This game single handendly killed the Zelda series
>best selling game killed the seriesweird definition but okay
It got the killing blow, but BotW did half the work before itI really hope the new zelda will just be something like TP again, just give me a world with dungeons and items to be explored in a linear fashion
>>719771000There's a new game coming out before the end of this year, and while it might be a musou it's a direct sequel (prequel maybe?) to ToTK.Games that kill series don't get spinoffs normally.
>>719771000The decline of the Zelda series was gradual and marked by an increasing inability to deliver a complete game on time.Skyward Sword did much more to hurt the series by sticking to surface level ideas of the Zelda formula while discarding all of the underlying game design, resulting in a game that polarized people against the older Zelda design in preparation for a newer, less focused and more homogeneous approach.If I had to put the blame on anything single handedly killing the Zelda series, it's probably Japanese work culture that resulted in the ascendancy of Aonuma and a continuing inability to actually fix the deficiencies of the team.>>719771665>MuslopYou may as well be bragging about gacha games.
>>719771000That's not Wind Waker.
>>719771000trvke nvke
>>719771852I'm not reading all that.
>>719771000Aonuma killed Zelda slowly starting with Wind Waker. I was a kid when WW came out and loved it but looking back on it the artstyle change was insane. And that wasn't even the real problem. Nothing really was ever as good as what came before ever again.
>>719771000That was Breath of the wild.
>>719771000What a strange way to say saved.
>>719771000>this universally acclaimed, massively popular and mega successful game killed the series.
>>719773336>this universally aCK!!!
Won't be playing the warriors game. The nuZelda lore is so abysmally fucking boring. BotW Zelda was my least favorite iteration of the character, and TotK didn't improve that, even though I like short hair.
>>719773415>TotK only 100 awards rather 101 awards
You guys don't like shitty physics puzzles for retarded children? POGPOGPOG
Why can't anyone compete with Bingtendo?
>>719771000>not OoTNGMI
could we TRY not replying to the ritualposters for at least one day?
>>719773627This post single-handedly killed this thread.
>>719774187Why? We are archiving all the mental breakdowns, so when Microsoft and Sony get Sega'd we can look back and laugh at how schizo these losers were.
qrd on totk defenders? it's not a zelda game so they are clearly not zelda fans
>>719771000
>>719771549>>719773336>>719773627>it did not kill the series because it became a generic corporate product for normalfags who don't even like the games!!!Wow. Guess Bethesda saved Fallout. Just like Disney taking over Star Wars. And 5e DnD combined with Critical Role. And the RE demakes. And the Silent Hill 2 demake.
>>719774454>comparing a widely positively acclaimed game that's still discussed to this day to fotm slopdude
>>719774454What is this schizo babbling about?
>>719774493Yes, I am indeed comparing corporate slop to other corporate slop.>>719774552That being turned into a corporate bland product for normalfags that don't like the series is not a good thing.
>>719771000>Zelda 2's different camera angle killed the series>LttP's not having the freedom of the first game killed the series>OoT having a third dimension killed the series>Wind Waker having a cartoon aesthetic killed the series>Minish Cap's kinstones killed the series>Twilight Princess' "plot" killed the series>Skyward's motion controls killed the series>BotW/TotK's open world and tools killed the seriesEvery time the series tries something new, you fags act like it's the worst thing for the franchise. I'm just glad the devs rightfully ignore you types and keep trying new shit.
>>719771000trips of truth.
Heard the rumor that Valve is making a console? PlayStation 6 is so fucking dead.
>>719774614Slapping generic AAA bullshit into a series that had none of that is not "trying something new". It's greed and laziness. Kys.
>>719771000tears is a soulless lazy money grab,
>>719774694Calling TotK "lazy" only proves you're a retard who doesn't understand video games at all.
>>719774608Keep schizoing nigger. We are all saving these threads.
>>719774783Yes, just throwing in garbage copied from american AAA games with zero actual understanding on how they'll fit in with zelda or how to make them work well is the definition of laziness. Also I have no interest in marketing material in this conversation.
You ever notice how it's always Nintendo fanboys that come to the defense of BotW/TotK and not Zelda fans?
>>719771000mindbroken snoytroon seething over it 24/7 kek
>>719771000your birth single handedly killed your parents hopes and dreams
>>719774796>we areDiscord link?
>>719774831Low IQ. You don't understand the appeal of Zelda at all. I'm glad Nintendo have filtered fake fans like you.
>>719774842Botw simps don't even like Zelda. The fact that they'll bitch and moan about OOT or spam a completely wrong image of Zelda NES says everything.
>>719774871Trans only sorry
>>719774906>You don't understand the appeal of Zelda at all>fake fansBut enough about BOTW fans. Also, I already told you that I have zero interest in marketing material.
>>719771000Tears of the Kingdom?More like..Slop of the Goyim
>>719774796not him. I will say that you can keep liking it as long as you acknowledge that it's a classic franchise that turned into normie slop. but you'll keep trying to argue ad-populim anyway.
The best fun is playing Nintendo's awesome games, the second best fun is watching niggers seething over Nintendo.
>>719774694>"series tries something new never done before in series">"Um... other game not in series does this?"I'm surprised they let you out of school at all if your reading ability is this low.
>>719774913this. they love using bait like "classic zelda is just like botw". best not to engage at all.
Nintendo mindbroke this board
>>719774842TotK was irredeemably dogshitpeople who like it are merely enjoying individual parts of it, are being selective in their appraisal, or just fucking fanboys glazing for console/game war reasons.but the truth of the matter is that, as a whole, it's a uncohesive mess with a lot of details that are lazily executed, esp. the story, structure of the game, and world/content.>>719771000Undeniable trvthnvke.
>>719774906Putting the fucking "Bot" in Bot-W.
>>719774998>The best fun is playing Nintendo's awesome gamesYeah, not anything made within the last 10+ years
>>719775116She's been posting this fake emulator glitch for a decade lmao
>>719775149>fakefalse
>>719775082>>719775116While you typed that TOTK sold another 500 thousand copies.
Uh oh, Cultendo melty
>>719771000botw*
Paragliders were a mistake in Totk. Navigating sky islands didn't feel adventurous because you were always safe.
>>719771549botw sold better than this shitty stand alone expansion
>>719771000botw did it first and before that SS. the only times zelda has been good since SS is handheld games that were basically remakes of good zeldas and the experimental fun with friends game. As of right now the series is in such a state that they would have to do something so drastically different to get back on coarse and I just dont see that happening. Probably can't expect change for at least another decade or 2.
>>719775237botw is on 3 consoles
>>719771000I knew this was probably gonna be shit because it was another botw, but I had my hopes that it would be another nuts and bolts and it doesnt even come close to as good as that.
The schizo is still posting.
>>719775109holy fucking shit that explains a lot.>>719775082I do in fact like some parts of botw/totk. but damn, it's hard to ignore it's flaws. I don't know how the hell they do it. from botw's boring lack of dungeons to totk's frustratingly half-baked building system and outsourced plot. I just don't believe anyone who's glazing these games as "good".
>>719775116Fake emulator glitch
>>719774694All Nintendo's games are trending in this direction. I have no clue why they are so locked in on the openworld slop formula.List of nintendo franchises killed by open world bullshit so far:>Mario Kart>Pokémon>Zelda>3D MarioNote how much better performance and gameplay was, how much easier to develop these games were before nintendo decided to force shallow open world mechanics into them for zero benefit.Mario Kart World took like two console generations to develop, and for what? Everyone could immediately tell there was nothing to interact with in the open world portion of the game. Everyone immediately tried to play the normal levels, but were stopped by nintendo.
TotK is so good it's also the highest rated game of 2025.
>>719775637probably has like 3 reviews glazing it.
>>719775597Tell us how you really feel.
>>719775597>List of nintendo franchises killed by open world bullshit so far:>>Mario Kart>>Pokémon>>Zelda>>3D MarioAll those games are universally acclaimed and massively successful. It only proves that Nintendo keeps making great games that people actually want to play while the rest of the industry collapses, and Nintendo don't even make Pokemon.Keep being retarded lmao
>>719775397talking bout yourself again?
>>719771000I don't play Zelda to build cars. Both the combat and the horseback riding are so shallow, they haven't innovated since fucking Twilight Princess(better game)."open-ended" "puzzles" are also really fucking lame and unsatisfying. The UI is boring, ugly, and annoying to navigate as well, just a long-ass line of the shit you pick up.
>>719775754>mario kartI dont know anyone who actually likes world past the first few hours>pokemonultimate slop eaters with brain damage play these games>zeldanot even zelda games but they appeal to normiefags>mariosame as zelda but does better at pretending to be a 3d mario since it went back to having good movement controls after almost 2 decades
Pity bumping a dead thread.
>>719775867Your entire post is schizo drivel lmao. Is this how you cope? Shall we look at the monthly worldwide gaming charts again? What are people playing while you shit yourself on 4troon?
>>719775910if those games are so good why arent you playing them now?
>>719775754>It only proves that Nintendo keeps making great games that people actually want to playwell, I don't want to play them. That's why I said it. I was a nintendo fan prior to the Switch.
>>719773591Not even sure why nuZelda got two of the things. oldZelda got one, but it seemed like it was intended as seeing faces from many years of the series together in a little celebration rather than trying to buy time between main titles.
>>719773627Mainline Zelda games always win shit tons of awards, and the latest Zelda is always the best Zelda ever along side Ocarina of time.But anyone defending Breath of the Weapon Breaking and Tears of Weapons Breaking More are legit retarded, there is a lot of good, best Zelda overworlds, but worse Zelda gameplay because everything fucking breaks so finding something cool is fucking pointless because you can only swing them 3-4 times before they break.In past 3D Zelda games when I open a chest and it starts playing the important item jingle, I feel hyped, in BOTW/TOTK when I find an actual item in a chest instead of rupees I feel ripped off because im never going to use it, I am incentivized to avoid combat entirely, and I will eventually throw that item away when I inevitably find something better due to the retarded hidden scaling system.
The schizo is now posting porn to save his dead thread.
>>719775040>series tries something new never done before in seriesAnd it involves lazily copying AAA garbage that doesn't belong in the series. A mario game with Soulslike combat, gear score, PVP, jet combat and Minecraft survival craft gameplay would all be new for the series but would mix like water and oil.
>>719775591>Fake emulator glitch>literally does the same thing but with slow-mo
>>719776174AAAA TEXAS ANONS GET DOWN
>>719776228Yeah, the guy shitting on BotW... Is posting BotW porn to save his thread shitting on BotW.
>>719776195>anyone defending Breath of the Weapon Breaking and Tears of Weapons Breaking More are legit retarded, there is a lot of good, best Zelda overworlds, but worse Zelda gameplay because everything fucking breaks so finding something cool is fucking pointless because you can only swing them 3-4 times before they break.Finding weapons isn't then point. If you're autistic about holding on to toys rather than the experience of constantly evolving your strategy to overcome adversity, then you've missed the point of "adventure" altogether.
>>719776496>constantly evolving your strategy to overcome adversityI fail to see how every weapon being made of glass helps with that. Especially considering they all fit 2 categories:>spam attack button>shoot
>>719774454>because it became a generic corporate product for normalfags who don't even like the games!!!And it wasn't that from OoT to SS?
>>719776439Wouldn't be the first time, remember ACfag is the one behind "remodel her shithole" yet would constantly say how he hates porn.
>>719776653Yes, I know that you don't like OOT. Now where's the part where you pretend Zelda NES was a open world sandbox?
>>719775597>All Nintendo's games are trending in this directionYeah sure all of them, except Metroid.And 3D MarioAnd 2D MarioAnd 2D ZeldaAnd XenobladeAnd SmashAnd Donkey KongAnd Animal CrossingAnd Fire EmblemAnd SplatoonAnd KirbyAnd literally everything that isn't those three games that have a total of four games between them.
>>719776871So you're not denying that it was generic normalfag shit in that time period.
>>719776871NTA but it's not about liking or disliking something, the fact is that from OoT all the way to Skyward Sword Zelda was a generic corporate product.As for open world, if you really want to be anal about it the first was Wind Waker.
>>719775597Zelda games are supposed to have good over worlds, the problem with BOTW/TOTK is the rest of the fucking game being a complete shitshow thanks to breakable weapons and the fact they give you all your equipment and movement options at the very start of the gameInstead of getting stronger, you feel like you're getting weaker as the red and blue base mobs get replaced by silver versions of the same mobs with 10x more health, while your weapons are getting stronger too, they still break in 40 hits. For reference one of the best weapons in the game has 40 damage and 54 hits of durability, thats 2160 damage, thats just enough to kill 3 Silver Bokoblins, which at the point you get this weapon will spawn in packs of 5-10Then of course you have the lack of item progression, because everything is generic weapons with shit durability, and not only that because they give you all your stuff at the start of the game, instead of opening up more and more of the game to you by you exploring, finding a new thing, and opening new paths to find new stuff, you instead explore to find a shrine, which you will then enter, and either have to play a minigame based on something you've been doing since the first 5 minutes of the game, or you will have your abilities stripped from you to pretend like you're playing a the first 5 minutes of a different zelda game, kind of like the no fludd stages in Super Mario Sunshine.
>>719777113>ocarina of time>generic corporate productPFFFFFFFFFFFFFFTJust go back to the BOTW subreddit/discord.
>>719777128Meanwhile in reality your armor buffs completely mitigate that feeling of weakness.
>>719777252It very much was. The only special thing it had was Z targeting otherwise it wasn't any different to the other action adventure games of the time esoeciak after they all started copying it.
>>719776496>evolve your strategiesby that you mean avoid combat unless it is absolutely nessisary or spam infinite bombs or drop shit on people's heads?I wanted a Zelda game, not Nintendo's take on Gary's Mod.
>>719776902>And 3D Marioodyssey, bowser's fury>Donkey KongArguable. It's turning into a sandbox physics game like botw and totk.The reason things like 2D games and Smash Bros won't turn into openworld slop is because there is no easy mainstream model to copy in those genres.
>>719776632>classic button mashing retardI would keep a flame weapon for lighting camp fires and even just keep me warm in cold climates. Electric wands can decimate enemy gangs in rain.You can decimate entire camps without even drawing your sword.The list of engagement options goes on and on.If you're just going to button mash everything like a retard then you deserve to be filtered like a retard.
>>719777273Armor buffs just makes it so you can ignore mobs easier, it doesn't solve the problem, it just makes the problem less inconvenient.
>>719777128>the fact they give you all your equipment and movement options at the very start of the gameNot even remotely true. You don't have any of the arrow types, armour sets, magical abilities or even a fucking horse by the time you leave the starting area.
>>719777358Yes, I know that the game is pathetially easy and offers zero challenge. Also literally just fill your inventory with spicy food and cold doesn't exist.
>>719777413>Armor sets>magical abilities>HorseNone of these things are essential to doing anything else in the game, you get bombs, stasis,magnet, glider at the very start of the game, and start with climbing, and those are the only mechanics essential to progressing the game.Nothing else in the game needs an armor set, nothing else in the game requires the 4 sage abilities, nothing else in the game requires a horse. Yeah having a good horse is nice and makes traveling easier, until you realize you're going to be climbing and gliding everywhere anyway to get to shrines, which lets you in turn teleport around on a whim, fully negating the use of a horse.
>>719777413None of these are essential or game changing. You don't have a single moment like in old zelda games where you unlock something like the dark world in Link To The Past and it feels like the world just grew massively in size & you can go to all these new places and reach things you couldn't before.
>>719778019>None of these are essential or game changingEvery single champion ability is a literal game changer.
>>719778130They are not needed for beating the game. Literally everything between the end of the tutorial and killing ganon is a meaningless side quest. It's no wonder Totk acts like a lot of stuff from BOTW didn't happen, they literally made everything that isn't "link wakes up" and "links kill Ganon" depend on the player.
>>719778253>They are not needed for beating the gameThey're options which vastly change the game. If you want an item that MUST BE OBTAINED to be beat the game then you're asking for child-tier hand-holding.I'm glad Zelds has moved past that. I beat the game on my own terms.
>>719771000this game singlehandedly made Zelda series finally fun
>>719778253damn i guess every single game that can be beaten with a broken swords but also has magic or guns in it actually shit and pointless side quest cause you only need the broken sword to beat the game.
>>719777353>odyssey, bowser's furyDo you know what an open world game is? It's a game that allows you to go anywhere and progress relatively non-linearly. Neither of these games do this, Odyssey has completely separate worlds and Bowser's Fury unlocks areas of the single map.>ArguableNo, there's no argument to be made. Unless you don't know what these words mean. Even if we're being generous and going by your definition it would only bring that count up to four against the other 30 to 50 or games.>because there is no easy mainstream model to copy in those genres.Problem is Kirby already had a method with Amazing Mirror back in 2004. Also note how that didn't change anything about the series. Same with Xeno mind you since X is open world and the only one in the series that is but I digress.The point is Nintendo just does what they want regardless of what the trend is, in fact if they were following trends BOTW, Mario Kart and Pokemon wouldn't be open world they would be boring, cinematic, realistic trash.
>>719777359>just makes it so you can ignore mobs easier, it doesn't solve the problem, it just makes the problem less inconvenient.And the combat armor skills?
>>719778772
BOTW appeals to people who don't play zelda
>>719776902I'd argue that Animal Crossing did do it since they took BOTW's exploding tools and crafting and you have a smartphone in place of the sheikah tablet
>>719779201goyslop >>>>>> prehistoric hyper linear siera quest esque game design with garbage game feel that couldn't even change the aiming from retarded first person bullshit. When fucking sonic adventure mogs all pre-botw zelda in terms of tech, game design, fucking writing and world filling despite coming out the same time as OOT it's extremely embarassing. And none of the games after improving on it at all is even more so. And for maximum cringe they took the only one with game feel and mechanics (majora's mask) and cut them in the remake. Absolutely insane people. MW BotW is actually delivering on the promise of guy with sword saving the world through being kinda crafty
>>719775109the knights are bullshit
>>719778565>whaaaat??? I have to actually... do stuff and... beat the game... before I win?! Noooo that's baby stuff I just want a wacky sandbox!!!Lol.>>719778968Do a food analogy next time.
>>719773336And for that reason you're never getting a Zelda in the classic format again.
>>719771000that was botw.
>>719771852>If I had to put the blame on anything single handedly killing the Zelda series, it's probably Japanese work culture that resulted in the ascendancy of Aonuma and a continuing inability to actually fix the deficiencies of the team.In terms of quality, the company has been in decline for almost 20 years. The SNES-GameCube run set a high bar for game quality, and even through Nintendo has released a few good games for each subsequent console, these good releases only get less common with time. I really think the WiiU did more damage than we know because something about the bulk of the Switch's library is distinctly soulless in a corporate way.
botw appeals to people play zelda, except ootsnoys
>>719779374>OOT, MM and WW is "hyper linear"No you idiot, they were a good mix of open and linear, they had strong narratives that took place in the present while at the same time giving you the option to run/sail around and explore in a non-linear fashion. Skyward sword and to a lesser degree twilight princess are really linear and railroaded which is why they're widely considered the worst in the series.BotW/TotK is at the opposite end of the spectrum with their extremely non-linear design that ends up hurting the narrative and eliminates most sense of progression because they're forced to rely on flashbacks and challenges that can be discovered in any order. I don't think hyper non-linear the way to go, they would be better off perusing what made the older games great.
>>719780447Take a look at the promotional artwork for OoT.This is the artwork they're trying to sell the game on. This is the experience they're trying to imply you'll have.This artwork is more reminiscent of BotW than it is OoT. BotW was always the game Nintendo were trying to make.
>>719779289Again, no. That's a completely different thing.At this point you're just saying any change is a change towards something you don't like even if it isn't.
>>719780581Chirst you're way too deranged for this discussion
>>719779374BOTW and TOTK are also hyper linear, you're just retarded if you can't beat ganon in an hour or two.
>>719781094>BOTW and TOTK are also hyper linearThe absolute state of this cartoon shithole board.
>>719774454correct, to the overwhelming majority of people that is indeed exactly how it works actually.
>Not one reference to the boogieman this threadImpressive.
>>719781094>BOTW and TOTK are also hyper linearlma0o wut??
>>719771000I think it's fun and I still play it every couple of weeks.
>>719781661>>719781210>spawn in>do tutorial>kill ganonIts not hard>b-but you can do other stuff!!!You can do other things in other Zelda games too, hunt for item upgrades, collect heart peices, masks, ect, that aren't part of the main quest.Doing any of the side quests in BOTW or TOTK ins like collecting all the masks in MM, it makes the final boss piss easy, but its not nessisary to beat the game, difference is Majora's Mask didn't forget its a zelda game and has more items and abilities than bomb, stasis, and magnet.
>>719774454>Guess Bethesda saved FalloutThey did. An overwhelming majority of people who think they "killed" the series wouldn't be aware of it in the first place if not for 3 and haven't played either of the first two games, nevermind the pre-Bethesda spinoffs (which actually did nearly kill the series).
Every fucking day this tranny thread
>>719783170>Majora's Mask didn't forget its a zelda gameSeries built upon freedom and exploration and yet MM puts a literal fucking ticking clock on screen to limit freedom and exploration. Shitty ass OOT rom hack game, one of the worst Zeldas.
>/v/ is still seething over BOTW eight years laterHow did Nintendo mindbreak an entire board this hard?
>>719771000>another Nintendiscord raid thread
>>719785365the series is still raped so why should people change their opinion all of a sudden
it's pretty clear at this point that /v/ only likes BotW and TotK out of spite, the same way Pokefags started buying Pokemon even harder out of spite for the NatDex people
>>719785959while you are right about the spite posters on /v/ both ubislop zeldas and the nu-pokemon games are simply bought by a new audience that never played the originals.
>>719783170>Yes you can do other things but I choose not to. this means it's a linear gameok
>>719771000ftfy
>>719783170>do tutorialEven the tutorial isn't linear. Fucking retarded cunt.
The almost decade long seethe from you has made it worth while.
>>719787141The problem with BOTW and TOTK is that the other stuff is pointless, and with the exception of the wind sage abilities in both games they're a waste of time at worst, or actively hurting the experience because every beast/temple done increases the hidden level scaling causing bokolins to spawn as silver.And none of the regional stories even resolve until you beat ganon, and they'd resolve if you beat ganon anyway.
>>719781715why do that to yourself
>>719787650>The problem with BOTW and TOTK is that the other stuff is pointlessI swear to fuck, BotW/TotK maybe the greatest pleb filters ever created by man. They need to actually use these video games in schools to help identify low IQ retards.
>>719781094it's not really linear per-se. Just has no incentive to play the game in general. You're just dropped into a map with some endless plains of grass and some generic enemy camps that are pointless to defeat then sprinkle some copy pasted puzzles on that and make it a 999x collectathon like they did with odyssey. If anything it should be classified as a non-game, or sandbox game.
>>719787650>>719787720>>719787867You lost and got raped;;;;; Eric
>>719787867>it's not really linear per-se. Just has no incentive to play the game in general.Kek fucking stop lmao
>>719787867>Just has no incentive to play the game in general.This is a tranny subhuman mindset.kill yourself
nobody hates the Zelda series as much as BotW fans
>>719787979You lost and got raped;;;;; Eric
>>719787954It's a Zelda game that tries to emphasize the gameplay elements and open world technology over the things that actually made zelda games great. Everything was watered down to generic assets as a consequence to be able to fill the larger map and leverage the new gameplay systems. Only problem is that the gameplay systems turned out to be largely irrelevant and not worth the players time.
>>719788303You lost and got raped;;;;; Eric
>>719785365>go around shouting and screaming that Nintendo is dead after the Wii U flopped (completely ignoring the success of the 3ds)>begging for their games to be ported because they don't want to buy their system>Nintendo reveals the switch and it's an instant hit>anti-Nintendo discord are livid about that and make it their life goal to take them down>fail time and time again because people here do their researchAnd that's how.
>>719787650>The problem with BOTW and TOTK is that the other stuff is pointless,Then why play games in the first place? Most games have optional content and unlockables that are "pointless" but people still do them.
>>719771000oops wrong pic
>>719772773Stupid mobilefag
>>719788303Holy fuck. Just stop playing games. You clearly don't understand how your brain is engaged them, and you only want to play brain-dead baby-tier linear slop, where you're constantly held by the hand, told what to do and where to go.
>>719788303>over the things that actually made zelda games greatWhich would be the gameplay elements and open world technology.Zelda was getting far too linear and story centric after OoT and sort of lost its way for the gimmicks getting more and more linear for the sake of them.
>>719789467Don't you have 200 more korok seeds to collect so you can carry 3 more weapons that break in 20 hits?
>>719789456>>719789751You lost and got raped;;;;; Eric
>>719789467nu-zelda is brain dead tier open world slop you stupid fucking nigger
>>719789751No I was too busy indulging in the sheer wealth of other content, constantly building my character up, growing stronger until *I* decided I was ready to go save the princess. Pretty incredible video game.
>>719788303>It's a Zelda game that tries to emphasize the gameplay elements and open world technologyWhich is the best part of Zelda that oot explored and botw capitalized upon.>b-but [some other game doing open world] badI don't play non-Nintendo games.
>>719789907>brain dead tier open worldWhat the fuck does that say about every other video game in existence? Because they're all laughable compared to Zelda.
>>719789952>I don't play non-Nintendo games.He finally admits to his fanboyism.
>>719789907>>719790089You lost and got raped;;;;; Eric
>>719789467>>719789639no, like i just told you there is no point in playing these games. Games where your actions or lack of actions has no consequence on the game's outcome tend to not be very fun from a gameplay perspective. Botw show the beginning of many new systems but ultimately provide none of the constraints to make for an engaging gameplay experience.Now let me be clear. Zelda games have never been the pinnacle of gameplay driven game design but I still enjoyed them. The reason I'm roasting these games as opposed to earlier entries is because everything else suffered to accomodate the larger scale and survival slop focus. This game is just a whole bunch of nothing. It's a sandbox game like >>719789356 pointed out
>>719790197You lost and got raped;;;;; Eric.Your tranny mindset is irrelevant, kill yourself
>>719771000Everyone's first zelda is their favorite, and it will always be that way.There are good things about BOTW (And TOTK since they're essentially the same game)>First proper overworld since Majora's Mask>Non-linear optional story>Fun mobilityBut there is way too much dogshit to overlook>inventory management with a dogshit UI>korok seeds>no power progression, the more hearts/stamina you get, the more health monsters get, by a factor of 10, this is legit worse than bethesda level scaling>no cool gadgets or items, just a hundred or so weapons that break in 20 hits
>>719789467people who actually played games before arent impressed by babbies first ubislop game.
>>719790457You lost and got raped;;;;; Eric
>>719789952>I don't play non-Nintendo games.
>>719771000its just amazing how many scams nintendo retards will buy. this expansion pack for full price, mario kart world, another expansion pack, for $80, digital only ports for $70 on a key card, roms for full price. when will these idiots get tired of ruining the game industry?
>>719774454:_;
>>719789952>I donn't play non-Nintendo games.
>totk seethe thread because famitsu is todaylol
>>719771000In all honesty, it was OoT that killed the series. Zelda doesn't work in 3D. Most Nintendo IPs were killed for the same reason. Mario, Metroid, Donkey Kong. They don't work in 3D. But this is a conversation /v/ isn't ready to have.
>>719771000>Majora's Maks came out like a year after OoT>Refining a strong base resulted in the best game in the series>Tears of the Kingdom came out like 7 years after Breath of the Wild>Was a pile of shitHow did they do it?
>>719790979we just have to agree they are all fundamentally different games that only share the setting and character in common.Classic 3D Zelda is not 2D ZeldaBotw and Totk is not Classic 3D ZeldaThe Zelda name is just a technicality. The gameplay is fundamentally different between all three categories.
It's a good game but not a good Zelda game
>>719790197>Games where your actions or lack of actions has no consequence on the game's outcome tend to not be very fun from a gameplay perspective.Then why play any game? You clearly don't like the experience of playing, exploring and experimenting which are the cornerstones of interactivity
>>719771852>You may as well be bragging about gacha games.Get Doug Bowser on the phone, he's gonna want to see this
>>719771000As much as I hold against BotW: Nuts and Bolts for merely existing I would say it's merely a symptom. Zelda truly lost the plot with Wind Waker's rushed development. That game's design and reception set off a ripple effect that we're still seeing today, first in the increasingly linear and constrained direction of the decade's worth of games that succeeded it, and now the subsequent overcorrection of that direction after one game (A Link Between Worlds) arguably got close to getting it right.
Best Zelda game.
>>719791571You are correct that most AAA games have really shit game design. Like I said, I was fine with it in previous titles because the maps were hand crafted and had less filler and better story characters and music. You felt a sense of change, adventure and urgency throughout the world rather than just doing puzzles in a sandbox.
>>719771000>creativity gatekept behind objectively boring farming>puzzles solve themselves>no combat improvements and inadvertently removed discovered tech from botw>terrible story>copypasted content everywhere>game looks like ass on intended hardware jaggies everywhere>overworld not designed similar to dungeons or eventide type zones>combine mechanic functionally adds very little but makes you believe there are 100 things to try by not excluding useless items from its UI>no permanent content except another gay toddler zone in a game only teenagers can competently interact withI struggle to understand why the devs left so much obvious design space out of the game. The sign balance thing for instance why would you as a dev include that instead of a domicile spec minigame or fixer upper minigame where you design small structures or patch together things for people? Maybe there's memory issues ok. What about the vehicle mechanic why are we constantly forced to use local materials that solve the issues for us? Why are we gated so hard from coming up with our own solutions with those zonai rocks or whatever they're called? Another thing is that you're not allowed to combine items properties like a kirby builder dream game for example fusing ice into a zonai fan. That seemed to me like the most obvious improvement to the fusing mechanic to make it feel like an incredible wildcard of interactions. Also simply giving us things like fans engines etc is really stupid at least as stupid as the floating junkyard in that one open world sonic game.
This dude is replying to almost every single post in the thread calling them Eric.
>>719793314That doesn't answer the question, after all the only Zelda games to change significantly over time were Majora, Minish Cap, Botw and totk based on certain questlines and what not.In any case, you're saying you want that generic, linear AAA game design because it makes you feel like your choices matter when they don't and you're not actually making a choice.
>>719793746Because that is Eric. He's been caught multiple times saying his lost and raped line with his trip on, that's why he's added the semi-colons so you can't search them all together in the archives but for some reason he doesn't realise you can just remove them.
more like breath of the mild LMAO
>>719793927I'm not your dude man I legitimately want the game to be good and hope they don't throw this away to do something different next time. This formula is bordering on peak performance but for whatever reason the result so far don't reflect the ambition of the mechanics.
>>719793906NO man are you blind? I am saying over and over again Zelda has never had good game design (maybe zelda 1 and 2). No Zelda has good game design ok? I don't play zelda for game design, period.If you want good game design play something like binding of isaac.
>>719794359You lost and got raped;;;;; Eric
>>719789093I'm a wiiu defender, but think nu-zelda is trash. Your theory is bunk
>>719794359>If you want good game design play something like binding of isaac.Which takes a lot of elements from Zelda which defeats your argument.You can just admit that you want to shitpost you know.
>>719793547>The sign balance thing for instance why would you as a dev include that instead of a domicile spec minigame or fixer upper minigame where you design small structures or patch together things for people?You clearly never played the game you fucking retard, they're everywhere. Also, TotK rapes your favorite game so hard that it's prolapse anus hangs like a sock.
>>719793746That's how BotW/TotK threads go.
>>719794719You're proving his theory since anti-tendies latch on to the wii u and Iwata as the last good era of Nintendo in order to shitpost about the current era.
Tears of the Kingdom sold more copies than Baldur's Gate and had more higher scoring reviews but somehow BG3 won at TGA?
Why did this nigga (You) me
why are they like this?
>>719794873>hislol
>>719794914I AM GOTY!I AM GOTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>719794873He literally said the opposite retard
>>719794939Can you refute that anon?
>>719794719>>719794809>>719794939>>719794870You lost and got raped;;;;; Eric
>>719795028YES.
>>719795021>>719795028>>719795031You lost and got raped;;;;; Eric
>>719794939do you think they get paid? i mean nintendo is willing to pay all kinds of people to shill, litigate, license toys, etc. they will spend money on anything except making good games.
The open world nu-Zelda games have more in common with Starfield and No Man's Sky than with classic Zelda or other action/adventure dungeon crawler games.
>>719795039I played these games so you're not wrong, but what does the dude from thug have to do with this?
>>719794745well it clearly doesn't take any inspiration from botw or it would have to improve the source material drastically.
>>719771000Im not even sure how they could continue zelda after this and that's bad imo.They absolutely ruined the franchise.Hopefully im wrong, but it does feel like that.
>>719795028People praise Zelda for its gameplay. BG3's gameplay is so bad people try not to talk about it.
>>719795240Well of course it doesn't Botw released after BoI and even rebirth.That said, Botw has more in common with Zelda 1 than Zelda 1 does with other games in the series so it wouldn't be wrong to say BoI has more in common with Botw than it does other Zelda games.
>>719795176>>719795184>>719795196>>719795240>>719795258You lost and got raped;;;;; Eric
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>>719795176Why would they pay anyone when you have autistic cultists who do it for free?
>>719795496Bg3 lost and got raped
>>719795485Cope and seethe you retarded spamming brown nigger hahahaha;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
It was kind of hilarious watching people go from 200% hype before Tears launching to 200% dissapointment 3 week later as they started realizing the biggest chunks on actual new content that weren't just ported from Breath were the new tutorial sky-island and the barren wastelands of the dephts.
>>719795496>TotK is so good that seething schizos desperately need to convince themselves that a better game must exists somewhere LMFAOO
>>719795432you seem to think mere inspiration decides what is a great game or not. It's all about what the actual game is like not your vague interpretation of what inspired what. that has no meaning to the player experiencing the game. Isaac is a great game design because the designer knew what they were doing, the opposite is true for botw. Historical trivia won't change that.
>>719795585>>719795496>>719795663>>719795690You lost and got raped;;;;; Eric
>>719774831You can hate the actual gameplay experience or story or whatever all you like, but to try and assert the game isn't a technical marvel is utterly retarded and only exposes you as someone who has no fucking clue what they're talking about. Good job faggot.
>>719795708Are you really pretending that RDR2 doesn't exist?
>>719795890it's only a marvel because of how shit the hardware is
>>719795708Baldyrs gate is garbage. If you want something better you can pick up pretty much any other Zelda game and it will be better.
>>719795789>you seem to think mere inspiration decides what is a great game or notAnon, you're the one who brought up BoI in the first place.We wouldn't be having this conversation if it weren't for you.>Isaac is a great game design because the designer knew what they were doingIf you really want to get analytical then no, Isaac's game design is pretty bad granted that's just the nature of rogue likes and potentially getting screwed over with a terrible item but isaac is worse especially with later updates where bosses can just take forever to beat not to mention the damage reduction and items you can't get without having other specific items.
>>719795967>Nintendo running rings around every other developer Embarrassing really.
>>719795920>>719795967You lost and got raped;;;;; Eric
>>719795890>Has cool tech>Interacting with it is janky and is significantly slower and less optimal than than doing the boring easy way
>>719796187Sonic is actually coming back because Nintendo games are actually getting worse
>>719771665>>719775082The fact they keep making direct sequels/prequels around BOTW's continuity instead of just making something new like every other title (with possible references to other games) speaks a lot really.Skyward Sword was a mistake, that's the one which introduced stamina, crafting/durability and some proto "open-world" flying exploration despite Wind Waker doing the same thing but better years ago.
>>719796163Yes I brought it up on its own merits as a somewhat modern game with good game design. Once again I never play zelda for game design. I don't really know what your point was
>>719796527>>719796604>>719796403You lost and got raped;;;;; Eric
>>719771000BotW
the nintendo defense force guy is so mind broken these days. a year or two ago he would only call a few people eric per thread. now everyone is eric because nintendo is so hated. hes been doing this for years.
>>719771549Usually that's often the case, yes. See Skyrim.
>>719774552>schizoWho asked you and why should anybody care?
>>719774454are you implying wasnt a generic corporate product for normalfags before? its been that way since OoT, arguably ATTLP
>>719780581Not at all, Nintendo didn’t know Ubisoft towers existed back then since another company hadn’t made them yet.
>>719796527>Nintendo games are actually getting worseUh huh. Do tell us about that.
>>719793095Botw cant capture the same sense of wonder you see in this artwork because you know when youre playing it that there is nothing to discover
>>719789952Lmfaooo No wonder open world was so new to you in 2017.
>>719794873You have a mental illness
>>719796527>Sonic is actually coming backIs that why sonic's games have all been declining in quality?
>>719773336Name a mainline Zelda game that wasn't universally acclaimed.... exactly you can't, cause journos are so nintendo nostalgia brainwashed, as soon as they get to review a new Zelda game they instantly give it the highest score possible
>>719795708RDR 2 outsold and out scored Zelda. Sorry :0
>>719796604>some proto "open-world" flying explorationAnd let me say that the sky was emptier than Wind Waker's ocean, which I still love to this day and felt wanting more from it. I'd wager TotK's sky is just as empty if not worse, only because of the scale of the overworld and depths. Both games were criminal in that regard.
>>719797034When the FUCK was the last time anyone gave a fuck about journos think.
>>719796821Yeah, he's totally defending Nintendo.
>>719797034thats a wiiu game that had finished development over 12 years ago. we are now in the year 2025.
>>719797667Case in point.
>>719797429>Name a mainline Zelda game that wasn't universally acclaimed.... exactly you can'tBecause there's no such thing as a bad Zelda game. Even the worst Zelda game is better than 99% of video games ever made. Not my fault you're a deranged Nintendo hater. You can't seriously sit there and pretend BotW/TotK are "bad" with a straight face unless you're completely fucking mentally ill.
>>719775280The Wii U is 5% of BOTW’s total sales so it’s negligible.
>>719771000hourly macaco thread.
>>719797750Botw fucking sucked. I thought tears of the $70 dlc did too until I was forced to play it because there’s nothing else on the switch 2. I actually like that one.
>>719797525maybe hes even crazier than i thought
>>719775280BotW has been on sale for 9 years.It took TotK 5 weeks to eclipse what BotW sold in 5 years.
>>719797794It's probably way less than 5%.
I wonder how many times the mentally ill tendie has posted macaco. It’s gotta be at least a few hundred times a week lmao
>>719797929Yep, hell the only reason he's making these lost and raped posts is to get people to think he doesn't exist.
>>719797947TOTK’s sales dropped and became on par with BOTW’s after just 4 months.
Even after 3 years, TOTK is nowwhere close to outselling BOTW, that's how much of a dissapointent it was with fans.
>>719797947And then sales dropped off a cliff when non-tendies realized it was $70 dlc.
>>719798095why does he only enter nintendo criticism threads though. ive seen him doing it for years.
>>719798157>it only sold 22 million on a single platform LMFAOO
no one cares about nu-zelda any more
>>719798327>it still can’t outsell its predecessorIndeed, LMAO.
>macaco threadYou got raped n gaped btw Sony lost btwSony still going 3rd party btw
The only issue I have with totk is the grinding for materials. I am not wasting hours of my life to hunt down rare metals so I can actually use the fucking mechanics built into the game.
>>719797525So he's a fake tendie? Why does he do it?
>>719798380Twitch views are based on the channel, not the game. Fucking retard lmao
>>719796821I suspect that the Zelda game he’s ever played is TOTK. He screeches at fans of every other Zelda game.
>>719798380>twitch viewsKop Tek
>>719798278He's the one who makes them.
>>719798519To make a decade long story short he wants people to think that people who like Nintendo games are one big collective and are as brand loyal as Sony fans.
>>719798835You're not supposed to mention your own divided attention.
Weekly Eric humiliation ritual is so much fun
>>719771000True.
>>719797158open world was invented by Nintendo. Other games later co-opted and took it from oot.
bumpa
>>719798835>deletedEric man, it's been over 10 years. You need to stop fucking yourself over like this.
The ultrahand mechanic is retarded Nintendo gimmicry and the weapon decay is irritating, but otherwise it's ok.BotW is still better though.
>>719774906Why is Lank white?
>>719771000Agreed, I'm fucking tired of botw/totk open world slop formula. Call me boomer but I want to go back to OoT and Twilight Princess style and gameplay. Done with this slop.
>>719806812Have you ever gone back and played those games now? They feel so simplistic and restrictive after BotW/TotK. There really is no way back. We only need Nintendo to build on their ideas. Nintendo are pretty close to making their magnum opus.
>>719807027Nah they feel much better than this goyslop. Sometimes 'simplistic and restrictive' is better than the illusion of the opposite
>>719807532BotW and TotK are pretty much the Zelds games I dreamed about as a kid. High adventure in a magical world. Just head out and explore, find your own way to survive. The game just werks.
>>719771000hag Zelda molesting shota Linkshota Link mating pressing Zelda
>>719774998You get transported to an island with the demiurge. The funny thing is that they probably have some asian mythology about it.
>>719773693Larian did OK.
>>719807027few years back I replayed MM and I have played through OoT countless times as a kid, that game is burned into my brain never to go away. OoT is a masterpiece and to add to your point they definitely need to expand more on that formula. I miss the dark/horror atmosphere, dungeons that actually feel dangerous and hard to complete but if you learn your items and environment you can solve the challenges, this design is missing from current day slop.
>>719808258>you learn your items and environment you can solve the challenges, this design is missing from current day slop.
>>719808604I finished that dungeon with my eyes closed. The dungeons in botw/totk compared to OoT/MM/TP is like comparing mcdonalds to a Michelin star restaurant.
>>719809089>I finished that dungeon with my eyes closed.me but OoT dungeons lol
>>719809089>I finished that dungeon with my eyes closedCool story bro
>>719796604>continuityLol barely. It's amazing how loosely connected BOTW and TOTK are even though they're direct sequels. My headcannon is they just don't want to make new assets.
>>719808604>dungeons that actually feel dangerous and hard to completethat's not what you posted sorry. botw/totk dungeons were piss easy.
Absolutely. I quite literally didn't even bother buying. Nothing about nu-Zelda interested me. If this same game came out w/o Zelda slapped on it, it would've been universally panned.
>>719808227This kills the Aonumale
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>>719807027I played and beat zelda 2, alttp, and ages for the first time immediately after botw and they were all much better experiences
>>719771549Fake numbers
>>719771000No, this one did. Breathe of the Wild was the reboot and the sequel failed.
>>719810698>dungeons that actually feel dangerous and hard to completeKek what Zelda game was that??
