https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67FVMNGMFXUhttps://youtu.be/WVc4uTJmKy4?si=yzSyaG7up8J3kDQyOff we go to K'un-Lun
https://www.marvelrivals.com/gameupdate/20250904/41548_1257695.htmlhttps://www.marvelrivals.com/balancepost/20250904/41667_1257761.htmlPatch and balance notes
>>719823470Angela's tits are too small for that kind of build.
Finally, a good Phoenix skin
>>719823902Proportionally they're as big as your head.
Ultron skin looking cool
>>719823470why is she dressed like that when she's married
>>719824132Doesn't matter. Aesthetically they do not do the job of giving her a feminine silhouette.
>>719824234For the enjoyment of her husband, Reed Richards.
>>719823902Smaller tits are better
>>719824234Her husband is often tied up with work
>>719823902Women who build a lot of muscle like Angela end up losing their tits. If anything, they're too big.
Sex with Peni.Need another cute, and or sexy, Peni skinThe wasteland skin is not a homerun.
>>719824234You see, Reed is too busy in the lab to come to the beach to hang with Sue, Johnny and Ben, but he can keep one eye telescopically on her visage, thus she dresses to impress.
>>719824234Her husband is slightly autistic but fucks like a god.She can't be subtle.
I can FINALLY do something against flying FUCKS.Pic related, the last thing they will ever see once Angela releases.
>>719824234It makes more sense when a woman is married to be dressed like that. It's a man showing off his trophy, nobody else gets to fuck her.
>Those Magik buffsWtf, I main her, but why?
>>719824549This is why most of those ntr memes about Sue, specifically the bbc ones, are so nonsensical
>>719824334bullshit, reed is too focused on his lab and nerdy shit to give a shit about this and she knows it, she's doing this for the enjoyment of everyone except him
Magikbros... are we spoiled?
>>719824549sadly he spends 99.9999% of his time working so she needs to look somewhere else for male attention
>>719824780No summer skin so nope
>>719824721Aside from the piercing which probably wont be super relevant, she's just getting nerfed. Doesn't effect any of her 250 or 275 breakpoints but she's going to have a harder time vs 300 hp chars iirc.
>>719824725for this one panel there are hundreds of her complaining about reed not paying enough attention to her, those memes are very valid
Peni's peniPhoenix's poenix
>>719824780nah, we didn't get shit for 3 fucking seasons! if anything fuck em for not buffing her dash
>>719823470Made for Namor
Magneto hasn't had a new shop skin since Season 0
>>719824909>>719824721found it.
>>719824915She's his wife and the mother of his children, autistically doing lab work for a week at a time is a little hurtful even if he doesn't mean it to be
>>719824909Huh? Why, I'm confused, she got nothing but buffs, no?
>>719824725Those exist because of official material, some actual comic book writers really have gone out of their way to portray Sue as a frustrated wife who deep down wants to fuck Namor, something that most comic book fans traditionally didn't really mind due to the fact Reed is often written like a hateable autistic asshole in non-F4 comics
>>719824815he could spend 99.9999% of his time working and fuck his wife at the same time with his stretched dick
>>719823902They want the brown audience
Black Panther is so lucky...
>>719825080Oh fuck, I forgot about the free %15 dmg boost she's had for so long.
>>719824636Me personally I'm getting erect thinking about the amount of spiderman and black panther mains that are going to get a massive ass whooping. I got a lot of pent up rage over those pieces of shits.
>>719825407angewomon can do absolutely nothing to spiderman. She doesn't have the speed or the stamina to keep up.
>>719824725
>>719824958She hasn't needed anything. She's one of the most honest characters in the game.
>>719825515NOW she is honest
Nerfed? Still gonna play her and make bronzies seethe.
>>719824406>muh realismNo one gives a shit. Her aesthetics are off.
>>719825583I thought it was REALLY funny when they said they were buffing strange and they just nerfed him lol. He does not give a single fuck about 2s off maelstrom.
>>719824406>Women who build a lot of muscle end up losing their titsIts almost like women shouldn't try to aspire towards masculine body ideals
>>719825236he doesn't, thats why sue constantly complains about him and knowing this her dressing like this is definintely not for his enjoyment
>>719825502Kek keep telling yourself that. Your days of being a menace are OVER. Better start learning how to flex to other characters.
>>719824780No, she needs more.
>>719825583>nothingburger "buff" to Strange>overnerfed Emma>Thor is still useless>Peni is now permabanned in every map she's usable inI'm going to love having to pick Magneto every single fucking game, thank you chinkoid devs.
>>719824852She is to Sue what Yuffie is to Tifa.
>>719825662>Bucky's uppercut now stops movement abilities>the combo that was almost a free fill just got better>buffing Magik when she's a menace>not only that but it's a buff to her i-frames too
>>719826359She's losing 15% of her damage, dude. Those are compensation buffs.
>>719825205Actual 616 Reed and Sue have been faithful the entirety of their marriage going back to the 60s.This seems to anger some writers, but they can't do anything about it but shove in their NTR fetishes of the exotic Brazilian helicopter pilot in non-canon stories.
>>719825205>official materialthose aren't canon
>>719824334Reed didn't get a beach skin. He didn't go with her.
>Buying skins for characters you suck atWho does this?
>>719827267>he doesn't know
>>719827383MEEEEEEE
>>719827363Needs bikini skin
>>719827363
Is human torch still garbage?
>>719827383
>>719824234>>719827267
>>719827383Sometimes I feel a great skin will encourage me to try a character more and get good
>>719827859Damn Reed doesn't sit in the chair, he IS the chair.
>>719827859
>>719827704He has been the best character in the game by a long shot since like a month or two after he came out when they buffed him by removing the lag from his shots. >>719827520I don't think she's going to get one. Despite her being 18+ people are still acting like fags about her.
>>719827363Needs nude skin
>>719823470not a musclefag but i'd make an exception for angela...
>>719825635Hit boxes too big
>>719828201>Not gay, but...
>>719826754My blackfu
>>719824234She was dressed kind of like that in the 90s. I remember reading in the letter section that the artist's wife got pissed at him for that design.
ENTER
>>719827949His wife is literally riding him
>>719829512That's the costume they're adapting. It was much disliked by readers because it was way out of character for Sue to suddenly wear this slutty outfit, and even for the time it was a bit obvious as a writer's fetish gear. The F4 outfits are pretty consistent in design over the decades so it stuck out and didn't last more than a year or two.But adapting it as an actual swimsuit is a funny nod.
>>719829875Yeah, I didn't really read a lot of FF back in the day, so I didn't know the full story on that. I think that I just read one or two issues where Wolverine showed up and slashed Ben's face, so he wore a mask for a while.
Angela is so fucking shota-coded
Soon?
If you like Marvel Rivals you should check out NetEase's newest game Destiny Rising it's pretty lit.
>>719830419nahRogue/Gambit nextAnd then Xavier + ????Probably Deadpool
>>719829746You make it sound sexy and not like he's being used as a prop
>>719830369Hope she gets a VP reference skin. She already got the sephiroth/eve reference
>>719830517Does it have Marvel characters?
>>719830694hope she gets any covered up skin in the first battlepass. looks fun to play but disgustingly ugly.
>>719826867Even as a hagSue still got it
>>719830794her first skin is a 2099 one
>>719830832yeah but I aint buying a skin for her. I do like the angewomon skin honestly though.
>>719830517>no wanda asscheeks no thanks lil bro
>>719828037>Despite her being 18+Is this directly confirmed in Rivals?
>>719831505No. She's simply referred to as a young teen genius in her description. But someone on the team said it on discord transparently to shut people up complaining about a teenager having a sexy outfit.
>>719831672Thought as much. She clearly looks like an adult, and it wouldn't make sense otherwise in a game where Loki has his bulge hanging out.
>>719824234never understood your muslim mindset.If I had a girl like sue I'd dress her up like my slutty submissive bitch, showing all you betas how it's done and reaffirming my level of pull.I'd only cover her up if I'm embarrassed to be with her.Wait... it's starting to click now..
>Vanguard: Thor and Angela>Duelist: Hela and ____>Strategist: Loki and ____How might we complete our Asgardian comp?
>>719831920suggesting Valkyrie as Duelist, Enchantress as Strategist
>>719831792>If I had a girl like sue I'd dress her up like my slutty submissive bitchBut Sue isn't a slutty submissive bitch?
>>719825662>making the shitter character even easier to use nowWanda was a mistake.
>Can get healed through ghost form>Reality erasure damage to 9999, no more getting outdamaged by a fucking iron man blast>With a gigasuck added tooWANDA BROS WE'RE FUCKING WINNING WW@??
>>719833817>Wanda buffed>Meanwhile Squirrel Girl, with her 44% W/R, got nerfedshit's tough
>>719824090>goodThat's boring as hell, any real Jean costume from the comics is better than this
>>719830369shes a lesbian with a trasngender GF retard
>>719830369Hyper-masculine female in a western game >:(Hyper-masculine female in an eastern game :O
>>719834162it was a tranny wife, actuallyAnd I'm pretty sure they ended up separatingNot like it matters, because she's basically forgotten by MarvelAnd the chinks are probably just going to ignore it
>>719833917I LOVE WOBBLY CHEEKS
>>719830369How did Angela become a Marvel character? I remember her being in Spawn.
>>719833817>gets grabbed by Emma who is in every match>or webbed by Peni who is only getting more popular>Strange teamup nerfed>still worse range than Emma and Cloak's beam>gets melted by fliers because she has to use all her ghosts to reach them>cant burst down healers quick enough to stop triple heal faggotryIt's still a painful time of trying to wrangle the divers targeting your team or hoping that your team assists you in removing fliers.
>>719834149Loki's looking extra zesty
>>719834241Yes
Do people still play this?
>>719834317Gaiman sold the rights to them.
>>719834317Legal dispute between creators. Apparently ends with rights being sold to Marvel.
>>719831792>I'll show you how alpha I am, I'll let you eyefuck my barely clothed girl and jerk off to her later! That makes everyone think I'm cool, r-right?Fag
>>719834317Image Comics entire thing was that the creators owned the rights to the characters they createdThis came to bite Todd McFarlane in the ass when he and Gaiman got into a dispute, which ended up in Gaiman leaving and suing Image Comics to get the right to his characters, including Angela.Marvel backed him up because they wanted some of his characters, apparently. And when Gaiman won, he basically gave the rights to Angela to Marvel as "repayment", and also to spite McFarlane
>>719834328PYOOR SEXO
>>719834328At least she's got one of the few ults that can flat out cancel triple healer comps if it goes off, but yeah.
>>719826754she cute
>>719834371nah its mostly poorfags and children the rest are bots who never que
>>719834429watching that episode right now at this very moment lol
>>719823470They progressively dropped the ball until it was burried. After making the fan favorite blade dogshit, they're now releasing literally who as the next hero. Plus they should've added more bikini babe skins instead of character but venom and character but phoenix. Luna and Psylocke's skins were nice but I don't play either and want a bikini skin for characters I play like Emma, Peni, CnD and Scarlet witch.
>>719835917Firm. Nordic. Bum.
>>719835917
>>719835917It's a nice ass.
>luna nerfed>despite this, still no reason to pick Mantis over here except for damage boosting BW
>>719835917man ass, damn this game is getting queer already huh?I guess trans emma was a warning
>>719836369I pick Mantis cause I find her fun.
>>719836369>still no reason to pick MantisSleeping sloppy divers
>>719833928>any real Jean costumelmaoJean has by far and away the worst costumes on the X-Men team, consistently
>>719834290It would be so based if they made her love interest a man instead of a man pretending to be a woman
>>719825754Why not? What's wrong with a woman wanting to become stronger?
>>719833928you basically just posted the same costume just a different color
>>719831792Anon, I think you might be a cuckold
>>719834317>>719834681Marvel were interested in acquiring the rights to Miracleman, as was Gaiman who had written for the Miracleman book previously, and they apparently lay with MacFarlane according to himself due to him buying out the bankrupt previous company that owned him, so they backed Gaiman's Spawn royalties suit in the hopes of shaking them loose in the process. As it turned out in court when attorneys actually combed through the legal work, MacFarlane not only no longer had the rights to Miracleman, he had never actually had the rights to Miracleman at any point, they'd reverted to the estate of the owner of Marvelman upon the bankruptcy of the previous company (Eclipse Comics I think), and Marvel just bought them from the estate instead, and have since finally reprinted the Marvelman and Miracleman books which had been out of print forever. But in any case, Gaiman had created three characters for Spawn, including Angela, and the final settlement was a cash payout to Gaiman and the rights to Angela, while the rights to the other two Spawn characters went to MacFarlane. Then Gaiman sold her to Marvel, as you said. MacFarlane is a mouthy motherfucker so he makes enemies fast.That's not even getting into the longer Marvelman/Miracleman mess that goes back decades before that.It's a convoluted story. The lesson is "don't rely on handshakes, get it in writing".
>>719834290>>719836842>a man pretending to be a womanThis is rather stupid because Sera was literally transformed into a biological female with magic. It's not just "put on a dress and say so".
>>719837580>the same costumecheck your eyes, you are blind
>>719836742Any comcifag that could point to the last cheesecake marvel has done? Last one i've heard was an the old avengers with Mrs. marvel vs ultron or something
>>719825783>See, we do nerf her!>Only a 2 second nerf
>>719839293>Only a 2 second nerf2 out of 12 retard
>>719839582It's still a nothingburger, chink.
>>719834328brown whore
>>719839709No retard it's one thing to say it's not enough but to act like it's nothing is retarded
>>719839886It is nothing
>>719839582Still just a slap on the wrist. She will still be the most overtuned healer with the best healing ult in the game.
>>719826867Got damn shes stacked as a granny. We needed THIS skin.
>>719839932it's roughly a 16% reduction for a nerf that's not nothing
But will the game run well like season 2, or will it run like ass like all the other seasons?
Angela has been an emotional roller-coaster. at first i was furious it's not a character i'm more interested in, like Carol or She-Hulk. then i talked myself down and decided to give her a chance, if only because i should probably unconditionally support big beefy women if i want them to put more in the game. but then i saw her kit, and she doesn't even look like a character i would have fun playing. i'm exhausted.>>719827383apparently i'm going to buy skins for a character i don't even play. so i guess me, unfortunately.>>719827589this Peni skin saved my life. it is still her only good skin.
>>719841139ps4 version coming out soon, they must've done some optimizations to get it running on that dinosaur
>>719831792that sounds cool until you try it and end up looking as crazy as Kanye West did dragging his Kim K lookalike to red carpets butt ass naked. that shit isn't a flex, it makes you look like an insecure cornball.
>>719841214Shit tasteHer kit looks kino
Big Beefy Bitches.
>>719836374These posts are sounding more and more desperate. They should put an Overwatch sticker next to your name field. lol
>>719841294Can't wait for the EOMM (that totally doesn't exist btw haha) to put all the day one PS4 shitters on my team
>>719841214>CarolNobody genuinely likes Carol
>>719841416i'm tired of two-in-one mode switch kits. i just wanted something straightforward.
>>719824780My retard wife deserves the world and more
>>719841427
>>719841524her kit seemed pretty straightfoward to meGet someone outta position with the charge, and then dive in on them with the melee
>>719841467we do this every thread, man. give it a rest.
>>719841697that's great – i'm happy for you, but cannot relate.
>>719838550Dark Phoenix is just a black version of Phoenix's costume
>9999 damage >can be healed while in her escapeWanda mains... How we feeling? She was my first lord and I love how much hate she gets for being "easy". Makes beating all the tryhard sweats even sweeter.
>>719834356theres going to be so much futa porn of her
>>719842462>>719825662Can she still get CC's?
>>719842591yes
>>719842462She's still in the running for worst 3 characters in the game so idk champ. I promise you you're not beating any "try hards" with wanda, just your bronze/silver brethren.
>>719823470What if Reed doesn't have a summer skin because he is her swimsuit?
>>719823470SUSAAAAAAN
>>719831920>>719832278>TWO more blondes
>>719825583STOP NERFING MY MAIN AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>719843264Every IF, BP, Hela, Blade, Storm, and Torch are tryhards and I rolled SW all the way to diamond before getting bored and running tanks to gm1. Wanda is slept on and overhated
>>719842591But her ult now pulls enemies towards her so if you have half a braincell you could coordinate even more ults with your team and pull off some cool wipes. That's assuming you survive long enough to actually get it off
Hey YOU! Yeah you! We got three slots free, now name your heavy hitter, your curveball, and your never ever choices!OR ELSE!
>>719845325Gambit as tank, Ghost Rider dps, and Modok support
>>719825783so Loki is just completely obliterated with these changes? >>719826057>Strange buff>nothingburgerHe is going to deal so much damage now, it's absurd.>>719825080Is the intent to shift Magik from diving towards brawling?
>>719845325SentrySentry's Girlfriend YelenaGhost
>>719845325>Ghost Rider>She-Hulk>Spider-Woman
>>719835917>decent, respectable ass>will get an alt skin that enhances the shape just like some of the other heroes
>>719845325>Apocalypse (Vanguard)>Sauron (Strategist)>Silk (Strategist)
>>719845325Carnage as DuelistLockjaw as VanguardZzzax as Vanguard
>>719845325Gimme Green Goblin, Lizard and MysterioMore Spidey villains in general
>>719837432It makes me angry and threatened. Not only are they turning into men they're challenging my masculinity.
>>719824734Why are /v/irgins like this?
>>719845325Heavy hitter: SentryCurveball: DominoNever ever: Spawn
>>719845325Give me Ghost Rider for my A-ListerGamora for the curveballFantasma for the never everYeah, I picked two Ghost Riders. Big whoop, wanna fight about it? Either her, or Enchantress.
>>719824090why is the stand a woman and not a bird.
>>719846859Phoenix is mimicking Jean's form
>>719824151>wasteland ultron>not stepdad-tron
>>719842521There already is. Those people have incredible mental damage.
>>719841431It's hilarious how much this place claims to hate trannies while they want everything that exists to be trannies.
>>719824725Because it's a capeshit, so it's exists in the state of neverending ongoing series and so writters (not the best one, because this genre doesn't attract talanted people) had to constantly rotate the same story elements around the characters but never change them permanently and always return to status quo.
>>719845325everyone here
>>719847171Its up there with the big ass=catering to blacks shit.
>>719825583Emma nerfs are so lame
>>719847327>they're increasing the amount of sex appeal each season more and more>by the time Carol arrives as Captain Marvel she will most definitely get a sexy Ms. Marvel throwback skinThank god
>>719846997it looks dumb.
>>719831792Fuck what everyone else is saying youre just giving her an excuse to flirt with other men under the guise of being ultra dominant when in reality she now gets to enjoy attention from you and everyone else and out of like every hundred men that see her one is going to get her digits and shes going to start texting and wanting to meet up with other "friends" who are men and shes gonna pose it like youre a coward for not trusting her to hang out with her "friends" and youre probably gonna reply to this with some macho tough guy larp like >heh not me im gonna keep her in line >:)but this happens to everyone thats why its weird when people want to flaunt their hot girl to everyone. Like with Kanye West, like other anon said, he was into Diddy parties and sexually into the literal cuckold fetish diddy had, so we know he only advertises her like that to watch other men fuck her.
>>719847739No it looks like a sexy fire girl
>>719848132CULO
>>719847171>this place claims to hate trannies while they want everything that exists to be tranniesSay goodbye to this tranny healthcare I guess.
>>719845621Yelena is the best thing to come out of nuMCU I swear. Even if Black Widow was a garbage movie she was alright, and then Hawkeye and Thunderbolts had her.
>>719845143>she works in bronze - plat!I'll alert the fucking presses!lol
>>719848903So how many times have you died by her?
>>719845325Heavy hitter: JuggernautCurveball: SauronNever ever:
>>719846405>muh /v/irgins>muh zoomersMake up your mind schizo.
>>719849128When did I say anything about your second greentext?
>>719842462lmao, no. Maybe against super bad teams though.
>>719849320You know who you are.
>>719844981For those concerned about MCU synergy or something like that, Tessa Thompson's version of Brunnhilde/Valkyrie from Thor Ragnarok was basically copied into the comics as a brand new character, Runa. Assuming Brunnhilde is the Valkyrie we're getting, she'd be the classic blonde version.
>>719845464>Is the intent to shift Magik from diving towards brawling?it's distributing the previous 15% damage buff to her kit, since she's losing the team up. In reality, it's a nerf.
>>719849552Whatever you want me to be so you can chimp out, apparently.
>>719849052>>719845853I'd like Sauron to have an actual flight mechanic, not free floating like Storm, Torch, Ultron and Iron Man, but more like Moon Knight's gliding except with the ability to glide upward with wing flaps, or maybe like Iron Man's fast mode, and in general faster than how the floating characters move. Since we've seen a grounded/flight mode switch character in Angela now, it would be easy to do Sauron as a flying and landing character that can grab up foes OR allies with his talons and carry them, and use ranged lifesteal on foes to heal allies.
>>719849809Ok schizo.
>>719849886>you're everyone who upsets me, you're a schizo!Projecting so hard the bulb is burning out.
>>719850009Ok schizo.
>>719849856>his Ult turns his teammates into dinosaurs
>>719850263Am I supposed to give a shit about these pictures you're spamming at me?
>>719849856>melee attacks build a meter that changes to ranged sonic blasts>can drain health from opponents and heal himself>see opponents through walls and obstacles>short-ranged fire breath on a meterAlong with the grounded/flight toggle he would be so much fun.
They fuck
>>719850773me
>>719850773Shota's
>>719850773レズバトル, or lesbian competitive intercourse in English, is my favorite tag.
>>719850548>>see opponents through walls and obstaclesSurely that's gonna be Daredevil's thing?
>>719851520Probably, but it's one of Sauron's powers, too, he can sense mutants. He also has hypnotism powers that make people see others as monsters. Havok has been one of his main targets for life draining because her life force substantially powers him up.
>>719851808Shit, mangled that last part bad, got Majik mixed up with Havok.
>>719851808He should have a hypo-freeze a little like Hulk's exile, or maybe like a targeted single beam of Emma's Ult effect
>>719850434he is an actual schizophrenic projecting his mental illness onto you, ignore him
peni parker makes my spider the big spider
>>719852247Penis Parker needs more skins.And to show more skin
>>719852414booba
>>719852414Ultron's had good skins so far
>>719850434>>719852202>samefagging
>>719852414ultron looks like doom, i like it. and that outfit is a lot better than her base one, if only because it covers up her gross, manly chest/midriff
>>719852765It's funny how /v/irgins are so mentally damaged they see women and claim they're men and look at men and claim they're women.
>>719845325>heavy hitterGhost Rider, Jonny or Robbie I think they are unique enough to get their own version>curveballTaskmaster, he would be the greatest hybrid character>Never EverSwordsman, I like that he is French and a loser
The mech looks aright.Peni would look better with a normal hat instead of a cat helmet. Like a dirty ballcap or newsboy cap.Also she's got that starfox leg treatment going on.
>>719852839See >>719848784
>>719853062What does that have to do with anything I said?
>>719824090meanwhile
>>719837749>they'd reverted to the estate of the owner of Marvelman upon the bankruptcy of the previous company (Eclipse Comics I think)It's worse. Eclipse never owned Marvelman, they just thought they did. That's partly the reason Moore didn't want to be credited in the reprints.
>>719853189This lasted like 15 or 20 years by the way.A succession of people each thinking they had the rights to something while at no point did anyone involved have them.
>>719852414>Angela skin covers her abs and bicepsOh thank God, I don't have to buy it.
>>719853189>>719853490reminder that the average comic company is run by retards
>>719853615How to fix this problem?
>>719845325>The Beyonder Tank >Molecule Man Support >Gwenpool DPS
>>719845325any Spider-Girl (but preferably Mayday), She-Hulk, and I'll choose Makkari last since Carol has already been confirmed. i need to update this.
>>719853949my Marvel Tōkon and Marvel Rivals wishlists are more or less identical, the Tōkon section just has some guest characters.
>>719845325Ghost Rider vanguard for the heavy hitter.Spider-Gwen strategist curveball(Or any spider strategist really, I just want a support that I can web swing with).Capcom Crossover featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series. for never ever.
Put him in, god damn it.
Put him in
>>719825737It's definitely a buff.I play a lot of Strange and there are plenty of times where I have high energy and the burst is on cooldown whereas the 25 is beyond negligible when he has an 800hp shield he can whip out whenever he wants.But neither are particularly big changes for him, he'll be more or less the same character next patch.
>>719827324MOMMY MOMMY MOMMY
>>719825783Lokibros......It's fucking over for us isn't it?
>>719854773Don't care what they do to him, I will forever main my sexy boy.
>>719854743>jeet slopplease never post this again
What skins we got this season
>>719854827He's the only strategist I actually have a good time with. All the others are just so goddamn boring.
Magik needs a new skin immediately
>>719824725logically it makes more sense for her to be so desperate for her husband's dick specifically despite him being constantly busy because literally no other dick can do what Reed's can but the brains of NTRfags are rotted and not mentally sound
Tony Stark skins?????HEELLOOOO? MARVEEL????
>>719835917nice ass but hips aren't wide enoughit's like she and Emma have swapped lower halves
>>719845325Heavy Hitter: Doctor OctopusCurveball: NimrodNever Ever: Stilt-Man
>>719855035I have fun with Invisible Woman, Rocket, and Ultron. But Loki will always be my favorite.
>>719855192He just got one like two weeks ago
>>719855192he just got a legendary, the fuck do you mean??
>>719853949I think the only villains they're gonna go for actually adding will be ones that can actually be reasoned with somewhat and have decent reasoning for helping in the fight against Doom or whoever the big bad of the week is, anyone you can make a decent excuse for getting to helpcan't see Carnage joining for that reason except as an arc villain, guy doesn't care about shit besides murdering the fuck out of people
>>719855303>>719855321>he just got a legendary, the fuck do you mean??YEAH, SO? I NEED A WEDDING SKIN WITH EMMA FROST>B-B-BUH MY SCOT-ACKKKKKDONT CARE EMMA IS TRAINED TO LOVE TONY STARK UNIBEAM
>>719855373Carnage has been a good guy before, as AXIS Carnage.
>>719855274Ult line>Sorry to drop in!
>>719830419How does this game not have any of the 7 best Marvel characters of all time already? Gambit, Rogue, Jubilee, Cable, Domino, Deadpool and Task Master?
Is a new big bad going to replace Doom when he finally gets added to the roster?
>>719854834Saar do the NEEDFUL NOW
>>719855470Those skins should arrive next year.
>>719855619Gambit, Rogue, Jubilee and Deadpool are all datamined, in fact Gambit and Rogue are apparently coming in Season 5
>>719855619>Task Master?AHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAno task master always sucked and Im glad his movie adaptation was DOGSHIT.
>>719855832Hopefully they have similar voices to the ones in the 90s cartoon.
>>719855904How did Taskmaster hurt you?
>>719855941Garbage dogshit character for overgrown cringe manchildren
>>719856041Try saying that again but without the kiddie buzzwords.
>>719856041based
>>719834149>loki the fruit
>>719834149>elf loki with his tummy showingHow much of a slut can they make him, damn.
What would sex with Angela be like?
>>719834328i know that look, it's when she sees white man and wants that precious seed to fertile garden
>>719856314
>>719856314She would dom cowgirl you to maximum exhaustion
>>719855619this nigga just named a buncha X-Men and Taskmaster. half the cast are already X-Men and next season is shaping up to be Gambit & Rogue. your check is already in the mail, bro. lol
>>719852414https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iOJ85qEnGA
>>719856570It's an X world, flatscan.
>>719838942black cat #1 came out last week. shame we won't get her as a character for years
>>719823470Oh my gosh Namor is so lucky...
>>719856715>X-Men Rivals
>>719825662>scarlet witch GIGA buffsyeah i know why ionly play her
I really miss playing Sue Is it a good time to come back?
She looks like she has a thick prince Albert piercing.
>>719857250Is 800 -> 9999 really that big of a buff when she already one shots everyone except monster hulk
>>719857649i think the actual target of the buff was Groot. i saw someone say he can't survive it anymore either.
>>719857649I've seen emma and peni tank the ult. The buff helps alot
>>719824734dumb ape that's the exact reason she does these big performances in the hopes of drawing his attention away from the lab and she does this because she's still a dumb woman incapable of just asking her husband to dick her down
>>719857010I'd say she's the most likely Spidey supporting character, simply because seemingly all his other supporting characters are just "Spider-Man but with a new hat".
>>719857649It means literally nothing it hits will live
>>719855085This guy knows what's up
>>719858493is Felicia not also just Spider-Man wearing a hat with cat ears on it?
>>719855274>NimrodBastion is cooler and sexier
>>719858493Hey, man... sometimes Spider-Man with a new hat goes hard...
>>719858639Nah she's just Catwoman basically.
>>719857649some tanks could survive it depending on the situation, like Venom with enough bonus health or charging Thing or Grootthis just makes it a guaranteed 'fuck you eat shit and die' button if it hits someone that isn't behind a wall or shielded somehow which is perfectly fair considering she has to sit there floating in mid-air charging up for 3 seconds and everyone gets a big red exclamation point alert telling them to shoot at her or stun her before it goes off
>>719859023meh. I still havent died to it once since season 1.
>>719859251because it's easy as fuck to dodgepeople see the cc pull effect and the massive damage and call it a buff despite nothing functionally changing about it being so simple to shut down
>>719858493The only one that might work as a character different enough from Peter would be Spider-Man 2099, since he has a somewhat different powerset from Peter and a different fighting style. Although it might be a bit similar to Black Panther with the claws and climbing parts.Otherwise they're all just too redundant in terms of Spider-powers, from Silk to Spider-Gwen. And yes that includes Miles, he isn't different from Spider-Man, he's just Spider-Man but with a dozen extra powers put on top, Miguel at least has actual different base powers and a sci-fi aesthetic. You could make him a Vanguard if you want to do the same as the Spider-Verse movie and make him a lot bigger than Peter, though obviously still far smaller than Venom.Otherwise for Spider-Man characters it's really all villains you're looking at for additions. Not that the game doesn't need more villains, but it would be a little unlikely to get like six or seven of them from one hero's rogues gallery, and you're actually kind of spoiled for choice, as so many of Spidey's villains would fit right into Rivals. Goblin obviously, but also Doc Ock, Carnage, Mysterio, Sandman, Lizard, Kingpin and Electro would all be super easy to make kits for and each would be pretty unique in the game.
>>719859458Miles could at least make sense by saying this version's electricity is more wild so he can't use web slingers and it leads to him using the sword and Venom Touch and all that. It's a moveset that could work but any slot on Miles is also a wasted slot.
>>719859458I can't believe they just straight lifted the black and red color scheme for Morales
>>719859429They really should get rid of the huge exclamation point alert. It's so alarming, it can actually be distracting sometimes.
The Spider-Man of this game should've been Miles
>>719859840Miles is lame
>>719859557I guess, but it's working kind of backwards. Basically taking someone who is inherently redundant and trying to justify adding them anyway by tinkering. I think the time is better spent on non-redundant characters. Yeah, characters get tweaked to justify gameplay movesets, but they also tend to be slots that need filling. Like yeah it's a little odd for Adam Warlock to be squishy and not able to fly, but there's also a type of healer role that he fulfills n the process, and it does correspond reasonably to his messianic character. Whereas if you want a sword wielding DPS, Miles is not exactly who you immediately think of.So you'd only really be adding him if you were specifically determined to add Miles himself. I don't think he'd pass the many hurdles from brainstorm to concept to development to testing to release.
>>719859458I don't understand the idea that Marvel Rivals Spider-Man is such a comprehensive, definitive take on a character with that power set that there's absolutely no room left for another Spider-Man or Spider-Girl. Am I the only person on the planet who remembers that Shattered Dimensions had you playing as like, 4 different Spider-Men, each with their own spin and take on the power set? That Web of Shadows gave normal and Symbiote Spider-Man different movesets? That Peter, Miles, and Gwen all coexist in lIte ARPG MUA3?Gwen has been Gwenom before, you can use that to make her distinct. Just like Web of Shadows and Shattered Dimensions both used Symbiote powers to diversify their Spider-Men. Miles has half the Fantastic 4's powers in addition to all of Peter's. Miguel is built like a brick shithouse in Spider-Verse and could be a tank. Jessica Drew shoots fucking lasers out of her fingers and can fly. I'm not saying we NEED 8 Spider-Men in the game, I'm just saying it's utterly and completely irrational to treat Marvel Rivals Spider-Man like he's everything a Spider-Man could possibly be. It literally feels like you guys have never played a Spider-Man game or game featuring Spider-Man except maybe the fucking Insomniac one and Marvel vs Capcom.
>>719823470Sexy skin for Peni when?
>>719860043Never.
>>719859909t. Racist
>>719860202t. Bendis
>>719859998There is already Peni Parker. What are you're asking is more Duelist.
>>719860065Then no wonder things have been going downhill. They made an better D.Va and refuse to make money on her.
>>719859840That's extreme.>>719859909Miles got hoed by his original origin story and the Gwen """ship.""" If they hadn't killed Peter to put him over and set him up with an AU version of Peter's dead girlfriend, I think he actually could've gotten over.Imagine if Jon Stewart Green Lantern's origin story was "Hal died, here's his replacement", and then they set him up with an AU version of Hal's dead girlfriend. Green Lantern fans would've hated that brother's guts. Imagine if Wally West had done that to Barry, or white Wally. LOLBendis is just a fucking lunatic.
>>719860419>They made an better D.Va
Not playing again until they add Agatha Harkness
>>719860469>Saving images from one of the million mistakes that made western cartoons a thing of the past
>>719860684I liked lower decks.
>>719860327I mean, yeah, I would like a ranged Duelist Spider-Girl. I wanna thwip ranged attacks at people.If they can make martial artist, swordsman, teleporter, and psychic forehead blaster Psylocke into a "turn invisible and shotgun people in the back" character, I DESERVE to cling to a wall and thwip little web blasts at people. lol
>>719860884I'd also like to have a web throw to get people the fuck off me when they get close, but I couldn't post that image and this gif at the same time. lol
Spider-Ham is a better pick than all other spiders.
>>719861225Saved. lolWait, there are two Jessica's here? OP team.
Angela is what Thor should have been the whole time.
>>719859998Is Jessica Drew much of a Peter supporting character? I don't know much about her but to my understanding she has a totally different powerset that has nothing to do with Spidey.
>>719823470HOLY FUTA-CODED
>>719861568no, she's always been a solo or Avengers character outside of Spider-verse slop events
>>719861804this is part of why it bothers me that i don't like her stock color palette, cause it is presumably going be the one they make all the smut with.
>>719861804>malenia but trannier
>download game>expect the first game a cakewalk and the second to get completely stomped>it happens
>>719855619Deadpool is a good character if you happen to be a reddit goblin. To anyone with common sense, he's worthless. He's the precursor to that "internet gas" faggotry that Marvel tried to publish
>>719862101I'm actually curious about how they are going to handle him. Classic Deadpool, MCU Deadpool, completely retarded modern comics Deadpool?
>>719861850Well then I see no problem putting her in
>>719823765unironically the best balance patch they've ever done. the meta will finally be changed after 3 seasons of the same shit.
>>719833917squirrel girl only has a low WR because she's attractive to literal mouthbreathers who think she's easy. for anyone else who could aim pipes in tf2 she's S tier
>>719862101Good morning sir precusor what mean this word
My 1070 cant run the game no more
>>719863704Thanks, Peni, like the tails, gives me something to HANG ON TO!Down boy, down!
>>719823470Can you guys give me tips to get better aiming? I'm feeling that the only way I can climb on ranked is flexing with dps, I really wish I could master hela/panther/bucky but I only got solo tanking in the end
/co/fags I just wanna confirm if the Deadpool teleportation was only a thing in his video game as well as in Wolverine
>>719864703from what i can tell from a quick Google search, Deadpool's been teleporting since 1996.https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Deadpool_Vol_2_1
magik futa x angelayep its KINO
>>719858463but she knows these performances don't work on him, they never do. she's not a retard she's also a scientist, she's understands what he is which is why these performances are not for him
>>719825583Now they just have to undo that faggot ass rework and Thor’s back in business.
futa angela x peni cumflation
me x peni mating press
>>719829875>It was much disliked by readers because it was way out of character for Sue to suddenly wear this slutty outfitIt completely makes sense if you consider the fact that Malice was never truly defeated and is still a part of Sue's psyche even after all these years.
Overwatch already did it better
>>719866450Malice is the slutty one?I always thought she was more of the jealous type.
>>719866792Yes, Malice is a ho, a manifestation of Sue's inhibited negative emotions come to life. She first appears when sue is brainwashed after suffering a miscarriage, which is where the inner drive to be a ho who wears revealing outfits comes from, she's a homewrecker in contrast to normal sue's loyalty.
>>719825205What bugs me the most is they chose Namor, Like fish piss and feet wings vs stretchy dick. I just cant take him seriously as some ultra chad all the women want.
>>719867000maybe back in the day there was a rather large demographic women who wanted a wetter dick vs a longer dick
>>719827363>gets zero (0) good skins in your path
so no new weekly challenges for like 2 weeks and no way to earn more coins is lame
>>719868080What have you been doing the last couple of months?
>>719827363>twice the size of Thor>same health
>>719845325War MachineNebulaThanos
>>719845325RogueAnt ManGalacta
I wish there was some builder type characters in the game.
>>719868432Peni builds nests.
>>719868416I mean, its only a matter of time since Galacta has an in game model already.
>marvel rivals thread on /v/>/co/ trannies desperately shilling their shit comicsEvery single time
>>719868459She doesnt quite scratch the itch. I want to set up some shield battery or nurse a turret in some cheeky place or something.
>>719868535The Miles shilling earlier exposed them
>>719868479That was probably modeled for custcenes and tossed in the game files just in case.
>>719868540I feel you. They also "fixed" both torbjorn and the poojeeta so I cant get my fix either.
>>719868540She does for me, because I have to upkeep the mines in sneeky places to keep retards exploding consistently.Remember, the maximum range of her web launcher and mine launcher is bigger than any map.
>>719861804>FutaShe's pure trannybait.
>>719866552A shame no tanks in this game are as fun as Overwatch but at least the dps and support are better
>>719868860Ugh she feels so off though. Like she's just playing her own game off in the corner doing her thing. You need a team of players with higher than 80 iq to be effective
>>719868860SEX
>>719868648I think the most they would do for her ingame is by putting her on moving throne for an escort match.I'd imagine her voice lines would be interesting on those matches...
So does Rivals have an official artbook or nah. Love them concept arts but I'm not going all sweaty with this kind of game (I'm bad).
I stopped playing halfway through because the EOMM took all the fun out of the game and I don't want to sweat in ranked. Angela is extremely appealing to me as a tank player and someone who loves big strong women but I don't think they will ever fundamentally change the experience to make it enjoyable to play again.
>>719869847They have "some Art Vision" videos in the youtube channel where the art team talks about the process of making the game and show some concept art.
I still haven't played blade or jean give us classic x men skins
>>719870071The only mode I enjoy now is Doom match practice, since it doesn't have eomm
>>719870361Yeah, bookmarked and watched it weekly, but I was talking about The Art of Marvel Rivals or something along that line. Actual book (or scans) with concept arts contents. Sure I can screenshot every time it appears in the video but come on now.Unless it doesn't exist yet which is a shame.
>Rogue will get the ultra musclegirl treatment Grim
>>719870621The first wave of the current swimsuit skins come from the arts in Marvel Swimsuit Special: Friends, Foes & Rivals (2025-) - #1
>>719870916Wasn't Rogue Support according to the always right leak?
>>719823470MommyRivals women are so hot its unreal
>>719871089https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/the-marvel-swimsuit-special-returns-friends-foes-rivals-july-2025This one?>Adam Hughes on the coverBloody damn yeah nigger. Now to look for a working torrent.
>>719869847yeahhttps://www.amazon.com/Art-Marvel-Rivals-NetEase-Games/dp/1506746578
>Let's all go to the beach and not tell ReedApparently the Thing is getting his second summer skin because this one was already planned but the Thong was added in the first wave because people loved it when it showed up in the comic.
I'm getting to horny for this game, y'all.
>>719873708Sue wouldn't do this
>>719876461This sue from earth 828, the one that managed to delete racism.
>>719876461Malice would.
>>719825783>loki eats shit, again>luna gets a slap on the wrist>see, we do nerf her!Fuck these guys, man.
Wanna start playing solely because I feel like the support characters look fun and I don't have to worry about the objective if I just focus on keeping teammates buffed. How viable is this thought process?
>>719871336>Rivals women are so hot its unrealTheir only competition is SB and TFD i guess
>>719866908>miscarriageHaha wow. I think im gonna stay away from comics.
>>719855035I think Ultron is pretty fun too, but he's practically DPS with passive heals.
>>719876795stop being antisemitic
>>719876718just pick rocket and spam M2. you will do very well as long as you have one braincell
>>719866908I thought she became Malice because Reed Richards used the coma gun on their son
>>719830369>>719835917>>719841416>>719856314>>719861804Built for big, huge necroplasm-filled cock
>>719861804>I want a girl. But I want her to be big and muscular. No, square jaw. Broader shoulders. No, not manly enough! She needs to be manlier! What!? No penis!? Of course she needs a fucking penis!The character you ordered is a man. You want a man. In every sense conceivable.
>>719868919I mean, that's kind the point of builder characters.
Bigger image
>>719882387>>719882334Love that Hela skin
>>719882387>releasing summer skins in september
>>719882805summer in the US lasts until like Sep 22nd
im getting punisher summer skin hes my number 1 character i play . hope sue is part of the pack most likely shes not . my first skin purchase except the orange venom one
>>719882387Are we ever getting a good Emma skin that has her default hairstyle or?
>>719882805You haven't noticed that September has been a summer month for years now?Climate change is pretty sweet.
>>719882419>that hela skinDoes this mean that the skins from Tokon, which is going to be released by Arc who also made Guilty Gear Strive, are also in rivals?
>>719841427Sex
>>719825871When will Hulk actually benefit from a teamup instead of just being a walking battery?
>>719883927>Does this mean that the skins from Tokon, which is going to be released by Arc who also made Guilty Gear Strive, are also in rivals?I wouldn't mind Gundam Iron Man as a skin
>>719882387I have no desire to get any of the accessories.
>>719885346I like the QS/Polaris oneThe White Fox one is alright too
>>719883838>You haven't noticed that September has been a summer month for years now?Summer has always technically ended in late September
>>719885396Yeah, but the temps didn't used to be in the high twenties.
>>719834328Why are you comparing her beam to Emma's? You actually have to aim the latter.
>>719870071I just throw matches now if my healers suck or my tanks keep jumping into unwinnable situations. I don't care if im reported or banned. Games free I'll make a new account if need be. I don't play rank unless I need my 10 matches for the season.
>>719847893Weird fantasy, anon, but you do you.
>>719856314Manlier than Thor.
>>719856314made for shotas
>>719824151Too bad he won't be viable this season thanks to Angela
>>719887802Big whale cock?
>>719848784>young men>healthcarelol, lmao even
>>719886798Not a fantasy at all, the diddy party with kanye stuff was confirmed at my trial and I have firsthand experience. Insisting im recounting a fantasy to you is pure denial but you do you.
>>719860419Hulk is the D. Va character, dumbshit.
>>719879421Your kind is the only one that thinks putting cocks on women is good.
>>719841427gross
>>719841427breed
>>719882387>accessoriesQuicksilver and Polaris tease for next season?
>>719891982Next Season is Gambit/Rogue, according to most leaksIt's probably just a fun reference for Magneto. I mean, they added MJ as an accessory for Peter, that doesn't mean they're adding her as Jackpot or as Nu-Venom
>>719868432Locus's datamine had him constructing walls and stuff with energy constructs. That was presumably very preliminary so who knows how it winds up whenever they get to him, if they still get to him.
>>719869847Just came out, it covers up to Season 1 I think.
>>719879421>square jaw.Her chin is rounded and pointed, like all the other women in the game. Why lie?
>>719882387That Hela looks great
lol, they are milking lunatroons
>>719894469of course they are, her creator works at Netease and makes a new outfit for her every half-season.funniest shit? we still don't have her actual superhero costume from the comics.
>>719894469ugly af! nobody is buying this trash unless it's from a pass
>>719894469shitting out the most hideous skins possible because they know the mongoloids will lap it up
>>719868913>supports in Rivals>more fun than OW'sLmao
>>719847038futa has been hijacked by troonsinstead of girls with dicks those are dudes with tits
>>719894628>we still don't have her actual superhero costume from the comics.Because it's shit
>>719895570Looks like what a gook feminist would demand for cape costume designs
>>719824780her dash still feels like shit so nah
>>719825583I don't understand why they keep nerfing captain america, he's nowhere near mag/emma/strange level
>>719894628>makes a new outfit for her every half-season.She took one of the longest to get a new costume after Season 0.
Haven't played the game since the thing came out, but considering considering coming back because daredevil is my favorite superhero of all time.Has the balance improved or is the game still support dominant?
>>719895896Because they listen to the players, something we always demand game companies do. Now you see how and why that's a bad idea.
The Season 4 opening letter
>>719894469These half-symbiote/half-Phoenix skins are so dogshit, and I'm a massive symbiote mark.
>>719882387>emma skin has a buttcape AGAINyes I am mad
>>719896682
>>719896729
>>719894469her beach skin is 10/10this is a 5/10 at best
>>719896778
>>719896785yeah I doubt they're gonna top the psy/luna beach skins
>>719895982>Has the balance improved or is the game still support dominant?Depends if you think picking heroes that can delete supports mid ult is somehow beneath you.
>>719896785Need this pose, but with Peni and Sue
PS4 specs & announcement pagehttps://www.marvelrivals.com/m/announcements/20250906/40955_1257991.html>Marvel Rivals Coming on PlayStation® 4 on Sep 12th! View Technical Specs Here2025/09/05>Hi Rivals,>Since the launch of Marvel Rivals, we have been truly inspired by the passion of players from all around the world, and we sincerely thank you for your support. Our goal has always been to spread fun through Marvel Rivals to as many players as possible. With that in mind, we’ve continued working to make the game available on more platforms — making it easier for everyone to join in the fun. >We're thrilled to announce that the universe of Marvel Rivals is expanding to PlayStation® 4, allowing even more players to join this epic multiversal showdown!>We understand that, as a previous-generation console, PlayStation® 4's hardware differs from newer systems. To ensure a smooth experience for PlayStation® 4 users, our technical team has devoted months of work to major optimizations in game logic, rendering pipeline, and memory management. These improvements aren't just for the PlayStation® 4, they also benefit PC and current-gen consoles.>Technical Specification:>Base PlayStation® 4: 1080p, 30 FPS>PlayStation® 4 Pro:1440p, 60 FPS>40GB Storage Size>*Some data still under verification; updates will be provided soon.>Performance optimization remains a core focus each season, and our technical team will continue working to deliver a smoother gameplay experience!>Stay tuned to our official socials as more exciting updates are on the way!>Ignite the Battle!>The Marvel Rivals universe is ever-evolving, and we have plenty more surprises and updates on the horizon in Season 4. Stay tuned to our official announcements for more!
>>719896682>>719896729>>719896778>>719896825
>>719896891I have it with Sue and Emma
>>719897015That's good too. I assume the artist was too cowardly to include Peni anywhere.
>>719896682>>719896729>>719896778>>719896825>we looked at these characters and thought "How can we make this as Chinese as possible?"
>>719896729I'm starting to think they put more thought into tying together character histories and motivations to the theme of the seasons than actual current Marvel writers do for their own yearly crossover events
>>719894469I did not like this season's outfit theme, but at least the summer mini-BPs are looking good.
>>719897109The setting was always going to be K'un-Lun this season. I think they do a decent job tying the characters to the location. They could just go "they're there because they're there".
>>719896682The four timelines
>>719897269I liked the dedicated symbiote skins, but the Phoenix skins were hit or miss and the combined symbiote/Phoenix ones were more miss than hit.
>>719896682I keep forgetting this game has lore.
>>719896682>>719897324Bullshit way of shoehorning in more Chinese nonsense
>>719897659>>719897109you've said the phrase "chink skins" repeatedly haven't you?
>>719897383it's actually pretty detailed and you can figure out future season settings and even characters from it pretty easilythey were indeed setting up this season all the way back in season 0's entriessame with season 1-3, and a future HYDRA focused one, one with the Collector and his museum, and one with the Savage Land, probably more I'm forgetting
>>719897659How is having four timelines "shoehorning in more Chinese nonsense"? That image is from back in Season 2.
>>719896968>These improvements aren't just for the PlayStation® 4, they also benefit PC and current-gen consoles.That'd be nice. My PS5 puts out a lot of heat playing MR and I only play at 1080p/60FPS. Doesn't seem like the game is demanding enough to be running the console so hot.
>>719897896>the Savage Land>Savage Land season skins
>>719898117>Sauron>skimpy caveman-style outfitsYes please thank you.
>>719897896>Savage LandNetEase! Add my boy and my life is yours!
>>719882387Will Hela ever stop winning?
>>719898435We haven't had a forest or jungle type map yet either. Krakoa was lush but we were in the village parts of it, a thick jungle map would be rad.
Punished Ultron looks good
>>719899134>A man denied his omnicide
>>719836742I like the tunic ones.
>>719899134>This WAS my unnatural selection....
>>719899656
>>719899134a man denied his robotic daughterfu
>>719896968>PS4lmao. they're getting desperate
