What are some actually good metroidvania games? Hollow Knight/Silksong ain't it.
>>719902947
>>719902947Still only Metroid and Castlevania
La-Mulana
axiom verge
>>719902947Super Metroid and Guacamelee
>>719902947Hollow Knight and Silksong.
>>719902947Hollow Knight and Silksong
>>719902947Nine sols Crosscode
THE GOAT
>>719902947“Metroidvania” is a shitty term that encompasses too many games that don’t really have that much in common. That being said pic related is my favorite outside "le holy trinity"
Play INFERNAX
>>719902947Jet Set Willy
>>719903018This one's pretty middle of the road. The map design is so-so and the weapon roster could do with fewer, better weapons.
>>719902947Ori, Ender series, Prince of Persia (in spite of Ubisoft)
>>719905885Proof that more != better
>>719902947Super Metroid, Metroid Fusion, Ori, La-Mulana and FEZ. Yes FEZ is actually a good game, despite everything
>>719902947Battletoads
>>719902947Rabi RibiAlso Hollow Knight is one of the best ones
If you don't like the pinnacle of the genre, you're not going to like the lesser games.
>>719905885Mogged into irrelevancy by AM2R
guacamelee
>>719906917>Hollow Knight is one of the best onesit's not even close, the map alone is absolute ass
night of revengeholy knight riccamidnight castle succubussinisistar 1&2order of ecclesia
>>719902947Both Prince of Persia 2d games werent bad even if bit shortNine souls is ok if a bit hard
>>719906991I have no idea which game you're talking about
SotN still the only good one.
>>719902947Ori games.
>>719906996TrvkeNintendo DMCA'd AM2R because they can't compete with literal fangames
>>719902947That Prince of Persia game in your pic is by far the best one I've ever played. The combat, level design, platforming, and puzzles are all top notch.
>>719908281SotN isn't even the best Castlevania.
>>719906184Highly underrated.
>>719902947Batbarian: Testament of the Primordials
>>719902947Metroid Dread is the only modern one worth mentioning that doesn't have any goofy Souls shit in it.Maybe Bloodstained, too.
>>719902947If you don't like hollow knight the only metroidvania you might like is animal well
It's kino, thank you to the anon that recommended it to me a few months back.
>>719910603Animal? Well...
>>719905885Completely inferior to the original game
>>719902947the lost crown was pretty fun, just sucks it will never get any sequels.
>>719905885>Had such low confidence in the remake that they had to dmca a fangame
>>719906048Just give up, fren.We lost this war."Metroidvania" will be forever synonymous with "non-linear platformer" regardless of anything else.
>>719912704>>719906048not a hard term to get down with.do you search for collectible powerups?do you platform around and fight?search-action / metroidvania
>>719912357i wish more games were about digging
Infernax was good, although some will argue that the game isn't really a "metroidvania" in the traditional sense
>>719912860Yeah, but all those things are superficial features that many genres have. Is Michael Jackson's Beat It a metal song just because it has a guitar solo in it? Guacamelee and Hollow Knight have basically nothing in common besides some superfitial stuff, and you would not recommend one game to someone who likes the other just because. My point stands.
>>719913268same
>>719913939Would I not recommend Farcry to someone who likes Skyrim? my point stands.
Pic on OPs right there is actually really, really fucking good. Prince of Persia The Lost Crown Definitive Edition when on sale is surprisingly well done -and if you are upset about killmonger hair you can easily change his hairstyle to a straight one so you're fine. I'm going to assume that you don't want actual Metroid or Castlevania games, so I'll stick to some others...Also>Shadow Complex Remastereda great but somewhat simple metroidvania >Axiom Verge and Axiom Verge 2 Lean more heavily to the Metroid side, but solid and well made >Carrion Do you want to be the tentacle alien for once eating the space station as you slither around air ducts? You do this and more and it works out well. >Guacamelee Super Turbo Championship Edition + Guacamelee 2Both are great, include oldfag memes, and have a great traversal + combat setup. To get the true ending it takes some pretty advanced platforming Do NOT get Gold Edition of the first game, its actually older than STCE. Also both can be played co-op 2 or in the second game 4 player!>Bloodstained Ritual of the NightFantastic , a true Igavania and enjoyable. Fuckloads of stuff to do and alternate campaigns too, special modes, other games >Nine Sols very well made on Taiwanese lore and stuff. On the harder side as you are expected to souls-like parry though. Worthwhile if you can stick it >Ori series, both gamesStylish and well done >InfernaxNice to see some other anons list it. Its actually a bit different than most metroidvanias and is between that and a very advanced take on Adventure of Link or Simon's Quest, but it stands on its own >Cave Story, La Mulana, La Mulana 2 These are beyond traditional metroidvanias as they have puzzles and other aspects that are much more difficult than a typical get-the-new-ability-to-progress, but they're good.>Shinobi>Deedlit in Wonder Labyrinth, RabiRibi, Momodora series Anime girl MVs>Guns of FuryMetal slug + MV>UnEpic, Ghost 1.0, Pampas and Selene
>>719916576>killmonger hairhe shouldn't be black in the first place
>>719916576>as they have puzzles and other aspects that are much more difficult than a typical get-the-new-ability-to-progressCave Story does not have any puzzles. Or any difficult progression gates. Infact its as literal as "colour coded keys". Youre talking about a different game that is not Cave Story.
>>719916701He's not the Prince of Persia. He's one of the Immortals; the Prince is basically missing/in peril and your team of legendary warriors from across the kingdom have to figure out what's going on, find him, and deal with all the magical shit and other Persian mythological fuckery.
>>719902947Prince of Persia Lost Crown is surprisingly really really good, and playing it with arabic dub is extremely soulful.Luna Nights is still my favourite non-Metroid/Castlevania.Super Metroid is still the peak of the genre in terms of exploration and atmosphere And my favourite Igavania is Circle of the Moon
>>719916868Been awhile since I played, but to get the best weapon you have to keep the pop-gun you start out with despite having the opportunity to throw it away. there are other story bits or ending stuff you can only get if you do the "right" things. I think it qualifies.
>>719903020SPBP
>>719917071I think youre stupid and dont know what a puzzle means if you think "thing I couldnt have any REASON to know what future relevant purpose it, has, to be used at the right time" = Puzzle.
Hollow Knight
>>719917253Your pedantic faggotry isn't helpful. I said OTHER ASPECTS as well that are outside of the typical metroidvania playstyle. Something like Cave Story or La Mulana are outside the typical metroidvania dynamic. Having to do things in certain, non mandatory orders, do things that you may not be aware will lock you out of others, or otherwise is more than >get red ability to open red door, go to all the areas on the map to 100% the gamewhich is typically how most metroidvania work
Can I ask for more movement based (idk how else to call them) metroidvanias? Already played all 2d Metroid (except for Dread, though it's the next in line once I finish Silksong), tried Bloodstained but while I see it's a good game, it didn't really fill that itch
>>719902947Ender Magnolia
>>719902947Luna Nights
>>719902947Ori (both), Nine Sols, AoS/DoS/SOTN
>>719917868Guacamelee Super Turbo Championship edition is a good place to start. The combat is very dynamic and movement focused and the traversal really gets going once you unlock certain momentum effects (ie you can run straight up a wall).
>>719906124This.
>>719902947This one is ok, I also really liked the second Ori game, but even so, these games pale in comparison to actual Metroid and Castlevania during the DS era.
I liked ender lillies more than magnolia.
>>719917068>Lost Crown Arabic Dub Holy shit... do you mean Persian/Farsi? It appears the Arabic version is just text, but the Persian is fully voiced. Hell, I wonder if they went out of their way to make it as one of the primary languages so I wouldn't be surprised if it was designed for it. I'll have to get someone who knows Persian/Farsi to tell me if the dialect is "antiquated" to a degree to fit in the time the game is set - that would be great. Ubisoft can do some stupid shit, but languages, historical settings/mythologies etc..are one of their strong points. That's why that Notre Dame came to Ubi to get their research for AC Unity in order to restore the cathedral itself because the AC team basically 3D scanned the entire fucking thing.
>>719918359Purely based on aesthetics? Because Magnolia did pretty much everything better.
>>719918486Yeah, I like magic and medieval settings more than magnilias steampunk. I like the atmosphere and story of lillies more as well.Lillies has more memorable music for me too. I can remember clearly the opening section of lillies, verboten domain, the abyss, ruined castle and credits years after playing it, whereas I can only really remember like two songs from magnolia half a year later.
>>719918124Oh fuck, I forgot about Guacamelee, already played both 1 and 2. Is there any difference worth a replay between 1 and the Super Turbo edition?
>>719902947Grime
Speaking of Guacamelee, is Severed ever releasing on pc?
>>719918861SuperTurbo has an extra zone or two and adds to the lore regarding the 2nd player character, but the big thing I remember was that unlike Gold Edition some of the costumes and stuff were not stuck at the "challenges in hell" and instead were doled out in other ways. I'm not sure if would be worth playing again just for the new stuff, but it was a reasonable amount. If you didn'tr get the good/best ending of Guac1 (that required you get the special items from challenging optional areas. if you had all the pieces and then beat the game, you'd get the best ending) then definitely play STCE if you decide to play 1 again.
>>719919002So far, doesn't seem so. However I think they should especially with Steam Deck. I think it was launched on Switch and iOS (no Android:?!) for some reason. The devs however are working on a 3D action RPG though called Blighted. https://store.steampowered.com/app/2974160/Blighted/
>>719919336While I didn't get all the achievements, I did get most of them including all golds in hell. Pretty sure I did do the best ending, also>>719919495PS Vita, not Switch. IIRC it used to be a Vita exclusive at release, even
I'll make this simple for you zoomer faggots.The first game that coined the term "Metroidvania" was Castlevania Symphony of the Night, due to it being a Castlevania game that deviated greatly from the original series and included gameplay elements most prominently from the Metroid series, while still retaining its own unique aspects.Does the game share many of the gameplay elements of SotN, such as the large sprawling Metroid style map progression, and RPG elements like levels, stats, items, and equipment?It's a Metroidvania.If it doesn't have a majority of those combined elements, it's not a Metroidvania, simple as.Metroid itself shouldn't be considered a "Metroidvania" since it doesn't share many things in common with SotN, it's like labeling a single aspect of what makes a Metroidvania unique the same label itself. It's like calling a sedan an SUV.
>>719913939I would recomend Bloodstained to someone who liked Hollow Knight. Stop being a semantics arguing retard pretending everyone doesn't clearly know what you mean when you say "Metroidvania". It's not like Rougelite where the actual gameplay side of things can vary widely. Metroidvania is an incredibly specific genre boundry.
>>719908281>SotN is the only Castlevania I've ever played: the postAria of Sorrow is just objectively better.
>>719902947I am playing Nine Sols as we speak and I am really enjoying it.
>>719916576>no mention of Ender Lilies of Ender MagnoliaShit list. Both are better than every single one of the games you mentioned.
>>719912064It was probably me! Some spastic fucker kept calling it "loli guro bait" and then some dildo said, "Oh no, that's not for me!" I recommend this and Rusted Moss to anyone interested in metroidvanias. (I think it's a fine name for the genre and I'm 40-something.)
>>719920296NTA but I have it on my wishlist but I have too many metroidvania to get through before I start buying more but I will get to it eventually.
Afterimage is 10/10.
Besides obviously Castlevania and Metroid?Rabi-Ribi is a spectacular and really wild ludo Touhouvania, my fav by farYoku's Island Express is a joyful and unique pinball metroidvania Luna Nights is short but cool as fuck
>>719919743Ah okay yeah, just give 2 a shot then. Also if you get the DLC there are other playable characters and some of them even have custom dialogs which is a nice touch. To be clear there are 4+ playable characters in the baseline game but some of the enemy bosses from the 2nd and 1st game alike were DLC (Jaguar Javier is perhaps the one most will remember. Though Xtabay is playable by default!) . >SeveredAhh yeah thats right it was on other platforms too I think, WiiU / 3DS. I think its a touch screen focus that keeps it from coming to PC but they could overhaul it with a minor improvement and of course anyone with a touchscreen can use the original controls. PC and Android seem to be easy ports. >>719920095Ender Lilies / Magnolia Not sure I'd agree, if you like them that's fine but better than everything else? Yeah GTFO. I didn't list them because the OP mentioned that he didn't like Hollow Knight so I didn't think he wanted too many "Souls-like" metroidvanias too heavily. There are tons of others I could have added because of that, and the few I did like Nine Sols I contexualized it that if its too hard or not the mechanics he wants, he may not enjoy. Ender series, Salt and Sanctuary , etc. The list I had wasn't exhaustive - there are plenty of other good-or-better metroidvanias out there.
>>719920607Ah btw I haven't played Tevi yet, but I'm sure it must be ludokino as well
>>719920630>Ender Lilies/Magnolia>souls likeOh you're retarded. That explains the dog shit taste.
>>719902947Touhou luna nights was fun imo, the time stop mechanic is nice and the art is cute, plus there's pic related to seal the deal
>>719920712Yeah the only metroidvania I'd actually say deserves being considered soulslike is Blasphemous and that's only because the game has non existent exploration and platforming.
>>719920630Just an anon passing by to say I hated HK but I liked Ender Lilies
>>719905859>>719908134>>719918069>>719920070nine sols is as terrible as HK, replace dodge with a parry and they're the same shit game
>>719920712YOU are fucking retarded, watering down this thread with unentertaining, unedifying leakage from your blown-out asshole. This isn't high school. Nobody thinks you're cool.
>>719920812How's the music though? I refuse to play any Touhou game if it doesn't have good Touhou music.
>>719920812Sold will try it out
>>719903020sippidybippidy
>>719920942excellent
>>719906048>trinityWhat's the third?
Ori, 1 and 2 are both great games.
Astalon Tears of the Earth is incredible. A fast almost ARCADE Metroidvania of huge size with early Falcom chibi stuff going on in the graphics.
>>719921091looks like a game from 1985pass
>>719921005Nice
I beat Ori 2 about a week before Silksong and that game was 100% more FUN to play. So I guess that one.
>>719920296it is loli guro bait tho
>>719920712What the fuck are you on about? It has>the whole fucking aesthetic, but lets not even bother with that >Many enemies have a very "TITLE PERSON" or "PERSON, THING OF THING"" naming style popularized in the Souls series>Requires either roll/dodge or parry contingent combat, often partnered with longer enemy attack chains in a way that many other older metroidvania did not. Overall higher difficulty.>Has "respite" spots where you heal, equip things and do other business and once you go away from them all the enemies nearby respawnMuch of those qualify as "soulslike" especially when stuck together. If anon didn't like Hollow Knight because it was too hard or had those other mechanics, then why would I suggest Ender series or others similar?>>719920873>Blasphemous Eh, there was still some exploration and the like and it wasn't known for platforming challenges, but the souls-tropes and difficulties were why I didn't put it on the first list. >>719920921Okay. Its not a bad game or anything,I could only fit so many on the post and was keeping mostly away from stuff OP claimed not to like. Did you like Blasphemous series? How about Nine Sols? Or was it just HK that didn't click for some reason?
>>719921326>>the whole fucking aesthetic, but lets not even bother with that >>Many enemies have a very "TITLE PERSON" or "PERSON, THING OF THING"" naming style popularized in the Souls series>>Requires either roll/dodge or parry contingent combat, often partnered with longer enemy attack chains in a way that many other older metroidvania did not. Overall higher difficulty.>>Has "respite" spots where you heal, equip things and do other business and once you go away from them all the enemies nearby respawnYep, retard
>>719920873Ninja Gaiden: Ragebound was very mid but the bosses were decent. Is it worth a try? Does it have good upgrades?
>>719913939Guacamelee and Hollow Knight have more in common with one another than they have in common with something like Super Mario World, and all three of those games are action based games in which you platform in.
>>719906996He didn't say anything about Super Metroid, though.
>>719902947I've only played Afterimage and Ender Lilies so now I can't play any MV that doesn't have an anime girl as it's protagonist.
TLC that you posted has GOD tier combat and platforming, it's just a shame it's unironically too easy. Also pretty mediocre ost, story, characters and a bit short on interesting bosses.
this is my goty so far, one of the best metroidvanias in recent years
my first entry into the genre ruinedi t for memetroid dread was just too good
dawn of sorrowportrait of ruinorder of ecclesia
>>719925938I liked Dread a lot more than I thought I would, considering the mechanics seemed like it would be slopified. Super Metroid is still superior though
>>719926515I went back and played all of the metroid games after I beat Dread. many good times were had. super, zero mission, fusion.
Team Ladybug has never made a bad Metroidvania.
>>719925938>>719926515Still amazed at how well Bread turned out. Really lives up to Super and Zero Mission.
technically not a metroidvania but it is a platformer with combat and a labyrinthine map with lots of treasures to findi say it's worth a try just cause of kirby
>>719905885Mercurysteam employee at least post Dread
>>719907528Name three (3) games of the same genre with better maps.
>>719902947I have "popular... BAD!" fatigue.
>>719902947Iji
>>719902947Toehoe Luna Nights
>>719927795super metroid, sotn, aria of sorrow. I could go on but I know you haven't even played these 3, and they're the most basic bitch ones
>>719902947Ender Lillies was kino with a perfect aesthetic, haven't played the sequel because the new girl is ugly.
>no mention of child of light nor cave story.everyone itt needs to be hanged
Metroid Fusion
>>719905789>>719905842We get it, samefag troon
was ender lilies good? how about the sequal? or is the sequal just a cash grab?
any more grimdark or dark fantasy "metrovania" ?
A robot named fight
>>719902947That japanese one where you play as a girl and the dev had a drowning fetish
>>719930143Yes, both are excellent. I actually like Magnolia a bit more and I hope they continue the Ender series.
>>719930143Haven't played the sequel yet but from what I've heard and seen online it's a good sequel improving on almost every aspect of the original.Ender Lilies is one of the best MVs ever made and if you ask me also just one of the best games ever made.
>>719929960IS this a metroidvania? I thought it was some kind of turn based rpg
>>719908002Based
>>719902947Rabi RibiTouhou Luna Nights
>>719902947I'm tired of games with no equipment choice being called metroidvanias instead of just metroid clones.
This game is actually very good.
Since there's so many Luna Nights mentions: what do you guys want in Luna Nights 2 which the studio teased on twitter?I want a game based on PCB characters since Sakuya is playable there, and I want Yuyuko, Yomu and Yukari boss fights
>>719903018Axiom Verge is the middest of the mid, imo. It's not *bad* but theres nothing really special about it.Nobodys brought up Environment Station Alpha. It's a good game that goes fucking nuts with post game content. I dont want to spoil anything but it's very much worth a play. Animal Well is also good.
Why am I the only person on earth who thinks Dread looks ugly? It literally looke like an NRS fighting game like InJustAss. It's like kitsch mixed with edge. Shit does not mix.
>>719920927Someone got filtered. It is one of the all time best Metroidvanias, up there with Ori. Far surpasses Hollow Knight in both mechanics, style, story, and art. Nigger.
>>719902947I been interested less and less in 2d metroidvanias after discovering 3d metroidvanias
AstalonLa Mulana 1 + 2,
>>719902947i really liked rusted moss. most games in the genre i find bland, very little innovation or variation on the formula. even though i enjoyed hollow knight andd blasphemous i recognize that both of them don't really push the envelope and are more just very competent executions of more of the same. but in rusted moss, the simple fact of adding a grappling hook and 360 degree aiming really opened up possibilities for design. definitely worth checking out.
>>719931881I'm not much of a Touhou guy. I bought the game because it looked good and I like white haired maids. I really enjoyed the time control powers in combat and also really ended up liking the "graze" mechanic. The boss difficulty also felt "just right" to me, they weren't push-overs but at the same time weren't insanely hard or unfair feeling. Fighting them was fun and rewarding.If they make a sequel and keep the fun gameplay then I'm sure I'll like it.
>>719902947>ain't it
>>719919768the rpg elements of sotn are absolutely not required retard. the vania part just takes into account its map design and upgrade backtracking gameplay
>>719934004can always tell the faggot contrarians who think being negative will get them a gf apart by their opinion of hk and nine sols. hk = bad cuz popular, nine sols = good cuz it's not as popular and it's le /v/core. what a braindead retarded take. kill yourself
>>719934597I genuinely don't care what anyone thinks about Nine Sols. It is a great game. Gorgeous and reminds me of Stargate SG1. Also I'm married so no need for a girlfriend.
>>719920018>Anus of sorrowOpen Beta for portrait of ruin
I must be a fucking lunatic for playing nearly every MVs I owned on the joystick but it just feels more comfortable on my thumb than using it on the d-pad
>>719902947>out nowOri (both), Axiom Verge (both, more Metroid than vania), Guacamelee (both, especially if you have a friend for co-op), Nine Sols (chinese stargate), Metroid Dread (and Super Metroid/Fusion if you can handle retro), RabiRabi (if you need cute/coom/bullet-hell in your metroidvania), Castlevania (Aria of Sorrow & SoTN), Luna Nights (best Touhou and superb metroidvania, just a bit easy imo), Bloodstained RoTN (if you can get over the hideous 3D shit), Cave Story+ (a classic but not for everyone), Prince of Persia TLC (if you want more of a combat focus and significantly more casual exploration/platforming), Animal Well (yes really, genuinely exceptional, just 10 dollars overpriced), Sundered (if beauty is a requirement then this cannot be missed, stunning art), Momodora (great, has a little T/A and if you're a huehue you can flex your national pride here), and Blasphemous (both, these aren't perfect by any stretch and 2 fixes most of my problems with 1, but there just isn't much out there with this style and art, it is one of a kind). Missing tons but those are just the ones that stand out immediately in my mind.>not yet outUpcoming potential instant classic: Possessor(s) (if you missed the next fest demo I feel bad for you, maybe it will come back next month).
>>719934838Nah, I do joystick on some, d-pad on others and keyboard on a couple. Just depends on what is needed. Really platform focused shit I just use analog, 8-way firing metroidvanias I use d-pad and ones with bullet hell style bosses I just use a keyboard. The important thing is you have exquisite tastes by being a metroidvania enjoyer. Whatever works man.
Monster Sanctuary.
>>719930143Ender Lilies is incredibly boring. The lame soundtrack in particular made me quit.
Dread is my favorite of what I’ve played. Excellent platforming movement and level design, really well paced, and fun combat. Great to have a modern metroidvania that doesn’t inflate the playtime and have a bunch of boring lore drops as “rewards”, currency and vendor tedium, and rpg lite mechanics.
>>719903018That's not a Metroidvania, that's a Metroid-like, retard. Any game with a gun is a Metroid-like, and that includes A Robot Named Fight, Environmental Station Alpha, and Axiom Verge among others.
what do you guys think of Ultros?
>>719935726punny purple squid
Both Ori and rain World.
>>719936094rain world is not a metroivania, troon
>>719902947As a pokefag I like Monster Sanctuary
>>719936403Sure, if you say so.but why are you being so mean??
Within A Deep Forest
>>719936750Nothing, they are both extremely high quality indie games
>>719906991The world would be a better place if zoomers all vanished.
>>719934004It's barely a metroidvania. It's a linear sidescroller with some token backtracking. You have no meaningful choices in stage order because the necessary movement upgrades are gated by the story.
>>719921009Hollow Knight
>>719902947Ori and the will of the wispshttps://youtu.be/ClCW2A1355A?list=RDClCW2A1355A&t=268
