Size doesn't always matter mech fags.
>240mNow what, ace combatant?
>>720135847How come no mecha has ever used a jet a surfboard? No, eureka seven doesn't count.
>>720136135For some reason AC fans (expect for me) can't stand that ACs are smaller than Gundams.
>>720136335Dunno what you're talking about, I've never had this issue with AC.
>>720136307I though mobile suits in Gundam used something similar that they can ride on.
>>720136379I should have clarified and said extremely autistic fans have this issue. Personally I think it's the perfect size.
why can't we use our megazoids hands to pick up and use enemy weapons?
>>720136535You made this thread just to complain about a small subset of autists?
>>720135847>mechlet cope
>turns into a jetwitness my superiority
>>720136603>ComplainNo>Shitpostyes
>>720137019Ah, carry on then.
>>720136960Like I said size doesn't matter.
Why have arms and legs when I can have wheels and tracks
>>720137093but can it transform?
>>720136535Funny, I wish mechs were smaller.
>>720136307>>720136459Yes, most mobile suits are not designed for extended air combat, so they ride sleds or base jabbers. Some mobile suits, usually transformable ones, have enough thrust to fly on their own.
>>720137138Why have wheels and tracks when you can have wings and propellers?
>>720137262I wish mechs were power armor.
>>720137342why not have all of the above
>>720137385Bro, your Daemon x Machina Titanic Scorn?
>>720136797
>>720136307
Giant woman in power armor>mech
>>720137808Giant woman mech > Woman in giant mech > Mech > Giant women in power armor
>>720137602>mfw member IDOLM@STER collab with AC7
>>720137893I don't think they did with 7. I know they did with Assault Horizon.
>>720137893that was literally just Macross Delta, man
>>720137893
>>720137887Incorrect but still an excellent choice
>>720135847do you guys think it would be cool to be a fighter pilot? or would it be so burdened down with bureaucratic nonsense that you would beg for death?
>>720138446Are we talking about in our reality or Armored Core?
>>720137602>girls suddenly turn cgi
>>720138446depends on how well your taken care of after missions but yeah sure
>>720138305>Each idolmaster skin in AC6 directly impacts aircraft performance in ways inspired by the personalities and stats of their characters>The Chihaya F-15 has mediocre stats and nosedives if it gets a single scratch because she's prone to depression spirals
>>720135847should be renamed to ACvsAC
>>720136307mecha break's shitty tarkov gamemode does that
>>720136135If you've played an Ace Combat game, then you'd know the planes are wildly out of scale. They have wing spans of football fields.
>>720137548It's pretty good, but not $70 good.>>720137385Power armor is nice, but in the context of mechs, I think the big robots lose appeal the bigger they get. Mechs in the 4-8m meter height range are big enough to be cool and imposing without becoming so big that they start to become unviable for anything than big empty space or gigantic facilities made just for them. Stuff like Patlabor and Front Mission is ideal.The smallest Armored Cores are the point where their size starts to make them "too big" for most urban areas, and their practical uses become limited.
>>720137893>AC7It had entire idolmaster skin packs in 6
>>720140089Are you sure?
>>720135847Yes it does, giant mechs are awesome. If it's not the size of a skyscraper atleast don't bother waking me up.
>>720140179https://acecombat.fandom.com/wiki/THE_iDOLM@STER
>>720138794>>720139158reality
>>720136307>How come no mecha has ever used a jet a surfboard?Do hover canoes count?
>>720140273In US, I think it would be fine. I don't know about other countries.
>>720140236It doesn't say anything about 7
>>720140607see>>720140089>skin packs in 6
>>720140543I always wish that I had enlisted to the air force academy but I'm too tall and I was a horrible student back then... It just seems like a kino lifestyle, always being so fit and active while having the mental stimulation of needing to be on the top of your game for dog fighting etc. I'm envious of them, but I know that there must be downsides too
>>720137417This is what peak performance looks like. Imagine the beam spam.
NEXTs are actually pretty bigits the gen3 shits they are smol
>>720139979>It's pretty good, but not $70 good.I bought my copy from cdkeys for $52.
>>720141165I played 4 after 4 answer and it made me appreciate both more. Downscaling to the knee high jobber ACs I'd been punting all game and still tearing ass really showcased how crazy the powerscaling was.
>>720136307Macross Frontier has a whole surfing scene
>>720141165How tall are NEXTs and Gen3's?
>>720136335Honestly ACs, Gundams and even mech warrior stuff should be generally like 2x-3x larger. They are all just way too small, there is no way to cram all that tech and armor into those tiny machines and still be effective in combat.
>>720142248ACs are the perfect size. Anything bigger than a Gundam is too big.
>>720142348ACs are so small it's also hard to imagine that they manage to fit in a cockpit, board computer, nuclear reactor and jet engines into that tiny torso. I mean just look at OPs pic, the cockpit of the F-22 is as big as the whole torso of the AC. Also at that size armor becomes an issue, due to its shape and size certain areas are going to be so weakly armored you could probably take down an AC with machine guns
>>720142009got this from ledditso I guess almost twice taller?
>>720142907Anon ACs are 30 feet tall. The cores are bigger than a car.
>>720142248what do you mean? both mobile suits and mech warrior mechs are huge. What more are you trying to cram into the chasis?
>>720142959Damn, I don't know old gen ACs where than small. NEXTs are what I expected.
>>720137716This is so fucking hard
>>720142959Aren’t the ones from 1 taller than the ones from 5?I was super sure the ones from 5 were tiny as shit
>>720142248A gundam is ~20m big. 3x larger is starting to approaching Pacific Rim size (~75+m), that's way too big for their use.
it makes sense that gundams are big and blocky because there's no long distance tracking/targeting for snipers and missiles. AC mechs need to be more nimble
>>720142959It's a shame there aren't human sized fodder enemies in AC6. From somehow managed to do it in Metal Wolf Chaos XD more than a decade ago.
>>720143625>because there's no long distance tracking/targeting for snipers and missilesThere are multiple sniper and missle based mobile suits in gundam and in the majority of cases, all it takes is one good beam shot to kill you.
>>720135847inb4 someone posts the trash can
>>720143840minovsky particles anon
>>720143916>"b-but the minovsky particles" you exclaim as your cockpit explodes from getting whacked by a GM SniperMinovsky particles basically stopped mattering extremely early on and don't matter in AU settings at all.
>>720143876What's the "trash can"
>>720144238idk anon I have only watched mobile suit gundam
>>720143876
>>720144238Minovsky particles dont exist in AUs but they still matter in UC. The GM Sniper is going to be at a closer range than comparable AU sniper units that don't have to contend with minovsky particles. If the particles are dense enough, that GM sniper isn't going to be able to get a positive target acquisition at long range. If anti beam gas has been spread, he can't fire at all. His advantage is when particles haven't been spread in large amounts and the enemy is unaware of his presence. It's very situational. In most common battlefield conditions the GM Sniper doesn't have advantage.
mecha are retarded
>>720137341penelope and xi don't fly because of thrust, they fly because of minovsky flight systemsI know you're talking about waveriders and gaplants and asshimars and whatever though
>>720142248nigga it's science fiction you don't know shit fuck you mean "cram all that tech"???>>720136335I think ~8-10m is the perfect size for the mech to feel like a vehicle while having the terrain in their fights actually matter
>>720137548>Daemon x Machina Titanic Scornlooks lame as fuck, also has bodytype faggotry
>>720144769what is AU vs UC
>>720146452UC is the original gundam timeline called Universal Century. This is what the original series and its sequels and spinoffs are set in. AU just means "Alternate Universe" and refers to other Gundam series set in their own, separate universe unrelated to the originals, like G Gundam, Seed, Wing, etc.
>>720143121Which is really not a lot.>>720143145Their total dimensions are huge but due to their humanoid shape the actual space you can put stuff in isn't that big. Pic related, despite their huge size the chest area, where all the important stuff is, isn't really that much bigger than a modern tank. >>720143462I'd say Gundams should be 2x larger, that would still make them smaller than a B2 bomber (wingspan of like 50m). They are essentially bomber-fighter space jets so that size would be perfect.>>720145512Stop being boring
>>720142959Looking a bit deeper into that the AC1 might be a bit misleading, The scale they used for that was using an in-game car while a cutscene human was much smaller. Granted at least by the time of ac 3-era it's clear they're much bigger with the model kits translating back to about 11M
>>720147110Anon your realize that the cockpit in the core/chest and not the head right?
>assault target has unknown amount of cannon emplacements>cannons are backed by fast moving small mechs>at least 1 heavy mech spottedwhat do?
You know what I kinda liked the ACV/VD size. Feels like at that size there's better room for a more combined arms approach to combat rather than the others where mechs dominate the field. Granted I think thats for a different game series(probably a strategy type game) to explore, AC should stick to its current scale and scope
>>720147681Yes that's part of my point. Mechs are too small, they need to be way bigger.
>>720148110Anon cockpits are in the Chest not the head. The has more than enough room for a cockpit.
>>720138387Btw, does Macross have helicopter mecha or its all airplanes?
>>720148234There are some other mech styles (not the focus), but no helicopters
>>720148449Shame. Blackout in the Bayformers was kino and made me wish for more helicopter mechas.I really like the Gen 4 Sentinel in 13 sentinel.
now what
>>720148205>has more than enough room for a cockpit.But then it doesn't have room for anything else. Think about it. The chest has to have a cockpit + life support system, a massive fuck strong chassis so the entire thing doesn't break apart, a generator/reactor big enough to power the giant war machine, all kind of electronics, jet engines for the boosters, fuel/energy pumps for the arms and legs and also enough armor to take a massive pounding. The dimensions of these machines make no sense.
Technivally, cockpits should be on the waist from a mechanical POV.
>>720149090>no dual zimmermans and double needlesngmi
>>720149495my builds dunks on pve and pvp
>>720149090Anon you should change that generator overall not bad.>>720149495Anon you didn't beat the game
>>720135847But it does.
>>720136335I still think 4 meters should be the absolute maximum, and that's for the slow ACs, considering g-forces on pilots from boosting around.
>>7201508524 meters should the minimum, and smaller it and might as well be power armor.
>>720148643>>720148718>>720148802I adore Macross Plus.
>>720149090
>>720144695WHYWHY DID YOU DO ITyou absolute madman
>>720151315found the Gundam fag
>>720152724Nope, I'm OP, I thank ACs should be between 5 and 10 meters tall.
Remember that AC2 has transformable mechas in the concept stage...
>>720137602Shame it failed to become a big franchise.
>>720136960I find it funny how starscream would probably tower over most Transformers yet he's about as tall as Optimus
>>720157971That's why in the live action movies at least, he was turned into a dorito to keep him smaller then megs
>>720136135I love this nigga like you wouldn't believe.
>>720149090>>720149791>>720152654I just want more parts aaaaAAAAAAAAAAA
>>720140916Imagine encountering one of those in real life.And you can't fuck or kill it either.
>>720157971more like Transforders. what incredible corporate adslop the movies were
>>720157971grinder the helicopter is also ginormous
>>720135847Fighter jets balance the autism of /m/ with the practicality of /k/, what not to like
>>720162893Just to make sure, Grinder was in the 2nd movie, and Blackout was in the first one right?
>>720138024Out of all the games I really question what the fuck were they thinking on adding anime girls on the one game of the series they went full westoid pandering with.
>>720163070yes, they're both variations of the same heli frame
