RIP indie devs
>>719723852they know we can buy two games, right?
>>719723852I hope it does. And I'll help by saying "why should I buy this when I can buy Silksong for $20" whenever I see something more expensive.
Silksong's $20 Price Tag is Faschist. Here's How This Affects the LGBTQIP-Scene
When it ends up being a 2 hour experience, that's going to be the complaint.
but if ALL the games are cheap I could just buy ALL the games, did these stupid idiot retards ever think about that?
Why is an indie game priced over 20 anyways. >monkey_island_ending.jaypeggy
>>719723852most indie devs are at that price tag or lower
I have never bought an indie game over 10, let alone 20and even then over 5 is a very rare occasion
I don't buy most indie games at full price. I will buy this at launch because it's actually reasonably priced.
>>719723852$20 is hitler coded. think of all the greater judea game devs who wont be able to release their indie slop at $40
>>719724345Yeah but journalists and redditors are complaining that it's too cheap
>hollow knight+sequel too lowEvil!>factorio too highEvil! What the fuck do these people want
>>719723852
>Indie games should cost more!>says journo most likely paid indirectly by AAA companies
>>719723932If one is $20 and the other is $90?No, we can't. And I'll never buy a game until it's under $10 anyway.
>>719723852>we hate capitalist pigs!! >WHAT THE FUCK CHERRY!! RAISE YOUR PRICE IT"S HURTING OUR BOTTOM LINE WE NEED MORE MONEY :(The absolute fucking state of libtard indies
silksong is like the personification of that .webm where all the dogs bow and kneel to the white dog all indie devs cower and return to their kennels
>>719723852Honestly this is such an overblown concern. At some point everyone will have finished playing and replaying Silksong and will want another game. They'll pay $25, $30, $35 even $40 if the game is something they want and saying Silksong was $20 isn't going to matter because they've already consumed it.
>>719723852It's antisemitic. Remember whenever corpos pretend to care about "the little guy" and "muh mom and pop shops!" they are simply defending THEIR OWN bottom line. Make no mistake, the interests of the petty bourgeois don't align with the interests of actual capital. They are afraid.....
>>719724653this basically
>>719723852>NOOOOO I CAN'T MILK MY AUDIENCE DRY AAAAAH I'M GOING INSANE HELP ME EPIC GAMES TIMMY-SAMA
>>719724556They want only games of their faggot friends being released.
>>719724556To bitch, mainly.Remember that the modern (((journalist's))) job is to amass clicks.
>>719723852>YOU CAN AFFORD $80 GAMES AND THE MARKET IS SHOWING THIS>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT PRICE YOUR GAME AT $20 THEN NO ONE WILL BUY OUR INDIE GAME FOR $25Why are they kvetching? They say we can afford $80 games as the new norm, but buying 2 indies for < $50 is too much.Curious...
>>719723852Just like make game worth paying $20 lmao
Literally forever>indies are the best!>indies are the hope!Now>Silksong can't be $20, it will ruin the entire industryMakes you wonder WHO these journalists are connected to. A lot of rich people probably got "indie" games in development
>>719724556clicks
>>719723852The weak will perish, allowing better indie devs to rise
>>719723932I don't play two games at once.
>>719723852No one's gives a fuck about silksong shut up
>>719724289>.jaypeggyI wish they were called this. So much sovl
>>719724289
>>719724523>Journos and redditorsFuck em
>>719724556when it comes to situations like that, people want what THEY want, even if it's hypocritical in nature
>>719725232
>>719724556I think the nature of the complaint is that due to either quality or amount of content, Hollow Knight will be used as a weapon against other indie devs. Like, this game was $20 and had all this, why doesn't your $20 indie game?
indie devs don't need to charge more than 20$
I've been spamming threads on steam early access discussions asking how they can justify their price when silksong is $20
>wont somebody think of the poor pixel art/allegory for depression indie games?!?!?
>>719723852I don't get it. Indie devs are like 90% commie trannies, but as soon as one small company decides to fairly price their game for consumers they all start reeeing uncontrollably.
I don't care about the Hollow Knight series, but this whole storm over Silksong has been way too entertaining.
To me a nice mental guide I use for prices is something like.2-3 usd for something like tetris, tic tac toe or checkers.5 usd for a basic arcade game.10 usd for a 2D jrpg or 3D beatemup.15 usd for a 3D jrpg.20 usd for an A game.
>>719725232>>719725375>Some point and click believes that it can dictate how much real games can chargeThat's why I hate the Monkey Island franchise.
>>719723852Silksong was supposed to be DLC in the first place and its priced fairly as a large DLC expansion.
>>719725625>Friend keeps telling me how he's practicing gamedev>He never "had a proper idea for a game" when asked>One day he's extremely excited about his game idea>It's a game about depression
>>719725693It’s because they want to sell their shit for like 50 bucks
>>719725693It's because they know deep down their game isn't even worth $20 and Silksong is mogging the fuck out of them at that price point.Fuck em, they should make better games that they have faith in
>>719725884For me its>Anything if I feel like its worth itI haven't bought anything in 7 years
>>719725985does your friend live in a bubble? how can he possibly be unaware of that old and tired trope? We’re talking over 15 years
>>719725693It's a nepotism circlejerk of "indie devs" and silksong devs aren't part of it.
>>719723852>screenshot of an articleJourno spotted.
>>719724595If an indie game is $90, I wouldn't be buying it anyway. Unless it's something with content on the same quality and scale as a well made AAA game.
>>719723852Wasn't Hollow Knight always like $15, or am I just remembering a discounted price?
>>719725985it's the only subject he has enough experience with to make a game about. go hug your friend
>>719723852FUCK indie devs, these bitch-made HOES are crying because they want to price their games higher, (because they are BITCHES) and if silksong succeeds at 20 bucks then won't have an excuse to do so. Same as when BG3 was being praised by every Tom, Dick and Harry and everyone in the """"industry"""" collectively went out of their way to say "hey dont expect this from us".FUCK INDIE DEVSFUCK AAA DEVS FUCK ALL DEVSI'M ALSO WORKING ON A GAME, AND FUCK ME TOO, I DONT DESERVE TO GET PAID FOR ANY CHILDREN'S TOY I MAKE.
>>719726326Yes, it launched at $15, making $20 for Silksong a perfectly logical priceThe fact that it's causing indie dev butthurt is a bonus
Is the first game worth playing if you don't 100% it or care about lorefaggotry?
>>719723852Good! I hope more shitty derivative indie games flop and I hope the indie scene as a whole implodes. It’s just AAA 2.0 with how these devs milk the same exact fucking genres. There’s barely any passion left, just people scraping the barrel and trend chasing. Oh, Vampire Survivor was a hit? Here’s 1000000 identical clones, because the game is just so good and needs to be a new subgenre. Get the fuck out of here. We are sick of it. You only care about money, so lose your job and go homeless.
>>719723852CHERRIED
>>719726326it was fine as a new title. now that they have an established franchise and silksong is guaranteed to sell well, the greedy fucks can't wrap their head around not cranking up the price to dig deeper in the player's pockets
>>719723852Games should honestly be cheaper considering they're competing with the classics that released decades ago and can be played for free.
>>719723852>journos yet again taking a single retarded xeet and astroturfing a heated discourse out of itgenuinely who fucking caresalso buy an ad
For every cool and down to earth indie dev there making a game, are 10,000+ greedy little bitches out to make money
>>719726367>Our game is $35>Silksong was $20>then play Silksong again>but I finished it, give for $20 ('/\')>wait for a sale>I want it now!!!111 (buys game)
>>719726367>YOU ACTUALLY EXPECT TALENT AND HARD WORK IN EXCHANGE FOR MONEY??? OY FUCKING VEY, SHUT IT DOWN, THIS 7 HOUR UE5 WOKESLOP MOVIE IS THE STANDARD, STOP LOOKING AT BG3I hate these people so fucking much. They want more money for less work, unions, 2 month long vacations…
>>719726475ehhhh kind of. I think I ended up with 101% but don’t exactly look back on my time fondly. It was more irritating than anything
>>719723852I'm not going to buy this game, this collective meltie the indie devs have over this game is peak entertainment.>MOMMY!!!! Silksong did something again and it made me shart my diaper out of fear!!! HELP!!!
>>719723852NOOO YOU CAN'T HAVE A BREAK OUT SUCCESSFUL TITLE AND PRICE IT AT ONLY $20 NO ONE WILL BUY MY SLOP
>>719723852But Deltarune as a full game already costs 25 bucks. Silksong being 20 isn't going to define jack shit for the indie scene.
>>719723932With people complaining about $80 games, it makes seems like people are broke or don't have this thing called a credit card.
>>719723852Wait are indie games over $20? I looked at Silksong and thought $20 was a little on the high side. Most indies should be $10 max
>>719723852i will now buy your game
>>719726920They do have credit, but it's all going towards food delivery services because they're either too lazy or don't have the time to make their own meals or otherwise drive out for the food.Remember, this is America we're talking about.
>>719723852I CAN STOP PRICE ANXIETY WITH MY FREAKIN' MIND
>>719726920a credit card isn't free money you retarded child
>>719727049Yes it is>I use card for shit I want anyways>I pay off my card>I get reward points>I turn my points in moneyThat’s free money
I have silksong fatigue
I WANT MORE MONEY FOR MY SHITTY METROIDVANIA SOULSLIKE SURVIVAL CRAFT. GIVE ME MORE MONEY FOR MAKING SHITTY PRODUCTS THAT SHOULDNT EVEN EXIST. I AM AN INDIE DEVELOPER AND I BET MY ENTIRE LIFE SAVINGS AND QUIT MY DAY JOB TO MAKE A ROGUELIKE DECKBUILDER WITH VAMPIRE SURVIVOR ELEMENTS. WHAT DO YOU MEAN NO ONE WILL PAY $40 FOR IT? CAPITALISM DID THIS TO ME………..
>>719725375Also adjusted for inflation.
If Silksong can charge only $20 for such a massive and good game, maybe the problem is that other indie devs overvalue their own slop
>>719727495I TOOK OUT A LOAN ANON I NEED TO PRICE MY METROIDVANIA CLONE CLONE AT $40
>>719727461>>719725375>>719725232>>719724289Adjusted for modern gayming industry state
I thought the whole point of the indie scene was that these people were making games out of passion and not greed like AAA companies. But all I see is these fags talking about money now?
>>719724556>Hollow Knight and its sequel cost $20 and lessMade by benevolent bro developers>Factorio costs $35Made by greedy followers of Satan
>>719727495>massive and good gamelmao game isn't even out, maybe it's not as massive and good and the price tag begins to make sense
>>719727694Every dipshit nigger on here defended the Factorio devs being giga greedy kikes because trannies or some shit. People here are cattle
>>719727690Welcome to the modern indie scene, it's become as soulless at the AAA sceneThe bar for entry has never been lower, which is great for those who are actually passionate about making good games, but it also allows for a flood of uninspired trend-following cashgrab slop from idiots who have no place making games
>>719727690Indie's been fractured into passion projects and greedy twats ever since Kikestarter gave birth to some of the most influential indie games of the 2010's, never mind jews like Serenity Forge and Fangamer who can hook your game up with merchandise in exchange for selling your soul.
>>719727690There are passionate indie devs out there like with Team Cherry, but I would garner a guess that the scene is filled with greedy fucks who just want to make money instead of games
>>719726839>deltaruneOh yeah, THAT happened. Why does it seem like chapters 1 and 2 made a huge splash but I barely see anything about the ones that just came out?
>>719723852This is just the whole BG3 "controversy" again but for indiefags.>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T HAVE A QUALITY GAME AT THIS PRICE POINT YOU'RE LITERALLY KILLING THE POOR DEVELOPERS YOU MONSTER, THEY CAN'T BE EXPECTED TO MATCH THIS WITH THEIR OWN PRODUCT
>>719727932anon... there have literally been multiple deltarune threads here every day since 3+4 came out
>>719727495that’s precisely the reason for all of the butthurt. If team cherry can price their game at $20 people are going to start questioning why the latest AAA, EA/Ubislop shit needs to be $80
>>719727853>studio making a soulslike metroidvania>passionateIf they were passionate, they wouldn't decide to make a game in two overdone as fuck genres.
>>719727734It’s safe to say silksong is at least as big as hollow knight
>>719727932Because Toby's less of an indie dev nowadays and more just a regular dev thanks to how many connections he has in multiple artistic industries, thus anything Deltarune does isn't considered newsworthy by most outlets until the full game is completed.That's purely looking at it from the mainstream and "journalistic" lenses though, looking at it from the internet culture lens Deltarune simply has the same problem as everyone else that focuses are constantly shifting, no matter how massive you are, so only your fandom remains after the novelty period wears off.
>>719727690Yep. No one, I repeat NO ONE has ever made something like a roguelike deckbuilder with vampire survivor elements because they see it as true art or what they really want to make. It is solely to try and be the next “hit” indie darling like Balatro or Undertale. The problem is that these games did well because they were good and authentically made, the trendchasing slop is so obvious and soulless that any real gamer can sniff it out from a mile away
>>719727690They are losers, who failed at life and pretend they are indie devs because of choice.
>>719728131>if they were passionate they would make something that I like
>>719728131cope seethe and dilate no skill tranny
>>719727690How do you think they fund the game you retard?
>>719727690You read an article headline and attached it to a bunch of indie devs. What was the last indie game you know of that cost $30 let alone $40
>>719723852Since when is 20 atypical for indie? 10-20 is probably most of them
>>719728279>>719728294Hollow Knight is not original, it’s just competent
>>719723932They mean the jewdie devs who release EAslop for $30+
>>719727932At least we had deer rape.
>>719728279Soulslike metroidvanias are probably one of the most oversaturated, corporatized indie genres. Hollow Knight came out right at the start when these games were being made so it gets a pass. Everything else though is just so dead and soulless
>>719728421like?
>>719728319They get a job?
>>719728439Haven't indie games been shackled to being like 20ish dollars for a decade? Nonody is buying 30+ dollar indie games, even 25 is a very big stretch.
>price anxietyGet a life lmao.
>>719723852What indies are even over 20? Factorio, Rimworld, and...?
>>719728203It also doesn’t help that it was like 4 or 5 years in between chapters 2-3
AAAAIIIIIEEEEE DON'T MAKE ME DEVELOP A GOOD GAME AT A FAIR PRICE POINT NOOOOOOO
>>719727049I already wont get a house or car so if i dont pay off my debts its free money
>>719728476It might sound crazy but did you know you can be passionate about something even if it's oversaturated?What are you passionate about, anon?
>>719728589What these trannies want is the cuphead DLC model. Where the devs took 7 years to make a 2 hours of content and still made a shitload of money
>>719728570I’ve never spent more than $5 on an indie game. This shit is a mystery to me. It must be Nintendo fans or something that never bought a game under $60 because Steam has always had dirt cheap indie games for over a decade
>>719728610I’m passionate about good video games that aren’t soulless corporate dogshit made to chase trends. I’m guessing you’re the opposite?
>actually passionate and original indie devs charge like 20$ or less for their games, typically less than 10$ on sale and goes on sale frequently>indie devs making soulless clones of other successful games want to charge >20$ for their one man project
>>719728708It's not just "Nintendo fans," but a combination of these factors. For a long time, the PC market has been defined by a constant race to the bottom in terms of pricing, while the console market, particularly Nintendo's, has maintained a more premium price point for its games, including indies. This is why you'll see a lot of people who are used to Steam's pricing be shocked by the cost of the same indie game on a platform like the Switch.
how many +$20 indie games are there even?
>>719727690We're in the middle of a gold rush. The "indie" scene is flooded with "prospectors" looking to get rich quick just like hollow knight/balatro/binding of issac/ftl/etc. They don't understand what they're getting into, they don't know why the big winners got rich, they just know there's gold in them thar hills and they want it. Just like the prospectors of literal gold rushes most walk away with little to nothing, and only those who either understand how to actually find gold (Make a good game), or else get extremely lucky, actually come out on top.
Best indie of year so far (StarVaders) is already that cheap.
>>719728672kind of a disingenuous analogy because cuphead itself was made with tons of passion and was also only like 15 bucks
>>719728745You're passionate about shitposting on /v/ which ironically enough, is extremely oversaturated.
>>719728476Souls was getting super popular right as HK was being developed so it's hard to deny they weren't at least partially chasing that trend.
>>719728848You don’t need to bring PC vegan shit into a thread that has nothing to do with Nintendo you welp. Eshop has sales all the fucking time with deep discounts. You would know this if you owned a switch
>>719728848>consoletards so buck broken they genuinely cannot fathom games being under $60tell me again how consoles ARENT killing the games industry?
I do kinda wish it would cost more and I'll tell you why. Every time I pirate a game I make a mental note of how much I saved. Later, when I buy a game I for some reason can't pirate (DRM or multiplayer), I subtract the money from that mental account of money saved and that way I get tgat game too for free. So if Silksong was $40, that would be half a new full price game but a $20 game is barely going to buy me anything. Well, it all adds up in the end.
>>719728583Rimworld is like $100+ with the DLCs isn’t it?In total it’s probably the most expensive Actually Indie game I can think of.
>>719728872whos the shovel seller in this scenario?udemy?unity?game maker studio?rpgmaker?
>>719729032you could have avoided typing all of that and just said “I’m autistic” it would have gotten the point across all the same
>/v/ is filled with broke faggots who can't afford $20
>>719728961this post doesnt make any sense. It should be "you don’t need to bring Nintendo shit into a thread that has nothing to do with Nintendo you welp"
>>719728961>You would know this if you owned a switchWhy would I buy a switch?
>>719729096If those were the rules this place would have been closed long time ago. If it ever would have been created in the first place.
>>719727808Because there's 1.2 other games like Factorio to satisfy the immense autism Factorio can satisfy.If there's a single drug you consume, you don't mind paying a bit more because it's the fucking shit and you're addicted and no one else is offering anything like it and you're afraid your dealer will disappear if people diss him too much.
>>719728672My guilty pleasure is reading reddit opinions complaining about gayms being too long just for these kind of games to always flop with like 5k peak players. Somehow it's trendy to want 5hr games nowadays
>>719728907I never beat hollow knight but I put 30~ hours into it and I don't understand the soulslike comparison. There's checkpoints that heal you and you collect stuff when you die, is that literally all it takes?
>>719729056Steam, with their $100 fee to list a gameAlso any engine that you have to pay fees to release commercial games
>>719727690Look, lets take the most reasonble steelman argument for indies who are worried about money. For a lot of them, this is their job, and they need to make enough money to survive. Now, many of them probably should have other jobs until they can actually support themselves by making games, and thats kind of part of the problem. Too many people who lack creativity, passion, and talent just go all in on making games completely derivitive of something else because its what they want to do. They never stop to ask themselves "am i making something that other people will genuinely want to play and want to pay me for the opportunity to do so".
>>719723852>silksong will be overpriced in my countrystill buying
No video game ever made has been worth more than a single 20 dollar payment for the full package which includes things lime DLC and bonus sound tracks, etc.
>>719729045>Rimworld has over $100 in DLCWhy are rimworld fags accepting that. I can’t imagine these DLCs have that much more than what some of the mods have to offer
>>719723852Look I know the economy is in rough shape but come on, this is a ridiculous amount of panic and upset about an anticipated indie game having a standard indie game price.
>>719729420It's the typical thing of devs that don't put as much effort into their games getting scared people will raise their expectations a little. It also happened with baldur's gate 3 and AAA studios.
Indie games should never be more than $20.Games that are on the same scale as DS, PSP, Vita. and 3DS games used to be should never be more than $40 since that was also the max price of handheld games back then.And big AAA games that have hundreds of staff members and big budgets shouldn't be more than $60 and publishers have a problem with that, then stop inflating your budgets like you're making a Hollywood movie. I didn't fucking ask you to do that. I never asked to see individual pores on a faggot's face.
>>719729056Engine devs like unity and epic's unreal fit the metaphor best, they cash in no matter how successful the Prospector is. Steam is more the jewlery companies that buy the gold after it's found, since steam profiting off of your game is dependant on your game actually selling, list fee aside.
>>719724556extremely high price on release then cratering down to $10 in 3-6 months and $1 in 12 months
>>719729221>I want shorter games that look worse and have devs be paid more. No I am not kidding It’s difficult but you really have to put yourself in the mind of a redditor dweeb
>>719727681Please skin edit them to dark skin please
>indie game sells for standard indie priceslow news day?
>>719729045the DLCs are abhorrently expensive but the modding scene is so huge and relatively unreliant on DLCs that you can play more than sufficiently without them. Ive been playing for a thousand hours since B17 and dont have any of the DLCs
>>719729790Guess they got bored trying to talk about the files.
>>719729632>stop inflating your budgets like you're making a Hollywood movie. I didn't fucking ask you to do that. I never asked to see individual pores on a faggot's face.based and same. I always say GRAFIX fags ruined videogames. We could have stopped at Gen 6 and I’d be perfectly content
>>719729790The standard indie price is 30-40 dollars these days
>global economy in shambles>everyone cutting shit out of their budget to make ends meet>AAA games failing left and right>studios shuttering and people losing their gamedev jobs>NOOOOOO IF INDIES ARE 20$ THEN HOW THE FUCK ARE WE SUPPOSED TO MAKE MONEY!?!?!wouldnt the correct solution here be lowering prices even further to capitalize on the glut of people with not that much money to splash on entertainment? Like the whole friendslop epidemic is about making a 5-10$ game and then using word of mouth to have some dude convince his friends to buy a copy.
>>719723852>my OC donutsteel retro throwback sidescroller is worth more than $30Any indie dev who thinks like this probably won't be humbled. They'll just wait for Silksong to pass before shitting on a plate and demanding 30 dollars plus tip.
>>719729986No they’re not
Wasn't Expedition 33 $50?
>>719729986The whole complaint is that that's not true and a bunch of shitdevs were hoping Cherry would jack the price to try and force it to be standard.
>>719724595>Indie game>$90What the fuck reality you live in?
>>719723852imagine if all the worlds problems where this trivial
>>719730109E33 isn’t an indie game, they have a publisher, they’re just a smaller team with a lower budget. It’s a AA game
>>719729739>put yourself in the mind of a redditor dweebImpossible. I think they just hate gaming desu. They have a "backlog" with hundreds of games that they "need to finish". Like it's a job or something
i shit on indie scene. all their games are garbage. they are tallentess cocksuckers who cant make games to save their lives.
>>719723852$20 seems like a logical price for an indie game though. Am I retarded?
I don't understand all the fuss with this. So, one game comes out with a good amount of content for $20. Players rush out and buy it and beat it. Some do a few replays. Then what? They are only allowed to play nothing but Silksong for the rest of their lives? They just avoid buying anything else ever again? I remember downloading Cave Story back in the day for free, and that game is great. Guess I'll never buy a game ever again until one can beat the price value of Cave Story. These people have no passion or belief in their product. What a bunch of retards.
>>719730265>_____ fan excited to play game for the first time!!this is how I imagine all of /r gaming
So just because you are indie you HAVE to stay in your lane and stay at a certain price range regardless of content and quality?
>>719730371It’s because silksong being priced at $20 makes their shitty games look even shittier. It’s strange though because I don’t remember this amount of butthurt over Cuphead being $15
>>719729986Name 5 right now.
>>719723852>NOOOO YOU CAN'T RELEASE A QUALITY GAME THAT'S A STAND ALONE EXPERIENCE PEOPLE WILL LIKE YOU'RE LITERALLY AN ECONOMIC TERRORIST AND RESPONSIBLE FOR GAME DEV UNEMPLOYMENT
Would this controversy even exist if they gave out Silksong for free?
>>719730371other game devs are fearmongering that they’ll actually have to put out a more viable product than silksong at a comparable price, or else users will question why silksong which is only 20$ is so much better then their indieslop that’s 35$. Essentially bad developers are shitting themselves that they won’t be able to compete with the price/quality ratio of silksong and will be forced to lower their prices to compensate. its honeslty a good thing
>>719730414It’s the same mentality of thinking “indie” is a genre >oh it’s an indie game!so like, a side scroller? a platformer? turn based rpg?
>>719730414try and make a game that looks better than newgrounds circa 2008 and we'll talk
>>719730414Silksong proved that one of the few indie games with outstanding levels of content is quality only goes for $20, so yes. Price your shit accordingly using it as reference from now on.
>>719723852Affordable things are LITERALLY terrorism! This is why we NEED government enforced price fixing!
>>719730371it’s because they can’t sell their 2 hour “faggots depression quest towards transitioning” story game for $20 if something like Silksong is the same price
>>719730509It would get even worse.>Silksong’s free price tag sets a dangerous precedent that consumers should expect free labor from indie devs
I thought this was already included in some bundles. Are they gonna pay $20?
>>719730558Outlast Trials is literally an indie game at $40
>>719723852Holy shit, they are really trying to protect the hold their little "community of mediocrity" has on the game industry, huh? Get us to expect less, then just progressively step down the quality so nobody ever has to innovate or try new things.
>>719724556They want to whine on the internet. It's their hobby, unironically.
>>719730414If you want to sell you set your product at a price people are willing to pay. That's how it's worked for every kind of good or service since the concept of barter was invented. If you think your product is worth X, well that's all fine and dandy but if you can't convince the public it's worth X then you aren't gonna sell it for X. Too damn bad.Being an indie game puts expectations on the quality of the product, because by your own admission you don't have anyone to help with the funding. People will consider that when determining what price is Fair and if you want to increase the price you're going to need to work hard to justify that.
>>719730683I think it’s “free” if you were a kickstarter backer
>>719730551Silksong isn't even the only thing shitting on these devs. There's plenty of games that exist and will continue to be released that will have amazing value for the price. Some will even be free passion projects on occasion. Why is it just Silksong receiving this treatment?I'm working on a solo game, and I already know I will never beat Silksongs' price for quality/content. I don't give a fuck. There's plenty of games that will always annihilate my product.
>>719730414No. Just don't act surprised when people don't buy Babby's First Platformer for $50.
>>719730573>AAA Game with no content for $80GOOD>Indie Game with content for $20BAD
>>719724556both are seething poorfags trying to be greedy>hollow knight+sequel too lowthis means other indie devs are mad because it will be harder to sell their slop at higher prices when they're offering much less than silksong>factorio too highthat's poorfag players who want every game to be +75% off
It’s crazy that 20-25 years ago you could just search “free flash games” and have a plethora of fun. Nowadays those same games (or even worse) are being sold for $5+
>>719725985How come we rarely get the other less cool mental illnesses? Like autism. I want an earthbound inspired jrpg about autism
>>719730937because now you can't profit from pop up ads blasting sound everytime someone opens a website
>>719730937Shh don’t mention that people used to actually make shit for no monetary incentive back then. $20 metrovania is the height of passion project
>>719730646But once you beat Silksong and have no desire to play it again. And that same person is interested in playing a two hour long depression slop. Their choices are buying it or pirating it. I don't see why Silksong existing is going to make people suddenly not interested in the things they are interested in. Maybe it'll cause some lost sales, but adapt or die I guess.
>>719730854It would be nice if AAA games learned from this lesson in humbleness, but everyone knows they'll either ignore it or make up excuses to keep their games at that price range.And that's before GTA6 comes out at $100 and bumps it further up.
>>719730839Silksong has a massive amount of publicity right now just because it was radio silent in development for the better part of a decade. If people weren’t treating its release like a half life 3 confirmation, im sure there wouldn’t be nearly this much speculation about its pricing affecting other games. Even games like Factorio still get shit on because the devs refuse to put it on sale, yet its one of the highest rated games on steam and its such a niche genre that it has minimal effect on other games.what’s your solo game like
>>719730937Nah indie games today are bigger, deeper, and higher quality than flash games.
>>719731295and many are objectively less fun than some shitty flash game from 2002
>>719731041You joke but there’s an entire generation of kids and 20+ year olds who have no idea what the internet was like 2000-2007
>>719731196It’ll always be in the back of peoples minds >damn I paid $20 for this shit? Silksong was the same price it may or may not have a lasting effect and I kind of hope it does
>>719723852It's... not our problem. Do these types of terrible opinions show up in other industries, like music or something?
>>719731031Probably because tismos don't want to make games about autism. They want to make weird platformers with tight controls, sonic-like speedrunner bait, fetish shit, or puzzle games.The people who make depression games are posers who self diagnosis anyways.
>>719730893>it will be harder to sell their slop at higher pricesI wish. Normalfags would pay any price to play whatever their favorite streamers told them to buy. RimWorld is an indie game and it costs $150+, and the price will only go up since it gets new DLCs every year.
>>719727690everything is about money nowremember how back in the day people would make videos on youtube just out of passion, or for lulz or just because they felt like making a video, all in exchange for some useless subs and to see other people comment on your videonowadays if you have a hobby and you're a decent and the thing, people will immediately tell you to try turn it into a business or try make some money out of it somehow. i mean if you can earn money doing something is good, but that's not the point, and some people seem to not understand that you can do stuff just for the sake of itit's about videogames, it's about music, film, or whatever elese, there's less and less genuine people in this world, and everyone just thinks about moneyi hate this fake and gay world so much it's unreal, i wish world ended in 2012
They kinda killed my indie game with a 20 dollar price point.
>>719731804I often think the same thing. It seems unique to the game industry where devs feel entitled to money and entitled to sales and an audience simply for existing and will lash out on their personal accounts when they don’t get the results they feel entitled to
>>719731914>you have a hobby and you're a decent and the thing, people will immediately tell you to try turn it into a business or try make some money out of itholy SHIT why is it like this?!
>>719732041Make it $10 and maybe I'll buy it when it's 90% off.
>>719732041?????? What does this game have to do with a 2D metroidvania?
>>719730937most actually good free flash games got commissioned by the websites. there's an armorgames / addictinggames / crazymonkey trailer in front of most of them,read this post on addictinggames to unlock an extra line.
>>719732041Your neuroticism is killing your game
>>719730573Dude, silksong is NOT fucking indie they are a multimillion-dollar studio, FAAAAAAAR from the indies you see struggling when they price their games at 15 let alone 20$
>>719723852I'm charging $45 USD for my indie game and no one can stop me.
>>719732041>doesn’t even post the games name no you having zero confidence in your product killed it
>>719732370if it has enough content to be worthwhile then sureif it's 5-6 hours long then get pirated bitch
is silksong is some meme like people here pretended some king of the hill game existed? some dlc to shit indie game nobody cares about hyped up to be second coming and see if npc's will buy into it just for memes?
>>719732269be that as it may, I was 10 and didn’t pay for a single one. I’d rather click X on a pop up than have to dish out a buck or two every time I want to fuck around for 2 hours on a game
>>719732427I'm not here for people to buy it. I'm here just to do it.
>>719732370You're free to do that, but I won't buy it.
>>719732501you were the one that brought it up in the first place. Just fucking do it or shutup
>>719732528Not my problem.
>>719732573No, I need people to KNOW I don't care.
>>719731853you absolutely do not need the DLCs to play rimworld. you can mod the fuck out of it to do what you want.
>>719732654>im not like the OTHER indie game devs its all about the passion for me!>I don’t even care if I get any attention!>anyway, here’s a vague photo of the game I’m working on but I’m not going to tell you what it’s called or what kind of game it is in an attempt to bait replies >but it’s just a passion project for me nothing more!!just tell us what the game is called dipshit
>>719723852Hysterical fanboys. Game is game.
>>719732820Anon you're taking me far too seriously. I don't even have a game.
>>719731031Pretty sure it's called factorio
>>719727974You forgot>has no impact on anything after release
>>719723852I’M HAVING PRICE ANXIETY!
>>719724739back to discord, tranny.
>>719723852What a FUCKING JOKE!!!!!No one was doing this during 3rd gen, 4th gen, 4th gen, etc. If your game is shit, it's shit! If it's good....let SS work through their system. It's not like your game disappears!
>>719731804tiddies
>>719724572based
the way people act over games is faggot shit, just buy it or don't I don't know why anyone cares about these developers, I could enjoy their games and they could still end up homeless for all I care, parasocial fag shit
>>719731914not people's fault that inflation is a thing and things cost a lot more than 20-30 years ago.stop the jews at top from jewing everyone and their buying power and everything will be passion driven again.i remember spending months up months modding a game for free a decade ago but today?i would open patreon and spam it everywhere
>>719734156Criminally based, everyone deserves to fucking suffer and rot no matter how successful, unsuccessful, virtuous, cruel or otherwise they are. All life is created just to die.
>>719734156Use periods.
>>719729226It's literally just the "collect stuff on death" mechanic.
>>719724556the issue with factorio isn't its price. just that the dev has never put it on sale ever for seemingly spiteful reasons.
>>719734284But I'm a guy
>>719734349It’s not spite, it’s autism.
>>719729226It’s literally 2D dark souls
>>719726920>just finance a video game Kek
>>719734284not yet
>>719734428As someone who is autistic almost all of my actions are out of spite.
>>719723932There's a reason why they want GTA 6 to cost $100.
>>719724289uhm achtually, if you account for inflation the monkey island meme is now like 49 or 50 dollars for a game
>>719723852>buy the game for yourself and 3 friends>or if you have no friends just give the copies away on the internetDone. Silksong is now $80. Why are those people crying again?
>>719725232>>719725375Now adjust it for salaries
>>719734332I guess we reached a point where people that are genuinely fucking stupid or never played video games before only know about bosses that require some amount of thought and exploration from dark souls. Like this guy >>719734468
>>719727690capitalism bad except when it benefits me and my heckin poclgptqlop
>>719729986nigger i have 1400 games in my steam account and never paid more than $20 for an indie title wtfand i buy several games a month
>>719736013Zoomers HAVE to piss and shit themselves whenever anyone on the planet does anything that isn't the most generic socially acceptable thing to do.
>>719724120underrated post
read this as india devs
>>719723852This entire smear campaign is investor backed. The reality is they are upset that indie devs are eating their pie, and they think people should be buying $80-100 games WITH microtransactions, battle passes, and so on. The fact that Hollow Knight is one of the biggest games this year, after the AAA industry has received bad headline after headline, failure after failure, and one of the only other notable games this year is fucking DELTARUNE. They are scared of indie devs because they've actually captured the hearts of young gamers in particular, a market they wish they had. So they come up with one of the most ridiculous "IT'S TOO CHEAP AND THIS IS LE BAD GAMERS!!" jewish argument I've heard. You just know a fucking Fortune 500 shill typed that crap up, and this is not the first time they've been typing up LITERAL PROPAGANDA on "gamedev" oriented sites, where they have to leave a disclaimer at the end of the article saying "Oh yeah we added a note to let the reader know this guy is employed by a fortune 500 company".
They made 0.1 quintillion from the first game. The sales from it in these last 30 days alone probably paid the development of Silksong.The game is guaranteed to make gigantic profit.
>>719725884meanwhile modern atari games cost a minimum of $20 despite not having much more content then arcade games
>>719730237Who's the publisher, oh clearly honest anon?
>>719731853rimworld is a special case because it got a niche autistic community that spends thousands of hours playing it, so for them $150 is still way less than $1 per hour of gameplay
>>719727248Ok, why wouldn't this work?
>>719733387>poor attempt at outsider fitting inWho is actually fooled by you?
>>719726920>having a credit card no thanks, im not retarded
>>719725884Mine is the same as it always was $1/h maximum. Works for everything, food, housing, entertainment, women.
>>719723932They really don't. They think WoW players have only played WoW for the last 21 years.
>>719724120Bro, this made me laugh out loud and almost got me in trouble.>>719723852>Provides quality game for a reasonable day 1 price which will lead to big day 1 success similar to Schedule 1 selling massive numbers.How is this a bad thing again? It's not like it didn't get a price hike, I snagged hollowknight for $7.50 for 50% off. Turned out to be amazing so I don't mind snagging the sequel for $20.What the fuck does FAGGOT FUCK FLU PRIDE PARADE EXTRAVAGANZA SIMULATOR being effected by a dev that can make a good game and doing only a $5 price increase for the sequel have to do with my gaming experience?
>>719724556>What the fuck do these people wantFor you to click on their articles and rage in the commentsThat's all this is about. Money. It's why no one really likes journalists anymore. It's all just an obvious racket but they have the audacity to try browbeating you or pontificating from their soapbox.
>>719727049Once you get out of the poverty credit tier you get access to a lot of perks and benefits. Not bragging or being mean. I was there for like 5 years before finally getting my first real platinum 0 apr card.
Normies are retarded and will pay any random price for whatever.
>>719727049They kinda are. They hope that you'll be paying tons if interest, but if you budget like it was a debit card and pay it off in full every time, you'll get perks for spending money you'd already spend. They still profit from your data, but that's ubiquitous so at least they are "paying" you for it.
I genuinely don't understand how opinion piece columnists exist or even survive.
>>719723852I don't buy indie games over $20 anyways because my NFL 2K reflex kicks in and I can't help but compare how that game looked for its time and how the indie game looks compared to games today(shit).
>>719723852>nooo you can't just make a good game and sell it for less
>>719742245Ragebait is the only thing that survives.
>>719738963I think you got to the heart of the matter.Here is the crazy part though, the investors and out of touch C-Suite are the ones creating their own financial disasters.>Shoot down unique ideas to copy an already successful games>Cancel and change games mid cycle cause marketing focus group said it was a good idea>Force DLC and Microtransactions everywhere, throw tantrums when you don't get what you want>Set unrealistic sales goals>attack customer base, let employees attack customer base, get surprised when they don't buy>Try justifying revoking licenses for games you price hiked, then get shocked when you get push back>Push live service games, get upset you get pushback>Push moderation in voice chat over giving tools to mute and block, now you are wasting money on something stupid.>Push for raytracing tech being mandatory to cut jobs, get surprised when customers don't buy cause it runs like assThe whole push for digital distribution was so the prices came down. Instead we got games we don't own, petty mentally unstable dev teams that revoke licenses for no reason, excessive lobby moderation, my data being sold, and being told I should pay $40 more for the privilege of shit I never asked for or wanted for shit I don't own.They made their bed, now they can get fucked in it
>>719724556They are being miserable so they want you to be miserable as well. In other words, trannies.
>>71972447960? Do you want to sell my indie game for only 80? Oy vey
im pretty sure i never played a game that i paid over $40 for for longer than a couple hundred hours.when it comes to games having a low price tag is actually a sign of quality because it means it was developed by a small group that doesnt need to sell it for a lot
>>719724556I pirated Factorio and didn't even like it, lmao.
95% of indie games are already $15 and under. is this yet another gaslighting campaign?
>>719723852This is just objectively out of whack. 90% of the "indie scene" is $0-10 itch.io games.ffs, I bought 400 fucking games on itch today for $8. Sure, a lot of those are 1-page pdfs with "queer" written on them 40 times, but still there's a lot of good stuff in there.Very bizarre media narrative.
>>719723852It's a pretty normal price tag, most indie games of that scale are between 20 and 30 dollars
>>719742998>Sure, a lot of those are 1-page pdfs with "queer" written on them 40 timesSorry, what?
>>719743438a lot of itch.io games are just 5 minute renpy slop about being a tranny faggot
>>719743438Tabletop games are huge on itch. Indie tabletop games don't tend to be complicated, because the commitment to learning a new ruleset is a huge barrier.So you end up with lots of 1-pagers about rolling dice to tell a little story, tarot cards etc.The gay part is just background radiation on there. Chuds don't make art, etc.
What if I sell a simple fun game for 5 dollarydos just cause I want to share my fetish thinly veiled as a game?
i thought those bills were a parody of tank man
>>719730854The contents don't justify the high price if the production value is very low
>>719726920What the actual fuck are you talking about? Are you a literal child? I can drop $200 on a hamburger easy but I don't because that's retarded as fuck.
>>719744034ill take 20, depending on if we share fetishes
>>719744830Male brats being abducted and violently impregnated by eldritch horrors beyond comprehensionAnd yes, there is a dommy mommy that converts the extra uppity brats into self fertilizing living ovaries. It is a fate beyond bliss that flays the mind of all coherence.
>>719724653I remember a few years ago there was a massive push to "Unionize" independent craft makers and costume makers and it was like"Who are you bargaining against, yourself? You're your own boss " The "Idea" was to just create a cartel and blacklist and attack anyone not in the group and to quadruple prices across the board and try to strongarm the material sellers to not sell to "Non members"
>>719742861this but HK
>>719723852Terraria was $10. Why would I buy this?
>>719745143>self fertilizing ovariesRevolting and utterly disgusting tell me more
>Make game 10 bucks>Sells 1,000,000 copies>Make game 50 bucks>Sells 100,000 copies>Somehow I'm being robbed for making an agreeable and accessible price point that sells way more copies and has a higher net profit
>>719745220Because 2011 was 20 years ago and $1 20 years ago is worth $100 today.
>>719723932in this economy? topjej
>>719745783Technically selling more copies is more profitable by virtue of having more people knowing about your product though, right?You also need to consider that while money is finite what's even more finite is a day, so more people playing your game = less people playing any other game.Would allow you to capitalize like crazy on secondary stuff like plushies, mouse mats or whatever other object masses usually buy when obsessed with a brand.
>>719723852what the fuck does price anxiety even mean
>>719727690it's always about money.
>>719746796Why do you think artists are pissy with AI. They can't commission shitty $50 sketches anymore.
>>719746731AAA Jews are seething that 2025's biggest game isn't one of their annual slops that costs 70-80 bucks upfront and then pressures you with microtransactions and battle passes, but instead this random "dumbass 2D game about bugs that only costs 20 bucks."
This is where the "Line must go up" mentality leads by the way, if someone is actually pricing to what they consider fair, it will ruffle the feathers of people that want more money.What a stupid shit show.
>>719738963The worst part is that once they got it started, /v/irgins were more than happy to spread the messaging FOR FREE
>>71972455625 dollar games it seems
>>719729772
>>719731914>everything is about money nowbecause we're on a razor's edge from weimar round 2
Who the fuck makes those shitty rage/clickbait articles??? First you morons were crying that silksong was vaporware, now that not only is finally coming out but doing it at a fair price you faggots are crying that it will hurt other indie releases (was there anything notable releasing this month?? Its drought even on the AAA scene) and now that other indies will need to follow example on fair price.Fuck is like you morons just like to be mad at the most meaningless shit.
>>719742457They also expect ridiculous gangbusters profit from every single game, there's no room in their model for the kind of decently successful A and AA games that you used to see loads of in the past.
>>719747595Not only do they want gangbusters, they want it to be an exponential success that continues profit after initial release.The consequences of mobile gaming's unfathomable success have been genuinely disastrous on actual video games, the suits genuinely think they're all the same thing and you can turn any AAA console title into the next Pokemon GO gangbusting titan if you just try hard enough.
>>719727932People have been talking about the deer rape nonstop
>>719747747miss the 2000s era when bored autists would make entire games for free
If you think about it, when you release a game for free you automatically get 8 billion sales.
>>719723852yet I will still pay 0
>>719727690you sound like you've never worked in your life
That Sonic meme about LE UGLY SHORT EXPENSIVE GAME PLS has ruined so many people's outlook on gaming.>>719724345Some indie devs and unbearable virtue-signaling indie scene evangelists have been wanting indies to pull a Mario Kart World and jack prices up just because, and they've been furious since they see Silksong's price as a fly in their ointment.
>>71973216290% of people saying that are actual bots used by marketing companies or actual artist on the same level as yours that push you to make it into a product so they see if said product is worth enough money to try and make copies of.the 10% left are actual people that only wish you good and try to lift your mood so you try to gain better skills allowing to work more in a better way.
>>719747550>Who the fuck makes those shitty rage/clickbait articles?A certain tribe with an interest in manufacturing the narrative that people want their hobby to be more expensive for no reason at all.
>>719738963young gamers don't play indie games, they just play the roblox games that are based on the good indie games
>>719727690that's because half or more of the majority of game devs have this mindset that they will get comfy when their game hits big or something.Team Cherry seems like they were really smart with their approach with their finances after the success of Hollow Knight and didn't become retarded with their money and kept things mostly to themselves over the years while developing Silksong, something that other devs really should learn from.Another example I can give is the OG runescape dev, Andrew Gower, launched a game called brighter Shores in early access last year, and people were complaining about the game because these retarded were thinking he was just making another runescape clone and most players left in droves. Now this game is still in development but since he's basically a millionaire before due to runescape sucess, he can keep that game afloat even if there's 0 players in it.TL;DR: Modern indie devs are slop makers and just wanna coast on money without making a major effort on their games
>>719749005And even that's generous in assuming that the kids even play the ripoffs in the first place, when it's more likely they're playing hangout games where they can get groomed and watching ecelebs play the roblox ripoffs instead.
>>719749005I do wonder about that, why are there people willing to play a game in roblox rather than the game itself?
>>719749451It's just convenience. You open up roblox on your ipad and basically any experience you could ever want is available in some form, bastardized as it may be.I also think some kids legitimately aren't aware that video games even exist as a concept separate from Roblox.
>>719749451Some kids have shitter computers that can't handle the real games or outright don't have a PC period, so the Roblox alternative is their only real option to play something akin to it.
>>719749005why are alphoomers so vidya averse anyway? my 5yo nephew won't hop on a game for longer than a minute at a time but will watch anyone else play for hours
>>719749962video games suck, they just realized it sooner than we did
>>719749962Because modern vidya is total ass and old vidya is too archaic for their iPad baby brains. They need the parasocial element through an eceleb to filter it all, it's the literal only way they can stay interested.
>>719749962Why wouldn't they be? All the most popular and mainstream video games which is all any normie gen alpha kid would be familiar with have been shit for their entire lifespan. Imagine growing up and literally your entire life they've been re-releasing Last of Us and GTAV.
>>719724556I haven't pirated a game in years with the exception of Factorio
>>719749552winnergames are 100x more demanding and they can't be bothered to learn about the ancient art of torrenting/emulating older shit
>>719750223I haven't felt the need to pirate games in a long time, just tv shows/movies because subscription services are fucking homo gay.As gabe said, it literally is just a service problem.
>>719750339Same. I just felt particularly spiteful towards the Factorio devs and their faggot no sale bullshit
>>719723852it is always the exact opposite of how fucking retards think. If Silksong is a Good game, not even a great game but has 50 hours of good gameplay and a good story, remember not great just good, this will make literally every large development studio go fucking bankrupt unless they go full gacha.
>>719738963AAA publishers are trying really hard to convince people games need to cost 70+ while hoping GTAVI will rise the price to 100. I remember something similar happened over E33 being 50.
>>719723852Fuck journos. This is an objective W for consumers. It's not anyone's fault but indie devs if they can't compete for that price tag. Let it be known that the only indie devs scared by this are asset flippers who don't know how to develop games.>WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CANT SELL MY UPCOMING UNITY STORE SLOP FOR 40 DOLLARS?!Indie/Solo Dev is not an excuse for shitty games. Cave Story and Undertale were made by practically one person.
>>719747532Can you show me currency more powerful than the dollar.
just vote with your wallet lol
>>719752383Vote with your wallet doesn't work when there are millions of retards who will outnumber your one vote with millions of purchases, especially when they can make additional millions of purchases via microtransactions and subscriptions.
>>719724595>indie>$90what fucking indie game is worth $90 bucks?
>>719725892It was a joke in the original game, fucking autist. Monkey Island did cost way more than 20 bucks on release itself, you fucking retard.
reminder that this is just a marketing campaign to make SS look cheap
why is this a problem again
>>719752623they can afford to make it $15
>>719752724>just take a hit on the price despite the game being bigger and longer than the first one because they cannah brah
>>719752623The article itself is trying to discourage indie devs by pointing and going>"hey look, Silksong is only 20 bucks! 20 bucks for peak fiction, YOUR game better be peak fiction too or it's not gonna be worth the price! Better lower it down to 10 bucks, buddy, don't want people being disappointed that your game isn't Silksong levels of good... 5 bucks sounds fair, don't it? Yeah, yeah... 1.99, that's the price of your humble little project."With the hopes of completely killing their motivation and passion so they can drop out entirely, thereby removing the possibility of more indie darlings that can overtake the AAA scene more than indie games already have.
>>719724120kek
>>719752786they sold 15 mill copies of HK
>>719740904Hahaha haven't you seen the data? Most gamers don't play more than 1 or 2 games
>>719752080Love
>>719727690blame the enshittification of the internetyou aren't allowed to have recreational hobbies, you MUST grind. You need to be PRODUCTIVE. Anything that doesn't make MONEY devalues your WORTH, not just as a potential mate but as a human being.You aren't allowed to make or do something for your personal enjoyment and share it with friends, it must be monetized to hell and back. You must compare yourself with others on social media to see who has the longer moneypenis.There are genuine hobbydevs who release freeware, mod games for free, and price their work modestly. But there are an ocean of people chasing the indie gold rush trying to be the next isaac, the next slay the spire, the next buckshot roulette, the next vsurvivors. It's rotten and has been rotten for the past 18 years, we just didn't notice the warning signs when it was first taking hold.
How many bots/shills does this game have?
>>719723852>Hurt the indie sceneI thought business was some kind of competition?
>>719723852i will buyed boughted it for free from skidrow and maybe dodi repacks if something gose wrong
>>719723852Nobody complains about Stardew being $15. Why is Silksong getting panic?
>>7197279321. It took too long2. The undertale fanbase was still fucking active as all hell when delta 1-2 realized, but it kinda got watered down by other tumblr like shit like hazbin/helluva and TADC or whatever it is called.
>>719753987Because Silksong is projected to be a masterpiece of a game, Stardew was just "really good and comfy" so 15 bucks wasn't that big a deal. If 20 bucks for a masterpiece is the bar Silksong sets, it subsequently gives the AAA goblins something to fearmonger over, see >>719752839
>>719746417why are both of his eyes yellow isnt the meme that characters who are crazy have one yellow and one pink eye
>>719740623This comic is just a joke. They think they make $10 profit each by selling a box with $40 inside for $30.But really, they just pass the same money back and forth. No real profit, no new money.
>>719740623Not seeing where even a retard would think the guy buying the box isn't losing money
>A Deep Dive Into the Colonialist Roots of $20 Indie Games >article is locked behind a paywall
>>719725146I can play four games at once.>t.octopus
>>719727932I think you might just be out of the loop. Deltarune is more popular right now than Undertale was in 2016
>>719723852Proof that Internet schizophrenia is a thing
>>719752080the euro
>>719730893I already own factorio and I think the price raise was just them being greedy kike devs.
>>719723852How does a game being $20 hurt the vidya industry? By showing normalcattle that they shouldn't be scammed into paying $80 for dogshit?
>>719724479Hitler was born on the TWENTIETH of April. If you sell your game for TWENTY bucks, you're basically a heckin' dog whistling Nazi. Want to sell your game for 15 bucks? No way chud, that's too close to 14.88 which is another evil Nazi dogwhistle.
>>719723932npc's dont have money
>>719723852>two $40 games release>I buy one>only one dev gets any money>two $20 games release>I buy both>both devs get moneyThe amount I'm willing to spend on games isn't something that varies a huge amount. You'd think the 'think of the poor suffering indie dev' crowd would prefer the latter scenario.
>>719731031>game about ADHD>intentionally fucks with the flow of time and varies displayed stats at random >game about Autism>you have to do all your inputs in a consistent timing and order or you suffer debuffs>game about Schizophrenia>self explanator
>>719723852is that Tienamen square?
>>719759261Kek
>>719727825>The bar for entry has never been lower, which is great for those who are actually passionate about making good gamesTo make good games you will go way above the low bar. Meaning, if you are passionate, you would be fine either way. Except the low bar poisons the whole industry, so you are not fine.
>>719754292Try again dumb dumb.
>>719725426Good. That only helps consumers and starts choking out the DEI bombs
my game is going to cost 2.99 when it comes out, and i don't envision my games costing more than $20. People have no hesitation to spend $20> on Doordash slop yet will be very price sensitive on games. Its just the market we are in
>>719759261I can see it
>>719723852$30 is fine for a high quality game with robust mechanics high quality art and 60fps animations like Ori WotW.$20 is too much for some cheap flash garbage with spammy mechanics and 10fps animation like shallow knight.
>HK sells millions of copiesIt was bundled at some point. So the real price is like $1.
If they hate it so much why not just do the opposite?Like that one jap who sold his black and white porn game for like $120 when everyone else was selling the same amount of content for $20.He said something like "I set the price as such because I want real fans to play my content."And it ended up being a top seller.
This is problematic
>>719723852What is this bullshit narrative, most indie games are $20 or less. Goddamn I hate game journos.
>>719723852Should've been $25-30 instead of $20. Not that I mind it being $20 of course. It's just that it would firmly establish that price point as high-end indie prices.
>>719723852Its cheap because they are using the same code instead of programming from the ground up and designung the game.
>>719762527>It's just that it would firmly establish that price point as high-end indie prices.And why would anyone want that.
>>719752080>₪
>>719755290No.
>>719762458>muh pre-release reviewsAnyone that believes a single word of a pre-release review is a fucking retard.Starfield is a masterpiece remember?
is it strange that indie developers were given so much good will and suddenly a few tweets from literal whos has everyone hating them now?really makes me think
>>719723932They mean it is too cheap and will make other indie devs look bad when they try to charge $40.
>>719762817My favorite was when cities skylines 2 had a trailer that included reviews from some Chinese piracy group.
>>719762721So that faggot devs don't charge over $25? What kind of question is that?
>>719723852Do you know what's funny? They're basically saying>You can't sell a good game for cheap!because they believe that cheap games will only sell as much as much more expensive games. They are just like the people at EA who said Dragon Age had a built-in audience of RPG gamers so they didn't need to cater to them, except their argument is that indie games only have a tiny audience of niche gamers and will never find a bigger one so you better maximize each sale. These are the same people who claim Capitalism doesn't work and we need Socialism. No shit Capitalism doesn't work for you.
>>719763065But 20 is lower than 25
>>719763065No, all it would do is set the new standard and cause others to raise their price. Vast majority of indies are $20 or less.
>>719763098I bet there have been studies done on releasing a cheaper product to get a larger customer base before releasing the next more expensive product. Assuming the next product isn't awful you can probably expect a shitload of the first customers to buy the next one. When your dev team isn't enormous I wonder if it's even better long term.
>>719762908Called a competing market, nigger. Minecraft is $30 and has infinite gameplay. Of course it's a steal, but if you don't give a shit about blocks then Minecraft is worth jack shit.
>>719724556The first is simply wrong. Team cherry are based. factorio devs are jews.
If you want to charge more for your indie game just make it niche and unique. Factorio was 30 bucks at 1.0 and there was literally no real automation game on the same scale as it. Even now there's still basically only one released competitor that's 5 dollars more expensive than factorio. They can stay at that price because it's still an emerging genre. Just make a unique game.
>>719738963Big if true.They already hate AAA games that don't do MTX, so imagine indie games like Stardew Valley or some stupid shit like Vampire Shitvivors.
>>719762908As they should, no indie game is worth more than 20 dollars.
>>719732162I mean if you like drawing and are good at it, why not sell some stickers? But yea, most of the time doing things to be happy should not be overwritten by money-making. Especially if it was a hobby at first.
>>719724556they want to sell their own lazy slop for 30 dollars and good games make them look bad.
>>719749962Nigger, he's 5. When I was that age I was scared of messing up/dying so I would mostly watch my dad and sister play. And when I did start playing more I would wait til everyone else had left the room.
>>719749451I played Counter Strike in Minecraft before I bought CSGO. I also played TF2 in Miencraft despite already owning TF2.
>>719742861imagine being so proudly retarded
Devs sperging about Silksong are outrageous. Anyone releasing the same day never had a chance. A lot of games release tomorrow and even Borderlands is next week. Indie crap never had a share of wallet this week.
>>719763925Team Cherry are fags for being radio silent after their 2019 release trailer, but their other decisions I hold no quarrel.
>>719763639Yes, but $25 is a sweetspot between developers getting money for their work and players getting their games for cheap. If there's any problems then you can just pirate the games instead (something a lot of people will do anyway), rendering the entire argument of costs moot.>>719763707>all it would do is set the new standardYes, that's the point. Contrary to the current lack of a standard where indies will sell good and bad games for anywhere between $10 and $50. Deltarune and Silksong selling for $25 would pretty much solidify that price forever, since it would force devs to match those games if they want to charge around that price point.
Better than Hades 2 being early access $30.
>>719723852Silksong LITERALLY genocided 6 million indie metroidvania devs and you're laughing...
>>719764748Hades 2 is a significantly better games even i EA
>>719724556Hmmm...30 bucks. That's my limit on an indie game. Half the price of an old Triple A.
>>719724556I mean, Wube is wrong for selling the DLC for $35. It's good DLC that I've extracted thousands of hours out of, but if I wasn't gifted the base game, I wouldn't have paid for it.
>>719727853>d00d dark souls is popular>let's just fucking rip it off, but in 2D and we'll add faggot butt sex with bugsPassion overwhelming.
>>719723852This has nothing to do with indie devs. No indie dev is on the record complaining about this. Yet the very vocal people who write Borderlands games who also like to complain every time something else is popular tend to be very active on this topic. Coincidentally, a Borderlands game is releasing in a week, and nobody knows that.
>>719763919Why are you calling me a nigger, faggot? I agree with you.
>>719764826>same maps every run>bosses are sponges and deal too much damage unlike the first game because they have no content and make it ((harder)) cuz they have nothing to show>weapons are irrelevant because offscreen lighting spam = easy runs>cringe dialogue and woke charactersmodern day roguelikes are pure scams especially when they think they can charge $30 for 3 maps and 6 monsters and 4 bosses
>>719725146I sometimes play two games at once, but finish neither.
>>719725232No, it's still $20.People's income didn't raise proportionally.
>>719769034>People's income didn't raise proportionally.Shut the fuck up you faggot communist. Go die of AIDS.
>>719724556pricing for video games is arbitrary and meaninglessoutside of AAA games going up in price to fuck over consumers any argument you see about video game pricing is solely to cause conflict where there is none
>>719729106Why would you pay for a single player game you can get for free
>>719723852I’m pirating it I don’t like hoes as MCs and women’s ain’t really what I give my money too
>>719731804>>719732090if you've read anything by roger ebert you will begin to realize that some people are just that stupid, even outside of video games
>>719769453You'd have to not be a parasite to understand
>>719769579Cuck mindset
I'm gonna cum tbqhwyf
>>719757386>Hitler was born on the TWENTIETH of Aprilso was I :3
>>719770093Are you Lucina?
>>719749005Wrong. Hollow Knight audience is on average 15yo.
>>719754292Actually, it does make the GDP go higher.
>>719770093Post asshole
>>719770265that was eight years ago when the game released, they're 32 by now
>>719723852no but seriously, what is the mental deficiency of the journos?
>>719724289Because it just is chud, dont question it
>>719724664That webm is so /v/ related
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71gVMmYvuZcThis is the voice that will sell 5 gorillion copies.
>>719724289>jaypeggyDang it Bobby
>>719724572>this kills the indieshitter
The benefit of being an Indie dev is you can price whatever the fuck you want. Smarter ones know lower price tag makes a customer more willing to open their wallet. Some are stubborn and just say FUCK YOU PAY ME like the Rimworld dev who pegged his game to the price he wants and never approves a big sale discount.
>>719749005>>719770487This is what the average Hollow Knight fan posts. You can try to convince me that these people are older than 15, but I won't believe you.
>>719771165
>>719752080Space dongs
>>719771121>Smarter ones know lower price tag makes a customer more willing to open their walletThis, if they priced it at $40, I would've pirate and wait for a sale later down, but at $20 I am willing to open my wallet.
>>719771165>>719771216Most of those are Deltarune fans who are overlapped with Silksong because they need two sources of brainrot waiting memes to stimulate them.
>>719759261-5000 social credits for this post!
>>719752080Fine, the entire planet is a razor's edge from weimar 2, happy?
>>719771565Yes
>>719724673this honestly, I bought The Beginner's Guide for like $15 and Metro Exodus for $5, the difference in the ratio of price to hours of entertainment/amount of content between these two purchases was wildly different and still idgaf
>>719769673 For you
>>719772349If I pull out of you're wife, will you die?
>>719730414no.just dont act like a faggot when people arent comfortable spending $20+ on a no reputation devs first game.
>>719730164>>7197525285-10 years from nowwatch
>>719727248>I pay off my cardso it's not free
>>719742245Probably just paid propagandists at this point.
>>719726987NTA but I'm Spanish, always cook my meals, have a decent job by Spanish standards (which is trash compared of the amount is would earn in the states doing the same job) and I'm conscious of my expenses.Would I pay 80€ for a game? Yes if the game is TRULY great. Like a Cyberpunk if it was optimized and with all the things they announced in the trailers, being a true RPG.Max I would pay for a RE game? 40€. For a DLC? 15€. Indie game? 20€. Game that's interesting but I'm not sure if I would like it (citizen sleeper, disco likes)? 10€.
>nooo my game I worked on for 10 years that would've sold 15 copies will now only sell 10!!!
>>719746417Trump has already saved the US economy. It'll start to improve in a few weeks.
>>719724556They just want to complain for sake of complaining, they're very feminine coded
>>719742245Are they? Publications can't be paying them much, when you click on their bio there's either nothing, or they're an author of a published work or something. Is it a full time gig for people?
>>719724829This.They aren't actually mad that the game is cheap.They're mad that Team Cherry isn't cooperating with their incestuously nepotistic insider network.
>>719723852based
>>719726475a friend of mine never understood the lore and he still loved it.you don't need to 100% it but at least getting the "true" ending would be nice
why the hell do AAA make these giant leaps from 60 to 70 to 80, which draws in protest and articles, instead of increasing the price to $61.33 cents, etc.That's how you normalize price increases. Slowly.
>>719723852Git gud :)
>>719723932You're misunderstanding.The ""problem"" is that you get a (presumably) high quality game with X hours of gameplay for 20 bucks. Any subsequent indie game will have to "compete" with that price point, either in quality or playtime, the idea being that why would anyone ever buy a worse/shorter game for more money.Of course, the simplest solution to this "problem" is to just not make shit, low value garbage games to begin with, but that is lost on journalists.
>>719773995they can watch as no one buys their game
NSP when?
I don't understand this niggertarded nonsense about pricing. Indie games have charged whatever, whenever, wherever for anything but cheap little "micro games". In fact $20 is on the higher end of indie game pricing. You'd think even the colluding gaybos who write shitty engagement bait would realize that. I guess the devs must have done something to piss off the dregs of the laptop classes like saying latino instead of latinx or something.
>>719723852Reddit Knight was 15 dollars. That's a 33% price hike. I don't pay more than 10 dollars for indie shit.
>>719774467>which is trash compared of the amount is would earn in the states doing the same jobnot worth it if you have to live in Am*rica
>>719724556factorio is NOT worth anything over 5$. dogshit game for unironic friendless autists.
>>719747532>Source: some irrelevant blog
>>719777121Yeah, that's why I don't even consider jobs outside. I love the Mediterranean, my dream job is a swiss company remote work. High salary but still living here
>>719730414Yes if your game looks like five dollars worth of production values then that is what you should charge. Know your fucking place.
>>719723852>Price anxietyMeaning people start comparing quality of a game to others for the same price, leading to the conclusion that most indie games have been getting greedy by asking for more money for shitter games.
>>719727932>people shitting deltarune everywhere on wplace>constant memes about asgore driving in his car>furries globally still cooming to ralsei and susie in droves
>>719777663oh shut up, while I have too much social life to put any effort into the game it's objectively a high quality product made with a lot of care, and if it's not for you just don't get it in the first place it's not like it advertises itself as anything but an autismo game
>>719749962Its about social interaction.In the current age of social media people are starved of it and try to compensate the feeling with a constant flow of parasocial interactions that make them feel less lonely. Playing games by yourself feels like wasted time while watching someone play fools your brain into thinking you're actually socializing
>>719757682Gacha games are already ADHD games
>>719764672i do hold a quirrel for their other decisions though
>>719723852Good , I hope it does>>719724120Top kek
>>719723852>one of the biggest indie games of 2024 releases for $14.99>no one bats an eye>Silksong for $20>everyone claims indie devs won't be able to compete with those pricesWhat causes this?
>>719779886Media is just looking for things to bitch about because Team Cherry did not give them review codes since they thought kickstarter backers should get to play the game first.
>>719745143Someone take this description and run it through an ai to see what comes out
>>719727690>faggot journo on AAA payroll pulls shit out of his ass for a clickbait article>retarded niggers ITT: "wtf why would indie devs say that"??I am out of insults to call you, you cretin lobotomites, this thread's average IQ is single digit I swear.
>>719727681MI2 was $69 at release.
>>719723932>he doesn't know you're supposed to pick one and exactly one game to play, replay and rereplay until the end of your daysi'm calling the cops, multiple game player
>>719776709>I guess the devs must have done something to piss off the dregs of the laptop classesAlright, to understand this you have to understand the fact that the vast majority of creative types, and I REALLY mean the vast majority, are narcissistic at least to a degree.There was a whole sort of movement a couple of years ago that is still going albeit quieter where cartoonists were going on about "taking the industry back from white old men" that despite parroting lgbtqppwhatever stuff, actually came directly from a deep sense of insecurity in these people: the idea that they'd never surpass the old masters.Hollow Knight became such a sensation, and silksong has been hyped for so long, that a lot of indie devs are genuinely mad at team cherry for taking all the attention from their projects. In this sense team cherry have gone from being their fellow indie devs to unreachable masters in the span of a decade. To the crabs currently in the bucket this is infuriating to an insane degree.
>>719723852Nobody was going to buy their $35 roguelite deckbuilder anyway.
>>719781354You know, that really does make a lot of sense
>>719723852I'll only buy silksong because the devs are white and don't support faggets.
>>719771165Not like the average /v/tard is any more mature.
>>719781559Nuh uh the average /v/chad would spam soijaks and those are edgy and mature and cool.
>>719723852Indies being afraid of this game are fucking retarded and have no confident into making their games really good and fun that is gets popular too.
>>719776709jews afraid goys may learn what a fair price for goods is, almost none of the people parroting that sentiment are actual indie devs, but journos going "how do you do fellow indie devs?".picrel is a WB exec for example
>>719725232>>719725375>adjusted for inflation>ignores the mode hourly income and how purchasing power has declined
>>719749451Roblox cosmetics, captive audience, sunk cost. Do you wanna play Peak? Or do you wanna boot up the game your friends are already playing that has those skins and doodads you used your parents money to buy and then play Peak within that
>>719724068BasedTotal silksong victory
>>719749962same. my nephew is a couple of years older and he will literally watch lets plays of stuff like luigi's mansion so he knows exactly what to do and starts freaking out if we play something he hasn't already watched. I keep telling him the fun is figuring stuff out on your own and he looks at me like I'm speaking a different language.
>>719781514buying two copies if true
