Silksong is killing video games.
Why do people come on here and post screenshots of other sites? I am here to use 4chan, not Twitter.
who is Emett @KSteakay and why should I care
This is the endgame that "I want more expensive games, by people that work less..." fags want
Economiclets acting like there's no formula to price a digital product based on man hours and resources spent will never not amuse me.
>>719711678i want cheaper games made by people who work more and I want them released at the same cadence that they were in the 3rd/4th/5th gen. I don't give a fuck about the quality of life of developers, and based off the shit they post on social media they deserve 400x more suffering.
>>719711489PPR is ridiculously expensive, its a gag itself but harsh one.
>>719711489I love peripeteia it's a shame the devs are being faggots about it
>>719711489didnt the ppr dev complain that his far more expensive new game wasnt selling nearly as much as he wanted? I swear i saw something like that
Every single indie game that blew up in popularity was dirt cheap.
>>719711489Let's say you're some guy and you're in the mood for an indie game on Steam. You're willing to take a chance on something unknown.Which game are you more likely to buy>intriguing looking game that costs $20>intriguing looking game that costs $40?It's simple economics.Doubling the price of your game does not guarantee doubling your profit, because the loss in sales could be much higher than -50%. It could be as high as -90%.Games are not furniture, or food. You do not have to set your game at a certain price to make back the cost of raw materials. All the costs were expended before the game's release, on development. So your goal as a developer is to make your money back through overall sales, not making a high return on each individual sale. Therefore the only factor you need to consider is demand - what are gamers willing to pay for your game. You have to find the right balance between price and sales in order to make the most profit. The idea that games MUST have a certain price floor is ludicrous.
>>719711564/v/ is normalfag central
>>719712020this, I'd rather buy 10 $3 games than one $30 game, this is largely due to the fact that game fans have gotten more delusional/parasocial/obsessed with particular streamers pushing games than ever. Especially zoomers/alphas. Because of this you can no longer trust steam reviews, because a lot of people will buy a game for .1 hour, rate it positive because their streamer told them to, or political reasons, or because their personality revolves around the game, and then a game is very positive despite it being mediocre at best. I'm damn sure not paying $70 for a game ever.
>>719711564conversation starter
>>719711564Because it pisses off newfags like you
>>719712284>posting twitter is an oldfag thing?
>>719711489"indie" game devs complaining about game prices aren't real indie game devs. They are wannabie AAA Faggots who can't get funding.
>>719711489if hollow knight can profit at 20 dollars and you cannot, your problem is you not them
Is Fallen Aces good
OG Hollow Knight dropped at 15 dollars on launch and people didn't bitch then
*tries to ideologize people on social media instead of shipping*arghhh why is it so hard being an indie dev...
>>719712359Hollow knight would profit at $1 you dummy, it's one of the best selling games of all time.
>>719711489I get having issues with pricing as an indie dev, but publicly whinging about it just makes them look like jackasses
>>719712020>its allready 8 years from last Lasagna cat release.hes coming back next year.
>indies eating their own
>>719712284I thought your retarded thread from earlier got pruned?
>>719711489>peripeteia repostedI will now NOT buy your game
>>719711489Based.
>>719711489if you don't have AAA quality and budget, you don't charge AAA price. simple as
It's kinda funny seeing some indie devs fall into the same behavior as AAA devs. They wanted this to be $50 so they could also have high prices just like AAA wants GTA to be $100+ so they can have higher prices.
>>719711840This. the customer sees a product, they don't see the people behind it, nor should they care.Im not going to pay more for a car just because it was made by billy bob from down the street when its made from worse parts
>>719711489If your indie game can't turn a profit with a $20 price tag then you probably spent way, way too much developing it.
>>719711489>87 views and 2 likesPathetic
>>719712168Like, Mars Vice blows chunks but it's rated positively on steam by leftists because it pushes leftist politics, I don't know how they don't feel talked down by how unsubtle the game is with its writing, at least with Disco Elysium you can make the argument it's well written and nuanced
>>719712621who? jim davis?
>>719711841I got Cruelty Squad for less than 10 bucks and enjoyed it relative to its price but no way in hell I'm paying 40€ for PPR, it's a terrible example.
>>719711489Are we really pretending like Silksong isn't going to make those four devs rich as balls?
>HK was and it is still 15 dollars>no one bats an eye>raise their new game by only 5 dollars more from the previous entry>the world suddenly gone mad
>>719711564This.
I Think I hate all people. I think whats worse than all the narrativizers about the price, is the fact that so much attention is being directed towards the narrative. It does not matter what YOU think the value of something is. It doesnt matter what YOU "need" to believe you deserve are worth. It doesnt matter what ANYBODY thinks of any of this.This idea, that everybody deserves some share, that everybody deserves to make art and profit off of it.The idea, EVEN that Team Cherry really deserved this too. Its all fucking arbitrary, none of it matters. The simple fact is. Whether retards are paying $80 for Mario Kart and its on pace to outsell MK8 or whatever. (this is why I said Team Cherry even doesnt necessarily deserve all this, people will pay whatever amount of money for whatever product, in our society of abundance, where value is abstracted to signs, symbols, and brands. The only time Team Cherry arguably "deserved" their success is when they were living on scraps to push out Hollow Knight and still released one of the cheapest indie's ever for how much content and more importantly: quality, it offered Thats passion and dedication to an art that is meaningful even in a world divorced of abundance) Or whether people are paying $20 for Silksong.The value will simply be whatever people are willing to pay for it.All these narratives im seeing about "the $80 game will die!" or "Actually the $80 game wont die!" are stupid assumptions predicate on the idea, that the consumer and buyer is some sort of complicated thoughtful intelligent individual that sees the TRUE real PRESUPPOSED value through the veil of what something should be, that theyre making meticulous completely flawless calculations. That are stupid enough to be "game should be worth a dollar every hour it gives" Until its Gacha games fulfilling that exact principle, or fortnite.None of it matters. Consumers arent real persons.
Silksong is going to kill GTA 6
I am not surprised to see anti-communist game devs like peripeteia whining about game prices not being high enough.
>>719713078>anti-communist game devs
>>719711840>>719712851Thats actually disgusting. I hope ur mom gets shipped to china and forced into sweatshop labor all day and prostitutions all night
>>719711564It's just the meta since it gets guaranteed replies and the higher ups want the board to be shit.
>>719711489I'm still gonna pirate indieslop and AAA games. I need my money for snacks
>>719712020I agree with you but lets put it another way.>Two Indie dev wants to make a game. They both have the same budget.>Indie dev 1 decides to make a 40 hour game stuffed full of content, it costs them a bunch to make so they make it a $30 indie game.>Indie dev 2 decides to make a game of the same scope, but splits it in two, making one 20 hour game with an ending but a sequel hook. Sells the "other half" of the game as another 20 hour sequel. He sells both for $15.A medievil classic about putting all your eggs in one basket.
>>719713159They came from 8kan, I assume they are some form of lolbert
>>719712981>HK was and is 15 dollars>nobody bats an eye>Raise their new game 5 dollars>People scream bloody murder they aren't charging enoughif anything it's funnier than the expectation (people complaining it's more expensive)
>>719712475yeah that's what he saidit's a you problem
I member when 10 dingeree doos was fair price for marquee indies. SMB, Isaac, FTL, Bit Trip Runner all launched at $10, most others were less. Minecraft going up to $20 was a big deal. $20 in modern day is fine for a big release, probably about right. Anything above that like should be like UFO 50 with lots of content and different features.
>>719711564Better yet, why do faggot mods do nothing?
>>719711489>PeripeteiaRemoved it from my wishlist just because of this.
>>719711489Anything below $30 will be seen as slop, you can't make a game cheap and not immediately have it associated with garbage.
>>719713827You're right xister, games should cost $1000000.
why are americans so evil ?
>>719711489whats the game on the left? i cant read that
>>719711564FPBP>>719711612SPSBP
>>719712934the bat shit guy who made that video in your pick
>>719714123Nurse Nancy's, alien sex rooms.
>>719714123Psycho Patrol R
>>719711489Left>game I haven't heard of that's probably shitRight>two games I've been waiting on a full release of for a long time and will play day 1Everything else aside, the guy on the right is dumb.
40 bucks? 20 bucks? They all cost nothing over here!
>>719714123 That logo is 50% of the game's budget. Don't make fun of it again or his prices will go up $10
>>719711489>working on no/next to no budgetThen shouldn't any price point generate profit?
>>719711489>Old indies>Free or dirt cheap>Made from scratch or with broken software like Flash>Made for the love of video games>Didn't care about taking risks>Nu indies>Overpriced>Made using off the shelves engine that speed up development 1000 times>Made solely for making money and making worse versions of existing games>Refuse to take any risk like if they're being run by EA or Ubisoft>Actually no, EA and Ubisoft take more risks with their indies like Unravel and Child of Lightnu indies are somehow worse than EA and they keep crying about it, total indies death
>>719711978He was probably being ironic, he can't be that retarded.
>>719713240If I'm the first guy I'm selling my game for 15-20 euro and relying on word of mouth and the quality of the product to make my money. Basically exactly like what Hollow Knight did
Retard lefties are literally incapable of grasping the most basic concepts of economics.
>>719711678Personally I want 10 Concords and 5 Marathons every year
I dont care about any of these games in the picture. I only play the occasional AAA game and nothing else. All I played this year was KCD2, AC Shadows, Oblivion Remaster and Expedition 33 (and I just subbed to 1 month of game pass to play Oblivion and Expedition 33 so I didn’t even buy them)
>>719714702Peripeteia is made by eastern europeans who post on 8the silksong devs are likely much more left-leaning than they are by virtue of being cracker game devs (Which is the artsy fartsy type of programming that more engineering focused programmers seem to look down on)
PPR being pricey is unironically a fucking joke and I'm not kidding.
>>719713240The correct way is to split the budget, use half of it for advertising and price it at $25, "discounted" from $35.
Considering my favorite indie games are all distributed by the creator for free, I don't know why I should give a shit about the woes of some literalwho hack that thinks they're entitled to $40 for their derivative slop.
>>719713394The (((industry media))) is all in on begging GTA6 to come out at $900 + tip with an online subscription so they can do the same with their sweatshop slop games. Anyone doing anything even remotely consumer oriented is rocking their money boat.
>>719713197This but your mom instead
>>719713240The number of people that pivoted from a beloved Flash game to a for-profit vidya career shows how effective option 2 is. Getting the hooks in is half the battle.
>>719715146I've never bought a Rockstar of Dabid game, and I never will. I feel good about that.
base game minecraft is 28 dollars, but easily has more content than any triple a game on the market.terraria is half of silksong’s price, but ironically had more content than minecraft.hell, even people who bought shovel knight when it was 15 dollars got 3 and a half games for free.why is this a conversation?
>make game with significantly lower costs than the average historical $40 game ever had>charge $40 for itIf you aren't producing the equivalent of an AA psx/N64 game I'm not paying $40 for it
>>719715146but why would people pay gta prices for non gta games? I dont get this at all. I dont understand why everyone thinks if gta charges 100 bucks it will be ok for others to charge 100 bucks. because nobody will care about their game enough to pay 100 bucks. Only shit like gta and cod and sports games can get away with it.
>>719711489what's wrong with earning a basic wage? these fucks always yammer because they want to become filthy rich like their heroes, the wall street yuppies and tech bros.
>>719715346They want to strike it rich once and stop working for the rest of their lives
>>719711489Psycho Patrol R was fucking terrible, I bet half of everyone who bought it refunded it because it cost too much. It also hasn't been updated in six months.
>>719711489he should try making a good game instead of malding
>>719714998You mean a literal joke? Like the dev purposefully did it knowing it would tank sales? If yes, is he planning on changing to a normal price after EA?
They are fucking competitors. Why should the Silksong devs give a fuck if they ruin other devs?
>>719715597We're all in this together. Raise the price.
>>719714386cruelty squad is one of the best games of the decade, unlike hollow knight witch is just fine metroidvania.
>>719711564its /pol/ instigators. go look at the /pol/ catalog, 30% of it is twitter or reddit screenshots
>>719715395the commie dream
>>719714123cruelty squad 2
>>719715129I like your style, anon
>>719713238based fat fuck
>>719715554>is he planning on changing to a normal price after EA?Nah, he said it's fine if you pirate if you don't want to pay though
>>719715395>>719715698everyone else should have to keep working of course, someone needs to make their latte, it's just that they're too good to keep working. This is what aspiring streamers think also.
>>719712367please respond
>>719715698Who doesn't want financial security for the rest of his life?
>>719715317They think it’ll raise the tide of acceptance, it would be a win even if they can just get away with it on larger titles. It’s a symptom of a several issues in the industry, blind consumerism, detached execs, trend chasing, marketing hype cycles, expecting global pandemic numbers going into a global recession, etc.
>>719711489All these greedy cunts want socialism until it hits their wallets
>>719713827retard take, quality is apparent to a keen observer regardless of pricetag
>>719715892lellelelel, true. aoc is the socialist dream, she is who they all wish they could be, a commie-lite socialist doing various "busywork" in a grand-looking locale (D.C. Washington, real nice marble they got there, btw...)
Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game.
>>719716054true, but the socialists are just extra annoying. if they could juuuuuuust add "national" to that title as well, i'd like them a lot more..
This industry is fucked in the next decade when millennials and gen x stop caring about games due to getting older. As zoomers and Generation Alpha dont buy games at all really.
>>719715317The thinking, and you're free to disagree with this thinking, is that by coming out at $100 GTA6 will set a precedent that other publishers don't necessarily have to meet or exceed, but can allow them to increase their prices from $70 to $80-$85 and that people will accept that their games are about 80% as worth it as GTA6, so $80 is a fair market price. I don't think it'll work, they tried it with Doom TDA and that game way undersold its expected numbers, so much so that games like Borderlands 4 and Outer Wilds 2 reduced their prices from $80 back to $70. Silent Hill F is still sticking to $80 though and I think that will ruin its sales numbers. People will not pay that much for a standard video game and it'll take a couple of high profile failures for publishers to accept that.
Just wait a month nigga.
nah
>>719711564because it gives them (you)s
>>719712413It didn't gain it's cult status yet. This time it does. It was memed since the announcement of Silksong. It's the most wishlisted steam game. It has more prestige now compared to your average indie game.
>>719716282Thats the thing. This high prices shit can only work for a small amount of franchises. Like a new Mario or Zelda or GTA or Madden or Call of Duty can get away with it. But nobody is going to pay 80 or 90 bucks for random games that are not from a turbo popular franchise.
I loved my time with Psycho Patrol R and bought it on release but the dev is too mentally ill to give him anything more than 0$ until full release. Funnily enough, Cruelty Squad had an actually amazing Early Access run and did everything on time, but the dev just went from "IDK dude I just like Bataille i thought it's fine" to "fuck I AM a part of the capitalist machine I'M CONSCIOUS NOW" bullshit. Absolutely fucking awful example.
>>719712621shout out bald chris chan
Indie games used to cost like five or ten dollars.
>>719714574i dont know anon honestly. he does have some weird takes sometimes
>>719716587This. In the 360 gen indie games were 5 or 10 bucks
>>719711489oh yeah fallen aces. wasnt there a new update recently? gotta give that one a try. game is fun
>>719711489>sell game at $20>you have to only sell 50k copies to make a million dollars>people still complain and say it's not enough
>It's better to sell a 1000$ product to 1 person than a thousand 1$ products to 1000 peopletfw you are a porkie larping as a commie
>>719716587They frequently cost literally nothing.
>>719716807We just called those freeware back then.
>>719716715Modern indie devs want to be set for life after making a single project. Everyone wants a Binding of Isaac, Stardew Valley or FnaF success and then to never have to work again.
>>719716587Inflation, chud.
>>719716847Point being the outlook has changed significantly.It’s not a hobbyist endeavor anymore, which I think explains the general lack of passion. Particularly in regards to the devs bitching about pricing.
>>719711489lol
What is that indecipherable fucking scribble on the left? The 'R' is relatively clean, but the rest is atrocious. Maybe the bottom says "patrol" but I couldn't guess what the top says.
Why didn't Deltarune's release get this level of commotion?
>>719716872lel, imagine if they just went innawoods, instead. then they could all achieve their goal and thus win. if i could go innawoods in europe, i would. but there aren't really any forests or wildlife left in europe, you can't really just fuck off, like you can in america. america has states that are entire forests, forests larger than all of western europe. hell, it would probably not even take that much to become self-sufficient, you could sell what you shoot to the local gun shop and get your bullets that way and thus get infinite bullets whenever you needed them. man, that would have been the life, indeed.... just me and the pooch.. maybe i'll buy a plane ticket to america and fuck off in one of their forests one day in the future, who knows..
>>719717018>It’s not a hobbyist endeavor anymoreno shit, there's no such thing as a hobbyist anymore when the economy is this fucked, unless you're a trust fund babby of course and even that won't last forever
>>719712367>>719715975Yes.
>>719717031I initially thought it was Blood Patrol. When I google searched "steam blood patrol" I found the title was Psycho Patrol. Logo is less readable than a heavy metal band.
>>719717157>game devs>innawoodsYou think people who make a living playing on their computer are gonna survive without modern amenities and delivery apps?
>>719714574You do know there's a reason shampoo has instructions in it, right? Some people are just that retarded
>>719717103$25 is one step out from the usual golden zone of $15 to $20 for indies
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>>719717103That’s… a good question, actually.It’s the same>successful dev with more money than God goes on to make a passion projectsituation, but there wasn’t this kvetching from other devs.
>>719711489I hate devs so much. Reminds me of when BG3 launched and articles/tweets full of shithead devs complaining that Larian was launching a polished, feature complete game in 2023
>>719716587The good ones still do.
Why has this game got the games "journalists" in such a huff?
>Why does a product that require the work of 3 persons cost less than a product that require hundreds reee
>be indie >make farm sim #84322>3 people would buy it for $30 profiting $90>10 people would buy it for $15 profiting $150>sell it for $30 anyway because you have delusions of grandeur>blame everyone else over the money you lost by doing soMany such cases
>>719717496That was an obvious reverse psychology shill campaign. Same with Silksong being promoted as "too cheap" after hiking the price 33% for an iterative title.
>>719717615They didn't get review copies. Now Ranjeesh is going to have work 18 hours days to shit out a half-baked review of them not beating the game.
>>719717615Remember when BG3 came out and there was a fuckton of studios complaining that it’s not fair to expect them to deliver similar levels of quality because it just isn’t shut the fuck up?This is that for indies.
>>719717756oh yeah i forgot they didn't send out review codes
What are some indie must plays games that I can buy with a budget of 20$?
>>719717756honestly I think no review copies should be the norm going forward for high-profile games. Nobody gives a fuck about reviewers anyway so no reason to subsidize their industry while also risking more leaks and whatnot
>>719711840I remember when Capcom was releasing a new MegaMan battle network every year, and that was gen 6.
>>719717708this
>>719717103Because Undertale does not have broad appeal.It was a nostalgiafag game and more games from the same dev will only have interests from fans of the first game.HK is more universal in it's appeal. And doesn't look as outdated.
>>719717818>Remember when BG3 came out and there was a fuckton of studios complaining that it’s not fair to expect them to deliver similar levels of quality because it just isn’t shut the fuck up?i don't remember because when someone says something that is obviously, on the face of it, blatantly wrong and trying to garner extreme reactions, the proper response is to move on and not let it infest my mind. advertising and astroturfing is psychological warfare
>>719717871nuclear throne
Never played HK. Going to play Silksong.
>>719718009funny, I got that for free years ago
>>719717871If you want pure bang for your buck, probably something like Stardew Valley or Terraria.
>>719717871I’ve been hooked on Path of Achra lately and it cost me like ten bucks.It has a demo even.
>>719717927cont.a quick google gives me that Undertale sold 5M copies and HK sold 15M, so I guess I'm right if the AI isn't lying
Game devs literally cannot into basic production accounting. Every day is more overhead, every hour is more labour cost. And this is before administrative and marketing costs, licensing, etc. Customers of movies and films are more limited by time than by cost, so to make bank you need to be attractive to audiences. Everyone is competing in that market at the exact same cost, a ticket for MAHVEL BLOCKBUSTER costs as much as some artsy A24 film at the kinoplex. Because these morons have no sense they bloat their costs to the point where they have to scramble and argue that higher prices are the cure to their dogshit production management. Hey dipshit, maybe taking 5 years to make a low demand indie game isn't properly considering the time value of money.
>>719712757based gaymers and gaymedevs
>>719718154>Everyone is competing in that market at the exact same cost*at the exact same price
>>719718101If you want to go that direction, there's plenty of all-timer (true) Roguelikes that are literally free. Nethack, Angband, The old versions of DCSS, Demon, and forks thereof.
>>719711489>2 likes and 1 retweet
>>719718154what I dont get is that the best indie games of all time are all like 15$ or less, and even then theyre pretty much all 10$ with a gorillion sales. Clearly there is an advantage for selling cheap because every buyer is also a prospective free advertiser since so many indie games blow up through word of mouth.
>>719711489why can't people ever stop bitching and whining and complaining all day every day, they find something to be pissed aboutthey cry if a game is expensive, they cry if it's cheapthey just fucking cry and cry and cry and cry about fucking everything all the fucking timeit's all so tiresometwitter was the worst thing mankind has created so far this century
>>719718154It's not bloat, many modern indies have less content than full games made by teams of the same size or smaller 20 years ago. They think sitting on bluesky for 7 hours talking about politics and working on the game for one hour a day is an acceptable work day, and thus you get 7 year development cycles where you pay salary that entire time then whinge about how much indies cost to develop these days.
>>719711489What’s the issue? Indie devs should just price their game how they want. The games vary greatly in their size and level of detail $70 and subscriptions for any game is evil regardless
A game is only worth purchasing if it can offer a minimum thousand hours worth of game. Unless it has dailies and timegated stuff, then the game OWES you money for wasting your timePic related, last game I bought
>>719717103>>719717464I think it's just how sudden it is if anything. Toby Fox stated in an old newsletter after chapter 2 that the rest of the game would be paid, and even then he was about to charge for chapter 2 had it not been for covid lockdown. But Silksong shadowdropping so suddenly has given people so little time to react, so the same aggregate amount of blowback deltarune may have received in however many years of that monetization plan being out is being condensed into a span of just 2 weeks.What I don't understand is why we're all of a sudden treating indies by the same content per dollar metric that most people only really apply to $70 triple As. As long as it's $25-30 or below you don't really have to justify being as big as anything around your price point because people will still buy because it's still a relatively cheap game compared to something comparable a AAA studio could make, what with having a gorillion employees to payroll.
>>719711489they want a cartel to fix prices?
>>719718325More labour hours at low efficiency is bloated costs. Content bloat is not being discussed. With labour cuts and reduction of admin costs Call of Duty could release a new game on the same cadence at $20 and still be profitable. The high ticket price is a cope for dogshit project management skills.
>>719718285I’m well aware, that’s where I came from so to speak.It’s just incredibly surprising to see a game like that come out (relatively) recently.Angband fucking filtered me last time, maybe it’s time I gave it another go.
>>719718154"people" like modern indie devs make me wonder if corporate america is right about most people needing some red-faced fat asshole screaming at them all day to get anything accomplished
>>719718320I think complaining a lot has something to do with virtue signalling and sour grapes personally.It shows to you that you have high standards and thus should be sought after and catered to.
>>719717306Even looking at the logo in full screen, it's fucking dogshit. And them using quirk chungus spongecase makes it even worse.
>>719718636Everything in this post applies to AAA as well.
>>719711489Indie devs pretending that making video games is a job and demand that they be able to make a livable wage just for putting labor into a project despite it being something no one wants or needs is baffling to me. Especially with the constant bemoanings of large games being made for profit instead of passion across the entire community at large.
>>719711489They didn't dump the price though, Hollow Knight 1 was cheap too. They just never turned ultra greedy like the rest
>>719716282>Outer Wilds 2I fucking wish
>>719711489Is this supposed to be some subtle shilling for this "Fallen Aces" game? Literally never heard anyone mention it. Seems very organic (not)
>>719718701John Taffer: Game Rescue
>>719718760Look, if they would just be more selfish, then other indie devs could afford to be more selfish and charge a higher rate for their games. I can't believe Team Cherry are being so selfish...
>>719713002Most severe truthnuke itt
>>719718681I think it’s just what happens when people who don’t like or play video games sit around and talk about video games all day.
what is with this retarded mindset that if [anticipated game] is expensive it will let devs charge the same price and see the same success? Im still not buying 80$ AAA games so Im sure as shit not going to pay 100$ when GTA6 comes out and every AAA dev thinks that is an acceptable price.
>>719712475yeah? so simply make one of the best selling games of all time then and you're sorted.why should they have to price at a point that will be less beneficial to them, that they don't want to, so that you can justify pricing your worse game at twice that value?again that's a you problem, they've found a way to keep their business afloat and do well for themselves and the people complaining have not.
>>719719083100 million people will buy GTA 6 regardless of what you do.
>>719719154yes and? Every other AAA dev is salivating over GTA6 being 100$ because they think that will set a new market standard for some reason.
>>719719003honestly kind of gawdlike surprised it went under the radar so long
>>719719217It'll set a precedent, just like horse armor set a precedent.
>greedy companies need to lower prices!>NOOO NOT LIKE THAT
>>719718681most people are miserable and can't do anything about their situation and can get paid MONEY for bitching in a self-righteous way
i'm not paying $20 for an indie gameI'll pay $5 to $15 and not a penny more
>>719719217The humor of it being I can’t think of a AAA game in the last 5 years that actually hit profit expectations. Clearly the people behind the release of the games have no fucking clue what they’re talking about.
>>719711489Good thing I am buying it to kill video games faster then
>>719717871gf chocolatethen we can fuck forever
>GTAV2 costs $100i sleep>GTAV2 costs $50 and makes every other AAA publisher seethefunny bone
>im going to price the game however i like (lower end)>NOOO THINK ABOUT MEEEhow retarded can you be
>>719711489Indie devs wanted to collectively pull a Mario Kart World and are throwing temper tantrums because a prolific player in their scene dared to "break rank" and potentially set that plan back. Fuck them.You fucked up if your 10-hour Doom clone can't make money back at $20.
>>719712020I know some indies that price high because the audience is niche and they aren't going to attract purchases in bulk.
I'm glad Team Cherry got one last bit of bants inAustralian to the core, those blokes
>>719712621I have no reason to believe you, but I really hope so.John Barrymore's hour of (surprisingly coherent) ramblings are an actual masterpiece, I love that video. And the others.
>>719711564modern 4chan consists mostly of sub 80 iq brown ESLs who can barely from a coherent sentence so they rely on posts from other sites to make their point
>>719719724its never the guys who are making a genuinely interesting looking game that is somewhat unique. Its only ever the guys making the most shameless trend chasing clones that are bitching atm.
>>719719640>GTAV is F2P and banks on shark card autism to make their money back (which it probably would)imagine
>>719719640I honestly expect this to happen. Low initial price will lead to more online players who print them far more money than an extra few bucks on initial release.
>>719719925They'd make money hand over fist with microtransactions and no cost of entryI think the rest of the industry would actually implode if that happened (and that's a good thing)
>>719719640No no, you want GTAV2 to cost 100 so every AAA tries to copy them and massively flops
>>719711840>>719712851
>>719711489i want indie devs to lose everything and be a complete extinction in the industry
>>719717871Astlibra
>>719720127Keep the Jew jokes in /pol/ pls
>>719719925Quick napkin math implies that GTA V made ~$7b in lifetime sales, and apparently around another $10b from GTA Online shit.It's probably still in their interests to actually sell the game, but I'm surprised how close it is.
Obviously fake controversy designed to advertise the game. Shame on everyone involved.
>>719717608Looks neat, thanks anon.
>>719718796It's a game that people who actually play games have discussed here for years, so not you.
>>719711564Game devs use twitter. I don't know what you're expecting
>>719719082>>719719330A large part of it is just them trying to become "New Guys" or something. I am part of the movement of new guys who will take over the old guys and impliment total basedness and shit
>>719719336I've always wonder what Pic actually feels like
>>719711564FPBP>>719711489kill yourself just like you should have done last night
>>719715181BTFO
>>719716352NO NO NO I NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT IN TWITCH CHAT
>>719711489The best indie game this decade costs $25. Just make a good game.
>>719721271>just make a good gameNOOOOO THATS VIOLENCE AGAINST BIPOC LGBT DEVELOPERS. YOU DONT GET TO EXPECT ANYTHING.
>>719721271Not an indie
>labor theory of value production model in a supply and demand market
This debacle is weird to me.1. One of the big appeals of indies is the pricing. When "big players" get greedy and retarded with pricing and monetization of AAA games (pushing from 60 to 70 to 80 not counting microtransations and now according to rumours suits hope for GTA6 to be 100 to push it as a new normal) indies offer a lot more for pennies sacrificing production values such as graphics and professional VAs in return.But if indies willing to compete in price with AAs and two years old AAAs then what's the point?2. Pricing for digital goods is kinda confusing if you think about it. It makes sense on a AAA level since they're THE industry with lots of support studious, shreholders and other projects being released by the same publisher. So you're expected to follow certain "rules" set by the unspoken general agreement to not anger anyone and to not disturb the complex web of all involved parties.But when you're one man army dev for example what rules are you supposed to follow? How do you settle down on a price?
>>719721624then you go for hella indies which are still $20 or less
>>719711489>finds a literal who with 2 likes on twitter>posts it to 4chan>thirdies fall for it every timefuck you
>>719711489Maybe it is time to stop hiring your hipster dickwad san fran friends as devs that take 3 years to make 2 backgrounds for some gay ass lame pixelshit bing bing wahoo, and one man army a good game instead.Now it is easier than ever, if you are competent.
>>719721570>originally a freeware gameYeah it is
>GTAV2 trailer was all cgi>game looks exactly like GTAV>it cost rockstar $30m to make it>they earn $700m in pre-orders
>>719721763They sold out. You didn't post the original.
>>719711564Twitter and Reddit screenshots should be a bannable offence
>>719721875>They sold out.Oh, it's just a retarded schizo.
>>719721947Team Cherry can self publish just fine, why should I lower the bar for sellouts?
>>719711489>indie slop devs have to actually put in effort nowBased, I'm buying 20 copies of Silk Song.
>>719711489People won't even buy AAA games at full price these days, what makes this dude think people are going to drop 40+ on an indie game?
>>719711489>Dump the price>Fallen AcesMakes sense considering that boomer-shooter craze is winding down.
>>719722287yeah, I think people realized free doom WADs and quake mods still mog 80% of the boomer shooters coming out
AAA games are the only games worth the full price nowadays. Indie games over $20 are overpriced so I applaud silksong for knowing where they stand.
I for one am glad silksong is dabbing on other idnies by being a great game and also cheap
>>719711564>Why do people come on here and post screenshots of other sites? I am here to use 4chan, not Twitter.Fucking KILL YOURSELF op
>>719711489Damn, those poor indie devs... struggling to bring us such great games.
>>719715697>>muh /pol/ boogeymanGrow up, moulie.
>>719711489they raised the price thoughHollow Knight was 15
>>719711489who's this faggot so I can make sure I never play anything he makes
>>719712020ThisIf a game is worth$10 it will sell at $10 and wont sell at $20And if a games worth$100 then it would sell at $100The games worth whatever people are willing to pay for it, if you put the price too high and people dont buy it then the game simply isnt worth that much, inversely if a game is expensive and it sells well then it was worth that price
>>719711489I remember AAA companies unsuccessfully trying to do something similar when E33's price was set to 50USD.
>>719722448>15$ehhh, it's not exactly greedy for a re-clone but also the game doesn't look very exciting
>>719722643One faggot is troon supporting Peripetia dev the other one is >>719722448
>>719711489like we needed more proof that the peripeteia dev is a fag
>>719722448It looks okay. There hasn't been a shortage of PS1-styled horror games lately, you could do worse for $15.
>>719722448Not even an indie.
>>719715146Why would I but gta6 when rockstar have already said theyre implementing age verificationAka identity verification to play gta online.They want $100 and a recording of my face
>>719711564What sites do you think game devs use?
>>719712284Okay newfag.
>>719711489How about make games worth the cost of admission and stop feeling like you're just entitled to money because you made something.
>>719716282Remember when games were $60It was only like 5 years ago
>>719717103People have been drip fed deltarune for years while silksong was basically vaporware until last week. It's the impact that makes the difference.
>>719711489You should start killing yourself.
>>719717904Its probably smarter to give streamers a demo than it is to give reviewers a full copy.Hell even giving a streamer the full game to spoil will get you more sales than some ign like rag
>>71971202The issue is volume. If you sell 1000 copies, that is more than like 95% of indie games. If you are relying on game deving as a living, or at least as significant supplementary income, increasing the pricing when you know that either way the volume is going to be poor, is rational.
>>719718706Read about the labour theory of value from Marx.No im not endorsing Marx.But it will tell you alot about how these people think and why they feel entitled to a reward for an unwanted product.Because they believe that the value comes from the labour itself and not if that labour was worthwhile or did something people wanted doing.
>>719722448What's wrong, you don't like survival horror?
>>719719154Less people will buy it than gta5Gta5 had kids playing itGta6's online will have age verification cutting the playerbase in half
>>719718101I'm afraid of fucking around with Achra because I think it will catch my 'tism and I won't be able to escape.
>>719711564low effort conversation prompt, nothing to be confused about really
>>719720269>Jokes
>>719712841All of indie gaming is downstream of AAA.
>>719711489Silksong wouldn't be this existential threat to indies if other indies were making good games.
>>719711489If a single sequel to a popular indie game kills the industry, the industry deserves to die
>>719723646Indie devs think they should be able to release one game and retire permanently. Everyone else should keep working to keep the economy going, it's just that they shouldn't be expected to work ever again. Don't ask them to explain further.
>>719711489>Peripeteia out on early access
>>719713635>faggot modsAnswered your own question.
>>719712020Now where could my pipe be?
>>719711763Economic bros would argue supply and demand determines price more than anything.
>>719711489>game guaranteed to sell 10 bajillion copies>releasing at a good price with this in mind is actually a bad thing and ruins the entire industry!I refuse to get on twatter, why are they mad about a good product being released for a very reasonable price?
>>719711564fippy bippykill yourself OP
>>719724075hey everyone i feel like im tripping, like im on drugzzzzzzzz
>>719723646>from MarxIt's from Ricardo and Adam Smith. It's probably outdated anyway and only glowies obsess over it because they don't read.
>>719711489it's amazing to me to see just how rabid indie devs are. What ever happened to this whole "we're a community" shit show, feels like it's leopards dying of starvation
Why are indies so greedy? Here's my game, right now, for free: https://axelstems.itch.io/6-ways-to-7
>>719723469You cannot really calculate how big the volume will be since the indie market is so volatile. All the viral indie hits were usually cheap like Minecraft and Lethal Company.
>>719712413>OG Hollow Knight dropped at 15 dollars on launchI thought it was 30 at launch and after making back all the money used to make the game they dropped it to 15?
>>719717103Deltarune fully pushes alphabet agenda to kids. It's okay to ignore that one as they're all agree to that.
>>719724349Marx very much expanded on it in das capital and its his explination that they are working off.Ultimately Marx is a retard but if you want to understand retards and why they do what they do then its what you should read.
no one will buy your shitty game if it's dogshit, regardless of price
>Activision and Sony already pushed console prices to 70 bucks>Nintendo pushing game prices to 80 dollars >Rockstar wants to push towards 100 Amerishekels despite having no gameplay to showYou can tell all the asspain is because of this. Metroid Dread and The Nigger of Persia were both full price at launch, so they are terrified game prices will be pressured to go lower as people have less purchasing power.
>>719724636I remember buying it at 15 on the switch when that launched
>>719711564CONTENT ENGAGEMENT WOOOOO SOCIAL MEDIA FUCK YEAH
>>719724850qrd? I don't play tranny fox games
>>719724856He just used it because it was standard economics at the time. You obsess with it because your masters gave you a shitty handbook.
>>719711564Because you have to click into the thread to read the image. The words are too small as a thumbnail. You can replicate It by using a comic or meme as a thumbnail.
Silksong is such a popular release and it's quality is comparable to an AAA game despite being an indie game, so it makes anyone charging way more look bad. And indies would feel the pressure to actually put in an effort before they can charge more than 20 bucks for their games. But like E33 already established that.
>>719724950Before that you could get it from the Kickstarter for 10 dollary doos. The game has been cheap since day one.
it's the publishers of indie games telling the developers to bitch and moan on social media btw
>Team Cherry has announced that Hollow Knight: Silksong will cost $19.99. The price is $5 more than the original Hollow Knight cost back in 2017, an increase roughly in line with inflation.
>>719711564fpbp>>719711489livestream your suicide
>>719711489>Silksong is killing video games.
>>719711564>Twitter shotsYou should see /pol/, be glad this isn't /pol/
>>719725986Nah, I'll just keep telling people who post twitter/reddit/etc screencaps to fuck off.
>>719711489Insane how the entire Jewish system just squeal in agony at the idea that someone with a cherished product could just sell it at decent price and still come up on top. They set themselves to failure.
>>719711489Why aren't you killing yourself?
>>719711564FPBP
>>719722674not entirely correct. it's relative due to the framing effectif you put a game that you were willing to pay $10 for and a game that you were willing to pay $100 for side-by-side you would buy the $10 game most of the time
>>719711489I think Silksong is too much for a 2D game
>>719725467All the kickstarter backers are getting Silksong for free too since it was originally a stretch goal
>>719711489We need to bring the whole industry down. Shits fucked, there's only so much scaffolding we can erect to keep things standing before we have to tear the whole thing down and build it back up from scratch
>>719717103>More money than Silksong>Not a complete product eitherIt's an objectively worse deal, these faggots just put Toby on a pedestal.
>>719716587Back then indie games were comparable to free flash games.They were competing with free.
>>719711489It's honestly despicable the way some indie devs try to cultivate this community-clad indie game scene bullshit as a pretense for a heckin wholesome safe space when it's just a means for these cowards to peer pressure other devs they've literally never interacted with into not rocking the boat too much because they've got the biggest fucking chip on the shoulder known to mankind. Go back to coding your shitty game and deal with your social network obsession you bozos.
Official hourly count down thread: >>719712913This is the main Silkthread. The master weaver if you will. Source: me
>>719711564>>719712121>>719712284>>719712986>>719713635>>719715697
*sip*
>>719729486...what does this disprove?
>>719713635Why does /v/ constantly whine about mods doing nothing?90% of /v/'s existence is the userbase spamming, doxxing, and harassing site staff due to over moderation, but when mods leave, they get mad.
>>719729486Good, he should keep posting that.
>>719729486>twitternigger was so bootyblasted that he had to run to the archiveslol
>>719729572Both posts are made by OP as doubled up (You) bait.
>>719729572The holocaust
>>719729589>one tranny from another site doxxes the mods>That means the entirety of 4chan did it
>>719729486Why do people come on here and post screenshots of other sites? I am here to use 4chan, not Twitter.
>>719717608>still doNIGGA YOUR IMAGE LITERALLY SAYS 2014AHAHAHA UNC ASS NIGGA AHAHAHAHA
>>719729486He is right.
>>719729486Why do people come on here and post screenshots of other sites? I am here to use 4chan, not arch.b4k.dev.
>>719729673Why do people come on here and post screenshots of other sites? I am here to use 4chan, not Twitter.
>>719729643>>719729645>>719729719>>719729745>>719729789>implyingIt's OP. It's blatantly OP making that post.
>>719712367it's hard to say since it's in the newblood 10 bazillion year early access cyclebut what is available so far is good
>>719729829Why do people come on here and post screenshots of other sites? I am here to use 4chan, not Twitter.
>>719729709>>one tranny from another site doxxes the mods>>That means the entirety of 4chan did itNewfag doesn't remember that the hack wasn't the first time mods got doxxed.Anyways, most sharty posters have high crossover rates with /v/, so the point would still stand even if that was the case.
>>719729829>pointing out something means it must've been the OP on two devices ackshullyI was OP?
>>719716532that's what happens to with almost all devs that are more artist then dev
>>719711489peripeteia removed from wishlist
>>719711489Fucking giga based indie devs keeping other devs with smaller market access downBtw yes I refund indie games
>>719729949>on two devicesNever said that.It's just very clear OP was disappointed by the engagement his thread got after two minutes and made that post to get a wave of people saying "Lol BASED" or whatever.
>>719721624it's just people deservemaxxing because they know this game will be successful no matter what price it is, and such an inevitably successful game having a low price will make other indies look bad by comparisontheir argument is that they want 'fair compensation for their labor.' problem with that is that video games a luxury. nobody asked them to flood steam with endless slop. the market is completely oversaturated and the cream rises to the top, cry about it.
>>719730040>Btw yes I refund indie gamesdont forget to copy the files first
>>719729486Why do people come on here and post screenshots of other posts? I am here to use /v/, not /s4s/.
>>719730075Why do people come on here and post screenshots of other sites? I am here to use 4chan, not Twitter.
>>719729829>>719730075holy schizo
>>719730075But I am not OP. I made that post. That post belongs to me and nobody else. There are many like it, but that post is mine.
>>719730075Actually I'm OP and I made every post in this thread except for yours.
>>719711489People really don't get that an affordable price tag for an appealing product means a fuckton more sales, do they?
>>719711564At this point I genuinely think these X grifter niggers make the threads here to funnel anons to their accounts for more engagement money.And remember, mods support this https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/719684952
>>719730075Louise sexo
>>719730518>https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/719684952That thread was so fucking retarded, that it still hurts to think about.
>>719711564We treat each other so bad people dont want to make thread or posts only the worst among us do
>>719711489This is just people being bitter their shit doesn't sell but I'll be fair and say that sometimes the most random shit will sell.
>>719730508They do, and that's why they're angry. Their thought process is "the Silksong devs have a moral obligation to make their game more expensive so MINE sells better."
>>719712003The Binding of Isaac with all DLCs costs $50, but is definitely not a typical example (especially since the DLCs were added after the game became extremely popular).
>>719730508their whole point of contention is that silksong is a very appealing product that makes theirs look worse
>>719730597It's fucking retarded it lasted that long. Ten years ago it would've been nuked in minutes.
>>719730518>OP gets so angry at being told to fuck off he start spamming pony scat pornwhat a thread
>>719729719You are here because you value the discussion around the topic. The twitter screencap 9/10 showcases either:>The starting context>A short form of an article that isnt the OP faggot copy and pasting or them posting the link forcing you onto anorther site (which by your own complaint is no longer 4chan)>some faggot like whats shown in OP's pic so you can laugh at them along with other anons and shitpost/post bait as context.Its annoying when its some irrelevant crap but its basically condensed information that doesnt force you to go to another site like what a news article thread would be (that doesnt trigger you fags).TLDR: >>719712240 is true and the complaining about it with the reasoning provided only proves >>719712121 as people trying too hard to fit in.
>>719724167>supplyand what are the supply constraints of a digital media product?
>>719730958he went from trying to convince people that people telling him to fuck off were reddit trannies to slowly revealing himself as a shartynigger. no idea what the point of that was
>>719730518>mods support thisThey just don't care If you over moderate /v/, you just get another gamergate, sharty, or whatever situation where people deliberately spam and shit the place up to waste moderation time, so they don't bother with this board./v/ is moderated only for the following>illegal content>porn/gore>blatant off topic a janny/mod happens to see (meaning, a thread that is just about shit like Shotcaller without making an attempt to insert video games)>whatever a janny/mod sees in a thread they were already lurkingThat's it. I don't get why people desperately want this idea that mods give a shit or care about /v/, or even want them to. /v/'s current state has been incompatible with moderation for almost a decade, there is no going back and the only people who care at this point are blatant newfags.
>>719730982>You are here because you value the discussion around the topicNo, actually. I'm here to tell OP to kill himself.
>>719711678And we will have that but instead of devs it will be AI.
>>719711489>Indie devs "have to basically give their game away"So you're saying they do it for free?
>>719730982>it's all to laugh and discuss retards without getting banned, man!>...are you saying i should be able to form my own proper discussions without using screenshots from sites i totally don't stalk? ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE?I don't give a fuck about whatever reasoning you give me, please die.
>>719718636>most people needing some red-faced fat asshole screaming at them all day to get anything accomplishedAs a business owner, I discovered this is 100% true. You can lead with charisma and by example as much as you want, with positive reinforcement up the wahzoo, but at the end of the day 99% of people do a job just to get by and they will take any amount of leeway as an excuse to not work and steal money from you. Turns out our ancestors knew exactly what they were doing. Who would have thought?
>>719711489what is this fag whining about? people regularly buy actual scam games for 80 bucks.
>>719731020He desperately wanted to come out of the situation feeling like he won.
>muh twitter screencapsThis thread type predates most of you by several years.
>>719731296Kill yourself, OP. Livestream it.
>>719731296>duuuuuuuuude this cancer started years ago, that means it should be okay nowCan somebody teach you to slit your wrists?
>>719731296Back when 4chan had soul
>>719731346If you didn't do anything to stop it then why do you care now
>>719731346The "cancer" has been around so long that it has become "culture", and if twitter screencap threads died today, you'd immediately move onto whining about other things that have since become culture, such as>Smash threads (older than several people posting here)>thinly veiled /tv/ / /a/ / /pol/ threads (older than several people posting here)>reddit screencap threads (same age as twitter screencap threads)>steam forum threads >regular forum threadsAnd so on and so on and so on.How about the porn threads? The webm threads? The filename threads?By the time you remove all the "cancers", you'd be left with an empty board because nobody posts here to talk about video games. You're some magnificent retarded newfag who showed up here 15 years late to solve a problem that has no solution, because the cancer won, dumbass. Everyone who cared that it was a cancer fucking left.
>>719730614>4 trillionth job simulator and 2 millionth drug deal simulator game drops>just sells a quintillion copies for no reasoni legitimately don't get it. i don't understand how something ultra derivative just succeeds 10 million times better than the last 500 games it's completely identical to.
>>719731584You gonna spam pony scat porn again, faggot?
>>719731132You clicked on the thread. If OP made a thread with the Silksong image talking about the price youd get some fag asking for proof which results in some twitter link being posted or a news article. The thread then also gets mistaken as a general thread for the game which is not OP's intention. The thread's context is discussing the wider sad state of the gaming industry's devs being full of malding faggots, showing one making a retarded take is the best contextual image you can provide and most of them reside on twitter. the thread's entire point is to discuss those people and their takes which are posted on twitter. If it was a post about /v/'s population Id expect a /v/ screenshot. People are here to discuss WITH /v/ on the topic (the ban evasion shit is irrelevant) as how /v/'s demographics react will foster different discussion and not all of it will be shitposts or retarded faggots like yourself. You are literally moaning about the correct image context being used as you are a subhuman retard who sees a certain UI and begins seething without even considering if its a valid image.
>>719711489Schedule 1 on steam is 20 fucking dollarsSilksong could easily be an 80 dollar nintendo gameFuck expensive games in general, if you look at PPR and Cruelty Squad you realize that you make less profit because you have less sell volume.There are around 20k reviews on CS so with a ratio of 20 copies per review (this ration actually varies wildly but in my experience it's a good estimate), then at 20 dollars that an upper limit of 8 million dollars, it'll be less due to sales, bundles, refunds, etc. Bro can fucking retire. roughly 2.8 million pure liquid. There is a minor argument to be made about time distribution, but ultimately most sales happen around release and then spike during discounts.Now for PPR it's 1.6k reviews at 40 dollars, twice the price, resulting in an upper limit of 1.280M but being very generous we'll same the volume will double before it hits a near average of less than 1 sales per month. So even being super generous long term about 2.5M gross. So even though he doubled his price be profitted less than half of his previous success, and of course it was never a guarantee and frankly I would call this a success either way. Perhaps his philosophy was that he wasn't sure if he'd get bundled and be hit as much sell volume so he wanted to multiply his guaranteed energy. But that doubling in price could have just as easily hindered even more success at a philosophical level. We can't actually be certain.nonetheless he basically made around 112k per year, which is pretty fucking good. Especially considering... you know... bro wasn't exactly Clair Obscur.So basically bro is retired but still making an income. I wouldn't call that being unsuccessful.>TL;DRDoubling your price correlates with less success.
>>719731584>>719731698you talk a lot for somebody who's supposed to be killing himself
>>719731760Stop bullying me you fucking tranny
>>719731698NTA but I clicked on the thread to tell OP to kill himself.
>>719711489But hollow knight is 15 dollars.Silksong is more expensive.This twitter rage bait is thus null and void... but it seems I'm too late
>>719711564They're game devs
>>719731760
>>719730614I'm a PhD student in economics and this broke me
>>719712621>hes coming back next year.
>>719732114wow you can use inspect element good job now kill yourself OP
>>719711564how new are you nigga?
>>719732114That inspect element comes in clutch.
>>719732186kill yourself OP
>>719732174>newfags constantly whine about samefagging>newfags also fail to recognize how antiquated inspect element (and the inevitable paint/photoshop) are for faking screenshots
>>719732290I'll be sure to think about that after you kill yourself
>>719719904can confirm this. most of my educated, big dick, white friends from america are on reddit. you should go there too.
AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA
>>719712621the FUCK
>>719732360You'll probably kill yourself when you realize "Saving /v/" is a Sisyphean effort with no reward and the only progress anyone has ever made on it has been backwards progress, resulting in the board getting worse.As a reminder, the "enshittification" of /pol/, as well as /v/'s obsession with identity politics/culture wars, were a result of attempts to save /v/ specifically./qa/'s transformation into the sharty is also pretty firmly tied to attempts to save /v/- after all, why do you think those who would become chronic shitposters had gathered on a board that was effectively for complaining about the state of the site? Most sharty activities were tied to some delusion rooted in improving the site, and their "trolling tactics" for /v/ specifically hold a lot of bitterness over the "quality" of the board.
>>719732679tl;drkill yourself
>>719711489Any reason all your threads have to start with screencaps of twitter and reddit?
>>719719282That was still a gimmicky new thing, as garbage as it was. Raising price isn't a feature.
>>719715346>what's wrong with earning a basic wage?Fucking retarded boomer
>>71973259629 retards that'll cry about not making money
>>719711489too many games exist, saturation, lost value
>>719733147except team cherry and cruelty squad dev are gmi success story veterans
>>719732715tl;dr there is no "saving" /v/, you're a newfag.
Alternative timeline 4chan:>Make thread with the comment "Indies are mad Silksong doesn't cost more", OP image is just a promo pic of silksong>Get thousands of fags asking for SOURCE SOURCE SOURCE???????????Lesson, ignore and filter the serial complainers.
>>719731609Streamers had a part in it but I'm not sure which came first, the rising popularity to get them to try it or vice versa
>>719732174>>719732234I could accuse you two fags of being the same person just as easily. The fact you cant tell the difference in writing style between me and the other anon means you are fucking retarded.
>>719732596
im not the only one who played fallen aces?
heartworm was pretty lame and should cost less.
>>719729829>>719729486Why do people come on here and post screenshots of other sites? I am here to use 4chan, not Twitter.
>>719711489Wait hold on why didn't these people shit themselves when deltarune came out for a similar price with half the game being FREE
>>719711840Hey there king
>>719711840I want all that but the games to be worse because gamers deserve worse.
Can we fucking ban twitter threads already? jesus christ
>>719734559newfag
>>719711489
>>719711489Indie games should be $15 max. AAA should be $30 max. Would fix everything, honestly.
I love it when Indies fight, because they always act like its them against the big guys but its actually just a parasitic relation of small guys feasting off of slightly bigger guys. Your game isn't like Silksong, its a worse Silksong
>>719716181what about a Switch game?
>>719711489I believe that they should've sold it for $25 or $30 instead of $20. I am also glad that they kept the price point low to keep it accessible to the widest possible audience in these trying economic times.>but bro, this game is totally worth $60+!!Which will push more players towards watching it on youtube instead of actually playing the game.
nobody is forcing you to be an indie dev,you chose to do it.i won't pay more for your game if i dont think its worth it.fuck off and get a normal job if you dont like that.
>>719735729>being a game dev is now "not a normal job" jesus you people really want everyone to either work in a plant work on a construction site or flip burgers and everything else is " not a real job" in your eyes
There's tons of $20 games, why the meltdown over this one?
>>719735867because they couldnt think of another reason to be mad about it
>>719714209>$40 early access indie gameholy fuck
>>719735867Its a 40$ game selling for 20 because the devs aren't permanently anxious and deluded because they know they got a good game to sell. The inverse is true for most other games
>>719735820no you are just a faggot if you cry about silksong damaging other indie games.just make a good game and if its worth the price people will buy it.nobody is forcing you to be a game dev, if you dont like that risk just get a normal job.
Threads like this remind me how abysmally poor the average person is.Just like when I sell some old shit on Facebook and they desperately try to haggle $5 off the price.
>>719736079game dev is a normal job stop saying its not a real job that's the only thing im arguing here i think the silksong price is fine
>>719736194I SAID INDIE YOU ABSOLUTE FUCKING RETARD, LEARN TO READ BEFORE REPLYING YOU FUCKING MONG.
>>719736078How is it a $40 game?
>>7197115644chan is an fbi honeypot, and for some reason they need to to interact with "social media"
>People are actually demanding Silksong raise it's launch priceThis has to be a fucking psyop. There'sno way there are people serious about this.
>>719736194>self producing and publishing your own works is completely normal and bog standardI don't think it's "not a REAL job" or anything but it's certainly not exactly the same as a typical 9-5 where you exchange your labor at someone else's. That's the point the other anon was making, simply saying "But I worked" isn't enough to secure money like it is in a normal job. Congrats, you worked on a product, now sell the product, and depending on your skill doing that, is how you get paid.
>>719736194Running your own business with one man doing all the work is somewhat abnormal. If you want the steady pay from a normal job, go down that route. If you want all the potential reward of going indie, your going to have to take on the financial risk that comes with it.
>>719736526Indiesloppers who are incapable of releasing a finished game aren't people
>>719711489kek the nerve of that fucking kikestop hiring 9000 HR bitches and useless diversity niggers instead, faggots
>>719736803>>719736359>>719736706gamedevisarealjobperiod
>>719729486Jesus christ I'm the only fucking human in this site
>>719737009nigger no one said it wasn'twhat fucking imaginary conversation are you having in your head?
>>719737160the one where you neck yourself for casting Sophie turner as lara croft
Weird that no one batted an eye at UFO 50, a collection of 50 games (small ones sure but that's still a lot of content), was as cheap as it was
>>719737047hey anon, I'm at least half a person (I'm a ginger)
>>719737212legitimately divorced from realitywhat is the point of coming on here and replying to people if you aren't going to actually read what they say, and instead imagine what they said, then get pissy about it?If there was any justice in this world you would have been aborted so no one would have to deal with your ineptitude.
>>719737430why did you fucking invite aliens to this planet you fucking lunatic? you gonna kill patrick next?
>>719736367Based on the attention to detail and overall completion of the product, I'd categorize it as 40$. Just like the original was 30. It was very polished. Sound, controls, aesthetic, rewards for completion etc etc. a very complete game, following one vision. They wisely sold it for less to get traction. This proves they had confidence in their work.
>>719711489I've never seen this kind of outrage over someone making a game "too cheap" at $20, even that doesnt seem that cheap to me compared to many $5 or even $1-2 games especially when they go on sale. This is a coordinated smear campaign against the Hollow Knight devs by other envious people in the game industry, likely big companies like Ubisoft/EA etc. Remember, they think people buying indie games is a bad thing. https://www.gamedeveloper.com/business/-deprofessionalization-is-bad-for-video-gamesThis entire article for example is seething over the "depersonalization" of video games, and was written by a literal Fortune 500 shill. What does that even mean? Well when you remove the language, he's talking about how it's bad that indie devs can dominate the market with small budgets and small teams, while big companies are struggling to get their feet off the ground and losing money left and right. He doesnt even attempt to address why this is happening. But point is, there's a big section of the industry that is INVESTOR BACKED that do not want indie games eating their part of the pie.
>>719711489>teams a fraction of the size of AAA devs with a fraction of the marketing budget somehow need to price themselves at 50-70% of the cost of AAA titles to be profitableMake it make sense.
>>719711564FPBP>>719711489Die OP
>>719717103Deltatrune is a transexual game that only appeals to trannies and other degenerates.Silksong is a transexual game with a much wider appela, including trannies, degenerates, but also depresed teens, souls-likes fans, and autistic speed runners.
>>719711489Why is Fallen Aces pictured. That slop wasn't worth more than $15 anyways. It's 2025, by now everyone should realize that making a retro inspired shooter is pretty easy, especially since all modern devs are lazy and don't include any form of deathmatch or co-op. This is especially true for Fallen Aces, since the only thing that really sets it apart is the art, not the gameplay.
>>719737595nta but you honestly sound delusional. It's a 2D metroidvania without extravagant production values. $20 is the price it should be, maybe even $15. YOU might feel it's worth more because of how you feel about it, but that doesn't mean it actually is worth more.
I don't believe real people are actually upset about the price of silksong, maybe some single retard who thinks his metroidvania card battler with rouge like elements is worth $60, but not an actual group of real human beings.
>>719715674>cruelty squad is one of the best games of the decade
I think these devs need to spend less time on social media and more time working on making a good game
>>719711489Anyone pissed about the price is a kike
>>719732596>1# on wishlistI wonder what is the exact number of people who wishlisted the game
>>719711564Moderation doesn't do its job, and despite having a reputation in the gutter such that they cannot even get ad revenue or buy new servers, 4chan still keeps /pol/ alive.
>>719711564Didn't you see what happened in April? Fucking half the website went to twitter/reddit instead of altchans.
>>719737687You don't understand how bankers think. It's the same thing when they tell you it's impossible for your mcdonalds combo not to be 12 dollars. Line must always go up, profits must always increase. It's not enough to make a lot of money. You have to make ALL POSSIBLE MONEY. Even a single cent left on the table is a crime worse than child rape to bankers. If anyone doesn't play ball and force the line up they are basically perpetuating the holocaust all over again. Wouldn't surprise me if some women come out of the woodwork in the next few years making accusations about the team cherry devs. The bankers are not going to sit idly back and take this on the chin.
Wherein we find out that 90% of indie devs are completely retarded.
>>719738026you underestimate just how big a faggot a indie game dev can be.
>>719711489Haha based
>>719711489I wish capitalism wasn't a 4-letter word in gamer circles.shit like this is just embarrassing. Marvel fans have a better grasp of the nature of their industry than we do ffs.
>>719711489>Silksong is killing video gamesGood.
>>719711962I love Peripeteia, it's an honest gem but there is so much separation from the artist that I can withstand. They'll become the Wachowskis of game dev in no time.
I’m gonna have a $6 game and join HK in killing indies.
>>719711489Bros twitter is down what do we do???
>>719712841bnu
>>719719785Conquest of Elysium series comes to mind
>you need to be a greedy piece of shit like me or else you make the rest of us look bad !!!!!
>>719711564The mental archetype of these people is that they want all their "friends" on 4chan and the way we discuss things to talk about the hot new topic. Also then they screencap a random mid as fuck take to their jeet 4chan screencap account to make $50 from the twitter engagement
why do trannies keep advocating for games to be more expensive all the time? oh yes, I love the taste of corporate boot! This is why worthless AAAslop is worth 80 fucking dollars, because these shills have normalized this garbage.
Wait, indie devs are getting mad over the pricing of Silksong? That's like indie animators getting mad over Glitch for their productions being free on youtube and being supplemented by merch sales...oh wait.
>>719711489SAAAARRRRR DO NOT REDEEEM SILK SONG IT COST TOO MUCH SARRR
>>719744226Even they only manage because they built up a preexisting fanbase over decades, they've been at it since '97. They can charge that much because they know that small group will buy anyway.
>>719746578It costs to LITTLE is the complaint. At least shitpost right.
>>719711564fpbp
>>719746578Find yourself a new meme
Frankly. $20 is pushing it for an indie sidescroller.I'm accustomed to paying like 5.
Why wouldn't the game be profitable at $20? Why make up random narratives about devs who clearly actually like video games sabotaging video games because they're actually evil grifters from outer space?
>raise price of slop to "profit">sell less copies because no one wants to pay that for what you offer>end up with less moneyTry making a good game first, sweaty.
>>719717871Elin. You can get your pet little girl drunk and die having sex with her.
The indie devs upset silksong can sell at $20 and make bank are the same as lazy resturant servers that seethe when their hardworking coworker get good tips.Its not the effort or quality of their own work that is the problem, no no no. The issue is that there is a superior product that is simultaneously undercutting them and stealing their thunder. It always someone elses fault. They could not of possibly made a better game, or marketed better, or whatever. There is nothing they could have done differently, its other people's fault.
>indiefags want more money for their lazy clone games and
>>719747370No one is allowed to just make games because they want to anymore. You might hurt some kike's bottom line, and that's """bad""".
>>719711489my motto is thisi'm not as willing to gamble paying a lot for videogamesbut as soon as an indie dev proved to me they made a game I really enjoy, I will pay their next game full price out of respectnot a perfect approach but that's what I do, have some loyalty and give them cart blanche to experiment a biti haven't bought a triple A in years outside doom 5ternal and quake championsvideogames are just weird value propositions in general, I find it really to gauge what a game deservesi've bought many absurdly cheap games i still found were overpriced, i've payed games that turned free to play later for 30 buckaroos that i put in a 1000+ of hoursin general if a game feels rather complete and well made but is made by a small studio 20 dollars is the sort of middle of the road, a dev I trust can ask 25 and depending on the scale maybe even thirty but that is often pushing itif i heard great things about your game, it looks attractive and am willing to try it 15 is arguably still an impulse buyweirder smaller projects below 1070 buckaroos for modern new games is something I can not in good conscience pay for games now unless it's like an actually featurecomplete quake or unreal game with mods
>>719717871pseudoregaliazortchalisa
>>719720126That's dogeza, an apology, not kneeling, a display of respect
>>719748201Pseudoregalia is bad if you're not a furry to get aroused by the protag's ass.Empty wonky bunch of random pieces of geometry with some low res texture doesn't make for good level design.
>>719749894i like how open ended it felt and gave you lots of ways to progress with different abilitiestrying to map out the place and figure out where i could progress while experimenting, then figuring out a much easier or more straightforward way later was fun because it made you feel vindicated for doing things "the hard way"instead of frustration it gave you a weird sense of pridebut i'm the type of guy who compulsively looks for secrets and tries to get on top of props or out of bounds in basically every gamei played kornkidz 64, blue fire and demon turf around that time and Pseudo was definately my favourite
>>719712240A TWISTED CONVERSATION STARTER
>silksong costs 20 dollarsthis is fine>Retarded gamer goes 'indie game you are stupid for pricing your game higher because silksong exists'this is stupid>gamer going 'aaa game, you are worse than a 20 dollar indie game but you cost 80 dollars, i will not buy you' this is good but its not whats happening, sadly
>>719711564Fuck it I’m bored, here’s your (You), whatever happens on Twitter stays on Twitter OP could’ve just posted the meme itself but would this thread have did numbers without the screenshot complaining?
>>719711564
>>719717103as popular as deltarune is, it is locked to its own internet space that's heavily social media related. silksong is a much more approachable game for normalfags who just wanna buy something popular and try it out without thinking much further.but also the fact it was 7 years of next to no news past "we're still working on it" and then being essentially shadow dropped all of the sudden.i mean, silksong is the only game outside of smash to get non-announcements at TGA. imagine being so big the new e3 has to go "no guys, there will be no news about this game" because they know how loud people will cry if there aren't any.we're seeing a titan release
>>719725641it's also in line with "silksong is about 30% bigger than hollow knight" and 20 is roughly 30% bigger than 15
>$25 and no one says a thing>$20 and everyone runs for the hillsWhy? I don’t see the problem in fitting in 1 copy of Vampire Survivors on top of your copy of Silksong.
silkDEAD
>>719717103The real issue is how Silksong was borderline shadowdropped after years of fucking nothing. A similar song and dance happened back in April with the Oblivion remaster.
>>719724172Greedy faggots aren't limited to AAA publishers and "line must go up" investors. All Silksong did was expose them just as Valve/Bethesda pushing paid mods did with certain modders.
>>719711489I don't know any of these kusoge, the devs have bigger problems than pricing.
