Just beat this Masterpiece.Eigong forced me to fully comprehend the parry system and all my options in between for every combo. It was awesome, besides that this game is really something special on all fronts, between story, presentation and artstyle.
I also want to talk about it.Post memes at least.
>>720134581I like the visuals, story, and diologue, but I found the parrying and lack of i frames a bit frustrating.Its a game I only pick up when I feel really on point.
Was Fusang/Tao justified in genociding their entire species just to get rid of the few individuals that deserved it?
>want to talk about nine sols>threads always infested by furfags
>>720136884You're the first to bring it up faggot.>>720136190I enjoy fighting games plenty, most especially Third Strike, so this game was a complete joy to me. That air parry is amazing.
>>720136190Playing it now. I don't mind the parry in concept, but I don't like how it seems to be the only option in most cases. Between the enemy tracking and massive, poorly represented hitboxes it seems like dodging is just not allowed in a lot of fights.
>>720136884>play furshit game>win furshit prizes
>>720136339No not really. They were at peace too the fusang just got too owned by science
>>720134581welcome to the party
>>720138596Perfectly describes the descent into madness and skill this fight gives.
>>720134581I never bothered to learn how to parry, every time I needed to parry anything I did a jump parry since it has a billion parry frames, never did a standing parry never did the other retarded timed parry.
>>720140765the fuck did you do against the full-screen red attacks, just get reamed?
>>720136232Never ask a solarian supremacist the species of his favorite disciple.Headcanon: Kuafu hates apemen because Aimu joked about fucking them on her livestreams. And may not have been merely joking.
>>720140923The one of the final boss? The first two strikes are white, the third red slash I simply jump over it, there wasn't any other considerable red attack in the game.
>>720134581Silksong was fantastic but I think Nine Sols has it beat in the final boss department
>>720134581the final boss is good except the true ending
>>720141512what do you mean, the true ending version is what makes it an all-timerthat shit ruledthat shit took me 5+ hours over several weeks and I damn near dropped the game over it, but now once it's over and after a replay - that shit ruled
>>720141479If by 'beat' you mean 'gigantic learning curve out of nowhere'
Eigong taught me that raiding a senior home is a death wish
>>720141479Nine sols only has a fraction of bosses compared to silksong has but they're all better or on par with silksong's best. That game really could have used some more quality over quantity.
>>720141083we have the solution
>>720141512The true ending is fucking amazing though. This story is one of the grandest of Hubris i've seen in recent memory. The character tragedy all the way to the ultimate end of this species is so grand, i hadn't experienced that in a game in so long. I expected Yi to rez somewhere, but he never did... That finality is more than you could ever ask for in games these days.
>>720134581Is it better than Silksong?
>>720142848Art quality is on par. The story is way better, if not one of the best in vidya history. The gameplay is hit or miss on whether you'll prefer it to HK's.
>>720142848I enjoyed it far more than Hollow Knight at least. I cannot speak for Silksong. But what i like about Nine Sols is that it has it's own unique setting, theme, character design, and gameplay that isn't exactly and totally derivative of other games. Moving options feel good, the map is largew and the FOV of your character always gives you control and vision of what youre facing and gives you tons of leverage on how best to approach it. I don't like a lot about Hollow Knight after playing it for a while, but I'd say it's comparing Sekiro to I Wanna Be the Guy.>>720143230The comic scenes alone, and all the growing background assets and actual color usage of Nine Sols puts way far and above HK/SS in art quality. The Fengs battle alone had so much in one room that it made it as memorable as a painting.
>>720134581>Just beat this Masterpiece.Same a couple of weeks ago.I was still seeing regular threads about it at the start of the year, but I didn't get around to playing it for a while, and now every thread is lucky to get to 100 posts of which half are going to be sex picture bumps with no content.
>>720143507That's fine, I'm glad people can play it and experience still, even if talking points and interest wanes. You don't get a special game like this very often so be happy you got to experience it at all, right?I'm debating when i want to do a second run so i can get 100% achievements.
>>720142848Nine Sols is a lot more tightly focused. There's much more emphasis on character-based narrative, it's rarely ambiguous where to go or how to get there, and the exploration/platforming is fairly rote. The combat in Nine Sols has slightly more depth but is also much more defensively slanted in a way that leads to a lot of parry timing/facing but de-emphasizes positioning whereas Silksong is all movement and positioning. Both are extremely good but aiming for different things.
>>720134581>Eigong forced me to fully comprehend the parry system and all my options in between for every combo.All she did for me was teach me how to spam unbounded parries which I had neglected up to that point. She's really not hard as soon as you learn her attack patterns.>>720138596Maybe I'm wired wrong but after two hours repeating the same fight over and over again and slowly getting better it didn't feel epic. At some point you perfectly grasp the separation between her attack sequences, so the fight becomes>parry attack you've already learned>wait for her next move>did you read it right? cool, parry and repeat>was it one of the tricky moves and you read it wrong and misplayed? whoops, -50% health, find an opportunity to heal>repeat until either eigong's 1000000 hp runs out or your pipe vials run out, whichever comes firstBeing an endurance fight made it a lot less epic in the end.
>>720134581Is this harder than Silksong or not? I finished too but everyone is talking about Silksong's difficulty like it were something else
>>720142781Yi kept getting rezzed by the roots, but the roots got infected and then Yi (rightfully) nuked them, so rip
based. elder god tier 10/10 masterpiece of a game. True Eigong is one of the greatest boss fights of all time. I still fight her at least once a month and listen to the end credits song every time I'm in the gym
>>720145331Different kind of difficulty. Nine Sols is punishing but every situation typically has straightforward answers and your defensive options are extremely strong. Silksong requires a lot more movement and because the amount of area available is so vast it's very probable to get to places where you're intended to have stronger gear or different tools, but get fed to a woodchipper. On top of that you start with 5 HP and so much shit does 2 damage that even once you get four pieces of heart 6 isn't more than 5.
>>720136190Same. Parrying is just a gay mechanic in all games
>>720145140>She's really not hard as soon as you learn her attack patterns.Of course things aren't hard once you learn them anon. But the learning is what people consider hard. If you go into a fight and lose, the fight for you should atomically register as "challenging" and if you lose 5-10-20+ times, the fight is most definitely hard. Every single fight isnt hard, once you know exactly what to do, huh?You being over analytically and reductive doesn't change the experience. It's all those moments working in tandem that make the fight an experience. A solid portion of my play time was just understanding Eigongs attacks, how i can best retaliate, and what options/builds i could make to improve. It felt just like fight labbing a fighting game but in boss form. I screamed out when i got that last hit in. The final boss should be a final challenge of the game, to put to the test everything you learned, games forget this fact and always make a victory lap lately, so to have a final boss actually challenge the player, and put to the test the skills the game should have taught is master class.
>>720142848I liked HK and was excited for Silksong but Nine Sols unironically killed my hype for it. I love 2d combat but I only play a metroidvania every few years because I just don't like the backtracking and don't care much about explorationNine Sols was the absolute perfect game for me because of that, plus I'm a storyfag and Nine Sols story is one of the best in any game in a long timeI'll still play Silksong eventually Im just not in a hurry to
>>720143760I'm still seething that the robot fight achievement is so easily missable if you don't follow the EXACT exploration order necessary for it.>see miniboss>nowhere else in the game has there been a point in turning back when meeting a miniboss>fight it around the center of the arena, because who would bother running all across the wide-ass room to the other side to see the locked mecha, and the miniboss isn't super mobile anyway so you can just sit around one spot and whack and parry it>kill the boss, move on, see the locked mecha, "huh, I wonder what that's for">later exploring the other pathway>buncha platforming later get to the miniboss room from above, with access to the mecha door switch>unlock the mecha>sit in it and walk around the miniboss arena like a dunceHow the fuck was I supposed to know?It's also so far in the endgame, or I think at least 50% of the game through to even be able to access the area if you rush to it ASAP.
>>720145331nine sols is a quick-time rhythm game, hk/silksong is a more standard "avoid the hurtbox" combat platformer
I haven't played the game yet, but the boy is really cute.
>>720145828if shuanshuan was a loli instead, nine sols would go down as one of the greatest games of all time
>>720145910Thankfully he’s a shota so it’s even better than that
>>720145828You should play it, you get to be his big brother and mentor
>>720145498No but seriously my point was that even learning her attack patterns isn't hard. She has like three actually different slash combos, and sometimes she combines them in a few more variations but fundamentally it's the same three (four-slash move, one slash then dash forward, and three quick pokes). Then for her red attacks you need to learn to spot her teleporting upwards meaning it's going to be a slam, vs. just teleporting somewhere else which means it's gonna be another talisman grab attempt.That's it, these are all you need to learn to be able to have a fighting chance against her. It takes a couple of minutes minutes to suss out the timing of her sword swipes and maybe 5-10 minutes to learn to differentiate the teleports. You've now solved the first two phases of the fight, everything else is basically piss easy except the phase 3 full screen slash which is the only "difficult" attack in her entire moveset.The only reason it takes a while to beat eigong is because it's an endurance fight so you need perfect consistency. If you're 90% consistent at parrying her attacks you'll just run out of healing and health before you manage to kill her. It's not difficult, it's just training your muscle memory to parry it over and over again. When you're at 90% consistency you're parrying every attack except one in ten and then you still die, so you replay the battle and maybe you manage to parry 91% of attacks, still fuck up and die, replay the battle twenty more times and finally you get a good run where the amount of times you fucked up was low enough to outlast her.It just doesn't feel "hard" when you're effortlessly parrying almost all attacks but the fight is just so long that eventually you fuck up and have to start all over again, continue effortlessly parrying and just pray your streak doesn't lapse this time around.
>>720145910Yi doesn't need a loli, he has an imouto
Good morning I am here to complain about the divine hand jade>wow every parry after an unbound counter will automatically become an unbound counter>awesome I will be able to unbound counter everything!! imagine the internal damage DPS!>it fucking disables charging a new unbound counter while it's active, so there's a window of time after one parry where the next parry neither counts as an automatic unbound nor do you have enough time to charge a new unboundWhat the shit. This seems like such an obvious issue with an extremely simple fix that it's gotta be intentional, but why did they make it this way? It's a late game jade that feels like it should be an upgrade in your damage but instead it's just a sidegrade for when you can parry.
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>>720134581Oh this game has a parry system... I'll just go ahead and unwishlist it.
>>720146905It has a parry 'system' the same way Sekiro does; the entire rhythm of combat and boss design centers around it. That might make it more palatable (it did for me), might make it less so.
当女同事在会议上穿着非常紧的瑜伽裤时。
>>720146689when you get that gap can't you dash it? so you're getting big internal damage on regular strings at the cost of needing to dash ender some others
Fun fact: Divine Hand is the only mandatory jade if you want to 100% the game without ever upgrading any skill or equipping any optional combat jades. I'll leave it to you to figure out why.
>Want a sequel>Game ended in a way that makes a sequel or any DLC impossible
>>720145828You raise this kiddo and he becomes a cultured young man.
>>720147207Anons have floated ideas of Yi navigating Diyu, which in some forms of Chinese mythology is similar to Purgatory, to atone for what he did and further his emotional arc.
>>720146456Would you say learning the piano is hard? Or drawing?
>>720147253The game makes it clear he's supposed to be the yellow emperor or atleast the NS universe's equivalent
>>720147472that sounds atrocious
>>720147563To be fair, no one here has more than a passing familiarity with Chinese mythology that they didn't get from Nine Sols or Wukong
>>720147129You can precise parry it, even. But the only reason to even take that jade is to maximise the internal damage. If I'm just trading off being able to unbound some attacks against being able to unbound others, it's now very meh and seems like it requires re-learning all the timing of parries and counters in return for a very situational benefit.For example Eigong's triple poke can be jade handed but not normally unbounded, so it gives you two extra unbounds after the first poke. But her four-slash sequence can be comfortably manually unbounded but not jade handed, so you have to unbound -> precise -> unbound -> precise (or vice-versa), so you LOSE two unbounded.I think overall jade hand does give you slightly more internal damage, because there's a few special attacks (like her phase 2 sword beams, or the ghost triple slash behind her) which I think probably puts it over the edge overall, but I'm not even certain because of how often she does the basic sword attacks where you lose damage. And the big cost is again re-learning all the timings and muscle memory - I know right now when I can UB charge and when I need to precise parry, but now suddenly fuck you no there's a wide window where I cannot UB charge how I'm used to.I know the latter is a skill issue but I'm just annoyed that it barely adds any damage and only on situational attacks, and loses you damage on plenty of other attacks. The description says nothing about it and it's very unintuitive, and I don't see why it'd be useful for balance.
>>720147207The "bad" ending actually keeps the possibility of a sequel.Alternatively, Shuanshuan name sounds oddly similar to Xuanyuan which is a legendary warrior/emperor/figure, so the sequel could have a grown up Shuanshuan going full emperor mode.
>>720147207A sequel is highly unlikely, but a prequel taking place during the Turbulent Era could work.
>>720147651I only knew about it out because of another anon's theory, but it makes sense.>>720147207>>720147472Maybe it could go full circle and a human scientist in the future reactivates the gene that gave Solarians their intelligence in housecats.
>>720147551They're "hard" but not in a way of "this is epic I'm finally parrying!" / "this is epic I can finally play this/draw well!". They're hard because they take years of practice to get good at, many thousands of hours to hone the skill.Eigong takes like 3-5 hours to beat, maybe. If you practice drawing for 3-5 hours you might maybe with a bit of luck figure out very rough sketching motions, or learn the basics of hand movements for piano and learn some simple one-handed melodies. Most people wouldn't call playing simple melodies on one hand hard, for example.If anything Eigong's "hardness" reminds me more of some speedrunning skip hardness, where you just grind for 2, 3, 10 hours and then you get lucky and hit the frame perfect pixel perfect skip and you're like "woohoo I did it!". But you don't particularly feel epic while you're in the process of grinding for it, it's mostly a slog followed by relief that you've finally gotten the achievement and don't need to keep mindlessly grinding anymore.
>>720147167I'm trying to think about it but I really can't figure it out. Can you give me a hint as to where? What sidequest, or which area?
>>720148127>and don't need to keep mindlessly grinding anymore.Mastery is repetition until it's second nature, not stopping the moment your dopamine receptors get their first hit.
>>720148190nta but pretty sure it's the statue parry sequences in Leer's tombs.
>>720148319That could make sense, but I don't remember what combat skills or jades would be mandatory if you don't have divine hand.
>>720148246I don't disagree I just don't think it makes for an epic fight. There's no meaningful difference between being 90% consistent and being 95% consistent except that with the latter you have a good chance of outlasting Eigong and finally winning the fight.I'm glad I did it, I would not have liked to have given up at the very end and I'm satisfied with my completion of the game. But I just don't feel like it was such an amazing moment like everyone says it was.If anything, I also think it hurts the story pacing. You got a lot of very heavy development right before the end, then Yi steps forth for his final battle, and then he just respawns 50 times over for hours on end while the story takes a break as you grind it out. And then finally it picks up again and you have the (very well made and poignant) final cutscenes except they're rather less poignant for the massive interruption that just happened than if they had somehow managed to flow a bit more coherently with the pre-boss story.
Chien's game when.
>>720134581Figures that a phoneposting nigger would enjoy a homoerotic interspecies story.
>>720148127Where I'll dispute that is the fact that once you understand how to beat Eigong, those lessons allow you to absolutely dismantle the rest of the game. She's a test of mastery that's an echelon above anything else in the game, and in that sense she's a bullshit difficulty spike that requires memorization and a complete reset of playstyle, but on replay it's clear that the playstyle that beats Eigong is the way the game is meant to be played.
>>720134581post the dancing webm
>>720138259It's less that you can't get away with dodging, and more that dodging never pays off as well as parrying, and eventually it's always possible, unlike dodging.I found the charged parry to be a suitable replacement for dodging, but I can fully understand people preferring the early game where those moves have to be avoided outright instead.
>>720134581I got up to the end right before you fight eigong and my favorite bosses are jiequan and ji, fucking HATED lady etheral and fuxi second phase was annoying. Worst two bosses in the game by far
>>720150415>hated lady EShit taste
>>720150415My favorite boss was lady ethereal, her laugh got burned into my memory.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqyDSPbDyl8
Goumang, Yanlao, Jiequan, and Ji all honestly needed an extra phase, even if some of their health pool got redistributed in the process. They all introduce an idea in their fights but all fail to fully expand on it in their respective second phases (or not at all in Goumang's case). Fuxi and Nu Wa also needed more patterns that aren't just solved by spamming air parry to cover both directions. Despite that, I think Fuxi (and obviously Eigong) are the best bosses in the game.
>>720150539>>720150854The spirit ball and annoying ost ruined it for me>Entire ost is just a chink woman screaming in your earMuted the ost and i managed to beat it. Dog shit.
>>720149285Is she natty?
>>720151153I'm fairly certain the bosses were designed in roughly the order they appear, and it's been confirmed that Eigong's third phase was hacked together in a week right before release. I think if they had a second pass at everything most bosses would get an additional phase.
>>720152514I would pay standard DLC price +tip for NG+ support and extra boss phases.
>>720152125He doesn’t deserve her
>giant chubby kind woman>cute tiny angry manThis game has great, uh, gameplay
>>720148190>>720148319>>720148501It's indeed one of the Lear tombs, without the skill you can only deflect using unbounded counters and some of the statues attack so closely together that you can only get by using divine hand.
>>720153148everyone deserves a big tiddy goth gf
>>720152874This. Give me Chien fights, and just more parry bosses and content in general.
>>720153148
>>720153276I wish Chien had more of a presence in the story. Just this background character you catch glimpses of but always out of reach until it was too late.
Yi shoulda been female
>>720153148True
This game was phenomenal. I feel like it's probably ruined hollow knight for me.
>>720153148>>720153273>>720153473>>720153794>when your gf can be mistaken for your mom
>>720136339>the few individualsDoing nothing about said individuals heavily implies consent and agreement. The entire race is responsible.
Are apemen being harvested supposed to be a nod at China invading Taiwan?
>>720154072I've sucked tiddy the size of my head but imagine tiddy the size of your body...
>>720142848I would say both are top notch but the combat is what will make one like a game over the other. In HK you are going to zip and jump around hurboxes while constantly on the attack, in NS you are going to stand there and say "no" to everything that is thrown at you until you can throw back a "no u" so strong it kills your enemies.
>>720147651Jokes on you, all my chinese culture knowledge actually comes from Dynasty Warriors.
>>720136339This is what I hate about the story, or maybe what I hate about taoism. What counts as going with the tao, and what counts as fighting against the current? Is Tao chill with what Eigong did? If not, then it would be correct action to try and reverse it. Alternatively, if Tao wishes your entire civilization to die a sufferable death, you should fight against the Tao.
>>720154397I don't feel like Lu Bu would've done shit against the tianhuo but what do I know
>Jump and parry>Feel like i got more frames than parrying on the ground
>>720154542This nigga lost his pp for power just to be defeated by an angry catlet.
>>720154729You not only get more frames, you also parry from all directions, the jump parry trivializes any fight.
why the fuck is Yi so short compared to the other solarians
>>720154801Maybe it's retractable now. He could've done anything to that dick.
Silksong made me realize how good Nine Souls is. Not because Silksong is bad. But despite both being hard, Nine Sols felt way less frustrating for me.
>>720134581>look inside>it's chinkslopCan't fool me
>>720154881weed stunts your growthalso it's implied that he stopped growing after the lab accident so it's possible that his regeneration means he's physically in a form of stasis - he'll always heal back to his current body but he can't age or grow
>>720154881because he died when he was young and fusangs revive stopped him from growing. That or he was just cursed with manlet genes.
>>720155037>Silksong has lolibaba>Nine Sols has shotababa
>>720151613>hating the lady E soundtrackINCREDIBLY shit taste
>>720154881For gameplay reasons, but otherwise is due to his codependent immortality.
>>720134581Eigong took me like two hours to beat my first time, but ever since then I've been able to reliably beat her on every rematch (sometimes with no damage)Its an incredible last fight
>>720155114shotajiji*
>>720155114>shotababaThe actual term is "shotajiji".
>>720155114>>720155321>>720155337Yi and Hornet art seems like an inevitability at this point.
>>720154874I know it felt too easy to parry every flying projectile versus being grounded
>>720155037So this whole time every sol is fighting what amounts to a ten year old who knows king fu
>>720155157Jiequan soundtrack has the same chants but they're better since its not just some cunt going EEEEEEEA. Suck my dick
>>720155774Yeah but they're doing that whole taoist 'strength of will is strength of body' thing so Yi's able to weaponize his autism. That's what his talismans are.
>>720155569I want to see a pic of those two with their shota sidekicks Shuanshuan and Sherma
>>720155774Yi can somehow materialize a sword out of thin air so they were technically fighting a cat version of koksal baba
He did literally nothing wrong
Was that scene fucking necessery?!?
>>720151613>>720155157>>720155862>Jiequan theme conveys the intensity of the grudge between him and Yi>Lady Ethereal theme sounds like dementia in audio form>Fuxi theme is a chink opera with his wasted sister hollering in the background>Ji theme carries a rare air of finalityThis game's soundtrack is one of the most inspired I've ever seen.
>>720156398Yes. Much of Yi's emotional arc comes from his realization that mastery of the physical does not correlate to mastery of the spiritual. By trying and failing to deepthroat Shaunshaun's 10-incher Yi learns that he cannot conflate someone's appearance with their ability, much less their value.
>>720156283Except the whole apeman genocide, brain harvesting and apeman kill machine, I guess, ah, and also the genocide of his own species and worst of all he didn't bring his sister with him
>>720153249Ohhh, I forgot bullet reflect is a skill in general
>>720156540>Eigong phase 3 is Yi's themeBased beyond all comprehension
>>720156608He was literally trying to leave the ship to tell Heng she was right when Eigong threw him off a cliff.
Started this, played for about 8 hours and then just dropped it. I remember I was stuck on some huge centaur robot boss in a blue pyramid or some shit, and there was also some guy with health regen in a tiny cage in the depths of some kind of factory level, I never could get past that one either. I did beat the bird ladyI want to finish the game but at this point I think I'd have to start from scratch cause I don't even remember where I was supposed to be going
>>720157043He should have parried that.
>>720156398Why does he sit like this?
>>720157086Holy filtered, lady ethereal will be your breaking point even if you manage to progress, so just stay down.
>>720156283Why is he getting impregnated
>>720152942He knows that. Or he realized that too late.
>>720142848Silksong has a lot better movement and no stupid retarded gimmick sections that make replaying a bore. The bosses in Nine Sols beat the shit out of everything in Silksong, except the first bosses that are just Silksong bosses. But from the red warlord forward, Nine Sols owns.
>>720153148She's a carpetmuncher
>>720157043Heng’s revenge AU when
It's one of the best games I've played in recent memory. I beat it with a pirated copy and the game went on sale shortly after, and like the autist I am I decided to beat it again. The Eigong fight has got to be the highlight of the game for me too, really satisfying to go learn that fight. I wish there was a post game mode where you could fight a harder version of bosses on par with Eigong.
>>720156283As far as video game characters go, Yi has quite possibly done THE MOST wrong. Little bastard has a lot to atone for, you wouldn't expect it from someone so adorably small and seemingly non-threatening.
>>720156283>>720156608he came up with the eternal cauldron and essentially trapped the remainder of his species in a coffin along with the cat god tree.
>>720157247precocious brat trying to seduce solarian men with his primate peaches
I think the final boss was a bit overtuned and basically forces you to use auto detonations. They are probably better generally but I managed fine with the aesthetically cooler mega detonation but I got nowhere with it on the final boss and had to relearn a lot. Other than that it's a hella good game.
>game looks genuinely cool>its unavoidable parryslopFuuuuuuck
>>720157590hk makes you feel like a little bug with how much you pogo and skitter around during fights so if that’s what they were going for they succeeded
>>720158405try forming your own opinions about things instead of letting your brain get infested with /v/ermin buzzwords
>>720158570>argueslopreddit is down the hall
>>720158361I rarely detonated talismans most (if not all) of my damage was from charged attacks, I use the thingie that makes your charged attack into a big sword and consumes a talisman charge.
>>720149483I'm not sure I agree there. Now this is with the caveat that I haven't replayed the entire game yet, but I did spend a little while re-doing the entire ending to get the other achievement plus a bit of extra exploration because I had missed a couple of jades, and I also spent some time messing around in battle memories against other bosses, so I do have a little bit of gameplay against both normal enemies and bosses after having beat eigong.Maybe my fighting style against eigong was just bad or something, but it can be boiled down to "stand still, memorise the timing of her attack animations (especially since some of her sword slashes do the modern fromsoft windup freeze for some reason), and parry repeatedly". This is, by and large, the easiest strategy against all single enemies in the game, and I didn't need to reach the final boss to learn this. The other thing eigong taught me was her specific attack patterns, which is completely non-transferable since every enemy in the game has unique attack patterns and timings, and the first time you encounter a new enemy is always the most difficult as you have to learn those from scratch - and you can only get better by facing that same enemy repeatedly, to learn its specific timings better.The only times when you don't want to use the "parry everything, strike back when there's an opening" strategy is either when there's multiple enemies, or when the enemies are weak and you wanna speed things up. The former happens a lot and Eigong does nothing to teach you multi-enemy coordination. The latter happens extremely often in normal gameplay - I rarely bother trying to perfect parry everything, I just parry to get some Qi and avoid damage while trying to get a bunch of sword swings in, then talisman for a strong enemy, or just sword to death for a weaker one.The only thing eigong would have taught me is how to fight minibosses better but I had already learnt that by the end of the game.
>>720158570Is parrying mandatory in nearly every fight throughout the game? Yes or no?
Just about getting close to wrapping it up, i did a new easy run for the chip achievement and now all thats left is doing the normal endingAnd then spending 5 hours on true ending eigong
>>720158940I parried more on my Eigang attempts than in the rest of the entire game combined.Which why i probably see so many posts about her being "hard" or difficulty spikes. You don't NEED parries until her fight, but its usually the best course of actions.
>>720158940yes, and? why is that "slop"?
>>720158940>Is parrying mandatory in nearly every fight throughout the game?About half. You're going to get hard walled by some of the later fights without parrying.
>>720158940Yes. Fortunately you can get by with the reaction parry (for the most part). Unbounded Counter, on the other hand, is a pain in the ass since it's a predictive parry you can only hold about a second, locks you in place, and has to be charged. Was never any good at using it. But be warned that later fights will heavily incentivise mastering.
>>720159132I too just beat the game on standard yesterday and I really liked it but I never have patience to 100% metroidvanias. going for every item is a big oofs for me dwag.
>>720157086The centaur is designed to fuck your mouth if you try to use dodging and positioning to avoid damage. Parry or die.
>>720157773I'd play it
>>720159721There isn't a single boss fight in the game that requires the timed counter.The one and only time when that parry is mandatory is at the tomb when doing the parry thingies.
>>720160151nine sols was one of the few metroidvanias i went for 100% item completion on, I think the indicator for area completion was the push to go for it since otherwise i assume there's some rock or wall i didn't check. Felt pretty natural to get them all except for looking up the sheet music puzzle, what the fuck were they thinking
>>720160472the puzzle answer is given to you when you inspect the item shuanshuan gives you. no need to look up.
>>720160151nine sols is really easy to 100%, the game world is really linear so you never have to traverse to far out of reach places and it tells you exactly the types of items you're missing from each screen
>>720160663I think he meant the kickstarter bell puzzle with the suns in the painting in Empyrean District. Which I also agree is pretty dumb.
>>720160752yeah the second puzzle, the first was fine. if anything it made the second one even more confusing since i thought it'd still be related to that first scroll in some fashion.
>>720160447It's not required, no, but the keyword there was "incentivising". Jiequan, Fuxi and Eigong's red flame attacks are much more difficult to counter/avoid with just dashing than they are with an unbounded counter.
>>720160752oh yeah that one stumped me to lol, felt so dumb when i looked up the solution
>>720161376I just hit the bells randomly and got it.
>>720160681I only wish there was some sort of indicator that you collected everything in the area
>>720134581way better game than shillsong
>>720161364For my first playthrough I didn't use the unbounded counter even once during boss fights, I would just dash through red attacks instead.But for my second I actually took the time to learn it and some of the attack patterns are really kino, like Nuwa's needle into Fuxi's red flame axe, or Eigong's uppercut > downing aerial attack > red flame.
>>720161903>I only wish there was some sort of indicator that you collected everything in the areathere literally is retard
I finished this recently too so it's nice to have this thread.In a precious thread when discussing Eigong one of you faggots said that she had a fuckmetric amount of HP, quoting something like 5000/7000/5000 for each phaseI went into the fight expecting phase 3 which was non-existent. What the fuck where you talking about?
>>720162585You got the normal ending instead of the true end. For the true end you need to get the rhizomatic bomb from the grotto of scriptures, and get every present for Shuanshuan & every Shennong health upgrade
>>720162585She only has a third pase if you pick the "save the apemen" ending when prompted in the pavilion.You need to basically 100% all the story-related content, give Shuanshuan all gifts and Shennong all poisons.
>>720134581It took me until the ninjas in the pleasure quarter that you have to face enemies in order to parry them
>>720162725>True ending needs 100% explorationMore metroidvanias should do this
>>720162585Eigong has 3 phases for the true ending, on the third phase she goes full vergil mode, juggling included, but it is you who gets juggled around.
>>720162585you got the normal/bad end
You know a game is overhyped dogshit when the insufferable fanbase jerks off about pretentious shit like how obscure the storytelling is or how profound some shallow metaphor is but never bother to talk about or show something about the gameplay worth giving a fuck about Dont breed and neck it, retards
>>720162768Ah fuck damnitI did retrieve the bomb plans and I also have Shuanshuan affinity/Shennong is the leader of the tribe, but I mashed on the dialogue by mistakeI wanted to do a second run and choose the other ending but now Silksong is in the way
>>720134581You have now experienced the best 2D combat system ever. Every new game of the same genre will feel like shit from now on
>>720162725>>720163037>>720163067When selecting the completed save and continue, it puts me before the branching path. Safe to assume that I'll be able to choose the other ending this way?
>>720163451Yes
>>720163451yeah, just go back to the shrine place and unlock the tombs to fight the miniboss in the center, also collect everything and give the gifts to boy and drunk guy if you haven't
>>720163451Yeah, you can get the normal ending and the true ending in the same save file, alternatively if you don't feel like doing it you can go to the boss arena and fight Eigong directly, I think she will have her phase 3 in there too.
>>720163157>Obscure storyWhoever says this is a retard. The story is VERY clearly told
>>720163157There is nothing obscure about the story, cats have super aids and everyone is going to die, but before that happens the angry little guy will get his revenge.That's literally the gist of it, a tale of revenge while in the middle of a dying civilization.
>>720163037https://youtu.be/09_8fFrPxkg?list=PL-JorAWAIKcmd_ZtufmUcPb7FVVWuj5Yk&t=31Play this with that gif on.
>>720136029Me in the middle (happiest moment)
>>720163565>>720163570>>720163576Neat, thanks
I missed nine sols threadsspoilering it I made it lewd
>>720164313Delet this. That faggot doesn't deserve her.
>>720163173If you continue your save after you beat the game you will continue from the last checkpoint before the point of no return.
>>720164313She doesn't deserve him
>>720165093I like that Taipei is completely covered in 9 sols art
>>720166735why is she covered in bird poop
>>720166735that was august 10, this is the next day
>>720165306She just wanted to farm REALLY bad is that so much to ask
>>720166812Ruined
>>720165093>>720166415I never realized it until now but Taiwan is steadily on the path to become the furfag capital of the east
>>720164313>>720166974Everything points to her having a mommy complex of some sort
>>720146689>it fucking disables charging a new unbound counter while it's activePretty sure you can charge if you just hold the parry button after a consecutive unbound. I only use unbound counters against Eigong unless I'm in the air or it's her talisman, and you need to delay unbounds every now and then in her attack strings.
>>720167689>Is one of the solarians that views apemen like shit>Yet chose to "revive" to kid apemen she liked instead of having solarian guards or even solarian zombies>Has logs about them mourning their deaths so she didn't do it out of maliceShe probably would've been a better person if eigong didn't groom her.
>>720134581sadly I'm too autistic to play it until I know for certain whether it'll have dlc, but it looks good
>>720170612>Logs about mourning their deathsI must have missed those, all i remember was a coffing inscription that said abused
>>720171481Tortured corpse inscription"A life cut short too soon. The Abused - dead at 19."The inscription on this coffin looks like it was written by Goumang.Just what it says off the wiki, def comes off a bit melancholic even if it isn't much. I feel like I remember reading that the other died of being forced to starve but idk where the fuck that was.
>>720170612She had an image to uphold I assume so she payed lip service to the cat superiority zeitgeist. You can’t have one of the people’s heroes treating the filthy slave monkeys like her own kids in public.
>>720170909it's not getting DLC
>>720172879That and also she was probably just not mentally well at the point you meet her. Kept completely out of the loop from eigong (which hits harder since she's closer to her than the other sols), probably mentally damaged from the dreamscape, and having those two kids you revived being mindless zombies probably did a number. I'm surprised kaufu is mostly alright being in the dreamscape so often.
sisters, is this game really all that and a bag of titty skittles? i dont want to waste my money on it if it's no good...
>>720174097after 40 hours in silksong, I liked Nine Sols more.
Should I play this or continue replaying Hollow Knight tonight? I'm stuck trying to decide.
>>720136190>>720138259>>720145471skill issue casual alertThe dodge has invnicibilty frames and you can add the ability to extend its rangeYou are suppose to work on those reflexes gramps.Boomer reflexes are for boomers
>>720173646Her story is kind of fucked>Wake up prematurely>Have a migraine from dreamscape>Check sector condition>Agricultural sector is in shambles and disrepair>Traitor who you thought was dead suddenly arrives>Try to dispose of him but your slave zombies fuck up>Okay I can still fix this>Why is communications down?>Where the hell is everyone?>What? Zombies in the->Oh shit that midget reached me>Fine this time I'll kill him->FUCK MY KNEESI wish Goumang wasn't disposed of so early. Would've loved to see her get mind broken as the story progressed.
>>720174398I would not be surprised if it was in the cards at some point. They have said there's a lot of cut content like an entirely extra final boss. Goumang would be the most interesting imo, given she's very early on and has that dynamic with yi (both under eigong) and would be cool to see interaction with shuanshuan with food/farming.
>>720139691Literally me.
>>720174862i will never get over chien being a generic mold zombie after all that build up
>>720175920>Chien just some generic zombie you just kill and shanghai gets owned immediately>Xingtian just going off to die to his brother who is just as much a nothing fight I refuse to believe they didn't want to flesh them out more or wanted other characters to be npcs.
This game lives rent free in my head these daysI can't stop thinking about how much of an asshole Yi was towards Heng and what his last words towards her wereHaven't done true ending so hopefully he gets a better redemption arc thereI don't wanna live with regret
>>720177009I know it'd be a cheap move but really wished that the true end was Yi returning to this moment with all his memories after the true end.
>>720177009>Hey bro, maybe you should just sit down and accept that we are all fucked and will die of super toxoplasmosis, rules of nature lmao.She was retarded and I don't get the love.
>>720177453She regrets it later but Eigong prevented them from meeting one last time
>>720153249I did it without divine hand don't know what you're talking about
>>720134581Eigong is a terrible boss, had to finish the game in story mode.
>>720178490I suck at games but beating Eigong inch by inch was one of the most satisfying gaming experiences I've ever had.
>>720178490Filtered lmao.
>>720178564I'm terrible as well, had fun with Isshin Sword Saint, but Eigong was too much for me. Maybe I should've tried harder, idk.
>>720178564same, usually I get frustrated at dying over and over but learning true eigong was a pure joy. easily one of the greatest boss figure ever
>>720177453They were both retarded let's be real.>Hey let's sit down and accept death, just give up bro>Hey sis get on this ship and sleep for 500 years we will SURELY have the cure if we just try hard enoughI don't think any side is good here.
>>720177009>how to keep your big brother's love with one easy trick
>>720179073I mean, Yi at least tried, and arguably he keeps trying during the normal ending.
>>720179073Personally her scenes came off as her trying to tell him to accept the possibility of there being no solution and not to take on too much burden on himself, but couldn't had worded it any worse.
>>720168958not enough of lewds of her getting mind controlled and freely used honestly
>>720179073Yeah that's the point, and considering how much time Yi spends reminiscing his time with her he obviously regrets how he handled thingsDisowning your only family is just way too harsh
Is Yi the only one to actually care about the Apemen in some way and view them as people or were they any other solarians who thought "man maybe sending these sentient beings who worship us to solve bitcoin equations for us for all eternity is kinda fucked up"
>>720178490Honestly, her difficulty is way overhyped.
>>720180693I want to go on a limb and say most of it was probably properganda with a small amount of elitism. Sorta like how badly leaders made some racial groups look to the public like during ww2 to the point normal people looked at them like subhumans.They probably fed the idea that apemen are spear/rock throwing cavemen who are beneath them and that being used like how they were was befitting for them. Feel like there's some in-game text where some solarians were surprised at how intelligent the apemen were from how they were described but they were prob still too indoctrinated at that point.
>>720180693Yi looks apemen as livestock, it has his idea to abduct and harvest them shuanshuan is just a pet he picked up along the way and since he somewhat reminded him of his sister, he let shuan hang around.
>thread is nothing but furniggers lusting over the furshit characters.kek if this game had no furry shit none of you would have given a flying fuck about it, fact. however it is good to know this game genuinely has nothing going for it unless you are a furry nigger.
>>720181024Hey bro I'm sorry you got raped by a furry at some point in life but venting in this thread won't do a thing, file a police report and do therapy or something
>>720136190You'll get used to it, I hated the first hour, even thought of dropping the game, I dropped difficulty, thought nah this is retarded, restarted the playthrough completely and then it just worked out, one of my fav if not fav game.
>>720181024your loss, faggot. I'm as far from a furfag as it gets and it's one of my favorite games of all time
>>720179157>>720179592>>720180056Heng was fsr less pushy but was far too out there spiritually to explain why she wouldn't want to leave to yi without it sounding cryptic and bordering on crazy.And Yi was a lot more aggressive in getting his point across but also was at least willing to try something, which ended up go against Heng's mentality of accepting the fate the taos path was giving her and he didn't help when he said he wouldnt want a sister who would decide to die with the other "crazy" zealots.There biggest mistake was likely not trying hard enough to just understand the others side and hear them out, only finding out way later why the other was so adamant on their choices.
>>720181408Yeah Yi went from zero to 100 way too fast, but that makes sense for him
>As petals fall, I dream of our past>No ailment, no pain, in sunset's glow, we're cast>Singing as we wander, our longing so vast>Beloved, in a hundred years, we may reunite at last
>>720181716Eigong had him too cooked. She was probably rizzing him up constantly on his experiments and discoveries, if goumang being so salty is anything to go by.
GIVE IT TO ME STRAIGHT VEE, IS IT BETTER THAN SILKSONG?
>>720182006they're both really good games. just play them both
why do you guys like Goumang so muchif she had her way, she'd turn you into a zombie, ring a bell to force you to cum on her metal legs on command and you'd all be like "hell yes" to that scenario stop wishing for that, rise above it, be one with the tao
>>720182186She'd spare me if i called her mommy.
>>720182214she'd target you specifically to be her personal zombie
>>720182186Hell yes.But also shes hot and seems nice deep down. She didnt seem to have more than just those 2 as zombies I think I'm safe.
>>720181742>Fusang shipping them in the background
>>720178490Eigong has perfect fight design you are just bad. Every move is fair when you know how to parry it or dodge. People have beaten her in like 20 seconds.
>>720182186Does the Tao allow me breed elitist bird pussy?
>>720181878>>720182186It's funny how goumang is pissed that she wasn't teacher's favorite despite being a grown ass woman
>>720181024Bait used to be believable
Full Control or Water Flow? Whats better for eigong
>>720185784She is a female cat those bitches are very territorial even more so than males.
>>720185909Neither, use your talisman charges for stronger charged attacks.
>>720185909Full control for bossesWater flow for crowds
Does this play well on Switch 2? It's on sale in eshop atm for the lowest price.Or is there any point waiting for sale on ps5 or steam?
>>720187603Just pirate it on PC lmao
>>720185946She was screwed considering she's an agricultural specialist and her rival is literally cat Einstein
>>720185909I liked full control The biggest game changer for me in the fight was learning that her grab attack has a super low hitbox, (probably cuz yi is so short lmao) so if you just jump up a tiny bit you can talisman through her easily and get a 5 qi full control off. She uses that move at predictable times too, like right after that one move with the 3 delayed wind strikes.
>>720187776>(probably cuz yi is so short lmao) i like how you can mess with fuxi by weaving between his legs during his boss fight>aww hold still! c'mere-dammit! NUWA! GET HIM FOR ME!
Does anyone have that pic of what kind of cats the characters are with the last one being just bowling ball?
>>720188170Now that I look at it, this probably isn't it
>>720134581It's so much better than Shitsong. No runbacks, no backtracking, no farming, no cryptic shitty story and dialogue a la Soulsshit. Just a damn good game
>>720188170I gotchu
>>720190805I thought Jiequan was a tiger
>>720190968Hard to say, though they might be going off his child appearance?
>>720136029
>>720191146I want to say tiger since they vastly outclass lions in the strength department and are even more brutal
Can't believe there was a 9S thread and I missed most of it
>>720191794the catalog is a little silked up to be usable lately...
>>720191794xia women are so beautiful
>>720191794I played nine sols late so I enjoyed this thread greatly, can't believe I ignored this game when /v/ was all over it.
>>720191924Better late than never, I was quite late to it as well. Nothing wrong with it, but most of the conversation has already been had
>>720134581I thought this was just a chinese copy of HK so skipped on playing up about a month ago. It's actually amazing. It has less metroidvania and a lot more story stuff than HK, but it stands extremely well on that.
>>720185784I want to french kiss Goumang's thighs
>>720188269Still cute!
>>720190805Ayyy cheers mate!
>>720191924I played it a week after launch after initially dismissing it as "cheap chinese HK clone", boy did I feel like a moron.
>>720191924Thankfully it still gets threads and they tend to have at least a sliver of discussion, though it's a lot of waifuposting these days. I'm glad for it, because the threads are what got me to push through Eigong when I played the first time.
>>720154104I think it's supposed to be a nod at the hubris of technology. You know, the entire theme of Eigong's downfall and also Yi's until he repentsNot everything is a fucking real world political metaphor, plus nothing suggests the solarians are supposed to be CCP
>>720155862For me it's Fuxi's. OoooOOAAaAAAaa!
Yi and Goumang should hug and kiss each other!
>>720194521imagine the hatesex
>>720158361You detonate a talisman when you knock her down after parrying a red attack. Except in phase 2 where she sometimes jumps up and does the ghost triple slash but then you just get a 3-pip detonation off instead of the full 5-pip one.
>>720160472>>720161376Yeah same, I spent like 40 minutes staring at the painting and trying to make sense of the logic.I had the idea of sorting them by pitch but the thing is the bells have some sort of different timbre, that or I'm completely fucking tone deaf, so I came up with some schizo ordering that was entirely wrong. I had almost the right solution though, when I looked it up and saw that the pitch goes left to right or some shit like that I got the answer first try, and then I was mad at both myself and the game. Fuck.
>>720164313Yi does NOT have a mouth
>>720169584Huh, are you using divine hand, and are you still able to UC the usual 4-slash sword attack for example?The wiki apparently agrees with me: https://ninesols.wiki.gg/wiki/Divine_Hand_Jade>The Divine Hand Jade can actually make it more awkward to use repeated Unbounded Counters against two attacks spaced apart by a certain longer delay. This is because the jade makes it impossible to perform normal parries during its ~0.65s activation window, so there is a brief window (from ~0.65s to ~1.15s after the previous Unbounded Counter) in which additional Unbounded Counters cannot be performed if standing still, neither by the Divine Hand effect nor by being charged conventionally.But the wiki also mentions you can cancel the divine hand effect by moving which doesn't eliminate the issue but lets you charge a new UC sooner so maybe that's good enough to get it back in time for Eigong's normal attacks. I'll need to try that.
>>720141862Most of Nine Sols' bosses are forgettable outside of Eigong
>>720177009>I don't wanna live with regretWell you picked the wrong game for that my man
>>720195341Hey, hey.It's more of dying followed by eternal unlife in the void, with regret
>>720192764The Chinese are going to tsunami the board in the gnosticism/torture erotica department so hard once decent localizations for indie-indie titles start rolling in.
>>720177009> I don't wanna live with regretWhat can change the nature of a cat?
>>720185909The fight is nice because it really lets you pick your preferred style, and showcases how differently you can approach combat by the end of the game when you have all the tools.I think the most popular strategy is to ubnound counter as often as possible to maximise internal damage, and then water flow makes it easier to realise that damage but full control also lets you do a decent chunk on top of that, and you don't need to apply the internal damage too often except to actually end a phase (you can even beat an entire phase with just internal damage and then do a single 1-pip talisman to instantly one-shot her). So it doesn't matter too much.You can even do Qi Blast and spam the azure bow a lot more often. There are not too many opportunities to use full control, so if you're going for a normal damage strategy then this may well be the better DPS option.
>>720188269lmao jiequan
I can't take Yi seriously. I know he's supposed to be a no nonsense Chinese scientist/scholar that committed horrific atrocities and condemned an entire race of sentient people to a fate worse than death for his own's races own gain and only realizes the horrific nature of his actions after he starts bonding with one of them but he's just a funny little cat that takes big hits from his pipe and will parry anything you throw at him
>>720195710he's just a little autistic is all
>>720195710he's just a lil guy
If Hollow Knight is the Dark Souls of Metroidvanias and Nine Sols is the Sekiro of Metroidvanias, what's the Bloodborne of Metroidvanias?
>>720196382To me the main qualities of Bloodborne are an emphasis on aggression in combat, ranged tools that augment your melee, a story about the nature of power and duty, and a design that is both full of motifs alluding to Dark Souls but in conversation with it rather than iterating on it. Recency bias definitely leans me towards saying Silksong but I'm also struggling to think of anything else that strikes the same notes.
>>720196382>Nine Sols is the Sekiro of MetroidvaniasIt's nothing like Sekiro
>>720197184I understand you find the comparison reductive, but let's be real here, anon.
>>720196382> guns> lots of blood> lots of giant motherfuckers whose knees you scrape to win> random katanas uhhhhh
>>720197924And i'm upset that devs think that way.It's nothing like Sekiro, and it sucks
I couldn't get into Sekiro but loved Nine SolsI played HK because people kept comparing it to NS but didn't enjoy it either
>>720194671>I hope he gets the hint
>>720182006You could make a case for them being about as good, but can't say it's better. Nine Sols definitely has more engaging characterisation and storytelling, but Silksong's general exploration (e.g. area complexity, environmental variety) is superior. Other aspects, like music and combat, are more difficult to separate, as Ji and Hornet both have reasonably extensive toolkits/movement options by mid-game.
>>720200123>JiFuck, I meant Yi. Keep getting their names mixed up
I understand that final boss needs to be the hardest, but I think they went overboard. It's like the whole game steadily progresses difficulty from 1 to 6, then BAM, true end Eigong is a 10.
>>720200252I was convinced there was some kind of connection between the two because they’re both short guys and then he grows like four sizes out of nowhere
>>720200581a most brutal mogging
>>720200309I agree, I think some of the other bosses really needed to be harder. A lot of them, when I beat them I still didn't feel like I had mastered them, just got a really good run through sheer luck.Eigong went really far in the other direction, I felt like I had a good grasp of the fight long before I finally managed to get all the way through. It may not actually be the case but I feel like having beat her, I'm also not that far away from doing a no-hit run too if I really wanted to. Which as you said is fine for a final boss, but the other bosses just feel underwhelming in comparison.
>>720201034i wish two giant claws appeared and stretched him out like taffy
>the antisocial schizo guy who doesn't trust "the elite", is a fat bastard and a drunkard>his nickname is "ah-nong"I think it's a coincidence but kekkity
I really wanted to like this game but it filtered me after 2-3 areas. It was just too hard, I sucked at the parry timing, and it became mind-numbing instead of fun, so I ended up dropping it. I suspect I misunderstood the proper parry timing or it was badly telegraphed because I just couldn't make sense of it. Sad because I was liking the systems in general, but I just knew that I'd end up inevitably getting walled later on.
>>720201803I don't get it, what is ah-nong supposed to imply?
>>720202462you can always play the journalist mode, tune the difficulty all the way down and then progressively turn it up as you learn how to play
>>720202651But that's the thing, I wasn't getting better. I just kept throwing myself at encounters over and over until I lucked out, leaving with no better understanding of why my parries were never connecting even though I though I was reacting to the cue and it seemed like it should be good. Until eventually I just got tired.
>>720202601She basically calls him anon
>>720202462>>720202792When I first started the game I also found the parry timing rather unintuitive, but it's just how the game works. For a perfect parry you need to press the buttom 0.1 seconds before the hit, so if you overtune it and try to predict exactly when the attack will connect and press it a frame too late (or I think maybe on the same frame? I'm not sure of that detail), it's too late and won't register. And the imperfect parry mechanic lets you register a parry (with internal damage) up to 0.6s before the attack, so another half second too early for a perfect parry, but still adds zero leeway for parrying too late.The result is that you need to learn to press the parry button just before the attack hits, not exactly the frame it hits. Specifically you need to aim for 0.05 seconds before, giving you +-0.05 seconds of leeway, and lean towards the side of making it a bit too early so you can at least get an imperfect parry if you fail. If you're always aiming your muscle memory for the exact frame where the attack visibly connects, any imprecision causing you to be even slightly too late will fail the parry entirely.But the thing is I managed to improve my muscle memory and the way I read enemy attacks within the first or second area or so. I was still not fantastic at it and I was still dying a lot up to around the 4th or 5th areas but if you're really struggling to comprehend the timing at all after three areas then maybe the game just isn't for you, yeah. It's not just hard, it requires a very specific skill in timing and reaction which is not necessarily something everyone finds fun.
what if they make a sequel and it's 3D
>>720153473I always pull on my cats tongue when this happens.
>>720179976Fuck off, we need more lovey dovey art between her and apemen.
Sex with Shaun Shaun.
>>720150415I liked all of them except Jiequan, idk, he was extremely easy for some reason, I didn't even use the item on him. Honestly, hardest bosses were the centaur, the first real boss and Eigong, everyone else was easy or decently difficult. I was ready to drop the game on Centaur
>>720189309Even the worst runbacks are like 5 seconds at worst and those are mostly mini bosses that you can come back later while being op as fuck and mop the floor with them
>>720202462Just practice until you get the timing down, pick off enemies and don’t be afraid to just run past them. You get a mid air parry that’s much more forgiving early on.
>>720203967Bigger enemies just feel harder in this game because to me at least it feels harder to read the exact timing of their attacks and react to when I need to parry. Centaur beat my ass at the start of the game too.But Goumang was even harder because you've got two niggers on your ass at all times and have to manage them both (and you normally don't have the bow at that point)
>>720204010Are you talking about 9S or silksong? I haven't played silksong but people keep complaining about minutes-long runbacks there.
>a nine sols thread that's still alive when I wake up in the morningwow
>>720147207What do you mean? Lear is right there waiting for his prequel.
>>720204059I would agree with you that she is harder, but I don't know, I guess I was just in the flow/in the zone and beat her fairly quickly. She was also my first boss ever because I lowered the difficulty on Centaur, then deleted the save because I didn't feel good about it, started a new and accidentally got to Goumang and bought the game since I was piratingIt was very satisfying though.
>>720204309Fair. I've also heard other people saying Goumang wasn't that bad so maybe I just have a mental defficiency with tracking multiple targetsI also had a massive problem with the prison guy (kanghui I think, the one locked in stocks who begs you to kill him), and I only realised later that I forgot the bow exists and I should've used it a lot more so that was my fault, but without using the bow it was the most painful boss of all and felt ten times harder than eigong (even if it didn't take me as long to beat)
>>720160337Centaur is a great "do you get it?" Boss. Until you accept the game is demanding parrying you get walled.
>>720204432Oh yeah he was def unsatisfyingly annoying, unlike Ethereal that was decent and felt really good to beat.
>>720204491I'm >>720204059 and I just think huge enemies are really hard to read the timing of. It's also your first boss so coming in I wasn't super great at parrying in general yet and my timing even for normal enemies was shaky. I personally think it's about the right difficulty for a "hard game" with hard bosses, but he's definitely still pretty damn hard even if you're doing your absolute best to parry like a good goy (like I was).Like, at that point you've probably fought maybe 2-3 enemies max that have a green attack you need to tai chi kick, and the muscle memory to jump up and do the mid-air kick is just not there yet so you have to consciously react to all of this, all while you're also consciously trying to adjust your parry timing because you're getting hit 30% of the time and getting imprecise parries 50% of the time.And you probably only have two heals at that point.
>>720182006I like both
>>720204653Ethereal is incredibly fun, I don't know how or why but everyone seems to love her fight and so do I.Maybe it's the fact that it's not too hard while also being extremely fast-paced and you're forced to keep up with her attacks and go fight off every new clone, thus pumping you with adrenaline and feeling exhilarating while also not being so hard that it's frustrating. And her phase 3 repeated green dash is kino when you realise what the attack pattern is and just perfectly counter like 5-6 red dashes and get rewarded with stunning her and an opportunity for a max power talisman.
>>720204432I brute forced the fight with water flow and the mid air block lol, forgot about the bow stunning enemies
>>720204107Shillsong
Fantastic kino game.I wish Yi and Heng a love filled reincarnation after passing through the dao.
>>720205015Water flow is the best at that point I think since you only have the two qi anyway (I don't remember if it deals less damage than a 2-pip qi blast but if it is it can't be much). It was still incredibly nerve wracking to keep parrying both, stagger their kills to maximise goumang timing, and make sure I got a talisman off on her without getting fucked up by the other guy or mis-applying the talisman.Plus again it's only the second fight in the game. I think if you had to fight both fuxi and nuwa in the arena it would've been kino and a really fun double battle (though what they went for is thematically cool too), but by the point of goumang I was better than with yingzhao but still not perfect at parrying
>>720205217I was talking about kanghui i.e. the glory hole guy in the prison section
>>720205335Oh right I mixed up the reply chainsYeah I also made it harder on myself by using full control for some dumb reason. But even still by the time he spawns a guardian, two dogs, and instantly shits out four flies and then keeps shitting out more before you get to clean up the rest, I had trouble even parrying anything reliably, even in mid-air
>>720205335>KanghuiProbably the worst boss theme wise, nigga gets forced to reverse vore enemies for eternity
>>720205634>Made an incest joke at a royal banquet>Subjected to eternal torture as punishmentDon't fuck with the Fengs unless you're related
>>720205854That hat looks stupid
>>720168958funny thing about this, it was made in response to a certain drawthread spammer
>>720205104close to the end the whole thing is pure kino, when the puzzle starts to come together, Heng's messages, virus and its origin etc
>>720206006Sex
>>720206006I will never forgive Yi for what he did to her
>>720199964>day 864>Yi still doesn't know why they need to train martial arts this way, but is confident he will get a win soon>Goumang has given up hinting and is now just using Yi as a dildo
>>720205912Sound like someone wants to be built into the wall
>>720205912>Your face looks stupid
>>720206396Honestly there wasn't a happy end for them>split apart, what we got>Yi stays, has to watch Heng die slowly wracked with guilt believing that he could've saved her if he'd talked sense into her>Heng goes, spiritually crushed, probably winds up a mindless mutant kept imprisoned by Yi, he'd go read her stories like he used until he wakes up to find himself revived in the fusang roots after she loses control, only to repeat the cycle again the next night
>>720207014the dao can be a real bitch
>>720207014I think>split apart but with a happy farewell, each one believing they're doing the best but wishing the other successis about as good as it could've been, and, while far from perfect, would have been miles better than what we got. Goodbyes matter.Of course to some degree that would have required at least Yi to entertain the idea of giving up on soience and giving in to the Tao, long before he was ever ready to accept the concept, so it would've been a rather out of character for him at that point. But nevertheless if it had been possible it would've been a better ending.
>>720207764But that still leaves Heng dying painfully alone and Yi learning everything he worked for is a lie, and being shanked by his mentor, and with no messages this time I assume.
>>720207764>>720207014Honestly, if Eigong didn't kill Yi when he was leaving to go apologise to Heng I think that would've been the best ending possible but it was not part of the dao
>>720208036Possibly. We may never know until the nine sols dating game Heng route
>>720208017>Hend dying painfullyPeacefully, no?>Yi learning everything he worked for is a lie, and being shanked by his mentorYou win some you lose some, there was never a guarantee of success. And in a universe where Yi is self-aware enough to accept his sister's PoV he would probably also be a bit more open to the possibility of failure than in his canon state of being indoctrinated by Eigong (who never accepted failure even to the last). He'd do his best and realise it didn't work, oh well, it was their best shot and the alternative was just dying immediately anyway.>and with no messages this time I assumeWhy wouldn't Heng just send some voicemail every now and then to tell her beloved brother how things are going and wish him well in his endeavours as long as she was still alive?
How do I enjoy this piece if shit game? Even after getting multiple heals and extended lifebar everything just fucking kills me if I miss a single parry. It's hyped as one of the greatest game ever made and I can recognize that a lot of work was put into this game, it controls tightly, it looks and sounds nice, the quality is there but I have difficult time getting gud and enjoying it to the fullest.
>>720208147How do I get the Lady E ending
>>720205912They are sex appeal limiters. Without them no solarian in a mile radius would be able to contain themselves.
>>720134581I hate games with hp bars over every enemy's head so I'll never play this. Art style looks nice besides that.
>>720209040It's not from a single parry. Now you're right that it is quite punishing, a lot of enemies can take off 1/3rd of your health in one attack, and some stronger enemies can two-shot you (though it's a good bit rarer). But saying everything is a one-shot is an exaggeration.The answer is simply to get good - it's normal to die a lot when starting out (which is one big reason I fucking HATE the corpse run mechanic, its only outcome is to fuck over new players for no reason, and to ever so slightly annoy experience players, and provide no reward or satisfaction to either). You're expected to be able to parry almost every single attack, and it's normal to not have a lot of leeway if you do get hit. Play more defensive, avoid challenging groups of enemies if possible, play analytical and focus carefully on enemy attack patterns, and use your bow when the level gets hard. If you can beeline the maxed out qi blast in the skill tree the bow becomes a lot more fun to use since you can recharge it.And remember that an imprecise parry only deals internal damage which will heal back up. The ultimate goal is to be able to perfect parry everything and the game rewards you for it, but if you get an imprecise parry it's not the end of the world. If you're fighting an enemy that's really tough (or if you're stuck in a group of enemies) it may well be smart to retreat and heal back up if you feel like you're just gonna get hit and die.Ironically by the endgame once I had gotten gud I was barely ever dying despite the enemies ramping up significantly in damage and health and speed and attack patterns. (Enemies keep 3-4 shotting you throughout the game even as you keep upgrading your health, by the way.) The game just half a learning curve this steep, about the first half of the game you'll be dying a lot to small simple early game enemies, and eventually you'll be parrying late game epic ninja enemies with minimal efforts.
The devs had just closed some channels on Discord to make way for an announcement for an upcoming event. Thoughts?
>>720213669>Thoughts?I hate discord tranniesUninstalling the game now
>>720213669Nine Sols 2
>>720210171Gotta refuse to smack her giant cat butt when she asks then help her with the whole trauma brain thing. It's a long route but it's worth it. I know this because I am linked by the fusang to one of my descendants who 100% cleared the game after it definitely comes out in the future
>>720215273Eighteen sols! Not a single one fewer!
>Started this before silksong>Gonna come back to it post-skongFeels good and also kind of bad knowing I have two insanely good metroidvanias to power through and then just have NOTHING.Can someone post that Yi image that says "how about I fucking kill you" it makes me giggle
>>720216598
I just beat 2 phase eigong after about 2 hours. How hard am i gonna get my shit pushed in when i do the good ending?
>>720216842thank you anon
>>720216598> and then just have NOTHINGuh, nigga, your second Rabi-Ribi playthrough?
>>720217038that would imply I've played it a first time. Real-talk, but I'll probably go back and finally play/beat Astlibra.art-style kinda turns me off tbqh
>>720216598Shinobi art of vengeance is also a metroidvania that you can play after, 2 chink metroidvanias back to back
>>720217556yeah that one was on my radar too. Waiting for the Switch 2 version to get a resolution bump though. Demo was fun but it looked like shit.
>>720216941Phase 3 is going to wall you hard for a bit til you figure out how to dodge it, once you do you'll just wreck her hard since you should know her parry patterns by then.The biggest challenge is not getting too tilted since you'll have to redo the fight each time just figuring out phase 3.
>>720134581Is this Hollow Knight for furfags? How obnoxious is the story/characters?
>>720218181I can do phase 1 perfectly and i only fail trough my own impatiance of attaching a talismanPhase 2 i dont exactly have memorised since i still dont know the best moments to attach talismans (seriously this bitch needed more openings) and her unbound counter stun is too short in phase 2 to apply a full 5 hit full control talisman Needless to say i might get fucked by phase 2 and 3
>>720196975Nah I agree with you as well, particularly about gameplay (aggression and the tools for it)9S focuses a lot on parry/defense Silksong heavily favors offense as bloodborne does, multiple fights will have you overwhelmed with mobs/summons if you're not forward enough. The rest matches too, the only thing that doesn't is the overarching theme (dread in bb, hope in ss)
>>720218219Hollow Knight is Hollow knight for "fur"(anthro insects) fags, faggot.
>>720198047Reminder S&S has BB ranged weapon parries into viscerals
>>720218980>Animal fuckers are called furries>Lizard fuckers are called scalliesWhat are bug fuckers called?
>>720219379Hollowtroons
>>720219379No one's gonna shove some ants up their urethra or whatever, bug fuckers literally do not exist.
I really like the game, one of the few ones I bothered to 100%. I don't really care for Heng, though.
>>720219587>No one's gonna shove some ants up their urethraI wouldnt put it past them
>>720204414black coffee update when
>>720175920>>720176269chien was apparently supposed to be her own boss fight
>>720134581NINE SUS
>>720216598Nine sols is not a fucking metroidvania reeeeeeeeeeIt's a 2D combat-focused story-driven action platformer
>>720216941Basically both of the three phase bosses (Eigong and E) have one bullshit attack on phase three that takes at least 5-6 attempts to learn to trial and error your way through until you figure out how it works. Once you do that the phase can probably be beaten in 2-3 attempts, especially if you have a bunch of health left. (Eigong particularly, since ironically I think it's harder to heal during the E fight than Eigong's.)So in both cases you need to git gud enough to be able to comfortably beat the first two phases about 8-10 times and then victory will be easy. Hope you're consistent enough with winning easy mode Eigong over and over with most of your pipe vials intact.
>>720221165>Not a metroidvania>You unlock abilities that open up more parts of the mapAnon...
>>720201759
>>720221659>Feminine character>Proceeds to experience twink death when you beat himI lol'd
>>720218471For the 5-hit talisman, it's random whether she wakes up from her stun or not, sometimes you can apply it and sometimes you have to drop it at 3 and panic parry. That's fine, and worth it over taking a hit. Otherwise the moments to attach a talisman are exactly the same as in phase 1.I think if you're fancy you might be able to wait until she does the forward dash out of the stun and then attach your talisman, since she just sits there for a couple of seconds while the ghost slashes play behind her. But I don't know if there's a way to predict this, and if you wait too long you'll lose the opportunity if she doesn't do the dash and just stays stunned.In any case the best strategy is to internaldamagemaxx using the charge parries. The talisman explosion's main job is then to apply all the internal damage, so it's not a huge deal if you get a 3-hit rather than a 5-hit off, it's only a small reduction in your damage overall.
I love Shuanshuan!
>>720221842>>Proceeds to experience twink death when you beat himI think that's just normal death anon
>>720221894Her slashing forward and doing phatom slashes behind her became my most consistent way of attaching 5 hit talismans, sometimes the hit box is fucky and i get damaged when im right on her. Phase 1 has a nice rythm of learning the safest moments to attach talismans and well...it gets kinda dropped in phase 2 sadly
>>720222586I think it's not so much that it gets dropped in phase 2 as just she sometimes fights back (and sometimes it still works), just to keep you on your toes. IMO it thematically fits with the difficulty of the fight, she doesn't just start throwing in more powerful attacks with each phase but she also "learns" and starts actively countering Yi's moves. She's supposed to be the ultimate martial master of the era, the one Yi learned everything from, I think it's only fair if she doesn't go down easy and it'd be kinda cheap if you could spend the entire fight just stunning her for an easy hit all the way through.Also like another anon said you can apparently find a way to attach a 5 hit talisman during her own talisman dash, which I've never done myself but sounds very neat. There are also other points where she takes a breather and doesn't attack for a moment, even in phase 2 (less so in phase 3), so if you're good enough you can talisman her even more often though it's obviously much harder to judge the right moments for this without getting punished.
>>720221916Shoulda been female
>>720134581It's good. Not Silksong good, but good.
>>720222015Shave it!
>>720223036>Talisman her during her own talisman dashI really gotta see if thats possible, shes gonna grab you every time
>>720142848It's almost the complete opposite of Hollow Knight/Silksong. The exploration is trash/minimal, there is a LOT of story, dialog and cutscenes, the combat is pure parry slop.
>>720223848Filtered
>>720146456This whole post is just describing how hard the boss is lmao, /v/ niggas cling so hard to the>uhhh it's actually piss easy you casualfor literally every game, you don't have to do this you know
>>720224738>Its actually piss easy casualThat applies once you built muscle memory and know the boss moveset inside out retard bro
>>720146689For me it was>bring it to fight to see how it works>get off an unbound counter, nice>next attack takes slightly too long to happen so my parry is basicIt just seems so specific that you'd need to look up or figure out the exact attacks where it's useful rather than just apply it like a proper upgrade, and at that point why bother because you already know that attack well enough to handle it any other way
>>720224170He's not totally wrong, it's just that the combat is a lot of fun and the story/dialogue is good. The exploration aspect is so much more minimal than HK that the games feel very different, if /v/ weren't so addicted to baiting each other there'd be no reason to bring up HK in every Nine Sols thread
>>720223691According to the other anon's posts above the hitbox is pretty low so you can jump over the grab. Yi's own talisman hitbox is pretty generous so I expect you can probably apply yours even while technically jumping above her. I've never tried it myself but it sounds plausible
>>720224738The point of the whole post is that it takes 10 minutes to learn her and get 50%+ success rate against her attacks, and then the entire fight is just an endurance fight. Endurance is hard but it's a very different kind of difficulty to having to constantly react to new things, and it doesn't feel as exhilarating as say dodging a bunch of difficult attacks in hollow knight by actively using your movement.Parrying is just one button after all.
>>720221659That's only one giant claw, though
>>720225778I've tried it recently and you simply jump and do a talisman input instead of a kick
>>720219587>bug fuckers literally do not exist.lol lmao
>>720219587wrong
>>720164260Did they really believe Solarians could truly be saved?
>>720215273Silksols, already.
>>720216941I had like 2 hours on the second phase and 1 hour on the third phase. Third phase is definitely hardest, but you will have an easier time adjusting to it, since you adjusted to the boss.
>>720231617“We’re about to pull the most thoroughly insane and lengthy research retreat ever devised” is pretty compelling. Hell, if Eigong didn’t go thoroughly buttfuck insane they might have had an actual chance.
>>720231916I don't remember how it works, is every Solarian destined to become flowers because of their tao? Or was it only those that were plagued with the virus? They could've devised a plan to get themselves a healthy Solarian population and breed on some distant planet, like Shuanshuan's Earth, if unaffected wouldn't get sick.
>>720232654So you could say that Solarians are built for human men?
>>720232815Goumang already proved that didn't she?
>>720232654The virus was magic bullshit that spread without any contact, root god declared the race must die.
>>720232914Yeah but iirc the origin was Eigong's fault, or was it acceleration of it?
>>720232986Eigong was the final straw and her making more than one Solarian truly immortal made root god shovel the whole species straight into the trash starting with her immortals.
>>720232986Prolly she experimented on Solarians genes and root god said "nah, you gone too far. Shoud have followed the tao."
>>720233140>>720233162Theres a root god?
>>720233334No idea, at some point a metaphysical force associated with fusang just crossed its metaphysical arms and every cat started turning into flowers.
>>720233334There is some spiritual force, which is what saved Yi, and it clearly responds to certain actions
>>720233502>root god condones only the purest incest
>>720233519Pure love is pure love, whether it's incestual or not...I doubt like an actual force like that would care about it, both real world and fiction.
>>720232986>old fucks running the Tiandao council want to live forever>hey Eigong, go figure out immortality or you're fired>k>Yi gets blown up but Fusang kept him alive>Eigong figures Fusang has some magic immortality juice>she experiments with it, accidentally makes virus that turns solarians into plants (oopsie ;3)It's literally all her fault
>>720232914Wasn't it spores? The plants shot their load and saturated the air around them when they sprouted I'm pretty sure. By the time anyone knew what was happening the disease had a strongfoothold on their planet like fucking Plague Inc.
>>720234564They never once actually found a vector. If it was spores the hyperadvanced cat society would probably have figured it out.
Precious bowling ball
>>720234564It's genetics, there's no spreads it just happen. Unselss you deevolve Solarian to be common cats
>>720234564it's a soul disease like nier
>>720234775Right, the Tao gene that was responsible for them being smart also made them susceptible to turning into plants, I wonder how it spreads on the ground though. Don't we see the fields of those flowers back on their planet in one of the endings, unless all of those were corpses. I really like game's take on pyramids and cat worship, fits perfectly considering how much we don't know about ancient Egypt.
ahw yeah, janny applications are now opened.your disgusting furshit threads days are numbered, you fucking subhumans.
>>720235330lololol discord tranny
>>720195710That's perfect though, specifically because of his stoic personality and dorky small body you can experience the true pain of his decisions on his part.
>>720235230Someone floated the idea that Kuafu got freaky with some apewomen and his children were the cat based gods in ancient societies
>>720235515Wait is the game set before humans got modernised?
>>720235230The fields of flowers were all corpses. By the late stage of the problem everywhere was depopulated and covered in the flowers.
>>720235670IIRC good ending is the end of the ice age on Earth , which is kind of a big spoiler
>>720235670Cat gods abducted us and then made our brains huge for better harvesting.
>>720235670Kinda? They don't really say if the cat people came and fucked up modern man or they arrived before civilization started. The ending hints that the ice age caused by New Kunlun blotting the sun was THEE ice age of our world.
>>720235515>"pyramids were created by aliens">Kuafu's Radiant Pagoda is a literal pyramidI really like this headcanon, it makes a lot of sense
>>720235810>>720235892>>720236157Jeeze how deep does this Lore hole go.
>>720236270Deeper than hollow knight
>>720236157I get major Daru vibes from Kaufu If you played SteinsGate you'd get it
