Just finished this game. Siding with him at the end is the objectively correct choice, right? He did literally nothing wrong
I wish I was stupid enough to get invested in this game's story
>>719720283What a gay looking character design
>>719720283He isn't real, he died in a house fire.Only option is to leave so Aline can move on.
>>719720283He did literally everything wrong.
>>719720283He lies to you at every step of the way so some people take issue with himThat said yes he is objectively the better choice
>>719720283No, both choices are wrong in one way or another. That's the whole point.
>>719720283If you have to ask, then you missed the point.
>>719720768Doesn't lie, just hides information.
>>719720283He did a lot wrong. But he's right about the final choice.
>>719720772Yeah, maybe the developers shouldn't have framed one of them as objectively terrible and hollow.
>>719720886lying by omission is still lying
>>719721435People are allowed to have private information they don't want to talk about.They wanted to kill the paintress, he helped there.
>>719720965They did that to both, you just refuse to see it.
>>719720283>Siding with him at the end is the objectively correct choice, right? Yes>He did literally nothing wrongNot quite, letting Gustave die was extremely counterproductive and so was most of his constant lying. He's basically the reason why there was no option to talk Maelle out of staying in the painting which forced a shitty choice where his ending was the lesser evil.
>>719722128He is his father’s son after all.
>>719720283There is no objectively correct choice, by design.IF you think otherwise you are low IQ or autistic.
>>719720283He killed thousands
>>719722267>leave painting and face real life and its challenges>stay in goon cave and after that the canvas gets destroyed anywayI can see why SOME people would like Maelle’s ending
>>719720283This is the literal only takeaway from the game
>>719720283Choosing Verso is the best ending if we accept that in this game's world the painted people aren't fully conscious living beings, then it's more like turning off an ai. But if they are as real as real life humans then you're effectively committing a genocide.
>>719722495The thing is they are real people but most of them are already dead and they'll all die soon anyway.
>>719722495If you compare the people in the canvas world to AI then you don't know anything about "AI" and you also are not paying attention.
>>719720283No.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAXFndOhaio
>>719720283>French storyImagine if this trash game were written by real humans instead of some Paris trash. The story would be good.
>>719722590i think it's a pretty apt comparison>>719722560>they'll die soon anywaythat's not guaranteed. I know she lied and doesn't plan to leave, but she could have a change of mind, come to and from the painted world like she first promised, thereby showing her father that she has the willpower not to stay there forever and he'd have no real reason to destroy it then
>>719722128Alicia did that all on her own, she didn't take a single thing she learned from her time as maelle about grief or death when she became alicia.
>>719720283There is no "objectively correct choice", which common sense should have told you. And now both the writer and director have spelled it out in interviews. The player makes the choice based on personal ethics and their interpretation of the work. So in a way, you made the "correct" choice but it's still as hypocritical and self serving as Mallefags' choice. Which was the point.
>>719720283Of two flawed options, Maelle’s ending is pretty clearly the best one. Verso’s ending is quite literally sacrificing an entire world filled with sentient lives just to help one single family outside of the painting (and because selfishly he no longer wishes to live but is unable to kill himself). Maelle’s ending leaves the family grieving yes, but again, at the cost of destroying an entire world.The idea that those in the painting have no value is disproven by Maelle’s experience and the 30+ hours you the player experienced. They may not be true humans, but they’re real. Verso’s ending is quite literally genocide.
>>719723358>is quite literally sacrificing an entire world filled with sentient livesMost of them are already dead.>Verso’s ending is quite literally genocide.Already genocided.Also, nobody actually cares about him doing it, barring lune, not even fucking alicia if he wasn't there.
>>719723261>And now both the writer and director have spelled it out in interviews.>maellefag seethes because people who chose her ending don't like her ending>he laughs>YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND VERSO BROThey just can't come out and say which ending they think is better, because the discussion keeps the game alive.But DAMN did they try hard to portray maelle's ending as terrible.
>>719723452>most of them are already dead>nobody actually caresMaelle has the power to grant them life again, as a true continuation since they remember their lives before getting gommaged. Ignoring her potential to save the entire world is the same as killing them all again. Everyone granted life again surely cared and is glad to be alive.
>>719720283Maelle's ending is more righteous as a "saving everyone" ending, though it doesn't feel right.Verso's ending is less righteous, but it feels like you're setting things right.
>>719723743>people think Renoir is just going to let the canvas stay after his daughter OD’s. The difference between both endings is one death.
>>719723978It also skips every single scene of maelle saving everyone and you are fastracked to the very fixed concert hall (fuck the rest of lumiere) as she enslaves her own brother.They made a fantastic portrayal of how shit it is.
>>719723539>They just can't come out and say which ending they think is better, because the discussion keeps the game alive.>But DAMN did they try hard to portray maelle's ending as terrible.You can keep telling yourself whatever you like to validate your biases. The point of the ending was for both parties to be as delusional as they see fit. It does not change the fact both endings are deliberately unhappy.
>>719723452This all falls apart when you remember the gestrals and grandis are also sentient creatures who are decidedly not "already genocided"
>>719720283His ending is COPE FRENCHIE, the other ending is lmao escapism
>>719724029Time in the painting is far different than outside. Alicia/Maelle could stay in the painting for years outside but it could be thousands and thousands of years inside. Is the Earth not worth saving because a meteor will eventually hit it? Things don’t lose their current value just because they won’t exist in perpetuity.
>>719720454But anon the story is non-existent. It's narrative driven and thus is terrible by default so there is not much you are missing.Everything that they set up in the Prologue and Act 1 has no pay off at all and goes from an existential mystery to family drama for the last two acts. It shits the bed in every conceivable way up to and including "it was all just a dream!" trope.
>>719724320>has no pay off at allBrainlet
>>719723031If only it was written by Druckman or Kojima or whoever wrote Dustborn.
>>719724078They had to do it that way to at least try to keep it ambiguous as to whats better, thats the thing. If they showed her saving everyone, there would be absolutely no doubt it was better, but whether they showed it or not it did still happen.
>>719720283I hated Verso from the moment I met him>wtf ist his discount gustave? fuck himYet, I sided with him.It was objectively the right thing to do.
>>719720283Only waifufags agree with Maelle.
>>719724370>no argument
>>719723743They were never really alive to begin with. It's like thinking that deleting your Sims save files is the same as comitting genocide.
>>719724320"I don't think the paintress is evil" was set up in the prologue.
>>719724307Her mom, the biggus dickus master paintress was falling apart after 50 or 60 years. I also think it cheapens the lives of the painted people and Alicia’s own attachment to them by having her control them all into being her own perfect little world. It’s hard to respect their lives when Gustave and Sophie just pop up at the end like none of the emotional beats of the story mattered and it’s all fixed now. They’re toys, or at least that’s what they become in Maelle’s ending.
>>719720537>meanwhile in the jewtube sphere>"why is he so hot" - every SINGLE female youtuberYou're a virgin.
>>719724609This is the fundamental issue Renoirfags can’t understand. Though they only exist in the painting, they are clearly living, sentient things, indistinguishable from lives outside the painting. How do I know? Because we just spent 30+ hours living in their world and seeing proof of that lol. Each one of them has equal value to a person outside the painting.
Maelle died in act 2.The Maelle you met in act 1 would have sided with Verso because FUCK staying in Lumiere. She used to literally prefer to die than stay one more year with them.
>>719720283>Siding with him at the end is the objectively correct choice, right?Yes. I love Sciel but they are paintings and their world's existence was hurting Verso's real family and eventually kill his mother and sister
>>719722495>Choosing Verso is the best ending if we accept that in this game's world the painted people aren't fully conscious living beings,I can accept that and still consider Verso the best ending.The "real human beings" you speak of died in Act 2. Besides a few gestrals, there was nothing to save anymore during act 3.
>>719722452Clea is top, verso is top too.
>>719724876Maelle was a teenager with no family at the beginning, but the point of her development was that she found her family and found value in her and their lives throughout the adventure.
>>719720454>/r/iamverysmart-ahh post
Makes a good ending where everybody but Verso lived happily ever after (good, because fuck Verso).People thinks it's bad because of a black and white filter and some ominous music queue.>But Maelle's body will rot away in the real worldHer dad's been in the painting for 67 years and he's still fine. She could play around for a few more decades until somebody (likely Gustave) convinced her to go outside for a bathroom break every once in a while.One ending is irreversible, while in the other, anything could happen afterward. Anything.
>>719720283At that point it's the correct choice yes. He did everything wrong and deserves to suffer though. It never should've gotten to that point and he could've prevented it.
>>719724781Painters do not consider painted creations as their equals. They are like Sims, to them. Besides, they were created based on Aline's memories of real people (though I don't know how that works with the children).
>>719724378I said REAL HUMANS. Those fuckers are less than animals.
The true takeaway from the story is that it makes you hate the Dessendres, and therefore Maelle's ending is the objectively best choice because it inflicts the maximum amount of suffering upon those pompous pricks.
>>719724093>wanting to save your mother from a crippling addiction born to cope with depression from losing a child that would eventually kill her and preventing your sister from going down the same path is somehow delusional
>>719725174>>719724609Renoir, the person trying to kill everyone, disagrees with your assessment. He simply considers his family more important than their lives. Clea is the one who lies to herself about them not being people, Renoir was trying to make it as fast as possible to rip the genocide band-aid off.
>>719725164Maelle would have been dead without Verso saving her from the fire in the first place>Repays him by using the last piece of his eternally tormented soul as a VRchat onaholeMaellefags have no concept of morality
>>719725164You claim Alicia's ending is better for the people inside it, but unironically letting Alicia stays is what dooms the painted people in this ending. If you think the canvas isn't burning the second she dies, I don't know what you're thinking.The only way to have the people survive is for the painted people to make a bargain with Renoir: they'd kick anyone from entering the canvas, in exchange for their lives.
>>719725174I know the painters don’t, but what I’m saying is that throughout the experience of the journey (and Alicia/Maelle’s own judgment), shows that they are wrong.
>>719725106Correction.Maelle had no power at the beginning, and once she found out she's a goddess with omnipotent power she decided to stay.She had a family at the beginning (gustave, emma), and she abandoned her family by the end of the game (renoir, monoco the third, noco)
Maelle's is better because Verso deserves to suffer. Play the piano fagboy, just like you promised you would
>>719725174This. To quote the most based character in the game.>You painters do whatever you wantPainters are EVIL.
This game has no story but the narrative sucks too. This game has like two good characters and that's Renoir and Verso.
>>719725360>Clea is the one who lies to herself about them not being peopleUh, no, she straight up doesn't consider them alive. Forgot how she mentioned painted Verso? What she did to Simon?That's not the actions of someone who "lied to herself about them not being people".As for Renoir, it is likely it doesn't consider them as alive too. He hates erasing the canvas, not because of the Lumiere people (that are Aline's creations), but because it contains Verso's piece of souls and creations made by him.
>>719723097>but she could have a change of mindshe won't, that is the entire point of the maelle endingshe's already losing it when she calls verso her brother
>>719725437>The only way to have the people survive is for the painted people to make a bargain with Renoir: they'd kick anyone from entering the canvas, in exchange for their lives.This is the correct ending. The only way the people in the painting can survive is if the Painters stop intervening, and that includes Alicia.
>>719725697The cope of someone who refuses to understand the weight of their actions. Renoir would be disappointed with you.
Fuck the painted people and Maelle
>>719725697Renoir talks to pVerso, Lune and Sciel as if they're real, living, conscious beings (which they are), so where are you getting the idea that he doesn't consider them alive from?
>>719723358The world is getting destroyed anyway the moment Maelle dies of being-in-a-painting overdose.
>>719725360>Renoir, the person trying to kill everyone,He literally killed everyone. He didn't "try"
>>719725437I did say anything could happen after Maelle's ending, including the bargain with Renoir you suggested.They can't bargain if the painting's already ereased, can they?
>>719725846That would be an act of pointless spite. He would certainly make another attempt to kick her out before that point though.
>>719725827Renoir factually ignores Lune and Sciel. He only spoke to them once they opened their whore mouths. He doesn't even see them as living beings.You're right about pVerso tho.
>Most characters are the paintresses creations>Alicia perfectly recreates all her mothers creations as soon as she remembers who she isCan't this stupid whiny character just recreate all the panted people in a different painting?
>>719725424>Maelle would have been dead without Verso saving her from the fire in the first placeNo, Maelle would've been evicted from the painting which is also exactly what happens to her at the end of Act 2 because of Verso
>>719725770This. I wish people liking Alicia's ending would at least realize that the painted people (that they claim Alicia wants to protect) are still doomed in her ending. But no, they are caught up in her lies and fantasies.Any painted people with thinking capabilities, in this setting, would ask this question one time: "what happens when she dies?"
Reminder Clea could have taken Aline out of the canvas by force in seconds, but chose to make Renoir waste his time instead.
Cuck worlds do not get to exist. Leftists can kill themselves.
>>719720283Yes yes you're white
>>719725982She can. Verso even said so.>You can be Maelle whenever you want.>You don't need this canvas.>Sciel is right, all you see are walls (referring to how she doesn't see the posibilities of her powers being replicated in a canvas of her own)
>>719725969Why do you disregard Renoir's own actions?
>>719725969>"You grieve for two."is not something you say to someone you don't consider a living being, c'mon>>719726070To be fair it would be years, eons even before she died. It'd be like the average human having a meltdown about the sun's red giant phase swallowing our planet in thousands of years. This sort of existential panic is beyond most people's imagination and ultimately doesn't matter.
>>719726210The ones in act 2? He killed both of them, no questions asked.Meanwhile, to pVerso, he first apologized, and then attempted to delete him.Notice the difference?
>>719720283Life keeps forcing cruel choices.
>>719720283I hate this guy, so I went with maelle, but that was way worse than I expected. I looked at his ending on YouTube and didn't like it either, but yeah, it's slightly better.
>>719725307Yes. You are free to delude yourself you did not enable Verso's escapism via suicide as well as the erasure of all sentient and sapient life within the canvas for the sake of a single family in which recovery (especially Maelle's case, in which Verso told her to fuck off into another canvas if she hates her outside life so much) is in no way guaranteed. You can sugarcoat it in whatever self justifying rhetoric you please - your choice is selfish.
>>719726331>>"You grieve for two."How did he know? He wasn't there.
>>719726086Where'd you get that idea?
>>719726336He wanted to avoid having to converse with his victims yes. When forced to however it's clear he does consider them alive.
>>719725437>is for the painted people to make a bargain with Renoir: they'd kick anyone from entering the canvas, in exchange for their lives.Painted people don't appear to be capable of detecting people from outside the canvas, let alone ejecting them
>>719726208Fake drama game, everything is reversible and the entire game revolves basically around a family mourning for like 70 fucking years because they can't leave a painting to the point the dad has to take it away from them. Women being impossible the game.
>>719726436The literal existence of Simon.Imagine 6 Simons.
>>719725982The implication is that she required their Chroma to repaint them (with memories and all) and Chroma seems to be canvas specific. She could probably paint her own versions after she gets as good as her mother.
>>719726471No idea what you mean, never reply to me again.
>>719726507Simon lost to Renoir in lore though. He's only the strongest from a gameplay perspective. He'd lose to Aline's "enforcer" pRenoir too, considering he's immortal.
>>719726507I dunno what you're talking about dude, Maelle oneshot Simon before he could do much of anything :^)
>>719720283Verso is Verso, and it's Verso's canvas
>>719726463Gustave could've figured out a way given a few more years and some technical details from Renoir.
>>719722423I get the logic behind it being bad but she's literally disfigured to the point she can't even speak. I'd be a selfish piece of shit in her position too and so would just about anyone else with the kind of injury she sustained
>>719725437>The only way to have the people survive is for the painted people to make a bargain with Renoir: they'd kick anyone from entering the canvas, in exchange for their lives.Yeah this would have been actually smart, like if Renoir, pRenoir, pVerso, pAlicia and some expeditioners that could get talked into this would all agree. Maybe if Gustave survived and he and Lune/Sciel could talk Maelle into it and then also talk to Aline and the real Verso fragment, but that requires a lot of people who aren't in their right minds or have beef with each other to sit down and talk which is why it's highly unlikely.
>>719726331>it would be years, eons even before she diedPersonally, I don't think it's going to be that long based on what we know about her parents and her state at the epilogue, more something happening to the people's lifetime.If Lune was "real", she'd definitely ask herself this question, EVEN MORE since she knows everything going on.Now, anything could happen. What if her real body die for some reasons? Like, writters attack number 2, the mansion falling apart, a cockroach eating her brain? The canvas would be destroyed.
>>719726717>I should be allowed to kill my living creationsYeah he's a JRPG villain, we know.
>>719726538When she escapes from real Renoir she basically clicks her fingers and wills Lune and Sciel back into existence. All she needed to do is be 1% reasonable with her dad and be like I wont go back in the canvas but please keep the canvas till I'm good enough to import mothers characters into my own new canvas.
>>719726404So because someone isn't guaranteed to recover means you should take the abusive substance from them? And should instead just enable it because "well at least they seem happy" What kind of retarded logic is that?
>>719726417Painters can see into the past. It's how Maelle dreamed about Verso slaughtering expedition 0
>>719725360They're not real people, they can never be real, by mere virtue of being literal drawings. It doesn't matter if they're sentient or not, they are just fiction. Them being there or not has no bearing in the game's real world, just like a Sim, a Tamagochi or a characterin a book dying has no bearing in our real world.
Escapism is bad, painted people arent real, kill all darkners from Deltarune
>>719726796>but please keep the canvas till I'm good enough to import mothers characters into my own new canvas.And then her mother finds the canvas again, dives back in again, and shaves years off of everyones' lives dragging her out
Maelle was right. Maruki was right. Madara was right.
>>719726717Alicia: (Did you see… Verso?)Clea: You’re as bad as Aline. He’s not Verso. He’s a painted copy, built from our mother’s memories. You’d do well to remember that.LMAO
>>719726925Renoir disagrees. I think he has more information on the matter.
>>719726796>clicks her fingers and wills Lune and Sciel back into existenceShe has their Chroma. You can see her collect it as she flees from her father.>import mothers charactersWhy do you think this is possible?
>>719725982>>719726796You missed the part where she grabbed Lune and Sciel's chroma before escaping Lumiere, didn't you?It happened so fast most people don't get why she couldn't resurrect Gustave also.Maelle's a shit painter. She can't create anything. She could only put the scattered pieces back together.
>>719726757Yeah that's the most rational solution, but we're in a highly emotional story based on grief and how people deal with it, so it's never happening. In the first place, if Alina was more "rational", she wouldn't even have created Lumiere and its people, so the game wouldn't even exist.This is kinda why I prefer to not think of the painted people as real after act 3, because they can't even have this thought (I know it's also because it's a game, it's a scenario, yada yada, but it would still make sense for several characters to have these thoughts).
>>719727035how did clea even understand what the mute retard was """"saying""""
>>719727063Renoir is french, his opinion is irrelevant
>>719727032Maruki was right, but Maelle was wrong.
>>719727035>Taking Aline's word over Esquie's I bet you don't return the shopping cart, either.
>>719727081she recreated sciel's husband so you're wrong.
>>719726925Anon is right that they are real it's just that they only exist as long as a painter soul is drawing their canvas. Renoir does see them as real but he'll pick his actual family over them any time.
>>719727261>Renoir does see them as real but he'll pick his actual family over them any time.Which is perfectly understandable. People don't want to admit that they'll kill the five people to save the one in this scenario though.
>>719727024I mean I doubt Alicia would need very long before she would have the skill and chroma needed to recreate them in her own canvas. they just to hide Verso's canvas till then. >>719727072If she can perfectly recreate her mothers characters just from their chroma, with memories up to date, why couldn't she just take their chroma and import them into a new canvas?>>719727081Honestly I did but it's all just for continuity plot reasons, but I could have sworn she recreates other characters too. No recreating Gustave was just a obvious plot reason to not complicate things/for gameplay reasons. It's not a leap to say she can recreate things but it is a bit of a leap to say she's a shit painter.
>It's okay for Verso to be selfish and choose suicide>But it's not okay for Alicia to be selfish and choose suicide
>>719727118Magic is sort-of real in the real world
>>719727439>Suicide for the sake of saving his sister>Suicide for the sake of playing barbie dress up with hostages
>>719727346Yep. Also Verso's ending isn't even killing them as such, just telling real Verso's soul it's ok to stop painting, them dying is a side effect because they can't exist on their own.
>>719727032Maruki is literally changing reality. Maelle & Madara's solution is more like the pleasure cube.
>>719727439It's ok. She'll commit suicide either way.
>>719727439This game will only be continue to be talked about sometimes because of retarded takes like this.
>>719727501The story is over, in-game and for the game itselfI'd say "Bravo Kojima" but Kojima couldn't come up with something that sensical
>>719727439>>It's okay for Verso to be selfish and choose murder-suicideFTFY
>>719727416>why couldn't she just take their chroma and import them into a new canvasAgain, what makes you think this is possible?
>>719727439Yes, most gamers are retards, we know. Unironically people caping for their preferred ending comes from their incessant need to have a "happy ending" for the game they enjoyed playing. It's literal cope.
I picked Maelle because i think she is cute. That's all.
>>719727593Chroma comes from the painter, painters can paint. They can copy, paste and delete...There is literally no reason to think you couldn't create two identical paintings. If Verso was alive he could with time essentially create two copies of his canvas one at a time. Near parallel worlds. Real painters can pretty much already perfect replica's of old art to the point forgery detection is near impossible.
>>719727521>Alicia joins the war with a fucked up body and shitty painting skills>or she doesn't and goes into another painting>or she kills herselfthanks Verso
>>719727496>Suicide for the sake of saving his sisterShe's not his sister. He already watched his sister commit suicide.
You know what's funny? Maelle's ending is ironically the "don't go on the expedition, wait for the gommage and make the most of the time you have until you die anyway" choice. Verso's ending is Maelle actually learning the expedition mindset and applying it to herself and her family: bravely facing the truth, moving forward and when one of us dies, we continue.
>>719727953FineThe person who his sister was wearing the identity of like a skin mask
>>719727806It’s mentioned that Clea is the only one in the family skilled enough to alter a painted person, so there’s more to it than real life painting. Since the soul is involved in such a direct way, making a direct facsimile without the original components might be a doomed effort.
>>719726816>What kind of retarded logic is that?Verso's, as a matter of fact.>You've got this incredible power to paint. You'll never have to suffer a life you don't want. Which is why he proposes the idea to Maelle after he defeats her because his erasure along with the canvas is secure at this point. All that about "grief blinding" her? Suddenly no longer applies when he can die in peace. While he does care for Maelle, he is using his family's grief as a pretext to justify effacing the canvas. He lays his true intentions out to his father quite plainly: "I'm tired." That's it. Everything else is fluff. That said, I care not about your logic or reasoning. Or more aptly, "feelings" in this scenario. Spare me your regurgitated drug analogies. Maelle and Aline are free to conduct their lives how they see fit. Their sense of continuation and the passage of time within the canvas is confirmed to be up to 100 years in only several weeks. The only one who truly suffers is Renoir as he watches their real bodies languish as they happily live their lives in the canvas. I do not fault him for trying to "save" them - most would if placed in his position. But that does not mean their choices to live life in the canvas are "incorrect." Especially Maelle who has little of value in the "real" world as a maimed mute cripple who cannot breathe without pain. This is not a black and white subject. Both decisions have their merits and drawbacks.
>>719727806Yeah it's possible but not plausible. You would need to know every single detail about the painted beings you're copying, down to the emotions and memories they had. The only thing Alicia do is just paint her own version which will never be a perfect copy of the Verso's Canvas.
>>719720283>RPG>Linear >GAME OF THE FUCKING YEAR!!!!! >JRPG (Final Fantasy XIII) >Linear>WORSE FF GAME EVER!!! What????? No seriously explain yourselves motherfuckers. I thought Linear RPG = BAD >b-b-but once you get to hour 50-fuck off
>>719728407FFXIII was far ahead of its time as it turns out.
>>719728265>>719728292I might agree more if there was some sort of argument that when Alicia recreated Lune/Sciel they weren't 100% the same person but honestly the plot is so shit and open for manipulation in the game I seriously don't see why it wouldn't be possible if not highly probable. Alicia could identify their chroma just in a sea of chroma dust so there's no way she wouldn't be able to analyze it on some level and learn its properties and import it/recreate it.
>>719727217Sciel's husband drowned. If people who die from natural causes turn into normal corpses, then all she had to do was tell Esquie to fish him up and resurrect him. If they turn into petals like everybody else, then that's even easier.
>>719728407Let's casually forget all side activities in all acts, or even the many paths inside each zones, but I guess you didn't play the game, so you wouldn't know.
>>719728614It unironically was. It came out at a time when "people" actually WANTED ubislop tier open worlds, which is why it was hated. It's actually not any less linear than other FFs. 10 didn't have a world map either and that game is jerked off to high heavens.
>>719728671>there's no way she wouldn't be able to analyze it on some level and learn its properties and import it/recreate it.I can identify my friend out of a crowd of people which obviously means I can make a perfect clone of him.
>>719728779>If people who die from natural causes turn into normal corpsesThey don't. Only people killed by nevrons turn into corpses/statues. Any other death results in the body disappearing and their chroma dissipating
>>719728846I hate E33 but c'mon now, it's still miles ahead of XIII. XIII is dogshit, E33 has decent gameplay and good level design at least, just a shit story.
>>719728873Lol nice try, more like you created a sims character and understand all the values that made up that sims character to the point you can recreate that sims character in a completely new hard drive when playing The Sims.
>>719729102A canvas is not a computer.
>>719725034Still people of a sorts. Also, Esquie.
In the sequel, it will be revealed that the world outside the painting is just another canvas and Renoir is an old incel who's pretending he has a family.Paintingception.
>>719727496Since you consider it suicide, you also agree that it's genocide as well, I presume.
>>719728951Nah he's right. FFXIII sadly came out at a time when everyone only cared about Open World shit and dude bro games. It was also at the time when the West as a whole begin to shit talk Japanese games for being "outdated". therefore the west took over during the 7th gen with white male protags and then in the 8th lgbt shit took over
>>719731631>FFXIII sadly came out at a time when everyone only cared about Open World shit and dude bro gamesAnon, linearity was in vogue when FFXIII came out. CoD and Uncharted popularised games that were basically just corridors with pretty setpieces, and XIII fit that to a t.
>>719728407E33 has an overworld you can explore. It’s really only the individual locations that are just corridors with slight branches.
>>719720283He's one of the most tragic characters but the usual suspects absolutely hate him because they can't grasp the idea of sacrificing your life and your work for your family.
>>719732875CoD was played for the Multiplayer. Uncharted wasn't even popular yet. U1 is pretty niche. U2 was the one that got big. Funny, I still have the GameInformer when Uncharted was reveal and it didn't even have a name yet
>>719727439verso is already dead THOUGH
>>719733220>CoD was played for the MultiplayerIts single player campaign still influenced how other single player campaigns were designed in the era. It was very common to have games where the game was constantly holding your hand and pushing in one direction while stopping you from straying too far off the beaten path.
>>719729323A computer only really needs electricity and its parts replaced once in a while. The painted basically need a slowly suiciding human host to prop up their fiction and create all the variables needed to host their """free will""". The painted are far inferior to a computer game character.
>>719733941The painted appear to subsist on a soul-shard of the original painter, and the soul shard seems to like creating. The painted will exist without a painter currently observing the canvas, possibly. It’s effectively a semi-intelligent demiurge left in the painting.
>>719733621>Its single player campaign still influenced how other single player campaigns were designed in the era.I don't remember this. The only thing I remember CoD doing is making everyone else make their own FPS with multiplayer as a MUST HAVE. I can't even think of another FPS from 7th gen with the same Michael Bay explosion set pieces every two seconds.
>>719734286It does not really matter how you attempt to explain it. He will double down on his dishonest reductionist spiel of undermining the sentience and autonomy of the lives in the canvas. Literally "hurdurr they aren't reel XD" Don't even bother.
>>719720283Correct.The entire justification basically boils down to women are retarded.-There is a real world out there and clearly these painters are addicted to jerking off to their own painting. They need to be unplugged.-They can always create a new painting. They have no right to keep this one alive and in chaos because they incorrectly feel entitled to someone else's soul.-Corso made the painting, it's his property.-None of the people in the painting are alive. It's like deleting your Chat GPT account.This is a good litmus test. If you didn't side with Corvo then you are retarded and likely prone to drug addiction and social media.
>>719733941>The painted basically need a slowly suiciding human hostNo it just needs a piece of an immortal soul (that's willingly given by the original painter btw), which it already had. The "human host" is just to speed up fixing the damage caused by other human hosts
>>719720283>>719720283>He did literally nothing wrongHe manipulated and deceived Expedition 33 into unknowingly inviting the destruction of their entire world and the death of everyone they know. He's an accessory to genocide.
>>719734927He is trading a civilization of mortals for two to four gods.
>>719720283Is that Adam Driver?
>>719724320low IQ
>>719734784>None of the people in the painting are alive. It's like deleting your Chat GPT account.So why does ChatGPT get a say as to what happens instead of a real human like Maelle?
>>719735265because Maelle is fucking retarded and a child
>>719733941It's kinda amazing how you keep jumping to wild conclusions.
>>719734286>>719734758They literally keep gommaging because their existences are unstable without their host. After you boot The Paintress out of the painting (You are all her creations) you all basically get shut down immediately after. Not to mention real Verso's soul having to basically keep the upkeep in that singularity room. pVerso basically saved Alicia's life by not making her ruin her life propping him Verso's work. Even if they could survive a few years without a painter they would just get oblivion'd all over again. It's all a dream people. Your time is better spent making sims characters and backing up the save data across 3 computers.
>>719722452they all look the samewtf is this shitty game
>>719735423Yeah because this is such a world with hard rules. It's shown though that painted people can only exist within the limitations of the host so it's all just short term fixes. Verso ending is the only ending in the game for anyone with remotely common sense.
>>719735449>They literally keep gommaging because their existences are unstable without their host.OK, now I'm sure you didn't play the game. What a waste of time and bandwidth.
>>719722560>most of them are already dead>>719725034>The "real human beings" you speak of died in Act 2.Yes, precisely because of Verso and his actions. He provided crucial assistance to the expedition who he knew were unknowingly acting against their own interests and deliberately withheld this information in order to achieve his own goals. Alicia at least seemed to believe they might be able to reach a more amicable solution if Verso chose to be honest, she said so in her letter to Maelle. Lune also expresses this sentiment. Alicia though, unlike Lune, was at peace with her impending gommage, and was speaking from sincerity, not from anger or desperation.
>>719720283Yes, the dev have basically said Vereso's the good ending. If the game didn't make it obvious enough.
>>719735449Renoir was causing the gommage, retard. In order to destroy the painting and try to force his wife out forever. Versoul will paint forever and without cease because it’s all he can do, and stopping will kill him. Also, with the exception of the painted Dessandres, everyone else is the creation of Verso.
>>719735604>It's shown though that painted people can only exist within the limitations of the hostWhere and how is this shown?
>>719735634pRenoir and pVerso get to live forever because they are special to Aline, everyone else is basically just filler. Soon as she leaves, they do too. Maelle just didn't because she's actually just an Isekai protag who retained memories from her previous "REAL" life.
>>719735342And Verso is a painting and is therefore not alive so his opinion is irrelevant. It's like telling ChatGPT what to do, no?
>>719735795You genuinely didn’t understand the story, Aline isn’t sustaining the painting, Verso is. That is why Alicia is told to go find and stop Verso.
>>719735702pRenoir was prolonging the gommage by killing all the expedition members and stopping them from killing Paintress which if she died, would kill everyone including himself. Real Renoir was just trying to get his damn wife out of the painting and to burn the world to ashes.
>>719735265The painting and it's inhabitants are chatgpt, verso is real as his soul was bound with the canvas. So he is entitled to say fuck you maelle stop being a brain rotten zoom zoom addicted to a fake reality.
>>719735876Verso is sustaining the painting, not the painted. Even if everyone was to get gommaged (And they did when Paintress died), the painting would still exist and the cycle would go on, persumably with the characters that Verso actually painted like Esquie rather than Paintress ones.
>>719735973Well yes, but each gommage was still Renoir’s will. If it wasn’t for him, the yearly gommage wouldn’t happen.
>>719735449>They literally keep gommaging because their existences are unstable without their host. After you boot The Paintress out of the painting (You are all her creations) you all basically get shut down immediately after.False. They were deleted after the Paintress was removed because that allowed Renoir to gommage them uncontested, not because her presence is somehow essential to sustaining them. It is in a way, but only in the sense that she is the one preventing Renoir from wiping out the entire canvas all at once (which he eventually does), hence why he is only able to erase her oldest creations once a year, hence why she paints the number onto the monolith as a warning for everybody. This is all explained explicitly and unambiguously by Clea and in Alicia's letter at the end of Act II.
>>719736087>And they did when Paintress diedNo.
>>719736087Paintress did not create Lumiere or the people inside it. Verso sustains everything inside the painting, including the creations of every single other painter. If Verso stops, the Canvas dies and no other painter can enter it again. Verso is the lynchpin, and Verso is responsible for the people other than the painted Dessandres.
>>719736074>So he is entitled to say fuck you maelleExcept he doesn't. Painted Verso, who you just admitted is ChatGPT, did. Therefore Maelle is correct by your own logic
>>719736340But soul verso agrees with him.
>>719736443So why does his soul need to be "stopped" from painting instead of stopping on his own?
>>719736517He doesn't think he's allowed to, because he has the mind of a kid. He needs to be told it's ok to stop painting, but his mother and sister force him to.
>>719735973>pRenoir was prolonging the gommage by killing all the expedition members and stopping them from killing Paintress which if she died, would kill everyone including himself.Objectively incorrect, as evidenced, by the fact that multiple members of her painted family continue to exist once she is expelled, namely Verso and Alicia. Clea's nevrons also continue to exist with or without her presence. You're plain wrong on this mate, give up, you either missed a crucial line of dialogue or two or you've just completely misinterpreted something.
>>719736572No one forces him to do anything. He paints alone in a room until ChatGPT tells him to stop
>>719736685You find him questioning whether he can or should continue repeatedly.
>>719736685>*literally has a sword pointed at him at the thought he may stop painting*reminder he's eternally stuck at like 8-10 years old. He wants to stop but doesn't know if he can, because half of his family wants him to.
>>719736731So he's unsure of what to do. That's not saying "fuck you" to anyone, clank. The humans can make that decision, not ChatGPT
Actually the ending is ambiguous and quite well written. It's all about perspective. Both choices have their merits and the bittersweet cinematography doesn't pick sides so it's up to the players to decide what is rig-ACK
>>719736962He is literally a child witnessing a violent argument as to whether or not he should continue painting. The opinions of the painted hold as much weight as those of his family.
>>719736614Uhh Maelle does get gommaged? That's why she reverts back to her true form of Alicia but becomes like a hybrid of both forms? Verso also kind of gets gommaged but then doesn't. But I assumed that because he's a special painted like pRenoir who lives forever, it needed the power of "The Creator" to undo him.
>>719737052>cinematography doesn't matter>music doesn't matter>skipping over the happy parts doesn't matter>that lumiere is shit except the place where her brother has to play doesn't matter>that everyone wears the same clothes doesn't matter>that she didn't even bother giving gustave his arm back doesn't matter
>>719737080>The opinions of the painted hold as much weight as those of his family.According to the anon I responded to it's literally the opposite, hence why I challenged him in the first place
Just do one end, then reload the save and pick the other.
>>719737082>Uhh Maelle does get gommaged?I said Alicia, not Maelle. She is alive and well at the top of The Reacher long after The Paintress is ejected. It's clear you've missed half the game and are making stuff up.
>>719720283He bullshits everyone around him literally every time he opens his mouth.Piano it is.
>>719720283He is evil and the antagonist of the game. People who pick him are without morality.
>>719737228It IS implied that the little soul-shard is more tired than it is excited though. He seems to hate the post-fracture painting and repeatedly seems tired, for whatever that means for a soul shard. It might have the ability to eventually simply stop painting.
>>719735580Renoir and Renoir 2 are the same person, essentially. Verso is the son of Renoir. Gustave is some sort of dream version of Verso. Maelle = Alicia 2 and they're the siter of Clea, both daughters of Aline.It makes sense they look the same.If you thing Sciel and Lune look like the others you're most likely autistic.
>>719737353Alicia is not a painted family? She's a real painter not a painted. Of course she wouldn't get gommaged? Where Maelle is a painted whose existence is tied to The Paintress. That kind of proves my point? You need to make a bit more clear what your point is. Everyone but Alicia got gommaged because Alicia's existence is not tied to the painting or paintress.
>>719737613Did you forget painted Alicia? The grey girl with the mask? She didn’t get gommaged, neither did painted Clea.
>>719736614as soon as Aline is ejected, Renoir immediately escapes from Renoir's Drafts to finish off the Canvas by summoning a zillion Nevrons. the painted family isn't immediately gommaged because of Aline's plot jiggery-pokery but the end result was going to be the same. Renoir tells Verso to his face that he's going to obliterate him!
>>719737613>Alicia is not a painted family?The girl with the white hair and the mask. The one who Verso grew up with, who Aline painted and imbued with the real Alicia's injuries and grief. Go play the fucking game, I shouldn't be having to spoon feed you the story.
>>719725164>Her dad's been in the painting for 67 yearsRetard, holy shit.
>>719737707Renoir doesn’t escape from anywhere, Renoir IS the curator. He travels with you the entire game, empowering the crew.
Aline>Creates human life, they live good livesRenoir>Kills the humansYou>She's so evil for creating humans, Renoir is such a good personmfw
>>719737720>>719737702Jesus just say pAlicia, there's literally two Alicia's, Renoirs and such. You need to make the distinction. Anyway regarding them that doesn't disprove anything, pRenoir/pVerso/pAlicia/pClea are immortal in that world and clearly different than the Lumerians. They needed special powers to essentially gommage them.
>>719720283>half of the main cast are literally soulless NPCsThis is objectively shit writing. Imagine spending the entire intro of the game talking about these people fighting for their world then forgetting the theme halfway through. The games really makes some of the worst writing mistakes imaginable.
>>719737928How about Palicia and Penoir?
>>719737881Aline>destroys her family, fucks up her son's childhood world for a shitty larprenoir>tries to save his retarded wifeYes, renoir is the hero, the people of lumiere shouldn't even exist.
>>719737881>creates humansAline just sustains them. Verso created them and is an enslaved demiurge.
>>719738113The family members are immortal as discussed? They are clearly operating in different rules than those which gommage with time.
>>719738142Nope. Verso made gestrals and other creatures (Esquie etc.), but not a single human.
>>719738240Nobody gommages with time, Renoir is causing the gommage. When the paintress is forced out, Renoir can apply his full power to instantly gommage everybody in the painting. The paintress only sustains life in opposition to Renoir, who is trying to destroy the entire painting to force is family to face reality.
>>719735047Gods = Fags
>>719738301Where exactly is your evidence of this? Pre-fracture, Gestrals and Humans lived side by side. Verso’s death caused the fight that caused fracture.
>>719738318I hope this isn't true because otherwise Aline could have saved everyone if she would just stop being a bitch for 5 minutes and talk to her husband.
>>719738142No Aline created the humans, Clea made the nevrons and Francois, Verso made the rest.>>719738137Aline did leave her family, that is pretty bad, but it's negligible compared to mass murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent people.
>>719738240I meant for their names
>>719738458No she couldn't? He will constinue killing them until she does what he wants her to do.
>>719733621>Its single player campaign still influenced how other single player campaigns were designed in the eraCall of Duty campaigns were shitily copying the Half-Life games. Only a retarded zoomers would not know this.
>>719738390Faceless Boy refers to them as Aline's paintings. The fracture was caused by Renoir's fight with Aline which happened some time after Verso's death. They lived side by side because Aline painted them into Verso's Canvas to cope with her grief.
>>719738458Yes, in fact the painting would have been fone if the Dessandres weren’t a horrifically maladjusted family and Verso’s death didn’t break two of them. The fracture was just a big fucking family argument that got out of hand.
>>719738617I thought that referred to the painted family, not all humans.
>>719738685She made them all.And the only one she made from her chroma was verso too.
>another dogshit astroturfed Exshitition 33 thread>meanwhile actual GOTY wuchang will be ignoredi hate indians so much it's unreal
>>719737851>Renoir doesn't escape from anywhereah, another youtube summary watcher.
>>719738748All the painted immortals had the same protections. I still am not sure that Verso’s canvas had literally no people in it before Aline. The entire family worked inside the canvas for at least twenty years and Verso has probably painted a person or two if only for practice.
>>719738685.He talks about Esquie, the Gestrals, the Grandis but somehow forgets the humans you think he created?
>>719720283>He did literally nothing wrongHe manipulated and lied to everyone to get the goal he wanted. Even if Maelle was wrong, it doesn't make him right
>>719737928>pRenoir/pVerso/pAlicia/pClea are immortal in that world and clearly different than the Lumerians. They needed special powers to essentially gommage them.Which disproves your point. They are Aline's creations and yet they continue with or without Aline's presence. It is literally stated at several points in the game that the reason the Lumierans all die is because Renoir gommaged them, not because they are intrinsically linked to Aline or because her presence is needed to sustain them.
>>719738916Who do you think the giant faceless guy that follows you around is? The one you fight at the end of the game?>>719738847Wuchang ruined itself post-release, it’ll never be GOTanything.
>>719739010I'm not saying you are lying, but can you please present that evidence so I can 100% say you were right, that explicitly says Renoir was gommaging them every like 20 years.
>>719739025>Wuchang ruined itself post-release,What do you mean?
>>719739123He was gommaging them every single year. He was the “One who paints death”. He openly states his intention to destroy the painting repeatedly.
>>719737851do you just sort of space out whenever there are words on the screen? maybe it would help if they put subway surfer over each dialogue bubble?
>>719738847They are panicking because they know all organic discussion of E33 is already gone and it will be impossible to keep any threads up once Silksong and Silent Hill f come out.
>>719739170Didn’t you hear? The chinese government stepped in and literally made the story nonsense. You no longer can be allowed to kill any historical figures, which completely subverts the core story about acceptance of death. Now you walk around bonking people on the head and saving the resurrected emperor.
>>719720283Yeah man, the name Clair Obscur invokes the theme that everything is either black or white.Meaning there is an objective right and an objective wrong.
>>719739312But why did it only effect people who had only been alive for an X number of years then? Like people in their early 30's?
>>719720283No, he's dead. Who cares what dead faggots think.
>>719739312Anon who do you think the Curator is? An astral projection? After the end of the game, under the monolith is spoken of as foreboding. This is after Renoir is standing in Lumiere. Now who is sealed in the Monolith still?
>>719739484Because that’s how Aline decided to conserve chroma.
>>719739579Then why did Aline create pRenoir to basically kill all the expeditioners??
>>719739358China has historical figures? lmao
>>719739650Aline didn't create pRenour to kill expeditioners.
>>719739650Because the expeditioners were being used by Renoir to try and kill Aline. She created pRenoir to keep her company in her delusion, pRenoir decided on his own to start assassinating expeditions because of how Expedition 0 went.
Seems like Verso supporters are far more likely to not have quite understood what happens in the story. Maybe you guys should replay it once again and really think about what is going on.
>>719727439The literal devs themselves say that there is no good or bad ending, Verso himself literally says they're both hypocrites forcing their will on the other and retards still misunderstand. Media literacy is dead.>>719727496In Maelle's ending Verso's only thoughts are about himself. His ending is clearly a result of him being suicidal first and foremost. The saving Maelle aspect of it is just cope he tells himself to feel better about his suicidal tendencies.
>>719739789A civilization of humans is sustained by a demiurge and a dysfunctional family fights to either save or destroy them. Either this dysfunctional family is forced out and the civilization killed, or some members of the family die in the delusion and the dysfunctional family likely kills the civilization anyway.
>>719739865>verso's entire goal is suicideThis is retarded and I've only ever seen fags say it.
>>719739779Yes she did, I remember them saying she painted an unflattering image of the real Renoir and that real Renoir is much nicer than the one she painted.>>719739786What? Why would she create an evil version of her husband to keep her company when the real version is already trying with all his might to eject her in a bitter stalemate?
>>719735692>Yes, the dev have basically said [schizophrenic delusions]Nothing of the sort was stated. It was in fact confirmed the team disagreed internally on which is the "correct" one - with neither Guillaume Broche nor Jennifer Svedberg-Yen declaring an individual preference. You can prefer Verso's ending without lying, Versofag. But being a liar is likely why he resonates with you. Checks out.
>>719739789See things are they are, not how you want them to be
>>719740042>Yes she did,No she did not create pRenour to kill expeditioners.
>>719740037I pointed out objective facts that support my argument that wouldn't make sense if it wasn't true. If he actually cared more about Maelle's life than his own suicidal desires he would not have said "I don't want this life" would he? No is the obvious answer.
>>719740042Because she doesn’t want to be ejected, she wants to live in the fantasy world. pRenoir isn’t evil, he’s just very influenced by Aline’s worldview and wants to live forever with his complete family. The difference between Renoir and pRenoir is how widely their love is applied. Renoir loves his real family and values them above the painted, pRenoir loves both and wants to preserve the painted because Verso is there.
>>719740042She made pRenoir and asshole cause she was pissed at him and painted him how she saw him in that moment.
>>719740209When your delusional sister wants to kill herself to sustain you, “I don’t want to be sustained” is a good counterargument.
>>719739123https://youtu.be/owxC9Wdmdo0?t=266
>>719740328Sure but that's not what he said is it. His statement only talked about his personal situation and had nothing to do with Maelle's health.
>>719720283
>>719740448Because Maelle’s health goes without saying. Or do you think Verso seeing Aline collapsed on the ground choking on paint is just a coincidence before he full commits to jumping to a place he doesn’t even know if he can survive in. If it was just about being suicidal, he would just walk up to Renoir and ask to be poofed.
>>719725982>>719726208>>719726471She didn't recreate them, she put them back together. Why do you think the developers wasted all that time showing you how she collected the chroma of her party members and could only repaint those specific people? And no, making a clone is not the same. Ask painted Verso and Renoir. Another thing the game clearly and repeatedly showcased. Pearls before swine.
>>719726796enterShe can reform thembecause she collected their essence when they got gommaged. idiot
Did they explain why Aline's Lumière had a lot of Asians and niggers, but Alicia's Lumière only has white people in it?
>>719740772Alicia was redpilled through spending time with Verso who is racist.
>>719720283There is no good ending anon, they are all trying to deal with grief as best they can but don´t really have the tools to cope. Maelle is wrong because Verso is right, she lied to Renoir. It´s not preserving Verso´s soul what really drives her but her own pain. She can´t deal with the consequences, she is sixteen and just can´t. Her mistakes costs her brother his life, cost her her face, her voice and even if Clea did not denounce her the guilt is eating her alive. She can´t forgive herself, she can´t take it back and she´s going to have to carry that as long as she lives. She choose a world on which she is loved, everyone owe her their lives and everything is as she wills it even though deep down she understands the perfection of that world is not going to make her happy. Verso is wrong because, as Maelle his motives are egotistic. He tells himself that, as Verso, he needs to save Maelle and his mother. He paints it (pun intended) as a noble sacrifice but the truth is that he can´t deal with the knowledge of not being the real Verso. The people he loves are not his family, they belong to different worlds and he´ll never be the real thing. He is unable to grow up and to actually live, among the painted ones he´s probably the only one that doesn´t feel alive. He learned nothing from his journey and just wants to die. Renoir is wrong because he can see his family crumbling around him and is unable to do anything about it. Every man´s nightmare. True enough his actions are the most sane and rational but his motives are just as impure as those of his children. He just doesn´t want to survive them all, he feels completely and utterly alone and needs the women to get their shit together to not have to deal with everything by himself.
>>719720283His big mistake was letting Gustave die. If he was alive he would have been the third option that led to the ending where everyone is happy.
>>719740209If his entire goal was suicide he'd have supported Renoir. He seems to be thinking of himself as more than just a painting with all his talks to Monoco, Esquie, & Sciel and at the time he believes his mother is free and Alicia will leave of her own will once Renoir is out. However, all this falls apart when Aline returns and Alicia shows she has no intention of leaving. He even talks of seeing Julie again, he had plans on living a new life until he saw first hand the cost of that life. His sister and mother.
>>719740848I think Verso having egotistical reasons to also do what he thinks is right goes without saying, and while he is suicidal I think people overstress just how purely selfish he is. Painted Ciel killed herself, painted Alicia killed herself, it’s as easy as abandoning everyone to walk to Renoir and plead for death. There’s no way Alicia is a better painter then Renoir. Verso seems to also be thinking of Versoul.
>>719740927He even says the only reason he supported Maelle in fighting against Renoir was out of a final courtesy for them. He was always planning on doing the same thing Renoir was going to do anyway so indirectly he DID support Renoir.
>>719740772>Aline the painters guild demands that we put negroes into our works
>>719740850>led to the ending where everyone is happy.Except this is impossible. Maelle doesn't want to leave the canvas and return to the reality where her mother hates her and she can barely breathe. And Verso is tired of living and being immortal just for the sake of Maelle. They represent both extremes and a compromise between them is impossible
>>719739865Didnt the director said that Verso's was the good ending?
Gustave was based, he could have talked sense into everyone, hacked the matrix, and fix everything forever literally ever.The real story is about the loss of a genius and its consequences for eternity.
>>719740850I still think my biggest criticism of E33 is that they killed off Gustave too quickly and he quickly becomes irrelevant once you get to act 3 where Maelle basically entirely forgets about his existence. They tried to set Maelle up having lived exactly 16 years both inside and outside the painting to show that both are equally valid but at the end of the game she doesn't give a single fuck about Gustave and seems to basically only care about Verso.
>>719741480Why does that matter? And no.
>>719741480No he literally said that people who think it's the good ending "didn't get the game".
>>719741567Gustave is another soul for Maelle to save, it’s part of her savior complex by the end.
>>719727217she controls all the chroma in the painting at that point. she couldn't resurrect gustave before because renoir controlled almost all of the chroma instead.
>>719740927>If his entire goal was suicide he'd have supported Renoir.He didn't support Renoir because he knew Maelle would come out on top, and he wouldn't be in the position to manipulate or persuade her if he had sided against her. He was betting on the winning team with a view to manipulate them to his own ends at the end. I don't believe for one second he sincerely supported Maelle's mission, given that every other time he opens his mouth it's to lie.
>>719741567>They tried to set Maelle up having lived exactly 16 years both inside and outside the painting to show that both are equally valid but at the end of the game she doesn't give a single fuck about Gustaveliterally her final relationship event is about her confronting verso over whether he could have saved gustave or not. the only reason she forgives verso if he tells the truth is because she's already decided she's going to bring gustave back. act 2 maelle would have tried to kill him right there.
>>719741567Would you have introduced Verso around the same time or have him come in later? Its an exaggeration to say she forgets about him entirely. Her final 1on1 conversation is about Gustave, she revives him the second she can, and lives with him in her perfect world. I do agree there should have been a line or two from her showing more excitement about the prospect of reviving him. Maybe something during the very end when she's pleading with him about wanting to see Gustave. I think that would have been a good part because it also guilt trips the player.
>>719742176Maelle is the weakest painter in the family. Without him, her expedition would have been utterly doomed and she would have been killed and forced out of the painting, wherein he could have died freely.
>>719742176Then why did he flip out over PAlicia being erased? Seems like had he approached Renoir and said "open it, I'll do it" he would have gotten what he wanted if his goal is what you say. Instead, he's all for living a new life until he sees that life will cost the lives of his sister, mother, and by extension father and other sister.
>>719741480No, he was just annoyed that people consistently said it was the bad ending.Obviously he wanted it to be a point of discussion.
>>719742879>Then why did he flip out over PAlicia being erased?You don't get upset when your teammate ks's you?
>>719720283Yeah, but I still sided with Maelle because you know...
>>719744432>but I still sided with Maelle because you know...Go on.
>>719720283is this game actually worth playing or is it just overhyped normie slop?
>>719741598It definitely matters.
>>719720283It's funny. When I was a wee lad playing FFTA, I hated Marche. Now I'm in my thirties, and I find myself agreeing with Verso's choice completely.
>>719745102It's weebslop but without the anime artstyle nor the pantyshots.
>>719745102It's the best game made this year that I played, and I'm a big snob. The gameplay is pretty simple and ultimately a memorization game, but it's well animated and fun. The game breaks if you really try to break it, so avoid doing that.
>>719745183I just checked and it doesn't.
>>719725136>ahh
>>719745201I played FFTA but I don't remember, is there even a downside for them getting stuck in the world (was that a book?). Little bro was a king, but in a wheelchair in the real world, it's not like he could do like Alicia by painting another world.I feel like there were more reasons for them to stay in the book. No more Viera
>>719720283>He did literally nothing wrongHe killes Guschad just because he knew that Lune and Sciel would never fuck his lying nigga ass with a real man around.
>>719745656Yup, and I think that's the deciding factor for me - Ivalice was no longer a fantasy, it BECAME reality. Staying there isn't running away from your problems because they ARE your real problems. On the other hand, choosing to stay in the canvas as the outside world continues and your body rots away is the very definition of escapism. It's like assisted suicide... I can very much understand Mewt's and Alicia's viewpoints, however.
>>719746491>>719745656Also bunnygirls. Very important factor.
>>719739170Game had the player character fighting not only monsters but also several Ming dynasty-aligned human enemies/bosses and this caused chink players to have a meltdown (apparently they expected Manchu/Qing enemies instead of Han and it really made them seethe) so the devs panicked and made patch that censored the game in the weirdest way: the mc sexy outfits or her sweaty cleavage aren't modified but some specific bosses can't be killed anymore, they just go "ahaha this fight to the death was actually just a test, you may pass lol". And this absolutely ruin the story, its theme can be resumed as "you should let go of the dead" and the censorship completely shit on that by keeping some characters that should be dead alive.This also fuck with the difficulty since all the Ming mobs in one level stop being hostile. Only way to decently play is to rollback to an earlier patch.
>>719725424Yeah that was Verso, not painted Verso.
>>719746491Yeah, different circumstances.Didn't Mewt transform his old bullies into monsters? It's coming back to me a bit.Fuck, I'm still pissed at the game 20 years later because I somehow missed something to unlock Judge, and I could never finish the 300 missions...
>>719720283I don't know who's that and i'm not going to read the posts for spoilers, one thing is clear, the OST slap hardhttps://youtu.be/7BOH9LD1pdM?feature=shared
There are way too many people here that would unironically fall for Verso's bullshit as hard as Lune did. I cannot even fathom the level of existential cuckery she must have felt in this moment.
>>719720965every single time
>>719746930>after an entire life of sexless study>I fall for one prettyboy dick and he ends the fucking world
>>719746930Skill issue on her part. I could've successfully dicked the suicidal tendencies out of him
>>719746930Verso is right and stuff but ending is worth it for this moment alone.
>>719720283He killed thousands.
>>719720283>>719720768>>719720965>>719722128>>719722423>>719722495>>719723261>>719724609Siding with Verso shows that you are easily manipulated and lack critical reasoning ability.The endings are a social experiment. "If we present the bad ending where the villain wins and everyone dies as cute and bittersweet, and the good ending where the villain loses and everyone lives happily ever after as unnerving and dissonant, how many people can we fool into picking the bad ending and feeling morally justified about it?"It's not a surprise that /v/ is full of Verso-siders, since so much of /v/ is made up of stunted, sheep-like people who would follow a nazi leader into genocide at the blink of an eye.
>>719746957That's not unexpected coming from him. His first video talking about how he fell in love with the game, where he tried to explain the plot and gameplay: everything was wrong. At some point I was wondering if we even played the same game.
>>719747160Anon enslasvign a demiurge to power your extended suicide isn't typically seen as a good thing. Once Alicia is a corpse, if Verso doesn't stop painting out of despair, then his family certainly will end the painting.
>>719747012To be fair, he has really pretty hair and can play the piano
>>719747096Not even Esquie could. Are you saying your dick game is better than Esquie's?
>>719723097>she could have a change of mind
>>719747269"Genocide later" is still better than "genocide now". There's no ifs or buts about it. The only way someone would side with Verso is if they have no true concept of right and wrong, and would choose the life of one person over the lives of thousands just based on their feefees.And the peak irony is that the one person they "save" will go on to live an absolutely horrible life of being crippled, disfigured and mute, and never know happiness again. She's the one who would have reason to yearn for death, unlike Verso who's living a full life in peak physical shape with several lifelong friends who love him and women throwing themselves at him at every turn.
It's GOTY and you can't do anything about it.
>>719747538It's genocide+1 god
>>719747269It's funny how Aliciafags conveniently forget this kind of stuff.Is she really helping the people by staying inside the painting? It's as good as gone once she's dead.Hating on Verso because he doesn't tell them the truth? But they do love Monoco and Esquie, who both knows everything.You can be happy that Alicia gets her "good" ending, but they should stop pretending they care about the world and people.
>>719747413Yes. Give me 20 seconds and he'll see life's worth living
>>719747269Verso looks pretty happy to me.
>>719747105>Can't even look at herWhat a coward he turned out to be.
>>719747226what did he say about the plot
>>719747648Now wait until Maelle has a seizure and fucking dies in the middle of the painting.
>>719720283Yes
>>719747648>pretending you don't know that's one of Gustave's apprentices you've seen multiple times in the gamepoor bait
>>719747605>they do love Monoco and Esquie, who both knows everything.To be fair, one is the personification of Verso's dog and the other one is Verso's imaginary friend. They are never going to go against painted Verso's orders or wishes.
>>719747605Do you actually think Renoir is going to destroy that last piece of Verso's and her (assuming Alicia dies in the canvas) soul out of spite?
>>719747829It's straight up a different boy
>>719747940No, it isn't out of spite, that painting is a fucking mire that will kill even more family. Do you really think the mother is going to recover if her second child fucking kills herself in that same painting?
>>719720283>He did literally nothing wrongIndeed. I've never even watched the Maelle reason, why bother with the bad ending?
>>719747875I'm not denying that, but they are complicit to his plot, to his goal, helping him for years.Yet nobody hates them like Verso, not even a little bit.
>>719748057>if her second child fucking kills herself in that same painting?She hates that child so it's all good
>>719748118Yes, she's very emotionally mature and stable. She definitely won't become a mass of despair again.
>>719747269>Once Alicia is a corpse, if Verso doesn't stop painting out of despair, then his family certainly will end the painting.And how many generations away is that? Renoir has been inside the painting for 67 years, that's three generations at least, and we have no idea how much longer Aline has been in there before he entered. I'd wager significantly longer since he himself seems largely unaffected by the 67 years he's spent in there, and yet he was concerned enough about her health at the time to have entered. You could be looking at hundreds of years. Does the fact that our physical universe will eventually end, or at least become uninhabitable to life, mean that murder is morally negligible? These arguments from nihilism just don't work.
>>719747875Esquie was pretty clear he doesnt consider pVerso the real Verso. Similar but different.Now Moroco i gotta wonder, he actually ask in a chat with verso if his loyalty is real or just his programming and you get to aswer yes or no.
>>719747940I believe Renoir would, he has an angry side to him, and seeing his dead daughter would push him to the edge, not wanting it to break his already broken family even more.Clea definitely also would for other reasons, like cleaning a stain.
>>719747875They both perfectly make the distinction between the real and painted Versos and are at most bound to the first (and even that is doubtful, painted Verso is a creature of Aline yet goes against her). Just happens that the real and painted Verso had the same idea here.
>nothingYou didn't play the game
>>719748240Is god literally killing himself and preventing creation of more universes to artificially sustain this one?
>>719748240>It's okay because they get to live 50 more yearsThat's what makes you a retard. Listen, if you know your end is coming, you'd do everything to avoid it. Sucking up to Alicia will not work.That's what people are saying, that's why it's always laughable to see Aliciafags talking about "muh people's life".She's not their savior. She's another ticking bomb, the other last tragedy triggering the end of the world.
>>719748274You might be right about Clea assuming she even feels guilty about sending her in, but Renoir himself let her go despite knowing she was lying. I could see him repeating the gommage in a few days but if he actually respects her choice to die in there than not a chance.
>>719748463It becomes a tomb, why would he not put to rest the tombstones of two of his children?
>>719747829>>719748050The boy in Maelle's ending has very similar clothing to the fading boy. That said, that boy looks way chinkier than the apprentice or how a child Verso would look
>>719747605>Is she really helping the people by staying inside the painting? It's as good as gone once she's dead.>Life is only valuable as long as it lasts forever
>>719748563He said he didn't even want to destroy the canvas the first time around. Unless Aline (or even Clea LMAO) start clinging to it again I doubt it.
>>719748660It lasted forever before the family fucked around. Now it's on borrowed time of borrowed time and only the sacrifice of more gods can sustain it for a little while longer.
>>719729437Esquie supported pVerso. "Maman" is the worrd.
>>719748753Aline will absolutely cling to it again unless she has emotionally developed from the loss of Verso. This is worse than Verso's tragic death, this is her child choosing to die rather than even try to live.
>>719748753Yeah that's true, but he also knows the canvas is an addiction for Aline, and that it is hosting the remnants of Verso's soul, a kid who hated painting, stuck painting forever.Is that a gamble you'd take if you were Lune? I don't think so.
>>719748660Are you a boomer? That's literally the boomers philosophy>who cares what happens in 50 years from now on, I'll be dead
>>719748657I assume it is the faded boy. Verso takes his hand to walk off into oblivion, while Maelle takes his hand in hers during the seating at the opera house.
>>719736259>Paintress did not create Lumiere or the people inside itYes she did. Verso made the canvas, clea made most of the nevrons, renoir made the axons/axon nevrons, aline made lumiere and the humans
>>719736517Because he didn't find the courage to stop painting and pursue music until he was older, after he painted the canvas.
>>719741539>best post went by ignored Classic /v/
>>719737570>Gustave is some sort of dream version of Verso.No he's not> they look the same.No they don't
>>719742225That's because Maelle and Alicia are two completely different person you retard.
>>719741539He never got to meet her :(
>>719747269Its also hilarious how maellenigs literally can't see the similarities between the Lich King and Malicia. She unironically was commanding an undead army to defeat the hero (renoir), but since the cutscene has hype music and the zombies had cute sparklings nobody bated an eye of it. Malicia is evil incarnated.
>>719749442We see Aline teaching a child Verso how to play the piano in the monolith
>>719747481still could, when she notices the ugly paint rot on here eyes shed freak out and leave for a while
>>719748050literally the same hair. Let me guess, you thought the dress was white and gold instead of black and blue?
>>719748291They are still very much drawn and bound to p. Verso just by him looking and acting the same as Verso
>>719750020you must be faceblind anon
>>719747875Verso is Verso's cousin. They both recognize he's not their Verso, but because they agree with him, they help him out.
>>719749946And Clea played harp, painting was still her main focus in life. Verso didn't have the balls to tell his parents "I'm not going to be a painter" until he was older.
>>719747875They're both bound to Verso's soul, not painted Verso.Because Verso's soul is in pain, so are they, this is their motivation to help painted Verso out.
>>719749915>heroHe's a fucking retard who can't grieve properly without clinging to his wife. And it's ironic you mention an army of corpses.
>>719750202White and gold fags used that exact same line btw.
>>719748050>posts two pictures of the same boysame hair chin nose eyes cheeks ears. if it's not the apprentice, then it's not meant to be anyone, since that boy's model is also used several times in the intro segment while you walk around Lumiere, but to suggest it's specifically someone else is silly.
>>719750302>who can't grieve properly without clinging to his wifeThat's what a real man should do. Why else would you marry her?
>>719720454You mean white enough
>>719750302He doesn't want his wife to kill herself, which is sensible. It's hard to grieve when you keep being handed more corpses of family members.
>>719750302>He's a fucking retard who can't grieve properly without clinging to his wife.Saving aline isn't about grieving. Aline is killing herself, and he's going to stop it. The canvas is killing her. That is a fact.
>>719750302What the fuck are you talking about? He isn't grieving, he's trying to save his wife from killing himself. You've autism if you literally can't understand that he's a MAN, and men don't work on feelings but on objectives. He doesn't have time to grief while his family is still in danger.
>>719750408>>719750462>>719750465look at the post you're replying to, a lot of people who discuss this game have problems with their own family and it manifests with posts dripping with seething, nonsensical rage toward verso and renoir
>>719750302Renoir just wanted to uncuck himself and have Aline stop fucking his painted clone who probably got drawn with a bigger schlong
>>719750348It's so fucking funny how many faceblind autists here are in these threads.
>>719750673Actually, considering she was mad at him at the time, she probably gave him a micropenis.
>>719750748>that indian in the other thread who said they looked the samefucking kek
>>719750805>the madness caused by a constantly repainted penis
>>719750861>the sound of renoir approaching is not his cane, but his rock hard floor length cock
>>719722606>open video>close video
>>719750748Verstave is going to haunt my fucking dreams
>>719750553That's funny, reading what you said, it's just like Alicia's dialogue with Renoir after the last fight>Renoir speaking about his experience and knowledge in staying inside paintings>Alicia: I know precisely what's at stake! You want control, you want to feel like you're doing something>Proceeds to lie to her dad "yeah I'll be back for christmas"
>you have to go back to the real world, and live as a cripple with your insane and dysfunctional parents for the next ten or twenty years, before they die, and we have to kill an entire world in the processWhy?
>>719750748>Wild VERSO appeared>Go, DITTO!>DITTO used TRANSFORM
>>719751108Because the entire world is dying no matter what, it[s just a matter of whether or not the cripple is going with it.
>>719750929>Alicia... we are leaving
>>719751108Nobody was saying that. She can cope in her paintings until she dies, nobody cares. Just release your little brother's soul for fucks sake, you evil piece of shit. Stop keeping someone alive in a coma and just end his fucking misery. You have the power to play dollhouse anywhere you want, you don't need to keep him alive for your insanity.
>>719751108>insane and dysfunctionalthey're grieving, and will eventually stop grieving assuming they don't suddenly get handed a second dead child.
>>719751306play the piano.
>>719751108if her parents are insane, that makes alicia insane too, since she's just doing the same as her mom
>>719751108If you dislike Aline you dislike Maelle, they are 1:1 copies of each other.
>>719751418They're a toxic family unit. She's at least happy with her fake friends.
>>719751682They are not toxic, they are grieving. Learn the difference buddy.
>NO JUST LET ADDICTS DO DRUGS UNTIL IT KILLS THEM>HELPING THEM IS EVIL, YOU CANT TELL THEM TO NOT KILL THEMSELVESThis is essentially Maellefags arguments
>>719751860
>>719751860You have to remember you're on /v//v/ unironically worshipped Sword Art Online for its hot take on going into a virtual world and dying there instead of IRL.
>>719751860Honestly, why not? If they have nothing else, they can at least go out on their own terms.People don't have answers to stuff like this because "drugs bad".
>>719751918kek
>>719751967t. Druggie
>>719751918
>>719751918me on the right
>>719751860Seems like a parenting issue if they let their children grow up doing drugs
>>719752003nope. Very much clean. To the point that I kind of regret it, because a life of sobriety has not brought me joy.
>>719751967>Honestly, why not?From Renoir's pov? Because she's my daughter and I'm not letting her kill herself.>have nothing elseShe has a family>her family hates her/her family is shitYou're projecting your own problems onto them.
>>719751967>go out on their own termsIts not really their terms since they are doing it in your house essentially.Truth is if they had to do it in their own paintings they would probably just get sober.Which is that ending, mom/sister just having to move on.
>>719752084>he STILL hasn't beat the ravingsPoor decision making led you down the junkie path in the first place
>>719752093She has to live in the real world as a voiceless cripple. She's never having any kind of good life.
>>719752165Just seems like everyone who takes drugs is happier than I am. Taking drugs usually leads to experiences and friends. I'm here on 4chan. Who really won, in the end?
>>719752176Why doesnt she paint her own paradise then?Nothing stopping her.Shes not refusing to leave because shes crippled, she could be uncrippled in any painting.Shes refusing to leave because her brothers soul is there
>>719751730I can understand a lot of Aline's choices like making a new Renoir that enables her bullshit or giving her Clea a gigaChad bf to save her from becoming a spinster but keeping Alicia as a permanently scarred and mute burn victim, and forcing her to wear a mask was a dick move
>>719752176She's an exceptionally wealthy voiceless cripple. She can go find a middle class man that looks like hey brother and get stretched if she really needs it.
>>719752176She's crippled mute and scarred. She's also a rich wizard. She'll have plenty of hardships and opportunities that others wouldn't. People live with less. My recommendation is that you quit being a faggot.
Verso is a faggot and a liar
>>719752176>She hasshe doesn't, just paint another worldStop pretending she's forced to live as Alicia for the rest of her life just because the drawing of a little boy gets torn apart.Aline has hundreds of canvases, and so does renoir. Alicia can make her own and if she can't, she has over 50 years of REAL LIFE to learn that fucking skill.
How many weeks until Alicia hanged herself in the Verso ending do you think?
>>719747160>Valuing reality and your family over a escapist fantasy makes you easily manipulatedYou're not old enough to post here.
>>719752295Lune you died. Get over it
>>719752251Get off 4chan if it makes you sad retard lmao. Exercise eat healthy and practice a hobby that interests you, the building blocks of peace are fucking simple.
>>719752295Yea but hes also correct its cruel to force him to live in eternal agony rather than having his family fuck off.He wouldnt NEED to erase the painting if they would just all go away
>>719752295Verso splits mountains of women in half and is also a liar (stat bonus for the first)
>>719752251>Just seems like everyone who takes drugs is happierlol
>>719752253>Shes refusing to leave because her brothers soul is thereDoes she even care about that? I wouldn't make the last part of my deceased family's soul suffer something they hate for all eternity., that's literally the description of hell. And he even sacrificed himself to save her.She wants THIS life because people sees her as Maelle, and not Alicia. But she's Alicia.
Why would a family of painters that hate writers name their child Verso? That a writing term
>>719752373If I leave 4chan all I have is the rest of the internet where people don't talk to me, or I can engage with some media, or look at a wall. I'm not here because I like it.
>>719752476>Does she even care about that?Yes. Not to protect it, but to delude herself into feeling like he's still alive and she didn't kill him. Same as Aline but more motivated.
>>719752401>Ozzy Osboure>took drugs>fucked up his brain>tried to murder his wife>beloved by millions>MeYou wouldn't know me.
>>719752326Why should she be allowed within fifty feet of a canvas ever again? Her mother, fine, I think without her son's canvas she'll be capable of moderation. But Alicia? She will absolutely spend as much time as possible in another canvas if it means not living with the pain or judgment or inability to speak. You can't just give a junkie their fix. She should be banned from painting and find a good husband.
>>719752532read books and go outside nigger>>719752602for every oz there's a million trash junkies that stab someone in a dark alleyway and die in their own shit.
>>719752564That's an interesting angle I've never thought about before. That makes sense.
>>719752602>You wouldn't know me.And that's better than knowing a piece of shit like Ozzy.
>>719752642I do read books and go outside.The junkies have friends.
>>719752726>The junkies have friends.You haven't read about junkies if you think they have friends.
>>719752564That's fucked up, she's literally insane, like cutting your dick off types of insane.
>>719752825I'd be fucked in the head too if I killed my brother. She needs to face reality and heal mentally.
>>719725581Verso should have just let her die in the fire. Then none of this shit would be a problem
>>719751108>and we have to kill an entire world in the processdo you think this every time you delete your sims save file? that world isnt real
>>719753161God dammit Clea stop posting.
>>719752251Taking drugs, and being completley addicted to drugs are two different things. I can drink a beer and hangout with my friends, but if I drink until I blakcout every day, my friends would hate me.
I've always been fascinated by Clea because unlike her mother and sister, she went full John Wick on the Writers.I hope the sequel is about the Writers story and ends with Clea fucking their shit up.
i will never forgive myself for banging the town slut who hasn't even got over her husband yet and locking myself out of romancing best girl Lune
>>719753506You can still fuck Lune as long as you don't fuck Sciel again after the swimming lesson
>>719753592really? i'd already completed Lune's relationship by the time i got to the swim lesson and rejected Sciel for the first time
>>719753506If you truly love Lune you'd save her from getting dicked by Verso's lying ass especially if you were already banging Sciel on the side
