>"RAYTRACING IS BAD BECAUSE... BECAUSE I'M POOR OKAY"
>>719938667There is no difference
top looks better
>it's a sunk cost fallacy fag spams the same thread over and over episode
>>719938667>"RAYTRACING IS GOOD BECAUSE... BECAUSE I WASTE MONEY ON STUPID SHIT OKAY"
Yeah, I'm a poorfag. I don't get paid enough frames per month to make raytracing a desirable tradeoff.
>>719939405No it doesnt
>>719938667>4090>ray tracing offlol
>turn on raytracing>game still looks like a PS3 gameWhat's the point?
recommend me good raytaced games.and no gta5 is not a good game.
>>719938667looks like shit.you can achieve this with basic shader colour grading and bloom for 1/1000th of the cost.
>>719938667Light probes can do this too at a fraction of the cost.
>>719939619Cyberpunk is still the only point of raytracing
>>719938667meaningless detail you will never notice unless you look at them side-by-side, which you wont.
>>719939405the only thing getting topped is you.
How are you gonna cope when RTX is dropped like PhysX was?
>>719938667How does raytracing improve the gameplay? How does it make a game more fun?
>>719939707Man I wish a hot futa would top me
>>719938667Which one is ray traced brother. Ray tracing was dumb since doom 3
>>719939619>>719939687Retarded boomers stuck in 2020. Indiana Jones and Doom TDA don't even boot up without ray tracing.
>>719938667>there is no difference >you got scammee by nvidia>raytracing off looks better>the human eye cant see raytracing>sovllessDid I miss anything?
>>719939619Quake 2 rtx
>>719939907yeah you missed that the cost benefit ratio is so high you might as well be driving a sports car that costs $1,000,000 on a highway with a speed limit of 60 mph instead of wasting your money on this trash. What are you, poor?
>>719939893No one's playing these slop games. Never respond to me again
Remember when nvidia actually, unironically thought they'd get to start selling separate 'physx cards'? Oh yes, you're not going to memoryhole that, you green gremlins.
>>719940027Damn bruh you really is a broke nigga huh?
>>719939893>movie game>universally panned trashgreat argument
>>719938667>shitty game>add bad RT implementation>shitty game, now uglyAlso, woke character in pic. Amazed OP didn't have a "y'all" in it.>pic stolen from someone else, because OP doesn't have GTA5 or a card capable of RTEvery. Fucking. Time.
>>719940127stop talkign like a nigger. also that card is worse than what i have, and can barely run anything ray traced at all without looking like smeared upscaled shit. you fucking retard
>>719940127>5060This is one of the worst gpus ever released in history, why the ever living fuck did you link this e-waste.
>he paid $21893752 for pretty screenshotsLMAOThis is how retarded investors keep getting baited, I guess. Get shiny keys dangled over their heads and they go OOOOH AAAAAH
>>719940091>>719940135Both of them are multi-award winning commercial and critical hits. Sorry that you can't afford a $300 GPU on your $200/week neetbux, autists. (Not sorry.)
>>719940112Separate PhysX cards existed before Nvidia bought them, mongo.
>>719940253kill (You)rself
>>719938667Bottom is better, but top is good enough. As long as it doesn't look like a PS2 game, it's fine.
>>719940253lol unreal this fucking idiot actually bought a 5060 8gb
>>719938667>It's another meme Nvidia technology that gets a sloppy implementation in games because it runs like ass on any card other than whatever Nvidia wants to sell>Will be doomed to be forgotten in 10 years, dropped by new Nvidia cards and only implemented by AMD as an open source implementation
>>719940253Do you get paid to post stuff like this or do you just do it for fun? Actually curious.
>>719940253>commercial and critical hits>commercialProve this. They both flopped hard. Nobody buys games that use Vulkan.t. have a free copy of Dark Ages
>>719938667>>719939498Bottom is simply too bright as it completely exposes the low poly count of the geometry, which cannot have been the original intention by the artists. Bottom is also unrealistic as you'd normally be blinded by the light from outside, making inside seem much darker.
>>719939639Exactly, game engines do this once before the game is built and deployed.Many orders of magnitude more efficient than trying to brute-force it several times per second on every single gaming device separately while the actual game is executing.
>>719939639Enjoy your static environments and fixed time of day, retard
>>719938667So why couldn't developers paint the textures like on bottom without casting a gorillon rays?
>>719941029Dynamic time of day, retarded brokie
>>719940972Why can't they prebake a mask that changes based on time of day then?
>>719941092Because even with a lot of time samples you will have shit looking abrupt jumps
The most important thing to me is fun gameplay, all this stupid shit is superfluous in comparison
>>719941115>what is smoothing/interpolation
>>719940112you're a complete fucking retard, PhysX was a company that made the technology and the card to utilise it, then Nvidia bought them and put the processor responsible for the physics simulation in every one of their graphics cardsNvidia are the reason you DIDN'T need an extra card for PhysX, which is what the original PhysX company's plan wasevery day I wish more and more that this place wasn;t completely anonymous, so I could make a note of your name and call you out on being a liar whenever you make a retarded claim, because I am certain you do this "confidently incorrect" shit A LOT
>>719941143Okay then there's suddenly a lot of pedestrians blocking the gatewayOr a big ass truck pulls upAnd the interior is still fucking bright as if the sun could still shine in directlyJust stop being fucking poor
>>719938667bottom is achievable without ray tracing, next
>>719941239See >>719941239 and kys for being a dumb retarded brokie
I'm literally playing this game with ray tracing on, on an Xbox that I bought for $400People here are just insanely fucking poor
>>719941226You can have baked shadow and still cast additional shadows.Just multiply the shadow intensity for those pixels.
>>719941337No you are retarded as fuck, you need to change the lightmap to account for the lack of bounced light on all the walls.
>>719938667Top one: 86 FPSBottom one: 21 FPS
>>719938667videogames are about gameplay, not graphics, go watch a movie you fucking faggot
>>719938667>looks better>runs betterI liked this update tbqh
Funny how all the morons shitting on RT in this thread are also demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of the benefits of ray traced global illumination.
>>719938667I honestly hate poors.Yes. I hate you. If you're poor, I fucking hate you.I lie awake some nights, just wondering how much progress we've lost, how much shit hasn't made it to production or has been held back by pandering to poors and making/releasing something they can afford instead.This is tyranny by poverty FFS.
>>719940253the only thing winning awards around here is your mom, at whoring
>>719941559Enjoy wasting thousands of dollars that you could have spent on other things just so you can play a boring shit game upscaled from 480p and with 3x generated fake frames.
>dev too lazy to do their own lighting which >slaps in raytracing to do it automatically at the cost of tanking fpsits just jeets shilling
>>719941647>>719941483this update runs better thoughbeit
>>719938667dx8 was peak, everything past that is bloat
>>719941756doesn't it run better not because of the raytracing but because the original ps3 game was x86 instead of x64
>>719938667Correct. Gonna cry about it?
>>719941390That's the usual approach. But imagine the following>lightmap "texture">red channel determines how dim each part is when lit and unlit based on default lighting conditions>blue channel determines how this changes based on time of day>green channel can do something elseSky is the limit.
>>719941830TRVKE
>>719938667Resident Evil 9 is going all in on path-tracing.They aren't even trying to cope anymore.
>>719941956capcom is so fucking retarded, this shit killed wilds and its gonna kill re9 too if its also doing the stupid fuck open world shit on top of the retarded raytracing meme
>>719941628>Enjoy wasting thousands of dollarsTime you enjoy wasting is never time wasted, anon. The same can be said of money.I consider it investing in something that'll evolve into something cooler and more entertaining.
>>719942096I consider it being a cuck
>>719939619still waiting
>>719941998It probably won't be that bad. I can run RE9 with RT at 300FPS on a 6700XT.
>>719942170Doom the dark ages
>>719939619metal bringer
>>719940127>8gbLmfao you canât be serious
>>719942324That looks sick, like one of those old timey 3D GBA games
>>719942146>I'm a crab and I'm happy in my bucket!Weird flex but okay :/
graphics don't matter in video games, only the gameplay.
>>719941483So both are unplayably slow.>>7199422892 rupees have been desposited in your account.
>>719942539Lmao idiot nobody would work under 15 lakh rupees per post.
>>719939405you are poor
>>719942638You can buy a bomb for 20.
>>719942754>the villagers in Zelda games are running scam calls to the USA to earn their rupees
I don't want to be controversial but God, GTA5 is fucking ugly.
>>719938667Raytracing is for screenshots. That's it. It's not worth the 25%+ drain on system resources. I have a 5080 and raytracing is the difference between hearing the GPU fans or hearing nothing from that box. I'm leaving that gimmicky shit off.
>>719942901In general you should put a 90% cap on your GPU and CPU, it will run much more silent and prolongs their lives.
>>719942901>PC is in a storage room off the garage>never hear my fansIt's good to know what you're doing, I guess.
>>719942959That is stupid, you are not using your hardware. Make a custom fan curve if it gets too loud. And undervolt. But you are too stupid for that.
why is it never two screenshot of a good game?
>>719943301Most people post images stolen from YouTube thumbnails or random websites. The amount of people who play games in /v/ is likely in the single digits, and 3/4 of those are on ancient hardware.So, the showcase will always be The Witcher 3, CP2077, or GTA5.
>>719938667Can I run the lower at 165 fps at 3440x1440 with a 4090?
>>719943118Undervolting implies using lower clock frequencies too, idiot.
>>719940972I FUCKING DID AND THEY TOOK IT FROM ME
>>719938667>pay "premium" and you receive the best of the best!>the best of the best:>rtx hair>half the fps>tranny frames>fewer hardware components
>>719943912Not necessarily. Undervolting does just that, reduce voltage at certain frequencies. The card still turbos or tries to turbo as high as it can within its thermal and power envelopes or it will crash with an unfinished or bad undervolt. In fact a card can even have higher frequencies when undervolted as it can reach higher frequencies for a set voltage without hitting a TDP limit. In this case you obviously wonât be getting any thermal or acoustic gains though.
>>719944116You need silicone lottery for that but anyone can undercoat + decrease clocks or just decrease clocks
>>719938667Realtime Global illumination is over 17 years oldCrysis 1 had a form of it in 2007it wasnt until the RT scam 8 years ago when devs stripped rtgi out of their engines only to ironically rip Ray Tracing back out and replace it with voxel/baked solutions LOL
>>719944210Yes obviously. My point being that undervolting isnât always lower clocks.
>>719944210>>719944271Thanks for not pointing out that my autocorrect changed undervolt to undercloak
>>719944210>>719944306undercoat? undercloak? You ok dude?
>>719944347Not my fault that it autocorrects it to undermount
>>719938667still not upgrading from 1080ti
Unironically, what kind of ceo would hear "this game runs smoothly on 20% of the pc market" and not fire the one responsible immediately?Shouldn't they be aiming for "games running on phones" tier so that even 3rd worlders coild buy the damn thing?
>>719944679because ceos don't play games and they see 100fps (framegen) is fine and don't understand nor care what input delay is
>>719941559you're just too dumb to realize it's the non-productive early adopters that are getting milkedway too many idiots who will pay thousands for incremental shit every six months. there's no incentive even for a company out of no where to blow the competition away because what about the next version?and without the mainstream consumer you wouldn't even have a quarter of the dogshit content you do have. you'd basically be paying out the ass for games from 3 generations ago due to lack of competition.
>>719945216>you're just dumbyou're just poor
>>719938667Can be solved with baked lighting but can't expect a multimillion dollar company to have the manpower to add that in here.
>>719945330>just use baked lighting...>reeee why does my game now need 400gb installation and use 64gb VRAM
>>719939687>Cyberpunk is still the only point of raytracingCan't even run it without my 5090 crashing to desktop for some reason. But I've tested path tracing for Alan Wake 2 and RTX Portal and it does look pretty decent. Even if it eviscerates framerate. Not sure what's going on with cyberpunk. If it's my hardware or the game. Game straight refusing to get into the menu. On older drivers i can get into the menu, but it crashes in game anyway.
>>719945394$50 dollar SSD vs 2k GPU and 60 fps
>>719944769>doesn't have a framegen capable card>doesn't understand that you generally couple framegen with upscaling>since you render at a lower resolution than your target, the input latency is lower>when you add framegen, the total latency with upscaling is generally lower than just brute forcing it at native (assuming not trying to shoot for the stars with detail levels on underpowered hardware)>since the difference in quality between native and upscaled is negligible at best (again, assuming it's set up properly), there's no real reason not to do thisTL;DR you're expecting massive leaps in shader counts for native rendering perfornance and they're coming slower than normal. Advancing the tensor core tech is currently the concept that will produce the biggest performance leap.>>719939687CP's not even a good implementation. It's just greasy, and people think shiny = good looking.Note: these are the same people who post in the "I had reflections on the PSX! It had ray tracing????????????" threads. They don't know anything about ray tracing other than reflections. Since CP has a lot off nearly every surface, it must be good.
>>719938667Explain why you need a 3000$ gpu to have some orange on a wall when you could just... Make the texture orange.
>>719945483are you new here? people sob their tits off because a new game has a 70gb download which takes a month on their dialup internet and takes too long to decompress on their SCSI drive
>>719939687And, to samefag, >>719945517 sums it up. It adds orange to a wall, according to him.
>>719945514I have a framegen card you coping indian retard, it still feels like absolute dogshit if the game isn't already hitting a playable framerate without it and thats the problem devs are shitting out halfassed games that don't run well without framegen and expecting it to carry their shitty work.
>>719945605If you were white, you wouldn't have one. Only us jeets have nice PCs. White men are running AMD cards from 15 years ago.
>>719945330None of this shit is necessary in the slightest. Make a game that plays on the fucking xbox 360 and then you can add a "4k download" that increases fidelity for the people that want it. Thats how it should be done.
>>719945567500 mbps/s and 10 TB of SSD storage here and I will never stop complaining about waste. None of the games over 50 kb warrant that size.
>>719945948that's because you're poor
>>719945517There are definitely caveats to streamlined technology, but the fact that it even exists and the only adopters are AAAA devs is a good sign that gaming is being held back by convenience and general perceptions of novelty.
>>719946017Not where it counts though.
>>719942170see>>719942220
raytracing isn't bad, it's just meaningless and useless for gamers. It's only good for screenshots for the shareholders.
ray tracing is pointless until the basic bitch *060 card can do path tracing without dropping the framerate by 90%. better looking lighting isnt worth playability.
Can't even tell which is which unless it's labelled. >that'll be $3000 + tip
Aegia was the one who wanted to sell an individual PhysX card that would just do the physics computation, but that was before Nvidia bought those guys out and physx was put on the card. Physx was also never ever used in the way the Aegia guys claimed it would be (no game ever had realistic glass breaking or realistic water motion) well...WAS on Nvidia cards, until the 5000 line and it ain't no more I guess.
>>7199502195000 series still has PhsyX but not the 32bit binaries.
>>719942901It depends on the game honestly and mostly pathtracing. In Cyberpunk playing a few hours with pathtracing and then going back to raster just makes the game look "not right".
>>719938667Non-RT methods like SVOGI can do it almost as accurately at a fraction of the performance cost. I mean Crysis 2 had (non-baked) GI with back in 2011. Sure it looked pretty rough but it was technically more impressive than throwing a comparatively huge amount of computing power at the problem and pretty much brute forcing it.
>>719950842 the non-RT methods work well in certain places and look out of place in others
>>719949310>it's just meaningless and useless for gamers>peasants aren't even playing their retro games raytracedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCGnQoakOWc
>>719950842>2018 Cryengine still btfos every billion dollar jeet engine like UE.Kek
>>719950842I don't know whether that's on SVOGI or not but KCD ran like absolute trash.I've heard KCD2 runs much better though.
Because it massively increases performance cost and enables more devs to be lazy and offload that cost to the consumer.
>>719939405That's the ray-traced one
>RAY TRACING IS A MEM- ACK
>>719951082I mean normal RT is a meme in Cyberpunk, only reflections actually do something to the image quality.Pathtracing though, that one is good.
Bring back vertex painted shadows.
>>719939619Lego Builders Journey
>>719939619Heartbound. Fully ray traced game that runs on a fridge
>>719951438Well it's more about not being able to raytrace in 120 fps.
>>719951082>44 fpsepic bro
>>719950998>I don't know whether that's on SVOGI or not but KCD ran like absolute trash.Which is why Warhorse downgraded the first game for it to run on consoles. Among gutting the forests in the game and plenty of other things from the beta. It running bad at that time was not necessarily a bad thing because it would have just been a game that would be a good benchmark for PC hardware in general, because of it's technical achievements. It could have easily been toggle option for people using worse hardware. What they opted for was doing everything so the shitty PS4 and xbox one's potato hardware could run it. That's the real reason they did it. Warhorse are a console first studio.
>>719938667Which one is supposed to be raytracing? It just looks like saturation difference in your pic.
>>719951082Now move around and we'll see how """good""" that looks.
>>719951082dark future vs gay future
>>719951794is that better?
>>719939817With properly implemented raytracing you can have all kinds of light or sound based tricks that would require hardcoded events in a traditional game. You can have sound that seems to come from a direction it actually doesn't because of traytraced sound. You can have games where inferring things from a room you cannot actually see is possible solely because of raytraced lighting bouncing off of visible walls and into the players' eyes. You might as well ask what use is there in introducing a third dimension into game worlds when you can already jump and shoot in 2d. It's all about using the new features properly
>>719940723Yeah and this is exactly how you get unreal engineslop with completely static worlds because even the tinies movement of a single prop would completely shatter the illusion these pre-baked lightnings create
>>719938667I'm not sure which is which but I think top looks better
>>719939639>>719941226You can actually do this with light probes believe it or not. There is a way to propagate screenspace data back to them and update them.
>>719952653>can have sound that seems to come from a direction it actually doesn't because of traytraced sound.What ? Raytracing is for light physics.
Which one is good and which one is bad? The top would be an accurate depiction of mid-day when the shadows are heavier and you don't have as much red light bouncing everywhere, but the bottom suits a low sun angle more at specific times of the day and gives a more nostalgic feel, the way you feel when the sun sets.I'd have to see them in-game to know which one is better, one just has more red light reflecting (the way light works in many cases and in art), the other has a more defined mid-day sun and heavy shadow look. Neither of them look outright better, light doesn't work the same every day or every time of the day.T. exterior house painter, so don't try to bullshit me on how light should look under a shadow.
>>719954468it's for anything which reflects or bounces.
>>719938667You're free to say ray tracing isn't the beginning of extremely unoptimized lazy jeet-esque devving for games but you'd also be wrong.
>>719938667Why couldn't this be baked-into the textures?
>>719938667Why can't you just use proper textures? Why use raytracing to colour correct? That seems like an insanely expensive computing tast to just change the colour and the shadow map slightly.
>>719938667>Increase brightness indoors>WAO SUCH GRAPHICS!
>>719939753You won't need to upgrade by that point because the industry will be past collapse.
>>719939405Wow, you're quite the digital dummy, aren't ya?
>>719940127>8gb
>>719940253This is what sub 70iq looks like
>>719952653>that would require hardcoded events in a traditional game.So nothing new that couldn't be done before. Got it.
>>719957039I wish that were the case, but 70IQ or lower would have difficulty navigating a PC, a phone or this website in general.that's sadly a midwit acting like a fool believing himself clever.
>>719938667Seeing the new Doom game failed because it needs raytracing is so fucking funnyLike finally these rtxtards get a very public loss and I can't be happier about it
>>719938667>lighting>lighting, pinkCareful not to fall for it
>>719938667i've been enjoying V enhanced, got me into gta online again for the first time in years also nice that pc got it for free
>>719939753the rtx isn't gonna be dropped because it isn't exclusive to nvidia, also you do know that raytracing is the goal which game graphics move towards to? i can see that some of the raytracing supporting features getting dropped, like neurocaching upscaling and etc (not these specifically, but there are some nvidia exclusive ones i think)
>>719957460>I can hardcode this wall to collapse upon collision so why would you ever want a dynamic destructible environment.I am quoting you
>>719939405Brown 970jeet
>>719958303>I celebrate my poverty
>>719939405Poor
>>719939405spbp
>>719939753>frogposter>completely retarded
>>719939405Brown
Raytracing benefits devs and Nvidia more than it benefits consumers. These lighting effects could already be accomplished if devs took the time to do it, but instead, they take the easy way out, which results in massive performance issues for a slight visual upgrade that may not even look better.
>>719941559the truth is that the "master race" was always 90% browns living in favelas with a shitty laptopthese same people spent the last 3 decades telling you consoles were "holding back" gaming
>>719939405cocksucking cutie poorfag
>>719939639enjoy your light leaks, retard.
>>719939893>Indiana Jones and Doom TDA don't even boot up without ray tracing.imagine buying those retarded pieces of shit
>>719940417>require ray tracing>everything is dark >all skies are cloudy
cyberpunk with path tracing is phenomenal, but it is still the only good use of ray tracing and you need a 5090 + DLSS quality + DLSS ray reconstruction to make it work at 4K
>>719961250How much did this even cost? Seems like a retarded cost-benefit ratio
>>719961706brown poorfag
>>719961750You must be great with money. Not.
>>719961706$4000. it's overkill, but i have substantial income and savings
>>719961858A retail job isn't "substantial income" and you should have saved that money.
>>719939405this tbŐ°, bottom looks like a Blender rendering animation or something
>>719938667amazing cope bro. Keep rationalizing.
>>719961956prove the OP wrong and post your hwinfo
>>719961902>saved that moneyfor what?
>>719961902>A retail jobim an american with a director level corporate job. given the time of day i have to assume youre a eruopoor who cannot comprehend
>>719938667so which one is suppose to be raytraced?
>>719962138>director level corporate job>on fucking 4chan /v/hahahahahahahahaha
>>719962145the one with more realistic bounce lighting filling the room. though it still looks like ass because of the low res textures
>>719962145the one with unnatural and bad looking light
fuck jannies
>>719962138do you also happen to be an engineer, Mutahar saar? Thank God for your father solving ebola
>>719939405yeah because the top is raytracedbottom is not
>>719962296>>719962210Just look how the poors can't handle someone who doesn't live in the same poverty stricken state they're accustomed
>>719945572if your SSR is like that top image, the retards who coded that are worse than trained chimpanzees to fuck something so simple this badly
>>719962367Poo coping hahahahah. Don't you have someone to rape? Other than your mother that is
>>719962469>poors calling others indians [hearty kek]
>719962469>719962531>Shartrannies disagreeing with each other to move goalpostsnot even worthy of a (you) and quake 2 RTX shits on this entire thread hard, sad that there is no remaster support Yet
>>719951542why do you lie?
>>719938667Looked the best on PS3
I have RT capable card and only time I activated RT was in Doom Eternal, saw my muddy reflection in a window on a building, I said cool and turned it off. Why would I tripple the usage of my GPU for something like this I dont know. Games had reflections since 1996
>>719962752Poo mad
>>719962469youre arguing with someone who isnt even me. also no, not an engineer or i would have said that
Don't know about other games but I've been replaying CP77 with path tracing on after getting a 5070 ti and it genuinely makes the game look so much better. Everything just looks flat without it
That would be 5000$ plus a tip
RTX never justifies the performance loss. It just doesn't. The card you use or whether or not you can afford it is irrelevant. It's the same thing as godrays or any other gimmick of its time. Calling it out for the lazy bullshit that it is will always be justified. It's just a con to sell cards. It won't be implemented well enough for another 10 years.
>>719963342Asa game developer this is amusing, shadows are 1000x more difficult to implement and optimize than "reflections" (in this case just cloning and mirroring the light)
OP is correct, though. The backlash against raytracing is driven entirely by poor brownoids who have shitty PCs.
>>719938667Figures a GTAslopper would also be a raytracing apologist.
>>719964086What do you mean saar? Reflections very hard please understand
Too hard to focus man. Distracting details that you focus on more than real life because it's a screen. If it's same price... O ok I'll take dat den.
>>719938667which one is supposed to be the better one?
>>719964030>It just doesn't.It just does
>>719938667bottom looks unrealistic compared to top
>>719964334good little goy
>>719952795>because even the tinies movement of a single prop would completely shatter the illusion these pre-baked lightnings create
>>719964440I wish we have a special 3rd world /v/ for all the losers in life who can't afford anything
Raytracing doesnt make the game more fun so im not shitting out more money for it to look like 10% better in a screenshot. If you feel like cramming in every graphical gimmick there is in UE5 into your game im not buying it.
>>719964440spotted the joo
>>719964086Finally with RT we can have shadows properly implemented
>>719964528You don't have to waste time coping in public. Cost isn't the issue and never was.
>>719964719yes it is. Post HWINFO
>>719958303based
