Vidya characters who died for your sins
>>720142027
>>720142027Did Clover really sacrifice his soul so that Asgore could genoslide all of humanity?
>>720142027Not funny. Christ is King btw.
oof, they weren't kidding when they said mondays were slow
>>720142027This is pretty funny, Jesus was jewish btw
>>720147224Get ye gone, Satan.
>Not funny. Christ is King btw
>Atheist BTFO by the simple truth Many such cases.
>>720147224>>720147523>Being THIS butthurt lol, lmao.
>>720148037this
>>720142027Always Hanna, never Irish, even though I suspect he's not being completely honest about his heritage.
>>720148395>Saving the annoying whiny negroid I don't even CARE about Hanna but FUCK Irish. Motherfucker is insufferable.
>>720148478He's just black tho, I dare anyone to say he's a diversity insert.
>>720149647I don't care. He dies on EVERY playthrough simply by virtue of being an insufferable faggot.Simple as.
>>720142027the whole game was ruined by that dogshit ending
>>720148089>scripted deathFuck CC2
>>720144815truke
>>720142027he deserved better
>>720150258I love how it's supposed to be this heartbreaking moment but the sheer stupidity of it made me chuckle. I guess the story writers just wrote themselves into a corner. At least the flawed pacifist ending is serviceable.
>>720148037Furry JRPGs and making the child protagonists suffer?
>>720148037Who dis?
>>720144815I do wonder how the other prequel fangames will handle their "canon" ending, would they all fuck up as much as yellow did by helping Asgore fulfill his genocide and painting that as a good thing?
>>720144815He sacrificed his soul so the devs could have their canon compliant pacifist true ending.
>>720151679*Whats with furry JRPGsI really need to proof read my posts.
>>720151679Yeah. Melodies of Steel trilogy is nothing but child misery porn
>>720151996I was making a joke about Undertale Yellow doing the same thing to its child MC.
>>720151029>three adults who seemingly don't have brain damage let a child commit suicide>they don't even stay with him>they leave him to die aloneactually insane that a team of people looked at this ending and decided it was good to go
>>720149993>blocks your path
>>720152940Good thing I didn't play that slop and the game flopped hard then.
>>720151757The ending to UTY was a big inspiration for my fangame. Moreso in a meta sense. (you) the player, as Clover, knew you were going to die at the end, because Clover has to die for Undertale to happen, but you desperately held out hope that something would change, that the devs would break canon to give you a good ending if you tried hard enough. Then you die all the same, and for a whole lot of nothing.I wanted to try and make that sense of dread over the plot and characters. Making it sort of a commentary of prequels in general. You know that you CAN'T survive in order for Undertale to happen, and that most of the important characters in the game don't appear in Undertale either, so that leaves little options for why they didn't appear aside from them dying too. I wanted to extend that to the in universe story as well, and give the characters an in universe allegory for that looming dread you feel. Some of them try to fight against it, some try to ignore it, some make peace with it, but they all know its coming, and it eats away them. And you, you have the added weight of knowing that your death could save so many lives, but its so far from now and you'd never see it. So you're left to ask yourself if its worth it. Would you die like a dog so that no people you've never even met can live happily, or would you doom the whole world to buy yourself another day of life?
>>720153076Yeah but he survived canonically. Something something illusion of choice.
>>720151996Thinking about it, there are a lot of similarities between the Undertale and Little Tail series. >Child misery (Asriel, Chara, Kanako, Clover, DR chapter 4, the weird route)>Humans are cast as a largely evil force, which screwed the world over with their selfishness and fear>Technology powered by the souls of children, exists because of human action>Furries forced to live with the consequences of the humans' actions>majority furry cast>JRPGs with unusual takes on game mechanics all the more reason to finish my UT fangame. Then it can have an entire Solatorobo inspired chapter, complete with mechs, sky islands, and French dogs
>>720152342I think what is most insulting about it is how this is the ultimate good ending. Your reward for going out of your way to save and help everyone nets you a PG-13 suicide scene. Worst of all this ending doesn't even fit that well with UT cannon. There could have been a whole spectrum of neutral endings that could do the job better.
ceroba did nothing wrong, clover was going to die of aids anyway (given to him by martlet), this came to me in a dream so it's canon
>>720152228lmaoing
>>720144851+1
>>720156215she didn't do anything right either
>>720153386sounds interesting, but can you write well enough to hold up the story?
>>720156573incorrect, she did everything right, also came to me in a dream therefore it's canon, now bend over
>>720144851
>>720156607I like to think I can, but that remains to be seen. I've been complimented on my writing before, but that was just for short stories and greens, never something this long form.
This thread's missing a certain blue bird. Let's fix that!
>>720153386There are numerous games where you are presented with that kind of choice. Nobody ever takes the option to sacrifice the player character and those adjacent to them for some nameless schmucks in the vague name of the greater good. Making an entire story where you character are forced in to that kind of scenario is just misery porn.
Martlet LOVE
Our lord and savior Chu-Chu died for your sins, that chu who believe in him might be saved through him and know everlasting life.
Someone started posting crucified video game characters around the same time I started posting Martlet lolAnyway it makes the thread look like a mess so here's one more Mart
martlet killed this thread
>>720158956> Nobody ever takes the option to sacrifice the player characterI know, that's the point. UTY has a scene like that, and the only reason it happens is because the game takes away your control and the player character makes the choice for you. And that scene is the biggest point of contention in the whole game. I think that makes it prime for deconstruction. A lot of games do this kind of thing, but UTY is where it really bothered me because it goes against essence of Undertale, which is to be re-examination and deconstruction of RPG tropes, especially their negative aspects. Its supposed to go against these kind of hacky agency depriving contrivancesSo I thought, why not look that trope the way Undertale looked at completionism and meta-gaming>and those adjacent to them for some nameless schmucks in the vague name of the greater goodThe thing is, Undertale is unique and that there are no nameless schmucks. Every individual mook and background NPC is a likable character with personality. And of course this would also be for the sake of all the main characters too. Even the unnamed characters in future who will benefit from it aren't strangers to you. You know them from Undertale. By refusing the sacrifice here, you deny that happy ending to all the characters in Undertale, possibly even denying existence to some.>Making an entire story where you character are forced in to that kind of scenario is just misery porn.Its possible to cover grim subjects without it being misery porn. Its all about how you handle it. There's still lots of fun and levity, in fact I'd say most of it would be the usual silly Undertale fare. But beneath all that, there's an undercurrent of dread felt by all the characters and the player, and sometimes it shows through.At the end of the day I just think the themes are really interesting. You're telling me the idea of a prequel which is self aware of the dark fate its bound by its nature as a prequel isn't intriguing?
>>720160863niggerfaggots gonna niggerfag
>>720158956To continue. One of the ideas I had is that there's more of a realistic dialogue between the characters over the subject. The player character echoes what the player is thinking "What? No! Of course I'm not going to kill myself for you." And while the other characters may respond with the classic moralizing arguments you'd get from something like Fallout 3 about "the greater good" and "self sacrifice", its obvious their real motivations are purely selfish. They aren't really doing this for the world, they just don't want to die, same as you, or they have something else they really can't afford to lose, something they will not let go of.The question is, how far will they go for it? How far will you? And will it even matter in the end?
What if Speedwagon interfered on the rooftop in the neutral ending?
Yeah but what if Clover was canonically and officially BETRAYED by his friends and TRAPPED in the HYPERBOLIC SOUL CONTAINER for 1000000000 YEARS?
>>720160863This thread was and is struggling without the birdI was expecting Yellow discussion to bring more activity to this thread but I guess not
>>720163236then the canon beginning of undertale would happen
>>720161064>>720161530The problem with the whole sacrifice bit regarding UTY is that it produces no change whatsoever. Asgore still wants to wage war against humanity, Flowey is still out there, our main cast don't undergo any character development and their story hasn't reach a conclusion. Everything is still left up to the next human. Also sacrificing a beloved character just so someone can live on the surface isn't that good of a payoff. All of these issue plague any story involving the previous souls. And yes grim subject can be written without it spiraling into misery porn, but the premise of your story would fundamentally break any character.
>>720161763undertale but jojo when
>>720164407>The problem with the whole sacrifice bit regarding UTY is that it produces no change whatsoever.From a meta perspective, no prequel fangame can produce change if it tries to comply with canon, since all the results have already happened in Undertale.>but the premise of your story would fundamentally break any character.Do you mean from a literary perspective (as in it makes them not work as characters) or from a psychological perspective (as in it causes them to have a mental breakdown)?
>>720164684A side project of mine is like that.Its a UT Purple take where the perseverance soul, Claude, does that Joseph Joestar kind of strategic fighting. He's accompanies by a boss monster named Seele, who's like a flanderized version of Caesar, and the party healer is monster kid's grandfather, who's literally monster Speedwagon.
>>720164684Here's my shitty mockup of what Monster Speedwagon would look like. The entire idea for this character comes from me thinking Monster Kid in Deltarune has a similar face to Speedwagon. And the healer idea comes from him being a support only party member in 7th Stand User, which I thought was neat.
>>720165601>>720165431this has potential if it ever leaves conceptual stage
>>720142027How did God know I was going to sin?
>>720166004This would either be a fic or sprite comic, since I already have my hands full with a full length fangame and I think it would work better as one. Maybe I could make a single fight fangame out of it, but that's the upper limit.
i did not care for clover or his death
>>720164932>Comply with canonYou can have multiple endings in a fangame that all have varying levels of canonicity. >Literary perspective or from a psychological perspectiveBoth. From a psychological perspective the knowledge that the best result you can hope for is serving as a footnote in someone else's story is incomprehensible. This results in a character that has no desire to interact with the plot. As what difference does it make if he dies to the first Froggit he encounters or a couple of hours later by Asgore.
>>720167105>You can have multiple endings in a fangame that all have varying levels of canonicity.I know. That's why the player has any hope for a good ending at all and tries to get one. I have taken both of these facts into account in my writing.>From a psychological perspective the knowledge that the best result you can hope for is serving as a footnote in someone else's story is incomprehensibleI don't think its incomprehensible, but I agree it would really mess with someone. That's exactly why I want to do this. It would make for excellent drama and a great character motivation. I have multiple characters written around the different ways this could be taken.As an example, I have a character who by all rights should be dead, and his story ended. But he's clung on to life long after that point because he just refuses to pass into history and become a foot note. Practically every part of him, both spiritually and physically, has withered away, yet he still refuses to let himself die and let his part in the story end. His empathy, his joy, his ability to just so much as feel the touch of the world around him is gone, all that remains is that flickering ember of determination, the will to live that refuses to be extinguished, and the dark cynicism borne of exposure to death (both others' and his own) which has filled the void left by everything else.Another character purposely remains ignorant. Refusing to so much as think about anything beyond the current moment because he finds it too unsettling. He revels in the simple joys of life, even if its plainly apparent that this can't last.
>>720167105>This results in a character that has no desire to interact with the plotI think that's a really interesting character. It turns the plot itself into the villain, with the character desperately battling against it.I know I've felt that way while playing games and watching movies. Dreading the progression of the plot, wishing the side quests and filler could last just a bit longer, because I know at some point the characters I like will die, and the good times they're living will end. This happens especially to stories I already know the end to.I want to cement these feelings into an actual character and arc.>As what difference does it make if he dies to the first Froggit he encounters or a couple of hours later by Asgore.Even if he doesn't want to interact with it. He still lives in it, and still very much doesn't want to die. Even if he's only bought himself a few hours, that's still a few extra hours he gets to live. And that big bad threat at the end of the journey is a bridge he'll have to cross when he gets to it. That results in a character who spends his whole journey desperately trying not to get to that bridge, doing whatever he can to get off the beaten path, to stay where he's at, to get just a bit more time before he's pushed forward again. But eventually, the plot comes knocking, and he's forced to progress again if he doesn't want to die.And you can't forget (you)r role in all this. As the player, you have the unique power to drive your character forward, no matter what, until he reaches the end. Not even death can stop you.
>>720144851King of the Jews
>>720144851>kike
>>720151686Hanna Fondant https://youtu.be/h7rffeZQZ5s?si=U2XNWVbOjhZjARah
>>720169354King of the Yah's which means all people who follow Yah as God. From the Jewish Almanac, the people who changed "Yah's" to "jews" have to relation to the people in the Bible genetically or socially or in any way. Thanks.
>>720160009FORGIVE THEM WAVE EXISTENCE FOR THEY DO NOT WHAT THEY DO
Atheism is strange because to my eyes, atheists have faithHow many atheists can actually claim to be scientists on the cutting edge of scientific theory, who genuinely understand all the science that atheists believe invalidates God? Most can't, but they still have *faith* that the scientists are correctAtheists will constantly proselytize for atheism then act like they're somehow above religion
>>720142027i fucking despised her and could not wait to leave her shithole country until the big reveal. i was unironically genuinely ashamed of my words and deeds.
...Where are all the UTY fans?
>>720174708I only slept for 2 hours last night and have just been watching this "raid" like its someone raiding /po/. I drew a shitty martlet for the first time, should I give shades of justice a shot? I hear it extends the dialogue a lot
rip thread
>>720177487so it goes, a weekend broken by autism.
>>720175174>should I give shades of justice a shot? I hear it extends the dialogue a lotSure, if you want to replay yellow
i love roba
>>720174708Sleeping
>>720156814Marauder Shields... I haven't heard that name in years.
>>720179219definitely best girl
>>720181668I can not agree, and yet I can not deny your taste is still excellent
>>720171267Did they think this will sell the game?
>>720182269There is only two girls in the game anyways
>>720183039They don't care about selling, they make these games at a loss because they enjoy making them. So that means if they want to put piss scenes and child disintegration scenes in their games, they will.
>>720183085and both of them are top shelf
>>720183085>>720183249UTY has a really small cast when you think about it, most people even forget about Dalv and Axis which doesn't help
>>720183213>piss
>>720183935Dalv got done dirty by the writing so theres not much for it. I dont know what to say about axis, he comes to mind in discussion far more than dalv, he is the heart of the steamworks encounters but I dont know what to actually say about him other than "was neat, liked that part"
i married the whole fox family
>>720184107still its weird how Yellow pretty much only has 3 characters in the main cast (not counting Clover)
>>720144851This.
>>720184950for the most part it does "work" but theres a lot of holes in it like how martlets "talk" options in so many areas doesn't give anything new. if they focused on making the time where martlet travels with you more meaningful it would just be zooming in and making the journey less about a larger cast, but unfortunately the devs over those years were all over the place so you get situations like dalv, or making some of the earlier areas more meaningful besides just showing off fun background characters.
>>720185389Did Martlet use the after image technique?
>>720184950Did the artist forget that the only character in the game taller than Roba is Chujin?
>>720186005that's hard to tell in the game itself, the only reference image we have of chujin near roba is in the art book
>>720184950i married both
>>720175174>/po/ Genuinely forgot this was a board and thought you mistyped /pol/>>720184950It kinda feels like it just has 2. Starlo is barely in the game after the Wild East. Hell even Martlet is really only important in genocide and the very end of pacifist/flawed pacifist.
Goodnight /v/. Watch over this roba while I sleep
>>720189524>Ceroba is the only character in UTY
But who did clover eat?Discuss.
>>720189978die
>>720190162he ate die? what?
>>720189603This is sort of true. She’s the only one who really feels like she gets an appropriate amount of screen time relative to how important she is.
>>720189603this should be completely true, it would make the game better
>>720142027Stobe. The Okranites will never admit that one of the last behemoths to walk the moon gave his life to stop a bomb that would've wiped the slate clean.
robaslop
>>720190559and yet, Ceroba's character is pretty dry
>>720193383>pretty drythat would be martlet though
>>720144851based
>>720193383>>720193446I thought Cole was the one from DRY?
>>720144851uh based?
>>720171927The bible clearly says "King of the Jews". It's actually very Jewish of you to lie to me like this.
>>720193446nah, at least Martlet is dumb and has an interest in puzzles and woodwokingWe don't even know what roba does when she isn't being a housewife, she doesn't have any hobbies
>this thread
>>720194129those are not real character traits
Martlet and Ceroba are both retarded but Martlet is endearingly retarded while Ceroba is “holy shot you need to be kept out of society” retarded.
>>720194363I never said that Martlet wasn't a bland character, Axis and Starlo are the only UTY characters with a personality close to those from UT
>>720144851ONLY based person on /v/ at this hour
>>720193978Martlet appears in dry too
>>720164684petition to make Clover Hol Horse
>>720160009Thank you.
>>720144851Christ is Brown
>>720194821Eh Ceroba isn't that bad. She just suffers from the same pitfall as Chujin. Being ambitious but utterly lacking the competence to achieve anything.
Clover lives
this retard
>>720142027If this thread keeps dying like this... We'll have to summon HIM, this is my first warning
>>720206945upboated + leddit gold
opened a popeyes in snowdin
Reminder that Roba would've been a better wife for Asgore and better mother for Kris.
>>720200413Is Flowey his J. Guile?
>>720142027Was that Undertale Blue fangame that came out not too long ago that forgettable? I haven't seen anyone talking about it
>>720201981Chujin is by no means incompetent. He's very competent, his problem is his obsession. He just isn't willing to slow down, reconsider his own ideas, or take any moment to re-evaluate the safety of what he's doing because of his obsession with humans and his Axis project.
>>720209819>Better wife for AsgoreYeah, probably>better mother to KrisWould she really? The only improvements I see are her not divorcing Asgore and not fucking the ugly bastard janitor.
>>720211101I think no one here was really interested in it to begin with?
>>720211372>Would she really?I feel like they would share the same braincell with each other. She is a bit of a trickster, so she would share that trait with Kris.
>>720211461I mean, even on other UT communities I've barely seen people discuss it
>>720211676Would that make her a better or worse mother though? We know Ceroba is a horrible enabler, so she would encourage Kris on things she really shouldn't.Say Doelester was real, and Roba found out Dess was molesting Kris. Her response would probably be something like "Good for you, sweetie. Young love is such a beautiful thing. I remember when I was young and in love." or if she found out about the knight plot, "What, you're created dangerous dark fountains all over town at the best of some shadowy voice on the phone? Let me help."
>>720211372roba's failures as a mother only happened due to chujin dying of blue aids and passing the research of blue aids along to hertoriel's failures as a mother are due to her being a neglectful, spiteful cunt
>>720211168He fumbles his presentation so many times that even Asgore loses patience. Undeterred he still tries to use his failed project and it malfunctions killing a human. Then he kills himself while playing doctor. He may have been dedicated to his work but his criminal incompetence resulting in needless harm. That's why he gets the "You Tried" award.
>>720212234I think its premise wasn't that interesting, and corn rows good girl integrity probably turned off a lot of people. Plus the whole thing just seems to be a retread of stuff we already know from UTY.
>>720212460Roba's failures are due to her being a retarded enabler. She let her husband work himself to death over a trauma fueled obsession, instead of recognizing that he had a problem and trying to get him help, and helped her daughter kill herself with the same vax that killed her husband.
>>720212721you sound like you've been recently worked by pacifist ending so i shan't be reading your posts
Ceroba glazing needs to stop
ceroba seething needs to stop
>>720212503He was able to do those things because he was very competent. He went from a lifelong carpenter with no technical experience to a skilled roboticist in a matter of months. His human extermination robot is one of the few monster weapons to ever successfully kill a human, it did its job, even if it did so in a sloppy way. He went from a robtocist to a soul alchemist in a matter of days, and was halfway there to recreating Gaster's soul research when he died, despite being flat broke and working out of his basement. An incompetent doesn't do those sorts of things. Chujin was dangerously competent. Chujin's problem is that he refused to even consider the possibility of failure in all of his works. He just pushed ahead, consequence be damned, because he was out of his right mind. He's like Terry Davis. Very competent, but hamstrung by being crazy.
>>720212791Really though, Kris's problems stem from neglect. I don't Ceroba would be any better in the ways that matter for Kris. He needs someone to examine his actions, find out why he's doing them, and tell him no, even if that's going to hurt him, because its what's best for him. Ceroba has a very hard time telling her family no.
