I think we should change the genre's name to Hollowvania.
>>719719971>vaniacastlevania is dogshit tho. blasphemous or ori are much better. it should be called hollowmous or hollori
Every single Metroid and Castlevania game is 5-8 hours designed to be finished in one sitting and replayed infinitely. Hollow Knight shouldn't even be considered part of this genre.
>>719720145>Ori shit
>>719719971I've been already calling it hollowvania for 3 years.But bloodstained is such a fucking turd i think it should just be hollowlike at this point.
>>719720145>It's an Orifag hating on hollow knight episode
>>719719971Hollow Knight is the most astroturfed game ever.
>>719719971this explains the seething this game gets it's all the tendies
>>719719971Wow, just… wowMetroid really fell off
>>719719971Nah "Silktroid"
>short and sweet game that doesn't waste your timevs>hideously bloated backtracking fest designed to waste your time
>>719721608>post isn't putting down hollow knight in any way>hurr must be an orifag hating hollow knight
>>719719971not fair, metroid has the nintendo surcharge
>>719719971agreed>hallowvaniatedious slow, sometimes souls-like combat with map exploration and minor platforming>metroid-likeplatforming and map exploration with quick, easy combatthis would classify games way better than "metroidvania"
>>719719971I agree.
>>719720145>orifag
No
>>719722697Nah pure grassroots
>>719719971This sudden obsession with prices pretending they should be tied to how good a game is instead of production value feels so fucking artificial.
Metroid Dread is a much better game.
>>719719971>Critic ratingsPlease die
>>719719971Good to me, i dont want metroid to be labeled with the same sort of "people" as hollow kniggers and other trannies
>>719719971Metroid Dread is at the very least 4x better than Hollow Knight.
>>719719971and I think you should just cancel your internet and kys.
>>719722697that would be Undertumblrthe game that was literally pushed by Homestuck fandom
>>719730029Metroidfags are mostly trannies though
>>719723098>it's muh tendies>completely ignoring the fact the game topped the eshop ranking multiple times, even outside of sales, since day 1 retard
>>719719971There is not a single castlevania game that isn't better than Hollow Knight.The classics, the igas, the 3Ds, the weird spinoffs, the crappy mobiles, even the trashy mercury steam games are all better than Hollow Knight.Never compare the two series in such ways you dumb Indian nigger.
>>719731852pc vegans never research or fact check any low effort shitposts they make. they just rely on the rest of their cult to support their baseless claims so they can appear correct at a quick glance
>>719732065That’s nice but you’re completely wrong :)
>>719731852A friend of mine bought Astro Bears Party. I thought it was alright, basically just a Mario Party minigame. For being complete shovelware I can see why it's one of the most bought games.
>>719719971Hollow Knight is a slog, no metroidvania should last 30 fucking hours.
>>7197202435-8 hours sittings are not healthy.
>>719719971I have always thought tendies coopted the vanialike genre to include their shit.
>>719719971I’m partial to Guacamous
>>719719971why are hollow knight fans so insecure?
>>719719971more like Hollowmid
nintendo's loss. i wouldn't hesitate to buy dread for even $25.but it seems ill never experience it(legally).and im buying silksong day 1 with no intentions of playing it for months (huge backlog)
>>719719971HK's flaw is that it gets grating after the 15 hour mark. Dread is near perfect from start to finish with the only flaw being the last two EMMI's overstay their welcome.Nine Sols mogs both though.
>>719733624I felt Dread was already slightly on the long side desu
>>719733071Soulful
>>719719971I can kinda tell this peaks to average because of the slow movement+le dark souls w/ walksim areas. It does the "indie walk". A character walks dramatically with some cheap effects that look good on the trailer, quick gameplay is sacrificed to have the trailer look good as a result, it's too bad since it does a few things right but it can never be a great game.
>>719719971quality vs quantity
I wonder what this board will look like and hour from release
>>71971997120+ hours for a metroidvania is fucking horrendous and completely misses the point of why both Metroid and post-SOTN CV were designed the way they are. You're supposed to beat and replay them over and over to try and beat the game faster than your last run, that's why the endings where Samus takes off more of her suit is tied to completion time, not item collection or map coverage and why sequence breaking is such a big deal in them.
>>719739804Chernobyl post nuclear fision.
>>719728856I'd say they are about equal
>redditknight
>>719719971both have shit music and good boss fights dread has bird darth vader though so it wins for me
>Hollow Knight>shit music(You)
>>719746885>midi piano playing generic melancholy musicyeah, it was pretty fucking shit
>>719720145>Ori
I'm cool with it
>>719719971I think you`ll never be a woman.
I literally refuse to play thias shit because of all the shilling. ill go play afterimage or tevi again instead. maybe some bloodstained or ori.But you faggot have streared me clear of hallowanus forever
>>719739804Insufferable
>>719751131What shilling? Games out tommorow.
>>719739804Legendary. Darling in the Franxx tier
>>719719971Thats fucking gay though
>>719719971I just call it action-adventure.
>>719723098It's always been tendies, and everyone who was around when Dread launched knew that. Eventually they basically just gave up and started sucking HK's dick at some point and now they act like it's theirs because they know it mogs anything Nintendo can make at this point.
>>719731852The average person who has a switch is not a tendie. Tendies are fanboy manchildren who deepthroat everything nintendo does while sharting up the walls defending nintendo from every little thing, usually by attacking or deflecting to everything else.
>>719757613>Tendies are fanboy manchildren who deepthroat everything nintendo does while sharting up the walls defending nintendo from every little thing, usually by attacking or deflecting to everything else.exactly like hollow knight fanboysit’s like they take any criticism of the game as an attack on themselves
>>719719971It is named after Super Metroid, and Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, which are both better games than Hollow Knight. Maybe if Silksong turns out to be really good, they could consider changing it to Metroidknightlike.
W-what's wrong with Ori? I enjoyed both games just as much Hollow Knight and both Ender games. Wish the creator wasn't a Jonathan Blow-tier whiny faggot though. I've never played a Metroid or Castlevania game kek and no I don't count Bloodstained but that was enjoyable as well
DARKMETAMORPHOSIS
>>719719971Yes, keep your genre. The point of Metroid games is not even the Metroidvania aspect of it, see my rant at >>719754020>For me Metroid is not about the Zelda-like item progression, but about the unmarked secrets.
>>719719971>100% Ender Lilies in 14 hours>100% Ender Magnolia in 15>Finished Luna Nights in less than 1060 hours is way too fucking long man, that's when you're bordering the "is this shit going to end soon" for JRPGs- let alone for a metroidvania, i finished La Mulana in 45 hours just let that sink in for a moment.But i guess bugfags is all about quantity over quality.
>>719729581>games regularly go in the bargain binrofl
More like Transylvania, because the games are made by trannies for trannies
>>719719971Metroid has much better world design and exploration than hollow knight which are the two only reasons I play metroidvanias to begin with. Also, Sci-fi alien shit is way more intriguing than lame fantasy shit.
>>719719971>Holloid knightvania and the blind forest stories: featuring Dante from devil may cry 3!I fixed your genre name, bro.
>>719722697Yes the game that organically became extremely popular and beloved due to its quality over the last eight years was definitely astroturfed by...uh....the fake hype conglomerate
>>719719971Why are all new genres just named after the game that invented it? Where's the creativity? Rogue-likes truly fucked everything up
>>719761117Because existing genre names hardly tell the whole story. "Souls like" tells me more about a games genre/design than calling something an "action RPG" or "action adventure". Classic genres used for literature and film don't necessarily translate all that well to games. You can call a game a "horror" game, but that is more of an aesthetic genre than a mechanical one. Having genre names be named after games that popularized the mechanical conventions that define the genre is just about the best we have. The alternative is ending up with people who cannot agree on the genre name, what defines it, and what counts as it (like immersive sims or character action games) OR you get fart huggers making up their retarded own genres to describe their games that no one really understands the defining conventions of said new genre (like the "strand genre" by Kojima)
Metroidvania is a retarded name for a game genre, it's like calling a first person shooter "WolfenDoom".>inb4 "Doom Clone"There's a reason why that term went out of use pretty quickly.Just call them what they are, they're action-adventure games.
>>719761747>-adventureWhat would an action game that isn't adventurous look like?
>>719761747The problem is when someone wants an "action adventure" game closer to uncharted or nu tomb raider instead of Hollow Knight or Castlevania. "Action adventure" is too broad of a category and doesn't really define much. Most games can be defined as "action adventure". See >>719761525, defining a games mechanical genre is very difficult, especially the more abstract the mechanics you are trying to define become.
>>719719971im paying the extra 45 dollars to avoid a soul sucking 30 hour drag.
>>719720145Kys nigger
>>719761048>organically
>>719761747They should call them IndianaJones-likes
>Hollow Knight came out first on PC and became successful first on PC, wouldn't have been on console if it wasn't >suddenly tendies start taking the game and owning it like they're the reason its successful.disgusting behavior, its not just this game, its any midly successful indie games that got ported to Switch. Recently i think that happened with UFO 50
You're right, Metroid is too good for the -vania suffix.
>>719762764Doesn't help that indie devs start going in on it too and forget where they came. If they can, they would forgo releasing a game on PC if it means being able to eat Miyamoto's ass.Although some like ConcernedApe with Stardew Valley still remember where they came from
babby's first metroidvania
>>719722697Hollow Knight fags became very insufferable
>>719719971Yeah cause you don't have to wander from one end of a bloated map to the other to help a faggot find his butt buddy or putt flowers on a dyke's lesbo lover's grave in Metroid
>>719725731These Hollowfags are insane. I just want to talk about bugs.
>>719761747how else are you going to shortly describe 2d games with exploration and paths locked behind upgrades?
>>719730141>linear as fuck>EMMI sections are dogshit>platforming never reaches the same heights as Path of PainThe movement in Dread is better, but that's it. Combat+bosses are subjective, and I prefer HK's.
>>719767078>Path of Painjust play meatboy, the end is nigh or celeste
>>719719971>Completionist: 11 hoursKWAB
>>719767135>meatboy or celesteAlready did. Also played Aeterna Noctis.>the end is nighIn my backlog.
>>719719971Short games aren't worse
>>719767078Emmi sections are great chase sequences with improvisational platforming. They make perfect use of the movement mechanics. And Path of Pain is dogshit. Spike spam “difficulty” doesn’t make boring movement into interesting platforming. Your average shinespark puzzle is more interesting than anything in HK
>>719719971>Hollowfaggots still trying to start a war with the pioneersEmbarrassing.
