Every single entry after this one turned into an outdoors crawling simulator
>>719761258>after
>entry
>>719761258>t. never played MG2Off yourself faggot
>this
>>719761258Indoor futuristic environments would've gotten old at some point. Splinter Cell did it better anyways so Kojima knew he had to go a different route which was a good idea on his part
>>7197612583 was the peak4 was the downfall
Mgs5 should have been 15 ground zeroes style levels in a row 2-3 hours each mission and no open world
It saved mgs after 2s mixed reception.4 is where they fucked up. Notice how no one wants to port or remaster 4. They've re-released 3. 6 times now? >Subsistence >trilogy collection ps2>trilogy collection 360/ps3 era >3ds edition >trilogy collection ps4/xb1x era>Delta
>>7197614844 > 3
>>719761637it's not that they don't want to, it's that it's hard, licensing wise. There's an iPod in that game. They directly reference Blu-Ray and the PS3. You know people would spaz if they just cut that stuff. At least it works in RPCS3 now
>>719761785This.
>>719761951>at least it works inRPCS3 nowcan you share your settings so that it doesnt crash?
>>719762225defaults + custom config with this stuff noted, there is a Canary patch you have to apply they detail too so make sure you do that one cuz it's the main reason it doesn't crash.https://wiki.rpcs3.net/index.php?title=Metal_Gear_Solid_4%3A_Guns_of_the_Patriots
>>719761258True, 2 was the end, only retards disagree
>>719761951>licensing faggotrygradually I began to hate them
>>719762002>>719761785Perhaps if gameplay isn't your thing.
>>719765017there is actually about the same ratio of cutscene to gameplay between 3 and 4, it's just 4 is a lot longer.
Are the steam ports decent? Or is it still just better to emulate
>>719765185That's not really true but in terms of raw gameplay length, they are about the same
>>719761357Nobody played MG2, that's why MGS1 is a soft remake of it
>>719761258Yes and no one will argue because MGS3 was their first game. Ghost Babel and MGS2 were the last good games and I'm so tired of preaching this for the last 20 years but I'll keep preaching it until all Kojima drones realize he was a hack then and he is a hack now.
>>719765235better to emulate
>>719765235MGS1, just emulate unless you really love Psycho Mantis quips thanks to the memoy card simulator on the MC collection, or want 1, VR, and Integral all in one spot. MGSHDFix is recovering the broken graphical effects for 2 and 3, but besides downloading higher quality sound mods, there isn't much on offer besides smudged upscaled textures; emulating HD Collection has the lion's share of these problems remain, and PCSX2 is still imperfect in some regards and has the pressure sensitivity limitation for inputs that need modifier commands to work around. MG1&2, you can emulate them just fine via either BlueMSX for fan translations, or PCSX2 for the Subsistence bonus disc; NES games are even easier to emulate.It's really either taking a hit on the chin and hoping modders continue fixing the Master Collection further for the sake of convenience, or fucking with a bunch of different emulators just to run these games closer to how they should be with caveats involved.
>>719765623>>719765235Ignore anyone recommending the ports, they need mods to not be awful and even then they aren't perfect. Emulation has so few issues so it's best to just go that route.
>>719765235Just get the ports, they already fixed a lot of issues and are currently the best official way to play the first five games
>>719761258every entry in the franchise changed the formula in positive and negative ways. mgs3 was the peak of the series, gameplay wise, but the series DID hurt by having fewer interiors after it. narratively, kojima has been chasing the highs of mgs2 since 2001, even with the release of DS2.
>Fathers are... LE BAD: The Video Game Series
>>719765185Except the gameplay in 4 is peppered with tons of dog shit sequences that aren't fun to play. You have a few brilliant levels with tons of garbage in between them. The awful rail shooting sections and that level where you're in the city are two that pop into my brain.
>>719765901The geopolitical narrative in MGSV (if you include GZ and TPP as one) is solid and aged well even though it wasn't satisfactory as an ending.
>>719766006chapter 1 and chapter 2 are good. decent level design with a mix of open air design and tight corridors. then chapter 3 hits and you are forced into the european city where you tail the guy to try and find the hideout, what could have been a really cool concept turned into an extremely lame and gay execution where you just slowly trudge along empty european streets and take out soldiers who would apprehend the guy you are tailing (this sort of is callback to the twilight sniping section in MGS2 where you protect emma from guards as she walks along the bridges). the chapter ends with an okay boss fight, but it doesn't really redeem it. then chapter 4 hits with massive nostalgia for those who had played mgs1 10 years prior, and while it WAS cool to go through shadow moses again and had some pretty cool boss fights/scenes, most of the rooms were pretty fucking stupid because the main enemies were the mini-gekkos and stealth wasn't very dynamic/didn't require you to do any advanced techniques to distract the gekkos or anything. the final chapter has one room to stealth (the deck of arsenal gear), a boss fight room (screaming mantis), the bridges past mantis leading to the AI room (these rooms are barely anything, they have a few mini gekkos in them at worst. these are a nuisance at best), and then the ocelot fight. >>719765185LMAO not at all. the premission briefings alone are almost an hour each.
>>719761258That was MGS4. MGS5 was like the ghost of the series just taking a shit and leaving without fanfare.
mgs4's sniper zoom is still broken so it's unplayableits over
>>719766146i never said it wasn't. but mgsv IS trying to chase the highs of mgs2, to the point that kojima even made the game take a similar structure to mgs2.>GZ is the tanker chapter where you play as the snake you know and love in a short sequence that ends in something sinking to the bottom of the sea>TPP is the plant chapter where you play as someone standing in for the role of snake in the main game and eventually come to realize your place as a brainwashed pawn in a much larger apparatus with zero agency of your own
>>719766739no, ultrawide is still broken. what are you doing.
>>719767298ultrawide breaks the zoom?
>>719765932BASED and TRUE
>>7197612583 has worst gameplay and story in the series, giant downgrade from 1
>>719767749mgs3 is the only mgs with good gameplay outside of mgs4's MGO because it has a fully fledged hunting simulator inside of it on top of being a stealth game
>>719765235>>719765623Is there any reason delta would be recommended over the emu or modded ports? I’m gonna download one version one way or another and since delta already leaked and is cracked, was jw which version I should play.
>>719768049Hardly a hunting sim you just shoot whatever is in front of you.
>>719766146I don’t agree. It’s cool in concept and very shitty in execution. The game has way too much tell and don’t show imo. The static bases don’t convey the severity of the games tone, and the brain dead AI really kills the immersion of each area that’s supposed to be high stakes, or brutal in whatever they’re doing within the base. TLOU2 should not have more impact in its stealth/enemy mechanics, but somehow it does. I want on a tangent, but I don’t disagree with you in theory, but I feel like the actual game itself does so much to work against the story and setting and themes of the story.
>>719768536>you just shoot whatever is in front of youthat can describe any hunting sim ever.
>>719768452First question is do you have a decent rig that can run UE5 games without major issues? If so you're mostly choosing on a mix of aesthetic front, controls and content.>Delta: has New Style for MGSV style controls with no sprinting, but comes at the cost of bullet drop for tranquilizer rounds and some odd changes to animations, while Legacy Style is just MGS3 with the new graphics. comes with Snake vs. Monkey, a new take on the Guy Savage secret minigame, boss rush, additional secret targets in every map to shoot plus a QoL tracker on whether you got them or not, and (most of) the Secret Theater with new additions, it's effectively definitive on overall MGS3 content>Master/HD Collection: it's 60 FPS, 720p MGS3 with some graphical/cinematic effects fucked up, but mostly playable besides the changes needed for controllers without pressure sensitivity, Master Collection has a lot of bugs though; all that extra content mentioned above is completely missing so you're just playing HD Subsistence with some visual/audio issues depending on the version>PCSX2 Subsistence: all the content that was supposed to be there, fan patches in the emulator itself for widescreen and 60 FPS if your computer can handle it (though if you can run Delta to begin with then this should be mostly fine), but the game was made for pressure sensitive buttons of the dualshock 2 in mind, requiring either awkward clunky usage of the controls or having some pressure modifier buttons to "simulate" different levels of button pressure as you playDelta isn't inherently bad, but if you're autistic about MGS3 the New Style does a lot of little changes that have pissed some diehards off even if it's basically so much of a remaster that most quirks otherwise remain. But some people will just prefer the PS2 aesthetic. The only "wrong" way to play is Master Collection with no mods/patches to try to unfuck it.
>>719768948And of an Addendum note:>speaking piracy you won't be able to play this, but Delta will get the Foxhunt multiplayer mode in a couple months; we dunno what it will entail but it will not be a new Metal Gear Online equivalent unfortunately>via some hackery solutions, PCSX2 can play the classic MGO1 from the Subsistence PS2 content if you and some friends or whatever want to fuck around with it>Legacy Mode on Delta is ONLY the original, vanilla MGS3 release's fixed camera, with no Subsistence camera in sight, not even a toggle, so that might hinder those looking for retro play with new graphics>Legacy Filter can be applied to the New Style game
>>719761258this is Kojima's best game so maybe everything after just couldn't live up to expectations
>>7197616372 had universal critical acclaim, great sales, and great user reviews. What mixed reception are you talking about?
>>719769463The game was criticized en mass despite it's good reviews and sales. Kojima had to release a trailer promoting no Raiden in the next game as a feature.
>>719769748Raiden being a gay twink nobody asked for didn't significantly impact most people's reception of the game. MGS didn't need saving after 2. In fact, Kojima didn't even want to return after 2 but did anyway because people wanted more from him.
>>719761258You can't even crawl in Peace Walker
>>719761951>There's an iPod in that gameDisplay an ipod in real life: No feeDisplay an ipod in a simulation of life: Fuck you pay me
>>719761258yeah but it led to Peak Walker so worth
I played like an hour of this and got bored, should I give it another shot? I played mgs2 and liked it a lot and mgs1 but something about it being outdoors just wasn’t as interesting to me. I also like the environment art style more of the older titles.
>>7197612581 and 2 were in indoors crawling simulators
>>719761258No. Peace Walker did. Ruined the story, ruined Big Boss, started pushing annoying garbage characters like Kaz Miller, and made the gameplay obsessed with abducting people to fill your base and grind upgrade research. The tone of the series really changed for the worse with PW and continued being terrible in V.
>>719772187>and made the gameplay obsessed with abducting people to fill your baseit was Portable Ops, you fucking secondary
>>719772393Never played it. Must have been shit too then. Point still stands that PW is awful and the series should have just ended at 4.
peace walker actually killed the series. as soon as kojima thought fulton recovery was a good idea there was no recovering
these niggas literally seethe about 2 (two) games that have fultons for entire decade
>>719768948I'm not reading all that
>>719772652Peace Walker was the first sign that Kojima was irreversibly too far up his own ass, we just didn't know it yet. The characters and dialogue became really insufferable. Death Stranding 2 is a culmination of everything he's been doing wrong ever since PW.
>>719772849Death Stranding 1 & 2 are both amazing games though
>>7197694632 was so bad that 3s sales were halved because they lied to fans and ruined their favorite game
>>719769875>Raiden being a gay twink nobody asked for didn't significantly impact most people's reception of the gameunderage, leaveyou have no fucking idea what you are talking about
>>719773102no one cared about raiden. everyone was too busy being impressed by ps2 graphics leap. raiden being a deal breaker is youtube essayist revisionism. source: i was there back then.
>>719773102Show me any objective metric that proves that MGS2's reception was so mixed it needed "saving." I'm in my 30s btw.
Peace Walker was where the series peaked. Fun game. There's a reason by MGSV was an expanded peace walker. J-Pop final boss was funny as well
MGS2 was so shit it lowered the sales of 3. Even though it had higjer sales there's a reason why Konami kept shoving MGS3 and Big Boss down our throats
>>719761258The other games were movies too, there isnt a perfect MGS game
>>719773360>there's a reason why Konami kept shoving MGS3 and Big Boss down our throatsCause Kojima liked him so much and for some reason found Solid a tired passe character?
>MGS2>PS2 lauch title >multi-platform>massive advertisement campaign >MGS3>mid PS2 era title>GTA SA released in the same year>PS2 exclusive >advertisment no where close to MGS2 levels>Raiden actually did turn some peolke away from the series
>>719773453Bro he wrote the character, he could have changed him to do anything he wanted lol
>>719761637 The biggest issue is writing the code to work with x64 architecture. Yes I know there was a working port that ran on xbox 360 dev kits but just how complete and stable the port was is unknown. From what I heard the MGS1 dream section utilized the PS3's internal PS1 emulator software which would be another pain in the ass to deal with. Also the licensing bullshit as mentioned by another anon.>>719761951It's more than just the ipod. Kojima loves putting in licensed products whenever possible. All of that can be switched to generic items. There was the Assassin's Creed outfit, Triumph motorcycles, Playboy magazines, and I think there were some licensed songs in the game. A lot of people would be crying about cut content. Besides even if Konami was willing to pay to renew the license sometimes the companies won't allow it for whatever reason. They would also have to go and rerecord some voice lines or awkwardly cut them out.
Crazy how most games have the most cringe writing but the twists are always so fucking good/satisfying. the Big Boss to Venom “on the intrude N1313” tape is fucking god tier
>>719774586They kept all the licensed stuff in Delta.
>>719773226>no one cared about raiden.Why did Kojima create Raikov then?
>>719761258I do agree that the Pac-man gameplay of the first four games is superior to everything that came after, at least up to Peace Walker.
>>7197720421 and 2 didn't have crawling, and full speed silent sprint >>>> crawling on your belly
>>7197612581=3>4>2>>>>>>PW>5
mgr:r and mgsv are the best games in the franchise
>>719774951Because it was a mockery
>>719761258>mixed-race people when the stealth game has stealth in it:
>>719761258this game is very clunky and quite frankly, badmgs5 is much better
>>719761258>crawlingSkill Issue
>>719765932I should make a game that is>Fathers are... LE GOODwith a female protagonist
>>719773226At school we thought Raiden was cool solely because of the sword, the side flip roll, the tornado kicks, etc. I didn't start hearing the opinion that Raiden was hated until I started watching G4.
>>719768948>but the game was made for pressure sensitive buttons of the dualshock 2 in mind, requiring either awkward clunky usage of the controls or having some pressure modifier buttons to "simulate" different levels of button pressure as you playDualshock 2/3 + DsHidMiniProblem solved
>>719774586>Kojima loves putting in licensed products whenever possibleI think he's genuinely autistic and thinks when a movie does it they are doing it by choice as opposed to it being a committee decision designed to just make back budget through internal advertising then he cargo culted himself his way into actually needing the ad revenue to finish MGS5.
>>719761258No. 2 was the decline of the series
>>719765932Isn't that literally just the bible though?
>>719782318it's just otaku thinking, fixating on specific models and stat sheets and so on, brands are just part of that.
>>719761258You crawl more in MGS3 than MGSV simply because of fixed camera angles and being closer to the enemy due to smaller, closed in spaces.
>>719766006The bossfights are also dogshit which doesn't help at all. Chapter 1 starts poorly and then eases you into the classic MGS gameplay then it all gets stolen from you at the end of chapter 2. You get like 1.5 hours of actual MGS gameplay in this thing before it turns into an on rails shooter or wandering around empty areas with gay robots.
>>719782270Also Snake Eater looks amazing in higher res on PCSX2, because of 99% vfx are scaling correctly
>>719782604
>>719773226Raiden was always seem as a faggot, tho. That's why Ivan Raidenovitch exists in MGS3. To mock the huge faggot he is.That only changed in MGS4.Not that anyone born after 2010 like you could tell.
>>719782604Too bad without pressure sensitivity the game feels like shit. I still play MGS3 "remaster" on steam and use the L3 buttons and shit to raise my pistol and it's annoying but manageable.
>>719782652
>>719761258True, it's a kojimbo went full retard moment. Then the PSP MGS (except the non canon acid spinoff) is a pandering to the MonHunt market because his kid didnt bother with his game and was playing MonHunt, he went and made MGSHunt and retconned everything before MGS3.
>>719782693>Too bad without pressure sensitivity the game feels like shit.Works fine on my macihne. I though, It was too sensitive on PS2, but on PCSX2 you have to push button harder. Or I'm imagining things.
>>719782759I mean you can still get pressure sensitivity work on PC >>719782270I'm planning to buy an another og DualShock 2 just in case. It's such a good little controller even In 2025.
>>719769463Holy revisionism Batman.
>>719782270You can also use triggers for pressure sensitive controls, I played through the game several times with circle and square swapped with r2 and l2 on a 360 controller. Tricky but playable.>>719777907Yes they did retard.
>>719768948I've played the original on an actual Playstation and I have no idea what the analog face buttons are used for.
>>719761258there were only three metal gear solids: 1, 2 and V. All the prototypes in between were failures
>>719761258its a game series made for teenagers. as an adult you simply cannot look at the genius of hideous kojima without feeling shame
>>719783567what did Hi mean by this?
>>719783785
I have noticed something. Kojima has always written narrative where the main character is always "on the defensive" so to speak. Whether it's Big Boss, Solid Snake, or Raiden, the main one is always being duped to some degree or is finding out some group with tremendous influence.Take MGS2. You only play as Snake for as long as he remains at a state of great disinformation. For the rest of the narrative, Snake (now an NPC) is with Otakon at the offensive, with greater knowledge and actively going after the Patriots. It's the same situation with MGS5, where you don't play as the real Big Boss for the entire game (except Ground Zero, where he is fooled by XOF and Emerich).It really tells me how weak of a writer Kojima is.
>>719774586>Yes I know there was a working port that ran on xbox 360 dev kits but just how complete and stable the port was is unknownApparently, it ran great, but the the reason for why it didnt release on Xbox was Kojima didnt care for Xbox and because it would be on like 4 discs.
>>719784289I think it's more that when the character becomes self-sufficient he doesn't need the player to control him either. His writing was always poor with some exceptions.
3 should have been the end point.MGS4 and Portable Ops 1, 2 and 3HD: Open World edition ruined everything by overexplaining stuff that didn't need it.
>>719784462Which is stupid since you had to install the act you wanted to play on early ps3 versions, having separate discs per act wouldn'tve been any different.
>>719784696Honestly, yeah. Even though I think everything involving the Boss is stupid, 3 as a prequel yet finale works extremely well.
>>7197846963 was an unrelated spin off prequel trying to expand the """""""""lore""""""""" with shit story and characters, it's existence is pointless without 4 since it contributes nothing good and only ruins the series
>>719769463The players. MGS2 has appreciated over time but at release it was absolutely divisive. You either got over raiden quickly or you won't like the game on the first playthrough.
>>719761637I started emulating 4 and when you get to play it, it's actually good like I remember. That doesn't fix the retarded rushed hammy fanservice story and the fact that the start of the game is press forward -> cutscene -> press forward ->cutscene. But they are skippable and people buy rereleases just to fuck around and play sandbox style anyway.
>>719784820It was a fine enough entry to tell what made Big Boss start hating glowies, what i didn't need to know is how many mercenary units he founded and how many metal gears he made in the time period until MG1, that's redudant.
>>719765470You can at least play how you want to and fix whatever your tism isMe, I play with cigar so I actually die when I get shot. Take the camo off or pick a basic one and stick with it. Your camo index still goes up when crawling but you also choose when to crawl and you never need to abuse it.
>>719784289This is a stupid postIt's an extremely common thing that the main character and the audience's perspective is low information, and not just in spy/conspiracy stories. I can't believe someone would say they "noticed" this. It's like noticing water is wet.Kojima is a weak writer because he writes stupid shit, not because water is wet in his stories.
>>719761637People didn’t like 2 just because of the raiden thingThey can cope and make up shit to not sound as stupid as letting a different protag get to them but it has the best areasMost substantial amount of gameplay until 5Best bossesGood ost And most wacky mgs shit Out of any of the games Mgs3 is a movie with 4 small areas they reuse 2-3 times each and only a single good boss It blows my mind they use the single not even that good intro area 3 times for the first 20% of the game
>>719785298But I liked Big Boss just being an angry terrorist soldier, the sob story about his mommy emasculates him, I can't respect him anymore.
>>719761258MGSV has better gamplay and controls.It's a shame everything else about it is shit-tier.
>>719786015Its just not finished, and too much member berries
>>719765623Does PCSX2 seriously still not have pressure controls? Wtf?
>>719784820I think it's kind of weird to say it was pointless unless it contributes to the larger anthology, especially when you can just make more games that connect unconnected games. Also consider this in the other direction, MGS4 is more pointless if you didn't play MGS2, that doesn't say anything useful. All that matters is if it's an entertaining story. You didn't like the story, that's the problem. It's not this reason you've come with after the fact even if you think you would've preferred a closer sequel or prequel in a vacuum. But that also has nothing to do with if the story is shit or not or if you'll hate it. Of course you are capable of hating direct sequels. That aside I was never a fan of ocelot being a medium for liquid with his attached arm. MGS3 succeeded in making that less stupid. Then kojima did all that work just to retcon it and he was only pretending.
>>719774391>he could just change the character into a different character!He did. He made Naked Snake.
>>719786157Kojima clearly regrets killing liquid in the first game Like a third of the series went out of its way to right that wrong.
>>719786015you can create your own harem of indocitrinated combat sluts
>>719786059> too much member berriesyeah the rest of the MGS franchise is well known for its unique takes in every game and definitely not rehashing the same story
>>719786327No dude i mean mantis and volgin didn’t need to be there.Like they just didn’t need to, it was really pathetic and sad desu
>>719786157>Then kojima did all that work just to retcon it and he was only pretending.To be fair the database says different. I know there's issues with the database being canon, but at least it presents a possible interpretation of the story where Ocelot wasn't just pretending the whole time. I'm almost certain Kojima came up with the hypnosis explanation just because he wanted another layer of "nothing being what it seems" not because he was interested in having a realistic explanation for how a possession could be possible.
>>719761258>secondary outs himself as not having played PortaOps
Splinter cell is a better series in everything but crazy metal gear story/dialog Chaos theory shits on all of mgs without breaking a sweat and isn’t a movie
>>719765235didn't try the new collection but i remember there were a couple of mods for the gog version of mgs2 that fixed a lot of issue and a third person subsistence mod like mgs3 for it, i don't know if it's fully done since it's been like 5 years since i checked it out
>>719786157>MGS4 is more pointless if you didn't play MGS2What does that supposed to mean? MGS3 is a prequel in a distant past mostly disconnected from the previous two games while 4 is a sequel intended to end the series, of course it would be pointless if you skipped an entry. MGS1 and 2 lose nothing if 3 never existed, it recontextualizes everything for the worse while being a dogshit story on its own. You've been memed into liking it. You will deny and argue but it's the truth.
>>719773226People did care maybe not you specifically but half of the appeal of mgs was that snake was a cool grizzly secret agent and an icon of the ps1Little Boys literally imagined themselves as snake when they grow upNow he gets replaced by a pretty boy twink.Which to be honest i think raiden has the best dialog and character out of any snake protagonist in their own games.Like i always enjoyed hearing him talk in codec callsMgs2 was a special game and i think it was the peak of kojima having interest in the ip
it's overrated. 2 was better
>>719787079Also changing out your famous iconic protagonist with another character and going out of your way editing trailer footage and switching models for the bait and switch is genius and genuinely the balliest move i ever seen in media.The only thing i will ever suck kojimas dick about, i can never see anyone else doing that.
>>719782687>That only changed in MGS4.because he turned him into gay fox
>>719761258The game manual did?
>>719786015MGS5 has awful controls. Every time you want to do anything you're rolling a dice to determine what happens because it's all context-sensitive slop with 20 actions mapped to the same input.
>>719761258It was the story that killed Metal Gear, not the gameplay. It turned Big Boss into some autistic retard who got played by everyone, and made The Boss the greatest thing since sliced bread. It undermined everything the previous games had established and it has been nothing but downhill from there.
>>719787018I'm saying MGS3 as a prequel is not pointless because you have to wait on a sequel for MGS3 to be connected to the anthology. Time gaps in either direction need a connecting work. Another way to think about it, MGS3 is not an effective prequel to MGS1&2 as you've said because it doesn't really have anything to do with them, it's effectively a prequel to MGS4. MGS3 and MGS4 make more sense if you think about them as a two parter with a huge time gap inbetween. Weird structure sure, but I don't see anything bad about the structure. It's like starting your final act with a flashback except it's game length.Oh? My real opinion? MGS2 has a shit story and the world building went to shit right there. The series anthology/saga is also terrible and MGS4 flopped at its chance to half way recover after MGS3 contributed little. But MGS1 and MGS3 have good contained stories, MGS1 having the best scenario writing hands down, operatic tones, and the best villains. MGS3 is popcorn entertainment with a likeable support cast and a strong ending.
>>719788339>MGS3 is popcorn entertainment with a likeable support cast and a strong ending.Disgusting, but I agree with you otherwise.
>>719788329Nah the franchise is carried by characters, not the story. >MGS1 they try to prop up that the corpse of Big Boss is worth risking a nuclear strike>half the games have plot points about creating super soliders aka Genome Soldiers, then VR missions plus the "false" S3 plan, MGS5 has the "make him look like Big Boss, and tell him he is Big Boss, then he becomes Big Boss".
>>719783470what kind of closet are oyu hiding in? just have fun and if you dont look for something else retard
