Why was MGS5 hyped up as>this is how Big Boss becomes... le demon!
>>719877681Because they had already teased it for three games where it didn't happen.
>>719877681what's with the horn
Lack of good open worlds in 2015
>>719877681it wasn't, Peace Walker was, MGSV was just them tying up loose ends plotwise
>Shot child soldiers in self defence>"Boss, you killed a hecking childerino, GAME OVER" Fantastic game design.
>>719877949You got a tranq gun nigga
>>719877681>"THE WORLD CALLS FOR WET WORK AND WE ANSWER. NO GREATER GOOD, NO JUST CAUSE">"NOOO BOSS DO NOT KILL THOSE NIGLETS EVEN THOUGH OUR CLIENT INSTRUCTED US TO KILL THEM!!"
>first time playing MGS>started with GZ and then played Valright so I'm supposed to be sneaky and not lethal, got it>play the first 5 missions without killing anyone>where do the bees sleep mission>skullguy cutscene>"you became a demon"what?
>>719877681Venom is a better person then big boss who becomes victim to his bullshit.
>>719877681How did nobody notice big boss sometimes has a horn and prosthetic arm, and sometimes he doesn't?
>>719877681It's even more jarring given the events thst actually happen in the game. Like, sure, MSF/Diamond Dogs were building a private army that had the potential to be powerful enough to rival sovereign nations, but at the same time they were doing stuff like rescuing child soldiers. It's even more jarring if you play nonlethally>"I'm already a demon">saves child soldiers>builds no nukes>tranquilizes and knocks out everyone>"Happy Birthday, Boss!! :)"
this was the most hyped game on /v/
>>719877949like >>719878001 said, you got a tranq gun but if you somehow managed to waste all your ammo, use your fists
>>719877813end they ended up creating even more loose ends
>>719877681thats what was portrayed in the trailers, little did we know Kojima had a twist..... it turns out you, the player were the big boss all along....... wow..........................................................
Peace Walker was the true end to MGS,>She abandoned me Kaz. Fuck this shit. Assemble the menBut Kojimbo wanted to tell a "big boss was good all along" story, despite it not being the case for 8 fucking games.
>>719877802he's a demon. Just Kojima things. He loves these retarded allegories.
>>719878839no, but reallywhat's with the horn
>>719877681Because Kojima made all the trailers seem that way and then you learn that every cutscene was shown in the trailers
>>719878879Shrapnel from the intro that they couldn't really remove so they slapped a metal cap over it.
>>719877949Did anyone make a mod that removes the insta fail condition from killing the child soldiers?
>>719878958lol
>>719877681>Phantom Pain trailer: "In Outer Heaven, men become demons for revenge">*5 minutes into the actual game*>"Kaz, let's get one thing straight. This isn't about revenge. We're fighting for the future."
>>719877681Have you seen what happened to those kids? They threw a hissy fit and Big Boss had to lay down the law
>>719878958wait, I thought the horn itself was metal no?
>>719877681>Bothering with this series after the steaming pile of dogshit that was 4You have only yourself to blame.
>>719880013gee anon it's almost like they got worse as time went on or something
>>719877802shrapnel. it's not really big boss anyway
>>719877681he shot a bunch of dudes
MGS4 and 5 didn't make sense and are the worst games overall.
>>719879030Yes. Im not sure if it still exists or works on the latest version of the game but killable child soldiers was a thing but it gave you a +50K demon point penalty or whatever the fuck that gay mechanic was
>>719880013it's almost like the road to hell is paved with good intentions or whatever the saying is
>>719881275it's ok, I'll just kidnap some endangered animals to make up for it
>>719878816Ground zero was ok. The idea the whole place you build up in peace walker gets bombed to shit and he has to start over is a good motion to move into the original game.phantom pain is just nonsense that doesn't really add anything.
>>719881112they didnt really though. there is no development. they just shit "the develoment" on your plate and say "et voila, now care"
the game shown in the traliers were better for the game than the actual game.
>>719880976
>>719880013I bet Kojima would have let us kill the child soldiers and had follow-up interactions after the "you killed a kid" line but Konami cucked us all
>>7198800135 minutes in you'll be slowly crawling through the hospital. And that's only for the first time. What a fucking piece of shit V is.
>>719877752It did happen. You're not doing good. The online mode is built around nuclear deterrence.
>>719877752literally happened in MGS3 and Peace Walker was the final nail in his decision
>>719877813>Pisswalker fans being delusional>implying tied up loose endsLOL
>>719881112Did they? They saved the english speaking world from skull face. That doesn't seem so bad.
>>719883340>bad guy beats worse guyok?
what about zanzibarland? whatever happened there?
>>719883456A big pizza party that Snake ruined
Peace Walker is the canon, not MGSV.
I am about to finish my playthrough I dropped a long ass time ago. left it right before skull face mission . how much left is there for the main story
>>719877813>Peace Walker, the game where Big Boss saves the world from a nuclear holocaust and has optional conversations about how he still believes in Santa Claus, truly shows his descent into villainyOk anon.
>>719883741that's the last bit of the "main" story but there's still plenty of other stuff after that which continues the plots of certain characters
>>719884071really the mission list shows like 20 more missions to go,
>>719881112>>719881391How did they get worse? They didn't in the game at least, and after it Venom just stayed the bitch of the guy who ruined his life and died for him.
>>719878816Nooo you retard. The whole point of 5 is that Big Boss used Venom as bait to hide from zero while incorporating his legacy fraudulently. Venom did nothing wrong but he still has to pay for the sins of Big Boss. Thats the villainy. Venom is a scapegoat.
as a faggot who has played 1-4 but skipped 5 cus it looked like awful open world shitcan anons tell me how venom snake was made? i know he was hypnotized into thinking he's big boss or some shit but is he another clone like liquid and solid?
>most evil shit you really see is them torturing Huey (who is a piece of shit) and Kaz being mean to Quiet (who outright tried to kill you in the intro and then upon meeting her again, only saving Venom because she would have died as well)We really were demons...>>719878134Yeah I never get how that works. Those are two pretty distinguishing features that differentiate Venom and Naked.
>>719884138like half of those are just more difficult versions of missions you've already completed, and the other half are to do with the post-main story plots of other charactersit's still definitely 100% worth it to see what happens but you are at the climax of what happens with the "main" story
>>719884396he's basically a mental clone, like what Ocelot did to give himself Liquid's personality in 4
>>719884425wow really okay thanks for the info starting the skull face mission now
The entire game was about boss's descent into evil. It was made to explain how he survived the first metal gear.
>>719884491yeah but why does he physically look like him?
>>719884396He's a medic from MSF, Big Boss' PMC in Peace Walker, and his best soldier. Basically when the bomb goes off in Paz, the medic took the brunt of the explosion for Big Boss, they were both in long comas and they used plastic surgery, hypnosis and shit to make the medic think he was big boss while the real one goes into hiding for a while. It's to explain how Big Boss has this legendary status and how you killed him in both Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2, it was two guys.I guess the medic was a really close second to Big Boss himself if he was so good he could share the title with him.
It's been years since I played MGS4, but the part where big boss is at the grave site with Ocelot, whose grave were they visiting? Was that Solid Snake? God I need to replay it I don't remember shit from 4.
>>719877681Because it’s a failure in every way except the game loop
>>719884663Oh okay, so the excuse for looking like him is just plastic surgery, kinda lame. Why was he named Venom Snake then?Thanks for explaining.
>>719884425I wish there was more of the subsistence type missions or whatever they were called. The ones were you go in with nothing but your fatigues.
>>719884606surgeryyes, even if you made a black guy at the start
>>719877813>MGSV was just them tying up loose ends plotwiseBy not doing that at all and by creating even more?
the trailers nigga
The unfinished secret ending of the third chapter has Venom Snake leave Eli with a handgun and a single bullet to kill himself with (or get burned to death by an imminent napalm strike).
>>719877681Because thats what it was up until Kojima realized he was still missing like 60% of the game
>>719884779Can't believe Michael Jackson copied Venom...
>>719884757Ocelot says something like when he woke up his eye was full of venom.They barely call him that anyway, it's usually just Big Boss since nobody realises until the end (Ocelot knew but was hypnotised yo forget iirc)Makes for a really funny moment when Skull Face gives his whole speech unknowingly to the wrong guy.
Still think about how that cutscene where snake screams in the burned village covered in blood is just straight up not in the game
>>719877802it's a piece of a helicopter. also there's a nuke in Paz's vaginaoh Kojima...
>>719878816>>719884597I feel if anything, five whitewashes Zero more then Boss. Especially since Boss who was a bitch about the clones of him then makes a body double of a man who was loyal to him for his own machinations in a far more unethical way.
>>719885042him literally carrying bits and pieces of his comrades inside him was kinda metal
>>719884994that and that 5 second shot of him looking out of the helicopter>unfinished masterpieceYES GOD DAMN IT
>>719877752Did you play peacewalker? He creates his own military force and builds a metal gear
>>719885042Don't they also imply Paz fucked Chico while they were in captivity?I remember there's cut content that Chico was meant to come back with a fucked up mouth and looking like a serial killer.
>>719885073>Especially since Boss who was a bitch about the clones of him then makes a body double of a man who was loyal to him for his own machinations in a far more unethical wayThat was Zero
>>719885262Why is Grey Fox just there in the middle
>>719885296My mistake, I just remember Boss was pretty chill about it. Been so long since I played I assumed he was part of the planning of it.
>>719884782i didn't say they were good at it
>>719885262>Don't they also imply Paz fucked Chico while they were in captivity?Fuck Kojima. Paz was for Big Boss (You)
>>719885262Not just that, it's implied that Chico raped Paz repeatedly
>BB has the same "be a morally gray hero who saves the world, has a big revelation, "I'm going to become evil now!", roll credits" story arc for 2 (three) games>finally becomes evil mostly off screen >can't even be the mastermind behind the evil plan, he just goes along with it>meanwhile we play as a Faker who goes through the same exact character arc all over again>the one moment he actually tries to be evil is shot down by Kaz immediatelyI didn't rike it
>>719885327That's meant to be Chico when you recruit him, covering the fucked up part of his face.
MGS4 was the send-off we deserved
>>719885437>it's implied that Chico raped Paz repeatedly No it fucking isn't
>>719885262It's fucking weird how they just gloss over Chico is dead in one audio tape. It's only in relation to mentioning what happened to Amanda after.Also the french bitch from peace walker just fucked off and nobody ever heard about her again.
>>719885515that fight was 15/10
Liquid was the best snake and villain. The series never got another kino char like Liquid again. His voice actor was also god tier.
>>719885515>people complain about it being too cheesy>then they ask why games don't have soul anymorepick one, faggots
>Kazuhira "Fulton A Coon, I'll Shoot The Balloon" MillerJesus Christ, Kojima
>>719885681>Also the french bitch from peace walker just fucked off and nobody ever heard about her again.Strangelove? Huey killed her
>>719885437I assumed it was Skull Face doing the raping (or something XOF guys) in front of Chico and Paz just one time fucked Chico willingly in the cell who's like 13 and she's in her early or mid 20's.
>>719884757hes called Venom Snake because V is the roman numeral for 5 and because revenge is a venom that kills both the perpetrator and the victim
>>719885797No he means Cecile who existed in PW for Kojima to jerk off to French culture and French women
>Kazuhira "CQC the POC" Miller
>>719885797No, this bitch.
>>719877802It's a piece of Paz vagina stuck in his head.
>>719885928I only remember her for that one tape where she slurs out MONSIEUR MILLLLLLLLLER or has an autistic french meltdown over Macarons.
>Niggas acting like Paz actually died
Kazuhira "Idolmaster" Miller.
>Goes into hiding to the point that absolutely no one, not even people working for him, knows where he's located at all unless he directly goes to them>Doesn't question at all how Skull Face managed to send him a gift while also managing to prick himself on a pinWas Zero stupid?
>>719885928that one is based off a real person
The Big Boss era characters are better than the original crew. That's why Solid was abandoned
>>719877949Have you considered that you are trash at the game and that there’s a handful of ways to stop the child soldiers without killing them? I get that the choices might be too scawwy or that you’re too autistic to do any of the other methods besides “shoot gun” though.
>>719886206>Was Zero stupid?He was a dumb weeb that ruined Big Boss' by mixing them with some Jap
Kino.
>>719878206This is the kind of reason we need a Definitive Edition. There was cut content and lots of stuff that was not even implemented from the notes/artbooks. Things should vary how you play on the lower level. If you execute a lot of people, fail (or not do) many of the side missions even after you gain the ability to do them//go back for them later etc.. that's one thing, nothing but lowest scores, loud and murdery etc. However, if you try to sneak, knock out when you can, stealth, do side missions etc. that should be different. Not to mention even in the version we did get the "best ending" if you can call it that took the herculean task of >EVERYONE ON THE FUCKING PLATFORM DENUCLEARIZATION Each player had to accept greater risk of their own FOB invasion and not build/scrap their nukes, in order to get a better overall world. That's the kind of shit that feeels like a Kojima message in the game, but so few ever saw it.
>>719881275>+50K demon point penalty or whatever the fuck that gay mechanic wasit was a pretty cool mechanic actually. You could just kill everyone if you wanted to, but there are consequences for playing the game like it's COD or something. Snake can whipe ass but he prefers to be sneaky
Where the fuck are the mods with new missions and locations? This fanbase sucks>Why don't you..I'm busy masturbating to gachas
>>719877681Huh? It was already heavily theorized before the game released that the medic on the helicopter was the Big Boss you play in Phantom Pain.
>>719877681You played the game? Big boss is gone for good the moment Ground zeroes ends. Everything after is for revenge.
>>719886330I've never really messed with the FOB feature. How does building a nuke help your FOB?
>>719880013You didn’t beat the game, listen to the tapes, or absorb any of the cutscenes/dialogue.
>Still no Gas Snake
>>719877949>can't neutralize child soldiers without killing themYou're supposed to be the most capable soldier in the history of mankind.
>>719886459Its been a long time since I played (i really need to get back and finish it) but as I recall, a nuke was expensive but it basically meant that your FOB couldn't be plundered by other players (or NPCs?) on their missions. You didn't have to go defend it anymore from players(maybe NPC?)
>>719886459makes bitches think twice before messing with u
>>719884008They can easily give passes to other Kojima retardation in other games but they refuse to use any critical thought as to what was evil about venom snake being created/existing etc.
>>719886327Shining lights, even in death is such a cool fucking mission.
>>719885928>never to be heard from again
>>719886639She's doing missions with Big Boss
>>719886489Just give snake a ration then put on thermal goggles and you’ll see him
>>719886639That was my point, you get a tape that's just about what happened to the Peace Walker cast between games and all she gets is>Yeah she went back to Europe or something idk
>>719886489>>719886717Rare example of Kojima restraining himself because Gas Snake would be that kind of shit all the time
>>719886621Truly, an invisible moment
>Le demon, huh?
speaking of, what happened to Chico's smoking hot sister
>>719886392I think OP's point is more that Venom doesn't really do anything particularly bad in game to begin with. The worst is some torture with Quiet and Huey, and Huey was a piece of shit Kaz was completely right about.
>>719877949You are meant to be playing as the greatest living soldier, if you are:1) being detected by the children AT ALL2) lethally taking these children down because you are so shit at stealth that they caught you and you panickedthen YOU are the one who fucked up. The greatest living soldier and infiltrator should be able to sneak past some kids or knock them out, if you are pulling an AK on them then it means you are literally playing the game wrong, you are playing it like some random faggot jarhead grunt in a call of duty game or some shit.tl;dr you are shit at the game, be better
so are Huey and Otocan the same person or what? How old is he?
>>719886745>>719886639There was a UN inspection so they sent all civilians back home except for Huey
>>719886996are you retarded
>>719886851Became a hero in Nicaragua, helped strangelove recover some parts from Peace Walker like the mammal pod, sad her brother is dead.That's about all you get about her.
>>719886996No nigga, Huey is his dad.He kills himself years later because Otocon fucked his stepmom and Huey tried to drown his stepdaughter with him.
>>719886996These are the people who refuse to understand or give any goodwill to mgsv’s story. Just retards.
>Girl in underwear steals your secret nuclear weapon >You fight her while jpop music (written by the master miller) blairs in the backgroundMetal Gear peaked here. I hope Peace Walker is remade next. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOaSh1-d9gc
>>719887026Talking about after that. You get a little on Amanda, Huey and Strangelove are relevant to Phantom Pain, but the frenchie just vanished and nobody knows what happened to her after.
>>719887167>Huey tried to drown his stepdaughter with him.BASED
>>719887167>Huey tried to drown his stepdaughter with himimagine being this much of a fuck-up
>>719887167That plot point was always so fucking bizarre to me. Hal fucked his stepmom and his stepsister also was lusting after his dick. Then he somehow fucks up her dying wish.>Hal, please call me Emma for once in your fucking life, I'm dying in your arms.>"What's wrong with E.E?">*Dies*>"E-Emma?"
>>719887207https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsL3uncWrkA>>719887232She was sent back to france
>>719887292It would have been based if he drowned his cheating whore wife, how is that based?
Huey and Otacon look the same. Why is one a Chad while the other a loser?
>>719877807and mgs V is clearly the worst one
ZEKE actually was the best boss fight. The more you upgraded it the harder the boss fight became
>>719885816what the fuck is all this Paz rape head cannon? She had a vagina bomb, that's it
>>719886241>Have you considered that you are trash at the game and that there’s a handful of ways to stop the child soldiers without killing them? I get that the choices might be too scawwy or that you’re too autistic to do any of the other methods besides “shoot gun” though.
>>719887495it's ok, you probably feel that way about it because it stands out compared to the game's other bossfights which are fucking abysmal
>His Stepmom>His stepsister>Sniper Wolf>Naomi>Confirmed pulling bitches in Rising if you talk to SunnyHow does this nerd have so much game?
>>719887574bro your tapes?
>>719887358Is that a penis gun on the robot. Lmao
>>719887574Kojima was in a weird space with Ground Zeroes since she apparently had sex with a underage boy who was barely a teen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0Uyy-r9_8g
>>719887758tbf Skully was holding a gun to his head or some shit
>>719887675Though hes a nerd hes not actually scrawny and a loser, of course hes no Snake to kill everyone, but Otacon is actually smart as hell, carries himself really well, and also keeps himself well groomed. He is capable
>>719887883Nah that's in the middle of the tape, Skull Face apparently forces him. Then Paz fucks him willingly after.
>>719887675hes rapeableall of that was rape
>>719887675Did him and Sniper Wolf even do anything? vaguely recall it coming across more like a one sided crush.
>>719887675Kojima self insert
>>719887883>Paz: Chico. Chico?>Chico: ... Thought you didn't want to talk to me.>Paz: There's... one thing I want to say.>Chico: What...?>Paz: I missed you, Chico.>Chico: ...Yeah.>Paz: Come here.>Chico: Huh?>Paz: Closer.>Chico: ...No.>Paz: ...Sorry.>Chico: Enough already.>Paz: You want to do it here?
>>719883029stfu zoomienigroid >>719886241stfu zoomienigroid>>719886970stfu zoomienigroid>>719881112stfu zoomienigroid>>719882829stfu zoomienigroid
>>719888685based
>>719887574Listen to the Chico tape 4. There's a bit where Skullface rips off her clothes, skips forward shortly after to music playing, and when the music stops. The sounds come across more like Paz gasping but not in pain, and someone thrusting over hitting her. Followed by Skull Face telling someone to move and it stops, then asking Chico if he "likes what he sees" and it's "time for a taste test" telling Chico to "take her now. Or I string you both up."I don't think they ever outright say Paz was raped but it's pretty heavily implied. Then >>719888528 plays later in that tape.
>>719888685The mass reply of calm.
>>719889328>Chico's only experience was a blown out roastie with sloppy seconds
>>719889632>>719889328>chico had to share his first time with a plastic explosive
>>719889770War has changed.
ah i see now why the threads with the pics of them in the jeep. this is dumb
>>719887675Being around batshit insane people all the time makes you see things in a different way.But it's funnier when you deconstruct him and his lineage>>His stepmomWhich lead to his dad killing himself and almost drowning his stepsister>>His stepsisterNever did anything to her and they were mostly separated after the afromentioned incident>>Sniper WolfI doubt she even had an idea of who the fuck Otacon was. She was pining for her prey.>>NaomiWhich then cucks him with a gay vampire>>RisingJohnny taught him dance moves
>>719886459It makes it so that only players with enough Heroism can invade your FOB.I believe it also gives you a warning as soon as an invader touches your platform instead of only after they've killed a soldier or destroyed equipment.
what was Kojima smoking that made him write the part where >And then Paz gets raped while Chico has to watch, then he's forced to have sex with her, then later in their cell Paz forces herself on Chico
I'm not ashamed to admit mgs5 was my first and only mgs and I had no idea what was going on. When I was suddenly playing repeat missions I was rather disappointed. But the game was at least fun to play.
>>719890613Japanese designer drugs
>>719890613Uhuhhhmmcuz her pussy is DA BOMB
>>719890613when you understandyou will be ashamed of your words and deeds..
>>719890613Japanese people write rape scenarios all the time
>>719877949>"Boss, you killed a hecking childerinohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKjxqsYhQAQ
did anyone else play the game for 10+ hours the day it came out. I remember talking to like 3 different people that did the samething I did.I also remember eatting a pizza out of the box that was sitting in my lap while still playing the game.Worst mainline Metal Gear
>>719888685We all accept your concession. Better luck next thread.
>>719887589Seems like you might be a bit more upset than me. That retard doesn’t know how to play the game. Unless it’s you. Then you’re just a retard who doesn’t know how to play the game. Also concession accepted.
>>719878206Yeah, it's almost as if the game was about Big Boss becoming a villain, but it turns out we don't play as Big Boss and the real Big Boss was out there being a treacherous back stabbing piece of shit. One could even say he was a villain.
>>719877752>where it didn't happen.MGS3's ending pretty thoroughly implies it.PW involves him building a PMC, having his ideals poisoned, and constructing his own Metal Gear, and it even ends on him declaring MSF as their "outer heaven".And MGSV shows that he's the bad guy. But taking a medic and mindbreaking him into a crippled, PTSD ridden mass murderer.
>>719877681It's partly a Kojima ruse, but it actually did do this. It shows Big Boss doing to Venom what the US did to the Boss, using up and throwing away a soldier as a tool. The worst, most hypocritical crime he personally can commit. People have wanted a game were you get to be edgy supervillain Biog Boss who kills children and burns African Villages for a while now and Kojima doesn't want to give them that. Instead he makes you play as one of Big Boss's victims.
>>719893075That’s a little too meta and abstract for me anon. I’m just gonna screech like a monkey about how I was lied to. Just letting you know I DO breath exclusively through my mouth and my knuckles are smooth polished from dragging them on the ground.
>>719893096I’m learning from these threads that these retards who (rightfully) shit on the unfinished MGSV are simultaneously correct to criticize it but are also too retarded to do it properly. They also seem to have not played the other games. Feels like video essay fans going on a tizzy.
>>719877949At least MG2 lets you punch children to death
>>719893096Venom doesn't really do that much that's bad though in Phantom Pain.
People liked portable ops so much that they decided to remake it 2 more times with increasingly retarded stories.
>>719877681Peace Walker ended on "we will become demons"
>>719877681because Kojimbo had a good track record and Piece Of Shit Walker was astroturfed to oblivion by journalists and shill
I never played Peace Walker because I didn't have a psp. Is it worth playing?
>>719878206>There was cut content and lots of stuff that was not even implemented from the notes/artbooks.People hype this up and it's barely anything.It boils down to>Some stuff with Chico that seems to have entirely been optional side ops based on what we know (like the missing MSF soldiers)>the Episode 51 DLC>whatever "Return to Camp Omega" means (and it could literally mean anything, including its usage in MGO3)That's about it.
>>719886498Not really no. you are just some brainwashed no name medic kek
>>719893357>>719893181Anon, I….
>>719877681I didn't really get this scene.>Kaz just walks up behind one of the kids and grabs him, both falling to the ground for some reason>Venom says the kids a natural and seems to be encouraging of them being soldiers until Kaz easily disarms the kid>Then they talk about giving the kids lessons and shit so they don't become child soldiers, Venom seemingly approving of them getting a chance at a normal life
>>719893448Not if you like MGS. If you enjoy shit games and hate kojima then yes
>>719893181True, it's basically just playing a victim. Venom himself isn't that bad considering (at least during phantom pain since he became enough of a Big Boss simp to die for him in MG1) There's also Boss hating the les enfants terrible shit yet he mindbroke one of his best, most loyal soldiers for his own personal gain, effectively erasing the man they were to be a body double.
>>719877807You sure about that? Some of the best open world games ever made came out around 2014-2015.>Batman Arkham Knight>The Witcher 3>Assassin's Creed Unity>Dying Light>Fallout 4>Mad Max (this literally released the same day as MGSV actually)
What's his name again?
>>719877681The theme is very clear. War turns men into demons.Venom carries the guilt of every thing that went wrong from MGS3 to MGSV. Kaz became a hollow angry shell of himself. Skullface became a faceless monster willing to torture and experiment on children to achieve his goal.Volgin refuses to die becoming a being of pure fire and rage. When his revenge becomes pointless he burns out and dies.Hell even one of your old soldiers (Mosquito) forms his own PMC and attacks you to get revenge because he blames you for the fall of motherbase. Paz is the angel of the unachievable ideal of peace. Venom genuinely being a good and caring person that saves children, animals and the world just adds to the tragedy. In the end Diamond Dogs are forced to become just another cog in the war machine.
>>719894106WHOOOO
>>719885515That game sucked ass
>>719878043>I'm supposed to be sneaky and not lethalWhy would they give you 10x the lethal guns if you're supposed to be not lethal? You're not supposed to, the playbase are just gay.
>War ethics according to a leftist closeted homosexual japanese man
>>719894178Venom isn't even the Snake responsible for everything. It's dumb that it all got dumped on his shoulders. Big Boss sucks. Also, fuck Kaz. He's a shit character and a terrible person to begin with.
>>719894106I-i-...dont have words..
>>719894106Dick TracyThe SpiritGreen Hornet
Well, were you ashamed /v/?
>>719894980yes, she's not only hideous but the tryhard attempts at being sexy are beyond embarrassing
>>719894980No. But I never jerked it to her to begin with. Cosplayers in that outfit are hotter.
>>719878134I think the horn at least was only metaphorical and only the player sees it. Venom doesn't really have a horn. It's just for gameplay to show how you become da devil if you act to evil. The arm is easy to cover up.
>>719894980I'm ashamed of her fridge-like physique and constant parading of it within the ACC. Her shoulders are literally wider than her hips. How do you fuck up this bad?
>>719878050Venom made nukes. People are retarded and fall for the “oh he look sad” demeanor
>>719894980Should have been a cute negress with a fat ass and tits you get in Africa
>>7198949802 times and no I'm notI jerked off more to tranqing women and watching them sleep
>>719895454For sure it's symbolism, especially when it sticks out more and more. But it's pretty noticeable the shrapnel buried in his head.
>>719895454The horn is real but the growth is a hallucination. Enemy soldiers comment on Big Boss coming back as a demon. With enough demon points your own soldiers become scared of you but say that it just means Venom really cares about avenging his comrades.
>>719893236>>719893075Except Big Boss was semi forced into it and never betrayed venom.
>>719877752This and I'm sick of people saying they did
>>719894980All I ever remember about Quiet is>Her doing shit like this in the ACC >That time a Russian soldier nearly raped her and she kicks a dude so hard in the dick his groin is covered in blood>She could speak only one language since she talks to the old wheelchair guy in Navajo but she never tells anyone this
>>719889770best post in this thread currently
>>719895892It did happen though, you just don't like way it was done. Which is fair, it was kinda shit.
>>719888528No fucking way this happened
>>719894980The helicopter scene was so hot I used to leave it on the menu and jerk off
What did he mean by this
They should've put the DD sneaking suit in Delta
>>719896168>the penis spine suitno thanks
>>719896168There should have been more MGSV nods in general other than Volgins transformation and theme from V.
>>719896071https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfqgmsiV2fYIt's near the end of the tape, but it's the one in general that makes it clear Paz got raped, then Skull Face forced Chico to fuck her, then later in their cell she says all that.
>>719896071It did, I remember there was a ton of blowback because of Paz having sex with Chico willingly after he was forced on her Looking back that shit was so weird. It didn't really add to anything and Skullface is such a goofy villain in TPP so it's huge tonal whiplash>Ground Zeroes "I will force all of my men to rape you over and over before making this little kid fuck you. Then I'll implant two bombs into you, one in your stomach and one in your womb. I will burn this world to the ground.">Phantom Pain "EL ZORRO IS HERE! MY METAL GEAR WILL MAKE MAJOR ZERO FINALLY LIKE ME, SUGOIIIIII~"
>>719877802He's horny. The more time you spend staring at Quiet the bigger it gets.
>>719877949>Shooting children>Not using their bodies as weapons
>>719896373I remember thinking Skullface was going to be terrifying after GZ. Boy that didn't happen.
>>719894106Sneed Chuckman
>>719896335>>719896373>Chico had to smash this
>>719885515MGS4 was the literal definition of a hate letter to the fans.
>>719896520At least he didn't die a virgin I guess
>Dude without hand>Dude without hand, have prostetic instead>Dude who will lose hand and implant organic hand later
>>719885515Still the best final boss fight in any Vidya
>>719896373Devils House says otherwise. Probably the most fucked up location in the entire series.
>Skullface's men, Chico, and C-4 all had to share sloppy seconds>Meanwhile the real Big Boss got in there first and tore that hymen upThat's our boss!
>>719884994yes it is, that's the animation that plays during the plague outbreak and the village is from a different level they just combined them for the trailer
why did shota psycho mantis need to have his toes out like that
The problem I have with skull face is he knows Venom isn't BB, so he lets him go multiple times and doesn't really care about him. It makes sense story wise but on a first playthrough you're just seeing this evil villain from GZ turn into a retarded Saturday morning cartoon guy. It doesn't work. Skull Face shouldn't have found out Venom wasn't BB until the very end
>>719877681Because Kojima is a hack who has to use false advertising
>>719896335>Tells Chico she misses him>Tells him to come closer>Kisses him>"You want to do it here?"What a slut!
>>719896828He doesn't know, nothing implies that he does.
>>719884994Insane to think about. That was THE fucking money shot of the trailer and got everyone insanely hypedJust not even in the game
>>719885453>goes evil offscreensorry did you skip peace walker where you start recruiting child soldiers
>>719896828He knows that the whole time?
>>719884994which trailer was that
>>719896914He knows, he calls him Big Boss sarcastically
>>719877681Venom's model looks off
>>719896914>>719896952>>719896828I don't think he knows throughout the game but near the end I think he realizes it
Make MGS6 about the medic desu if hes the soldier closest to big boss in skill we should know about his past
>>719896329Did they ever have skullface hiding in the bushes following you?
>>719885924Kekked
It's weird going back to Ground Zero were Skull Face feels more of a threat and Boss talks more then Venom does for most of his game.
>>719897304Ground Zeroes is the best game Kojima ever made.
>>719897210Huge missed opportunity to not have it where if you kill a bunch of soldiers in Delta then go up a few areas and come back, they're all gone and Snake questions where they went and Tom just says "must've been clean up"
>>719897304Big Boss had a lot of charisma and talked way more compared to Venom. It cant be because Kiefer was too expensive
>>719893448yeah it's great, bite sized MGS3 type levels and the characters are great
>>719897186His past is that he's you anon. The medic is a self insert for you. It's why they have that bit where Big Boss says "I'm big boss and so are you". It's meant to be both you and Venom he's talking to.
>>719897380Does Delta even have any actually new shit beyond them getting platinum to do their own spin on the guy savage dream? I swear I heard they had the cast do new lines but I've not seen anything new.
she shurfive?
>>719896914>>719896952Yeah my bad I'm looking back and don't see anything in the cutscenes>My own memories are having a phantom Pain
>>719893096And not just any Medic, but Snake's (hypothetical) top guy.
>>719897024https://youtu.be/Krc1t4HU8GIArguably one of the best game trailers of all time and then you actually play the game and most of these scenes are nothingburgers or straight up not in the game.
What was your favorite MGSV theory?For me it'll always be pic related>I am a woman so I cannot rape>I do not speak so I cannot betray my friends
>>719896520Did he? I thought Chico pussied out and Skull Face NTRd him right in his face.
>>719897410It's because Venom is the self insert for the player to project themselves onto, so he doesn't talk much for players to do that easier.
>>719897410GZ Kiefer was garbage and it's where all the drunk memes come from. He actually acts in TPP.
>>719897670I wouldn't be surprised if that was Kojima's intention but the corpo suits cock blocked him.
>>719897771>acting
>>719897810His best lines are all in TPPNothing half as memorable or good in GZ
Why the fuck wasn't Amanda a villain in V?>Trusts Big Boss with her little brother Chico >Leaves>Hears through the grapevine that Chico was killed and so was Big Boss>Loses her shit and becomes a relentless mercenary >9 years later she hears that Big Boss actually survived and is rebuilding mother base>Also hears how he's in Afghanistan/Africa>Amanda travels over there to kill him Fuck she should've been Quiet now that I think about it
>>719897718https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGRv8Zu1fU8
>>719897918Basedhttps://youtu.be/Hils93Df6yw
Why did they put an audio jack into Chico's chest?
>>719897941She was weirdly nonchalant about her brother dying
>>719897380That's actually a brilliant retcon to explain why bodies vanished due to system limitations. >>719897549They bought back Otacon and thick accent Mei Ling (Weird given Twin Snakes and IV made accentless Mei Ling canon) for an Xbox exclusive mode.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7-s-hR-OCAI'm sure when someone rips all the sound files they'll find out what's new. It was crazy how they recorded almost an hour of new radio calls specifically for the 3DS versionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbeWdYBCd5w
>>719897941kojima rushed the story and didnt give a fuck
https://youtu.be/RhseWPWYPBAI still think this is the best video game trailer of all time God I was so hyped for Phantom Pain
>>719897941Because it wanted to be its own thing and not just reheated Peace Walker leftovers
>>719898254I love Mei Ling's accent
>>719898395If your game is billed as the missing link in the saga and the thing that's going to bring it all together I would certainly hope it addresses past games rather than try to "be its own thing"
>>719897941After listening to Chico's call for help she has Kaz pass on a message to Boss that she's "prepared for the worst". I don't think she's blame Boss for what happened to Chico. Probably because the dumbass tried to break into a black site solo at fucking 13.
>"In his eyes the greatest symbiotic parasite the worlds ever known isn't microbial - it's linguistic. Words are what keep civilization, our world - alive. Free the world, Not by taking mens lives. But by taking their tongues.">"With this i'll rid the world of infestation. Sans Lingua Franca - The world will be torn asunder, And then it shall be free."GOD THAT'S SUCH A FUCKING AMAZING THEME TO HAVE FOR A STORY IT COULD'VE BEEN A MASTERPIECE, DAMN IT
>>719884663>It's to explain how Big Boss has this legendary status and how you killed him in both Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2, it was two guys.That's not the primary purpose of it. Kojima just recognized it as a convenient way to keep Venom self-contained.
>>719898353I think directing trailers is Kojima's favourite parts of making games
>>719898507It does address them at every point. MGS3, Peace Walker and MG1/MGS1 are all addressed more than enough.
>>719898657He might for real be the best trailer director of all time.
>>719894980I used to be ashamed of jerking off to her getting destroyed by a horse, not anymore though
>>719877681>game is advertised as "a man becomes a demon>Snake doesnt do anything remotely evil the whole gamewhat?
https://youtu.be/A9JV0EvCkMI
>>719877681I'm really fucking confused as to whose ideals were actually closer to the Boss' will. Major Zero or Big Boss?
>trailers tease a tense moment where Big Boss looks like he's killing a bunch of children >"Holy SHIT, what the fuck happens in this game to drive him to become so evil!??">Play game>Big Boss is just shooting a lock dramatically to free the kids>Also you can't let anything bad happen to the kids or else game over >Also you can't do anything bad to any of the child soldiers in game beyond knocking them out non lethally>"I may a demon, but at least I'm not a monster kaz!"
I really hate these millennials stuck in the past repeating the same stale talking points about the game while having nothing insightful or interesting to say. They spend thousands of hours lamenting the game on online forums spreading misinformation but completely lack the self-awareness to interpret the story at all.It's all just >durr remember the trailer guise?>remember the theory? >remember GZ?>remember what I was doing when MGSV released? >remember le disappointment Like who cares at this point. Move the fuck on.
>>719898809Zero. They both wanted world peace and a globohomo government. She believed Soldiers should be endlessly loyal tools. BIg Boss's is more like the opposite of what she wanted.
>>719898953Still better than the fags who cling to the reddit frog and reddit man.
>>719893372PO is still more retarded than PW and MGSV.
>>719898940Now you know what people who played MGS2 during its release felt like.
>>719898809NeitherThe Boss wanted the world to be united in peace, where everyone respects each other's beliefs Major Zero saw that as "DERP I'LL CONTROL THE ENTIRE WORLD FROM THE INSIDE AND BUILD SOME AI TO CONTROL THE PEOPLE'S WILL!"Big Boss saw that as "DERP I'LL CREATE A NICE BIG COMFY HOME FOR SOLDIERS SO THEY HAVE A PEACEFUL PLACE TO RETURN TO AFTER MURDERING PEOPLE FOR OUR CLIENTS!"
>>719895998But we never see him doing anything that would make the world fear him.
>>719899074Wasn't PO non-canon to the MGS timeline? I remember seeing an interview where Kojima was pretty vague about the canonicity of PO.
>>719898534fr fr
>>719898953>I hate thing so much I'm gonna come into the thread to specifically express how much I hate it to people who like itGo away attention whore
>>719899103Actual real woman moment. Both of their ideas would have worked better but since they were at odds they both collapsed.
>>719899138You miss the part where he had his own nukes
>>719899168It was (MGS4 even references it) but PW goes out of its way to contradict critical parts of the story and PO hasn't been acknowledged since.
>>719899103but then what zero wanted to do was closer to what the boss wants, unite the world, as >>719898970 points out. sure, zero basically enslaved manking telling them what to think and not to think but he united them nonetheless. big boss literally created a haven for mercenaries to perpetuate conflict around the world for money no matter the cost
>>719899354Not good enough. MSF protecting warlords blood diamond shipments, torching villages in africa, rounding up civilians for some south american dictator, producing and selling WMDs to terrorists. That is what i would consider Big Boss earning his infamy. Just having nukes, never threatening anyone or showing an intent to use them, is just not good enough.
>>719894106>>719894427Do you think he knew it was the wrong guy but just said fuck it and gave the speech anyway?
>>719899621You are crazy, nukes is what makes them an actual danger. Real life PMC's do all that shit you said and no one gives a shit, western and developed countries in fact employ them all the time often to do things like protect blood diamonds and round up civilians for dictators. Having nuclear weapons is what makes them actually threatening to the world order.
>standing.... On the edge>snake killing people>of the underworld.... Looking at the abyss>snake holding men as they die>IM NUCLEAR>Miller gives a kid an AK as a fleet of children begin shooting>IM WIIIIIILD>snake unloading into a village>IM BREAKING UP..... IIIIINSIIIIIDE>snake face to face with skullface>A HEART OF BROKEN GLASS! DEFILED!>snakes horn gets bigger>DEEP INSIDE THE ABANDONED CHILD>snake standing in the ashes of a burned down village, drops to his knees and screams>....why would anyone think this is the game where Big Boss goes bad
>>719896813Kojiima
>>719877681Because Kojima literally edited the trailer to look like it.
The hype for this game was the last time /v/ felt like /v/
why didn't quiet just communicate trough writing?
>>719899846>Having nuclear weapons is what makes them actually threatening to the world order.As a real world scenario i absolutely agree with you but this is fiction. We need to see that playing out. From what i remember TPP mentioned some of that happened in PW with some NGO inspectors but i never played that game. I would have wanted the international community reacting to MSFs WMDs to be a much stronger plot point. Maybe at first they sending letters, then envoys, followed by some negotiations and in the end special forces trying to sabotage the installation or even kill Big Boss. Something that would feel like the world really fears MSF and considers them a global threat.
>>719900350I haven't played tpp in years but if I remember right the NGO "inspector" was a ruse
>>719898334>kojima rushed the storyWhat? It was the opposite. He took way too long with it, went way over budget, and that's why the game got cut in half and ends out of nowhere because Konami got sick of paying for it
>>719900280It's hard to believe it was a decade ago, it feels just like yesterday.
>>719898534It's a pretty cool idea, but people would just move to the next most popular language and the same shit would happen.
>>719900660The game had a completely normal budget for an AAA game. Death Stranding cost more.
>>719900606By Skullface XOF. But that shows that Big Boss was already dealing with the worlds awareness regarding the WMDs. So why never came up again is a mystery to me.
The twist is that Big Boss wasn't really a "demon". Only from certain angles.His intentions are easily as valid and admirable as everyone else in the series. He makes himself the enemy of the US by trying to set up a rogue nation, which doesn't necessarily make you a bad guy, but will paint a target on you.What we thought Big Boss was for most of the series was a fiction. He wasn't even one guy, he was two, or more accurately four when you realise how much work Miller and Ocelot put into building up the myth. Maybe five if you include Zero in all of that.John as a human being was a good fighter with mommy issues, petty grievances, and a life that spiraled out of control in a spectacular manner.
technically it does have that, it just happened off screen during v's storyLE SUBVERTED
>>719899863Erm he already turned evil in peace Walker you just didn't notice :)
>>719877681kojimbo wanted to do MGS2 again by advertising a game that wasn't actually the game he made, except this time the game has very little substance to latch onto to make it actually worthwhile to think about or to discuss
>>719900760Could have been cool with all kinds of tower of Babel biblical imagery, but instead they gave (every element of the game) it like 10% of the development and brain power so it's all just hollow SatAM villain of the week bullshit
>>719877681Big Boss did become evil in MGSV, just not the way we expected.He did the same thing America had done to the Boss
>>719900845His goal was never ending war for fun and profit. This is a demonic goal.
>>719900880In the sense that Che Guevara was a fucking monster and he shouldn't have been so cool with being branded with "Mmbiba el che" sure
>>719885515god mgs4 sucked but jesus christ it was such a fitting end
>>719900760made even more obvious by using the term lingua FRANCA to describe it
>>719900976Che was a cool guy who didn't do anything wrong, just like Big Boss.
>>719900945More accurately, some weird skewed philosophy about giving soldiers a place to live (which means the battlefield). You can see where he's coming from at least.
>>719901056Just wanted to ride my motorcycle and kill civilians bro.
>>719901004>mgs4s biggest issue was making every character tie back into the plot even after they reasonably could have fucked off>mgsV doubles down on this complete with characters who speak exclusively in lines from other gamesI'll never not be mad
>>719901182MGSV at least gave us the funniest thing ever in Skullface also being on operation snake eater and scooping BB's poop to hide all evidence
>>719898953You are actually worse because you choose to insert yourself in these places/conversations only to add nothing and then have the balls to complain about it. You’re the type of poster nobody likes.
>>719901408>hide the evidenceIts like Kojima forgot that they turned the entire area into a parking lot, and Ocelot even says so at the end of MGS3 that its all been cleaned out by the bombers....
Getting to the end and putting together the entire game was made to fill a plothole between MG1 and 2 that no one gives a shit about is when I finally realized Kojima was a hack.
Didn't MGS4 establish that Big Boss was never an evil guy to begin with? Just pawns in a bigger game.
>>719901472who do you think cleaned up after the bombers?
>>719901408>Skullface canonically threw all sorts of useful goods all across the Russian jungles, including places that even someone like Snake has no actual business investigating like the dead center of crocodile-infested waters
>>719901413What do the people that have the same 5 sentences in their brain set on repeat for 10 years add to anything?
>>719901536It was more of a Jack Skellington saving christmas thing where he stands next to zero singing "What have I done....What have I done"
>>719897670Awww man I jerked off to a femboy?
>>719900880>evil is when you have nukes, and torture peopleAll world powers confirmed evil.
>>719901507>made to fill a plothole between MG1 and 2 that no one gives a shit aboutI give a shit and think its clever. The real problem is that MGS is more of spiritual sequel to the first 2 games and Big Boss surviving/having a double does not really mean much.
>>719901472>Its like Kojima forgot that they turned the entire area into a parking lotJust to be a pedantic piece of shit, conventional weapons can't really flatten any large area. Even dropping a thousand MOABs would leave many untouched pockets. To really cleanse a place you need nukes. A bunch of them.
>>719901408He commanded troops, he didn't literally sneak behind Snake and pick things up. Why do people always have to reduce everything in the series to some cartoony funny moment? Why is everything a joke?
>>719893642>hate kojima then yesBut if you like Kojima then you like shit games.
>>719887675Peak anime reccomendations
>>719877681I’m convinced Kojima basically knew they were putting out some half finished shit, tried to make the most of what they had before the release date, and just pitched the shit like it was done anyway. He pretty much confirmed it was unfinished in his last tweet about it anyway, so it’s not like it’s not obvious what happened by now.
>>719901536The whole point of all the old faces returning to MGS4 was hammering it in that everyone from that original mission was wrong for trying to carry out The Boss's will because none of them saw the world the way she did and sure as fuck didn't know her enough to know if it's what she truly would have wanted, which invariably led to misinterpretation and conflict of interests.Some might have had good intentions behind it, but they led to horrible places and completely bastardized war into an industry of profit, where soldiers were even less valuable because now they weren't even fighting for an entire country, they were fighting for a corporate suit's bank account.
>>719901848it's just a ruse cruise and the rest of MGS5 will come out any day now to complete the story. It's all about the Phantom Pain, of missing something, of feeling the pain of something you don't have, get it? But don't worry he'll finish it soon, it's just a big trick
>>719901848You know what else was unfinished? Wind Waker. But you don't see cry baby faggots constantly complaining about it and that game is way more lacking in content than MGSV.
>>719901575A conversation with people who may not know what they do. Or socialization. Weird you even have to ask. If that kind of stuff bothers you then you should just leave the website more often. Or online spaces in general. One day you will be older and want to talk about old things/things you like. >>719901575
>>719901848I think it's more that Konami quickly wanted to pivot to pachinko before the legislation hit, and Kojima knew he was the cash cow so he had carte blance to miss deadlines, this resulted in Konami saying "FINISH IT NOW FINISH IT NOW FINISH IT NOW SO WE CAN FIRE YOU AND BEMANI!!!" and Kojima going "Just saw Drive in theaters again, very good!" Before he eventually had to rush it out the door
FOB defenses made me wish we got actual PF conflict in the campaign.Clearly the engine could handle you having a squad in the field with you.
>>719901782>why do people exaggerate a stupid plot line for comedic effectbecause it's fucking stupid anon! Why even bother sending in BB by himself? Zero already had a squad of even stealthier people infiltrate the same areas anyway. His organization is called XOF, because it's FOX backwards, shit is already a stupid joke man.
>>719902019Except they don't talk about what they like. It's just doomposting a 10 year old game without the discussion evolving. For someone who actually wants to talk about the game it makes every thread meaningless drivel.
>>719902006Wind Waker wasn't the final installation of a serialized plot that had been going on for decades anon
>>719902118>>719902006>>719901976Yeah, I don’t disagree. All three anons are based.
>>719901976I sincerely hope this somehow happens just so Caramell will finally be vindicated and we'll all be forced to bow down until the day we die.
>>719901782>>719902141It's always been serious and silly at the same time, that's the charm of it
>>719901848in retrospect it's better this way. If there was a big "Anakin Skywalker kills the younglings" moment, the game would only be cornier for it.As it exists, MGSV is this strange, sad, reflective game, that brings into question basically the whole established line on Big Boss, whether it was meant to or not.
>>719902247Agreed. I don’t mind it, and yeah, I won’t lie, sounds gay, but the game just evokes this empty, sad feeling in you. Everything feels foreign to what you expect, which I’m sure was intended, even if the unfinished aspect wasn’t meant to be, the game does obviously do a good job of making you long for the games of old, but that feeling never comes. It’s my least replayed of the series, but it’s definitely got its place.
>>719902247Would have been better if they just leaned into snake being misguided>Oh these poor kids, they clearly yearn for the battlefield like me, let's train them and send them out to destabilize nations>MAN SKULLFACE IS SUCH A DICK! INCREASE NUKE PRODUCTION THATL SHOW EM!>"hey snake, I heard zero was talking mad shit about you">oh yeah? Send Metal Gear, let's go bomb this local village to send a message(bad info, no combatants in the area, every major nation is pissed)>DONT THEY SEE IM THE GOOD GUY! FINE!!! FUCK YOU!!!! I GOT THE NOOKZ
>>719897674Afterwards he got a sloppy second pity fuck
>>719902731>skull face rapes kids and puts a bomb on a girls pussy, kills a young boy>the outrage: WHY IS THIS WOMAN IN A BIKINI!!!!!!
>>719902247the game is already pretty corny with the >actually YOU the player are the real big bossstuff which rings hollow considering we only get to play as him for 2 and like 1/4th of a game in GZ (3 if we count Venom as BB) out of the 8 mainline games, with the bulk of his legend and involvement with global conflicts happening off screen between TPP and MG1.
>>719902815It's a lot harder to get enraged over audio as opposed to visuals.Notice all the culture war bait flooding /v/ uses visuals.
>>719902815Ground Zeros happened long before TPP and Quiet, and people WERE outraged by the Paz coochbomb when it happened. if you're going to try to revise history do it in a way that doesn't show your ass bozo
>>719877949>>719878038>no boss, you have to wait exactly 6 years, 275 days, and 3 hours before it becomes moral to shoot them
>>719883029Pax Atomica is literally the only reason why the Soviets didn't annex at least half of Japan and Kojima needs to step out of his 'and then for one day for no reason at all America nuked ME!' victimhood box.I'm not even asking for Kojimbo to stop being an anti-American turbo liberal. Just this one box he needs to get out of.
>stupid youtube loredump videos>snake was there the whole time>he was even skullface>they dont mention or post anything about when skullface gets shot lol lmao even
>>719877681>"Living behind a gun is what we do, Boss.">"There's no room for angels in our heaven."I fucking kneeled.
Did they at least add SkullFace to delta?
>>719898953You have the be over 18 to post on 4chan
>>719903470yeah he shows up with a mop if you spin snake around forcing him to puke 10 times
>>719903514>RAAAHHHHH its a living!
>>719877949>>719878038>>719903086Cry more to the Mission Failed screen, shitter.>>719903470No, but they added a scene of Volgin catching on fire and getting his face filled with bullets so he looks more like he does in MGS5.
>>719903703I preferred Volgin when I ignored the gay scientific rationalization for why I'm being chased by a fire ghost
>>719902540You kind of are doing that though. The entire game you're building this secret army, developing weapons, torturing prisoners, and interfering in geopolitics. It's all just framed in such a way that from your perspective, you don't feel like a James Bond villain.You can imagine that when the story broke about Big Boss executing is own soldiers during the virus outbreak, the world would be shocked by that.
>>719903850Would have been better if there was even slight resistance from the soldiers you're killing, but Gary stu boss can do no wronbg
>>719877681Wish they held onto kojimbo a little longer and we got to play as BiBo for real building Zanzibarland...
>>719903937Which from a certain angle is a cult of personality, or brainwashing. All of those men were abducted, and basically "convinced" that they wanted to join Big Boss.
>>719904047Sure but Kojima heavily white washed everything. You have to do a lot of heavy lifting for a story that goes "No, actually this is good and fine" and doesn't even approach the notion that you're brainwashing or torturing anyone besides quiet and huey
>>719886330>This is the kind of reason we need a Definitive Edition. There was cut content and lots of stuff that was not even implemented from the notes/artbooks. Things should vary how you play on the lower level. If you execute a lot of people, fail (or not do) many of the side missions even after you gain the ability to do them//go back for them later etc.. that's one thing, nothing but lowest scores, loud and murdery etc. However, if you try to sneak, knock out when you can, stealth, do side missions etc. that should be different. This wasn't cut due to time constraints. This was cut due to Kojima changing his mind on these ideas. Same with shit like Phantom Chico (which the leaked script confirms Kojima had zero ideas for, given that he doesn't give Chico a single line of dialogue, and was evidently cut before voice acting was done, so quite early in development). He did this all the time, 90% of MGS2's cut content (barring the last minute cut content like the 9/11 stuff) was due to this as well or technical limitations. The only thing that was cut due to time constraints in MGSV was the Episode 51 DLC and the Return to Camp Omega thing which was apparently cut last minute or was supposed to be DLC. >>719893470You're correct.Although chances are the return to Camp Omega was probably gonna be some extra single player side ops DLC. Probably alongside Episode 51. We don't know for sure, but it was definitely farther in development than Episode 51 since Kojima shared a screenshot of it in 2015. But I presume they only got as far as actually implementing Camp Omega as a thing in TPP, not actually developing missions for it. Either way, thankfully mods restore it. >>719893619There's so many scenes in MGSV that feel random and self-contradicting. Like that very bizarre "eyes on Kazuhira" scene. It feels less like cut content and more very sloppy writing.
>>719904187Because people will always make excuses for why they're the good guy, or why their enemies are the bad guys. A similar argument could be made that Solid Snake was brainwashed by the Patriots. From a certain angle, Solid Snake is a trained killer for a totalitarian regime. At the start of MGS1, he tries to quit and the government sends men who kill his dogs and hold him at gunpoint. We still don't quite doubt that the US establishment and Colonel Campbell are good guys, when we play that game.
>>719904742Yeah that's great dear, but I'm not interested in the fanfic excuses version of the story, I'm interested in what's actually there
>>719904187I bet at least half of them were fine with joining the legendary Big Boss
>>719904742the whole point of MG 1 2 and MGS1 was that yes, Solid Snake was used as tool by the government/patriots which why he and Otacon team up in every game after MGS1. The patriots/gubberment saw that one 3rd of their BB cloning experiment went apeshit so they brought back the the very successful test subject to wipe out the other, then tried to get rid of him and Solidus so they could act with impunity. Just another neat parallel between solid and BB, though Solid tried to just hide away first instead of creating a massive PMC
>>719877681You weren't there for those trailers, I assumeWe got tricked big time. It really did seem like we were about to witness the second coming of Jesus. It was perfect. Not only the trailers; the gameplay demos they showed for a few missions also promised so muchBut the problem is that what happens in the trailers is literally the whole thing lmao there's nothing else aside from playing copy pasted missions in copy pasted outposts in an empty open world. No bosses, no codec, no random events in the world, nothing at all.
>>719904821A mad man building a private army on an oil right, hiding nukes, developing weapons, torturing prisoners, abducting children with the intent to train them as soldier, and executing his own men. That all happens, and you as the player sit there waiting for the penny to drop and for the moment when you "become the bad guy" happens. That's kind of the joke of it all.
>>719905425Peace Walker already did everything you're trying to say MGSV did but way better.
>>719905425>>719905515Yup. If anything, BB was already the bad guy the moment he came home from fulfilling his mission in Snake Eater. Had to kill his own mentor, and now wanted to figure out what the fuck she truly wanted out of this ruse cruise she put everyone through.And true the form, in being given the title "Big Boss", he too became a dangerous inspiration that gave other people terrible ideas to live up to his own "greatness".
>>719905515MGSV is kind of a sly remake of Peace Walker, because Kojima realised he made a mistake by wasting such a good concept on the PSP.
>>719877681>"YOU SEE, KAZ, WE ARE THE DEMONS">spend 2/3 of the game saving child soldiers and de-nuking the world
>>719905682...Saving child soldiers so they can be YOUR loyal soldiers when they come of age, and de-nuking the world so you're one of the only nuclear superpowers so that you can hold significant leverage over your enemies.
>>719905763The delivery mechanism just doesn't hit the way you want it to, sorry.
>>719905860Because he didn't kill the younglings like Anakin?
>>719905860Say, what happens in Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2, again?
>>719905931Kyle Reese beats up Sean Connery>>719905895Because the game goes way too far out of its own way to rationalize the universe being real cool with the legendary BiBo. Again, Peace Walker does it better, VicBoss explains to Chico that he's doing dirty business and Chico is clearly too enamored by this guy that kinda looks like Che Guevara. Kaz doesn't immediately jump in and over explain about how we need to pump up the literacy rate and let them do as they please as adults with a light implication that they'll be adult soldiers
>>719877681Fans bought up too much shit with all this. The story keeps the idea of the horrible things Big Boss is doing more on the understated side instead of having characters in your face going on about how evil he is, but at the same time Venom's presentation isn't really held very well as the "man with good intentions for his fellow soldiers becoming an immoral monster" thing it wants to be, either. It's too constrained by a big bad that wants to endanger the world for personal goals, so the protagonist has to stop him even if it's largely for revenge. When the biggest immoral thing Big Boss himself does as that "moment of no return" boils down to lying to Kaz and presenting a body double in his place as a smokescreen for actually building Outer Heaven in the background, you've fucked up.
>>719906121That's true to life though. Presumably you've lived long enough to see certain figures on the world stage go from being "cool", to "monsters", and sometimes back again.Do we support the "moderate rebels" or not?
>>719877681I wanted to see BB's descent into villainy and how he created Outer Heaven... and more Ocelot, don't let him be just a background character. The idea of language as a parasite was so great, but I feel like it was wasted. This had the potential to be the best MGS game. Now it's probably the worst
>>719906389Again to that I say. Peace Walker sticks the landing, TPP does not. I don't need to pretend that TPP is narrative genius when there's a game right fucking next to it that does it fine
>>719906471Okay, but that's beside the point. The question was "when does he become the bad guy?"
>>719906589He becomes the worlds bad guy in PoOps and Peace Walker, then there's a very weird gap where BiBo/Venom is a Gary Stu with 0 moral dilemma in TPP, and then he's the bad guy in MG. BiBo even gives a speech about how he will become the villain at the end of Peace Walker, and then nothing, nothing that doesn't involve cult-like charity for hollow empty writing that sucks off BiBo, and makes ocelot as well as Miller act contrary to their previous selves in other games
>>719906389PW leverages this intentionally, though. You have BB being a grouchy commander with boots on ground that clearly is just emotionally unstable as the player fully witnesses him being kind of all over the place on the mental dart board, and meanwhile you have a bunch of Cubans that he takes in that are considering him god's gift to mankind, singing his praises, finding him weird but a warzone messiah that takes in those unfortunate, puts a gun in their hands, and gives them purpose. It's a straightforward juxtaposition, where the "heroes" readily take in a scientist who builds them a nuclear-launching Metal Gear because they need to hold off their enemies from coming after them. You're supposed to see Big Boss straddle the line between a hero and a villain, and everyone around him sees him as different things even up to the U.S. being confused on what he's playing, while the player has the insight to the truth.TPP did a shit job of trying to invert this by underplaying everyone around VS, getting rid of most character and charm in favor of everybody being bitter assholes that largely don't trust each other, and our supposed BB has no player insight whatsoever in an attempt to put the player in his shoes intentionally almost like a blank slate, as we're largely just the villain because things say we have to be one with none of the subtext. "Cool", "monster", both basically disappear in favor of just acting like we're the monster beneath the bed that will come out when the world needs a monster to fix its underplayed problems, doing nothing to really earn any of that since there's no greater politics, no larger cast, no bigger plays for what's going on, just Diamond Dogs versus Skull Face / XOF and some Zero and Patriots drama in the endgame tapes.
I'm Big Boss's top guy... What am I gonna do?? Big Boss chose me to lead the revolution...
>>719906589The moment The Boss gives her final words to him and he's forced to execute her.
>>719877681It wasn't, the trailers all had him say "I'm already a demon," pay attention.
>>719906589That was answered in 3. The question after that is how he becomes the bad guy, which is answered like 3 fucking times.
>>719906842He's not that in TPP though. He's literally a brain damaged mad man building a private army on an oil rig.Where are you getting the idea that there's global endorsement of Big Boss?Also we know due to the twist that Miller is in on the manipulation. He knows the player character isn't really Big Boss, which adds a hollow quality to all of his praise. "no one does it like you, Boss". There's a joke hidden in there.
>>719907096This guy gets it. BB in PW is a revolutionary standing against the organized governmental forces of the world.VS in TPP is battlefield Jesus, everyone loves him, he has nothing to say, no headspace, no real motivation, and only standing against super Hitler who wants to rip out the worlds vocal chords. We can extrapolate all kinds of meaning where "Its just perspective bro, anyone with nukes is a bad guy, anyone who houses child soldiers is a bad guy, therefore BB is and has been the bad guy" but the game itself really has nothing to say about it and whether intentional or not, you don't get kudos for what isn't there.
Because MGS5 did MGS2 all over again with misdirection and propaganda. The ending is even the inverse of 2, where Raiden threw the player's identity away to be his own man, in 5 the player throws away their identity to live out the legend of Big Boss.
>>719907524>in TPP is battlefield Jesus, everyone loves himWhen does this happen?
>>719907495>He's building a private army therefore badHe's building a private army for no other reason than because he's told that he has to. Everything in the game is a directive by someone else. To which you say "Because he's not actually big boss" to which I say "Yeah I know, but that doesn't make a compelling argument for BigBoss being the overt villain he is in MG.
>>719904521We still could have gotten a Ep51 and Return to Camp Omega, to say the least. Also, in some alternate reality where either Kojima continued working there or got back in the project, or even if some decent collaborators still at Konami look at things, they could revamp things now with some of the stuff that got cut or switched around in other ways. The problem seemed to be that there were some disjointed story elements that didn't work so far maybe because of changing his mind, but that's the kind of thing that could have been smoothed over or retconned or revealed to have been something fake . Sometimes you make it to the end of the story and realize you jumbled it all up for one reason or another and you need to either pare down or add stuff to fix it, and it would be nice to see that happen. The "denuclearization" ending is a legitimate bit of Kojimbo mindfuck kino but its a pity that so many other things are either limited or undermine all of that, to say the least
>>719907645I didn't say he was "bad". You were asking when he became the villain. those are two different questions.What you're really asking is when does he cross the line and make himself the enemy of the US (or the Patriots)? And we saw that. It's when he decided to house nukes and build his own super weapons. That's why the attack on Mother Base happens in GZ.
>>719907856Now you're just being intentionally pedantic
>>719907965No, I'm not. You're looking for an answer that isn't there. Because Big Boss isn't "the villain" of the Metal Gear saga. He's one of the two major players.
>>719908063He is certainly an out and out villain in MG1 and 2. He fully kidnaps unwilling people and kills those who don't subjugate. This is different from post MGS3 BB
>>719908115He's the villain from the perspective of the narrative of MG 1 and 2, which is the perspective of Solid Snake.He is not necessarily the villain of the entire narrative.
>>719877681Then it ends up being a random dude. That tweest alone made me never touch the game.
Okay its been ages but I need to finish TPP. I 100%'d GZ back in the day, but as I recall you need to have that 100% import to get all the stuff, but its specific to playing in either JP or EN audio, right? I'm not sure which one is better/intended? Kiefer Sutherland (which also may have been a reason he had so few lines), but then again they kept Akio Otsuka (who is always fucking awesome, one of the greatest VA's out there for manly characters , coincidentally his father basically held that title for the 40 years prior. I'm pretty sure that the meeting between Big Boss and Snake in MGS4 true ending was one of the times they played together and it was great)So should I play GZ again? Import a 100% save and start TPP? Also when it comes to scoring in TPP, I don't remember what "counts" and if they stack individually. That is to say if you can do the minimum objectives for a mission as fast as possible and get a A or S rank for speed, and then come back later and take ages doing all the objectives perfectly quietly etc..and get A/S on everything else, so you get a S rank for every category and thus the mission, after playing it several times? Or do you have to do everything fast and quiet and perfect all i none take to get a high rank?
>>719877949playing the game wrong anyway so no helping you
>>719908213>from the perspective ofAgain, you're being lopsided with your charitability. BB actively threatens (as in, makes threats(not just implied by way of [HAS NOOKS])) to take over the world with Metal Gear. This isn't a perspective shift....You give way too much leeway for TPP and not enough for any other game in the series.
