Are videogames still good and it is us who are changing?
>>720100597candles is dick sizes
The cool thing about videogames is you can play old videogames right now and realize they're not as shit as vidya is these days.>But that's nostalgiaThat's cope, I've played shit I never have before and had a great time.
Games are better than ever.
>>720100597I personally believe that it’s a mixture of us getting older, and the industry changing.On one hand- It’s very hard for me these days to find an engaging game that interests me. For example, when I was a kid, I loved 007 Goldeneye on the N64. Great game.But since I’ve experienced COD, Halo, Battlefield, and more recently games like Squad, and Tarkov; I can still go back to those games, but for me they just don’t *quite* hit the same. They’re fun yeah, but I find I’m not super into them as I was before.I kinda feel like it’s the equivalent of someone getting used to a drug and needing a higher and higher dose over time.In other words- more depth, features, and innovation.
>>720100686Girls dont have dicks retard
>>720100941I mean part of the issue there is you're misattributing you getting older to the scene around multiplayer games changing.It's not remotely about having fun with other people, it's about a potential lucrative career as a marketer for the game and being allowed to cheat by the developer/publisher.Nobody actually cares if the game is remotely fun and that could even get in the way of making ads for it.
>>720100597both. I don't give a shit about fortnite but I guarantee there are millions of zoomers that will tell you it was amazing. I can also tell you the amount of slop games has gotten worse especially with corporate greed necessitating things like microtransactions and games as a service.
>>720100780>from that list I only played the two fromslops
>>720100597Also to add to this >>720100941I will say that most games I have found that I’m into these days are indie games from small devs.AAA stuff is just garbage to me and has been for quite a while now in my opinion. At least with indie, you understand you’re getting something from a small team that’s probably unfinished, and it’s a passionate team that really cares, and doesn’t have a quota or deadline to meet (not in all cases I’m sure) that are working on it.>>720101185You really think so? It would be pretty cool if it wasn’t as much me getting older than I thought. Haha
>>720100780>games are better than ever>all the best games came out 2 decades ago and get remakesWhy are games better today though? What exactly makes them better aside from graphical fidelity?
>>720100780All those games are slop.
>>720100780Care to prove it? Your list shows otherwise.
>>720100780>dragon age inquisition won GOTYI forgot that pile of crap won that over games like Alien Isolation, shadow of mordor, and dark souls 2. those 3 games deserved it head and shoulders above DAI.
The reason this issue is so specifically aimed at gaming as a hobby is because gamers are one of the least likely hobbyists to not have other hobbies, or just other things going on in their lives to distract them.In other words, without a family, a job, or even a second hobby, gaming has to carry the entire burden of being the thing that gives your life meaning and joy.And gaming could never do that, not really. It has to be something supplementary, not the whole.This isn't someone trying to convince you to be yourself to get laid or some shit. I'm telling you to find inner peace. Learn to love yourself and you won't need gaming's escapist crutch so desperately. It might lead you to better things, it might not. But wherever you end up, you'll be better for having explored yourself, your interests, your drives, your passions. Because there's nothing quite as sad as realizing your life was yours to live when it's already too late.
>>720100780my face the deeper i got into this list
>>720100597>play old game>good>play new game>badThis argument was always shit when you can go back and play literally thousands of old games.
>>720101885ok but how does that make new game less shit
>>720100780>there has never been a good GOTYdamn.
>>720101796Reminder that for everyone swearing up and down gaming is not fuckedA DLC was nominated for game of the year last year.>>720101561Oh no totally, apparently the scene for TF2 has mostly been like retards on youtube crying about not getting kickbacks from Valve or making weapons worse for like, 10 years.
>You will die before having the chance of playing all the games that will release in the future with super tech:(
>>720100597It's a bit of both. You are older and your personal time is different now than it was when you were a kid. There is still some good games coming out, but I feel like between indies and various forms of A games that there is so many more games coming out monthly than there was back in the early 2000s that games just tend to come and go without leaving any real impact on the community or on the player.I think companies were also generally willing to take risks prior to 2010 because game development had not bloated into costing millions of dollars so companies could try more experimental titles.
>>720100597The candle length doesn't affect the flame brightness
>>720100780Yet im not playing any of them. Instead, i choose to play assassins creed 4 ubislop. Ubislop. Even ubislop was good.
>>720100686Not everything is about dicks, the candle is just a representation of her time left, as you can see it is getting consumed and eventually will run out.
>>720101796>>720101585>>720101648I can only accept your opinions if you post what you consider good games.
>>720102239you got it dude
>>720100597Cutscenes and realismeme ruined videogames forever. PS1 killed videogames. Plus, Kojimbo was part of it, but I think Journos finished this medium. 2010 was a stupid era filled with "deconstructions", this is the reason why Kratos looks like a fat zoi instead a antihero. >Boy, We must be beta>Boy, We must be better cvcks>Boy, if your wife want an open relationship. You need to support her because toxic masculinityVideogames?>Dutch, we are bad men because we don't support trans rights in 18xxCome on, what the fuck, this is not a game
>halo 3 days of gathering up a full 8 man BTB squad of people who had the packaged microphone that came with the 360>vs now where everyone uses discord because you can get banned for precieved offenses and its cheaper to make a new discord then a new game account
>>720102112I believe it's more about things around getting darker.
>>720102239No need to show you good games if you think the "GOTY" ones you posted are good, you simply have shit taste and I would be wasting my time.
>>720102239>You can't make the plain nontroversial observation that those games are shit>You have to post what you like so I can declare them bad for no reason so this nonversation will go nowhere
>>720100597I still have fun but I notice it's somewhat cyclical now. I miss the old communities I had with games I played, but most moved on and some remained as long time friends.
>>720100597I know it's not me for a few reasons. The first is that I've gone back and played a lot of older games that I had never really even heard about or played as a kid. A lot of them are genuinely just more inventive than any modern game I've played. I think of stuff like Act Raiser, a combination city builder and action platformer on the SNES. I've never even heard of a game that's anything like it before or since. It's a lot of fun, and possibly more importantly, it's a lot of fun RIGHT AWAY. So many games are so terrified of just turning a player lose and letting them really get into the system. Part of that is that many games have a lot of sub-systems, but a lot of it is just general developer anxiety over people getting frustrated with not understanding everything at once. But for me, the process of exploring a game and learning how everything works through experience is half the fun. But modern game design sees that as a flaw, so you get multi-hour long hand holding tutorials. In Deus Ex you get an optional training range segment and then bam, you're exploring Liberty Island. And Deus Ex is way harder than any modern game I've played.The second, and possibly more damning reason, is that I've played what's popular with kids these days. Fortnite is okay, I have issues with Battle Royales in general but the game is fine for what it is. The real issue is "systems" like Roblox. Popular games on Roblox are all geared towards children and they're either an inferior ripoff of some other big game, or they're an insulting tangle of traps designed to get the kid to steal his mom's credit card to buy something. The game is secondary, all that matters is the dopamine trap. I just feel so bad for them, like say what you will about Pokemon or Smash Bros but at least it got me playing with my friends.
>>720100597Video games being "fun" to me now are fun in the same way a crossword puzzle is "fun" for some people. It occupies me, I want to finish it, but I'm not truly having a blast like I used to. Last time I felt like that was probably Splatoon 2 around 2019 at the latest. I completely blame myself too. There are a lot of things that are no longer fun to me. I don't think I'm good at the stress of adult life. I'm not even doing badly. Far from it - I'm doing very well. But there's a lot of pressure in not wanting to lose everything I've achieved that stresses me out.
>>720100597Yes I still have fun playing vidya it is the 30 yr olds who seem to have an aneurysm at every new game.
>>7201005971. would2. would3. wouldnext question
>>720100597Nah they've been shit since xbox 360/ps3
>>720100780>bad>good>bad>good>bad>good>bad>literally who?>good>good?
Speaking as an 80s born Anon, yes vidya can still be good, yes we are changing, but also the industry is changing as well and not always for the better. Imagine if I went back to my younger self in the 90s and told them that >All the games in the arcade, you can play them perfectly on your PC, or even on a handheld device, even your phone! MAME being phone capable or just experienced on PC would have been mind-blowing. Want to enjoy some Aliens vs Predator with your friends? Just load it up>Games come out at the same fidelity level as you'd get at an arcade, at home be it PC or console! At the time the only thing that was even similar to this was the NeoGeo, which was seen as outlandishly expensive at $650 but the big issue was the $200+ games each! Aside from that, arcades as great as they were, were generally vastly more visually and otherwise complex vs console titles. >Game types that you think of as console style/only are almost always given a contemporaneous PC releaseHell, up until Steam basically went out of their way to sort out Japanese dev's dependency on console manufacture platforms easily, it was still an issue. I remember Dynasty Warriors 8 XL coming to PC had no fucking online because Koei just didn't know how to make it work at the time. To say nothing for how for a long time certain genres/titles were predominantly console focused and others PC focused but thankfully that has started eroding in the past decade. >Games from Japan are given wide(r) release globally and mostly come with JP audio, no censorship, and reasonably accurate translation Its infuriating to see censorship return recently, but for a long time we let Japanese games be Japanese and devs realized thats what people wanted; likewise, games aren't just for kids. >Low barriers for indie games to be made and published digitally!There are certainly some things that are issues now, notably monetization and corporate greed, but vidya is still promising
>>720103475Has the cycle been broken?
>>720101968Well that is good to know. I think indie is about the only way to go these days.Also what this anon said. Especially about the risk part. >>720102034
>>720100780>posts a list made entirely of overpriced casual consoleslop
>>720103480>no censorship, and reasonably accurate translationthis did not last long after the 4kids era, unfortunately
>>720100780grim
I wish anyone who unironically uses "slop" to describe anything would get perma IP banned.
>>720100597no
>>720104019From debated somewhere in the 2000s until mid-late 2010s there was a period between the censorship bubbles where we got more Japanese releases than ever and they were reasonably intact. It wouldn't be until the culture war fad and global release targets intersected to make JP devs afraid of PR from social media stereotypes and/or hired the exact wrong kind of people doing the localizing and consultant work.
>>720103884It's not even a console vs PC thingAlthough I would day the state of consoles and get "reboots" every 5 years and people lose most of their library for no real reason so they don't have options.Consoles even as late as 7th gen got pretty fun games.
>>720101130What do you think clits are?
>>720100780>literally all woke except for Breath of the WildGod, without Nintendo we would be fucked
I played 5 great games from this year alone.
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>>720100686>>720101130>>720102148WrongIt's about how big cocks look like as she ages.
>>720107491You know honestly the most annoying thing about him being president is both times the already shit economy was blamed on him.
>>720100780still fucking UNREAL how they awarded SHITquision awards like it wasn't a shitty unfinished piece of shit
>>720100597Iwanna bang the hebe and hag versions.
>>720101130the ones I fuck do
>>720107679I'll have the other one then :)
>>720100597No, a lot of video games are really shitty nowadays. Especially western games.>>720100686Those are girls. The girl on the left is just going to be destroyed with that size.
>>7201007804 of those games are really really shitty though?
>>720100597The games you liked were always shit
>>720100597>no you see, i'm still a child without taxes to pay, i behave like one every day, it must be the gaymes becoming woke>not microtransactions and you-will-own-nothing slop thought, that's based and if you organise against it you're a eceleb faggot
>>720100597>posting cuck art
>>720108135>e-celeb faggot nigger that keeps tabs with his pathetic lifeVideogames, motherfucker.
>>720101573gameplay ramifications that fully use modern controllersimagine using the arrow buttons to turn the camera in a world where gow4,5 and crack exist
>>720100597Those two things are not independent of each other. It's still to say the landscape hasn't shifted at all over the years as AAA game take 5-7 years to release.It's also silly to say your tastes and standards have stayed the same and unchanged over a decade of experiences and if you argue they have then I pity you.
>>720103480>80s born Anon>even your phone!Kek at zoomster slip up
>>720108183wdym mf? this whole board is just grummz clones paid with the money he won't make a game with
>>720108301What's sort of funny is it's a failure on two levels since nobody has a home phone these days.
>>720100597>and it is us who are changing?I dunno man I've been playing some pretty fuckin' choice vidya lately. Finally got around to playing UFO 50 and that shit's great.
>>720100597Half as long, twice as bright
>>720100597Video games are still good and better than ever, just play the good ones.
>>720100597there are still some good games out there. the problem is that this medium is slowly being co-opted into ideologies that nobody wants. we laughed at dustborn and mass effect andromeda. but it's everywhere now. big releases are a mix of overflowing slop with a few good needles of gold in that mess of vomit haystack. it's going to be a painful next decade. and those who are having families now are leaving the medium mostly behind. latching on to one or two big name AAA slop machines that wring you for every penny. big name titles with premium price tags that are littered with microtransaction garbage are a literal crime against humanity. but here we are. gaming as we knew it a decade ago is dying. soon it'll be phone tier garbage with freemium crap that is disgusting. we're changing, yes. but you know when something is beautiful instinctively. and it's getting uglier out there anon. very ugly. hang on. there's still some glimmers of quality out there. for now. it kind of feels like living on the last habitable planet before the universe goes dark for me. maybe it's just me.
>>720108975>big releases are a mix of overflowing slop with a few good needles of gold in that mess of vomit haystackthis has literally always been the case you're just too biased to realize it
>>720100597I like playing old games.There's so many I've never played that are really cool.Like Summon Night swordcraft story! Drills are neat and the first bosses sword seems really strong, also this game's girls are really cute! I'm glad I have save states to see all the skits every day without having to replay a day.I'm gonna beat 1, 2 and then I'll need to learn jp for 3 but I can also go play all the normal summon nights I think but those are SRPGS but still seem cool!
>>720109061maybe so, maybe I'm just too pre-occupied with how much everything sucks. but still, it hurts. I just want something fun in my off time. not to be lectured, or to roll my eyes at a trope that's being beaten into me time and time and time again. I'm at the end of noticing. maybe that's compounding what I'm feeling. I'm tired man. I'm frustrated and I'm tired.
>>720107618who pays the tariffs?
>>720108135I don't understand?Like I am porn brainrotted and did the dick shadow joke but outside of that why would people complain?I guess after being bitched at by the Adventure Time game controversies he has become more spineless to save his kiketron but still.
>>720100597We are all slowly changing, but videogames have got worse and I can prove it - the majority of modern releases are remakes of older, better games.Anyone smugly announcing that games are better these days is either a shill or a retard and in either case they can be safely ignored.
>>720109328greedy companies who outsource to poor companies to save a few dollars in manufacturing costs.I'd gladly pay more for my outsourced goods if it meant that there's more jobs to go around, and less illegal aliens to take those jobs, meaning more competitive higher wages for all of us.Also, companies are realizing that the American market is too important to risk losing, and are spreading the cost to the rest of the world instead of just on the American consumer.
>>720100704Underrated post.That's what I'm doing recently, going back to older stuff I skipped on starting from arcade, and I'm having a lots of fun. I straight up don't feel any desire to touch anything new that's not a remake, and that ultimately just means I might want to replay the original.
>>720100597Fuck Marry Kill
>>720107491Can't wait for 2026
>>720100597I can say with confidence that gaming has got worse overall. Good games are still coming out but they are few and far between amongst all of the slop. "Big" games are almost always disappointments. The industry is going into overdrive with remakes that are somehow worse than 20+ year old games. I remember when I was a child, excited thinking about how awesome games will be in the future. Now as a 32 year old man I'm playing remakes of games from those times and just thinking "Damn this is fucking shit."Kind of like the state of modern 4chan.Or the modern internet.Or modern anything.
>>720100597Not really, same thing happened to music and movies. Now the normies and the zoomniggers moved to video games and they are worse than ever.
>>720100597>mfw uncut, horse, cut
>>720100780absolutely terrifying
>>720110817Who is the qt in the gif?
>>720111417that is a tiger
>>720111493A cat is fine too.
>>720111417She's from the greatest love story ever told. A tale as old as time. A story that everyone from 4chan used to know...
>>720111596I guess Ill just be gay now
>>720109328Are taxes good?
>>720100597As someone slowly chipping away at retro games via two different chinkhelds, I think I've cracked the code:>new games are more consistent, but bland as hell, are made in some generic engine, and have very few personal touches>old games are WAY less consistent in quality (and quality control), but often have way more personal touches and little quirksNot saying all new games are bad and all old games are good, but really, something's definitely been lost over the decades.>>720109417Remakes and sequels. It's happening in movies too, the only way anything sells is if it's a sequel to something that already has a fanbase because new shit is so ass nobody cares, then they burn up the old fans with the New Thing and move on. (I'm looking at YOU, Star Wars.)>>720110383Nothing ever changes, Anon. The country went Red Blue Blue Red and nothing happened, the only thing that changed is how the media talked about whoever's at the driver's seat.For anyone that actually paid any attention, man, the softballing Bdien got compared to Tmrup was incredible, I saw CNN was so mad about Turmp that they actually edited footage of him to make him neon orange, which is where I think most of the Cheeto stuff came from, they made him practically glow.It took all the way until the very fucking end before they finally took their foot off the gas pedal for Beidn and were finally forced into admitting he's old and senile as fuck after he fell down the stairs like five times and kept forgetting important people/events.Meanwhile the media ends up doing a 4-hour report about the psychology of a man getting two scoops of ice cream when everyone around him got one.
You can easily quantify the shittiness of modern games.
>>720111671It's Toradora.
>>720111748Depends on how the government uses it. Is there free universal health care, universal income and housing for the homeless? Then yes. Is the government reducing the taxes proportionally for the highest paid people in the country and using the increased bottom tax bracket to force the working class into slavery? Then no, they're just greedy corporate cucks bowing to the highest bidder, stealing power and making the poorest people pay for it, maintaining a system of oppression by protecting corporate entities and their private interest as if they were citizens and selling out actual citizens to insurance scam companies that reap the benefits of the aforementioned.
>>720100597With most stuff coming out as a non runnable mess and "early access" with a 2 year roadmap I'd say is going downhill. In general we become less optimistic about everything even games>>720102239Everybody copes differently with the thought of their dead, in the case of >>720100686 is by being a moron pretending he doesn't care.
>>720109328Nigger shit was expensive 2 and 11 years ago go be gay somewhere else.Or complain about real shit like the federal projects to dump billions of dollars into shit that makes me have to defend copyright.Cunt
>>720112407Thanks. I forgot I had seen this before but never properly watched it.I will now do so in order to properly appreciate the pornography.
used to love playing video games so much I would wake up early just to play them before going to school. did that up till college when dark souls 2 came out and I think that was the last game to gave me any kind of excitement. stress from working and going to school got to me I guess and that light faded with time. I can never relive those moments of joy from my youth
Candles represents how erect your cock is, goddamn lolicons
>>720100780I would play it takes two if I had friends
>>720111942Dude I was talking about silly pranks I don't care about American politics
>>720114070this is what the average lolicon candle look like
>>720114296oh trust me, they don't want 4chan schizo to finish their list.
>>720114296>>YOU VILL TURN YOUR LIFE INTO A CHECKLIST OF ACTIVITIES TO COMPLETE>instead of dying happily saying "I did everything I wanted to do" you will die saying "I STILL HAVE MORE THINGS TO DO ON MY EVER EXPANDING CHECKLIST"devilish, i like it
>>720114296soijak poster is right. if you have a checklist for life, you're a faggot.you can want to accomplish things, but bucket lists are for women and faggots
>>720100780man there are some embarrassing winners. Inquisition? how can anyone look back at that and not feel embarrassed at how shit the game awards panelists are
>>720100597videogames are great. indie games at least have made it so the volume of really good stuff has increased a lot, although a lot of it is going to be more nicheit's weird that AAA games have gotten so shit, but what can you do
I don't understand the image
>>720100597Remember that you are here for a good time, not a long time.
>>720100597There is definitly a fair amount of good game out there for all tastes.
>>720115390Thats the quote Destiny gave when he spoke about why he was giving a guy head on camera. Hedonism is fucking gay lol.
>>720100597Ok OP, show us the goods.
>>720100597
>>720115627>Hedonism is fucking gay lol.Not all hedonism is gay, but all gays are definitely hedonists.
>>720100597You can tell that the artist does porn based on the melted candle drip.
>>720100704I agree, but I also think it is a half-cope. The good old games usually have a dedicated fan base and people who talk about them at least a little bit. You can probably find multiple gameFAQs text documents for even the most literal shovelware of games if they were good/fun. There was always slop, but the older slop wasted away with the passage of time. It's the same thing with music.
>>720100597Expedition 33 convinced me video games can still be good
>>720115937is this one of those mensa IQ test questions
The last two people I talked to about videogames agreed that the older ones are better. Many millennials think that the ps1 and ps2 gen is best and many zoomers seem to think the ps3 or Xbox 360 gen is best. Probably truth to both since early 360 gen was really good. frankly I’m trying out Atari 2600 stuff right now, it’s primitive but I’m curious to see what stuff was like before my time and what the guys who designed my favorite games probably grew up playing.
>>720115937fuck you
>>720116572Not all older games are good of course, but you get more bangers.Nowdays it's more like a lot of trash, well-polished for sure, but still trash. And the one decent-ish game, no real bangers to speak of in at least one decade.
>>720116994Ill be interested to see what the new gen is going to think of games and look back longingly on.>when I was young I was playing every genre, I dont like racing games and I have several favourite racing games, same with RTS, JRPGs, fighting games shooters and even sports games etcLike, do kids now even play anything besides Roblox and Fortnite? Its a generation that was born with all this stuff that was made before they were born, and are still playing the same games, I just dont see kids today playing the games that are coming out, maybe Im wrong, it seems like the only things they are going to look back on is games they are still currently playing because thats all they play.
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>>720100597fixed
>>720117313One of those people I talked to was 24 and they mentioned liking halo a lot when they tried the MCC and played through the games, they like titanfall 2 a lot, and Minecraft. so my guess is that is an example of what that age group likes playing. not sure what else they play. but all those games are “older” by todays standards. I have a younger relative who is 18 or 19 and they are interested in the n64 which I found surprising. I’m sure they play newer stuff I think they play switch games, but they wanted a n64 which my brother and I will probably get them just to encourage them to try games they wouldn’t have access to otherwise. I think to answer your question though a lot of people who are younger will be nostalgic for smart phone games.
>>720100597has this guy worked on any game, other than Katawa Shoujo, in the last 20 years or so?>>720115937kek
>>720117313Isn't Roblox basically every game? Like you can boot it up today and go racing, tomorrow you can play an RPG and at the weekend you can have friendslop with your mates? Why buy 20 different games when one is all you need?
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>>720100780Only Nintendo seems to get better with time. Any time a company like Capcom seems like they get better, they immediately plummet.
>>720102239holy shit valkyrai chronicles is from 2008?
>>720102034>game development had not bloated into costing millionsGod, how did it all go wrong?
Guys i'm 30 and can't fap anymore bros...No more crazy bricked boners anymore bros...I exercise, I do a mile in under 10 mins, I eat chicken breast and rice and drink waterAnyone else know that feel?
>>720119816Nope, I don't even need 3D porn and fap to 2D drawings almost every day.
>>720119816I have always had a high sex drive and tons of sex but the type of boner I suspect youre talking about where it’s almost TOO hard is something I have rarely had ever in my life. still happens occasionally but rarely. if you can get hard enough to have sex there should be no problem and if you can’t then you probably have some kind of vitamin deficiency or some hormone thing that’s off I would guess. some guys I read who don’t get enough fat in their diet lose test. (can be healthy fat too like avacado, olive oil, tuna fish , mixed nut, etc) wish I could help you bro.I have to get surgery for an exercised induced hernia at some point soon so at least you don’t have to go through that. (Don’t do sit-ups with your feet locked into shit there’s a reason the military got rid of em)
>>720119816Also make sure you get your vitamin d, and eat healthy fruits and vegetables. I make smoothies for my family once or twice a week because they are too lazy to do it themselves. See if that helps. Nothing like an ice cold fruit smoothie closest thing you can get to an IRL health potion imo
i believe that the industry is changing drastically. A lot of these california tumblr millenial games just don’t appeal to anyone.The future looks indie, mobile, and when AAA is involved it will be for multiplayer games, until indie overtakes that too.
>>720100780It takes two is so bad. Please don’t share your opinion again
>>720120537Maybe it’s just nature correcting itself, videogames started out being made by small teams or even just one guy. They never were meant to be made by 500 people and a board of directors. perhaps soon we will even see the return of the double A studio.
>>720100780Notice how the only good games on this list are Japanese.
>>720100780BotW fucking sucked and did irreparable damage to the Zelda series.
>>720100941Jas is one of the reasons I still love video games.
>>720104561>literally all woke except the one where you're forced to praise a tranny and dress like oneretarddie
>>720119816>>Anyone else know that feel?>31>0 exercise, walk from bed to gaming chair, etc.>not obese, actually underweight, eat mostly pasta with some meat now and then>still fap thrice a day like i've been doing for the past 15 yearsDunno man, i jsut don't know
>>720100780actually triggered me so much that i had to give you a (You)
