>26 years later >still hasn't been surpassed how did they do it?
>>719920119>posting the inferior versionsCome on. OP.
Did I slip into vr?
>>719920119>>719920230>zillennials
>>719920119the games would be so much better if they didn't fuck up the level curve so fucking bad.first 6 or 7 gyms have pokemon only level 20-30 or so and the final one is like 30-something.then the levels spike for the elite 4 when the strongest wild pokemon are not remotely close so the grind is shit.post game: you are greeted by level 3 pokemon.
>>719921059This. I save edit in infinite rare candies and give all my pokemon Lucky Eggs when I replay Johto games. I fucking love the game and the region, but god damn the grind in that game is painful.
>>719921059take it one day at a time and enjoy yourself nigga by hooking up with other trainers
>day and night cycle>radio>2 whole mapsSo much cool shit they had to nerf in gen 3
Without mentioning Kanto (which sucks in GS), what is good about these games?
>>719921521Nostalgia
>>719921521Music, atmosphere, locations, region, designs, content
>>719921059>the level curveoh god shut the fuck up
>>719920119Pfffffffffff
>>719921059>>719921191Dumbass complaint, gyms 5-7 can be done in any order it makes sense for all of them to be around the same level. Anyways you should never need to grind in a normal playthrough , every Pokemon game can be beaten with 0 EXP gained they are designed for children.
HEART and SOVL
>>719921521If you don't already know why then you're a stupid lizard brain sized fucking retard who should go back to watching JewTuber essays to reinforce your unoriginal shit taste.
>>719921650yeah I will concede that leveling and finding exp can be annoying but not impossible., but i also think the recent wave of hate came from that nuzlocke dudes that tries to bang through these games in like 5 hours which makes it so much worse. i really dont think gsc was meant to be rushed through and its fine because no other game plays like Gen 2. I love the world the daily events etc. its fun to just explore johto.
HGSS is just the quality you should expect from any standard JRPG, it only stands out because of how shit the rest of the series is
>Emerald>the remakes>BW>BW2>>719921748>>719921650The level curve is a genuine complaint and trying to pass it off as "durr just stop complaining" or "durr you're just parroting pokemon challenges" is fucking retarded. Fucking Kanto had an "open" area where you could do Koga/Sabrina in any order and the levels didn't end up so fucked. Every game I've played recently I ended up a little underleveled at the E4 but Johto is by far the worst. You can't even grind if you wanted to since the wild levels are so bad
>>719920119Every pokemon game has been surpassed by ROM hacks several times over
Amazing tie-in games
Gen 2 is so fucking peak. Crystal is oozing with so much soul it feels like a god tier romhack by people who genuinely love Pokemon.
>>719924017They took out Mareep line, which was a terrible decision especially given the amount of awful Johto mons and how some of them should have been in Johto like Houndour line, but nah in Kanto instead which makes no sense.
>>719920119Emerald best game, fight meI loved the first 8 badges in gold and silver but the second part was such a disappointment back then.Only cool thing was the last fight at the mountain
Also I'll just say that Gold losers completely lost on the version exclusives like lmao us Silver winners got Skarmory and Donphan line (who for some reason in localized versions swapped it with the Ursuring line). Lugia > Ho-Oh who couldn't even get his own movie kek.
4chan,I did it because I was a baller
>>719924315Dumb niggerbeast slop eater
>Average Johto chadGod I love gen 2
>>719921521You dont want an honest answer so you wont get one nigger
>>719924171Even peak Pokemon has flub ups. Given Ampharos used to be my favorite Pokemon I was quite saddened by that but I had a brother who didn't play on his gbc and gold and silver so I just traded for him. I also like the gen2 remakes in gen4 but it coddles you just a hair more than I'd like even for a Pokemon game.
>>719920119game would have been my favorite growing up if the battery in the cartriidge didnt fucking die
>>719924414>no argumentsthat's what I thought bitch, emerald reigns supreme
>>719926212emerald got rid of medicham tho
>>719920230You know how Gold had Ho-oh with Sacred Fire and Silver had Lugia with Aeroblast because they were lower level in their respected version?Crystal has them both at 60 without either move so the only way to get the moves is the move reminder in Stadium 2.
>>719920119>worst starter trio of the entire franchise>awful level curve without even factoring in the branched paths section>new mons suck and/or are locked to the last 10% of the game>KAAAAANTOOOO is poorly copypasted and extremely blandThey were awful. They fixed most of the bugs and had a few more conveniences, but design-wise they were vastly inferior to gen 1. It's not until gen 3 that GF finally got its shit together and locked in to make good games for a longlasting moneyprinting franchise. Then in gen 6 they realized they succeeded and didn't have to put effort in anymore.
>>7199201191. baby game that you shouldn't be playing above 132. the remakes are objective improvements that remove the jewy nature of the originals>half ass kanto region so that people will still be forced to buy red and blue
>>719920119it's peak
>>719920119>>719920230>>719921059>Mogged by RSE in gameplay AND aesthetics AND console tie-in games >Ash STILL lost the Johto League to a Blazikenbleak for johtoids>>719921059You forgot the horrible kanto gym leader levels, lower than the prior major fights, wtf were they thinking? Then Red randomly spikes 30 levels above you>>719921521Only the visuals and Stadium 2 connectivity, which is still worse than the gen 3 equivalents>>719924017>it feels like a god tier romhackWtf are you on about? It literally adds nothing relevant. No one plays Crystal battle tower. No Mareep is bleak too. >>719924332>Skarmory and Donphan lineBoth are shit until gen 3 despite being Johto mons.
>>719929748 It's peak if your definition of peak is wandering through grass for 20 minutes just to find anything worth catching, getting bodied by trainers 10 levels above you for no reason, and then ending the game against a final boss who's triple the level of Kanto’s gym leaders. Johto oozes soul, yeah, but it’s also the peak of "cool ideas, garbage execution." Half your dex is Kanto 'mons, and somehow the champion forgets to exist in Crystal. But hey, at least the music still slaps.
>>719921521Artstyle, music, locations, mysterious shit. It really is the peak of pokemon
>>719920119>shit pokemon and type distribution; at least a third of the new mons are inaccessible until the very end of the game, also enjoy having exactly 1 dark type before kanto lol>terrible plot that ends with anticlimactic battle against a literal who admin who doesn't even get a name until the equally as shit remake 11 years later>most gym leaders don't even use the new Pokemon>elite 4 starts at level 40, not only making it the lowest elite 4 start by 6 levels, but meaning that you wont be able to use some of your favourite pokemon (ex Dragonite) until half way through the postgame without sweeping every gym>evolution item distribution is terrible>still fighting level 25 shitmons in the grass all the way through the postgame kanto>Kanto is barren as fuck with most things gutted outright and the gyms are a cakewalkI struggle to think of anything good about them. Johto is poorly designed dogshit and Crystal is easily gamefreak’s laziest singular release. Fixed fuckall flaws from the original GoySlop, added some little gay animated sprites, removed Mareep, and gutted half the Japanese exclusive content before localizing it (gs ball, online support, etc).Shit games with trash pokemon in a boring region made up entirely of small linear grassy routes and unrewarding caves, full of underleveld Kanto mons from the first route to just before you’re fighting Red, awful encounter methods, horrible evo stone distribution. The only people who defend these trash games are fat balding retards who played it when they were 3.
All the music is good, not one song sucks in this gen. Meanwhile gen3 is trumpet earrape
>>719930046All fixed by Crystal Legacy
>>719930081Hoenn music is some of the best in the series, but it becomes a meme by boomer genwunners just because it is themed well to its region.
>>719930168it was complained about when the games released, people hated it
>>719930081The soundtrack is literally beep boop 8-bit "music" like all GB games. Gen 3 has better music by default just by being able to simulate instruments
>>719920119the key to gold and silver was that it was additive. Later pokemon games took features away, they took pokemon away, they took locations away. Gold and silver expanded upon everything without taking any steps backwards. It made it feel like each game was going to be about uncovering more and more of the world, with more new pokemon and new features and new places to see. It was a hopeful game. The approach after Gold and Silver was to take 2 steps back for every step forwards. They got way too lazy.
>opponent sends out Zapdosyour response?
>>719930374Send out Quagsire
>>719921059this has always been a completely retarded take, the specific numbers don't mean anything, it's the underlying scaling that matters, and GS was great
>>719930374Blissey >>719930426>what is Hidden Power
>>719921521Kanto is the best, I love that you get to see the region again from a new perspective after a timeskip. I wish they had done that in future games
>>719922179yeah it's literally just nuzlocke retards who don't realise they need to adjust the rules of their challenge run to suit the game instead of just expecting to port over rules and hoping they'll work fine. They get lazy and then blame the game instead of coming up with a good ruleset, it's so fucking braindead
>>719920119>game where your character is barely intelligible pixels you can count with one hand is more immersive and feels more alive than AAAA games of todayhow is it possible?
>>719920119Gen 2 is fucking dogshit and is significantly worse than RBY. The fact that all anyone talks about is going to a mutilated version of the first game says it all.
G2 is more japanesey so I like it more.
>>719930719I feel that way too. Johto actually feels like it's set in Japan
>>719930663As a millennial I liked both, and I remember the game feeling more polished at the time. That's probably lost on someone playing it decades later at 20x upscaling on 2000 nits bright OLEDS though.
>>719930663Literally nothing is worse than RBY, the game barely functions, retarded Special stat, guaranteed crits (which can be detrimental due to ignoring stat boosts), all stat interactions are glitched due to badge boost, broken sleep mechanic, broken capture mechanics, god awful pokemon, fire types are useless, dog shit menuing, dog shit quality of life, easiest game in the series
>>719930316gen 3 basically reinvented Pokemonthe only thing that it's missing compared to gen 2 is a day and night cycle but otherwise it has more content and 10x as much complexity
>>719929932calm down unc
>>719930957Day/night cycles are cool but extremely annoying to play around, especially when they match real life time. It's not fun having to wait 6 hours to do what you want to do. Gen 4 made that even worse with fucking day specific events and holidays affecting weather and other nonsense. Hoenn actually did have a clock that was used for growing berries and the eevee evolutions, which is much more tolerable.
>>719921059>>719921191I dont remember grinding at all in pokemon
>>719921059dumbest complaint ever. Unless you are a drooling retard with 6 magikarps you should never have trouble in a pokemon game unless you are dodging trainers like a retard
>>719931142>annoying to play aroundi agree, but i also love night time. i'm sure they could've found a mechanically way around its annoyancesmaybe some TM that wakes up nocturnal mon during the day similar to sweet scent>Gen 4 made that even worse with fucking day specific events and holidays affecting weather and other nonsense.i basically quit pokemon around this time so i don't know much about this. Hoenn also had day specific events. they were triggered by like a 1/400 chance after a battle and then would happen on specific days. nothing too important though besides the blend master maybe. i actually liked the day specific stuff in Crystal, it made the game feel more alive like animal crossing or an MMO. but the morning/noon/night specific mon were pretty annoying to wait for
>>719920119>how did they do it?More like "why did they do it?" have you not seen the latest pokemon games? They've completely given up and it just gets worse with every addition.
>>719920119Pvre unmitigated SOVL
>>719931142>worse with fucking day specific events and holidays affecting weather and other nonsenseit takes like 20 seconds to change the time on a ds lol. exploiting the rtc for gen 3 is 10000x gayer on original hardware
>>719920119The real question to ask is why haven't pokemon games improved at all?
Gamefreak is lazy for second region designs
>>719929873>and aestheticsGen 3 is the worst looking out of the 2D games
>>719930796I'm 33. I thought Gen2 sucked then and I think it sucks now.>>719930874>bugsYou would never encounter nor notice any of these things in a regular playthrough. Not only that anybody who has played any amount of old RPGs would tell you bugs are the norm even for devs 100 times more competent than GF.>god awful pokemonThe overall power of gen 1 mons is higher than in Gen 2. In fact, Gen 1 mons are usually better than many Gen 2 mons in their own gen.>fire types are uselessFire types are fine and the premier fire types like Charizard and Arcanine can easily carry you.>dog shit menuing, dog shit quality of lifeActually agree. Bag menu, box system, no TM names, and item capacity are legitimately awful.>easiest game in the seriesThe easiest game is either XY or GSC if you don't count Red.
>>719929873YWNBAW
>>719931889i'd probably agree but that doesn't mean it looks bad. they added water reflections, weather effects, the sprites are nice, footprints, more detailed npcs, more varied environments both on land and on-/under water, etc.playing Emerald rn and it's prettier than i remembered
>>719931889delusional
>>719930874>Sub 30 year olds larping that they actually played gen 1 episode 32948729874Guaranteed crits are fun, hyper beam no recharge on faint is fun, 1/256 miss is hilarious occasional chaos, and none of the other bugs you could ever bring up matter in an average playthrough
Ultra sun and moon are the best Pokemon games
>>719920119They're actual sequels
>>719934065They're probably my second place games after GSC
>>719923652>The level curve is a genuine complaintshut the fuck up retard
>>719920732>t. 42yo shitlennial mad at young and virile 30yo zillennial chads
>>719934698>levels of the 5-7 gyms are all the same so the second you finish one the other two are gonna give you shit for exp so you'll feel like you're making no progress at all>on the 8th gym which only has a single route before it all of a sudden the levels jump up by about 7>so now you're underleveled with no way to make up the difference because the mons in one of the end game routes are still level 20 for whatever fucking reason, as are the trainers>the jump from 8th gym to victory road also isn't that full of trainers so you're gonna be high 30s at best for the elite 4>the same elite 4 that's the lowest leveled in the entire series>when you're at the same level that majority of other games are at by the 6th gym or soThe fact you're just saying "shut the fuck up retard" instead of even trying to defend it just shows you have no argument and are in denial of the glaring flaw the games haveAnd look I fucking loved Johto but this isn't something you can ignore. No game is perfect, each one has at least one big flaw that keeps it from being so, and the level curve is for GSC/HGSS
Unironically how do you deal with the awful level curve after Ecruteak city?
>>719935306You just make do. Don't swap out mons, stick to whatever you have, and maybe fight every single wild battle as well as trainer. Honestly it does make the game more challenging in a way which is something. Taking on Lances 3 Dragonite at a 14 level deficit is pretty intense
Is it worth playing Sacred Gold to avoid this, or is it another one of those hacks that give trainers perfect IV/EV Pokemon?
>>719921191You didnt beat the game
>>719935456I have never in all my playthroughs of GSC and HGSS had my starter unevolved by the time I reached the E4.
>>719924332>Ho-Oh who couldn't even get his own movie kekNONONONONON HO-OHBROS, NOT LIKE THIS!
>>719935561He doesn't do the stupid "kaizo" difficulty but I think he does give the boss trainers more Pokemon, even at the start. So expect Falkner with more than 2 mons and so on.I can't remember if he scripted it to make it so you have to do that post Ecruteak sequence in a certain order>>719935650I fought every single trainer in the game during that run. It's likely more cause I was using the pseudo-legendary which level up extremely slow and I always try to have everyone at the same level. There's a hard limit on exp if you're only fighting trainers and if one mon constantly needs twice as much to level up than everyone else the levels of the team will suffer from itFunny enough if Johto had the exp all system that newer games have the level curve might not be so bad
>>719920732chudlets
>>719920119Being a kid and blindly discovering that there was an entire other continent was fucking insane
>>719935306I've been playing through SoulSilver myself and this is what I've done>Make sure to go to all the optional areas to fight trainers>Fight all the wild Tentacool/cruel on the way to Cianwood, they give out pretty good EXP>Add everyone on the Pokegear to get rematch procs occasionally and give you more grinding options if you get stuck>Victory Road, the route east of Mahogany Town and the Waterfall patch of grass on the route west of Cianwood are good spots to train on wilds if neededHit the E4 at around 39-40 and ended up having to go to 45 to beat Lance because my team was kinda terrible against him in particular (Hitmonchan/Ninetales/Xatu/Meganium/Nidoqueen/Cloyster)
Falkner: Hoot-hoot, NoctowlBugsy: Spinarak, Pineco, LedianWhitney: Snubull, MiltankMorty: Gastly, Haunter, Gengar, MisdreavusChuck: Hitmontop, HeracrossJasmine: Magnemite, Forretress, SteelixPryce: Sneasel, Delibird, PiloswineClair: sameEvery bad decision would've been overlooked if they didn't fuck up the gyms so much. The game is all about the new mons, but most of them are hard to find, and you only get to see them in the endgame. Showcasing them through the gyms would keep the interest high l.
How did you guys hear about the duplicate trick? I think I saw it on gamefaqs or supercheats. Probably supercheats.
>>719937240School rumors.
Yes they have. I'd put Platinum, BW and B2W2 above either HGSS and GSC. Even Emerald.Having a second region is nice but Kanto was ultimately a fairly shallow experience even in the remakes and outside of that the games aren't as good as gen3, other gen 4 games and gen 5.And just because I prefer other games that doesn't mean I dislike GSC or HGSS, they're still ludokino, just not of the highest order.
>>719931889gen 3 is the reason why i fell out of pokemon gamesgen 2 will always be the best gen
>>719921191Your Pokemon have EVs and can hold items. NPCs don't have EVs at all and they don't carry items. By being underleveled the playing field is even.
>>719930874>OH NO BUG CATCHER BLIMMYS CATERPIE USED STRINGSHOT ON MY CHARMANDER SO INSTEAD OF 20 ATK I HAVE 22>AND WHATS THIS IM GETTING GUARANTEED DOUBLE DAMAGE FROM CRITS MOVES!?!?>BUT IF I USE MY ONE SWORDS DANCE TM ON ONE OF THE SIX MONS THAT CAN LEARN SWORDS DANCE AND SLASH THEN THERE IS >15% CHANCE ILL LOSE 30 DAMAGE!!!>AAAIIIIEEEEE IM LOSING MY MIND SAVE ME NINTENDO
>>719929440Yeah no shit that's because GS were internally just Pokemon 2. They were meant to be sequels to RGY like Black and White 2.
>>719935456No, sticking with what you got is the easy way out. Trying to bring in a new member in the mid-late is mindnumbingly tedious if its not something like Red Gyarados because you have NOTHING good to level off of & you're going to end up depriving your already existing roster of exp they'd otherwise get from any trainer battles used in training a new pokemonAnd THAT is the real problem with the level curve some people in this thread can't comprehendIf anything, it feels perfectly fine if you DON'T swap anyone out
Everything after them surpassed them thoughbeit
>>719939007Of course if your goal is to just get through the main quest none of that will matter because the games are so easy. But if you play romhacks or against other people you quickly notice how shit and broken first gen is. On the other hand later gens especially Gen 4 onwards are a joy to play in romhacks because of how fucking good Pokemon battling mechanics are at that point.
>>719920230>>719920119I would argue these and Black And White 2 are the ultimate versions of Pokemon most should play.
>>719921059>Why is a game made for kids EASY I JUST CANT GET ITJesus lol Pokemon is meant to be for kids and adults. Asking why it's not meant to be hard or easy depending on the grind is just pointless.
>>719931142>Day/night cycles are cool but extremely annoying to play around, especially when they match real life timeYou're supposed to just pick up and play the game whenever, not autistically grinding it out for hours on end.
>>719939491How can you pick the ultimate Pokemon experience with games without a Battle Frontier? If you had to pick just one game to play, either Emerald or Platinum would be the most representative of the series and the most comprehensive.
gen2 is garbage
>>719939708The only real experience is trading and battling others at launch and you can't do that with those games.
>>719939708PWT is good for what it is.Battle Frontier was peak though, I'm still shocked we haven't seen the return of a facility like battle factory since it requires 0 time from the player building teams, its just straight battles with a roguelike aspect.Feel like the average gamer nowadays would eat that shit up like candy
>>719921191>johto>grindwatjust exclusively train your starter and you'll have no problems, unless you choose chikorita
>>719939578But the other games don't have that problem so GF was clearly cognizant enough to deem it important to fix. If GF was, at least at the time, retarded or it was never a problem, they wouldn't go through the trouble of making sure it never happened again.
>>719939487It doesn't matter for romhacks. 90% of the time the creator knows and either patches them out or balances around them. Even if they didn't it wouldn't matter. No npc is going to be spamming leer at you in a romhack for you to abuse, so if you decide that you want to spam defense curl for stat boosts or to exploit stacking status debuff (which is only relevant in extremely niche situations) that's on you. Also the difference between a crit move and +2 attack is non existent. You'd have to be in an already winning situation to be able to nab multiple boosts for it to matter.>Sandslash Body Slam vs. Starmie on a critical hit: 131-155 (40.5 - 47.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO>Possible damage amounts: (131, 132, 133, 133, 134, 134, 135, 136, 136, 137, 137, 138, 139, 139, 140, 141, 141, 142, 142, 143, 144, 144, 145, 145, 146, 147, 147, 148, 148, 149, 150, 150, 151, 151, 152, 153, 153, 154, 155)>Sandslash Body Slam vs. Starmie on a critical hit: 131-155 (40.5 - 47.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO>Possible damage amounts: (131, 132, 133, 133, 134, 134, 135, 136, 136, 137, 137, 138, 139, 139, 140, 141, 141, 142, 142, 143, 144, 144, 145, 145, 146, 147, 147, 148, 148, 149, 150, 150, 151, 151, 152, 153, 153, 154, 155)As for competitive badge boosts don't exist and stat redrops are incredibly niche. Status not applying their stat drops on switch is the only legitimately bullshit in the game and if you don't like it the official Gen 1 battle sim, Pokemon Stadium, fixes literally every bug.
>>719940987oops copy pasted the same damage calc twice>+2 Sandslash Body Slam vs. Starmie: 136-160 (42.1 - 49.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKOPossible damage amounts: (136, 136, 137, 138, 138, 139, 139, 140, 141, 141, 142, 143, 143, 144, 144, 145, 146, 146, 147, 148, 148, 149, 149, 150, 151, 151, 152, 153, 153, 154, 154, 155, 156, 156, 157, 158, 158, 159, 160)
I can understand liking the vibes of GS with the fall and more rural japan theming and I have nostalgia for it myself but god every time I go to replay it I want to shoot myself because I'm so bored.
>>719920119>best games got best remakehow did they do it?
>>719939708>Battle FrontierWHO CARES.>random rng quick claw Walrien just sheer colded your ass and you lost 7 hours of progressWow so fun.
>>719941186WHERE THE FUCK IS IT
my NS2 collecting generational dust until ZA in November
>>719941409that games look so ass, no idea why anyone is looking forward to it. Legends Arceus mogs the shit out of it
>>719941556Unique setting. I'd rather run around a giant city catching pokémon in gas stations and dumpsters than running around a giant open field for the 18th time. Real time battling looks cool but if it runs as well as the gameplay looked then it wont be pretty
>>719929873>aestheticsgen 3 is like the second worst 2d game, only beaten by gen 1s really bad pokemon sprites outside of yellows revisions>console tie in gamesgen 3 being the most jewish gen in the entire franchise so far is not a good thing bro
>>719941409waiting on Air riders and ZA, I wish they'd give PLA a switch 2 upgrade it could use the framerate boost
>>719921521For me, it was the last time Pokemon felt truly mysterious
>>719943076What was mysterious about it?
>>719943103The unknown, having the roaming legendaries for the first time, the ruins, being able to explore an entire region as the post game. It made you feel like there was a lot of world to discover instead of a roadmap to strictly follow.
>>719943398>feelevery time
>>719943490Yes I feel up your mother every time we meet, but that’s not pertinent to the conversation.
>>719943076>>719943398Unown were cool, gen 4 had a lot of mystery with them and the creation trio. I wonder why they don't come up as often anymore maybe they're just an only in pokemon-japan since new regions seem to not have any unown presence
>>719930468Gen 5 buddy
>>719921521actually being proud to be Pokemon II. Every game after GSC is afraid of being an actual sequel. We still don't have Pokemon III
>>719921748>gyms 5-7 can be done in any order it makes sense for all of them to be around the same level. Ok? How does that make it good for the wild mons of the postgame region to be level 5? Nobody really complains about the trainers"Dumbass"
>>719939350I love Jasmine so much its unreal
>>719946930>adult womanShe's the type of chick Chris Hansen uses as bait.
>>719930278>I cannot comprehend music beyond its material soundbig sign of small iq
>>719930081the only bad one is dragon's den https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqvJ7I0DYQg
>>719920119>still hasn't been surpassedGen 3 > Gen 2.
>>719946930Jasmine is what all trans women should shoot for.
>>719948589gen 3 was a step down outside of adding abilities and double battles
>>719924017Replayed Crystal via the 3DS version recently and it really was super comfy. I do think the complaints about pacing/level spread are valid but the mood and features make up for it. Capped it off by shiny hunting for the GS Ball Celebi which I succeeded in, my first ever full odds soft reset shiny hunt.
>>719948969Gen 3 > Gen 2. It wasn't up for debate retard.
>>719948969yeah, huge step down. it was where they stopped trying. Considering how successful the games were they should have been able to keep taking steps forward with the franchise. Was really disappointing how much stuff from gen 2 that they cut. These days though considering how ass pokemon games have been since, gen 3 actually seems pretty good. But at the time I was so disappointed.
>>719949207You're wrong, that's not a debate retard.
>>719949501I wouldn't say they stopped trying just yet but yeah losing a ton of gen 2 stuff, then not having trading between 2 and 3 to make people have to spend absurd amounts of money on extra consoles and games just to get the old pokemon really leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
>>719943398It wasn't just that, it was also the fact that new pokemons were added and they completed the old pokedex. The pokescience was a mystery and you were a researcher discovering new evolutions to old pokemon you thought couldn't evolve. You could come back to some caves later on and discover new things, including a Lapras, a rock to evolve into Slowking, a couple of trainers hidden, that fighting pokemon that turn into hitmonlee, hitmonchan, or hitmontop. The world felt alive and full of possibilities.
>>719951721theres always gonna be some faggot in these threads that says the day of the week events are bad because they will miss some shit or whatever but thats part of the charm, playground rumor shit about finding a lapras in union cave but no one else found it there when they checked
>>719951721This. People like to bring up the Johto mons that were relegated to the endgame and I get it, but I thought it was cool how you were still discovering new species in Kanto instead of just running into the same guys you saw in Red/Blue.
>>719951969johto mons being relegated to endgame was basically because its pokemon 2, the new pokemon were "newly discovered" and not just native to the new region so they are rare and hard to find and in old places, they were always in kanto but they just weren't found in the first game, its sequel shit instead of reboot shit
>>719951969>>719952040There wasn't that many of them locked in Kanto.
>>719920732What do they eat?
>>719948589 Gen 3 is peak aesthetics and battle mechanics, but Gen 2 utterly mogs it in atmosphere and world design. You go from little Azalea to big ass Kanto like it's nothing. Radio stations, day/night cycle, phone calls, a functioning safari zone (kinda), and Battle Tower all before the GBA even existed. Gen 3 felt sterile by comparison. Warm colors and trumpets don’t make up for soulless towns and half a dex being unusable until postgame.
>>719920119They didn't design it around the idea of it being a soft reboot for an everlasting series.
>>719954039>Murkrow>Misdreavus>Slugma>Magcargo>Houndour>Houndoom>Larvitar>Pupitar>Tyranitar>Lugia(Ho-oh in Silver)That's 10% of the dex. More if you exclude Celebi and all of the babies you likely won't encounter.
>>719920119wish more pokemon game allowed you to go back to the previous region
>>719921059a child can beat these games...
>>719957971Ok and a child went to harvard at 11 so you can do that too huh?
>>719958626are you being serious ?its a childrens toy
>>719920119Any time anyone says they're the 'worst in the series' you know the person behind the post is an apologist for Gens 3-5, jealous of Gen being considered the best for 20+ years. This image is a good checkmate to put them in their place.
>>719920230nah>>719920119there was too much soul before they switched team leads and the new lead couldn't erase the soul
>>719921521>>719921551you get to use gen 1 shitmonsit's a whole new world gen 1 and gen 2 monssemi nonlinearshit you did in the first game had an impact on the second game
>>719943103nonlinear areas, the unknown stuff never really gets explained and it's before the soft reboot and the lore was sanitized so you still had the could rough edges of RB and the very, very early anime
>>719939708>EmeraldNumerous shitty HMs you're forced to use? Pre-PSS retardation? Not bad but still mediocre graphics when a lot of other GBA games looked way better at the time? Lack of QoL features (reusing a Repel right away, using healing items in succession...) that were already overdue? Potentially encountering wild mons every 2 steps because the encounter rate is fucked?>PlatinumNumerous shitty HMs you're forced to use? The game being slow as shit for no reason whatsoever? The worst weather ever created in the history of this franchise (fog)? Encountering the same Kantomons we've already seen a thousand times before (Zubat, Geodude, Machop, Magikarp)? Unnecessary babymons?"Representative of the series" indeed.
>>719929440>>worst starter trio of the entire franchiseeat shit>>new mons suck and/or are locked to the last 10% of the gamebecause it was pokemon 2 and gens 3 on were doing soft reboots
>>719921059Thats actually attributes of SOVL. Not problems
>>719921059do levels even matter if you have stat buffs from gym badges
>>719960435The "level curve" argument is flawed to begin with when you consider how easy GSC were overall. You can argue it's more of a problem in HGSS, which is a bit harder, but it's only really a big deal if your team mostly or entirely comprises shitmons.
>>719920119>Most of the new pokemon are locked behind post game KANTOOOYeap. Gen 1 wins again
>>719960926>Most of the new pokemon are locked behind post gameHoundour, Slugma, Murkrow, Misdreavus, Sneasel (except Crystal), and Larvitar. Even if I forget some, that's still about ten at most, out of 100 new pokemon. It's okay, anon, you'll learn how to count eventually.
>>719960926>Make a new type>All of them are post game monsFucking horrendous design choices all around
>>719921059And there it is, the "le level curve" idiot. An entire four posts in. You shouldn't believe everything youtubers say.
>>719961284>blissey>porygon 2>houndour >houndoom>larvitar>pupitar>tyranitar>murkrow>dunsparce>slugma>magcargo>elekid/magby, can randomly get 1 in crystal out of a pool of 7>scizor is practically impossible to get before kanto>>719959340i like how you can apply 90% of this to crystal but im supposed to think its good because...uh....it just is ok!
>>719923652There was literally no-one in 2000 whining about level curves. It was never mentioned anywhere before some youtuber came up with it analyzing the game using "science"
Of the five dark type lines: houndoom, murkrow, tyranitar, sneasel and umbreon... only umbreon is technically accessible in johtoThe new dark type... is practically exclusively post game in it's debutThe new steel type is just barely better.Skarmory is not in gold at all and only after gym 8 with zero trainer rep in the entire game. It's distribution is so poor, most players mistake it for being a Gen 3 Pokemon.Steelix and Scizor are trade evos blocked until Kanto unless you knew to use thief on Magnemites.Forretress is not steel until evolution and hidden behind headbutting trees exclusively.Magnemite is the only feasible steel type to get in a playthrough, and it's a rehash from Kanto with the new type.The only 2 new fighting types are Heracross, which is behind Headbutt trees, and Hitmontop, only available after the 8th gym with a convoluted evolution methodFire types are also pretty bad. The 2 new lines, Houndour and Slumga, are both postgame exclusive. The Fire stone which can be used to evolved Growlithe/Vulpix/Eevee is locked to the postgame. Ponyta is only available after the 8th gym.
>>719921059nobody ever said anything like this until recently
>>719920119It's obviously been beaten by romhacks.
>>719961736>barely more than 10Point still stands, big guy.
>>719923652>I ended up a little underleveled at the E4Oh boo hoo the last enemies in the game aren't an automatic win.Let me tell you how the grinding was done when we were men while being kids: we bashed our heads against the Elite 4 and every time we got a little bit further it was an exciting new thing. This is likely something you are physically unable to understand so don't be too hard on yourself.
Pokemon died for me the moment the Dexcut happened. I don't hate it conceptually, but the idea that I have to pay a monthly or annual subscription to keep my pets in a bank ruined the whole thing for me.I wish there was an open-source Pokemon bank where you can deposit rom Pokemon into it. That'd be fun.
>>719920119HG/SS was the absolute peak of the entire series
These games suck and might be the most overrated games of the early 2000s.
>>719962015>I wish there was an open-source Pokemon bank where you can deposit rom Pokemon into it. That'd be fun.There is.
>>719958974That image is about as accurate as you can get for something as subjective as ranking vidya games
>>719962015Just keep them in the original games they’re in? Why would you pay for Home if you don’t actively play the new games?
>>719939708Unovafags aren't actually capable of objective thought, they just want to shill Unova wherever they can and pretend they fit in
>>719951897I think a lot of the time based events are cool ideas and make the world feel lived in, but the issue is it runs on real time instead of an in universe calendar. Waiting a week for a chance to do something is just aids.
>>719962868It wasn't bad when you would play a Pokemon for months or years, but it goes at odds with modern replays where people will plow through the game in a day or two.
>>719962567Oh, what's it called?>>719962791I don't actively play, but I probably would if Home didn't gimp me
>>719923652>The level curve is a genuine complaintNo it isn't, it's an e-celeb psyop to poison the well and give Game Freak an excuse to not have to remake a game as big as GSC/HGSS.
>>719962998PKHeX lets you build a database of Pokemon from saves you open with it.
>>719961736>>dunsparcefound in dark cave>>magbybreed magmar, found in burned tower (though not in crystal)>>scizor is practically impossiblebut still possible
>>719962945>modern playersI had issues with it back in the day too. I wanted a goddamn scyther, but had to wait a week everytime my dumbass failed.
>>719961985He's a Unovatard. He thinks the perfect game design equates to being equally leveled to every NPC and never experiencing any challenge ever.
>>719963023GSC do have a genuine problem with the level curve. All of the Kanto leaders are weaker than the Elite Four, then Red is a 30-level jump when there is nothing else left to do.
>>719958974>tendie slop in the top 10 kek
>>719963108The Bug-catching contest happened 3 times a week.
>>719963108>I wanted a goddamn scyther, but had to wait a week everytime my dumbass failed... In GSC? You do know the Bug-Catching Contest happens several times in a week and you can always save before and reset if you fail, right?
>>719960926>>719961736Please stop lying, we have played the games, we know GSC has the best distribution of any Pokemon game.
>>719963127>what is a video game boss battle Also, are you just using the same 6 Pokemon on your journey and then NOTHING else? Because if so, there's your problem.
>>719923652>the remakesvomitchan.jpg
>>719963291You only get one of Lugia or Ho-oh before postgame.Elekid is only available early if you are playing Crystal.Tyrogue is only available literally right before the Elite Four.
>>719963291>Remoraid and Octillery>PostgameHuh?
>>719963347>are you just using the same 6 Pokemon on your journey and then NOTHING else?older pokemon games (gen 1-5) were meant to be played like that.
>>719963420>older pokemon games [FANFIC]
>>719963382both are soul.
>>719963347>are you just using the same 6 Pokemon on your journey and then NOTHING else?No, I usually like to change up my entire team before going into Kanto. If I just stuck with 1 party, Red would be way easier. You either choose between Kanto providing literally 0 resistance, or Red being a grindy slog with nothing in between.
>>719963210>>719963282How would I know as a kid? If I did the contest on Thursday and went back on Friday I would be barred from going and the concept of resetting to do it again wasn't something 6 year old fully understood.Still don't get why you're defending time gated content. Imagine playing an rpg and you're told you can't get the best weapon today and you have to 3 irl days to obtain it.
>>719963419Yeah that one is wrong, he should be in 'Readily Available'
>>719963347No one’s going to spend 3 hours leveling up Houndour and Larvitar to breeze through the boating and easy as fuck Kanto when they already have a team
>>719963420>-5I love how unovafags always have to specify this because otherwise no one will think gen 5 is an old gen kek
>>719963382>SOVLSilverSilverCHADS can't stop winning.
>>719963504Bullshit.
>>719920119HG/SS surpasses it simply by having pokewalkerEmerald is kinda sorta ok too
>>719920119It was the last one made by tajiri
>>719963507>waaahhh Red is too hard for me to beat with lvl 40s You're bad at the game, then. >>719963420[headcanon]
>>719963518>How would I know as a kid?By word of mouth, magazines... or the Internet, depends on when you played it.
>>719963586Game Boy games, especially Gen 1, make them look like actual monsters
>>719963291>All the cool mons locked to the very end of the game or postgameYeah, it's shit.
>Want to play Gen 2 again>Remember that it has some issues that my jaded adult brain would probably be unable to ignore unlike my whimsical child brain>Look up to see if someone didn't make a romhack to address those issues exactly>They did, in fact several people did and there are multiple romhacks that do just thatShit like this is what romhacks are actually for
>>719963518The game literally tells you.
>>719963617Show your no-item completion of him with level 40s, then.
>>719963708And, the funny thing here is that any small inconvenience you might have can be fixed with a hack. Meanwhile, Gens 3-9 cannot b improved in any notable way with just a hack, because their problems are at the very core of the design. Therefore, Gens 1-2 are the best, objectively.
>>719963873What problems with gen 3?
>>719941313They are too busy trying to sue better and more creative game devs. Prease undelstand!
>>719963708Polished Crystal is basically a Godsend.
>>719963873Its funny Gen 2 needs the most QoL hacks because its objectively dogshit and the worst generation
>>719963790>no item
>>719964032That's how I like to play. Any fight is trivial when you can spam full restores and x items.
>>719920119Gold and Silver were the only Pokemans games I've played. Well a lot anyway. I did play Red and Yellow for a bit though. Is there anything more comfy than Goldenrod City at night?
>>719963420Older Pokemon games were meant to be played with your starter and 5 revive sluts
>>719963632>word of mouth1st grader do not give proper information anon. It was shit like "I got him easy AND I got scyrexer who has six arms and can kill other pokemon, haha" or "I'll trade you one for your starter">MagazinesGuides are cheating>InternetActually true. Why didn't little me look it up?>>719963727No child would even recognize that as a sign and walk up to it.
>>719963925>What problems with gen 3?Can't trade from GSC and RBY Can't catch half of the national dex without having to buy Colosseum, XD and FRLG Can't change the shitty sprites Can't change the soulless textures Can't change FRLG's shit music Can't change the dumb story of their being God Pokemon that can control the weather, ocean and land I mean, technically you could edit all of this out in a hack, but at that point you're not even playing the same game anymore.
>>719964353>Can't trade from GSC and RBY So?>Can't catch half of the national dex without having to buy Colosseum, XD and FRLG Fixable with hacks>Can't change the shitty sprites Fixable with hacks>Can't change the soulless textures Fixable with hacks>Can't change FRLG's shit music Fixable with hacks>Can't change the dumb story of their being God Pokemon that can control the weather, ocean and landOf course you can.
>>719964268Say what you want about the games but the aesthetics were undeniably maximal comfy. I wish Gamefreak tried even 1/10th as much with understanding color theory again.
>>719920119Pic related remains undefeated forever Pokemon has been on a slow downward spiral ever since they peaked at Gen 2
>>719964458Gens 6-8 are a marked upturn from 3-5 imo the focus on online multiplayer did a lot for the games
>>719964431>didn't read last sentence of my post L M A O >s-s-so??? GGs, if you can't understand why it's bad that I can't trade my mons from Gens 1 & 2 to Gen 3, you are incapable of understanding anything at all.
>>719921059huh that's weird,12yo me beat it just fine,surely you're a better gamer than a 12yο,anon
>>719920119>horrible level curve>shitmons everywhere>most new pokemon are babies>Kanto region is empty>most of the good mons are Pokemon exclusive>GS ball got shitcanned>>719920230This is the worst version though. You basically trade the box legendary for Suicune and then Ho-oh is impossible to catch without catching Raikou and Entei first, good luck with that btw, this game is a rare example of the third version being inferior, along with USUM.
>>719964458>put "official [shitty unmoderated confinement board]" on your bait image>retards will most likely gobble it up
>>719964578The rest of your post is retarded, because those are all minor complaints at best and the only major change would be that to the story.>if you can't understand why it's bad that I can't trade my mons from Gens 1 & 2 to Gen 3, you are incapable of understanding anything at all.How often have you actually used the time capsule in the past 20 years? Be honest.
>>719964353>Can't change the shitty sprites>Can't change the soulless textures>Can't change FRLG's shit musicThese are all just your terrible opinion
>>719964647Neither of those games are inferior, they're simply sidegrades at best. On the level of Yellow.Only Emerald and Platinum obsoleted their preceding versions.
glad to see gold&silver fans wont put up with nugen slander anymore, 2 or 3 years ago you would hear the poketuber nonsense about them regurgitated on here all the time, the worm has finally turned, thank god
>mfw I beat Silver with a German copy I found in the airportSure I am ESL but I knew some English,for some reason I thought it was russian and I made my mom translate it (they were forced to learn Russian during the communism era)
>>719964458>>719964560I thought gen 6 was ok too.It's honestly the last time I enjoyed a pokemon game and the first time I truly enjoyed a pokemon game since gen 2.
>>719964703Literally used in in Pokemon Stadium 2 yesterday lmao
>>719964921Proof?And if you make every Pokemon available in the game, there is almost no reason to trade. Hoenn has plenty of ways to fit in the first 386, too.
>>719929440>>worst starter trio of the entire franchiseDesign wise they were great mons. Stats wise they were worse copy/paste versions of gen 1.>>new mons suck and/or are locked to the last 10% of the gameBecause a whole other region existed outside of just Johto. I think the idea was that you'd get to around level 50 in Johto with far weaker pokemon (Gen 2 mons) and then as a reward you were allowed to use much stronger pokemon (Gen 1 mons). Then you'd take your pokemon that you leveled up from both regions and fight red as the true final battle. It makes sense to me as that's how I and other kids played it.
>>719964431>Fixable with hacksMost hacks/fangames have FRLG's terrible music, and even worse, they use it in other regions.
>>719965078It's still easily fixable. All of the gen 3 games have decomps.
Someone give me the best ways to play each game. I don't care for official. It can be romhack.i.e. I think the best way to play Emerald is Emerald Seaglass.
>>719957071This right here is one of the real problems of the franchise (outside of dex culling).
>>719965237Perfect Crystal is good, it just lets you get the trade evos without trades/you can catch all 251, plus other minor improvements.
>>719963518>How would I know as a kid?dude they literally tell you in game when the bug catching contests are lmao
>>719920119X and Y is actually the best of the series
>>719965237polished crystalrenegade platinumvolt white / blaze black 2
>>7199652371.) Play Pokemon Red or Blue2.) Play Pokemon Gold or Silver3.) Transfer your Pokemon from both games into Pokemon Stadium 2 for the N644.) Create your joint team and play through Pokemon Stadium 2
>>719958974It's said Top 100, not "Top 100 best"
>>719965360too be fair gen 2 kanto postgame is very VERY bare and there was more to do in BW postgame with those mons, thankfully HGSS gives you a lot of shit to do in postgame
>>719965043>It makes sense to me as that's how I and other kids played it.Everyone I knew just plowed through everything with their overleveled starter and a box legend lol
>>719965237Polished Crystal is probably the best way to play Gen II while still trying to keep the general feeling of the games.
>>719965360Based
>>719965795Remind me again, when can you actually capture Larvitar in Crystal?
Wojak posters are always wrong.
>>719964353>Can't change the dumb story of their being God Pokemon that can control the weather, ocean and landI didn't even think about this aspect much but damn. Pre-Gen 3 pokemon were just animals that at best only had supernatural powers on a localized level. Mewtwo having psychic powers, Ho-Oh only being able to create life within its respective tower; controlling the legendary beast trio as a result, and Lugia only being able to direct minor meteorological events, or birds in the anime.
Help me fill this out
>>719965543>and there was more to do in BW postgame with those monsYou played BW2 then. If you actually played BW you'd realize it started the trend of pokemon games having zero post-game outside of online features.
>>719965360although I agree with the image in a way, it's more that you cannot catch them before fighting the elite four, at which players expect to have access to all but legendary or mythical pokemonit's a fair expectation
>>719965687Lmao. I do that now but only because I don't have tons of time like I used to. Guess my friends and I were just a little more patient back then.
>>719966438Sinnoh- Renegade Platinum and the following pokemon patchKalos- Eternal X and Withering Yidk about gen 7, boring ass games
>>719966442>undella town>abyssal ruins>cynthia/morimoto/alder>lacunosa town>kyurem/landorus/volcarona>sages quest>black city/white forest>village bridge>battle subway
>>719966442I played both, BW1 still had half of the entire map to go through and the proper pokemon league champion
>>719966442Complementary to >>719966580Next bait, zoom-zoom.
>>719966715Concession accepted
>>719966438Put Rocket Edition under Kanto.
>>719966821>Rocket Edition>>719966561
>>719965795The endgame is when the credits roll. None of those mons are catchable in the actual game portion of the game, only in the shitty half-baked postgame when I already got sick of playing. All mons except for legendaries should be catchable during your Pokemon journey, not after.
>>719966786I'm on your side, dipshit
>>719966951sorry im a dumb esl
>>719966278The Pokemon devs have explicitly said none of the Pokemon are gods and the stories are just in universe beliefs with dubious basis, it’s just that western culture is largely dominated by evangelicals where written myth=historical fact
>>719967323Pokemon Gold/Silver Reforged could possibly go under Johto, with the caveat that it's based on pre-release Johto and doesn't resemble the final game at all. Up to you whether that counts, but I thought it was good regardless. I've also heard good things about Fool's Gold, which to my understanding is just Johto with recolored monsters, but I haven't played it.
>>719967143thats nice but PLA completely contradicts that lmao
>>719966580>>undella towntiny town that's only notable for the 1 (one) fight you have with Cynthia.>>abyssal ruinsA single diving section where you got what again? Oh that's right fucking nothing but some shit to sell at the pokemon center. Not even a single pokemon.>>cynthia/morimoto/alderall single fights that last maybe 10 minutes at most if you seriously suck at the game>>lacunosa townbare ass town with 0 things to do in aside from talk to random NPCs and get a gay flower>>kyurem/landorus/volcaronaOh boy, Legendaries like every single pokemon game>>sages questLmao. "Go all over the region and talk to 6 different NPCs for a... TM" Worthless quest and worthless rewards>>black city/white forest>Black cityOnly get to verse maybe 10 trainers, most of which only show up when they feel like it and 2 of them can't be battled again>White forestOnly get to catch maybe 10 different mons. It's like a safari zone if you only stayed in the starting area>>village bridgeah yes, only 3 one-time battles>>battle subwaycucked battle frontierLiterally every single thing in this game is just a worse version of what's in Black and white 2 or HGSS and below. If you were right Gamefreak wouldn't have made half the changes they did in BW2 as a course correction. These games were actually so shit they almost killed the franchise until X & Y came along, which was also trash but banked off of gen 1 nostalgia at just the right time.
>>719967423>which to my understanding is just Johto with recolored monstersEvery single mon has a different typing. There's also a postpostgame on Sevii Islands with all Gen 3 mons. And yeah it's gud
>>719967323Pokemon Clover should go under custom, it's our baby after all and even normalfag romhack sites reference it as one of the best.
>>719967143They hint multiple times in both the games and anime that these pokemon are able to tangibly alter the universe. What the fuck are you talking about Euromutt? Also >>719967429
>>719967559BW has the same amount of content as DP.RS was actually the poor one.
>>719967559>they almost killed the franchise until X & Y came alongXY only sold about 1 million more units than BW did, how did it save anything at all?
>>719967323Are there any good DS era romhacks that add extra regions or islands to explore?
>>719967593>>719967423
>>719967768For me BW hyped me up for XY, which was a bit of a disappointment but at least it wasn't SM. What a piece of shit.
>>719967559undella town has the rich family gauntlet
>>719967559>whataboutismNobody said the BW postgame was flawless, you goalpost-moving nigger. No matter how empty (You) may think it is, it still exists. There ARE things to do, new (old) monsters to collect and new battles. Make your hateboner for BW a bit less obvious.
>>719967323Debating if I'd recommend Vinemon or not. On the one hand it's extremely well done, on the other hand it's full of in-jokes to those streamers that would make zero fucking sense if you're not at least somewhat familiar with them.
Holy shit is the prismatic sun romhack guy a annoying faggot.Literally made every enemy post lvl 50 pokemon have +50stats for shit and giggles.What is wrong with these people?
>>719967928Streamers?
>>719967925When did I move the goalpost? An anon claimed that BW had a good post-game, I said it didn't, he came with his counter-point, I came with mine and added a little cherry on top. When the fuck did I move the goalpost you disingenuous dipshit? Hello! Tyrone, your EBT card doesn't activate until the 15th. Is that why you're so grumpy?
>>719968138>your EBT card doesn't activate until the 15thwtf mine doesn't get funds until the 20th.. lucky niggers
>>719963586It's just the sign the number of Pokemon was getting out of hand, and it had some design and spritework consequences. To this day, Gliscor is one of my least favorite Pokemon designs because of the horrible first impression his art render and sprite gave me. So boring, completely flat and symmetrical, which did the design no favors, and also, traced for the sprite. So fucking bad, they had to redo it for Platinum. As early as Gen 3's sprites not being animated till Emerald (and even then, it was just motion tweens) you could already tell the job of making so many sprites was turning into a monumental workload.
>>719967984It's a romhack based around streamers that used to be branded together under the name "Vinesauce", with the pokemon, NPCs, and events all based around injokes from them. It's objectively impressive but at the same time extremely niche, so it's in a weird spot.
>>719968260That sounds absolutely awful, thank you for the heads up
>>719967559>These games were actually so shit they almost killed the franchise until X & Y came along, which was also trash but banked off of gen 1 nostalgia at just the right time.Don't understand why you think that when BW sales are in line with the rest of the series after pokemania ended and if you count third games it did better than RSE.
>>719968138>claimed that BW had a good post-gamePlease, redirect me to the post that said precisely that it was "good" postgame. Oh, please, I'm waiting. Let's see that.
>>719968138show me where they said good postgame, they said there were things to do in comparison to the original GSC you genwaring retard
>>719967928>>719968260I wouldn't recommend it for that exact reason despite liking it myself. If you're not into Vinesauce you'll get pretty much nothing out of it besides being surprised at how much effort went into making everything and some of the cutscenes.
>>719967803Luminescent Platinum is bascially the only good game on the switch and its not even finished.
>>719968301Alright, I'll concede on that. I could've sworn Black and White 1 sold terrible last time I checked. Maybe I mixed it up with BW2 then.
>>719920230>further mogged by a romhackyou love to see it
>>719966075As soon as you get to Kanto, Celadon Game Corner
>>719968415What does it change? Their site doesn't have much
>>719966889>the endgame is when the credits roll So after Red then, thanks for clarifying
>>719968318>>719968347Lmaoo you nogs ran out of arguments so now you have to play semantics. Accuse me of being disingenuous when you're doing the same jewish tactics. Cry in pain while you stab me.
Gen 1 is the best. The rest are for pedophiles
>>719968676The credits roll after you beat Lance. If they happen to roll a second time that's just extra fluff but that doesn't make it part of the game.
>>719967803Orange islands is getting a remake
>>719968693Look at this fucking faggot, shitting his pants in his little corner, nowhere to run off to, no counter-argument. This was about if BW had content after Ghetsis from the start. There is, nobody claimed it was particularly good, but you tried to make us think otherwise. You lost.
>>719946930cute
>>719968608lmao
>>719931889That’s Gen 4, where most of the assets are clearly preliminary and they have that disgusting nuclear green grass everywhere.
>>719967803>Blaze Black/Volt White 2 ReduxGayshit
>>719968693Not my fault you're a retard that lost his fucking mind when someone started talking about BW and you saw an argument that wasn't said dumbfuck, better luck next time I guess
>>719968936Where am I running? My argument still stands regardless of whether or not we use the word good or not. My whole point was that there was basically no post-game and I proved it with my reply. You have to fixate on a single word to try and dismantle my point. Life must be sad being a broke nigger like yourself. Don't worry Tyrone you'll become a self-made millionaire soon when you start your rapping career, I'm sure of it.
>>719969120did they actually make them gay or is this just some retard that sees 2 characters standing next to each other and goes OMG THEY'RE FUCKING like I guess Clair and Lance were fucking too since you did a double battle with them in HGSS
>>719920119>had gold>mystery gift with a friend who had silver>later find out that underground area where you fight with Cal>Cal has my friend's pokemon partythis blew my 11 year old brain
>>719969129Again, playing semantics. Fine, let's throw out the word 'good.' There, my point still doesn't change. The game has little to no post-game as I clearly pointed out. That was the entire crux of my argument. You and your boyfriend are fixating on a single word I used because you're butthurt someone doesn't like your shitty game and you got nothin else.
>>719920119Sliver was peak, and because they actually were pushing the hardware to the extreme. They still had that fight in them, gen 3 was the point were they said fuck it we made it.
>>719969274>>719969651There is still more content you get to do with these late game obtainable mons in BW than GSC, that was the entire point. Not even shitting on gen 2 its just a fact, that was fixed a bit in HGSS by having more things to do in the postgame. That was the "argument" you are shitting and pissing over. Not the argument that you came up with in your head that everyone is saying BW is a perfect game and you are now frothing at the mouth over. Gen 5 literally lives rent free in your head and its pathetic.
>>719967429That’s nice but Masuda explicitly said on his Twitter Arceus isn’t a god
>>719969786the pokemon that we battle arceus isn't a god sure but the true arceus that we never see but is present in PLA and factually exists literally is a god
I can't go back to HM-era Pokemon, I just can't.
>>719969786If he said anything else he'd be getting thousands of death threats from Korean Christians. Arceus is still God.
>>719969718>They still had that fight in themThey genuinely thought that Pokemania was going to die before Gen II even came out, so they treated it as though it was going to be the final game in the series. When the merch and games still sold like hotcakes, it clearly took something out of them. And yeah Pokemania DID die between the releases of Gens II and III, but it still sold really well, just not gigaphenomenon well. Then of course there was that revival of interest in the early 2010s and the rest is history.
>>719969120Wow I'm so happy you posted a random Redditor
>>719969994Cope and seethe ArceusbothererArceus is fainted and we’ve fainted him
>>719969724Projecting your rage onto me won't make you look any less butthurt m8. I stated a fact and am getting hounded by dumb niggers like yourself for it. Also claiming "x lives in my head rent-free" all because I'm making counter arguments and defending myself from criticism is more disingenuous than anything you claim I may have pulled here. Continue to seethe Tyrone.
>>719968595Polished Crystal sucks. They ruined all of the openness that Kanto and Johto had, while forcing in the ugly Lyra.
>>719970204You're the one melting down over gen 5 man. You have made 0 counter arguments to the original point only going off on a tangent about how BW has no postgame based on your own retarded metrics which isn't relevant to the original point at all.>Continue to seethe Tyrone.Who's projecting rage here exactly?
>>719970227???Both regions are objectively more densely connected in PC. I can surf from Cherrygrove to Olivine for instance
>>719969120Why does the pokemon community have to inject their gay fantasies everywhere? I was looking forward to Redux 2.0 but now I don't want to touch it.
>>719969282>Clair and LanceI know they're not actually brother and sister but its giving brother-sister incest (based)
>>719970204When I bought gen 3 on release I automatically thought it was a downgrade. I hated it. I really hated the colors and design. Also I didn't like how hyper beam looked, fucking DNA beam. Everything after gen 2 kinda sucked.
>>719970456There are new pathways, but you're still forced to play through the game in a specific order. Route 42 is blocked until you beat Jasmine, for instance.I dropped the game the second I found out that the path from Saffron to Celadon was blocked by a Snorlax.
>>719970590they're cousins I'm pretty sure
>>719970227What, that's like the exact inverse of what it does. Are you getting it mixed up with a different romhack?
>>719970485>why is the fanbase with an that is know to be mostly pedos and furries incredibly gay?The world may never know.
>>719970610I didn't consider that a problem in the slightest. Canon Johto's level curve is completely wrecked by what you want and canon Kanto has its gen 1 level curve iirc which is completely retardedWithout implementing level scaling (which usually sucks anyway) linearizing the story is the best solution.
>>719970485>being this much of fragile pokechudlol more for me
>>719922179Celebi was so fucking cool.
>>719970334>Who's projecting rage here exactly?You. I'm bouncing from thread to thread while playing Timesplitters 2 on my only day off while you keep same fagging multiple replies at me. You wanna cap this off or just keep it going m8? The argument is done. Get over it and go goon to whatever underaged pokemon trainer you and other pokemon fans do.
>>719969120Does this hack actually contain gaycoded characters or is it just a shitpost?
>>719970642I think you're the one who is confused.>>719970819>Canon Johto's level curve is completely wreckedThen have a dynamic level curve. Other hacks have done it. Forcing Crystal to play more like a modern Pokemon game in all the worst ways soured me on the entire game.
>>719968809>they just so happen to roll again for some reason Listen to yourself, unreal cope lmfao
>>719970894>I'M NOT SEETHING I'M NOT SEETHING I DIDN'T COMPLETELY MISREAD A REPLY CHAIN AND SHIT MY PANTS BECAUSE I SAW SOMEONE TALK POSITIVELY ABOUT GEN 5 I DIDN'T LOOK I CALLED YOU A NIGGER SEE I'M NOT MADok bro
>>719939708Battle frontier is objective shit, you have to grind through 50+ battles in order to get the enemy AI to a point where they stop doing things like fake out after turn 1 or protect two turns in a row, and it takes 100+ before they start giving you opponents with high base stats and IVs and EVs. Compare to Gen2 Battle Tower where you will get fucked up the ass on trainer number 1 because they dont want to waste your time.
>>719970926I disagree with you but I admit that your opinion has a rational basis.
>>719920119I never played a pokeshit romhack so I tried looking up the best ones? Thoughts? Anything I should add or subtract?
>>719970901unironically gayshit
>>719970590>its giving>no object to verbkys zoom zoom
>>719971070That's fine. I was just disappointed that, for all the features that Polished added, they couldn't/wouldn't figure out dynamic levels to allow for more freedom. The balancing is already pretty fucked with the type changes.
>>719971232UnboundOdysseyPrismTeam rocket edition (not the spic one)Emerald seaglass
>>719971317:skull: :skull: this post giving unc ahh
>>719943858the lack of unown led to the removal of hidden power. I don't understand the purpose of removing it. Fun fact, even though hidden power is not in sword and shield, it's type calculation still is. In battle, it will tell you whether or not hidden power would be super effective against an opponent, but it just wont let you use it for no reason.
>>719920119>Emerald>Platinum>HGSS>BW>BW2>ORAS>USUM>SVJust to name a few better games
>>719967803I'm curious now if someone did a hack of the later regions and removed every shitmon from the game and dex? Note shitmon is not having low stats or moveset, a shitmon is something like Luvdisc that couldn't be loved by anyone. Or a more heavyhanded meaning of every pokemon that does not follow the formula for Kanto.
>>719971060Lmao. I prefer this to your sperging. Keep it up.
>>719921059lmao, this really riled the johtotrannies
>>719969651You had no argument in the first place. You personally think the post-game content is barebones or non-existent (it's not) and trying to pass it off as an objective truth (it's not). And you know what? I'm convinced you're perfectly aware of it. Nevertheless, you're making it a matter of semantics because you just won't concede no matter what. And now, the cornered little bitch you are is crying out "S-SAMEFAGGING!!" when >>719968318 and >>719968347 are proof we're several to be calling you out for your retardation. Sincerely kill yourself.
>>719971301I don't trust you nigger
>>719965360i never understood this if you had stadium 2. tyranitar houndoom and misdrevous are so fucking good and useful for team building there. i know stadium 2 is a separate game but i condsider it post game content as well
>>719963419they are in johto, but they can only be caught with the super rod which is in kanto.
>>719967803Which one of these roms doesn't have fakemons, fake attacks, rebalanced stats and abilities?
Can someone list the romhacks with faggot stuff in it so I know what to avoid?
>>719970831you are such an obnoxious archetype of person, whatever reflex caused you to type this out is 100% what fuels the woke engine and is 100% responsible for the political climate the U.S. is in right now. The same exact type of person that cries about the orange baby and MAGA chuds but doesn't realize that their obnoxious little neuro-tribe basically annoyed an entire nation into course-corrective conservatism.>You don't like gay shit rammed down your throat in all of your favorite things?>Haha fucking WORM, EAT IT, EAT IT, EAT IT^and expecting absolutely no repercussions from this kind of behavior? Get ready for a new age of shit sandwiches as the conservative right seize power...
>>719971849You're a faggot and by any conventional interpretation of politics I am much further to the "right" than you
>>719971446Forgot mariomon
>>719971643I wont concede because I'm right and (You) are wrong. It's simple mate. >>719971060 is you btw
Zoroark
>>719971849I get the sentiment of militarizing against the religious folk who persecute the gheys and just generally being a no-nonsense "fuck you bigot" type of personality, but when your club's slogan is "fuck you" that's not going to serve you well in the long term. I don't envy you guys, because you have to deal with the problem of "how do we course correct from a decade and a half of obnoxious antagonism?" What a problem to work out.. how to cut that shit out while still advocating for equality? Better start sooner than later or the problem will just compound.
Gen 5 was the real peak
>>719920119>worst starters in the franchise after BW, being Chikorita ranked as the worst starter of all, where even the Hoppip line outclasses it>worst level curve of all games>post-game areas are just butchered Kanto>post-game wild mons in Kanto have levels way lower than Johto>Kanto gym leaders are a joke to the point of solo'ing them with one mon of the same level
>>719920119Because they were trying to do something newIt's stagnated now and the capability of the devs is also very questionable
>>719972601johturd is the epitome of quantity over quality. not even its heckin big postgame is designed well considering how dogshit the kanto gyms are and every route is full of level 5 ratattas
>>719968453They sold terrible in the first year
>>719972250Cute. Cope and seethe, zoomie.
>>719972720>>>>>>>>>>>trying to do something new>rehashed the fire starter stats>rehashed the league>rehashed the professor>rehashed the encounter tables from beginning to end; enjoying seeing pidgey as your first pokemon and level 25 raticates outside of what is supposed to be the last area of the game lmfao>rehashed the pokemon gym leaders use>rehash kanto but somehow gutted it of all content and made it a third of the size because johto is dogshit on its own >rehashed team rocket but made it lame as fuck with the most boring plot and midgame hideout in the series; didn’t even update the pokemon they use at all, still spamming level 10 zubats the entire game, climax happens against a literal who admin who doesn't even have a namejohtrannies are fucking delusional
>>719972356this
>>719972789projection
>>719972842Oh yeah, they're definitely innovating and the quality of the games now is amazing, the devs are clearly so talented
Why have Gentoos become the most aggressive subcommunity in the pokemon fanbase?The forced rivalry with gen 3 is even more confusing. Watching these guys work overtime to force a narrative about the rise and fall of pokemon lasting 2 generations is embarrassing to witness
>>719973180https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm9Vn0jPbWI
>>719972842You seem to have omitted Day/Night cycle from your list
>OH MY SOIENCE YOU FORGOT THE HECKIN DAY NIGHT CYCLE CHUD!!!!!
>>719939708Battle frontier is gay, but Gen 3 and 4 are better for other reasons
gen3 music is ass
>>719973180I'm a Redhat guy myself but I'm right there with you.
>>719971069It takes 0 battles to get opponents with high base stats. At least play the games you like to shit on.The AI thing is gradual but it takes 28 battles at most.
Is BBVW2 Redux really gay?
>>719972267>Hyped up with a fucking movie>Not available until b2w2, and even then it's only as a giftmon at the end of the gameIt's sad that gf made it dirty like that.
>>719974015>and even then it's only as a giftmon at the end of the gameYou get a Zorua as early as Driftveil City
>>719964326>No child would even recognize that as a sign and walk up to it.As a kid I walked up to anything that wasn't a blank wall texture and checked if it was interactable.Did you ride the short bus to school by any chance?
>>719973180>why are Johto fans aggressive now???? Oh I dunno, maybe the half decade of slander and lies about a game that we enjoy, all because of jealousy from nugen fans that GSC and HGSS always win 'which game is the best' polls?
>>719973858>It takes 0 battles to get opponents with high base stats. At least play the games you like to shit on.Maybe you should play the games you defend and show me a pokemon with BST above 600 at 0 battles.
>>719923652Those HGSS levels are insanely low how did you pull that off LMAO
>>719975413Is there even a mon with a BST higher than 600 in Emerald allowed in the frontier?You can get Latios, Metagross etc from the first battle at Open Level in the factory.
>>719975595npcs start using banned ubers at high win numbers, yes. at this point they also start serving you unnerfed teams with actually full IVs and EVs.
>>719962015It was a shift, Pokemon Go in 2016 revived the KANTOOOOOO corpse because although the 3ds XY did pretty well Pokemon was on the way out ORAS didnt do amazing GO helped boost SUMO as well people forget all this a decade laterI agree tho SWSH and dexcut showed there was new philosophy behind decisions. Its been mixed since im more optimistic for the franchise currently than 2021-2024
>>719962015>Pokemon died for me the moment the Dexcut happened.ruby sapphire? yeah thats when it died for me too.
>>719921059level curve is a nothingburger with badge boosts to stats AND movesif you can't beat red with a team 20 levels under you are just shit at the game
>>719920119BW2 was close but HGSS is the peak of the franchise, the worldbuilding is just that good and no /vg/ autism about the finer details is ever going to change that.
>>719975820They don't use banned ubers i.e Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, Deoxys and the others.They only have shit like the trios in each gen at most, but if it's banned for you then it is banned for them.
>>719975595>Is there even a mon with a BST higher than 600 in Emerald allowed in the frontier?Slaking
>>719962791Because having to do 4+ trades for every single pokemon you wanted to bring over depending on their original game version was fucking retarded and it's only gotten worse.Pokemon's biggest fuck up of all time from my perspective was constantly killing generational features (like the dream world website etc) and making it incredibly fucking annoying to transfer over your older pokemon then started selling a service to do so, and then made that cancerous as well
>>719975928every pokemon is still coded into the game. they are not all coded into the later games.
>>719939708battling is unironically the worst part about the Pokemon games
>>719931889They hated Him because He told them the truth.
>>719975859>I agree tho SWSH and dexcut showed there was new philosophy behind decisions. Its been mixed since im more optimistic for the franchise currently than 2021-2024Why?
>>719976013The level curve causes you to spend most of your time overleveled until you get rug pulled by Red. It also makes using more than 3 mons or attempting to raise any wild mon you find after a certain point to be detrimental. Don't know how the level curve got conflated with difficulty in GSC when it's quite the opposite.
>>719973180Let me guess, you "need" more?
>>719977010>I don't know how to balance a team of 6>b-b-but GSC isn't difficult tho!!!! How to contradict yourself in two sentences You don't even know why you dislike GSC, you've just been fed 'level curve XD' talking points by Poketubers and regurgitated them.
>>719975928>WHAT DO YOU MEAN I HAVE TO USE THE NEW POKEMON IN THIS NEW POKEMON GAME>WHERE’S CHARIZAAAAARD WHERE’S SUDOWOODOOOOO WHERE’S MY HECKIN WELFARE SHINY GYARADOOOOOS >NOOOO I HATE NEW THINGS I HATE CHAAAAAANGE>I DONT WANT TO WAIT FOR THE REMAKES I WANT MY JOHTO MONS NOW NOW NOWWWWWW
>>719967803Trannyhack
>>719961813>back when we were little kids who were deep into Pokemania and didn't know a good game vs a bad game it was ok that we didn't notice the bad game designThis is a retarded take. What if someone wants to get into Pokemon and they play Platinum/BW/Emerald etc first and then play HGSS later. That level curve is definitely gonna be noticed there>>719961985>end up underleveled and can't beat the E4?>just keep fighting them and losing over and over until you gain enough levels to win>this is good game design XDThat's the most retarded thing I've ever fucking read>>719963023I've still yet to see anyone defend the level curve and instead only deflect to arguments like this. How is the levels being the way they are in HGSS/GSC a good thing when no other fucking game has ever been that way?>>719963120I'm a Hoennfag actually>equally leveled to every NPC and never experiencing any challengeDid you completely miss the part where all my teams (except for Platinum) ended up lower leveled than the final battles?>>719965360Who the fuck is defending the bottom? The ridiculous evolution levels/locations is one of the big complaints about Unova?>>719975227Being able to accept that your game has flaws is a good thing you know. I love Emerald the most but I still admit it has a ton of flaws>>719975514Jumpluff is very fast so I could pull off leech seed. After that it's just a LOT of healing spam. Lance ain't the only one using Full Restores
>>719978113The dexcut was an unbelievably bad idea that killed the franchise if the bad graphics already didn'tJohto is never getting a remake, it doesn't have the favoritism status of Kanto and it has nothing to put it apart from Kanto.Sudowoodo and Charizard are literally in gen 9. We need mons like Maractus back.
>>719967803what a plebbit tier list holy fucking shit go back nigger
>>719970456>surf from Cherrygrove to Olivinehow
>>719920230Gold and Silver are superior to me. Emerald and Platinum are the only good 3rd verision games
>>719968637do you mean from bdsp? more customization options, some platinum additions like the battle frontier and distro world, more qol, full national dex, etc
>>719978340I was talking about gen 3’s “dex cut”
>>719978407are you trapped on /v/? you're yapping like it's 2015, still using the same terminology the world is changing
>>719978407Anon was asking for recommendations and that's obviously not a tier list
>>719977476There was no contradiction. Using more mons increases the amount of grinding you would possibly do, not the actual difficulty of the game. The exp yields from both the wild mons and the dogshit trainers means that using a full team will only waste your time and you're better off focusing on a smaller core team of around 3 unless you want to slam your face against Golbats and Gravelers for god know how long to have a freshly caught pokemon to be at a reasonable level. God forbid you actually want to rotate your team around or want to use one of the cool as fuck new mons on your team after you already have six trained mons.>You don't even know why you dislike GSC, you've just been fed 'level curve XD' talking points by Poketubers and regurgitated them.Don't care about your dumbfuck obsession with ecelebs. I have had this issue with GSC ever since I played HGSS and I was old enough to realize why this was a problem.
>>719978942I believe the word is transitioning
>>719979738>you're better off focusing on a smaller core team of around 3NTA but that sounds like a fun idea to try out one time. Rather than stick with the same 6 throughout the entire run, use a whole bunch of different Pokemon. Like if you're going up against a grass-gym, start using a bunch of fire and flying types for that stretch of the game. That way you're using more unique Pokemon throughout your entire playthrough
>>719921059>Not solely using your starter only and soloing the entire elite 4 with himngmi
I will never understand the appeal of Pokemon romhacks.
>>719980594They're basically required for Johturd
>>719980594You have to be trans
>>719980594I like the idea of being able to catch event-exclusive and trade-exclusive Pokemon without action replay or buying a second console and copy of the game
>>719973180>the rise and fall of pokemon lasting 2 generationsYah the sad thing is its true... flash in the pan that quickly went downhill - gen 3 was kind of cool in some ways, but it really was the beginning of the end.Like it's hard to point out when exactly pokemon became mostly homogenized shit, but if you look every gen just piled on a tiny bit. Gen 5 with the trash and ice cream cones, 4 with the boring pacing and braindead writing, 3 with the starting to repeat themselves designs and nonsense story.. also I think a big factor is a lot of original fans were scarred from when they severed the transfer gap. Oh we can't transfer our collections and favorite mons? Okay... well what does this new gen have to offer? Oh...
>>719980594They're fun ways to experience a game you love. Just ignore the writing. 90% it's edgy dogshit.
>>719923652>donut
>>719980594What do you find appealing in Pokémon?
>>719980594which ones, the ones that tweak an existing game, or the ones that are full conversions and basically new games in the same engine?
>>719920119Sex suiren
>>719978340At face value you think it was bad because some pokemon can't exist in the game,but what the real problem is is it showed how terrible the new pokemon are. Removing pokemon that define pokemon makes it real apparent nu-mons are far from being pokemon.>>719980594>>719980759least obvious corporate nigger
>>719964268It's peak comfy. Spent so much time here biking up and down the map waiting for eggs to hatch
>>719980594it's the best option until they make legends: satoshi
>>719981146The coming of age adventures in nature by children who love and appreciate it. Basically the stuff Pokemon was meant to be about before it became a collect-a-thon marketed primarily at tumblr fandoms, a.k.a. the authors of most romhacks.>>719981378Either one, really. I don't think indies are very good at tweaking other people's ideas nor do I enjoy their attempts at reimagining them. It's like they see Pokemon in a fundamentally different way than I do, and I can't imagine spending dozens of hours going along with their narratives. Not for nothing, it looks like alot of work goes into it. I just don't relate to it.
>>719978571calling what happened in gen 3 a 'dex cut' is disingenuous because what happened in gen 3 is not the same was what happened in sw/shall 364 pokemon existed in r/s' code, you could hack them in and they would have proper stats and movesets, they were just unobtainable by normal meansin sw/sh pokemon were just not existent, you could not get them by any means as there was no data for them existing in the gameam i defending them being unobtanable? no, trying to complete the dex in gen 3 is horseshit, everything not available in r/s should've been in fr/lg without events or spinoffs, but even with how cancer it is to try and get everything at least it's still possible, technically
>been replaying Pokemon games>been doing as much of the in game content as I can for each, including breeding competitive teams to beat the battle frontiers in Hoenn/Sinnoh/Johto or the Battle Subway in Unova>typically skipped the non battling minigames like Contests in Hoenn/Sinnoh, the Pokeathlon in Johto, the Musicals in Unova1>decide to try the Pokestar Studios in White 2>all these fucking movies they have>have to follow the script to get the good endings which is basically a puzzle even using the rentalsLook I can understand the appeal of putting these type of things in but who the fuck is actually getting all master rank contests or clearing every Pokeathlon trial or finishing all the movies with good endings
>>719978191>This is a retarded take. What if someone wants to get into Pokemon and they play Platinum/BW/Emerald etc first and then play HGSS later. That level curve is definitely gonna be noticed theregood thing this thread is about the original GOLD, SILVER and CRYSTAL otherwise you might've had something going for you
>>719984052>man I want to get into Pokemon 30 years after it came out since I missed the boat>let's start with the very originals since I want to see what made it so great>wow Red/Blue/Yellow were very fun, I enjoyed being in the level 50s when the champion was only in the low 60s>ok onto Gold/Silver/CrystalThe levels in the original game are nearly identical. In fact looking it up the levels in the remakes are slightly higher so you'd actually be gaining more experience and you still end up horribly underleveled. If you play the same in the originals you're gonna be even worse off because you're getting less exp per battle.
>>719984459just got into the thread, don't feel like reading all of your previous posts so my apologies if you've already addressed this but aren't you just bad at the game if the level curve in GSC/HGSS gives you so much trouble?
>>719984708It's not so much that it gives you trouble, I still beat the HGSS elite 4 despite being 14 levels under, it's the fact that Johto is the only fucking games in the series that have a level curve like this. It makes the games less enjoyable. All sense of progression is just lost in the second half of the game since even though you're clearing through battles you're not gaining a lot of levels.Your end game team in a Johto run is gonna be the same levels as a mid game team in basically any other game.
>>719984849>>719984708To put it another way, think of how the early game of any Pokemon game feels, it feels like you're just starting out, your mons are weak and low leveled and so is everyone else, you're using weak moves, you're all unevolved. That's normal. Mid game you have a few fully evolved mons, maybe your starter is one off from the final stage, that's a big sense of progression. End game you're all full evolved, you're at high levels, you're using very strong moves, you feel like you're at the end of a very long journey where you and your team grew a lot.In Johto you never get that last feeling. You feel like you're at mid-game for entire last part of the game. It gives you a sense of "wait a fucking second I'm already at the end? I'm not even level 40 yet". Or at least that's what I felt out of it.It kind of gets better towards the very end of the post game when you're doing all the gym leader rematches and stuff but compared to other games it's still lacking.
>>719984052HGSS and GSC have the same exact issue. They didn't even attempt to fix the issue.>>719984708It doesn't give anybody trouble outside of Red and maybe Blue. It actually makes things incredibly easy especially once you get to Kanto. It'd be like playing RBY and inside Mewtwo's cave there were unevolved level 25 Pidgeys instead of rare level 60 mons.
>>719985769Actually it's even worse in the originals when it comes to the post game since the gym leaders are even weaker. I know the gyms aren't done in the same order as RBY since you start off in Vermilion but still. It makes the jump from Blue to Red that much worse since you're definitely not gonna be gaining that many levels. At least with the remake versions of Kanto they're higher leveled than Lance was so you're gonna be making up the level difference pretty well. In the originals if you were close enough to Lance you're gonna be shitstomping the Kanto leaders
>>719985769>HGSS and GSC have the same exact issue. They didn't even attempt to fix the issue.I wouldn't know, I stopped playing after gen2
>>719920230My favorite thing about Crystal is the random egg the daycare couple gift you right before Goldenrod, it's really cool when you get a random rare pokemon to add to your team and makes all of my playthroughs more unique
>>719981383This isn't that kind of thread, pedophile
>>719975151It seems the prospect of proving yourself instinctually superior to a six year old has distracted you from the point being made, so I'll reiterate:Having to wait in real time for a chance to do something is often considered dogshit game design and it is usually a point of derision even when done on a much lesser scale. I'd like you to explain why you think time-gated events like the once a day swarm phone calls, waiting up to two days for the next bug-catching contest, possibly waiting up to a week for Lapras, and being forced to play the game at certain times of day to catch a certain mons is fun or engaging.
How come wild Pokemon give less EXP than trainers? This can make it so you’re screwed if you waste trainer EXP on a bad mon. Modern Pokemon was absolutely correct in giving you the new and improved EXP share that benefits the entire party.
>>719990034It makes the world feel real, like the people and Pokemon really are alive inside your cartridge. It makes sense that a ghost Pokemon would only come out at night, while birds would be most plentiful in the morning. It adds an element of mystery and adventure: you're talk to other trainers and hear rumors of strange growls from a rare Pokemon deep inside a cave that only appears on Fridays. People with imaginations read that and get a desire to explore the cave and see what they find.If you don't like it then that's fine, but that's why other people find it fun.
>>719981895dude LGP+E was so close to what you're picturing, I wouldn't hold your breath
>>719939708The subway in BW2 is the battle frontier is it not?
>>719946930i need a pic of either her soles or her armpits
>>719991437The Subway is just the equivalent of the Battle Tower that started in Crystal.It's just straight battles in sets of 7 or whatever. No gimmicks other than you can choose between singles or doubles(or multi for multiplayer)Crystal had it, Emerald has it as one of its 7 battle frontier facilities, same with Platinum/HGSS but that's only 5 in the battle frontier. XY/ORAS have a similar thing in the battle maison, Alola has the battle tree, Galar has the battle tower, BDSP has the battle tower, Paldea has fucking nothing lmaoPeople want the battle frontier cause it was all gimmick facilities on top of the usual battle tower format.The battle dome was a 16 man tournament where you fight 3 rounds and you can only choose 2 out of your 3 mons to actually use as does your opponent. The battle pike was a luck based dungeon where you enter one of three rooms over and over till you reach the end and each room can be a battle, a pokemon can inflict you with status, you can get healed, etc.To be honest while I liked the battle frontier some of the gimmicks kind of sucked ass or weren't all that fleshed out. A straight port/remake of the ones from gen 3/4 wouldn't be as fun as people expect them to be. They'd have to come up with new facilities or heavily remix the existing ones. Honestly gen v and vi introduced a lot of features that would have made for great battle frontier rules. Triple battles, rotation battles, inverse battles, sky battles, battles you need to complete in certain amount of turns, horde battles, etc.Another good thing about it coming back is breeding in gen 6 onwards is super easy so making mons that can actually compete with the bullshit in those modes is easier to do than it was in Emerald/Platinum/HGSSGame Freak is just really lazy
>>719967803>no ROWE>no Reborn>no Radical Red>no Rejuvenation>no Crystal Clear>no Mega Moemon FireRed>no Red++>no Sword & Shield Ultra Plus>no Perfect FireRed>no Touhou Puppet Play / Another World
>>719990479I do understand why you think it is good and I somewhat agree, but a sense of wonder isn't enough to justify mmo tier time-gating on one of the core concepts of the game.
>>719992850>no normalfag hacksSounds good to me.
Does anyone remember the name of that one GSC hack that was touted as one of the best pokeman ROMhacks ever, until trannies infiltrated the team and started adding their tranny OCs (at first they were "secret" NPCs, in later patches they replaced the original gym leaders) and removing features?
Pokemon GO is the objectively best Pokemon game!DEAL WITH IT!COME AT ME!
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>>719993065>normalfag>posts Orange Islands
I'm a Hoennbabby and I admit GSC is easily when Pokemon had the most soul. Best soundtrack, best flavor, best additions to the franchise, etc.
>>719993065>normalfag hacksbruh, the original romhack list has Orange Islands, which is not only the pinnacle of normalfaggotry across romhacks (along with Adventures, Fusion and Kaizo hacks) but also it's a pure nostalgia animefag bait. Shit on the other list like Rejuvenation is normaledgefaggotry without doubt, but the original list also has Xenoverse, which is of the exact same tier and the most trended on reddit.Read your romlist before talking shit.
>>719993065>no normalfag hacks>has Orange Islands, Renegade Platinum and Xenoverse>Sounds good to me.It surely does
>>719993881>>719994513ROWE, Reborn, Rejuvination, SSPCCSS, and Radical Reddit are all WAY more entry-level than anything in that image.
>>719993065>Perfect FireRed>"no normalfag hacks">the list from >>719967803 has Perfect Crystal from the same author>also has Orange IslandsARE YOU RETARDED?
>>719921650are you retarded? genuine question
>>719994613Xenoverse is more popular than anything mentioned so far. It's the RPGMaker equivalent of Unbound, which is also reddit-tier as well.ROWE is a new romhack, doesn't even have popularity yet, and it ain't entry-level due to its complexity of having all regions and level curves, rather than reddit's preferred Generations' romhacks which force all the 1025 pokémon into the pokedex of a single region.
>>719939708The battle frontier isn't even that great, why are you randomly pinning the entire representation of the biggest series in the world on this one feature?
>>719994613>than anything in that imageare you sure about that? Orange Islands is a remake of 2007's Naranja, which was one of the shittiest romhacks for decades even worse than Liquid Crystal.even then, the new Orange Islands keeps the atrocious dead-easy level curve from the original and the ADHD minded story progression of it just to keep it faithful to the basedjak anime series. it's a sight to behold seeing someone like you defending this trashpiece, as you don't have anything as much entry-level or animeslop as this.
>>719920119Gen 2 has all the nostalgia, because of how young I was, but gen5 is superior.
>>719921059Gen2 had the lowest level elite 4 in the series.
>>719967803>GBA OrangeFuck that shit, GBC Orange is the way to go
>>719930278The GBA has literally a worse sound chip than the GB color
>>719994613Grok is telling me it's Unbound, Gaia, Renegade Platinum and Rejuvenation, tho
>>719955980>HoundourI'm still mad
>>719920119>generation shitmon>the few good monsters aren't even available until you get to Kanto
>>719921059>Spike for Elite FourLance’s ace is Level 50. Will’s ace is Level 42. Clair’s ace is Level 40. Pryce’s ace is Level 31. And Pryce is followed up by multiple Team Rocket sections to bridge the gap. So in reality the only level spike is Lance. When your team should already be in its early-mid 40s by the time they enter the league and they should level up a bit before Lance.At that point you are whining that Lance has a Level 50 Dragonite when you have a team of mid-40s to late-40s. The fucking final boss of Johto. Just use an Ice move and stop bitching.
>play through the entire game>STILL finding new pokemon in the very final areathis makes fans of every other gen seethe uncontrollably, they have to deal with graveler in victory road while johtochads are still finding new creatures 8 badges after everyone else has run out of stuff to do
>>719996957>And Pryce is followed up by multiple Team Rocket sections to bridge the gap.The Rocket section after Pryce is the equivalent of that one fisherman with 6 Magikarp every fucking game has for whatever reason
I remember my mum giving me Gold for my 11th birthday and she give it to me at midnight so when I played the game it was nighttime in the game and it blew my mind. Hoothoot was the 1st Pokemon I encountered.
>>719997421>catch a level 15 slow experience group Larvitar that you have to raise a minimum 40 levels to get to its final stage in order to fight the final boss that's in the high 70s/low 80sThis is good game design according to JohtardsNobody is using that final low level party member in a JRPG when you've completed literally everything but the final boss. Good luck grinding it in levels too when the wild mon levels cap out at like 40.
>>719998193Did you forget the entire Goldenrod section following that?
>>719998447You mean like Beldum? And Bagon?
these papercrafts are for you, anon
print on cardstock or anything thicker than
>>719998515They don't fair much better. If you're trying to level up a team of 6 it takes like 3 trainers to get one level on one mon.>>719998614Where am I defending Bagon or Beldum? That was fucking horse shit too. Game Freak can never fucking get pseudo-legendary placement right. Ironically I think gen I with Dratini was probably one of their best showings for it. Safari zone isn't too late into the game, it's rare but not too rare, it's not too low level, and if you wanted you could just get one from the Game Corner instead
>>719998721than normal paper!
>>719967323>>719967803Let me guess, /v/ doesn't like crystal clear because they are dumb contrarians right? And the developer is a fag (which he is) so somehow his game becomes worse? Pathetic.
>>719998730I’m starting to get the impression that you’re just being disingenuous by cropping out the highest level battles. And the rival battle. You also brought up Larvitar being ‘bad game design’ as a specific critique for Johto and when called out on it you backpedal. Why are you making these weird arguments where you omit information or pretend an issue is exclusive to Gen 2?
>>719998967>the highest level battles. And the rival battle.The highest level ones are the bosses like the executives and like you said the rival but those are exceptions, those are the only ones you'll be getting any large chunks of exp from. Everything else is shit. Not enough to make up the gap. Again, see>>719935456My most recent run of Johto, fighting every single trainer in the game, no grinding, and that's the level I ended up at the door to the elite 4. Are you gonna say I "played the game wrong" or something? I didn't use anything but those 6 mons, all caught at the earliest possible times. The exp in Johto is just too low to actually make good levels. Hell, in speedruns where you only use one Pokemon(aka the little kid strat of only using the starter) they end up at like mid 50s or low 60s by the champion
>>719998967>and when called out on it you backpedal. Why are you making these weird arguments where you omit information or pretend an issue is exclusive to Gen 2?Where did I ever pedal forward? Did I say it was exclusive to Johto? If anything you were saying it was exclusive to Johto by claiming finding new mons in the very last dungeon was what made Johto so great. If a problem exists in multiple gens then it's a problem in multiple gens. Gen 2 fags just seem to like pretending the problem doesn't exist or that it's somehow a good thing.
>>719968243I will never forgive Gen 4 for creating Rhyperior. What a way to ruin one of the best legacy Monsters' design and aestheic for absolutely no reason. I will regard Gen 4 as soulless garbage and one of the biggest missteps of the series. And yet somehow Black and White was a brilliant return to form, but saying so always turns me against my fellow Gen IV despisors.
>>719999660nigga they literally took rhyperior and made it a starter in gen 5 lol
>>719920230>shit pokemon distribution>no mareep when you desperately need options or at least ONE electric pokemonNah, the added content isn't worth it.
>>719998937cc is gay fag shit
>>719928694Holy shit, had no idea about that, Crystalfags keep losing
>>719964647How is USUM worse than base SM?Haven't played USUM so I'm genuinely curious.
>>720000027No, shockslayer is a gay faggot, his game is the best gen 2 project and one of the best hacking feats ever.
>>719934698Oh nice retort, you SURE showed anon how your argument is better
>>719930957And x100 as much cryptic autism.The game outright refuses to explain Natures, IVs and EVs and the way you're supposed to breed the perfect pokemon is so fucking stupidly autistic and cumbersome I genuinely think you WEREN'T SUPPOSED to do it.Like did they really expect people to spend literally hundreds of hours hatching eggs until you miraculously passed all the perfect IVs?Not to mention getting the 6 IV Ditto first.Dear god I fucking hate competitive fags so fucking much, they ruined Pokemon.
>>720000592You couldn't get a 6 IV mon in gen 3(or 4 or 5 for that matter) from breeding anyway. You could only pass on 3 IVs total, the other 3 are randomly generated.t. autistically bred mons for the post game facilities in Emerald, HGSS, Platinum, and Black
>>720000775Man I kinda respect you and also think you were kinda dumb for going at it but hey, at least you had fun, right?
>>720000775you rng abuse
>>719983806Pokeatholon is fun minigame collections tho, it's like Stadium
