>/v/ will defend thishttps://insider-gaming.com/exclusive-playstation-6-is-planned-to-have-a-detachable-disc-drive-on-launch/
Just make the whole thing module and sell upgrades from then on.
>>720142430I would be surprised if this is actually true, rather than Sony and Microsoft just telling everyone to go fuck themselves with the next consoles being all-digital, no attachment options.
Sony and M$ need to stop this charade and just come out and say they're sick of supporting physical games
>>720142430>>720142612>>720142904>>720143458Kutaragi wanted the PS3 to ship with 1 cell as a cpu and 1 cell as a gpu. Mark Cerny is fucking insane for STILL having only himself know exactly how the PS3 worked and never sharing it with anyone aside from those secret CELL developers at Sony.They were either falling behind in development, or realized that this was utter fucking stupidity, so they went plan B and asked Nvidia to give PS3's GeForce 7800 was also kind of old, being a pre-unified shaders design that was absolutely obsoleted within a year of the console's release by the 8800, bolted it on, and shipped it. PS3- 1 Core Cell PPC / 6SPE with 7800GT graphicsMark Cerny wanted PS4, PS5, PS6 and PS7 to be AMD APUs because it was cheapest and easiest for programmers. any optimizations done for PS4 will just help PC get further ahead. ps4 and ps5 are both x86-64>He points to an amusing video by Linus Tech Tips, which attempted to 'kill' the PlayStation 5 by building a $500 gaming PC that outperformed the console.>"They had to get a used motherboard," he says. "That was the only way that they could build a PlayStation 5 equivalent for a PlayStation 5 price. And if you're using used parts… well you can get a used PlayStation 5 for eBay for $300-something.FX-8350 @2GHz, a HD 7850 and a 5000 RPM hard drive are roughly equivalent to a PS4.Ryzen 7 3700X and an RX5700 which are roughly equivalent to a PS5. Sony has the Tempest audio engine and the Kraken compression blocks. PS5 SSD read speed 5,558MB.>TLDRps2 emotion engine and ps3 cell are japanese soulps4 and ps5 are basically budget AMD PCs
>>720142430Don't forget to thank PC gaymers
That would be my cue to go PC only.
>xbox pretty much ruined itself forver because it wanted to kill used games and requiring internet to use the console>12 years later sony plans to do the exact same thing by going digital only and no one cares anymoreso we killed xbox for nothing
Wasn't it leaked that PS6 will be a handheld?
>>720143594how is it possibly their fault?
>>720143616The erosion of physical media. Valve and steams end game.
No one cares about physical media anymore.
>>720143660>>720143775
>>720142612Just buy a PC nigga.
>>720143836But I thought PC was an irrelevant platform that had no games and no one cares about it?How do they affect the great consoles that have all the games everyone want to buy and play and collect?
>>720143882This but install GOG and EGS. never touch Steam
Digital won
>>720143639Sony was always going to go this route. They wanted to have more restrictive drm in ps4 but did a 180 after the microsoft blunder. They then started making money from digital content and thus war on used games died. But at this point, they realized they have better profit margin on digital vs physical. So physical will slowly die.
>>720143660It is the platform everyone has been slowly embracing since 2012. PC was the first and mainstream platform to push no physical media. We've achieved a much, much higher average of piss poor unoptimized games and unfinished games since the embracement of PC and the mentality that the platform can do no wrong too. It is truly cancerous.
>>72014391399.9% of PC games are shovelware and the remaining are consoleslop ports designed with a controller in mind.The only worthwhile PC games are 4X/Simulators/Strategy and SOME indie games>How do they affect the great consoles that have all the games everyone want to buy and play and collect?The narrative in this brainrotted board is that the PS5 has no games, update your firmware or stop larping
steamsisters we fucking won. we killed physical games and bug free day 1 releases
>>720142430I pay $29.99 a month for the PlayStation Premium Deluxe Complete 70th Year Anniversary Pro Max Ultra Company-Of-The-Year Gold Ultimate Special Limited Edition subscription that will grant me access to digital games that they own. I think I'm good, bro.
>>720142430>the PS6 will have a detachable disc drive like the PS5Oh wow....shocking>>720143458Microsoft already did, I doubt the next Xbox will have a disc drive at all.
>>720142430I don't give a shit about the PS6. Consoles are for retards. They get what they deserve.
>>720142612That's too sensible and not an easy way to force consumers to buy an entire new product
why is there even a playstation 6 to begin with? 5 is not even on the mid of it's life
>>720143937>egsNice try, Tim.
>>720142430I dont care anymore now that exlusives games are dead from MS and Snoy. Im staying with PC and Nintendo.
>>720145256you must consoom
>>720145256To get ue5 games to run at 1080p and 30 fps with an extra 30fps in frame gen.
>>720145256consoles are becoming GPUs
>>720142430That'll be $1,099 plus tip
>>720142430Why does it matter if the disc drive is detachable? It's obviously being done as a cost cutting measure since they don't need to produce 2 different bodies for the digital and physical edition of the console.
>>720145256>5 is not even on the mid of it's lifeA quick search reveals that:>The PS5 officially launched on November 12, 2020The console is almost 5 years old. Sony would be releasing the next generation of consoles by the sixth year of a console's life. The only reason why this Playstation generation has felt so short is because the PS5 has had nothing of worth to justify buying the console, with almost all of its exclusives eventually getting ported to PC, while PC gaming obtained a lot of popularity because it became very affordable and a great long term inversion for the price, at least before cryptomining and AI ruined the GPU market. Even now with the overinflated GPU prices, it is still better to invest on a PC that will last you at least 5 years before needing to upgrade one single component.And remember that most companies are still releasing games for the PS4, an almost 12 year old console. The PS6 right now would be the most unnecessary console you could purchase.
there wont be a ps6
>>720146663>The console is almost 5 years old.This doesn't matter because Covid happened and it's insane every single person including the companies seem to ignore this happened. Normal people could not obtain Series X or PS5s during Covid. They were instantly sold out, botted, every website had queues to get in to buy the things, physical stores didn't even have them on shelves since scalpers sat at stores and bought the entire stock when the trucks came in, and even Playstation's own Direct site had queues that mandated you have a multiple year PSN account that played games within that year just to buy a PS5. The only system you could buy reliably was a Series S and Switch 1.If companies and people like you were honest and took reality into account we are two and a half years into gen 9, not 5.
>>720142430>WAAAAAAAAHH!!!>WAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!You're still gonna buy it
>>720145342>Nice try, Tim.fat ogre seattlean hands typed this
>>720147448a man with a one sided opinion always has something to sell you
>>720147448Covid at its worst lasted from a year to a year and a half at most in countries too stupid enough to not apply proper contingency measures, and scalping is its own problem that shouldn't be accounted into the length of a console generation, that's an issue that the company should be tackling if they really cared about long term profits, which we all know Playstation is allergic to.What I do agree is that generations shouldn't be tied to a certain amount of years anymore. Switch 1 lasted 8 years until it was finally replaced for a stronger model, and Playstation doesn't need a PS6 when not only the graphical and performance increments would be minimal, but, again, the PS4 is still getting new games. And considering the current track record on price increasing (and how the Xbox ROG Ally is being priced for $900 for the "advanced version"), the last thing we need is a new console that will most likely cost a grand minimum.
>Xbox ROG Ally is being priced for $900 for the "advanced version"), the last thing we need is a new console that will most likely cost a grand minimum.The ROG Ally is a low volume product that's being sold at a loss, the PS6 will be sold at a loss atleast for the first 2 years.You are delusional if you think next gen consoles will cost a grand because you paid 3000 dollars for an overpriced rtx 5090 and a ROG windows tablet
>>720148808>Xbox ROG Ally is being priced for $900Some Best Buy manager leaked the real price, it's going to actually be $1099, lol. The next gen Xbox is being rumored to cost around $1200+. It's over.
>>720142430that would be extra gay
>>720143594and then you're the one enabling this crap, faggot
>>720142430>GET THE PS6!>I just got a PS5 Pro cause my old machine broke.>NAH BRO GET THE PS6!>NO GAMES FOR ITS ENTIRE LIFE CYCLE!No thanks. I just spent over $500 on retro consoles to get what I didn't have growing up and I have infinite games now.
>>720148517>Xbox ROG Ally is being priced for $900 for the "advanced version"), the last thing we need is a new console that will most likely cost a grand minimum.The ROG Ally is a low volume product that's being sold at a loss, the PS6 will be sold at a loss atleast for the first 2 years.You are delusional if you think next gen consoles will cost a grand because you paid 3000 dollars for an overpriced rtx 5090 and a ROG windows tablet
>The most popular console games are ancient GAASlop that can run on a PS4 and Xbox One.Why do we need a PS6 again?
>>720149168sony needs you to buy one because line must go upas for what it offers? weeeeeell
I haven't even bought a PS5, why would I want a PS6 for even less games?
>>720142430detachable means it will require an internet connection to enable and there lies the problem. Those servers won't be up forever. Even a PSN outage blocks you from activating it.Sony are scumbags and the digital only imbeciles deserved to be roped too. How much of a low IQ subhuman must you be to go digital only on consoles knowing how they change so much each generation instead of opting for going all in on PC and Steam? Eventually you will lose all of your library and old consoles won't last forever either you retarded fuck.
>>720149148The PS5 Pro was released at $699 - $749 USD WITHOUT A DISC TRAY, meanwhile the other versions are getting price increases around the globe. It is not unreal to believe that with their current track record, we could see a PS6 "Complete Version" costing $1k. We do NOT need a Playstation 6 right now.
i hope they go digital onlythat means they can get fucked by monopoly laws due to only offering games in their own storethere was a case earlier that they won only because competitors could sell physical games
>>720149614>PC and Steam?You don't own your Steam games either, Valve is much more likely to shut down than Sony once that fat fuck kicks the bucket and if i was a PC gamer i'd much rather stick to GoG
>>720148808>rog will sell the ally at a lostAnd make money how?
>>720149168to make the ps4 games run at 60 fp-ACK
>>720149813If console prices increase drastically don't expect PC gaming to stay cheap. You are naive and borderline retarded if you think an RTX 6060 is not going to cost 600 dollars when consoles will be costing 1000
>>720149854i meant NOT BEING SOLD AT A LOSS
>>720142430i thought sony didn't want to make consoles anymore.why else would they start going multi plattform
>>720149828If they go digital only they will introduce 100$ SD keycard games like nintendo and make you download the entire game after you put it in, no lawsuit in sight.
>>720148517Don't look at the lenovo go 2 price or bother with ayaneo and gpd prices...
>>720150252do they still get the 30% cut from a keycard sale tho?
>>720150165im a low IQ retard and i also thought Sony is giving up on 30 billion of passive income, why aren't they just relying solely on 750 million dollars annually of game releases?
>>720147448>>720148517Whatever the reason and how/why it happened, I'm sure the fact that they're still hanging on to the PS4 is a major reason why the PS5 is in its current state. Needing to have PS4 ports of a game must've held back devs, not allowing them to fully utilize and experiment with the PS5 hardware.
>>720148517>Xbox ROG Ally is being priced for $900It's actually $1099, going by leaks from Best Buy managers.
>>720147448So, let's just ignore advances in technology and postpone the PS6 until 2030? A PS6 released in 2027 is going to have a better CPU/GPU, more RAM, etc. Why would we want the continue the era of the PS5 when Playstation can produce a new PS6 with better specs at a similar price point?
>>720142430>digital consolegreat, so i can just download one?
>>720150941In reddit we trust
You would think they would try and actually release some stuff for ps5 before even thinking about a 6th. Somehow it's library is even more dire than the Wii u.
>>720148517>the last thing we need is a new console that will most likely cost a grand minimum.Let's assume that Playstation is dumb enough to release a PS6 with a $1000 price tag. How would that hurt you? Would you want it for the marginal graphical upgrades it would provide? Did you buy the $700 PS5 Pro? Do you spend $1000 more on your PC's GPU for 50 more FPS? Is your phone foldable with the best camera and screen and specs? You're always going to miss out on something.
>>720150029>>720150293But that's not part of the argument at all, we're discussing the fact that we do not need a PS6 right now regardless of how long the PS5 has been on the market, and that the pricing has been so volatile that a next gen console costing almost a grand is a believable possibility. And even if I do agree that I first mentioned PC gaming as affordable, I also made the remark that even with GPUs increasing in price, it's still a better investment than playing whatever catch up game Sony is trying to play because, again, a PS6 right now would be one of the most useless console releases that could happen, regardless if next year the PS5 reaches its sixth year in the market.
>>720148517>Covid at its worst lasted from a year to a year and a half at most in countries too stupid enough to not apply proper contingency measuresThe issue is that it affected people being able to buy consoles until early 2023. It's a major factor in why it took forever for people to adopt both the SeX and PS5, for them to appear in stores in ways that normal people could reasonably obtain, and for it to actually start selling without the need for massively curated order systems. It absolutely factors into why adoption for all the games released for it was so slow, and why so many of their exclusives underperformed.>>720150993>So, let's just ignore advances in technology and postpone the PS6 until 2030?Yes. We are still having games released for the PS4 for crying out loud, devs only started seriously jumping to gen 9 a year or two ago and they're still regularly releasing PS4 games.>at a similar price point?You and I both know it's not going to be at a similar price point unless Sony wants to eat $150+ in costs which the PS5 itself is showing they don't want to as they keep increasing the price for every system. If a PS6 does come out in the next two or so years it's going to be PS3-tier $600 based on how they keep jacking everything up.>>720151372>How would that hurt you?It would hurt the entire industry and effectively kill that generation outright. People are already up in arms about the Switch 2 being $450.
>>720151335still somehow sold 80 million
>>720150993>Why would we want the continue the era of the PS5 whenWe will still be living in the PS5 Era throughout the whole of PS6's lifespan. The arguement for delaying the PS6 until 2030 is that so current gen can be saturated, crossgen doesn't last half a decade and PS6 can actually be a next gen system without being bogged down by last gen hardware adoption.It has nothing to do with being a luddite hating advancements in technology
>>720151372I love how no one ever bitches about the absolutely outrageous prices for these PC parts. But they'll bitch up a storm about a $450 Nintendo console. The double standards PC and PC Cuck consumer's get away with is unreal.
>>720151523PS5 is not designed for the current market landscape and will only go up in price over time. PS6 will be designed for the current environment and will be cheaper in order to keep the sweet spot in price to gain new users over tim.
>>720151684PCs are for airplane travelers who wear expensive belts. Consoles are for peasants. This is according to the US government.
>>720151523Also, dev time is ridiculous currently and next gen adoption takes longer than before so Publishers prioritize last gen hardware, last gen engines and graphics and just make the next gen versions run at higher res/performance.In the PS1/2/3 era games the dev times were quick, consoles were cheap and adoption was lightning fast therefore devs prioritized next gen and whatever last gen port came out was built on different engines.We are currently living in technological stagnation and if this 7 year cycle continues we will be having an iPhone situation with iOS running 8 different models, except that it will be 3 different game versions instead
The other day I saw the PS5 UI and sound effects and kinda wished I was console gaming, why does the UI always have to be so cool? My pc plays the games just as good tho
>>720142904same I figured next gen it was just over
>>720151696>and will be cheaper in order to keep the sweet spot in price to gain new users over tim.Your argument makes zero sense. The PS5 is currently right now trying to get those new users for the next few years. It not only hasn't gotten cheaper even with the original Slim release, but it actually got more expensive and has continued getting more expensive. What in the world makes you think they're going to eat hundreds of dollars of manufacturing costs for the PS6 when they didn't do it for the PS5? Even when it launched it was like $50 net loss per system and they had to cheap out on the heatsink and a couple other things like a year or so after release to recoup just that.
>>720151696Say this again but without mysticism. Saying XYZ happens because market landscape means nothing.
>>720149813Yes we need two one with and one without those drives so you can switch the drive and play gaems or no gaems
Next gen will also be a nothingburger, just like this oneThey'll now promise you good performance on current gen games as a selling point. Witcher 4 and all that shit will run horribly for sure. Also screencap this but it'll be the generation of absolute ghosting with UE5 and DLSS
>>720152110>but it'll be the generation of absolute ghosting with UE5 and DLSSThat's already this gen, have you played Wukong on a PS5? If you haven't, webm related is fairly constant.
>>720144101But it factually has no games.
>>720152110Next gen will be AI shilling to the MAX
>>720142430>another expensive cat warmer with no gamesbet it will break shipment numbers
Nigga who the fuck cares, 99% of games will come to PC. I just want new architecture for their handheld so valve will make gaben machine 2.
>>720142430What's the point of a console with no disc drive? I'll just get a pc.
>>720152110How can you be so dense and stupid are you? You cannot go downwards when the PS5 is the baseline and has 0 specialized hardware for Upscaling
>>720151476>Yes. We are still having games released for the PS4 for crying out loud, devs only started seriously jumping to gen 9 a year or two ago and they're still regularly releasing PS4 games.Just listen to yourself. Do you want to play a 2025 release on the PS4? Or would you rather play the game on a better machine with better specs? >You and I both know it's not going to be at a similar price point unless Sony wants to eat $150+ in costs which the PS5 itself is showing they don't want to as they keep increasing the price for every system. If a PS6 does come out in the next two or so years it's going to be PS3-tier $600 based on how they keep jacking everything up.Yea, a $600 PS6 wouldn't be a surprising announcement. The PS5 was mostly sold at $500 in 2020 ($400 if you could find the Digital Edition, but barely anyone could). The Switch was sold for $300 in 2017. The Switch 2 is sold for $450. Ignoring the inflation we've seen worldwide during Covid, why is $600 such an unreasonable amount for a new console seven years after the last one? Why does it even matter if you think a lot of games will continue to be cross-gen for years? >>720151523Well, I'm about to bust your bubble. If the PS5 isn't holding the PS6 back, it's going to be low-spec PC users, because no one's making exclusives anymore except for Nintendo, and that shit is already low spec. Playstation is putting all its shit on PC. It would love to sell its games to every low-spec Chinese PC owner and PC cafe user. It's not going to make games that take full advantage of next-gen hardware after spending $300 million and a decade making a AAAAAAA video game. You're world of ever advancing technological video game experiences tied to increasingly better hardware is dead, because the business model is dead.
>>720152323PC? ofcourse it doesn't have games when everything is hidden on the bottom of the indie pixelshit shovelware trash
No physical media, no buy.
Wish Microsoft would get their shit together and make turning windows into home theater pc a thing, there's always one extra step you have to do to get this shit working connected to tv, their launcher with multiple platforms support sounds promising.
i don't microsoft to ruin gaming any longer
>>720151945>>720151959Moore's law is dead. PS5 was designed with the idea that international trade would make things cheaper over time and not the current market where production in China is impossible. Sony needs to move factories to america to make things cheaper and use cheaper lower end modern components for the PS6 and cut down costs for the design and everything else about it with the proper logistics in order to ensure the PS6 remains $399 for the foreseable future instead of $599.
>>720151476>It would hurt the entire industry and effectively kill that generation outright. People are already up in arms about the Switch 2 being $450.Then it makes sense that Playstation wouldn't try to kill the industry by pricing a PS6 at $1000. Why would they do that?
>>720153013Because idiots will pay it. There's no one more spineless than the gaming community.
they can make whatever they like, I wont buy it
>>720153013I'm pretty sure there's not a single sane businessman left. They're all unbelievably out of the loop. They look at a line graph and say "see? Number go up. We keep getting more greedy and it keeps working!"
i'm getting xbox anyway. i have a ps5 but without actual exclusives there's little reason to own it because everything is so damn expensive with no cross progression and cross saves with pc.
>>720142430>PlayStation 6 is expected to not have a built-in disc drive and will be a digital consoleThen I am expected to not have a Playstation
>>720152641>Do you want to play a 2025 release on the PS4?Do you realize that most people are still opting for the PS4 versions of games still because they haven't even gone to a PS5 yet simply due to the fact that the PS4 is still getting games? They do not care the PS5 has better specs, most people are only going to be buying a PS5 when GTA6 comes out and are still content playing recent multiplats on their PS4s. Marvel Rivals got backported for crying out loud.>why is $600 such an unreasonable amount for a new console seven years after the last one?Because it's a ridiculous price increase when the systems are ultimately targeted towards families and regular people. It's already a hard sell getting regular people to drop $500 for current gen systems. It was hated back during the PS3 announcement and it would receive just as much hate now, especially when Sony still hasn't justified their PS5 price increases to anyone and the Switch 2 was considered way too pricey at $450. The PS5 Pro in particular was reviled for its price point when without a disc drive it was $700 and would be over $800 if you got a drive and a the horizontal stand.>Why does it even matter if you think a lot of games will continue to be cross-gen for years? Because it means the majority of devs will refuse to actually move onto the new generation and you will be getting ports of previous gen games, not current gen games. Ubisoft of all companies is seemingly the only one to actually hedge their bets on current gen and ignore previous gen outside of first parties. Sure, you might get backport situations, but the overwhelming majority of games will not take advantage of the new hardware because devs do not want to move to it. As it is like 80% of my PS5 library is just PS4 games that look prettier, not games made for current gen itself.
Welp looks like pc wins again. No disc? No reason to own the console. Especially with exclusives going the way of the cunny
>>720151860>In the PS1/2/3 era games the dev times were quick, consoles were cheap and adoption was lightning fast therefore devs prioritized next gen and whatever last gen port came out was built on different engines.Not true. By the PS2 era, game developments were moving past 3 years. By the end of the PS3 era, they were heading past 4 years. And consoles weren't cheap. They were expensive as launch. They got cheaper as time went on, but they started off expensive. And adoption wasn't lightning fast. Especially for the PS3. On the contrary, the Switch 2, PS5 and PS4 all sold very well at launch.
>>720153482If your metric is disc drives then PC lost in 2005 and you've been cuck for the past 2 decades.You will own nothing and be happy
>>720153609PS5 should have surpassed the PS4 considering how gaming is now mainstream and more accessible, but regardless it did indeed sold very well when you consider its drawbacks that ideally would've let it down.I expect the PS6 to sell atleast 10 million units or more in the first 2 months regardless if its 400, 600 or 999$
>>720142430When I said before to someone that PS6 is probably going to do detachable disc drives and the PS5 Pro was the test subject, I was told Sony would never do that and I didn't understand PlayStation. It was very obvious to anyone paying any amount of attention to where the industry is going and where Sony is moving that this was what they were going to do.It's going to reduce cost to make the disc drive optional. It also means you don't need 2 SKUs (physical version and digital only version). Also since they likely have data to support that the majority of people with PlayStations are fine with downloading their games from the PS Store and going from there. The ones who really want physical that bad can just buy the optional optical drive and attach it.
>>720153284>i'm getting xbox anywayJust get a PC or wait until the Steam Deck 2, the Switch 2 is better than what Sony and Microsoft are shitting out.
>>720154841low iq tendie cope
>>720154592>Also since they likely have data to support that the majority of people with PlayStations are fine with downloading their games from the PS Store and going from there.The funny thing is that a huge chunk of people are physical purchasers as shown by not only Covid data, but Insomniac's own leaks placing some first-party games at as high as 70% physical to 30% digital. Physical being tied to an option attachment will also mean it's going to lead to worse sales for developers to make physical copies, cause smaller production runs, and ultimately kill it anyway by doing so. It's why it's pointless to make it an optional drive as we're already having to opt for limited run companies to get huge chunks of games physically now when it's not optional.
>>720142430The moment that happens retailers will stocking PlayStations
>>720153456>Do you realize that most people are still opting for the PS4 versions of games still because they haven't even gone to a PS5 yet simply due to the fact that the PS4 is still getting games? They do not care the PS5 has better specs, most people are only going to be buying a PS5 when GTA6 comes out and are still content playing recent multiplats on their PS4s. Marvel Rivals got backported for crying out loud.Most means at least a majority. A year ago, it was half. This year, the majority is on the PS5. Playstation also earns more money from PS5 users. So, you're whole thing about most people being on the PS4 is incorrect. That the PS4 is still a meaningful playerbase is notable and worth investigation, but that's not what you're saying. >Because it's a ridiculous price increase when the systems are ultimately targeted towards families and regular people. It's already a hard sell getting regular people to drop $500 for current gen systems. The PS5 has sold 80M units. The PS3 only sold 87M. >It was hated back during the PS3 announcement and it would receive just as much hate now, especially when Sony still hasn't justified their PS5 price increases to anyone and the Switch 2 was considered way too pricey at $450. The PS5 Pro in particular was reviled for its price point when without a disc drive it was $700 and would be over $800 if you got a drive and a the horizontal stand.The PS3 announcement was 20 years ago. Two-Zero. Twenty. People your age had a child, who is now and adult, in that time frame. Check what inflation has done to the value of a $ in those 20 years. $600 in 2006, is not $600 today. And the Switch 2 has sold incredible well. Scalpers are selling it for $700 on Ebay. And the PS5 Pro is selling in line with the PS4 Pro, which was 10% (14M) of the PS4's total install base of 117M units. >Because it means the majority of devs will refuse to actually move onto the new generationCause that business model is dead.
>>720153080Then it wouldn't hurt the industry. Idiots are buying the Switch 2. Is that killing consoles? >>720153262It does keep working. Playstation is bigger than ever. It'll stop working one day, but not today.
>>720142430It will also sell like shit and be the last PlayStation console.
>>720154223>considering how gaming is now mainstream and more accessibleNot your gaming.
>>720143574this copypasta is retarded and you should feel bad for constantly posting it
>>720155103>you're whole thing
Just make the PS6 a piecemeal console.
>>720155204>Playstation is bigger than everSure if you consider irrelevance "bigger than ever".
>>720154040You can burn your games to a bluray if you really wanted to. Consoles don't have that kind of freedom, physical games were the one advantage they had but now they have nothing.
>>720155273mobile was a mistake
>>720155323You wanna talk about relevance? Roblox is bigger than Steam/PSN/Nintendo online/Xbox live combined.
>>720155204>Playstation is bigger than everBy what metric? the PS5 is selling below the PS4 which was itself selling well below the PS2, their handhelds are also dead. If by being bigger than ever you mean squeezing the rapidly dying ecosystem harder than ever then sure.
>>720155525Is it really if it's 90% bots?
>>720155525This is like pointing to brain rot toddler videos on YouTube and saying they are bigger than any feature film, nobody cares.
>>720155607Yea, that's what I mean. Their revenue stream is bigger than ever.
Oh look, the macaco is here, thread is over.
>>720155607Don't forget software sales are down as well as sub counts.
>>720155323>>720155607>>720155204seems like it's basically the same
>>720155728The internet is 90% bots, so every number is boosted. >>720155737>feature filmsTiktok is worth more than the entire global film industry.
>>720155769What?
>>720142430You know what the best way to reduce manufacturing and shipping times is? Don't make the consoles at all. Just stream movie games to your smart TV for $89.99.
>>720142430Every day more and more consoles are just becoming downgraded PCs
>>720155913you don't even know what the fuck that means you retard
>>720155103>That the PS4 is still a meaningful playerbase is notable and worth investigation, but that's not what you're saying.The entire point here is that a huge chunk of the playerbase is still sticking with the PS4 despite the PS5 still being available and despite the PS5 versions being better because they see no need to upgrade. PS5 might have finally overtaken it by this point in terms of who is where, but the fact it's so high is still a major part of why no one is stopping production and still having focus on last gen.>The PS5 has sold 80M units. The PS3 only sold 87M.The PS3 spent years without a price drop at $600 and took until the Slim release for it to finally start selling to any degree. The 360 completely slaughtered it due to the price point despite having identical games, and we see this a bit in the SeS too. This isn't remotely a reasonable comparison as PS5 released at $400 and $500 respectively whereas PS3 only hit $300 three years after release.>Check what inflation has done to the value of a $ in those 20 years.Inflation happening doesn't change the fact that people still view $600 as a ridiculous price change>And the Switch 2 has sold incredible well.Sure, there's no denying that. That doesn't change the fact that people are still pissed it's $450 and the accessories are $80-100 and don't like the price increases. It's the number one complaint about the system.>the PS5 Pro is selling in line with the PS4 ProWhich both were enthusiast platforms that are expected to have a high price. This also doesn't change the fact that people heavily rallied against the $700-800 price point it had at launch across the board. Even enthusiasts were saying it was a ridiculous price and the most notable part about it is that the upgrades are barely perceivable or worse>Cause that business model is dead.If that business model is actually dead then new generations serve no purpose outside of enthusiasts as you are just getting the previous gen's games
>>720155828>vgchartz
>>720142430Wasn't there some rumor about the PS6 having FULL backwards compatibility with all previous Playstation consoles through PSN? If that's true, I'd be willing to part with physical games as an exchange.
>>720145256It's literally just how shit is made. You hate forced to buy new things every few years without asking why
>>720142430>PlayStation 6What happened to the PlayStation 5?
>>720156060You fucking moron, backwards compatibility requires physical media or it's just emulation.
>>720142430PS7 will be a virtual machine for windows 15.
>>720156013ok then what source do you use?
>>720156152I would still be willing to make that compromise assuming the emulation was spot-on and the library of games available was large enough.
>>720156005It means one number is bigger than the other and insulting my intelligence isn't a well-structured and evidenced counter argument. It's just calling Orange Man bad by being just like Orange man.
>>720156060>>720156152This. Emulate shit for free or if you want a dedicated device, there's handheld pcs and chink handhelds that'll do it well
>>720156243What fucking number? You just posted some random google AI thing.
Shut the fuck up retard.
>>720155992>Every day more and more consoles are just becoming downgraded PCs>computers are becoming downgraded computersDo you know even know what PC means you dumb nigger
>>720145109Already leaked a year ago or so cause of adobe powerpoint fuckeryHad "adorably all digital" as a 'feature'Fucking sickening
>>720156345You're a fucking moron, you know exactly what he meant by PC, don't play fucking semantics. It makes you look gay as fuck.
>>720151801Source?
Hopefully it can run UE5 games at 1080p 60fps.
>>720143775okay cattle
>>720156448>You're a fucking moron, you know exactly what he meant by PCConsoles are Computers. If he goes by the low IQ definition of X86 architecture then ok sure, then i guess MacBooks and Windows on ARM are smartphones and smart TVs are smartphones as well.
>>720142430It's okay when Sony does it!
>>720156220>assuming the emulation was spot-onHave you seen how Sony does backwards compatibility? The PS2 version of Ape Escape 2 is unplayable on PS5s because the textures are broken and it constantly flickers and crashes. On the PS3 many PS2 games outright crashed randomly or had performance issues. Even random PS4 games have issues that aren't present when a PS4 Pro uses Boost Mode to buff them when you play them on a PS5 and makes stuff like the Senran Kagura games unplayable for example.
Hope all your digital game purchases were worth itIt's over, and you will own nothing...
>>720156605>The N64 is a computerOkay retard.
>>720156646yes, the n64 is indeed a computer.
>>720156605Kill yourself. Bitch.
>>720156684>Hardware that no pc ever used.Yep it's a PC. Dumbass.
>>720156646the N64 was a computer and so was the SNES, the PS1 and Dreamcast
Total. Goy. Control. -station
>>720156220Why would anyone ever do that?
>>720156730See >>720156729
>>720156746pic related
>>720151372>how does that hurt youthat's a logical fallacy my bro, just be better
>>720142430YOU WILL OWN NOTHING
>>720143775Brazilians don't pay for games.
>>720156830Source?
>>720156769So iMac G5s aren't computers because the CPU was PowerPC instead of X86
>>720156729>computer means pcAnon, I can tell that you have no real knowledge of this subject and you're just some dude trying to figure things out based on 4chan posts you've read. Stop embarrassing yourself, it's "cringe" as the kids say nowadays.
>Snoys trying so hard to pivot to WHAT ABOUT PC HUH AND NINTENDO >All this just to avoid the fact the PS6 has no games, and not even a disc driveEmbarrassing
>>720156871
>>720156902Yes.>>720156920You're retarded. >Old consoles>Hardware no pc at the time could ever replicate not even the most expensive ones>New consoles>Literally the same shit as as any pc
>>720143648The leak is that the PS6 would be both a home console and a handheld. Think Xbox Series X/Series S, but if Series S was a handheld.
>>720156959The days of people buying consoles for exclusives is over. The audience for consoles is people who want a box that plays sports games and cod and gta.
>>720156202Any other source that isn't known for fudging the numbers.
>>720156959PS6 will have the same games Steam will have in 2028
>>720157007>Downloads goldbergs>Crack game>Uploads to pirate siteWow so hard, I own my game forever now
pc vegans are the most cucked gamers
>>720157091And yet the only console selling is the one with exclusives.Why do you think sony is counting accessories as PS5 sales?
>>720157129You dont own your Steam games
>>720157052Once again, it is VERY obvious that you don't actually know anything about the subject you're trying to discuss and are attempting to feign expertise by saying random things you've read on 4chan. Please stop trying to look smart, it's just making you look worse.
>>720157186Expect I do.
>>720157101whati'm asking you for the source you used for your claims, why can't you tell me?
>>720157189You're the only person who thinks all consoles are the same as PC when even the actual devs say otherwise, shut the fuck up.
>>720157052the semiconductor architecture does not define what the label of the device is. The usecase defines it.a PS3 with printing capabilities is closer to a PC than a cucked PS5 that can't even use an internet browser.the PS2 with Linux support was also more of a computer than the PS4/5
>>720157338Dumbass. A PS2 is a DVD player, NOT a pc.
>>720157235Its ok anon maybe one day you'll learn to read
>>720157285This is the worst case of dunning-kruger i've ever seen. Why can't you just admit that you're not actually compsci autist? There's nothing wrong with that, nobody knows everything about every subject.
>>720142430The writing was on the wall this entire generation, anyone who's legitimately surprised by this is literally retarded.
>>720156007>The entire point here is that a huge chunk of the playerbase is still sticking with the PS4 despite the PS5 still being available and despite the PS5 versions being better because they see no need to upgrade. PS5 might have finally overtaken it by this point in terms of who is where, but the fact it's so high is still a major part of why no one is stopping production and still having focus on last gen.That's not your point. You specifically said PS4 was the majority. You're better point is that developers aren't taking advantage of better hardware. My response to that is the business model is dead. Developers make more money, making games for more platforms. >The PS3 spent years without a price drop at $600 and took until the Slim release for it to finally start selling to any degree. The 360 completely slaughtered it due to the price point despite having identical games, and we see this a bit in the SeS too. Xbox 360 sold a total of 84M units. The PS3 did better even with the 60GB model selling for $600 at launch. >This isn't remotely a reasonable comparison as PS5 released at $400 and $500 respectively whereas PS3 only hit $300 three years after release.So, what are you saying? Despite the higher prices of the PS5, it STILL is going to sell more units than the cheaper PS3? >Inflation happening doesn't change the fact that people still view $600 as a ridiculous price changeThey're buying up Switch 2s for $50% more than they bought the Switch 1 for. I don't think it's the same as the 2005 announcement of the $599 PS3. >Sure...The disposition of the consumer doesn't seem that important if they're still willingly parting with their income to purchase said product. In fact, it's great targeting by Nintendo. They set the price just high enough that people would still be willing to actually buy it. >Even enthusiasts...THEY STILL BOUGHT IT. >>720156007>If...New iPhones sell really well every fucking year with minimal changes.
Make it seamless streaming and fuck the poors. I don't need a physical library if there are no hiccups while I'm playing. And since we can do away with the physical overhead we will be leaning towards a less expensive industry. And since the LLMs are making programming, coding, and art easier, IPs will be released sooner.
>>720157427
>>720157235>Expect I dolol no you don't esl fag
>>720157427"Computer" does not mean "PC". You have no real knowledge or experience with the subject you're trying to discuss.
>>720157441>BuzzwordConcession accepted, please do go on a retro console board and argue that a nes is actually a PC. I would love to see you get btfo by actual people and devs who fucking made games on it tell you otherwise.
what is all of the roblox spam recently? I'm not playing roblox you dumb nigger indian, fuck off. who are these retards who just post the most popular thing like its an own and everyone should just give up and go play it, is it some sort of demoralization campaign?
>>720156280I'm sorry, I should've posted websites I found using Google's search function instead of the Google AI-generated summary of the websites the Google AI used to compile the summary and compiled the information myself, by hand, for your benefit.
>>720157536>>720157556>UHHH I DIDN'T MEAN PC I SAID COMPUTERS!!!!!!
>>720157561I want you to make a thread on /g/ stating that imacs are not computers because they don't use x86.
>>720156605what a fucking redditor thing to post, my fucking god kys
>>720157640>WhatsboutismGo on. Make the thread telling people a console is a computer.
>>720157610a windows PC and a console are both computers.Saying a console is a type of PC is retarded
>>720157281Anon, literally just pick any other reputable source. It doesn't matter which because all of the data is the same which is why no one uses vgchartz which is always wrong.
>>720157576You're posting on the most popular imageboard on the internet.
>>720157578What do you mean by "worth more than the entire movie industry"? Are you talking about revenue? Because that's not true. Are you talking about market cap? Because that's extremely hard to define.
>>720157690correct. Consoles are indeed computers specialized for gaming
>>720157697Calling all consoles pc is even more retarded so who's the bigger retard. The person who knows that old consoles and old computers are two completely different concepts or the retard who thinks all of them are the same?>>720157776Wrong.
>>720157736I am asking you for a source. Pick one. Why can't you?
>>720142430I like how Playstation doesn't even need to release games for their consoles anymore, now that they know people need one to play FIFA.
>>720157748Well, I was mistaken. You're not an idiot. You're just dumb. You are also lazy since you don't seem to know how to verify someone else's claims independently. Would you like me to tell you how you can crosscheck my statement that Tiktok is bigger than the entire global film industry?
>>720157818What is a computer?
>>720157915What is a console?
>>720157818I didn't call consoles PCs. i called consoles computers because thats what they arePCs are home/mobile computers for general use and consoles are computers for gaminga console using Cell/MIPS is as much as a computer as a PS5 using x86
>>720157892>dont ask me to back up what i'm telling you>just automatically accept everything you read on 4chan as factno
>>720156510Ftc hearing. Ftc referred to console users as bus riders and started talking about shoe and belt luxury pc airplane flyers. The judge was like, but the switch is portable so it sounds like the best.
>>720157742That's fine, I'm still not playing Roblox. "a lot of people play it" isn't an own or compelling reason.
>>720158040Consoles are not computers, they are machines that play games.
>>720157936a type of computera computer can be anything
>>720158147Wrong.
>>720158045You didn't ask me to back up what I'm telling you. You insulted me twice before wondering by what metrics I was using. Now, you're refusing to independently check my assertions, claiming that people shouldn't trust what they read on 4chan as fact, even though if I tried to back up my claims, said claims would be something you read on 4chan, which should automatically be disregarded as fact according to you.
>>720158129Smartphones are mobile computers with touchscreens. They are not magical slabs with internet apps
>>720158232>doesn't post a real source >JUST TRUST ME BROSo you lost the argument
>>720158232I am asking you to explain what the fuck you're trying to say.
>>720158169
>>720158079You're posting on the Roblox of imageboards. You're just as bad as the Robloxfags you hate. Go somewhere actually not poplar, since you hate popularity.
>>720158234Nobody cares about your apple products.
>>720158346>AI You lost. AI makes you retarded.
>>720158356PCs are not the same thing as a computers and your windows PC is not unique nor does x86 make it unique
>>720158353Still not playing roblox and you're clearly assblasted because of it, you will never be the CEO of roblox btw.
>>720158408AI is pulling from wikipedia and factual objective sourcesmeanwhile you are trying to strawman reality with easily defeatable arguements and false semanticsYou are even more stupid than an LLM
>>720158446>as a computers>Person I've been arguing with is a pajeet incapable of nuance I should have fucking know, another fucking indian on 4chan. Go SAAAR elsewhere.
>>720158289You wouldn't trust me if I posted the source cause it would then be something you read on 4chan which is probably going to be false. >>720158340Not nicely and I offered to help you try and figure out what I'm saying on your own, with the implication that you would be able to use that skill in the future to crosscheck any other information you ever see posted on a forum, which seems more valuable to me than what I did or did not mean about Tiktok and the global film industry.
>>720158561Nice try google
>>720158512Fug, I'm assblasted I'm not the CEO of Roblox. But your posting on the Roblox of Imageboards.
Physical vidya is probably going to go the same way that physical movie/television releases have. That means:It exists, but most releases are limited and get farmed out to boutique labels that charge a premium for "deluxe" releases with artbooks, steelcases, developer commentaries, etc. Also instead of a Game Stop in every mall and shopping centre, there might be one or two niche stores in your entire city that specialize on selling vidya.
>>720158598By what metric is tiktok worth more than the film industry?
>>720158574We call PCs colloqually as computers but it doesn't change the fact that Windows PCs, Macs, Consoles and Smartphones are all computers regardless of the chip architectureI hope a computer armed missile hits your house
Not playing your gay pedo sim
>>720158730Whatever sanjay. Hope it was worth the extra rupee for today.
>>720158727United States Dollars, although any currency would work.
>>720158818I accept your concession
>>720158869I hope a PC missile blows your mudhole.
>>720158858Holy shit dude, are you retarded? What specific statistic are you trying to use?
>>>/g/106526329He's right.
>>720157450>That's not your point. You specifically said PS4 was the majority.Yeah, and my point of that statement was to talk about how the PS4 userbase is still huge despite the PS5 existing.>Xbox 360 sold a total of 84M units. The PS3 did better even with the 60GB model selling for $600 at launch. The PS3 did better after years of dropping prices. It took until late 2009 for it to start overtaking the 360 and that was with two and a half years of price cuts to do that. The point is that it only started seeing any major success after dropping to $500 and then especially $300.https://news.microsoft.com/source/2009/05/28/xbox-360-sees-record-growth-in-2009/https://www.cnet.com/home/smart-home/sony-dishes-on-playstation-3-sales-psn-growth/https://www.cnet.com/culture/playstation-3-price-cut-official-60gb-ps3-now-just-500/https://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/19/technology/personaltech/19sony.html>So, what are you saying?I'm saying that the PS5 will sell more because it sold at a lower price earlier so comparing it to the PS3 which took years to actually start lowering its price and selling isn't the right way to go about this. PS5 had the PS4 bump and PS3 had the PS2 bump, sure, but the PS5 still managed to sell more than the PS3 simply because the prices were lower. $200 lower if you were willing to pay for a digital only system or a Slim.>I don't think it's the same as the 2005 announcement of the $599 PS3.It's not, but it still saw major hate for it across the board and the accessories with their increased prices. It may be selling but consumers aren't happy at its price point.>The disposition of the consumer doesn't seem that important if they're still willingly parting with their income to purchase said product.They're boiling a frog in a pot. Eventually the frog is going to die if you keep raising the heat.>THEY STILL BOUGHT IT. Enthusiast market.>New iPhones sell really wellThey're also phones which you use for every day life.
>>720158934I think when comparing the value of one thing to another, a currency is the best unit to use. Or is it just hard for you to understand how an Apple can be worth $1 while an Orange is worth $2?
>>720159054You're a fucking moron.
>>720159054What "value" Are you talking about the market cap of a company on the stock market?
>>720158897this is the same thing as your gaming PC with an rtx 5090 :^)
>>720157915>>720157936A miserable little pile of circuits
>>720158945samefaggot
So is there literally no point in buying PS anymore>Always rising prices>Literally downgrading while charging more for a lesser experience>Still makes games for PS4 anyway
>>720159003>Yeah...Using lies. >I'm saying...Well, the PS5 was supply constrained by Covid lockdowns. Under non-global pandemic circumstances, it could've sold even better. And no one could grab the $400 PS5. It barely existed. Also, a $500 PS3 existed. >It may be selling but consumers aren't happy at its price point.I fail to see the value in this metric. They're still buying it. That's all that matters to Nintendo. It's a publicly traded company with quarterly financial reports to give and yearly targets to meet. >Eventually the frog is going to die if you keep raising the heat.It may surprise you, but all good things must come to an end, but shareholder stock prices always need to go up. >Enthusiast market.Which is basically what the Switch 2 audience is to you. As well as the PS5 market. And basically anyone who buys a console before it gets a 50% price drop. >They're also phones which you use for every day life.And you can get far, far, cheaper alternatives that have 80% of the specs of those new iPhones for your everyday use. The iPhones still sell like hotcakes. You might even call iPhone buyers...enthusiasts. And new consoles don't drop every year. A brand, new console every 7-8 years will do fine at an inflation, adjusted price of around $600. But that's it for me. Moose, you have not gotten much smarter as you've aged.
>>720156060You're getting only PS4 and PS5, and you're going to like it.
>>720159407No just get a switch 2 and pc
Skip the switch 2 because you'll be able to emulate it in a year from now on PC
>>720159704 Skip the switch 2 because you'll be able to emulate it in a year from now on PC
>>720142430Notice how they call it detachable instead of separate. You can bet your ass it won't be included in the price.
>>720151885It basically is over. Everyone with functional eyes could see this coming from a mile off the moment the PS5 Pro didn't have it built-in. This will lead to the exact same situation as PC where publishers just go with digital-only because they can no longer assume their potential customers will even have disc drives for physical. The only publishers still doing physical PC releases are super-niche hobbyist eroge producers making them in limited-run CEs sold only on specific websites for enthusiasts. As of this day, PCfags will look at you like a dinosaur for suggesting or mentioning PC games on DVD/Blu-Ray or having a disc drive. Between this, Nintendo pushing the Game Key Cards on Switch 2 as an obvious poison pill, and Xbox switching to a primarily subscription-based model with Game Pass, it is clear this gen will be the last for physical games.
>>720159915>>720159991Lmao keep seething brownoid
>>720156428I hate Microsoft
>>720160215>Sony finally gets around to ripping off the X360's idea of having an add-on drive with nothing to play on it (HD-DVD)Is there NOTHING they won't steal
>>720160283Im white and i will pay for my switch 2 games legally and also play them legally without owning a console
>>720159704This, I'm getting the Switch 2 and when it comes, Steam Deck 2. I'm done with home boxes, just gonna take my games anywhere.
>>720159690>Using lies.Using hyperbole because I was too lazy to look up actual numbers.>Well, the PS5 was supply constrained by Covid lockdowns. Also, a $500 PS3 existed. Fair enough.>I fail to see the value in this metric. They're still buying it.Because eventually you'll reach a point where people are "Put your foot down" pissed. It's why I used the boiling frog analogy.>but all good things must come to an end, but shareholder stock prices always need to go up. Yeah, I know, but you'll also reach a point where shareholder stock prices can't go up because you've alienated the people you are trying to attract in the first place because of how you've priced things or done things.>Which is basically what the Switch 2 audience is to you. As well as the PS5 market. And basically anyone who buys a console before it gets a 50% price drop. The Switch 2 and PS5 markets aren't enthusiast markets. They're still at a reasonable $500 and under price point. When you start going higher than that then you reach the point where it's less for the general public and more for video gaming enthusiasts. It's why going higher and higher for base systems and not Pro revisions, especially when talking about the PS6, seems ridiculous. It's like trying to sell a 4070 to the 2070 owning market. Some people are going to upgrade to it and they'll justify it but the others are just going to settle for the 3070 (In this example a PS5 when the PS6 comes out).>You might even call iPhone buyers...enthusiasts.It's more like a cult but yeah.>A brand, new console every 7-8 years will do fine at an inflation, adjusted price of around $600. Again, we just had a system gain a $150 price increase and it caused horrible press for Nintendo. Sony in particular has been pissing people off with their constant price increases on the PS5 instead of price drops. $600 or higher would also instantly call back to Sony's disastrous $599 US dollars E3 which I would argue they'd want to avoid.
>>720152658you butthurt dumbass
I'm surprised it took them this long, the last physical game I bought was Witcher 3 on the ps4 a little over a decade ago, digital is way more convenient, it was one of the reasons why I recently jumped to pc
>>720160412The drive will most likely be for playing the PS4/5 games you already have. That's it. No one is going to print physicals for something they don't even know their customers will have, or there would still be a living physical PC market.
>>720142430This is Nintendo's fault.
>>720143574People were paying $1,000 for a PS5 the first two years after its release due to scalping and low production.
>>720160836Sony announced the Pro didn't have a built-in drive before Nintendo announced Game Key Cards. Sony was building up to this anyway, it's just blatantly obvious that everyone else is eager to follow them down the hole.
>>720160429That's what I do. I used to pirate a game first and if I like it I will buy the game later.
>>720160826Might as well save money by keeping the old consoles around, and put the extra towards playing new releases on PC. 300+IQ move Sony, very nice
>>720160836>This is Microsoft's faultFixed
>>720161187No sonyfags always get mad at nintendo whenever sony does something bad. They will never put the blame on sony because they are literal cultists
>>720161035Nintendo announced no built-in disc drives with the Switch way back in 2017.Sony is mereley following their example of unprecedented success.
>>720142430This will be the death of them eventually.I can't imagine by meathead brother using an online store, he just wants to buy his FIFA disc at the local electronics peddler.
>>720161386The Switch still has a physical format with built-in support, and so does the Switch 2, it's just that publishers are being strongly encouraged to take the Game Key Cards because they're cheaper.
>>720162170He was making a joke because the Switch has no disk drive.
>>720142430>>720142430www.youtube.com/watch?v=VimLKqEcXRM
>>720161292>he doesn't remember the Xbone SAD Edition that predates all of this
>>720160215>Nintendo pushing the Game Key Cards on Switch 2 as an obvious poison pillThird parties demanded the goycards anon.Nintendo itself is still releasing first party stuff fully in-cart.
>>720142430A 5090 or Switch 2 cant even run GTA 6
>>720163337he know but is intentionally spreading misinformation
>>720164937Nothing can, because it's not even out
>>720145256the playstation 6 exists to fund the the production of the playstation 5. I'm serious too btw. This is how modern capital works. They rely on the future promise of product to generate funds to be able to afford production of current product.>but what about all the profits from the previous productCEO pockets and stock buy backs.
>>720147103Everything comes to a head by the end of October. It's why the current economic system is not actively being fixed. They will run the system until everything else is over, and that happens soon after the end of October. 3i ATLAS.
Recession soon, normies need to be glued to their TVs on government gibs and not questioning how BlackRock is trying to own the planet. That said, no reason to update consoles for a spec bump. No one is innovating, game devs are barely shipping remakes of games from 20 years ago, and so on.The industry is fucked and PS5 is a PS4 with better graphics. The only cool thing out of this generation has been the controller and no one really utilizes it.
>>720145109All that hype and effort put into backwards compatibility just to nullfify discs is insane and exactly something microsoft would do.
>>720143717Gog plus flash drive zoom
We lost the war.Remember when Xbox got massive shit for this and /v/ larped as patriots and tried starting an outrage campaign about how no-disc meant that Microsoft was trying to fuck over our troops from playing video games on deployment or in submarines lol
>>720142430> ps6> when ps 5 has exactly 0 exclusives worth playing in it's entire livespanyou can't make this shit up
>>720165837that was about a mandatory online check-in, not the disc drive being sold separately.
>PS6 launches without drive>PS5 phased out, which is the only cheap 4K player currently being sold>BD4K dies a slow death>"4K" streams still using a worth bitrate than even 1080p bluraysIt sucks, although I'm half-expecting them to make PS5 just outright support PS5's drives to save on R&D. I have garbage internet so I've ignored most of the modern AAA games because they're fucking 80gb+.
>>720165950Right, sorry my memory is getting fuzzy. I swear that was about discs because I remember some video to troll about "How to share games with friends" where the guy handed a disc to another guy
>>720142430Be good if the 6 could be designed to use the 5's disc drive, even if it looked janky or had a cord, I don't think anyone expects a change in optical media.Seeing how little I use my drive, I'm not sure I would buy a PS6 disc drive over a bigger SSD and external drive, those are much more important, I would just keep my PS5 around for my movie collection
Google Stadia BrosWE WON IN THE END
>>720166210That would require the 6 to have the same shitty design aesthetic as the 5.
>>720166046It was also about discs.Truth is that the average consumer doesn't give a shit about physical releases anymore.Microsoft's mistake was just doing it one gen early.
>>720166418I doubt the PS6 is going to be any color than black or white and you can change the faceplates on them if you want anyways to match whatever the 6 looks like.It's still a PlayStation, it's still going to be slightly curved to keep idiots from resting their sodas on them just like the 3,4 and 5.
>>720165616Never forget Games for Windows Live
>>720142430No exclusives no buy. I'll just stick with switch 2 and pc
i sold my gamecube to my uncle and I regret it
>>720142430>digital console>limited, non-expandable storage unlike PC which has shit like NAS available>still charging retard tax to use your internet>still have your games stolen if you say a wordliterally no reason to get one over a PC>>720143574ps3 fucking sucked and was a nightmare to program for
>>720143775>>720143836>>720143959>n-no one c-caressure thing retard. everyone hates (((game key cards))) and (((digital)))physical in its current form is a shell of its former self as games require updates and/or DLC, completely defeating the point
>>720169009PS5 can actually play multiplayer games without hackers and cheaters present. >>720167570Switch 2 has no big games. No COD, GTA, etc. What a joke. No games
>>720142430Can't wait to see how they skirt the European Trade Commission this time
>>720165905people dont care
>>720165837Do troops really play Xbox in Iraq and Afghanistan?
>>720142430Switch 2 doesn't have a disc drive
>>720142430>Almost 5 years since the PS5 came out>Only game is a remake of a PS3 game with a butchered artstyleThis is fucking sad
>>720142612One of the only positives of game consoles is their relative plug and play and hassle free nature when compared to PC. Might as well just build your own gaming PC, especially since this console won't have any worthwhile exclusives
>>720171835>most successful generation by far Exclusives dont mean much anymore anon.Baby shovelware is irrelevant
>>720142430At least it'll supports disks for one more generation, thank God.
>>720142430>>/v/ will defend thisit's better than digital only. but a real console with a built in drive would be better. it's lowkey positive anyhow because it means the digital only console is a dead concept.
>>720171054>playing Multiplayer games after 2013Anon, I...
>>720173286No, a digital console is an inevitability. It just shows that physical is remaining vestigial for the time being.
>>720143639Sony was going to do the exact same thing as Microcock.Do you remember this shit from the early 10s, where you needed to "activate" your copy of the game with a code, and if you had a used copy it cost like $10? Motherfucking Sony were the first ones to do it, SOCOM and Uncharted 3 being the big games from them. EA, Ubisoft, etc. were simply copying them because they also wanted to punish used games consumers. Then those publishers took it a step further and petitioned all three console makers to implement this exact same system right on the discs. Nintendo obviously said no (which is just one more reason why EA dropped the Wii U), but Sony and Microcock were okay with it.Literally the only thing that stopped this was the Xbone conference, and literally the only thing that saved Sony from the exact same embarrassment and brand destruction was the fact that their conference wasn't until the next day.Sony created all of this stupid bullshit themselves, and yet they're the only ones who didn't suffer from the consequences.
>>720145256>5 is not even on the mid of it's lifeIt's almost five years old, that's a fairly average lifespan for a console. The Wii U didn't even hit that number before the Switch took over.
>>720147558Don't count on it. There are no jobs. Rent and food aren't getting any cheaper. Health care will get hideously more expensive in the US thanks to moronic cuts to medicare and medicaid. Hospitals will shut down. People will have better things to spend their money on than PS6s
>>720143639>If you have an Xbox Series X, you can pop in the original discs for many OG Xbox and Xbox 360 titles and you'll be able to play an improved version of them for free>If you have a Playstation 5, you can pop in the original discs for many PS3, PS2, and PS1 titles and you'll be told to remove the unidentified media from the disc driveClearly the Xbox was the evil one. Glad we killed them just like we killed AMD for nVidia.
>Snoys spammed pic related for years>Turns out he's the biggest Snoy hater in JapanFUARKING KEK!!!
>>720142430No reason to buy it then.
>>720149168>EA Sports Challenge FootballEU carrying them on their backs on Sony
>>720173625A true historian. It's weird how how much this is ignored online.
>>720142430Why are they even making a PS6? Shouldn't the PS5 at least get one game first?
>>720173960Gen Z and Alpha play less games than previous generations so I wouldn't be surprised if we're looking at end stage.
>>720173563>No, a digital console is an inevitability.i disagree. there is no point to go digital only and upset your userbase: even guys that play mostly digital like having the OPTION of disc. that's what consoles are all about, all in one package. everyone is forgetting that disc drive cost pennies. there's no advanced hardware there. and physical is not really threatening to digital. there's always going to be a dedicated playerbase that buys physical. unless gaming goes full service type, we will never see a digital only PlayStation. gamers rejected digital only in the quarantine.
>>720142430If this is true, then why bother buying a console at this point? You would be better off buying a PC.
>>720146663>the PS5 has had nothing of worth to justify buying the console, with almost all of its exclusives eventually getting ported to PCSo what makes you think the same thing won't happen again with the PS6? Everything just gets ported to PC anyway. Making another console so soon is a waste of time
>>720174917>If this is trueit's not bad news really. it confirms that the digital only console is not happening. having the disc drive as a separate product is just a hidden cost though which is lowkey retarded because when you launch a console you want to price it as low as possible. not to have superfluous additional costs.
>buying consoles after the 2013 disasterretards never learn huh
>>720144009>PC was the first and mainstream platform to push no physical media. Any game that you are able to launch up without an Internet connection is a physical game, doesn't matter if it's on a CD or an HDD (bigger CD) I don't think there's a single physical game on console since the Xbox 360 and PS3, every game needs to be installed now.
>>720150165Sony of Japan still wants consoles, if only because they never want to give up any kind of ground to Nintendo and Xbox. The problem is that Playstation isn't in Japan, it's in cuckifornia and staffed by rainbow-haired wastrels that panic-bought Bungie after Microsoft bought Activision, panic-ported most of their movies to Steam after the PS5 launch went sour, panic-copied Game Pass when that appeared to look successful, and threw all their eggs into the GaaS basket under the leadership of a juden, only to have all of them fall and break on the sidewalk coincidentally right in front of Bungie's doorsteps and the old jewish fuck to mysteriously disappear along with his golden parachute.They've only now begun the healing process but they still have shitstains like the Horizon creator occupying top-level roles at Playstation, they'll be lucky if they recover within a console generation from now.
>>720156060>Wasn't there some rumor about the PS6 having FULL backwards compatibility with all previous Playstation consoles through PSN?You have to parse the jeetspeak, what they meant was that the PS6 would be compatible with the PS+ Premium's instant game catalog, which technically does cover every Playstation console through PSN (ie streaming)
>>720174746The gap is dwindling further and further, at some point the userbase that will be upset won't be of significance.
>>720175376Sony of Japan wants multiplatform and see it as the future. PS6 of all kinds will be expensive and most likely the last one.
>>720165950Funny how Sony added that to the PS5 with not a pip of dissent, probably because Sony Entertainment Inc. controls the vast majority of gaming news sites using English as the sole/main language.
>>720173678The old consoles were 7 years old when the XboxX and PS5 released, and lots of games still come out for those today, I would think these consoles would last 7 years too, and still have games come out for them very far Into the XboxII and PS6 lifespan, their GPUs are still pretty underutilized when not playing UE5 sloppas.
>do we continue spending millions on the infrastructure to make physical games, which get re-sold on the 2nd hand market which we get no extra profit from>or do we force people to buy the games straight from us, at full price, and save millions by not selling physical games?kinda obvious what they're gonna do.
>>720175610>Sony of Japan wants multiplatformI never said they didn't, they just don't want to "lose" the console war by not having a console on the market.
>>720142430more consoles than games
>>720143594snoys always blame someone else for snoy shit
>>720175567>The gap is dwindling further and furtheryes. but so what. sony already has an established store with lots of traffic. they don't need to force people to go digital as we once believed. on the other hand people who buy physical are always loyal. so even if physical goes as low as say 20%, there's practically no reason to upset that 20%. you already have strong digital sales and the manufacturing cost of a disc drive is pennies. why on earth go to the PS2 days with an external HDD or the Xbox 360 with an external HD-DVD drive. you need a good launch price for the PS6. not some $599 + $79. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExaAYIKsDBI
>>720175803i can't pirate physical gamesi can pirate digital gameskinda obvious what i'm gonna do
>>720145812They will make UE6 by then and it's gonna be even worse.
>>720175835Like Microsoft, they already lost. It's over
>>720175347>Any game that you are able to launch up without an Internet connection should have a physical releaseFixed
I'm posting with people who own consoles? I thought only normies bought that shit.
>>720177172Normie website
>>720177172Why is moon so fucking BASED?
>>720142430not my problem kids are fagget and retard. They are brown and cant read so it makes me laugh how they suffer with the world their retarded parents made for them.
>>720142430I don't give a fuck what Sony is doing.Do that even have exclusives anymore, or is it for shitskins that don't know how to assemble a computer?
>>720142430How is this shocking news to anybody? Video games have been going int he shitter for a long time and this was inevitable we would be heading for a digital only future with all three brands. PS5 doesn't even have any truly worthwhile exclusive games and we are closer to the release of PS6 then not. I think one of the worst things about all of this is people will look back on PS4 with rose tinted nostalgia goggles as if that was the good old days when no, not even the PS4 was the good old days. Sony is lucky Microsoft is such a fuck up because otherwise they would have been destroyed with the disastrous PS3 launch only outdone by the far more disastrous Xbox 360 launch.
>>720145256>5 is not even on the mid of it's lifeyou're incorrect, unfortunately.
>>720142612You just reinvented the pc
>>720179902Wasn't Destruction AllStars shut down?
I'm not doing digital only unless I can install from any source I want.
>>720176037>yes. but so what.at a point it won't be profitable for having physical media created or making an optional disc drive for a console
>>720180051you can still play with bots
Didn't you have to pay $100 extra for a Playstation with an optical drive just in this generation?Consoles have always been a blight on gaming. PC Gaming was doing fine until Consoles wanted to appeal to the Mainstream Audience, and fucking Gamestop KILLED distribution of physical PC games. You couldn't find a physical PC game box. You sure could find walls and walls of Used console games for Playstation (and a smaller selection for Xbox)fuck consoles. And FUCK Epic Games for abandoning PC only to come crawling back a decade later because consoles were a temporary fad while PC continues chugging along in spite of their attempts to kill it.
>>720180468Steam and the retards that use it did that
>>720180468It's almost like all PC games of that era had a serial key involved, and weren't used-game friendly as a result.
>>720180051>when games are so bad you can't pay $12 a mo to keep the servers on
They are not games. They are digital licenses. A temporary product you pay to access.
>>720180468PC is the main reason why gaming is going digital, lil' bro, or dd you block the whole "purchasing a license on Steam" from your head because it doesn't fit your argument?
>>720182037PC went primarily digital/DRM-locked due to the piracy issue. I don't know what the excuse is for Sony to push digital-only besides greed, since their shit doesn't get cracked until after halfway through their respective gen.
>>720142430it was going in this direction...correct me if im wrong but dont you need internet connection to install switch 2 cartridges? i only bought a switch because this was NOT the case
>>720184216Not all of them, but the majority of third party games, yes.
>>720185896k e k
>>720142430I cant believe GPU's don't come with a CPU and case, puter users will defend this.
it’s always funny seeing snoys act like gta6 is gonna magically move 100 million ps5s. no nigga, anyone who wanted a ps5 for gta6 already owns one — this isn’t some brand new console launch. the ps5’s been out for 5 years and sony claims ~80m sold. there isn’t some untapped well of “GTA6 gamers” waiting to finally pick one up — the market’s already tapped.
Sonybros...
>>720143574The cell was designed by IBM. IBM also designed the xbox CPU and it worked the same way. The PS3 wasn't "Japanese soul" and it worked so poorly because the architecture is terrible. SPU's are basically graphics cores and there is no simple way to offload task to them. You have to make a game in the most retarded way you can think of to get a SPU to actually speed up any workload you can put on it. What's even more insane is this is during the era that everyone was switching to multithreaded engines. So you already were trying to multithread your engine, and then Sony comes along and says "here is your retarded SPU's that have no OOE, no cache and weird rules for dma access that can accelerate certain task. Have fun figuring out what these task are!" Literally waste of time and money. Putting more SPU's in to make the GPU would have been the most insane thing they could have done, because there is no way to actually even do graphics work properly with the SPU's because they are all disparate.
>>720142430at what point do you bite the bullet and stop being scared of the electric lego set that is building a PC
>>720193604If you're an enthusiast and even then you're better off being an idort almost all the time unless you're incredibly patient and do not care about talking about anything recent with anyone. A normalfag is not going to do anything other than go to a Best Buy or Walmart and pick up a prebuilt which they're going to see is a minimum of $1000-$1400 for a "Gaming" PC. Having someone else build a PC using parts from pcpartpicker is also something an enthusiasts would do even if they're paying someone to assemble it so no normal person would do that.Consoles will always have a place because it's plug and play. There's no setting modifications, it's a known targeted architecture so people have an understanding that games will run decently well on it, games WILL work out of the box and you won't run into Deadly Premonition PC issues for example, and it's a trusted brand everyone knows because they're constantly advertising and on store shelves. Also, before you>run decently wellme, no one truly cares about games being 30 FPS. That is enthusiast territory and to argue as such means you're too deep into being an enthusiast to look at this form a normalfag lens. Normalfags can appreciate 60 FPS but 30 FPS is not a deal breaker at all for anyone nor is lower visual fidelity. Tons of games run normally even lower than that or have drops below that. City Shrouded in Shadow runs at 18 FPS on a base PS4 and PS4 Pro as a very simple example and New Little King's Story on Vita ran at single digit framerates. Pokemon SV regularly drops to webm related until the Switch 2 came out.
>>720142430they already plan for 6? does 5 even have like a single game yet?
>>720194514Nope
>>720179975I'm pretty sure PCs are still cumbersome for the average user. Anons idea is closer swappable upgrades with the hassle of tearing or opening the PC apart to install. Consoles could adopt the ease of use that PCs lack if they actually jumped at the idea.
>>720194435>That is enthusiast territory and to argue as such means you're too deep into being an enthusiast to look at this form a normalfag lens.I'd argue that's casual territory more than enthusiast territory. An enthusiast would care more about the quality of the game itself.
>>720179902R-type Final 3 is also a enhanced port of 2 by the way.
>tfw Ps6 will be a console generation of conditioning sסּynוֹggers for """Ps7""" being PC
>>720194615Enthusiasts tend to focus on framerate and how the games perform overall. Take Digital Foundry for example, they are what I would call "enthusiasts". Normal average people don't care that a game is at 30 FPS or even 20 FPS, what they care about is that it's not fluctuating to give the appearance of instability. Normal people don't really notice input lag, smoothness, and so on unless it's pointed out to them. Insomniac in particular came out during either early PS3 or early PS4 and said 60 FPS did not make any notable difference in sales or reception to their games.I also have two anecdotal examples of this from two people over the past few months. When I was going to pre-order Yakuza 8G at a store near me several months back a girl was buying a Backbone for her phone to stream games off of her PS5 I think it was and asked my opinion on them as we waited for the clerk to get back with it. I simply told her I've seen the controllers add some lag to your movement and streaming tends to make that worse so I personally am not a fan of either and she stared at me like she didn't know what I was saying.I was recently at a relative's house not too long ago and said relative got a new TV that had that adaptive smoothing stuff that fakes frames. Me and my dad were watching Rango and I was getting a headache at how bad the movement was while he was completely oblivious to it. He didn't even notice it and didn't notice any difference when I turned the setting off. He also asked how I could even tell and I showed him a simple framerate comparison on my phone (I think it was UFO tester? Not 100% sure anymore.) and he said he saw visually no difference between 15 and 30, just that they looked like an image. He said the same thing years go at Christmas at another relative's house who had that TV setting that makes everything 60 FPS and commercials were making me nauseous.
>>720195118>Take Digital Foundry for example, they are what I would call "enthusiasts"That's a very bad example, DF cater to the casual audience.
>>720195358I would say their reach is broad but the people who care about stuff like that aren't the same type of people who just buy FIFA and go home to play it.
>>720195072Ever since the move to X86 with PS4, I've just wanted the option to install Windows or Linux on it. Why the fuck would I spent the amount they're asking for a PS5 (and eventual PS6) when I can't run anything I want on it besides authorized Playstation-only packages?
>>720143775LMAO at this WEF drone
>>720143882I will never go back to that shitty toaster. PC gaming should be killed for good so we will purge ghird worlders and lowlife from the gaming spaces.
>>720174982>Everything just gets ported to PCSimply not on your PC.Thats why PC doesnt matter.
>>720175347>every game needs to be installed now.This nigger doesnt know the difference between a downloader and an installer.
>>720176130Stay a poorfag on welfare for all your life?
>>720177172>I thought only first worlders bought that shitThere are still white people on this board.
>>720179975Yes.... after all those years, The PC 2.
>>720144009No.That's phones.
>>720142430Aren't consoles generally moving away from physical because of Bluray transfer speeds bot being as good as SSDs? Or does Sony/Microsoft let you install disc contents?t. tendie/PCfag who genuinely doesn't know
>>720142430>>/v/ will defend thisIt's not a Nintendo console so /v/ won't defend this, unlike picrel.
>>720169732Everyone hates Game Key Cards because they're a retarded solution to a problem Nintendo created.>Make your game cards essentially be mini SSDs>Shit both costs a lot to manufacture in high storage volumes and is unreliable to produce in low storage volumes>The solution to this? The worst aspects of physical and digital ownership in one package - you have to download your new game and NEED the game card inserted to access content taking up space on your system
>>720196675>Everyone hates Game Key Cards because they're a retarded solution to a problem third parties created.Ftfy
>>720143775>>720143959Not how these have to include digital only games and dlc.
>ITT
>>720157450>Xbox 360 sold a total of 84M units. The PS3 did betterWorth noting as a caveat to this that Microsoft stopped updating the 360's units sold a few years before Sony stopped updating the PS3's and (beyond unit sales) the 360 became profitable much sooner in addition to the PS3 also losing more money than the PS2 ever madeHis point about the 360 slaughtering the PS3 in contemporary terms is still correct regardless of slightly different lifetime totals dragged out years after the fact as well, I liked the PS3 more than most people did and I can still recognise that it had comparatively little mindshare until pretty much the tail end of its life
>>720160836this is what reddit unironically believes.
>>720196675>people are still retarded enough to believe nintendo are the ones making the carts
>>720194435Love those 15 fps for a game that looks worse than Crysis from 2007
>>720143574>>and ps3 cell are japanese soul>designed by IBM
>>720142430I'm glad I stopped giving Sony Playstation my money after ps2. what a brain dead stupid fucking idea. this is exactly why I stopped buying Playstations
>>720143775I don't care about digital only consoles that's why I stopped supporting them. if I want digital I'll just use my PC
>>720154040if your PC has any USB ports you can plug in an external disc drive. if you weren't retarded you would know that
360 chads wonPs3 cucks eternally lost Ps6 will have no games
>>720142430Anon expected to not buy Playstation 6 because no built in disc drive.
>>720200094Already plugged in mouse + keyboard + audio and another one is for usb drives.
>>720201419The 360 didn't have games either except garbage shooters for pre-teens too low IQ for PC gaming
>>720142430I mean it's pretty redundant to have a disc tray if it has no games
>>720196516Bluray discs work the exact same way
>>720196675>Everyone hates Game Key Cards because they're a retarded solution to a problem Nintendo created.I didn't know Nintendo created one-time use codes and discs that don't include the game in them.
>>720142430who cares about physical in an age where day 1 patches are more or less a required thing? Who wants to play an unpatched game these days when all of them ship broken?
>>720173625Holy shit I remember this.I was wondering why this practice seemingly disappeared after I switched to a PS4
>>720188135Its still going to do numbers when and around GTA 6 releases.
>>720145256>5 is not even on the mid of it's lifethey are still making ps4 ports of new games lmao
