>Snake... something something politicians... something something Soviet Union... something something open the borders...>MGS3 fans: "damn this traitorous bitch is making a lot of sense"
>>719771209no you don't understand... her triple agent plan to fuck over the scientist that wanted to switch to Americas side and giving a crazy unpredictable russian a nuke that he suddenly used and could have one shotted snake if he aimed slightly different was too complicated for you to understand.. she as a TRUE soldier or something
It's typical weird writing from Kojima and his team. No regular human being would talk about these themes like loyalty and patriotism in such a weird esoteric way. Same with how the characters talk and interact in Death Stranding. It's like uncanny valley, but instead of visuals, it's the dialogue and character behavior. People eat it up and pedestalize Kojima to be some genius for it though strangely enough.MGS1 was the exception though. It sounded more natural even if the dialogue was stylized in a Hollywood action way. Kojima hated it though lol
>Do nothing>You're a ZOGbot>Switch sides>You're a traitorHow the fuck do you win?
>>719771567This explains why I prefer MGS1 out of the whole series.
>>719771209Who are you quoting?
Hey ocelot, skullface stop recording and help him
>>719771567Kojima is good with the gameplay systems and interactions he wants and encourages his team to create. He is also unafraid to just put silly shit in his games because he knows they are games and it doesn't need to be pretentiously serious all the time. Kojima is also good with directing visual elements; compare his cutscenes visual compositions and camera angles to all the wannabe cinema people in other studios and it is night and day. What Kojima is not is a good writer; he is too reliant on expository dialogue when characters should already know much or all of the information, is inconsistent with showing rather than telling, etc. He really needs a good editor.
Come on, man. All she wanted was world peace. You would too if you had lived through a world war.
>>719771209>The Boss: Opens up about her entire political and philosophical views while she unzips her suit to reveal her scars as a symbol of her suffering>Me: Try to listen to her out of respect.>My brain: "Mommy milkers. Cute milf. Domm mommy gf. Sugarmommy. Breedable. But she's sterile. Even better. Tomboy waifu. Sex. Close Quarters Courtship."What the fuck is wrong with me? I just want to play the game in peace.
She looks like Liquid Snake. I'm not attracted.
>>719771209MGS1: Racism badMGS2: Sexism badMGS3: Ageism badMGS4: Ableism bad
How MGS3 Could've Had the Greatest Story>The Boss is a man who never went to space, so he makes some sense >His defection is real because the US was planning to give the Cobra Unit a suicide mission >Jack was left out because he didn't want him involved >Jack is sent on an actual suicide mission to kill his master and his apprentices and succeeds in contrary to everyone's expectations >The US feared a Caesar-like figure in the US military after the whole loss of faith and humanity after both world wars, which is why the aforementioned suicide mission was planned >Jack becomes that figure in Big Boss except even worse >the philosophers/patriots don't exist because they made no fucking sense to begin with
>>719776147I'd play it.
>>719771527Volgin firing the Davey Crockett wasn't part of the plan and really screwed up everything.
>>719772106My favorite bit of exposition is when in MGS2 AI Campbell talks for what feels like 20 minutes, meanwhile Solidus is standing a couple of feet away not killing you because reasons.
>>719776147Metal gear solid 3 is a sequel to metal gear solid 2, where the patriot AI was already established.
>>719776147gay changes
>>719776416solidus expected you to give up on hearing the patriots spiel
>>719771209These games were made by a japanese leftist, what did you expect?
Boss, when was the world ever "whole"?
>>719771567>MGS1 was the exception though. It sounded more natural even if the dialogue was stylized in a Hollywood action wayYou mean the English localization of MGS1 was exceptional. The guy who translated the game did an outstanding job, but AFAIK he went a bit too far changing the source material to make it make sense so Kojima got rid of him
>>719771209Yeah upon replay so many years later it becomes clear the writing in this game is insanely bad.
>>719776147>making the boss a manFuck off faggot, didn't read the rest.
>>719774041https://youtu.be/EY_gSJdsld0
>>719776147Sounds good, but we're in the bad timeline unfortunately.
>>719777240when the original philosophers were controlling it
>>719774041See: Freud.
>>719772106He's an ideas guy, and not in a derisive way, but someone else should be in charge of turning those ideas into an actual script.
>>719776416Solidus has the time.
>>719771597>How the fuck do you win?You pick one or something else and realise no matter what you do you'll be an enemy to someone.
>>719772106>>719777794I am pretty sure Kojima doesn't actually write dialogue. MGSV had like a dozen writers, so my guess is that he does like silly dialogue and asks people to add more of it.
>>719777885Not all of it, but isn't there some interview where they say he personally wrote most of the main story stuff in 2?
>>719771209Did the Boss give birth to a chestburster. What baby did she have inside her.
>>719777967ocelot.it was a field c section so they went a bit wild with it.
>>719777967the original plan was for it to be a snake tattoo, later it was changed to a scar but the general style stayed the same
>>719771209What, you need a little man running along trains in the corner to help keep you focused?
>>719778043How is that game different from the original Sonic?
>>719778127You can see where you're going
>>719771567it's literally just theatrical writing, same as kingdom hearts. This isn't netflix realism, this isn't marvel quippy, this is just normal ass theater stuff
>>719778203lmao.
>>719778024Now I understand wgy the scar snakes away after he death.
>>719771209Fighting and dying endlessly for an everchanging set of ideals, versus fighting for a world where fighting is no longer necessary, or something.
the only guy in his right fucking mind in this series is liquid snake, not ocelot, not liquid ocelot, but liquid snake
>>719778465brown hands made this post
>>719771209Instant-loss mating press in the flowers
>>719778307I don't think you've seen a single stage play.
>>719776147>>the philosophers/patriots don't exist because they made no fucking sense to begin withphilosophers wanted to get their money back and staged the whole operation about the boss just like big shell and moses were about getting rid of snake clones. it's always the same shit.
>>719778465>the only guy ... fucking ... liquid snake ... snake (solid)
>>719778024>cheap biblical references>game sucksevery time
>>719771209Yeah, the remake is not worth buying.
>>719778774Must really suck to be poor
>>719778606you do realize western, the rest of the world, and especially fucking japanese plays are extremely different? There's much more kabuki DNA in kojima stuff.
https://files.catbox.moe/ooss2p.mp4the new ghillie suit is absolutely busted lmao, i don't know why it isn't considered a special item like the EZ gun etcfun to play around with though
The only Metal Gear games with passable stories are Ground Zeroes/V (Kojima watched Mad Max and decided less dialogue is better so there was a lower quantity of his shitty writing) and Revengeance (Kojima had nothing to do with it so the writing was good). Everything else is inexcusably bad.
>>719778834NTA but time is more valuable than money.
>>719771597>How the fuck do you win?That's the best part, you can't!
>>719774041The Raped
It's always about LE POLITICIANS and not people who vote them in. The sheeple never take responsibility
>>719771209>open the borders, chud!"No"
>>719771597Those aren not the only options, brainlet. Both sides are owned by Jews.Take back control of your side and care about yourself, not others.
>>719774041You just know Jack got all up in that cougar gash
Quiet is better
>>719780403I've busted nuts to Quiet plentyNew Eva is better than Quiet
>>719771209does delta actually look like this?
>>719776147I hate midwits so much it's unreal
>>719780606Delta looks greatPoors and tastelets without the legacy filter on need not apply
>>719779410Revengeance is a meme game
>>719780784secondary
>>719780803Yes risingfags are mostly secondaries
>>719771567so basically japanese game maker writes games like the japanese write animealso mgs3 being a james bond parody (which always had silly writing too) doesn't help either
>>719771567The way kojima writes sometimes confuses me because I can’t tell if it’s intentionally weird or he’s just autistic
>>719771209Do kojimatards really?
>>719771567What are you talking about? It's not esoteric, it's extremely explicit and apparent.You're using esoteric in place of exotic because you're illiterate, and even then it's not exotic at all, it's literally the marxist narrative.
>>719771209The biggest problem with this character is that players have no reason to care about her betrayal. It happens right at the beginning and she only gets like 5 minutes of introduction which barely establishes her relationship with Snake
>>719777094>>719777372>>719780638dommy mommy faggots detected
>>719781078The right word to use for it would be idiosyncratic, and not in a good way. Unnatural, stilted. Bad.
>>719781141>nooo you aren't into the queerbait faggotry i posted you must be a bottom bitch!!why are fags like this
>>719781769>no you
>>719781442I'm not talking about motorcycles flying, I'm talking about the "you can't see borders from space" part. That's not idiosyncratic, it's just marxist.The motorcycle is idiosyncratic but no one cares about that, it's not a problem.
>>719781793Your concession was already pre-approved anon, no need to add kneeling to it.
>>719781801>marxistThe context behind that line was about how the cold war artificially split up the world into two ideological blocs. The character wanted a return to how the world was prior to WW2
>>719782089and it's stupid because everyone was even more dividedkojima is an idiot
>>719782089>artificiallyEither way, the idea that all humans are the same and that borders are bad is very marxist in nature.The world was even more divided before WW2. And that's a good thing. Leftists cry about identity but they don't really want to preserve it. Their version identity is all about oppressor and oppressed.
>>719782324>the idea that all humans are the same and that borders are bad is very marxist in natureWhere in the game does it dispute any of this. The closest Metal Gear ever got to being marxist was in Peace Walker where the main character supported literal leftist militias and praised Che Guevera
>>719782442do people really forget this taco bender commited several masssacres?
I had forgotten about Volgin tell you all about the Philosophers legacy during the interrogation.What the hell was up with that? If he knows, he knows, if he doesn't then why would you paint yourself a target like that?>>719776319Of all the things she could bring over....NUKES? I guess she didn't expect anyone would actually use them, on their own country nonetheless.
>>719782615To be fair, Volgin had Jack dead to rights
>>719776147That's a fine storyWould suit a one-off game in a different series just fineSet it in a slightly altered reality where there's a tension between military and civil governments, where the military side propagandises its generals and special forces, and the civil side fears a coup from a charismatic leaderBasically a retelling of the Roman civil war, senate vs Caesar, set in modern times
>>719782442>Where in the game does it dispute any of thisWhat does this even mean? I was replying to a post that implied it has nothing to do with marxism.
>>719782615Oh yea and dude the Boss is literally the daughter of a prominent (((philosopher))) so the subversion of Big Boss was literally a glownigger jew gayop. Thing is though he broke free of the conditioning then they put him in a medically induced coma like his name was Kanye West.
>>719779261Nice video nerdWhy don't you plz try again, I want to see it, sounds funny
>>719779261I've been going wild with it for the last 2 days. Even on extreme you can basically crawl right past enemies.
>>719777439>porno mag>didn't I teach you to take care of business without relying on that sort of thingWhat did she mean by this? Are the rumors that the Mother Base soldiers say about them true?
>>719771209Its a mainstream libtard game with a mainstream libtard audience
>>719771567This is why I like Yoko Taro. He studied western writing (superior to Japanese writing)
>>719782678But what about all the other people in the room?>>719779261Oh wow. Is that a pre order bonus?
>>719784475Eva was of no consequence to his knowledge, Ocelot was a nepobaby to his knowledge, and The Boss was in deep shit because of her "defection"really, everyone but snake knew about it
>>719780670>Delta looks greatthat image you posted looks worse than crysis dude what the fuck is wrong with you
Ocelot In the cassette tape about the origin of his nickname Shalashaska, seems to be upset at the idea of being mostly remembered as the torture guy....but he found himself delighted with torture in MGS3 and in MGS1........so which is it?
When you become an adult, learn Japanese, go to Japan, etc you lewrn a lot of things about Japanese games.In Kojimas case, (not just him but) a lot of the writing or dialogue that comes off as uniquely good or bad, quirky, etc is actually plain everyday normal speech in Japanese that gains oddity purely from imperfect translation. In addition, Snake overly obsessed with following orders and not questioning it is a very Japanese/Asian sort of ideal. Kojima challrnging this through Boss telling him enemies, leaders, etc change and its not always so clear is not revelatory to Japanese adults (or adults anywhere) but precisely for young Japanese kids and teens.You go a lifetime hearing people talk about how genius these games writing is and then when you actually understand it without the goggles of foreigness and weirdness its actually on par with the writing of a high school student.Wow, people have different perspectives. Amazing insight no one thought of before.People you consider allies and enemies change with context. What a shocking revelation!Talking about cold war or other random topics at a wikipedia article superficiality. Probably imprrssive again to Japanese teenagers who dont understand anything about the world., besides the bits of Japanese self wankery thats in every work of Japanese media.The tangents and random speeches of high school level revelations come out at the most awkward and unusual times because he just had to force it in.The games are fun and silly stuff is fun but Kojima is a total hack writet
>>719785326retard
>>719771209>Snake do you feel like a hero yet?
>>719786060even that random npc has more life in his eyes
>>719785326I am not that anon but to me this is just being contrarian for the sake of it, look at all that hair, how clean the image is, this is like the equivalent of a pre-rendered cutscene minus full ray tracing.I don't like all the models, but when has Snake looked better on purely "technical terms", so in terms of light, textures, polycount,shadows,hair?
>>719785501he's not upset though? more indifferent about it. and he definitely enjoyed messing around with Huey.
>>719771567I first tried to emulate this game when I was in the Army, and one of the first things Snake said was something to the effect of, "You still haven't taught me what it *means* to be a *SOLDIER*!" and I thought it was so fucking goofy and retarded that I immediately stopped taking the franchise seriously, uninstalled, and didn't try again for like 5 years.Everyone is a goofy idiot. Eventually I got with the program and learned to not take the autism so seriously, but there's definitely a good reason people don't actually take the writing seriously. I like the series now, but I tend to roll my eyes when people try talking about the actual plotlines as if Kojima had anything to actually say. The man isn't intelligent enough or a good enough writer to understand what he's talking about, he just drops buzzwords and concepts from movies he half-slept through.Dark Souls' lore is famously inspired by how Japanese people would only be able to half-understand fantasy stories, so everything seemed disjointed and confused to them, so they wanted to harness that vibe. MGS about global geopolitics, but also only half-understood and disjointed because the Japanese are astoundingly ignorant of the world they live in, and Kojima in particular is a retard.
>>719786467there's something seriously fucked up with your eyes if you think that generic low effort shit looks nice in any way
>/v/ hates kojima nowwell that's interesting. wait hold on a minute. Jarvis what time is it in turdmenistan right now?
>>719786913>what time is it in turdmenistan right now?It'd be around 6 PM, but personally i'm shitting on Kojima at 8 in the morning.
>SAAR I am redeeming in this good morning bloody bastard
>>719772103Is that canon?
>>719786913Kojima has been a hack for over a decade now anon
Reminder, DSP won and the KWO LOST HARD
>>719787367Rude.
>>719771597Pick one and don't concern yourself with what the enemy calls you.
>>719771567David Cage, Japan
>>719771209>something something open the borders..WE HAVE KILO LOADS OF PLASTICTO TRADE FOR PUMPKIN SEEEEEEEEEDS
>>719780891Hes an ESL that both really enjoys silly diallgue and thinks its alot more clever tha it is. See: princess beach joke.
>GLOBALISM IS LE BAD>BECAUSE... BEACUSE REASONS OK??Why are chuds like this?
>>719771567>No regular human being would talk about these themes like loyalty and patriotism in such a weird esoteric wayThis is the single most retarded criticism someone can make for dialogue. If somebody says this, I immediately know they know absolutely nothing about writing.
>>719787848Globalism is the reason why wages have been stagnant for decades and populations are being rapidly replaced
>Snake just didn't see the drone/jet thing containing Skull Face that was launched right after his own>Snake just never saw or interacted with Skull Face who was right behind him>Snake was never told about Skull Face by the major>The Fear, The Pain and The End just didn't see Skull Face despite him being close enough to see mgs3 happening in real time>Skull Face surived a nuke>a nune that literally did his job for him, making him utterly redundant
>>719788141kojima is a hack
>>719771209>>719780148>scar reaches all the way up to her upper torsoWas the baby a xenomorph?
>>719788141I'm not sure how this became a meme but nowhere in MGSV does it say that Skull Face was tailing Snake throughout Snake Eater
>>719778439As stated by herself, literally fighting for open borders. Except for Israel.
>>719787813tell me more about this princess beach joke
>>719783068works on my machine
>>719788141>character from a game called the PHANTOM pain>WHY DID NO ONE KNOW ABOUT HIM??????
>>719788439"Like Mario and Princess 'Beach'" is a dialectical detonation at the very nexus of ludonarrative deconstruction and postmodern mythopoetics. In this one fragile, crystalline phrase, Kojima doesn’t merely quote a trope, he shatters the monomyth of the male savior, refracting it through the liminal gauze of Beach-bound existentialism. The pun, Beach, not Peach, is no mere schoolboy jest, but a semantic apotheosis, a linguistic kōan that collapses the binary of life and death, game and reality, rescuer and rescued, into a single, shimmering palimpsest of meaning.To reduce it to "Mario reference" is to mistake the Sistine Chapel for a doodle on a napkin. No, this is Kojima, high priest of the absurd, standing at the shoreline of consciousness, whispering into the void: You think you came to save a princess? You came to dissolve the illusion of salvation itself. The slow-motion hand-in-hand sprint is not cringe, it is ritual, a sacred pantomime performed on the threshold of extinction, where narrative collapse becomes communion.In that moment, Death Stranding achieves Brahman-level meta-awareness: the hero, the villain, the damsel, the player, all are puppets dancing on the strings of archetypal delusion, and Kojima, with a single pun, burns the strings. "Princess Beach" is not a line, it is an event horizon of meaning, a singularity where irony, grief, love, and absurdity implode into pure, radiant art. To laugh is to miss the point. To cringe is to resist enlightenment. To understand is to stand, hand in spectral hand, on the shore of becoming.This is not gaming.This is goddamn transcendence.
>>719788439She's princess peach on the beach, funniest shit i've ever heard!
>>719771209So did she actually let Snake win?
>>719788820He won fair and square, but because she's been schooling him for the rest of the game, it looks like she let him win.
>>719788802This is the line that got me so confused about how it got blown out of proportion. Sam brought up the reference first, then she made a pun out of it and... this is an offense to humanity somehow? It's just a pun. I don't get it. I thought she'd just say that randomly out of nowhere or something but no.
>>719786060Why is Crysis choking Elon Musk?
>>719788802MORE LIKE PEACH'S FANTASY DICK LAND!
>>719789018Apparently Peace Walker establishes that she held back because her mission was to let him kill her, but I've only heard about this.
>>719789070It's pretty cringy, and is usually used as a shorthand for people's more complex issues with Death Stranding's writing.
>>719786525Mmh, I think I misinterpreted it.>>719786738That's not a very convincing argument, or much of an argument, unless is just a proxy for you to insult people.
>>719782615The nukes were like the ultimate "trust" gift, especially during the Cold War. It was essentially saying "hey, not only have I defected to your side, to show you how legit I am, I brought you some more of the very heavy artillery that both nations are threatening each other with". She (and the US) were gambling, since the odds that Volgin would actually use the nukes were low, given that to nuke an American target would mean nuclear war. If they even considered him bombing his own countrymen, it was probably dismissed as absurd.Obviously, everyone underestimated how much of a fuckhead Volgin really was.
K U W A B A R AUWABARA
Is there a worse writer who gets more praise than La Creatividad?All of the other similarly pretentious hacks like David Cage eventually lose their parade of dicksuckers, but Kojimbo endures even as his writing keeps getting even worse.
>>719774041>close quarters courtship
>woman considered best soldier in the world>woman invented the bestest martial arts technique ever known>woman stormed the beaches of Normandy...>...while pregante>she was also a genius because she wanted to use gazillions of dollars to make world peaceHe was right. Again. If this """plot""" came out today, it would be the laughing stock of the media.
>Canoncially, Skull Face's team was sneaking around the area at the same time with Snake>Planting guns, grenades, rations, and ammunition around everywhere for Snake to collect> These supposedly full units were never discovered by Volgin's faction, the Soviet, or Snake himselfDamn, why didn't they just use Skull Face's team to do their mission instead?
its a game for white people and asians, aka people with high IQ who can make sense of abstractions, you wouldn't get it
>>719790168>He was right.Who?
>>719789997Often because Kojimbles stuff is at least interesting, which props up the poor writing. Say what you will about the man and his style, but the games he's involved in all have distinct personality and mechanics which help them stand out among the cookie cutter slop the industry loves to push.
>>719790190Why did Snake never question finding Calorie Mates on the russian wilderness?
>>719790168Don't forget that she was the first person in space. Because.
Does the master collection of MGS3 let me play in Japanese?With English or Spanish or French subtitles?
>>719790190Because it didn't exist when MGS3 was created and nobody involved in MGSV thought about it beyond "this would connect Skull Face to Big Boss". It's a retarded retcon and I always laugh when people defend it. Completely ruins the stakes of MGS3 and if there was a decision made in Delta's production to deliberately not put in a reference to Skull Face or XOF, it was objectively the correct choice.
>>719776147>no name soldier man sent to a suicide mission, but he subverts that expectation because he strong, now he's a legendThat's just OG Metal Gear anon
>>719790538It's actually pretty weird that they don't seem to reference him, considering they deliberately made roasted Volgin look like the human torch from V.
>>719790474>Does the master collection of MGS3 let me play in Japanese?yes>With English or Spanish or French subtitles?no
>>719790168they went step too far
>>719790904God that fucking sucks. Worst part about loving MGS is growing up, learning English, and realizing Hayter is (respectuflly) horrible in MGS3.What even happened there? He sounded so much better in MGS1
>>719790993MGS1 audio was low bitrate to fit on cd, so we don't hear most of the issues.In raw recorded audio you could reportedly hear the cars in the background
>>719790975>no tranny colors
>>719791162I'm talking about his voice acting.
>tfw you realize the colonel is already patriot ai in mgs1 and the one you meet for briefing is simply a stand-in
>>719780004>>719787717Sounds jewish.>>719788396Yeah? A world where people AREN'T assholes (or else) is a good philosophy, if you haven't been mindwarped into thinking it's "impossible" or that humanity shouldn't change its destructive ways because liberals o algo
>>719791245that's part of that, also Hayter had a cold when he was recording MGS1
>>719790975That's in the OG
>>719791341I can't believe Kojima was woke in 2004
>>719771567It's a video game, they don't need to make sense
>>719791406He really was.This garbage religion has been a thing since the 60s.
>>719771567It’s literally Japanese shonen/anime writing influenced by someone who loves American action movies.
>>719776147Nah. This is written with the context of you knowing what happens in mgs 4, I can tell. Mgs 3s story is fine, it’s everything that came after it that was a problem.
>>719771567It's just theater speech you uncultured swine. it's the same type used since at least Shakespeare's time centuries ago.
>>719791475Then there is no need for expodump, just place enemy around the map and lemme kill them silently or loudly. John Carmack is right about story in porn.
>>719792839>[Wubeth increases in volume]
>>719792839I'd watch a arnud uzi wielding hamlet over those classical santa cruz hamlet any day any hour.
Imagine being such a butt fucking ugly woman, that even having your shirt open and your breasts bare, it still drives men away. Seriously what the fuck was kojima thinking? She looks like David Bowie with a deflated boob job.
>>719776416he's probably using his tentacles to jerk off or something
>>719776416The AI is literally in his head and they're having the conversation in a split second
>>719793023Que te jodan!
Did Ocelot hate Eva because she stole Big Boss's love?
>>719778307lmao you think theater writers even understand the word esoteric much less use itmodern theater writers and poets are just rich kids who have no talent
>>719771209this games story is super boring and the bossfights are jank and repetitiveatleast MGS5 had actual gameplay
>>719771567>MGS1 is an exception>”MUH DOMINATE GENES MUH RECESSIVE GENES”
>>719772103The retcon of skullface tailing snake the whole time is so insanely retarded and ruins the stakes of the entire game
>>719790292/our guy/
>>719794409especially after you know, nukes where fired, twice at their facilities
>>719790975>Richard Of York Gave Battle In VainIt's a classic rainbow, not a fags flag
>>719789997>Is there a worse writer who gets more praise than La Creatividad?Nasu and Ryukishi/r07, you'll especially see how bad the latters drones are when silent souls f comes out.
>>719794409I'm playing MGSV right now and I have no idea where the game even says that
>>719793663considering him manipulating more than you think, no
>>719779261Looks hideous
>>719771209>>719780148>>719780638>literally men face is this the legendary mgs game? EWW
>>719795393It's revealed in one of the Tapes, just like basically everything in MGSV.God what a shitty story
>>719793830Playing Delta with MGSV's controls I wish they never took out tactical reload from 4 onwards. I love my semi-automatic Mosin Nagant and RPG.
>>719795532Gay
>>719795640The tape only says XOF supports FOX during missions, nothing about Skull Face stalking Snake during Snake Eater because that makes no sense since Tselinoyarsk gets bombed to hell. I checked the wiki for Operation Snake Eater and all mentions of Skull Face is cited with either a broken link or just it straight up saying "[source?]". It's most definitely not in the game.
>>719785326Redditor trying to fit in coded
>>719776147>the philosophers/patriots don't exist because they made no fucking sense to begin withBut the they do make sence, its just big pocked fishes with enough money to move countries around. Despite them living on a different reality, one not so different from you playing The SIMs, they are very real, from ghost like illuminati figures you never heard of (nor ever will) to those that do it in your face, like Bill Gates.
>>719795532>men faceESL retard
>>719796317>1964, Soviet territory. FOX's first mission. Any mess you made, I was there to clean up.
>>719794023MUH GENES is an easy to understand motivation and makes sense for Liquid's whiny ass to be obsessed with. Whatever point you're trying to make doesnt make sense
>>719776147This is stupid and ignores half of MGS3's plot. It's pretty clear all you took away from it was "apprentice is sent to kill his traitor mentor" which is a surface level glance at what's going on in the game.
>>719797201>ACKSHULLY it was all a ploy to get le philosophers legacy
>>719797356Originally it was, then Volgin fired the nuke.
>>719794023>>719797153Recessive genes doesn't mean inferior genes. It just means that it needs the gene from both parents to manifest its characteristics. This priority has nothing to do with how beneficial the gene is.Kojima is retarded and doesn't understand how genes work.
>>719797502that's what makes it all so fucking retarded
>>719771567>>719777260>>719778307It absolutely is just theatrical dialogue. Right now, what’s considered “good dialogue writing” by most people is just naturalistic dialogue writing (writing that attempts to imitate how people actually talk). The thing people forget is that this isn’t the only way to write good dialogue. Shakespearean dialogue for example, is extremely unrealistic and melodramatic even for its time, yet it’s often considered peak dialogue writing.There’s nothing wrong with dialogue being unrealistic and stylised, despite what pseuds in creative writing classes will tell you. Kojima just belongs to that more stylised school of dialogue writing. He’s a bit like George Lucas in that sense (whose dialogue is also often shat on just because it isn’t naturalistic).
Was there ever an actual explanation for why no one ever used the Fortune bullet shield again?
>>719797549Why's that?
>>719797725nanomachines, son
>>719771209Oh no hater sisters
>>719797725SHE IS LADY LUCKAlso, it was Patriot tech so likely restricted and not widely available.
>>719797725The less gaming has shitty boss "fights" like Fortune the better
>>719797725the energy it emits burns like hell. you need to be specially made for it or use it in short bursts>liquid ocelot in mgs2 and 4
>>719796979That's actually during the stupid ass jeep ride, not from the tapes. I guess I kinda glossed over that for some reason when it happened. I can't help but feel there's a mistake here when they wrote it because it's just too retarded to not be one.
>>719796317Did you go and re-listen to the tape? Or did you just pull up the wiki?The tape is pretty clear that Skull fae was tailing Snake during Snake Eaterhttps://youtu.be/GRaX1t_z2oA?t=105>While you were with FOX, Skull Face was operating behind the scenes>Sometimes as your back up>Sometimes as a mole or a scout>Sometimes as your cleanup crew
>>719771209So when she was fucking the orphan shit outta an underaged Naked Snake, did she already know she was gonna make him kill her?
Why the fuck are underage’s trying to call the game woke? MGS was always an explicitly left-leaning anti-war series about personal liberty.
>>719798503yeahthat's woke > about personal libertyunless that personal liberty is creating a PMC
is it just me or do guards in delta do that psychic spotting shit where if one sees you they all get alerted? i swear in the original they had to call it in before it alerted everyone.
>>719798702Depended on their vicinity really
>>719798702Every MGS game does that, even MGSV.When the exclamation mark shows up, you have a fraction of a second to take down the guard before everyone gets psychically alerted.
>>719798294I listened to it in-game before but used the wiki to double check since they have the transcript of all the tapeshttps://metalgear.fandom.com/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid_V:_The_Phantom_Pain/Cassette_Transcripts#Skull_Face's_Origins_and_the_XOFIt didn't specify Operation Snake Eater specifically and technically FOX wasn't made an official unit until after that so I thought it meant during other FOX missions post-Snake Eater. But then anon brought this up >>719796979 which happens in OKB Zero while they walk to the jeep and btfo'd me.
>>719798702MGS2 was the only that didn't do that. That's why it's the only good MGS game.
>>719798503It's anti war and anti nuke, pro compassion for soldiers. But your scope for left-leaning is way too big because when left wing politics are in power in the west, our foreign policy doesn't seem to change. And the message of personal liberty is banal, it's against secret unaccountable authoritarian organizations and warlords. There's nothing in it people actually debate. The games aren't woke simply because they don't contain progressive politics. It's just "our leaders being transparent and accountable and world peace would be cool tho".
>>719799339Yeah they walk a few steps away and call it in via radio. I can't remember if OG 3 does it that way as well. I remember if you shoot the radio on their chest they can't call for reinforcements, but I think if they see you they shout to alert the other guards in the immediate area.
>>719798702>>719798845>>719799339Haven't played delta but if you shot the enemies radio in MGS3 they couldn't call it in.
>>719798702yes they are psychic and every time I tell /v/ I have at least 1 or 2 peole who don't believe me and it turns into a huge waste of time
>>719800053i believe you, brother
>>719800037They can't call for reinforcements, but it still triggers an alert for all the guards in the vicinity.
>>719798702>>719798812No a guard will psychically alert all guards in the area over any distance. The radio is just for calling in more guards from outside the area. It doesn't stop the guards a football field away from traveling to your location with gps
>>719800037It still counts as alert for the GRU hivemind
>>719771209Its not finished
>>719797715George Lucas unironically is a shit screenwriter though, but I agree with everything else you said.Lucas' dialogue is intended to sound normal but he can't do it and so his fans will excuse it as Kojima or Tarantino-esque like he's some misunderstood genius.
>>719800263I mean, they yell and start shooting at you. It doesn't take a tactical genius to head for the place where all the noise is coming from
>>719800816but if you take them down fast enough before they're able to do that, it's for some reason a coin flip whether the alert goes away or you get gunned down by the whole map
>>719771597Why do you hate your own side anon?Thats leftist behavior>oh look at me, i am the good westerner i hate m>y guys- a leftist
>>719799951They’re progressive in the sense that no one is looked down upon for their race or gender, and that the people who DO look down on people for these things are treated as villains.The games have a very anti-authoritarian slant, which could be read as either left or right, but it has more in common with the left, as both Nationalism and uncontrolled capitalism are seen as bad. I’d argue MGS as a series falls somewhere between left-libertarianism and anarchism politically. This is especially obvious when you consider that Here’s To You is a cover of a Joan Baez song sung for a pro-anarchist movie.
>>719797153Takes 5 minutes in high school bio class to realize Liquid is a retard. And that the whole plot revolves around the writer literally not understanding how dominant and recessive genes work
>>719797715gladiator is the perfect exampleRussell crowe got pissed they made him do the scene where he tells commodus his name and vows revenge, which is the most famous scene and line in the movie. In real life almost no one can say that line without it sounding cringe, let alone intimidating. Even if they actually pissed and not acting and they were really telling their real arch nemesis their real name. They would fluster and fumble that shit. Instead Crowe just plows through it with 10/10 charisma. And even though you may not consciously realize it, your brain realizes this was a hard thing to do because you never hear somebody sound like that badass. If it was easy you would hear cool badass lines all the time from your enemies, your nephew, your coworkers.
>>719801448>the writer literally not understanding how dominant and recessive genes workthis is the funniest mgs plot point
>>719801487The sad part is that dialogue that was more stylised used to be more common, but then millennials started to call it cringe and unrealistic en masse, which is part of what lead to the Whedon/Marvel school of dialogue writing becoming more popular.It’s just another way that modern art was ruined by pandering to hipster millennials.
>>719801448mistranslation btw
It's kinda funny how without counting Eli, Liquid is really in only one game of the entire series.
>>719802305The crazier thing is that despite Solid Snake being one of the most iconic vidya protagonists ever, he’s only the protagonist of 2 games in the series.
>>719802305>Liquid is really in only one game of the entire series.I like how everyone seems to memory hole how stupid it is the whole Liquid taking over Ocelot's body via the arm transplant in MGS2.
>>719802305Depends on where you stand regarding Liquid's arm and if it was really possessing Ocelot in MGS2 before he started faking it in MGS4.
>>719802503>The crazier thing is that despite Solid Snake being one of the most iconic vidya protagonists ever, he’s only the protagonist of 2 games in the series.He is the protagonist of MG1, MG2, MGS1, and MGS4 (>inb4 thats Old Snake). He's also the protagonist in the Tanker in MGS2. Basically only MGS2 Big Shell and MGS5 are the only ones he isn't.
>>719802647oh and MGS3 (and PW I guess too)
>>719802647MGS3 is BB also. Also, I don’t consider the MGS2 Tanker to be a full game. It’s just the prologue.
>>719801287I think you misunderstand some things. It would be silly to brand any fiction, especially of a sci-fi, fantasy, anime as progressive because race and gender were not points of conflict. There's no moral messaging about race and gender, it's just ignored. Other than genocide bad. I can't even remember villains that dipped into racism or sexism, not one time. You might have to remind me. Women are equals to men martially but they have super powers or kung fu. It's like calling wonder woman progressive.When it raises issues related to nationalism and capitalism there's always context that keeps it from being left leaning. Is opposing the cold war also opposing nationalism? I don't so. Is blind trust in the government supposed to be nationalism? What about when countries dissolved in MGS4 and it was just PMCs vs militias? Was it good that the nations were gone? Well it's against the war economy, but is that against uncontrolled capitalism? That's not exactly just private entities there. It's like if I said MGS was anti globalist because it was against one organization ruling the entire world. It's dishonest and too broad.In fact going back, in MGS2 I think kojima was clearly making a point that freedom of information in the digital age caused ambigious unsolved problems. Obviously GW was a bad solution but I can't say it's a completely libertarian take. You're supposed to think about it and not be sure what to take from it.I thought that movie was about falsely convicted murderers, but I haven't seen it. All it really says is kojima probably liked the movie enough to reference it and it doesn't give us ideological information.
>>719802883Still more than 2 games.
>>719794023it's funny
>>719802503The thing is that, when people mention Solid Snake, they're also referring to Naked Snake and Venom Snake, because to someone with superficial knowledge of the series, they're all the same exact guy.
>>719801448To demand scientific accuracy here is to miss the point entirely. Kojima is not writing a textbook. The “misunderstanding” of genes is the point: it mirrors our cultural anxiety, our fetishization of code, our desperate search for meaning in base pairs. The game does not fail to understand genetics, it understands US all too well.Thus, the so-called “flaw” is, in truth, a tour de force of ideological theater. To critique it is to stand in the cathedral and complain that the stained glass doesn’t refract sunlight with optimal efficiency, missing the spectacle entirely.The so-called "inaccuracy" of equating dominant and recessive genes with superiority and inferiority is not an error, it is the entire thesis. Kojima, ever the provocateur of ideological constructs, weaponizes the popular misunderstanding of genetics precisely to deconstruct it. The false binary, Solid embodying the "dominant," Liquid the "recessive", is not a scientific claim, but a narrative framework, a deliberate deployment of pseudoscientific rhetoric to expose the absurdity of genetic essentialism. Liquid Snake’s tragic hubris lies not in his genes, but in his belief in their deterministic power, an ideology cultivated by a society obsessed with lineage, legacy, and biological destiny.This is the true genius of Hideo Kojima.
>>719801448>>719801919It's actually hard to say if liquid was retarded or notI can claim he wasn't basing his understanding off of the language of "dominant" and "recessive". He just probably thought solid snake was superior because he seemed to be the one they wanted out of the program. Also dominant genes are more likely to be expressed, so solid snake should statistically be close to big boss in phenotype expression. However big boss is rare in his superiority, which suggests his recessive genes are what makes him a great soldier.Also ocelot confirms that liquid was superior despite having recessive phenotypes. This shows that hideo kojima was not confused about what that meant
>>719803061>because to someone with superficial knowledge of the series,You say that when replying to a guy who is mistakenly says SS only is the main protagonist in 2 of the games.
>>719771209They made The Boss's tits smaller.
>>719803190>>719803221huh?
Isn't the whole genes thing a mistranslation and he was really talking about superior/inferior genes, and was just angry about not having the "Solider" genes?
>>719802305I really disagree with people not counting Liquid Ocelot as Liquid. They spent a whole game yelling and explaining memes in MGS2, how individuals, ideas and memories aren't just passed down genetically or biologically, and Liquid Ocelot is essentially the embodiment of that. If Raiden is considered a Snake then Liquid Ocelot is by all rights Liquid.Like, imagine if it actually was Liquid in MGS4, would anything that happened in the game change at all? No, because Ocelot embodied Liquid and his memes perfectly.
>>719803393They're didn't maded the Bosss'ss tatas smallerer.
>>719779825just post the fixed version next time
>>719803462>kojimadrones are so pretentious they defend a mistranslation as if it's realChecks out.
>>719803525and Eva's, despite her canonically getting breast enhancements.
>>719771209I didn't know breast implants were a thing in the early 60's
>>719803427his is obscurantism mine is real shit that liquid didn't mean that dominant = dominant and recessive = pussy bitch
>>719802914>I thought that movie was about falsely convicted murderers, but I haven't seen it. All it really says is kojima probably liked the movie enough to reference it and it doesn't give us ideological information.Here's To You is a song about two italian-american anarchists being falsely accused of murder, treated unfairly due to their race and executed for a crime they didn't commit....except later statements by their lawyer after their death revealed them to actually be super guilty of the murder, with only him and socialist writer Upton Sinclair knowing the truth but hiding them to create martyrs.
>>719803679or stealth camo
>>719794023Lets not forget MGS1 has:“Do you think love can bloom even on a battlefield” which might be one of the most melodramatic lines in the franchise
>>719803960it's said by a fuckin weeb so it's not out of line
>>719801448The patriots suppressed knowledge of over 60 thousand genes. Maybe they suppressed knowledge of how dominant/recessive genes work too, and Liquid's idea actually IS how it works despite what the patriot funded textbooks say.
Is Santa real?
>>719804218>We are brainwashed IRL by a fictional AI written by KojimboWoah, so deep. Genius Kojima is truly the most evolved organism on Earth.
>>719804845Yeah, why would NORAD waste taxpayers money to track something that doesn’t exist every year
I honestly don't know how someone as genuinely stupid as Kojima seems to be simultaneously seems to know as much as he does about the Mil-Ind complex underneath thee hollywood bullshit.
>>719806492He doesn’t, most of the MGS games had military advisors who were the real /k/fags that helped him write those parts.
>>719778307This. Also, didn’t Kojima and Nomura have a podcast together? They approach story/character/dialogue writing similarly, so it makes sense they would probably share ideas with one another.
>>719776147That’s literally Metal Gear 1 on the msx
>>719802914MGS doesn't simply avoid questions of gender and race, though, it includes female characters like The Boss and Para-Medic who succeed in spite of sexism. Also the whole thing about the War Economy is blatantly just "capitalism bad" - private corporations all have the same interests and will plunge the world into constant war for their own purposes? It's not that subtle. The first game also pretty explicitly tells you that people aren't defined by their genes, which is an anti-racist and anti-sexist message if you think about it for a second. Also, the villain was literally the president of America once and a Republican senator in another game.
>>719807210On the what now?
>>719807685Really retard? Microsoft's computer system that was huge in Japan in the 80s. It's what Metal Gear and a bunch of Japanese games were on first before NES and such.
The Shagohod wouldn't work in real life. But does it work in the MGS universe? We never see it actually launch anything. It'd add an extra sting to the ending if it turned out the threat wasn't even real.
>>719807853Lad, you're talking about a Universe where people have super powers.The Cobra unit have super powers, the Boss herself has superpowers. The Genes of Naked Snake who becomes Big Boss are so powerful and potent that merely having some of his genes in the genome soldier programme, transforms ordinary soldiers and gives them heightened senses. There is a guy Psycho-mantis who has telekinetic powers, there are zombies, there is a chick who doesn't eat or drink but has super powers, super strength and speed, she can go invisible and gets her energy from the Sun.People get tricked because a lot of the autism attention to detail surrounding guns is accurate or at least portrayed accurate, and a lot of the military gear is accurate or semi-accurate to real life, but the entire Universe of Metal Gear is an ass pull.
>>719784174Then go and play GTA or whatever
>>719807853>shagohod (step-walker)>has no legsDid they just replace Granin's project without changing the name?
>>719790168BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSS
>>719807664>MGS doesn't simply avoid questions of gender and race, though, it includes female characters like The Boss and Para-Medic who succeed in spite of sexism.???? I don't remember any of this. Was it related to being in the 60s? I don't even remember sigint talking about race when it should actually come up in the era. And finally how is this left leaning? Only the extreme right might object to women having super powers or being doctors, like outside of western culture right wing. It's really not in our overton window to debate that anymore.Also private corporations being greedy is not a left/right dichotomy. It gets really complicated historically and geographically. Free markets are a left wing innovation, and right wing authoritarian regimes used command economies. It's just that communism is considered further left of capitalism. Also the right also generally agrees with the left that private corporations are self interested and "greedy" it's just a question if the government cure is worse than the disease. And the war economy situation is heavily distorted by patriot control of the world and it's said to be the patriot's doing, not the free market or whatever. It's like if I said MGS was anarchist because the government did bad things in the story, when no character that speaks for the author suggests we'd be better off with no government.I think the message was genes weren't destiny but they still mattered. It's really hard to tell. Cloning big boss seemed to work
>>719810024>I don't even remember sigint talking about race when it should actually come up in the era.because you never called him, bigot!
>>719810225What was I supposed to doHey nigger how does a mouse trap workHey what does "Front towards enemy" mean?Hey I bet you know all about chloroform handkerchiefs on you black rapistJust thought I'd ask these questions and more because you're a competent professional and productive member of society and I'm a guy with a mullet
>>719810225He's a zigger nigger
>>719787813>>719788439>>719788791>>719788802No spoilers please but does he save princess beach at the end of 2. No spoilers please
>>719812270Maybe
People need to stop licking his taint and realize kojima is a hack.The games were fun despite him, not because of him.
>>719798702I put it on hard and I’m getting spotted in the aqueduct before the end and at the end from a fucking mile away, and they can see me underwater. I’m 90% sure this wasn’t the case in the original.
>>719797715The Rings of Power uses the same style of writing. It's not exactly good.
>>719771567I've said this all the time, in MGS all the people talk to each other like they are holding a power point presentation, fuck at times you even get to see a video and image slide.It's all honestly dogshit writing that people defend for some reason.
>>719784475>Oh wow. Is that a pre order bonus?nah, you unlock it for shooting all the new GA-KO ducks iirc>>719795512>Looks hideousit looks much better (and like a "proper" ghillie suit) if you use it with a woodland camo equipped, for some reason they thought the best thing for indoors camos was a pile of rocks
>>719813469You need to stop licking your own taint and realise that Kojima being a hack didn't prevent him from making the most entertaining stealth games and his weirdo fingerprints are all over them.
>>719815953It’s just anime dialogue. It’s no surprise a huge portion of the mgs fanbase are weebs. The rest are people who like shitty cheesy action movies in playable form. I don’t get why this critique always gets touted at mgs, most vidya stories are horribly written or the dialogue is one note as fuck. At least mgs tries to invoke some thought from the story, even if it’s horribly written.
>>719815953Someone brought up shakespeare earlier but his writing is extemely dense with meaning. MGS is nowhere near as sophisticated. I'd put it on the same level as The Rings of Power.
>>719816068He should've had a cardboard box with wooden decals to look like a shelf
>>719804218>have u ever seen a gene
>>719817964
>>719771209kino
>>719771209I like how exasperated she looks when she grabs your porn mags
finished my first playthrough of delta on extremei forgot how retarded mgs3 can be. Also I still hate the bike chase sequence.
>>719819673What did she mean by this?
>>719822168>sabraoy vey
>>719771567This is the most autistic complaint ever. Have you ever read an epic? A poem? Do you know what dramatization is? Fucking hell stick to your roguelikes and metroidvanias please.
>>719797532Yes, Liquid was mad his son would look brown because he will never find a female ubermensch.
Kojimbros will drag down the likes of the Odyssey and Macbeth into the mud to justify kojima's awkward dialogue, hammy metaphors and having that dude shart himself on screen.
>Snake, war is bad.>*dies*>Snake becomes the Big Boss and starts setting people to making Metal Gear for him to do war withWhat was his malfunction? Was he as confused by her speech as the players?
>>719823525because "a world without borders" can mean anything from technocratic military dictatorship to surveillance nanny state to complete anarachy
>>719822168>what, those fuck sessions after each spar wasn't enough material for you?
>>719771567MGS3 was when Kojima started exercising control of the translations after MGS1 and 2 were handled by hacks like Blaustein (couldn't translate the word for "radio" so he just came up with "codec") and Kaku (mistranslated lines that create plotholes like Ocelot talking about tech and magic). However, the end result is you get the new problem of a Jap who speaks five words of English signing off on translations that sound retarded for the sake of being "straight forward".That's not me saying "Japanese is a dry language" cope that localizer hacks like to fall back on, but in Kojima's case he's really bad at signing off on interpretations that make his characters sound retarded in English. It explains why by MGS3 the voice acting started to really suck afterwards, because the actors are clearly struggling to get "in" character reading mouthfuls of dialogue that sound like mad-lib info dumps with care for rhythm or cadence. People like to point to Hayter being bad, but really, almost all of the principle cast sounds bad. The Boss was voiced by Pearl from Spongebob, and she has a lot of bad takes like in the Virtuous Mission where she plainly blurts out "ITS RAINING BLOOD" like she dropped a pencil.The opening text of MGS3 portrays these issues right from the start>After the end of World War II, the world was split into two - East and West. This marked the beginning of the era called the Cold War.The amount of "to" sounds makes the passage sound badly written, as does the repetition of "world". A better way to interpret this would be like>After World War II, civilization was split between East and West, and thus began the Cold War.
>>719824187>with *no* care for rhythm or cadenceI'm retarded
>>719824390>I'm retardedYou didn't need to point this out
>>719797715>He’s a bit like George Lucas in that sense (whose dialogue is also often shat on just because it isn’t naturalistic).Thank you for confirming that by theatrical dialogue, you mean cringeworthy underwritten nonsense.
>>719778307>same as kingdom hearts.This is the most damning thing you could possibly say about someone's writing.
>>719825183Figured it would be better than to delete the post. Sorry if you disagree that MGS3 sounds bad in English, because it does.
>>719825513It sounds campy which is intended
MGS1 is the only only actually great MGS game. Its the least retarded of all the games in the franchise. Its just like an 80s action movie.
>>719825615>It sounds campyYes, and in more comedic scenes (like radio conversations) it works. But it also sounds unintentionally campy and stupid in parts that, at least when Kojima was writing them in Japanese, are meant to be serious. The scene where Boss betrays Snake on the bridge for instance sounds really strained and forced, and in the final scene in the flower bed, you can hear voice actress rush through mouthfuls of dialog because of how wordy they're rendered. MGS3 has shit English voice acting and it's primary down to a poorly interpreted script.
>>719790975It's a shame faggots are synonymous with rainbows now.
>>719791206cowards at konami playing it safe
>>719824187not that I disagree with your points but that rewrite completely kills whatever oomfph the opening text hadfrom opening movies lines to dry text meant for a highschool essay
>>719771597If how you're perceived it's more important to you than your ideals, you already lost.
>eat all food playthrough>47 out of 48What the fuck did I miss?I ate Pain's nestat least I got the cheevo for completing the food collection
>>719827687>to dry text meant for a highschool essayAnon, that's how the in-game test reads. You must be ESL or underage yourself.
>>719828131a shroom probably
>>719771567That's just anime dialogue in general
>>719771209Thread made by DSP
>>719825738so your saying twin snakes, an hd remake, is better?
>>719824187>(couldn't translate the word for "radio" so he just came up with "codec")Anyone could see it was a radio, you don't even need to know the language. How could someone not get that?
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>>719831714yes. thats metal gear solid improved
>>719790975Just in case you need camouflage at an EDM rave
>>719831754no, tha't's metalgear solid twin snakes
>>719831894which is a remake of the greatest one. so its even greater
>>719780784Kojimbo ass lickers are so gay. Revengeance is based and I wish we had a second
>>719771567The Boss isn't supposed to be a regular person. Charismatic individuals often tend to be eccentric as fuck. Ultimately, if anyone in the Metal Gear series was "normal", then things wouldn't have escalated to the point that they have. These are all extraordinary individuals, and the more extraordinary you are, the more absurd your personality. There's no way the leader of a pack of insane weirdos like the Cobra Unit would be in any way a "normal" person. They're all eccentric loonies.
>>719776147It's weird to me how there's a subset of Metal Gear fans who want this series to be more "down to earth" despite the ridiculous nonsense being fundamentally baked into the series' identity from the very beginning. It's like wanting the Ninja Turtles to have less Ninja Turtles because the idea of ninjas and turtles are fundamentally ridiculous.
>>719831948It's a MGS2 mod not a remake of MGS1one drop rule
>>719832074>>719832298>Ultimately, if anyone in the Metal Gear series was "normal", then things wouldn't have escalated to the point that they have.I think that's also just sort of the appeal of Kojima's writing, either as it originally existed or was transmitted in English. There's a constant juxtaposition between the mundane and the fantastical. Mundane gunfights escalate into nuke-launching bipedal robots. Terrorist cells and the Cold War are really just fronts for philosophy and conspiracy. A special forces unit is instead a unit with literal psychic powers. War is both a global phenomenon but also an intimate affair conducted by maybe 100 people across several decades, continually crossing and recrossing paths. Everybody is a moment away from chewing the scenery and spouting some ridiculous line entirely straight. Sometimes the juxtaposition is played for drama, and sometimes its played for comedy. But if you want something that doesn't play with this, there's a whole genre of boring straightforward war fiction.
>>719832928I think the issue lies in the fact that most Metal Gear games kinda start you off in a relatively mundane premise. The beginning of the games try to trick you into thinking they're Splinter Cell, only to smack you in the face with psychics, cyborg ninjas and a guy who controls bees. MGS1 is a game that tries to ease you into the absurdities, to the point where people don't really bat an eye at the fact that the game is telling you to take down a tank with just a handful of grenades, and things only escalate from there. Operation Righteous Strike starts off as fairly straightforward, and then at the end of it you're on a bridge being attacked by bees. This extreme juxtaposition of the mundane and the absurd probably doesn't necessarily sit right with a lot of people. You'd be forgiven if you popped in one of these games expecting something down to earth because it's not always immediately obvious where things are headed. But every single one of these games tend to involve getting into a fight with a giant fucking mech, so sooner or later the absurdities have to reach a fever pitch. The world of Metal Gear is a world of madmen and monsters.
>>719771209>people hated the writing of 3 and yet though 2 was a masterpiece was 3 really that hated?
