Share any secrets you've discovered! >Pressing the taunt button makes Hornet brag about her Reddit Karma.
when you beat the bell beast the map npc bug moves. I can't find her. I'm so fucking frustrated. also trying to beat this bug with an axe but I'm not sure if I'm missing a move or something since he seems a bit tough
I still haven't bought yet. What's the trick?
I'm having a hard time acclimating to the diagonal pogo lmao>>719802428Im pretty sure you need a dashYou literally cant beat him without it
>>719802339Is this really the shit people are flipping out over? What year is it? Gaming is fucking DEAD. Looks like a cute PS2 game.
>>719802640No I think I got a strat lets see if it works
I won
>Act 1: PharloomWhat the FUCK does that mean bros?
>>719803006I think were in for a massive twist
>>719802339Basic one, but just like hollow knight, there's a double secret at the start area.
>>719802896spent the last 10 minutes upslashing himdoes it actually kill him or am i wasting my time?the faggot can kill you from 5 hearts in one attack
>>719802769yeah got it. so you want to be a bit close but not too close when he dig under the ground then jumps out. wait out the axe swings then tag him a few times then move away and he'll keep doing the dig move. maybe better if you run into the tunnel part. so thus continues my journey to find the fucking map bug who moves if you move the bell beast BUT DOESNT COMMUNICATE THIS WOULD HAPPEN so you get cucked out of all maps
This game is gorgeous
>>719803345You get a beast shard which gives you 140 shell shards but don’t use it if you’re near max shell shards
>>719803363nevermind room past him has those red things you need to have a skill im sure to make a platform I dont have. anyone give rosaries to the thief? what happens?
YOU CAN POGO IF YOU MOVE BACK A BIT AFTER THE DOWN STRIKE
>>719803227between the start and bone bottom? I didn't find anything
>>719802640Diagonal pogo BLOWSGetting to >>719802896 this guy is annoying as fuck. The only saving grace is its spammable so you can gain a bit of distance while falling
Is the compass something you have to equip again? I don’t wanna spend 70 dabloons.
>>719803468found her. bitch. just go down and to the right near the bench before that one axe bug
>>719803227>>719803614nevermind I found the sekrit chest
Keyboard or controller?Thoughts?
>Diagonal pogowonder if I can kill the Moss Mother without ever touching the ground.
>>719803873KB
>>719803614>>719803832Double secret. Go the opposite direction at the start and then remember how in hollow knight you could go up? Try it.
>I got filtered by Bell Beastit's fucking over for me bros
Diagonal pogo is more precise than the normal pogoYou NEED to time it way better
>>719804023Just found that pogo jump where you lure the mossfly over too before I saw your reply. Team Cherry I kneel
>>719803363Thanks for the tip anonAlso uhhh, the bell beast wouldn't happen to be the bitch hidden in the first room, would it? I didn't cuck myself out of the map, right?
>>719802339
Is there like a huge switch? You know, they made 1:1 hollowknight at the start and then boom, completely new stuff.
Am I going crazy or is this game way fucking harder than HK?
>>719802339im not buying it on gog i want it on steami cant buy it on steam yet
>>719802428She's in town, right side up on the ledge.
>>719802339So prequel or sequel?Any sighting of the knight being alive?
Do you need to have played the first one to follow what's going on?
>>719804569I pirated it I'll buy it on steam and transfer my saves tomorrow fuck waiting any longer, I already waited 6 years
>>719804663So far? Not really, but the first one is good. So there's really no reason to skip it
>>719804490Think of it like the jump from X & Zero 3 anonThey literally had years to make the game bigger with much more platforming
>>719804182Fuck, this game will have another path of pain, won't it?
>>719804573checked. not for me. >>719804274no this thing. you need the spider lance skill to break the webs
>>719804663The first game is shit so don't even bother. This game might also be shit but I haven't played long enough to form an opinion.
>>719802463https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEZsGUqgtHQ
>>719804448What I wanted 1440p to be
>>719803403
>more involved platforming>level design that can legit get you more lost>tons of early game stuff that deals two health of damage>the fucking fast travel is locked behind a boss thats harder than Hornet 1WHAT THE FUCK DID THEY DO LMAOTHIS IS GONNA FILTER SO MANY PEOPLE
>>719805014Doors have the same pattern on the bottom, literally copy pasted assets.
oh so that's why. you need to equip the compass which you do at a bench.
>>719802339Alright its pretty good so far Game doesn't waste your time on pointless cutscenes or dialogue, has a very responsive control and level design follow a very simple video gamey formula which is quite missing these daysThough I don't think you're going to see any decent gameplay discussion around this game here, you're going to see a lot shitpost, steamcharts and ragebait
>>719805162Good
>can't run it on my laptop
Also this game is only 10$ in my country so that's a plus to
>>719805425It can run a intel hd no gpu laptop wtf are you using frogfag?
>>719805162maybe its me but knockback feels non existant tooso many times an enemy can chunk multiple hits in a second because hes ontop of you
>>719802640>You literally cant beat him without itI did
>>719803403Meh
>>719802339When you hit the "purchase" button it actually shows an error message instead of completing the transaction. Not many people know this.
Bell Beast was just moss charger but more fun. Actually had to watch out in phase two.
I am fucking lost. >top right seems like a dead end cause its too high of a platform to reach>above me is a wall jumo or some other jump>Deep Docks below the Hunters March also seems like a dead end but maybe its my only optionAlso have no tools yet which seems weird cause I've been max Shards constantly
Do I need to do the fucking quests in the town or something?Anyone know what the rewards are for those?
Is it still not possible to buy? Keeps erroring out in steam.
>>719805864buy it on humble bundle or another store
>>719805779Fuck I found it, I saw this place earlier but it seemed like a dead end initially
I'm curious about the story, i know it's gonna have little to no effect overall, but is it a sequel or a prequel?
It feels like unity slop compared to the first game. Menus, font . Can’t imagine doing a pantheon with this shit
Who ties up Hornet's corpse when she dies?
>>719804663not at all. the story of HK is like Dark Souls. it's there in the background if you want to pay attention to it but wholly unnecessary to fully enjoy the game.
How do I break it?
I bought it on gog and I'm Goin to buy it on steam when the servers are fixed. Can I transfer my save somehow?
The diagonal pogos are harder than HK's pogo desu
>>719805162Bell Beast isn’t that hard, he killed me once because I got combo’d but you mentioned Hornet 1 when in reality, the boss is a reskin of Moss Charger. Same charge, same jump, same telegraph for both, except it has two new moves and the bells exist. Double damage too. But it’s still moss charger, just can’t knock it back.
>>719803403...for a flash game
I just want to inform diagonal pogo haters that your harted will be answered eventually
can someone post a where the druid is. totally forgot and didnt have pins yet the first time I found him
>found 2 bosses>they both deal 2 masks of damagewtf team cherry?
>>719806728yeahC:\Users\YOUR USERNAME\AppData\LocalLow\Team Cherry\Hollow Knight SilksongMake sure to start a save in both versionsYou should have two folders a bunch of numbers - that's your steam saves and "default" or might be something else for you but that other one should be the GOG save data just copy everything from that folder to the folder with the numbers
>>719807209nvm remembered.
>>719802640>Im pretty sure you need a dash>You literally cant beat him without ityou need to stop accepting things like that and get better at the game instead
>>719802707PS2 is generous. This is a flash game from newgrounds in 2004
>>719807318>he thought he could heal 3 masks without a caveat.
Why can't i open the inventory menu? I'm at The Marrow
I know this gripe is autistic, but has Team Cherry learned how to make slopes in the 7 years this took to make?
Okay am I retarded?I'm in the ant area and I feel like I should have a dash for these fuckers.
So...how is it?
Game is shit...
>>719807924no because slopes require programming skills. not even super metroid has functioning slopes btw.
>>719803403People really tend to go overboard when praising every aspect of this game.
>>719802640>You need dash to beat the 3rd tutorial bossI beat him without it.
am I doing something wrong? am I supposed to get dash first or something
>>719808358Keep closeLearn the tells for when he jumps or when he swings in frontRinse and repeat
>>719802640>You literally cant beat him without itJust spam knives and run til he teleports, then run again
>>719807349Thanks anon
>>719808358this is the kind of poster who goes "i 'ecking love meteoidvanias!!" btw.
>>719808358you cannot run from his leap attack
>>719808504Where the fuck do you get knives? Huh?
How is the game so far? Going to play tomorrowWatching Super Sentai and Zeta Gundam today
seeing the art, hearing the music... I just want to sit there and meditate because I feel so happy and calm
>Act 1WHAT DID THEY MEAN BY THISNO SERIOUSLY
>>719808358I was struggling a lot on him but he died surprisingly fast when I managed to evade a bit, didn't have dash but I did have throwable knives that I didn't use coz they cost money lol
>>719808906I wouldn't worry about it
>>719808906it's a linear game
>>719808353>>719808504>3rd boss>just use the knivesBell beast was a cakewalk but what the fuck do you mean I missed a boss
>>719802339Save 500 rosary beads ASAP. Zote is locked up in the jail on the lower east side of the marrow. You need the simple key to open it, but once you do be prepare for the hardest fight in the first two zones, the Jailer is no joke.
SHERMA OR SHAKRA???CHOOSE
How is Silksong compared to HK? I only played Ender Lillies and Nine Sols. Tried HK a few times but couldn't get into it.The NPCs and the whole atmosphere was to tim burton like for me.
>this THING stripped OUR GIRLIt should have been me...
>>719808906>ACT 2 HALLOWNEST
The bounce balloons and diagonal pogo are filtering me aieeeeeeeee
OHHHHH LAI LAI LAI
>>719803942I got her stuck in a corner and was able to spam the fuck out of it
I'm losing my mind when I accidentally slash instead of down slash
>>719808358Option a: Spam air dive attacks to pogo on top, locks him in swings and lets you rack up damage fast.Option b: hit and run, you get openings when he pops out of the ground which you should be able to force if you get enough distance. If his jump attack is too hard to read you can counter attack when he slams to parry it and negate the hit.Took me a bit but it is very doable without a dash, if a little annoying.
You can sequence break right here. There is an elevator you unlock that leads back down to the moss hub and I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU UNLOCK IT, because the sequence break requires you bounce off of moving bug. The bounces are incredibly hard to make and if you kill one you will fall all the way to the village and have to start all over again. It leads you to a very high level area where you will get one shot by everything and it takes a shit ton of attacks to kill anything.
>>719809851>you can counter attack to parryhuh
>>719809887Do you mean the area where the ceiling bug moves back and forth spitting acid at you? That seems fairly straightforward and not necessarily a sequence break
What the fuck do I use shell fragments for other than sidequests? I'm capped already
>>719810046Past it, that is the entrence to the ceilingbug area
>>719809968I can't recall if this was a thing in hollow knight (you could clash blades definitely) but i was surprised when it happened. havent tried to reproduce it yet so I'm not sure how viable it is.
HORNET TALKING IS SO WEIRD BUT I KINDA LIKE IT
BRIN
>>719808734It's fun but the movement options feel much weirder compared to Hollow Knight. Your pogo is a diagonal divekick instead and the dash has a startup on the ground
>You're playing a girl>One of the currencies is anal beadsWhat did team cherry mean by this?
>>719810150I managed to do it with one of the little fork dudes but I didn't think it would be possible on the big jawbone bug
>>719809887I think you can fall down on that elevator from on top. Haven't managed to do it though
Where the fuck is the first map? I hated this shit in HK. I dont know if I missed it in the starting moss area, if I should go back, or go into this rocky area to the right.But I do love this autist already.
>>719810512There's a singing lady right after this part
>>719810350>the dash has a startup on the groundSounds awful to be honest. Feels like you need to learn timings and can barely do anything on the reaction.
>>719805227lmao
>>719810664Yeah hornet is way more weighty.
>>719810219i love hopping with her
hiis this like dead cells? ie. fully roguelite but skillbased as well. i liked that game, never played these games for a second.
>>719811065>rogueliteIt's Metroidvania but yes, you need skill.
>>719802896Where is this dude?
oh you can knock lace into the lava though it doesnt kill her
>>719811273not sure what that is so i guess its not what im looking for.collecting OP random gear was the most fun aspect of dead cells for me.
>>719809565
>>719811364lmao I gotta try that
>>719806934They're definitely a little finicky since you need to be somewhat precisely positioned for the bounces. I finally got through that first bit to the chest, but not before having to collect my cocoon.
>2 hours in>still no dashwhat did Team Cherry mean by this?
>>719811407Metroidvania are about an exploration. You also collect gear to advance the map but in the strict ordrer and it's not random. When you die, you start from the last checkpoint (in Metroidvania it's usually some kind of the camp wthich restores your HP and other stuff, not ) The game is also difficult but it doesn't work on roguelite principles
>>719811684Hornets moveset is way more complicated than the knightGotta acclimate people firstDiagonal down strike especially
>You have to pogo flying bugs to exploreWew
man I keep fucking up taking damage from a stunned enemy by getting too close
>>719808213I am bothered by it enough that I'd take SM's half-functioning slopes over none at all. What makes them so much of a programming nightmare, anyway? Physics?
>THERE IS A BOSS RIGHT AFTER THAT
got stuck in the ledge jump animation and took damage again award
>>719802339https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SymnW76uI8here's a cute silksong animation that i made
honestly, I love the way pogos feel, they took a little getting used to but it's just so fucking satisfying to beat shit up or even just travel using themI find the knife throwing controls kinda inconvenient tho, but I'm using a playstation controller so keyboard might be easier to use>>719811684dash was pretty close to the beginning though?
>a fucking MMO questteam cherry has fallen
How do you even get more Rosary beads? Feels like I'm only getting them from very specific enemies or broken rosaries.
>>719812005people can see the youtube title without clicking or hovering over it, anon
>>719812123
>>719812052I find them nice to get extra resources instead of grinding. Not every enemy drops Rosaries, I feel like I used to be able to buy alot of shit early on in HK but every vendor has a bunch of expensive shit
>>719811728doesnt sound too interesting to me but i appreciate the summary.
>>719802339this is boring, I wish it was a gacha lads
>>719812184damn zoomers are really fucked
>>719803403It looks fine.You are hyped and over value everything the game does. Peak teeb behavior
I just got to Bone BottomIt's back, Hollow Knight is finally back
>>719812216It is a gacha. I will not elaborate
I love this little nigga
do we have actual confirmation on if this is a prequel or sequel yet?
What the FUCK is this bros?
>>719812371Hornet talks about being really old and how she was born in Hallownest a long time ago. I assume it's a sequel unless she's like 300 years old
>>719809283I saw that door, are you fucking serious though about Zote? Say syke right now.
>>719812371her first dialogue has her mention how she was cool in her hometown which was hollownest so probably a sequel
>>719809363Go play Ender Magnolia
>Hornet's dash attack let's you hopI'm going to get so greedy with this
>>719812371Probably a sequel
>>719809565>ACT 3 ANON'S BEDROOM
>>719812471>>719812525ah i didnt remember that about her being born in hallownest
holy shit I'm actually getting filtered by the challenge room in hunter's march
>>719810882It would be even funnier if you also purchased the game.
game seems worse than hollow knight desurich devs probably worked like 4 hours a week for this entire time
When the fuck am I getting dash?
A lot of enemies only dropping capped currency feels kinda bad. Dying a lot in the ant zone and I'm gettting literally nothing for killing enemies there
What do we think about the quests?They werent that bad.I was expecting way worse.
>>719813965Exchange your rosaries for rosary strings
>>719809887can someone elaborate on this?is it past the 2 hanging cages that get you to the acid spewing ceiling beast?is it past the door that requires a key behind him?i know underneath the 2nd cage you can get to some rosarys
I have only unlocked two abilities and feel incredibly strong with a shit ton of mobility. I can only fucking imagine what the final bosses are going to look like if they give you this much shit to play with
>>719813251wah wah wah nigga
any reason i should play the first before this?
>>719814450It's not that I'm losing rosaries, it's that ants don't drop them at all so I don't grind more from killing them again and again while I'm stuck there
>>719814854skillz, lore, and immersion
>>719811894HUHwhere the fuck is this
>>719815036Top of bonebottom
>>719811894No you don't, you can just dash jump over
boring
>played the first>get bored after the first boss>played silksong>get bored even before unlocking the mapI guess it's just not for me. I like Ender Lilies and the sequel but can't get myself to play Hollow Knight more than an hour. Everything just looks drab and there's no gameplay variety.At least in Ender Lilies you can dodge immediately from the start and you consistently get new attacks after beating bosses.
S-She's going to be fine... Right, bros? Team cherry wouldn't do this to me again, surely...
>>719816348Sherma is a boy
the only other medroidvania ive played is the original game and I havent played that in 4 years, I never grew up with a game controller, do you guys use the D pad or analog controller? using the last gens xbox controller
>>719802339Curious that the load screen in the main menu doesn't have a completion percent anymore like it did in Hollow Knight.
>>719816382Is she? Her voice is really feminine.
holy shit they said the thing!!!!!
>>719816642Shota.
>>719816642Iirc Hornet said "he"
>>719816602Isn't that only after you beat the game?>>719816707Hot, imagine the fanart... Don't know if I trust you though, I'll pay attention to see if the game will call them "he" or "she".
>>719803363Oh wait, the red axe guy? You can get dash before him? I must have gone in the wrong direction. I ragequit the arena in Hunter's March, was getting too hungry to continue. Doesn't feel like I should have dash yet though.
>>719802339>first fucking room>already a hidden room (on the right)
my ancestor...
Anyone already killed that thing at the start of the game that deals like 4 dmg?
Some people say that the game is linear and you can't come back to a stuff.
>>719817875Some people are retarded liars.
>>719802339 Did they actually make Hornet a dyke or is that just yurifags coping?
>has two (2) moves>filters me
>>719817875>linear I killed some fat boss, saw that enemies in location behind him are too strong, went different direction and spent like last 2 hours there without returning, finding 2 other bosses there
>retards calling hornet a lesbo>find thiswhat now?
>>719817717If this game has a dreamnail equivalent, this guy will definitely have something.
EDALE
>>719812191I already bought everything the shittier Cornifer has to offer.
>>719818410Fags are just making stuff up because the game is so popular, not that it would be a problem for Hornet to have a cute bug gf.
>the fucking ant platforming area>that last fuck you with the benchjesus, i'm like 2 hours in and they're throwing what would count as mid-late game level stuff in the last gamethis shit is considerably harder
I'm getting annoyed by this diagonal pogo bullshit too.
>>719802640considering the dash is literally behind himGIT GUD
what the bell
got to the end of hunter's march, jesus that was tough. also have the dash but can't find another path. do i have to farm munny for the key now?
is it worth it to kill the vomit bug? died twice to him playing hide and seek and i'm gonna be pissed if it's just shards since i'm full on them anyway
Does it seem like Hornet has way less after hit invincibility?
>>719811289go up to the mosshome and over to the left of town, activate the elevator to the town too
>>719818925>>719818119Are we pretending to be retarded?>dude i can't stop holding the run button so i keep falling to the lavaUpbote please
>>719818960Lmao git gud, I'm already getting used to it.Can't wait for path of pain 2.
would this game meet the same kind of success had the protagonists been swapped?
flying bucket knights in the docks have reused voice linesliterally unplayable
please tell me the pogo won't remain as the main mechanic for everything for the entire game bros...
bro where the fuck do I gono double jump, no benches anywhere near, idk how to use the updraft thing
i don't even like metroidvanias, i didn't finish HKbut hornet is cute...
>/v/ already getting filtered
>>719818652What's this?
Am I exploring Hunter's march too early? it's pretty hard and I cant seem to do the diagonal attack jumps right and there's wind everywhere that I cant float on.
>>719817797tried it again and it died from 2 energy shots and a few attacks
>>719804163Here's how you do sir>BB on the ground? jump over>BB jumping? go to the rear and hit his ass>BB burrowing? don't get hit by bells (jump over bells, avoid falling bells)Simple as. Your big opening for attacks is after he jumps.
who else here got baited by this cutie
pogo being diagonal might have been the best change. completely exposed the frauds who relied on it so much.
>faggot bug perfectly arcs shots to prevent your movement
is it possible to miss some bosses? I tried to kill a boss and decided to come back later and then I finished the flea quest and the new camp is at the location of the boss and the boss is gone now.
Does diagonal pogo get a little bit of invulnerability after you hit someone?I feel like it does, so you won't get clipped by moving enemies after connecting the attack.I really like it btw, the timing is tight and hover flip after is kino.
Are there really 28 areas in the game?
>>719819409Nah, I rushed it and found a very nice reward.Do NOT sit on the bench.
>>719819371>no benches anywhere nearthere's one literally 10 seconds from your position
>>719804448>mfw I got all the way to the top and jumped down the same hole again
>>719819474>completely exposed the frauds who relied on it so muchWhat do you mean? I played HK but never read any discussion about it, so I'm out of the loop.
fug the bug
Go on without me. My journey ends here.
>>719819560dear lord in heaven
>>719819560I'm at this exact spot right now.
>>719819469is that a pony
>swift stepS-she's fast!
>>719804885you haven't played either if you think it's "shit"
My theory is he game world updates with new acts, sort of like the the infection spread in the original.
>>719819018ok found the bitch...lord this is not easy so far
An anon was talking about Hornet feeling like Vergil. Am I missing something?
This game does not feel satisfying to play at all compared to hollow knight and other good metroidvanias
>>719819535oh no no no
>Every boss/enemy dealing two masks of damage>Falling into lava deals two masks of damageEither remove contact damage or stop making shit kill you in 2 hits>>719819737This boss was the easiest so far since she only does 1 mask of damage. But I had the boomering subweapon whihc fucked her up.
Just finished the first Lace fight. How much longer until I can equip more than one tool?
reminder, you can sprint all you want with the dashand you can swim faster in watervery early on but combat feels a lot more detailed than the first game, it builds on the first game and adds more stuff, as a good sequel should. hornet is very fun to play as.
>>719819515Is this true?
>>719819558it was super easy to just stay on top of most enemies slashing downward, specially since pogoing off an enemy resets your dash and double jump
>>719819560did team cherry not know about all the weird horny-posting around hornet? why would they put something like this in
>>719810409You can parry everything as long as the lingering hurtbox of the enemy doesn't override it, that's how it worked in HK as well
>>719819886Why do you think they did it?
beast more like impossible bell spam 2 hit damage die to rngHOLY SHITfuck u team cherry im refunding
>>719819801:)
>>719819769you have a lot of movement, dive slashes, and can do his omnislash moveso not far off
>>719809283I used the simple key to open the door on the west end of the map, that place is fucked up
hornet is my wife
game sucks and i already refunded it
>even the flying adds do 2 points of damagesister splinter is fucking me up
>>719819840I had already found a thing that lets me do that. There's also a shopkeeper selling taht item in the enxt area, but he's a faggot and requires 30 analbeads every time you enter his shop. What a ripoff.
What's the bet the wishes are connected to the "true" ending
Well I obviously don't know about the rest of the game as I'm only like 3 hours in but so far I can confidently say that Silksong's opening areas absolutely mog the ever loving shit out of Hollow Knights.
I feel like I always need far more rosaries, I remember not having much trouble buying the maps in HK but I would have to actively grind in order to buy shit here.And no, it's not because I'm dyingthat much
>>719819692>sprint and air dash unlocked at the same time>way faster than HK and the game has barely startedMy body is ready
>>719819769I don't really see it, unless there are alt attacks later on that make her a Vergil. She is mostly all about most attacks moving and repositioning you so may be that plus generally very bursty feel? reminds me of some Nioh 2 weapons a lot.
It's even better than hollow knight
>>719819786So? Are you implying that Prince of Nigeria was a better game? Hollow knight was a fluke and the aussies are one hit wonder hacks?
The fucking trapped bench in Hunter's March. Fuck you fuck you fuck you Australian pieces of shit.
>>719819948He has 3 moves and 0 ranged attacks.>>719820085The atmosphere is worse, but everything else is better.>>719820090Don't forget that you can break the strings in the menu as items to get more rosaries.
>go AFK during a dialogue>hear SHAW
>>719820063The druid said some scary stuff about how binding the promise to fulfill the wishes are
>>719815459buy an ad
the diagonal pogo is amazing, it makes air attacks so much easier cause you have forward velocity and aren't stuck in one spot.
I literally can't fucking climb area with those retarded pogo sequences. I't like I'm playing some retarded version of only up and not hollow knight.
>>719820094Fastest movement seems to be grounded dash slash, but I prefer hop dash.The dash slash launching you is a good change, not mnore bullshit contact damage.
When does the game get fun or challenging? so far i died once cause i into the lava twice no enemies because i'm bored out of my fucking mind, actual AFK brain
>>719820119Movement is definitely better and more precise in it
>>719820195You're lacking the one thing that makes aerial maneuver's easier, even mid-air. The sprint.
>>719819948Trick to Bell Beast is to stand still in the middle. He pauses before he dashes and if he jumps you can up slash to hit it multiple times. The bell rain can be avoided by standing on the edge of the arena. All other bells bounce once.
Just lost all my beads in Hunter's March. What the fuck is this place, why is it so hard?
What do you expect from the first patch?
>>719820262how are we supposed to know? I'm sure it'll get harder towards endgame
ah shit here we go again
>>719812052It only gets worse.
>>719819808just beat her. where do you get boomerang?
>animation for ramming head first into a wallCute
Hunter's march is kicking my absolute ass bros, I am so bad at video games. I fuckin love it.
>>719820145>Fucking map whore joins you during that fight>Her attacks fucking fill the arena making shit impossible to make out>10 mile hike back from nearest bench>Finally win and obviously have no beads so can't buy the map>Press on with no fucking idea where to go>End up finding her again in the docks>Still no bench or ability to pay for oneFUCK OFF
So which ending is canon if Hornet is here and this is a sequel?
Holy fuck this going to filter so many people, why does every boss do 2 damage. I genuinely can't tell if I'm just rusty or I'm trying to do bosses too early.
>>719820176just scared the fuck outta me
>>719820571Radiance death or hollow knight sealing
>>719819560I think that part is broken in my game. He told me to kill bugs under his house but it doesn't progress the quest
Hollowkniggers have shit taste.
>>719820617Because you heal for 3.
>>719820565The fight is actually impossible to me because of her flying and throwing shit around the screen. I don't think I can even progress beyond this point. I beat HK, the Radiance, Grimm. This is harder than all of that for the simple fact that it's just frustratingly distracting.
Where can you upgrade your needle? I need to do more damage.
>>719820767I expected more double maybe even triple damage to counter to quick 3 heal, just not so early in the game.
>Got the first thing that swaps your moveset>Dash attack is an uppercut>Pogo changed to a really slow spinning moveHope this doesn't fuck up my platorming
>>719811615No the Trick is to attack downward when you're almost top of the red bouncy thingy.Thats it
It's interesting that the game has 2 achievments for speedrunning the game. One requires you beat the game in 5 hours and the other requires you beat the game in 20 hours but with 100% completion. This implies that it's possible to get an ending way earlier than the 100% mark.
>long nose bug charges you 30 rosaries per bench usage and still charges you extra for wares
>>719820617>Give the player a gajillion tools, traps and 3 mask heal with super-quick activation time.>Make the combat compensate.That's why, mostly. I'm pretty sure it'll all even out once people progress in the game, but Silksong is way tougher on the difficulty curve at the beginning in comparison to the original.
>get through hunter's march platforming>beat boss with a sliver to spare>suddenly the mapmaker and a bunch of other random assholes appear>they murk meGoddamn, this feels noticeably harder than the first one.
>>719820565I was ready to hate the mapmaker until she saved my ass in that fight.Also neat how the small ants carry off the severed parts of the dead ants.
>>719820769It took me about 5 tries, it is doable if you just focus on the ninja ants and ignore flying shit and let her just win the fight for you. But yeah it's horrifically designed. Fuck this entire ant colony.
>>719820881To be fair, those are some premium fucking wares.
Was attacking this slow in hollow knight too? Feels like i‘m playing with input lag
FREN
>>719820683You have to collect their spines
>>719820894The early game here feels like the mid game of Hollow Knight. I dread them releasing a Pantheon for this game where you fight every boss. I don't think I can do it if they get that much harder.
>tfw fell twice on the hole after talking to the first npc and went back to the beginning
>>719820873>This implies that it's possible to get an ending way earlier than the 100% mark.Yeah, it's called not doing "find 100 hidden things around the map" quests to collect some upgrades
>>719821065I did this but also accidentally activated the elevator.
>>719820873HK had 100% in under 20 hours.Silksong has 100% in under 30 hours.
Why are all negative reviews in Chinese? What hurt their feelings this time?
diagonal pogo is fucking busted, its damage and a dodge in one and if you are good at it you can just keep pogoing off bosses
Playing this is making me want to replay Darkest Dungeon 1 again. But I remember it being RNG horseshit.
BTW if you needed the dash to beat the Hunter boss you didnt beat the game and you wont get the Lacejob
Awoooo
>>719821093Or like most Igavania's and other games with similar design. There could be a complete second or even third half of the game. Much like Portrait of Ruin, if you spare the sisters or Symphony of the Night with the inverted castle.
at the top of shellwood after the boss
huh?
>>719821174Translations apparently
>down slash is diagonali hate it
>>719802339game looks fun. do i need to play previous hollow knight game to enjoy this?
>>719820262it seems like you can't enjoy normal games anymore, dota and fighting games are the only things that will make you feel fun again, F
WHEN AND WHERE CAN I UPGRADE MY NEEDLE DAMAGEi have two ores.
I am so fucking poor. Haven't been able to buy a single item besides map upgrades despite having unlocked like 4 vendors
>>719821439you unlock the ability to check your moveset. the crest you get in greymoor is downward pogo
Did you guys turn off Hornet's voice? I'm not sure I'm fond of her constant runts and moans
>>719820262Imagine pretending to hate a game while also pretending it is easy on an anonymous image board for clout.
>>719821174what doesn't lol
>>719821573>i have two ores.>upgrade needleHe doesn't know
>>719821496No. But you have to put on your big boy pants because the game's difficulty assumes you beat the last one.>>719821630Nope.
>>719821612>you can change itoh goodi already how unreliable the diagonal on is
Sex with LaceShe's a brat
>>719821496you don't but I'd highly recommend to play HN first so you can appreciate the improvements in silksong
>>719821630I like the movement noises, but not her voiced dialogue
>>719821630It's odd to hear it for now, but I'm sure I'll get used to it. JK was weirdly silent at first, actually.
Bro this ant village is making me lose my mind. The fucking walk back from the bench in another fucking zone after dying is some DS1 tier humiliation ritual.
>>719821391sucks if true
Ah shit here we go..
>>719802339>throwing knives deflect the ant's thrown weaponkino>>719821496no but it's a good game so you might as well
The platforming in the area with the ants is a disaster.
>background ants pick up and move debris and fallen items on the floorSOVL
game feels pretty challenging desu, I need some babby difficulty where I get 2 extra masks and heal for 4 instead of 3
But can she SHAW?
>>719821386At *this time* sendidk, 4 of X8 of YidkDoes this help?
>>719821889They move enemy bodies too. Actual sovl.
>die>silk coccoon is behind a locked door>have 200 beads in it I cant reachAAIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>719821918it's a bit of secret, but yes
fuck the diagonal pogo with KBgame is much more enjoyable since I made down button automatically do the diagonal dash instead of having to press 3 keys to do it
The enemy design in this game is leagues above Hollow KnightJesus, they really went all out
Ant village is unironically too hard. It's 100% gonna get nerfed in the first patch. There's no fucking way the second zone in the game is supposed to be this rape.
>>719822037It's excellent so far. The only things I dislike compared to HK are you aren't a grim silent protag, and Stagways didnt make a return
spoiler for fight in ant areawhat the fuck were they thinking? complete mindflood fight with your ally showing up and spamming her stupid fucking bangles so you can't see anything. the runback is also god awful
>>719822037My first thought finishing HK was "where were all the fucking ants?"I am pleased.>>719822067It's easy mmkay
this reminds me of something...
bratty bug needs correction
>>719822067The second boss in the game is taking two masks a hitThese are the same guys who made pure vessel and the path of pain they know what they want
>>719822037Meanwhile the only way to hit flying enemies is still to jump and slash up like a spastic hoping that the enemy will fly into your nail
>Bell bug stomps around impatiently if you stand on the platform too long>Makes cooing sounds when you whack the bells above himqt..
>>719822067fun fact: it's entirely possible to not kill every enemy on your wayadditionally, enemies respawn. there's a conveniently located ant in the updraft area and a conveniently located flying ant after the first pogo climb>>719822037I like almost all single-hp-per-hit enemies so far (got up to lace) but some stronger ones are a bit shit, like the big nigga before ant area. I must've fought him 20 times and eventually just cheesed his jump in the hallway
>Rosary beads cost 80>Only give you 60Literal usury.
I'm unironically too stupid to not jump into the lava what the fuck man, are the controls bugged :/
Collecting those not-money pieces enemies drop is completely useless. I'm maxed out by every bench despite using subweapons all day.>>719822338You keep it when you die. Same as Suckiro.
If you are uncomfy or it's hard doing diagonals on a keyboard you don't deserve to be playing with it in the first place. Get a controller and fuck off, this is embarrassing.
>>719822338kek seriously what did they mean by this?
Is analog or dpad superior?
It took me too long to realize the compass was a badge I had to equip
>>719822067There's nothing there when you can first access it unless I'm stupid (very possible). I climbed to the top and couldn't get any higher, assume I need a double jump, and then going out the bottom just takes you back into Deep Docks. Mapwife fight was fun but you don't get anything for clearing that zone.
I got the first game years ago but never got really far. I dropped it for a bit and when I came back I had no idea where I was or what I was doing. Should I give it another go before trying Silksong? It seems very overhyped
>chinks bitching about the TLDamn this game might not break 1M in the weekends
>>719822137FUCK
>first "spell" is a big needle slash>first ranged ability is a needle throwgive me something good you faggotsor at least flashyhornet's combat is pretty fluid but the toolkit so far seems meh. the lack of charms (so far?) doesn't help either, the "tools" you get are kinda ass
>>719822338It takes a while to manually put 60 on a thread, 20 is for service.
I just lost 400 rosaries I am killing myself soon
>>719822553Unrecoverable. Start a new game.
>>719822443>Previous game the banker literally just robs you
One nice thing is that every flea is trapped in a way that makes sense for its area unlike all grubs who were just stuck in jars everywhere
>>719822519The game all the way to Lace is basically just the "Dirtmouth to Greenpath/Fungal Wastes" path. Shit is REALLY early.There are some more fun stuff just a bit.
>behind a locked door>the only way to reach it is to get wall climb which is probably gonna be a long time awayBricked.
>manage to get to the top of the fucked up bullshit that is hunters march>have no anal beads to trade
???
Cleared Hunter's March and Deep Docks and stopped after fighting the brat. Game feels like it will be very fun but I need some more tools in my kit to make the combat feel significantly different to the first game. The pogo having horizontal momentum isn't cutting it any more.
I'm enjoying the increased dialogue in this and the larger array of NPCs so I don't have to read the wiki to understand what the fuck is going on.
>>719822587The collector was the one stuffing them in jars to save them.
FUCKING HUNTERS MARCH FUCK OFF
>>719822689/v/'s already making reviews it seems.
>>719822498yeah give it another try (the first 2 hours are slow until you get abilities after that its nonstop gold) silksong is actually harder
how do I climb up?do you need some special unlock for the "slowfall" where you use your cloak? I just fall through the wind thing
>Defeat Lace in the Deep Docks>100.0% of players have this achievementn-nani?? i know she's not hard but i figured this was going to be like bloodborne where the very first boss would still only be at like 70%. i guess the only people playing day one are people who actually care about beating the game
I'm fucking tired of everything having a multihit if you fuck up once. I'm tired of every other attack dealing two masks health too. It's annoying.
>>719822680The top option kicks ass. See if you have any string beads in your inventory.>>719822774Go east for now.
i literally don't have a platform i can play this on right now. poor one out of for a poor win7 nigga. life is pain
>>719822498Please read 100s of threads, with the exact same question you've just asked, being answered 100s of times already, across 7 years. I bet there is something there to help you out, bitch.
>>719822689He‘s not wrong. Combat never changes. You can‘t even combo your stuff or anything
>>719820186I mentioned Ender Lilies because it's the only other hollow-knight clone I've played. Idk if the drab and samey-ness is a core feature of the genre or not
>>719822689it's cute to see children try their hand in reviews for the first time, very wholesome kid
>>719820565there's a bench closeby that flat area is the arena with the map lady just go up and left
Am I imagining things or did they base some of the animations on Alucard?Like, both of their turning animations start with a slight backdash and when they start walking they both duck at first.
>>719822868Post your 100% clear then
>>719822793yea shit fucking hurts in this game, and even little dinks can easily kill you if you're carelesshonestly, the damage seems a bit too high, esp since the game isn't very generous with benchods
has anyone gotten to widow yet? it unironically feels like a pantheon tier boss and I still only have 5 masks and no upgrades on the needle
>>719822474It's the same in Hollow Knight though.
>>719822868>You can‘t even comboactual skill issue
>>719823034The entire combat system in HK is just Alucard with the crisseagram.
hornet undies
>>719822781Post-game summary achievement stats are bugged for some reason. Hover over the achievement icons in the global achievements box for the actual percentages.
>>719823082Is The Knight or Hornet a better warrior?
>>719820769bro just... dodge shit?she does high damage on her own>>719820565you shoul'dve picked up a bunch of rosaries by then, they're great for preventing UTTER RAGE at missing like 4 anal beads to unlock a bench or something
damn the Dash feels so good
>buy ore thinking I'm going to get normal attack dmg>it's for utility items
>>719822781This early in release with this many player steam achivos are always bugged,
hornet anal beads art when
This game is harder than HK
Holy FUCK this game is fucking hardThe entire ant area is literally one GIGANTIC filter
>>719820769Yeah. It makes me wish she was dead which I doubt is what TC intended. It's hard, but doable, just focus on dodging shit.
I'm not a pussy so I'll admit itFLEAS >>> GRUBS
>>719823209dung defender in his prime desu
>>719823378I feel like I missed an upgrade or something. Ant area is ridiculous.
What's the theme of story this time? Is it yet another le depressing fallen kingdom like the first one?
please tell me where the guy that wants the 3 berries is, I got the berries a couple of hours ago and have no idea where he is
>>719823075the streamer I'm watching beat it about 30 minutes ago and he was saying the exact same thing 'this feels like a final boss of a dlc'
I'll take the overall game being generally harder if it means we don't get horse shit game modes like the Pantheon again. Path of Pain can come back though, that was kino.
Holy shit I hate crows so fucking much
>>719823378is there an alternative way to get into antland? like down from the lava-y docks? or just past the bigass mace nigga and then the yuge corridor to the right
>beast crest's pogo attackWHAT WERE THEY THINKING
>>719823573Mosshome, to the right, there is a bench and a small area with him near it
Have team cherry taken the catholicpill? I went on a pilgrimage 4 years ago and Silksong game reminds me a lot of that time. It's overflowing with religious imagery. Hollow Knight was toying around with the idea of going on a pilgrimage but they went all out here. Rosaries, bells, pilgrim camps, chants. It's fucking immense.
You know what?I have to respect Team Cherry for actually being this autistic.They KNEW the game was going to attract way more players.And what did they do?Map system still the same, no accessibility/difficulty settings, and the opening act is fucking way harder.
>>719802339ori is better
HOLY FUCKING SHIT I MISS POGOING SO BAD FUCKING THIS DIAGONAL SHIT
>>719823658It's so bad lmao
>>719823573He's just below the bench that's near the bell beast boss, you go down and a bit to the right to find him. There's another bench next to him.
>>719823713I thought a pilgrimage was also about suffering and remembering your quest.
>>719823713retardbro they are very obviously going to pull a "religion le bad" at the end, with the strings controlling the pilgrims being a false god
Anyone know what you need to progress in the end of the ant area? Looks like some bullshit so you can float on the air currents like in Ori
>>719823847Killing bugs isn't evil. That's just the life of the bug.
>humiliation march
I wish I could make a game
>>719823762you get upgrade later
>finally got the upgrade in the docksOK, now we're gaming
>>719823075I beat her an hour ago, died at least 15 times. She had so much health I'm wondering if I missed the nail upgrade somehow, Still have base weapon and 5 HP.
>>719823864Also was wondering this. I'm not backtracking and looking elsewhere through this dogshit area.
>>719823713>nigga who is religious: gosh darn, this overtly religions thing reminds of my religious experiencegee weez I dunno man
>>719823713pilgrimages are a concept present in multiple religions. first thing that came to my mind was some eastern buddhist (?) shaolin temple type stuff
>>719823864get quest from left and collect spikes from right side. those flying things shoot quest items
I fucking love these fleas manAlso this area fucking sucks. The guys with the fan knives take 20 minutes to kill because they constantly fly outside of your range and your needle has a millimeter range.I've yet to explore ant march so maybe I'll go back there and explore. I wonder if the forge daughter equipment is worth it.
Knowing intensifies.
I explored the whole of Antland. There's jackshit in there until you get more upgrades to access the locked up areas. DO NOT GO EXPLORE ANT ZONE. IT IS NOT THE INTENDED PATH.
>small ants take away the corpses of their friends SOVL OVERLOAD
WHERE'S THE CRAFTERI HAVE 2 CRAFTMETALI NEED TO CRAAAAAAAFT
>>719823117OH MAW LOOORD
>>719823804Absolutely it is. Overcoming your body and your doubts is integral.>>719823847I considered that yea. I hope they're better than that, but we'll see.
>>719824051god I wish it was me
I don't know where to go after beating Widow.
OH MY FUCKING GODYou can use the Hunter's March bench if you find the secret path to the left of it
hardest boss so far
AHAHA the dash makes you able to dance. You can do a little tapdance. Weeeeeee
>look under skirt>black voidwoooooooow
Lace 1 was kicking my ass and fueling my rage because she kept laughing every time I diedI like this game more than HK
>>719824210The fucking 360 blades are frustrating, beat him after going back to the normal nail moveset,
>>719823627godhome was added cause people complained that there wasn't enough hard end-game combat content
>>719823713There's latin mass esque chant music present in the OST.
Do you get anything from beating Fourth Chorus???
where is the bench after hunter's march gauntleti can't fucking afford a map
Did TC just never let up after Godmaster huh?All of the shit after Bone Bottom is literally mid-game Hollow Knight difficulty with a barely upgraded Hornet.
>>719823746I love these niggas like you wouldn't believe
>>719823075im bashing my head against him nowwhen the game does a fake out death and the 2nd phase started I actually busted out laughing. its literally more difficult than grimm and its a midgame boss
>>719817957Yurifag cope/bait You can tell they're secondaries trying to bait and shit because they keep posting links to the endings when the game has only been out for a few hours.
>>719823864>>719823979You wont get the updraft item for another zone or two. You can unlock everything but like two areas in Ant Hell without it. NExt stop is docks
how do I beat the red nigger, I hate his jump
UPSKIRT
Anybody else get to the drill bug boss yet?
>tfw already unlocked the Knight's moveset and an extra slot so I can use my Compass and Magnet at the same time.Fucking rad. 500 Rosary well spent.I'm loving this game so far.
>>719824458I bet airing out your pussy like that feels nice.
>>719824458What a slut
>collect 10 bear asses to progressI really could've done without this.
>>719824210I discovered a cheese for this guy accidentally. when you aggro the boss turn around and go as in you are going to leave the area, he will follow you. when you are up on the platform right before the zone part in the ceiling you can downward pogo him though the floor and he cant do anything
>>719802339Should I upgrade my gear for hunter's path with ants or is it possible to do it with starting upgrades and gear?
>>719823746I hope when they get asked in the interview whit game is so hard, they'll say something like "you should have play HK 1 before trying Silksong"
Where the fuck do you go after Bellhart?Is this the nonlinear moment where you can go anywhere?
>>719824458>nopan what the fuck was Ari thinking when he drew this??? This game is supposed to be family friendly
isnt the game a bit too easy?
WREN
>>719802339Believe it or not but you can spend 20 minutes baiting the flying enemies into the right spot to pogo off of to sequence break a section that would have taken you about 3 minutes to do. AT SEVERAL POINTS.One day I will learn not to be pigheaded about secret hunting but today is not the day.Also I thought Lace was some kind of ohoho ara ara bich but it turns out she is essentially msgk, at least based on the first(?) encounter
>>719824164Really? Where is it? Right before arena?
Has anyone found out if there is a hunter journal equivalent yet?
>>719824376NIGGER WHY IS THERE 2DMG TRAPS FUCKING EVERYWHERE FUCK OFF
>>719824593Just be yourself
>>719823746I find HK mediocre but I do indeed respect them.>game is done when it's done>doesn't give a shit about their cancer community>releases game, doesn't elaborate further>no copies for journalists so everyone goes blindit's honestly as based as it gets for indie developerswell I guess they could have given hornet massive tits9/10
>>719824696Nah lol, it is very far away, you're just in the beginning. Closer bench is if you go down into a different area
>>719806934I don't get this, it's literally an attack and a dodge in one package, what's not to like? (except sore thumbs)Although I do feel some anxiety over the inevitable part where the enemies start punishing it with excessive jumping attacks.
>>719824770the funny kiss snail gives it
>>719824164I found it by accident when I dashed out of the trap while shitting myself.>mimic benchshave videogames gone too far?
>>719824770you get it in the halfway house in the middle of greymoor
>>719824770I got it already.
chop chop zoomtards, make a new thread.
This game will filter normies won't it, I can see them fuck off at the march area
>>719824910do you get anything from this boss???
>>719824923>normiecore game will filter normiesLol
DONT explore the ant zone. It's not the intended path.
>temple of the beastthis fat fuck is not even hard and im on my 10th try
>>719824964I didn't.
So is this the bloodborne to hk's dark souls?
>>719824984Hey man I got a charm notch out of it. I'd say was worth.
>>719824984too late haha
>>719807558pffft
WHERE THE FUCK IS THE NAIL UPGRADE
The hardest part so far was to buy this game
fat fuck.
>>719807558I hold flash games from newgrounds in higher regard than every PS2 game that isn't Monster Hunter or God Hand.
Is there no way to upgrade your needle damage?
>>719825215DOBSON
anal bead game
Jelly?
>>719825268Zou vill learn the intricacies of our teletubby art and zou vill be happy
>tfw you have to take a break from silking to sleep then work
>>719825412New comfy thread? Its so hard to find a proper thread to just talk about the game.
>>719824984I ended up getting dash through exploring the ant zoneIt was worth for me desu
someone do a gameplay comfy or whatever thread already, im too old to google a picture
What's the fucking point of giving you 5 masks if everything does 2 masks of damage super early.
>>719802339Ewww you type like a trannyACL yourself
>>719825320Wait this new crest changes your entire moveset including hornets soundsWhat the fuck, i wonder how many are in the game
>>719825642Because you can heal 3 masks almost instantly
>>719802339I HATE the Ants FUCK THEM
>>719825412On the brightside it's a Friday anon. Hope you have a full weekend to play it.
this boss straight up feels like a shitpost. like if from decided to stick malenia in stormveil castle just to fuck with people
How did they get away with this?
>>719825761hag sexo i can save her
Is this game just one gigantic filter? Even Fromsoft realized to not to push back this much on its players.
the fucking blighttown of Silksong
>>719825710Oh yeah speaking of that, I fucking hate how you need to fill up your entire bar of not soul to heal 4 masks, the first game did it just fine, if it works, don't fucking fix it.
it's up
that bench is diabolical
>>719825943I'll give those assholes this, they've been trained well, motherfuckers are pulling grimm tactics
The monsters are unnecessary tanky, like why the fuck do I need 4 hits to kill a fucking mosquito
>>719826185So you can regain 4 silk? Their drops are useless.
I beat the Path of Pain just fine, but the new pogo platforming is filtering me.>tfw I might be getting too deep into the ant territoryI hope there's a fast travel point somewhere nearby. I should've went into the lava place, like the game intended...
Higher beings, these words are for you alone.You just lost the game.
>>719823209The Knight literally ascended to godhood with how good at fight he was.
>>719808358>>719809968>>719810150You can actually parry the leap attack midair even while facing away from him
>need to pay 30 rosaries everytime I want to visit the pilgrim's respite shopPharloom?More like Israel
>fight fourth chorus>absolutely beautiful, pure delight>to Moorwing>absolute piece of shit>2 masks of damage of course>fucking deals damage to you when it fucking falls after you stun it>tons of HP and dumb attacksReally inconsistent so far in terms of boss design
Mate how the fuck are you supposed to beat that red asshole without a dodge? You can't avoid his attacks without it
>>719826732Fourth chorus sucks, you just glide over every single attackThe rock finisher was cute though
>>719826686You get a ton of rosaries anyways
>>719826858Well it's fine for an early game boss, especially after you go through the absolute dogshit entire area with the red spikes and the ultra tanky enemies and cancer platforming which makes you wonder if you really were supposed to go there and you haven't missed an area before.
>charm in shop that says it stops fire damage>you can walk on hot lava rocks without taking damage even without ithmmm
They were not lying about widow being a difficulty spike.
>>719826846Because you arent supposed to be there yet, go somewhere else.
>>719827000PAY BLACKSMITHS
>>719825828>zanzibart..uuuoooh...
>>719826993>especially after you go through the absolute dogshit entire area with the red spikes and the ultra tanky enemiesI just noticed enemies were too tanky and left it for later.When the random ant soldiers are harder than bosses then it's obvious the area is meant for later.
>>719827076Am I supposed to do Deep Docks first? I can't see anywhere else.
HOLY SHIT LACE IS HORNETS MOTHER
