>REEEAAAAAADY
>let’s carve a path
>dubcucks
an advantage
>PARRY IT
>>720150668that line makes me diamonds every time
FINESSEANDPRECISION
>>720151548same
OWOWOW
>>720150668Is Shala a qt?
for me it's when Verso, sometimes, says "Phantom Stars" - makes the skill feel even more badass, and i like that he doesn't always say it
>>720150935French is in fact the dub thoughbeit
Good stuff
>>720151548based and same, also>Eyes up, Verso.i coom every time
BREAKTHECYCLE
>>720150668stop cooming to paintings
>*(bad sound mixing)* FOR THOSE WHO COME AFTER
I've become so much like Verso Dessendre, it's scary.I wear fur jackets, verbally lie to women, and physically assault my friends. When I look in the mirror, I can't help but say "putain" (which means fuck in american.) I grew my hair out long because I don't care so now I have to wear it in a bun and I don't care what people think (I do) so shut fuck up Monocco! I always leave an open wound on my eye, and go out of my way to show it to everyone so they are reminded that I am in control. When I see expeditioners being killed I get mad at them for not being immortal like I am. I can't have sex with my gf anymore without forcing her to dress up as Lune or Sciel, both of whom remind me of Julie. I just keep moving forward, until the canvas is destroyed.
>>720152702white cock? yeah
Not real btw.
why does this game get so little fan art, not trying to troll
>>720154394I'd probably do some if they were more scrimbly, but dont like drawing realistic characters.
name a more kino skill: https://youtu.be/BkrQZZRcIys?t=187
>>720150668She has the fattest, yummiest ass in the game by far. Wasn’t a fan of her because of the face at first but shes kinda got a butterface like charm.
>>720152430
>>720154746>if they were more scrimblyWhat.
>>720154174My current gf/wife irl is also not real so that's okay.
>>720154829Using Gustave's Homage to defeat Verso
>>720150668Your still pretending to care about this slop after Silksong mogged it so hard?
>>720154746then explain buldur gate or the witcher they get plenty of fanart but e33 gets none
>>720151049
>>720155073No matter how many of you discord sisters come here, you will not succeed in making E33 and HK fans hate each other. But you're welcome to waste your time trying.
>>720154394Because there's no self insert character.Gustave is somewhat, but he dies early in the game.Verso is a great character, but he's a terrible person. Hes nowhere near a blank slate to self insert as.Drawfags draw the characters they have a connection with "personally," which they don't have a vehicle for in E33.
>>720150668>that skill that costs nothing and gives out AP>plus the pictos that give out buffs and heals>plus a second turnSo fucking good
>>720150935Serkis mogs every other voice actor, english and french, that the game has. You're a straight up retard if you don't use the English voice.
>>720150668Is it just me or do all of Sciel’s combat lines have sexual undertones?
>Time to strike
>YOUR SISTER…DESERVES MORE>”Something is coming…”
>>720151854>OWOWOW>OWOWOW>Saxophone Solo
>Your cards have spoken
>>720152430LET MEPAINTDEATH!
>>720156371what did you expect from a horny woman?
STOPQUOTING PUHPA
>Did I die again?
>>720156897>My husband is DEAD. I don't want to get remarried. I just want SEX
>>720156525>*best riff of the OST*
>>720157027>knows she can revive her husband>still wants the dickwhy are women like this?
>>720157230Frenchies think different. It's a "We'll akways have Paris" sort if thing.
Let's spill some ink.
>>720150668YES I AM!
>>720157745>nude mod exists>doesn't have wispy teenager pubesI'm so angry about this.
>>720157745For me it Short White and the Obscura SetAlso Empowering Parry + Engide into Any of her top moves. Never really got into her Fire moveset though. Though I imagine it can make tgat one Void attack stupid strong
>When Verso accidentally calls Maelle "Alicia" at the manor.
>>720158060>Could you have saved Gustave?
>>720158015Painted Me + Baguette Beret clears.>>720158060>ALICIA MOOOOOVE>heh he must mean his sister who looks just like meWas she retarded?
>>720158205>yeah i let him die>lol>lmao>Unbreakable Bond
>>720158287Him lying to her is more kino
>>720158205>>720158287You can't tell me that this isn't a revenge/vengeful face.She knew what she was doing and why she did it.The bond increases because they both hurt each other in horrific ways, now they're even.
>>720158587Doesn't this happen before she asks him that question?
>>720150668>GO!!
>>720158703She probably rummaged on the idea of Verso's jackassery for a while.When the moment presented itself, she took it and then confirmed her beliefs later.Woman shit.
>>720150668WE MUST BE BETTER WOMEN
>>720158703Painters can see into the past. It's why Renoir knows about Sciel's loss and why Maelle dreamed about Verso killing Julie.
>>720150668https://vocaroo.com/1fGlpI8ZZwHEwhat a slut
>AI re-interpret main theme>it's 100x more kinohttps://youtu.be/mHX_7lb7Dw8?list=RDmHX_7lb7Dw8&t=61
>>720158015>Never really got into her Fire moveset thoughit's a really basic rotation of pyrolyse>burning canvas. with double fire stack you get 42 stacks after the first pyrolyse and 100+ stacks on your second round.slap on some ap recovery and she won't even need a dedicated battery.>I imagine it can make tgat one Void attack stupid strongfrom 67 stacks it outdamages stendhal. however you're unlikely to get that on turn 1 and you need to decide between keeping burn up or switching to virtuoso.
>>720159387post hand ranjesh
I just finished this game yesterday. I chose Verso
>>720159741based
>>720152552Based so fucking based
>>720158015>clearing endless tower>using gommage because stendhal op>fight the eveques>THEYRE IMMUNE TO FUCKING GOMMAGEi was a little unhappy at this discovery
>>720152552>I lieReeeeeeeeal human bean
>>720159940pRenoir is mid garbage.
>>720159985>using stronger ability because strong ability op
>>720154394They're realistic characters so its harder to translate into psuedo anime style and also a bit of this>>720155717
>pRenoir is mid garbage.
>>720160095i didnt run the numbers but all the op talk was about stendhal and for gommage i at least have to work for the 3 gradients so it made sense
>>720158587>>720160180Why is everyone's head so fucking big in this game?
>>720160271jarpig trope as old as chrono trigger
>>720150668take your shot
For me, it's Expedition 33. The best 2025 video games release. I even ask to buy extra Expedition 33 copies and the staff is so friendly and more than willing to oblige.One time I ased to buy Expedition 33 copies and they gave me an extra one. I said, "Wow, 33 for free!" and the nice friendly Gamestop worker laugh and said, "I'm going to call you 33-for-free!".Now the staff greets me with "hey it's 33-for-free!" and ALWAYS give me an extra copy. It's such a fun and cool atmosphere at my local Gamestop store, I go there at least 3 times a week for a collectors edition and a large soundtrack with a sifu bundle instead of windblown, 1-2 times for a digital deluxe on the weekend, and maybe once for the Alters bundle when I'm in a rush but want to support Kepler in a way that is affordable, fast, and can match my daily gaming needs.I even connect my phone to a bluetooth speaker, the soundtrack is delicious! What a great game store.
>>720160271who gives a shit you dumb ameriturd. SNES games were ALL like this, look at Sonic.
>>720160251I just set Maelle up to go third and put the charging gradients on Verso and Lune. Verso is built for free aim shots and base attacks, and Lune spends her first turn doing base attacks for stains. By turn three, Maelle's turn, I've got 3 charges easy.
>>720150668>Applies all debuffs to the enemy and all buffs to all party members in 1 turnShes so fucking good its insane
>>720150935>J'ai perdu mon crayon dans l'anus purulent de ta grand-mère.No need for the elitism. It's not even superior japanese, just worthless frog
>>720154829Sciel's Delaying Slash letting you literally no parry no dodge no hit even Simon with with maxxed out challenge options
>>720160496>>720160639Except it looks dumb on otherwise hyperrealistic character models
>>720159741Same here same choice. Now I have to go do all the post game stuff.
>>720161085They went for realistic proportions in E33, instead of more commonly used heroic proportions. The head size is more realistic than what's typically used, you're just conditioned by other games.
>>720160251>i at least have to work for the 3 gradientsstormcaller procs braselim's 5% gradient passive. combine that with a free aim build and you can max out gradients in one turn.
>>720161567>>720160675Oh well.
>>720150668why does she look like clea?
>>720162391Clea Ndeez nutsHaha gottem
>>720162391she doesn't
>>720162391based faceblind autist
>>720162646oh come on, you know I'm rightthey clearly had intentions there
>>720156525Game peaked right there
>>720162629Yeah, that AI Slop will surely show him.
>>720162713based doubling down faceblind autist>>720162774>himbased samefagging faceblind autist
>>720162646Verstave my behated...
>>720163024nigga you need to open your eyesyou even responded to the wrong person
Clea, formerly Claude
>>720163317claude 4 opus
>>720162713>Game peaked right there
>>720157019>my turnkinoino
>>720163228>different eye shape/color>different brows>different nose>different lips>different skinThey have similar chins and that's it, based overconfident faceblind autist
>>720156248Worst example, french Renoir has an amazing voice.
>>720163382>the singer when the phase changesi cummed
>>720163481you're wrong as usualthey were clearly going to do something with her but then decided to change her up
>>720152552Verso... Verso had a hard dick. Life.
>>720157745
>>720163552unironically soifaced and had my hands up in the "cinema" pose irl
>>720163596based dug-in headcanon-pushing faceblind autist
>>720163673you sound mad
>>720163646I stood up in front of my tv and shouted "KINO! KINO!"
>>720163714based projecting faceblind autist
>>720159741 I went Maelle because I was already on that path, but Renoir's argument completely won me over and I knew Verso was the "right" choice. Never had that happen in a game before
>>720151279PARRY IT
>>720162391You should be asking that about Sophie and Emma
shit gameI finished act 3 straight away by going straight to the end boss
they didn't have to go this hard, they really didn't
>Verso STOP, you can't just decide this for everyone
>>720163836The entire third act is just this image over and over
>>720159741Any adult and well educated and mentally sound people will choose the same choice. A better person will choose him and empathize that doesn't.
>>720163985>*decides for him minutes later*
Why didn't Esquie just fly out of the canvas?
I think we can all agree that Verso was a nigger.
>>720164187that would be weeee
>Does it hurt?>oww NOWhy can't Verso stop lying?
>>720150668your fate is sealedyour fate... is sealedYOUR fate.. is sEALed
>>720164187oh no, too much effort
>>720164209They're all horrible people. Renoir is the only good person.
>>720150668>killed her baby>pretended it was an accident
>>720164319>"Your fate...">enemy explodes>post battle screen appears>"...is sealed."Kino every single time
>Miscarriage out of nowhereA woman wrote this
>>720150668>Lune, attention~I absolutely LOVE that strong French accent Sciel has in some of her lines, absolutely heartwarming
>tfw literally God>NG+7 100x HP>every character, picto and weapon maxxed>about to fight Lampmaster and RenoirGustave is gonna beat him this time, bros. For those who come after.
>>720163606anti Versobro....
>>720164953Play time?
why's Verso so stupid, holy shit
>>720165102cheat engine exists
>>720165149Lame
>>720165140
>>720164512she has a tummy scar thoughever
>>720165102204h>>720165149No, I played legit
>>720164953why are they dressed like las vegas showgirls?
>>720163940>twitter screenshot>reddit filename>fictional character moralfaggingSo much cancer in one post
>>720165786because the game is set in vegas
>>720164414Nobody is perfect
>>720150668>>720150830>>720151049Why were the lines so unironically iconic and memorable?
>>720166069because they're repeated several hundred times per playthrough
>>72016394016 is legal pops
>>720164209Blessed
>>720163836Why would anyone choose Maelle? She makes no sense.
>>720167856cuz she cute and cute girls deserve whatever they want
>>720163823>Simon attacks at light speed
>maelle's ending>she shares a seat in the VIP section for the one apprentice who didn't learn of gustave's death>the other apprentices aren't seen>was willing to flash a rapier in the face of verso's childhood soul and terrify himI LITERALLY CHOKED UP IMAGINING HOW HARD IT MUST HAVE BEEN FOR HER AND THIS IS WHERE IT LEADS
>>720167924She isn't cute. She's a psychopath that fucked over her family twice. She needs discipline.
>>720168208>STOP comforting that tortured child's soul and call me Maelle RIGHT NOW my true, flesh brother with whom I was raised.
Renoir JANNY forced to CLEAN UP Alicia's SHIT
>>720168287I think the word you're looking for is based
>>720165140He operates on half-baked assumptions owing to being ambushed and back-stabbed when he was more open and honest. He's still kind-hearted, charismatic, and caring at his core -- but the bulk of his stupidity comes from placing absolute supremacy on maintaining secrecy if he's to have a chance at committing omnicide
>there are people who dislike the erdings because they're sad endings in different ways>they want a third happy ending dlcI really don't get these people, are they mentally children unable to handle sad endings?
>>720168964Generally, yes.
>>720158587It isn't about getting even. Alicia isn't Maelle. She knows the people in the painting are Sims characters and that she is their god. She only cares about living in a fantasy world with her [ainted Verso as a replacement for the real Verso who she got killed. That's why she kills painted Alicia and doesn't care when Verso reveals the truth about him letting Gustave die. As far as she's concerned, she's the only real person there and Verso HAS TO BE real even though deep down she knows he's not. She's a more psychopathic, immature, and clingy version of her mother. Much like how Clea is a harsher, more brutal, less empathetic version of their father.
>>720168484>clea's piss soaked panties after she spent a few years in lumiere getting dicked down by horny nevrons
>>720168964
>>720168964Verso's ending isn't sad and wasn't presented as sad. It's an experience we've all gone through. Saying goodbye before embarking on our next adventure.
>>720168964sir do not redeeming the erding bloody benchod good morning ma’am
>>720168964>are they mentally children unable to handle sad endings?...do you really need an answer to that?
>>720169030Clea is clearly putting up a hard front. She's become flippant in response to the trauma instead of scared, filled with denial, or brash to assuage fear.
>>720169103>a bunch of your friends dying isn't sadchrist, nigger. It's good for the family that they have a chance to heal, but there's no universe where either of these endings are happy.
>>720169103Verso's ending has the last thing in the painting be the last two people he betrayed staggering forward or falling to her knees in rage and despair.
>>720169167People programmed to be friendly to you aren't your friends. Even if we ignore that part, the only thing binding them was being part of Expedition 33. What's binding them together now? Talking about all the fun they had in the past gets old really quickly. How long would you want to live as a mindless automaton in a devastated world with a dying teenager with a god complex as your only company while knowing one conversation that goes sour could erase your world permanently?
>>720169234They would happily embrace their fate if they knew or thought through what Maelle's alternative was. Esquie and Monoco had more sense. Not all things are meant to last forever. They're children's toys whose survival depends on amusing an adult master with a almost no attachment to them and who could leave at any time. That's unsustainable. Reminds me of Toy Story.
I need smelly, hairy, unwashed, uncut Verso cock
>programmed>mindless automatonyikes, play the game
>>720169823They aren't toys, they're people. They're whole-ass people. Painters just happen to effectively be gods, and if Alicia/Aline wasn't intent on fucking killing herself the canvas could have gone on indefinitely. But now we have to choose between letting Renoir burn that shit to the ground or Alicia killing herself to live in fairyland.
>>720169827Monoco please control yourself
>>720157994i'm angry they made the butt too big
>>720169957Anything that isn't a product of natural selection is programmed to be that way. They don't respond naturally to their environment. >>720170017Even if we buy the idea that copies of people are people, there are two whole people left in the painting dependent on an emotionally-driven character who's never going to put in the decades of hard work it would take to fix the entire world.This is a girl who betrayed her family to join the Writers. How long do you expect her to keep up the paintress job? She does nothing after she "saves" everyone except transform Verso's childhood playground into Maelle's sadistic dollhouse.Imagine you were writing a sequel with Maelle's ending versus one with Verso's ending. Which one would make more sense?
>>720169075Not a single independent thought behind those eyes
>>720169596Lune would be most devastated by this >constant thirst for knowledge>practically lives for the mission as if she knew she'd die a meaningless death anyways>ask why maelle's hair is white>start putting the pieces together>realize there's nothing left, your existence isn't guaranteed, and die thinking it all could have been prevented if verso wasn't such an amazing liar
>>720170403Whether they're alive or not canonically is uncertain.
>>720171049Verso looks so tired and done with this shit
>>720150668>I AM... IMMORTAL
>>720166537true, but they instantly make a mark on you.something about this game...
>>720154985She's a fucking painting. She needs to be purged along with the rest of her make believe world.
>>720150668MEET. YOUR. RECKONING.
>>720171501People usually side with the character they like more regardless of what they're saying. It's easier to side with a pouting teenager over a suicidal vampire. That's the only reason people prefer the Maelle ending. We like to indulge our kids. Even Renoir was falling for it despite everything. >>720170982Her scientific knowledge has no utility at that point. She has no team to work with, no family or friends to work for, and a god at her side that can change the world to be however she wants. The only purpose of anyone left in the painting is to entertain Alicia.
>>720163024No idea why people think they look alike.
>>720171685The game is heavy on symbolism so people end up seeing it where it's not, like when they say all the characters look like one another.
>>720171049The focus on sentience - exhbiting complex thought patterns - is a distraction. We should focus on purpose. What were these people created for? The people of Lumiere were created so Aline could see Verso living out a happy life in an idealized version of Paris filled with people they knew personally.So there's a hard cap on complexity in the painting. We've seen almost zero change in how Lumiere looks and functions over almost a century. It's baguettes and red wine forever. The food never changes. The music never changes. Nothing changes because it's all the coping mechanism of a grieving mother.The "humans" in the painting are as sentient as gestrals or nevrons or axons. They were all created to do what their creators wanted to do forever.
>>720172609They can clearly adapt to change and invent new things. Their purpose is to be human, so they're human.
>>720172609>We've seen almost zero change in how Lumiere looks and functions over almost a century.>The food never changes.>The music never changes.I mean, they live on a floating island with the ever encroaching threat of extinction. They kinda have bigger things to worry about than inventing pineapple pizza.They are, however, shown to be capable of inventing, such as the dome around Lumiere, Aquafarm 3, the Lumina converter, Gustave's arm, as well as creative thought like the opera house mural and the Esquie statue. The humans are just largely focused on surviving.
>>720169030I think Alicia shared the sentiment or even knowledge of Renoir and Clea that these people in the painting are not real and cant actually feel anything (only simulating), therefore bring cruel to them doesn't matter, similar to how we call chatgpt nigger.Originally she wanted to erase the canvas, she only chose not to because she realised how much she missed verso (hence why she brought him back despite him begging her to unpaint him). In the end battle she never even mentioned Dciel, Lune, Gustav, etc. And their dreams and emotions. She only wanted this "program" to stop deleting everything. I originally chose her ending because I didn't give a fuck about the family but felt like Lune, Sciel, Gustav and all the other expeditioners who fought so hard, deserved this. It seems like common knowledge that they aren't sentient but it has never been mentioned directly, only hinted at.
>>720163823>>720168035I one-shotted that fucker with 45 million dmg, I don't give a shit
>>720158703She knew the moment she got all her memories back and connected the dots. It's why she asks him after this scene.
>>720159940How the fuck is Maelle at the bottom and not in the same tier as Aline? She's doing the exact same thing as her mum.
>>720150668>REEEAAAAAADY to use to stock assets for my ugly UE5 slop
>>720164085>>720161160>>720159741>>720159940>Yeah, let's genocide an entire world because some faggot family is sad.Versofags are utterly psychotic.
>>720150668>Moles
>>720172679>>720173273They weren't created to adapt to anything. They were thrust into late 19th century Paris with a population of a few hundred people. That sort of society takes millions of people to sustain and grow beyond. Even if they genocided all the other beings in the painting and reoccupied the entire continent, there's no space for them to sustain a complex society. Their purpose was to larp as a miniaturized version of the Dessendre family's social circle, which is the only thing they're capable of doing. That's their entire purpose.
>>720173881Anon pre-fracture it can be assumed there were a lot more fucking people. They've been mimiching sexual reproduction for a hundred years and creating (mostly) unique people with paint-genetics.
>>720157230Pierre looks like the kind of guy that likes to watch
>>720159741Verso's ending made me tear up therefore it's the canon one
>Playing a game the Frenchest game ever in Englishngmi
>>720173881>They weren't created to adapt to anythingHow is their "purpose" relevant to anything? They clearly have the capacity to adapt to environmental changes like living creatures regardless of their intended purpose
>>720165786I gesture toward my penis
>>720150668
>>720163552Unironically this is how I feel about the current state of France
I only feel that way "ironically." Whatever the fuck that means.
>>720173751>Turn off video gameOOOH GENOCIDE
>>720174065There's no indication that there were a lot more people. Old Lumiere isn't that large and the trains were obviously painted in. Aline would have no motivation to individually paint thousands - let alone millions - of people. It was really a few of her close associates and some stock characters.>>720174443Their created environment doesn't give them anything to adapt to. If we take the generally accepted ratio of one day in real life (assuming the Painter's reality is real) equalling 33 years in the canvas, Gestral society existed for millions of years with no real change. What's more likely is that the simulation in the painting pauses when there's no painter. That's how a real painting works - it stays the same unless someone's actively changing it.
>>720163823>Zanzibea...forgive me
>>720175313Anon the runnign gag is that Lumiere used to be much larger and that all the infrastructure they used to need has become utterly pointless. That's just the segment of Lumiere that escapes the fracture.
Why is there so little SFM, Blender porn of this game.
>>720175398>I've seen what pussy does to a motherfucker and it's much worse
>>720175313Versoul is the painter that sustains it, constantly. He's never not painting.
>>720175313>Their created environment doesn't give them anything to adapt to.They adapt to the Nevrons and living on an island after the Fracture.>What's more likely is that the simulation in the painting pauses when there's no painterFrancois hasn't seen Clea in centuries. The Canvas would have to continue regardless of the presence of Painters in order for this to be true
>>720163024The only similar thing about them is that they are smug whores.If you want to pretend that Verso is subconsciously fucking his older sister you should make a case for Lune since she is an overachieving footslut nerd that feels the need to be the very best at all times to please her demanding parents just like Clea.
>>720175574That's the protagonist's inference based on the evidence available to them. You see some ruins and you assume a continent-wide civilization. Then we learn that the founding citizens of Lumiere were painted by Aline, and she mostly built her idea of France at the time. So trains.Walking around Old Lumiere, we can see it's smaller than "New" Lumiere, indicating a pre-Facture population of a few hundred people.
>>720175961Anon Old Lumiere IS New Lumiere, it got a chunk ripped out of it and moved. There were probably not millions but it would be tens or hundreds of thousands. And that's dwindled over 100 years with yearly massacres.
>>720165140He hates himself because he knows he is a knock off copy of a dead dude
>>720150668Is Sciel suppose to be middle eastern?
>>720150668all of the battle lines in this game are complete kino and extremely memorableReeeeeaddddyyyyyy makes me dick hardas does the maelle quote about being an inferior fighter to a girl>
>>720158587She did it on purpose. She knew Verso let Gustave die. This was her revenge
>>720175313>There's no indication that there were a lot more people.Play the game nigger and look at the forgotten battlefield
>>720168964maybe because they see an obvious route to a third ending that is completely justifiable in the narrative but is deliberately ignored for the sake of generating discussion with open ended endings?
>>720175849The Nevrons can be genocided by a team of four ordinary people with no special powers in less than a year. They're no threat at all.Even most prior expeditions considered them an annoyance at best. Their limiting factors were distance, politics, and the barrier.With no more gommage, they would reproduce, genocide the Gestrals and Nevrons and plateau at a population of 100,000. That's nowhere near enough to advance beyond their current technology level. There's no space beyond that for them to expand to.>francoisA century in the painting would 36 hours of playime for Verso while he was alive.If he put in an hour a day, that's Clea not visiting the painting for about a month or two.
>>720176668>no special powersLumina converter, a paintress, and an immortal.
>>720176664Which is?
>>720175961There are tens of thousands of dead expeditioners around the continent (maybe forgotten battlefield alone) and only a small portion of the population ever went on expeditions. We see many hundreds gathered around the pier in the beginning in an era where huge swaths of the population refuse to have kids out of despair. You are simply laughably wrong.
>>720176668>Even most prior expeditions considered them an annoyance at bestDid we play the same game? Most expeditions start out as "Hey this isn't so bad!" and then they meet one actually strong Nevron and then "oops everyone died". Or they just meet a strong Nevron right away and get purged day 1
>>720176668>he Nevrons can be genocided by a team of four ordinary people with no special powers in less than a year.Lumina converter changed the game and expedition 33 still only slew a fraction of the nevs wandering the continent.>They're no threat at all.They slaughtered nearly every expedition that ever went to the continent.
>>720177056>Did we play the same game?He didn't play the game at all.
>>720177056Or they lift an casually reach the final boss
>>720176604The forgotten battlefield doesn't have hundreds of thousands of bodies. It's Expedition 41. We can assume a thousand or so people died in the expeditions. That's nowhere near the scale we would need to push forward early 20th century technology. We would need millions. >>720177056The gommage has been going on for 67 years so there's only one or two missing generations. If we multiple the hundreds in the opening sequence by 3, we get a thousand people.We would need MILLIONS to sustain a sufficiently complex society to get to WW1 tech.They had advanced tech because that tech was painted in. That's what they started out with.
>>720176981too bad they aren't real
>>720150668Just finish the main story after maxibg the relationships. Torn between doing the Map Extras and playing silk song.
>>720176774The paintress didn't have paintress powers. The immortal could be taken out of combat. So the only advantage was some AP boosts. Lots of expeditions got as far without those boosts.>>720177096Go through every journal entry and you'll see that most of them didn't die because of the Nevrons.It's usually them making some stupid mistake or not knowing about things like Axons and the barrier or running out of time. Either way, after Expedition 33, Nevron genocide would be trivial. It doesn't present a serious challenge.
>>720159985This is why Stendhal is better than Gommage, because you come by your big damage numbers honestly instead of having a fiat instantkill the game is less stringent on how much you deserve to be nerfed
>>720177195>We can assume a thousand or so people died in the expeditions. There are more than a thousand corpses in the forgotten battlefield alone you stupid nigger.
after seeing how nutty all the painters are im starting to feel the writers did nothing wrong
>>720177473Anon the gap between the starting party with three pictos and someone with 300 points worth of lumina is fucking impassable.
Did I just totally miss some tool in the game or is there a way to destroy the weird glowing roots you see all over the place and seem to be blocking stuff?
>>720177592>im starting to feel the writers did nothing wrongOh yeah? I'm gonna paint you as the crying soijak and myself as the chad, how do you like that little writer boy? What're you gonna do, write an essay?
>>720177760gotta find a certain number of the missing nevrons and the big guy gives the ability to you
>>720177804They're not NEVRONS dumbass, they're GESTRALS
By the time the 3rd or 4th CO game comes out, Versofags will be nigh insufferable, as if they weren't already.Verso nostalgia will run rampant.
>>720177592>This young girl is extending an olive branch>Lets burn down her faceTotal Writer death. The only writing I want to see is an apology and a suicide letter.
>>720177592t. writer
>>720177552How many is a "lot more"? We're talking about orders of magnitude here. We see a few piles of people. That's tens of people. Multiple mounds of tens of people makes hundreds of people. We only see a few mounds. So its in the low hundreds and that's stretching it. That's exactly what we would expect from an expedition a few decades removed from a realistic population Aline would paint by herself. >>720177674 You could easily beat the Nevrons without reaching the final power levels of Expedition 33.The other expeditions also had more hardened warriors. The people that got wiped out initially by Renoir were a lot tougher than the four we end up with. They could have gone very far even without a Lumina converter.
>Monoxo doesn't get an OP Void weapon for himselfThis games racist
I bet the next game is gonna be a writer story and the 3rd game is gonna be da war.
>>720168208Shouldn't the apprentice have aged if it was meant to be him?
>>720163024They look like they could be cousins at best.
>>720178174You can see like a nigger can swim, There are over a thousand people in the blood pit and lining the walls of the hole you fight the dualliste in, alone. The piles of dead contains "tens" each, minimum, and cover huge swathes of the area, not all of which is even explored.>We only see a few mounds10/10 bait you fucking nigger would get mad again.>>720178174And yet Old Lumiere was wiped the fuck out by NEVRONS, not Renoir, after the fracture. The nevrons that painted clea had only just started making.
>>720178174The only expeditions that reached the Paintress was 60 and 0, and they were superhumanly strong and/or staffed by immortals. Nobody beat painted Renoir even once.
>>720178641t. Esquie
Clea is a psychopath and people only like her because she has long hair and a vagina. Easily the most monstrous character in the game.
>>720150668AAAAAAAAAA-
I'mmm WAITING
>>72017878070 also got to the monolith which makes me wonder if the barrier wasn't always there.>>720177473>most of them didn't die because of the nevrons>Survivor - Melanie - Nevrons destroyed all of old lumiere>expedition 34 - killed by nevrons>35>37 - all but the writer were slain by nevrons and renoir>38 - two survivors not slain by nevrons reached gommage>41>43 - transports all destroyed by a nevron that horribly overpowered them, causing them to starve on a barren island>44>45>46>47fuckign christ even the ones I'm skipping mention having members of their team slaughtered by nevrons, I'm not going through all of this. Those painted niggers only didn't destroy the city itself because of the shield dome.
>>720178931This, there's no reason painted clea had to make all the new nevrons and there's no reason simon had to be turned into a slave warrior when Clea could've erased the hauler axon herself. She's a cunt.
Yeah, I want to disappoint Clea and have her scold me.
>>720151049Lune is the best thing to happen to gaming in the past decade at least. What a woman.
>Entire fanbase is made up of foot fetish and yellow fever faggotry
>>720150668I like how you meet her and your immediate impression is that she wields a scythe because she's an edgelord and then you find out that she's just a nice-but-dim farmer girl (she's not stupid by any means but she's certainly not the brains of the group).
>>720178780>>720179070I'm not talking about painted Renoir. My intiial point was that a Nevron genocide would be trivial after Expedition 33. The other expeditions got wiped out by the Nevron bosses, which some expeditions also managed to wipe out.Getting back to the initial point, what's left there to do in the canvas after Maelle "saves" them? If we assume Alicia/Maelle can paint 1,000 people, and that the population doubles every generation, and that every generation takes 33 years to double, and that one day in real life is 33 years in the canvas, that's 1 million people in 10 days, far beyond the carrying capacity of the canvas. So in 240 hours of playime, she's reached the limit of what can be achieved in the painting. She would be done with the game in a month assuming she's playing 8 hours a day.So there's a hard limit to what can be accomplished in the canvas. There's no way they can evolve beyond early 20th century French technology by themselves. They were never created to be more than a mother's coping mechanism and have no purpose now.And we need this limit. Otherwise, painters could discover futuristic technology by running simulations of their own world. They would be exploring space a few days after they discovered how to play around inside paintings.We don't see that happening which means paintings are fundamentally limited playgrounds for people to project their emotions onto. That's exactly what real paintings are so it makes sense.In conclusion, Verso is the right choice.
>>720179475>Suggests going to Sirene firstI know she was being retarded but Verso was lying for some reason?
>>720179475>She uses some sort of tarot and doom-themed shadow magic>”Haha, playing cards!”It’s kind of funny how every time something seems like it has deeper meaning to it, it turns out it’s just Lumiere folk being chuuni.
>>720179475Why was She able to just ignore the Mask attack again?
>>720151049can you make one of these of maelle?
>>720179820Something about how she isn't pretending to be someone she is not like the rest or the devs just wanted to give the axion kills to Sciel and Lune because afterwards they lose all plot relevance except as Verso's potential cocksleeves
>>720179820“I’m always upfront about who I am (except for the suicide thing, which I have subconsciously suppressed)”, probably. Like how the hyper-rational girl can beat Sirene’s nostalgia-based genjutsu.
>>720170216maelle has a juicy peach, you can see it even through her expedition outfit, deal with it
>>720179903Wait, I could have picked Lune? I thought Sciel and Verso was just baked into the story. Ah Shit.
>>720179982Yeah, but you can't if you fuck Sciel after the swimming lesson.
>>720150668>he played French game with English dub
>>720180036I thought this was a French game. What do you mean I'm supposed to say NO to sex?
>>720156525COULEURS EMBRASÉESROUGE FEU, VIE ÔTÉE
>>720178778Let's push it and say there are a thousand bodies on the Forgotten Battlefield. Multiple expeditions died there so no matter how you push it we're not getting to tens of thousands of people in the pre-Facture population plus their children and grandchildren. Paris alone in 1900 had 3.3 million people and an entire empire sustaining it. It was a few hundred people Aline could come up with plus their children and grandchildren, so a few thousand total in all of Lumiere. That isn't a popuation that would achieve anything significant. Baguettes and opera would is all they're capable of, and all they were meant to be capable of.
Verso staring down Sirene because he has no desires left and just wants to die was maximum kino
>>720180297Should have shown him his grave
>>720179862maelle is a child
>>720180297that song was the best one in the game
>>720180442burger moment
>>720180442out of 10!
>>720180442>she's only legal in 99% of the world, you sick fuck!!
>>720180509>>720180584>>720180624she is a virgin that shows no interest in sexshe looks at gustave like a fathershe has no boyfriend in her endingclearly a child
>>720159940>Villains are the best when they lack every quality that makes them a villainJesus Christ, I hate normalfaggots
>>720180289>Let's push it and say there are a thousand bodies on the Forgotten BattlefieldThere's over a thousand in Dualliste's pit alone you lying nigger.>earlier you say it was expedition 41>now it's multiple expeditionsFaggot.
>I wanted to sleep with Lune! >I wanted to sleep with Sciel! Bro you're in a simulation let them sleep with each other.
>>720180734>she is a virgin that shows no interest in sexsource?
>>720180862At least four expeditions died on the Forgotten Battlefield. When we're talking about orders of magnitude, an extra thousand means nothing. So whether Lumiere's population was 1000 or 2000 or 3000 doesn't mean much. They're nowhere near the number needed for an industrial society. You can forget about any advancement.Even if you give them absurdly high populations that Aline could not conceivably paint by herself, they're limited by the small area of the canvas.So the endgame for Maelle's ending is reaching the limit of what the simulation can support in a few weeks of gameplay, then leaving the simulation permanently while traumatizing her family and torturing her brother's copy for centuries.Verso is clearly the correct choice.
E33 has the most charismatic cast in an RPG. Everyone is likeable and memorable in their own way. The only thing missing is Gustave/Verso having a bro-op relationship.
>>720181146zero sexy sceneszero flirtingno interest in men or womenface it she's a kid
>>720180734>she doesn't want to fuck her adopted dad which means she's a childliterally what
She quite obviously would have fucked Gustave if he so pursued it.
>>720181272>So whether Lumiere's population was 1000 or 2000 or 3000 doesn't mean much.The city was torn in half and moved across the continent. You'd have to be a retard to assume that wasn't a mass casualty event. Many were lost during the movement, the early expeditions were search and rescue. Old Lumiere was then entirely wiped out by nevrons. New Lumiere would NOT have people fucking like rabbits in the wake of such a tragedy. Only a small percentage of the population ever went on expeditions, yet there are thousands on the forgotten battlefield alone. 10s of thousands throughout the continent. The population of Lumiere when Aline painted it was in the tens or hundreds of thousands, easily.>ending endingblah blah I'm not talking about the ending, you said Lumiere only ever had a couple hundred people and you were WRONG.
>>720181358we only ever see her with her family, lune and sciel, and non-human monsterswho the fuck was she supposed to flirt with?
>>720180451For me it's: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dffRUOBNGB8
>What are you doing painted bro?!
>>720165261What's the question and answer and in what context?
>>720181810>let's spill some ink
>>720181332It would have given the game a hundred times more online presence but at the cost of being infected with the fujo cancer.
>>720181501I said Aline personally painted a few hundred people. Then it comes down to how much time she spent in the painting before Renoir started to worry. A few hours a day spread out over a few weeks during a war with the Writers would do it.So let's say it's four hours a day for a month so 120 hours total. If the population doubles every generation, that's 32 times the initial population. So if she painted the meme social circle number of 200, that's 6400 friends for Verso to play around with. That's a reasonable number for her purposes, but that's nothing compared to what's needed to sustain or expand an industrial society.
>>720180773You're a retard if you think a hero isn't the villain to the villain
>>720180154>God this rock opera for Renior's 3rd battle is so fucking sick holy shit, I bet the lyrics are about winning a tough battle or something brave like that>fug
>>720181906Bro...
>>720150668I love Sciel!
>>720181719>>720181379no history before no interest in the gameno interest afternot even a 'i feel lonely' sceneface it she's a kid
>>720181483She consciously daddyzoned him and not in a lewd way from the start.
>>720151886sciel is brown? wtf bros...
>>720182178i literally never used sciel or monoco except when the game made me
>>720183074I only use sciel and monoco but sciel only as support because monoco is the best and all you need.
>>720183074everyone sticks to maxing out verso lune and maelle
>>720182009>the population of lumiere increased 100 to 1000 fold in a short enough time for Verso to not wonder why he doesn't agedumb nigger
>>720154925>doesn't know who scrimblo bimblo is
>>720182332>daddyzonedYou say that like Maelle wouldn’t have fucked Renoir if he wanted her.
>>720183338She ended up choosing slave oniichan musician over going back to Renoir
>>720183321Who ever said he was present in the setup stage? The main element of a painting is usually added last. That also explains why Renoir wasn't worried initially. She was popping in and out setting things up. Things really got out of hand once she got Verso back and didn't want to leave.
>>720183338maelle is completely sexless throughout the game.
>>720183580wrong
>>720183824proof of being wrong?
>>720158587>You can't tell me that this isn't a revenge/vengeful face.It's a retarded uncanny valley UE-slop face. There's no point in trying to analyze it, because there's nothing to analyze.
>>720183509The buildings we see in old and new lumiere can house many, many, MANY more than 100 people. You think she painted them into a ghost town, retard?
>>720183074they were both in my main party. Sciel's build up with damage and utility are great, Monoco's utility is excellent too and his insta-break gradient art is a god-send
>>720184336You're assuming they were all there from the beginning. She was playing Anno 1800 before shifting to playing Sims.
>>720173476ydnbtg
>>720184451speedrunners go lune onlyhttps://youtu.be/1S8UJFzCuE8
>>720150668People played this in English?
I am actually hyped for a sequel.
>>720173751You will literally never be able to reason with people about this, I have tried it's impossible. They have this incredibly simplistic interpretation of the story, when they find out they're "just painted humans" they no longer hold any value, Maelle is just addicted to essentially a video game and she is being saved by her father.
>>720185336I think they should make something completely new, this setting was created for this story.
>>720185058Why wouldn't you play in your native language?
>>720184638And none of the Lumierens wrote down that their city magically expanded before their eyes. You're bending over backwards to avoid admitting you were wrong. Aline is a powerful painter and painted a big city.
>>720181118Futa?
>>720185597Because he's a shitposter.
>>720185443Let's assume we're video game characters ourselves. The only way our lives would hold meaning is if we could escape the simulation, or continue to live in the simulation under the auspices of a competent and benevolent deity. There's no way for E33 characters to escape the simulation. Maelle is neither competent nor benevolent. The only way out would be to groom Alicia/Maelle into something desirable, and that could easily backfire ending the simulation.
>>720185443>they no longer hold any valueNope, simply less value to me than my wife and child.
>>720150935Charlie Cox, Andy Serkis, Jennifer English, and Ben Starr outshine every single french VA in the game by a country mile. The french dialogue is still very good, but the english performance is just objectively better
>>720185708It wouldn't have to magically expand. You don't need magic to settle an uninhabited continent and achieve consistent population growth with 1800s technology. A few helpful nudges from Aline can speed up the process.
Simon's theme being called "We lost" is very fitting.
It's been a while since I've seen a genuine discussion about E33 on /v/. What happened?
Verso and Monoco kept saying Gustave every time I pick up something from the ground...
>>720186349SHILLS HAPPENED.
>>720186349There's very active threads every other day but half of them are just more Verso vs Maelle fights or baits involving dorito pope's oscars
How the hell do I beat the siren enemies, they dodge like 99% of your non-free aim attacks
>>720151049>when your not-sister forces you to marry and impregnate a beautiful autistic hapa footslut that shares your love for music and indulge in your life passion instead of letting you kill yourself
what are the odds of a dlc/sequel announced at tga?
>>720186640You use free aim attacks
>>720150668>>720151049>>720157019>>720157745>>720158703why did it take 30 years for western devs to make attractive white people in video games?
>>720186798Merde
>>720186349Because everyone already played GOTY.Same with every other game it gets discussed the first month or-so then after that it's just "le epic trolls" shitting up the thread.
>>720186774I think they'll go straight for a sequel. But that's some years away. They only recently announced that they are in the planning phase.
so is alicia's whole body burned up or just her face...?
>>720186751As much of a retard as Verso is I do understand his position as a painted memory of a dead man who was forced the have all the memories of his real life counterpart and the knowledge that the painting he inhabits is killing his literal creator and figurative mother
>>720186774the sequel is alicia being recruited to the writers and clea fighting her
>>720186349It's not a live service or multiplayer game. It's a story game. Everyone's experienced the story and learned how to break the combat.
>>720187401Her burn scars go waaaaay down her neck, so I assume her boobies are KIA as well.
>>720187653jackpot
>>720186349There's not much to talk about. The game takes a day to finish and there's not a lot of side content. You discover most of what there is to discover in your first playthrough. It's your entire life for a few days and then it's over. It feels like a vacation.
>>720187514For me the December 33rd is what hints that the outside world is not real either.My take: Clea is fighting a solitary war against Writers (the ones who seem to have tricked Alicia). So... the "real" world might be a book. Or an illustrated book - as in something on which painters and writers would have the balanced powerscaling.
>>720188063I would think that the writers can write pre-determined stories while the painters can paint and have their creations have their own free will. Maaaan, I would love to see\play the writers perspective.
>>720186774The one thing I would like to see is an expansion/mini sequel dealing with expedition 0. But other than that, no. That said, I could easily see this going down the assassin's creed path of the meta plot.
>>720187653what about... you know... lower down...?
>>720187770>The game takes a day to finishAre you a neet? My first playthrough took me about a week but I have a job
>>720188063>the "real" world might be a bookMy interpretation is that artists in this setting are capable of creating real living, breathing worlds and people through their art. We only hear about the painters and the writers, but I could see more being done with musicians, sculptors, photographers, poets, etc
>>720188431I'd like a DLC where you play as Maelle in which she explores her body and uses her paintress powers to reach hitherto unexplored heights of sexual pleasure
>>720188854It takes way longer if you are the kind of autist that resets boss fights to win them "the right way" or that needs to see the result of every single dialogue option like me
>>720188854I'm counting hours. It took me somewhere around 16 hours to finish my first playthrough and a few more hours for the sidequests. So 20 hours over five days.
>>720188947What if you get that but she's 30?
>>720188930bruh this is ex ubisoft employees reinventing asscreed with paintings as the animus. writers are templars and painters are ass-ass-ins.
>Zanzibart..... please... forgive me
>>720189068she's technically 32 in the game
>>720189505out of 10
>>720189505Living to 16 twice doesn't make you 32. Not in terms of your life experiences. Repeating second-grade doesn't make you a third-grader.
>>720170216shut up Ireland
>>720189605>living to 16 twice doesn't make you 32it's 32 years worth of life experience you fucking moron. It absolutely is no different.
>>720188930Too messy. What's a good reference they could use to keep the lore focused?
>>720189758She only experienced the things children experience. She hasn't experienced life as an adult. You could say she would be mature for her age, but she's definitely not a 32-year-old. You can't have a threesome with two 16-year-olds then say they're 32. That makes no sense.
>>720163940>faggots can't even bother to wait until they see someone creeping on the imaginary underage girl and get up on their soap box asap
>>720189894anon I know youre trolling me so im just gunna say I would have sex with both burnt alicia and maelle at the same time and there's nothing you can do to stop me.
>>720189967>today anon learns about virtue signalling
>>720189156It's literally nothing like Asscreed
>>720150668We need more sciel supremacy
>be a half blind mute>enter a fantasy world>get to grow up without your physical handicaps>dad goes full pic related
>>720189894>She only experienced the things children experience. She hasn't experienced life as an adult.neither have most /v/irgins
I finished it last nightAct 3 was way too easy. They should have kept the damage cap until NG+
>>720190650I like how the game deliberately ignores and/or tries to downplay that part, because otherwise nobody would've picked Verso's ending.
>>720190650She can play superhero in some other painting. This one adds mental illness on top of her physical illness.
>>720190423the meta plot is the same as asscreed. this was sadness so wait till you explore anger with clea and renoir then joy with the entire family.
So why exactly do the people of Lumiere call her The Paintress? As far as I know, they never actually see her paint anything. She's asleep for the whole year and the only time she does anything is when the gommage happens, and even then, depite the game calling it painting, she doesn't actually paint anything, just touches the monolith and the numbers change by themselves.
>>720191456But that's kinda missing the point of her issue. She's escaping into the painting BECAUSE she doesn't want to live her life as a cripple in real world.If your solution to this problem is >lol, just escape to a different paintingit means she's just lose herself in that painting. Because she still has no reason to go back to the real world.>b-but she'll die.I don't think she cares what happens to her in real life.
>>720191718You're putting words in her mouth. She never says she's escaping into the painting to escape life as a cripple. If she was in any pain, that was months ago. She's shown as healthy with some scars.She escaped into the painting due to her guilt over her actions leading to Verso's death. She can't stand letting the last remaining part of him go. So she turns the painting into a dystopian prison. >lose herselfShe's a painter. It's her job to lose herself in paintings. If she really wanted superpowers, she would work on her painting skills. That's exactly what she doesn't do in her ending.
>>720191678Sounds better than numberess
>>720187448for real that's gotta be pretty fucked up. He's the only one who knows the truth and he keeps it to himself to protect the others.
>>720191892>She never says she's escaping into the painting to escape life as a crippleSHE LITERALLY SAYS THAT DURING HER CONFRONTATION WITH VERSO>It's not worth your life.>What life, Verso? A life of loneliness in a shell of a body? With no voice and no future? Here I get to chance to live, out there I merely exist.
>>720192019That's about wanting to escape in general, not about wanting to escape into this specific painting. We know why she escaped into this specific painting, and it's to turn it into her personal dollhouse starring Verso.
Not playing this slop until they release the complete director's cut edition
>>720192079Well, yes, you are making my point for me. She's going to lose herself in any painting no matter what, because her issues don't begin and end with Verso.So the advice "create a new canvas to escape to, lol" is inherently dumb.
I wonder what other paintings are like, without all this nonsense going on in this one of women fucking everything up because they can't handle their emotions, so a man has to deal with his pain alone to save them.
>>720181871He's talking to a guy in an interview who suggested that in a way, maybe the Maelle ending is a good ending. And the lead guy of the game looks at him like he's retarded and tries to change the subject
>>720192207Escaping into some other painting wouldn't be a problem. That's what her parents want for her. They want her to be a Paintress.With Verso's ending, she ends up reaching her full potential. In Maelle's ending, she stagnated and makes life worse for everyone.
funny how big character heads are they look like dolls lol
>>720192365>Escaping into some other painting wouldn't be a problem.I've just told you that it would be a problem, because she doesn't want to spend a breathing minute in the real world and she sees no reason to. Also, Alicia never wanted to be a paintress, but a writer. She only became a paintress out of necessity.The game tries to have a point about Alicia being free to make her own decisions, while simultainously robbing her of her agency every step of the way.
>>720191250Not really. staying in the painting fucks her over too, she won't last long before withering away and/or going insane. Pretty much every character in the game is tragic in one way or another.
>>720192732I dunno, I am sure she can rack up some 40-50 years of peaceful life in the painting due to time dilation, compared to what? 10-20 years of constant pain in real world before her damaged body gives out? It's 1905, mind you.
>>720192651Look at her actions, not her words. Maelle's ending shows us that she's a lonely, guilt-ridden teenager trying to atone for getting her brother killed during her rebellious phase while simultaneously denying any responsibility for her actions and disrespecting her painted brother's wishes. That's the primary motivation behind her wanting to stay in the painting. If it were purely about wanting to escape her physical limitations, any painting would do, and a painting without a devestated world with only broken people as her companions would do better.
>>720192856Given her already poor health, I can't imagine prolonged painting periods will extend her lifespan by much. The people of the painting were doomed the moment true Verso died (even though they didn't even exist yet at that time lol)
>>720192942Now you are putting words in her mouth to prove your point. Even though she consistently keeps bringing up her disabilities as one of the deciding factors in wanting to stay in the canvas.
>>720166069They really are, reminds me of WOLFS HUNT IN PACKS!
>>720192942>If it were purely about wanting to escape her physical limitations, any painting would do, and a painting without a devestated world with only broken people as her companions would do better.But she wasn't even interested in any canvases, until Clea forcibly shoved her into Verso's canvas. And then Alicia went:>hey, wait a minute, I can actually live a normal life here, because my RL sucks.
>>720175398Except the game tells you what happened, he got bait and switch by Clea lol
>>720177592They said the Clair Obscure universe was not over, I bet we play as a writer in the next game
>>720193186Given the time period, probably not. It seems like the Painters are French and the Writers are German.
>>72019285640-50 years in the painting is a day and a half. She can rack up centuries in the painting and it won't help her heal physically or mentally. She will emerge more broken than ever, more hateful and distrustful and resentful than ever. >>720193023Her disabilities don't exist in any painting. Since she has scars at this point, it's been months since the fire, and she hasn't attempted escape into this painting or any other painting. She enters the painting only because Clea tells her to. She's only in there for half an hour in real time. The deciding factor clearly isn't her lack of disability, but being able to atone for her guilt over Verso and live in a reality where she isn't a lonely teenager with little talent but a goddess the entire canvas relies upon to continue existing. I can't think of a more heavy-handed metaphor for neediness if I tried.
>>720183074Sciel is only really good for damage if you are doing the 100x health meme since shes the only character that can scale enough to one shit in that.
Remember that Maelle is the weakest painter in the family, and her mother was the strongest, and her mother was pretty much fucking insane already and starting to suffer physically IRL when you meet her.
>>720193229Writers would be Bri'ish, because seriously.
>>720193137She can live a normal life in any canvas. If her disability were the deciding factor, there would be no reason to be attached to this particular canvas, especially when it clearly hurts her family, when she was put in there to erase it.It's not about her disability. It's about keeping Verso imprisoned. She's a much more insane version of her mother. One's grieving over a loss. The other is grieving over causing it. She would do anything to reject responsibility for her actions, no matter how twisted the outcome.
>>720163024Same wide jaw and chin combo, somewhat similar lips too.
>>720193471Sophie and Emma have those too
>>720193413>One's grieving over a loss. The other is grieving over causing itShe's grieving over both of those things plus she's a kid, and a girl, so no wonder she's irrational and self-destructive.
>>720193137She's aware of the allure of living in a canvas before she goes in, having to remind herself that the reason she's going in is to help, not to feel better. Once she wakes up as Alicia, she's decided she's home. In the end, the reason becomes to pretend Verso is alive, just like her mom did.
Renoir did nothing wrong.
>>720193531It's obvious when you look at what's constant between both endings.Maelle: I just– I just wanted to live this lifetime together. This lifetime that was stolen from us. Please, brother… Please.Maelle: I’m so tired, Verso. Please, can we just go home and talk about this? Don’t do this. Don’t leave me again.Clearly, it's not about her disability. It's all about Verso. The lack of reaction to knowing about Verso letting Gustave die makes this clearer. At this point, the painted beings no longer matter to her. It's all about Verso.
>>720184831This isn't a fromsoft game, fag, sybau
>>720175313>Their created environment doesn't give them anything to adapt to.how does this matter? there are tons of isolated places on earth where creatures exist with no need to dramatically "adapt to". and besides, as other anons have pointed out, they HAVE adapted to their situation with various inventions and such. you're being needlessly reductive, on top of rambling about "population needed to fill out and expand" for some weird reason. you have a retarded and skewed version of what life OR purpose even MEAN.
>>720193573Turning himself into a 7foot tall shirtless spooky ghost just because his wife was fucking a version of him with better fashion sense reeked of insecurity.
>>720193573The Verso ending is canon. There can't be a Clea-focused sequel if Alicia is trapped in some painting. The devs wanted to push us into making the wrong choice by making Maelle its voice. Who would want to disappoint a little girl? If it were Lune or Sciel, we would be like, "Fuck off and kys, dumb bitch." Or imagine a non-human like Monoco pleading. Almost everyone would let Verso move on from the painting.
>>720179654It’s less her being retarded and more her being a cocky tomboy who isn’t scared of a challenge.
>>720194162Having a sequel that's focused on fucking Clea of all people would be the lamest and most lazy thing to do.I hope we'll never see any of the Dessendres again. Except of maybe a small cameo from Alicia.
>>720164160I'm saving this pic but I need to create a cursed folder to separate it from other pics.
>>720194162I would have made Verso play the piano for Monoco or Esquie, not to so Alicia can hook up on copium.
>>720150668parry slop
>>720164405>They're all horrible people.>forgetting Gustave who was too pure for world/game
>>720194976Gustave isn't real.And yes, Dessendres are all awful people. That includes Renoir, who is a controlling asshole incapable of talking to his own wife and daughter.
>>720163940Maelle's swimsuit is very conservative. My complex has a swimming pool, and I can tell you that there are girls younger than Maelle wearing thong bikinis. These puritans need to go outside, because there is much... much skankier and younger out there.
>>720167856Because she's a cripple with numerous injuries and in agonizing pain every waking moment of her with a mother that hates her, a sister who's too busy and stressed and dismissive of her, a dead brother, and a father who despite loving her is too fixated on the mother. Also 1900s medicine isn't going to help AND the looming wars AND the Writer v Painter war AND there's no guarantee that they'll ever reconcile.Letting her make her own decision to live on her own terms - happily and surrounded by others who love her - and gently euthanize herself instead is more merciful, especially since reality fucking sucks.Golden Ending would've had Renoir chilling out, Aline fucking off and coping outside of the goddamn canvas, and Alicia visiting the canvas from time to time instead of staying there forever. Clea's fine as is because it's Aline's (and Renoir's) fault for piling on all of that pressure on her to maintain the Painters' guild.
>>720163836Renoir actually makes no fucking compelling argument. That's his issue.His only argument is "you are going to die!" to a person about to commit a suicide.
>>720193950If you leave the Lumiere simulation running, what's the eventual outcome? They would quickly reach carrying capacity. The eventual outcome is constant cycles of war, famine, pestilence, and death. We have enough of that already and we're nowhere near carrying capacity. What was originally a child's playground would turn into Hell. That's because paintings are not meant to house evolving civilizations, and because painters are not truly gods/God.
>>720195402>Golden EndingYou're describing Verso's ending. Everyone moves on with their lives. The sequel begins.
>>720185443the paintings value dropped as soon as other fags started scribbling on it. maelle is the worst because she cant even make anything new and just distorts others work
>>720163836Verso's ending was the "right" choice for you because they storyboarded it to have hopeful insinuations with a new song for it, and only for the family. It's "morally" correct for sheep since they blatantly overplay the so-called wrongness of Maelle's ending.
>>720195608In Verso's ending, nobody has learned anything, nobody processed and grief, nobody made any steps towards improvement, because Renoir/Verso just forced their will onto everyone. We have to take the game's word for it not backfiring spectacularly in Renoir's face.With let's say Aline signing divorce papers and Alicia commiting suicide.
Verso ending is correct, it has no real downsides
>>720195721My brother.
>>720195721Aline won't divorce him. She has to have a Renoir tending to her needs at all times for some reason.
>>720195865unf daddy
>>720195865She'll just paint herself 5 other Renoirs.
>>720195721>For those who come after>Tomorrow comes>When one falls, we continue>Life keeps forcing cruel choicesThey learn the lessons the game is centered around. That's why Verso's ending is canon.
>>720195664only way maelles ending wouldnt be as wrong is if she actually left the painting like she said she would
>>720196137No, they haven't learned shit, because Renoir never gave them a chance. The game seemingly implies they reconciled in Verso's ending offscreen during a timeskip, but that's cheating.Also:>Life keeps forcing cruel choicesRenoir, sunshine, you haven't even tried the non-cruel choices before immediately jumping into the extreme.
>>720196146Devs confirmed that they did that on purpose.Both in-game endings have their flaws.If Maelle's ending actually did have her leave (and make visits later like a healthy recovering person), that would've been the de facto golden ending.
>>720162713I thought the game would peak at the Dualliste fightimagine my shock when it got MORE kino after that
>>720150668>GO!
>>720196276If you think about it, it's actually Verso's ending that has more flaws, but it lulls you into a sense of security with bright colors and uplifting music. But every psychologist would be horrified at the method both Renoir and Verso tried to solve the grief problem. Because forcing your will upon a depressed, crippled person is just goading Alicia into killing herself.
>>720196276They moved on from Verso and can now focus on dealing with the Writers in the Clea sequel.Otherwise, you get a repeat of E33 with the family taking down a completely deranged Alicia.Maybe they'll release a DLC for that to mop up the mess created by people who chose the Maelle ending. In the sequel, we need a healthy Alicia.
>>720151886You know she was suppose to be the voice of Karlach in BG3.
>>720196554>and can now focus on dealing with the Writers in the Clea sequelThat's actually a very bad idea for such traumatized and dysfunctional family, but if Dessendres want to quicken their demise, I won't stop them.
>>720196537>To keep your daughter from possible suicide, let her commit certain suicide.And this argument is even weaker when the canon ending shows that she didn't commit suicide.
>>720196276>Renoir, sunshine, you haven't even tried the non-cruel choices before immediately jumping into the extreme.Blame Aline for a being a retarded cunt.67 years of shitposting against his wife while trapped under a rock did wonders for the man's sanity and empathy.
>>720196783Hunting down their son's/brother's killer is a decent way of getting the family back together.
>>720196836*Yet.Right. They should the funeral processions.And what happens after, hm? Nothing is shown - who's to say that Aline wouldn't still mistreat her or Alicia just can't handle all of the pain she has to deal with constantly or Alicia's already deteriorated mental state not recovering or who knows what else.
>>720186349There are less jeets now. That's it.An internet cable that connected asia to the internet in the ocean was cut. They are not entirely isolated, but connectivity is worse than before. What you witness now is a glimpse into how the internet was before indians got access to it.
>>720196905That's not an excuse when you are dealing with your crippled and depressed daughter.
>>720181906The devs just cucked fujos completely by having no two (human) male characters simultaneously in scene aside from a short sequence near the start with non-characters and a couple of father-son moments with an old man.
>>720197242I don't want to excuse him either. I prefer the Maelle ending.
>>720196924Actually, nobody in the family gives a fuck about vengeance outside of Clea. Renoir even calls her crusade stupid.
>>720197257Still doesn't stop them with fix-it fics, canon divergence fics, and AUs almost all of which have Gustave alive.And Verso x Monoco.
>>720150668from this angle she looks like that froglady from Fallout tv series
>>720197393>And Verso x Monoco.Well, that's an actual canon pairing
>>720197393>bestialityIs there anything fujos won't do?
>>720186884It's french. French are notorious for being horny bastards. Look at Rayman and its faires, look at Ladybug, look at Wakfu.
>>720197491>French are notorious for being horny bastards.Based.
>>720196836"Alicia staying in the canvas forever" and "Renoir blowing up the canvas" are two extremes. And Renoir didn't even bother to find the middle ground. Instead of trying to have a calm talk with his clearly traumatized and hurting daughter, he instead assumes she's beyond reason and starts yelling at her, which only galvanizes her against him.
>>720197027>>720197526If the rumors are true, Alicia will betray Clea and this will lead to their parents being killed. Then in the final part of their trilogy they fight over a canvas leading rival factions.
>>720176407North african, from the amazigh tribe.
>>720150668Anal with Sciel.
>Sciel - hot Algerian >Lune - hot Chinese >Maelle - hot FrenchThis is diversity done right
>>720198036>chinese
>>720197712Eh, I can totally see Alicia eventually telling (via sign language, I guess) his stupid family to fuck off and leaving them behind. Amusingly, the only person who would support her would most likely be Clea.That's actually a cool premise for a distant sequel, where we learn that Dessendres eventually fractured for good.
>>720198118>sign languageAnon, she knows how to write.
>>720198171That implies anybody in her family would actually bother reading what she wrote.I can see Aline just passively-aggresively tossing away every piece of paper Alicia tries to give her.
>>720198036>Lune - hot ChineseFrench Indochina*
>>720198246Aline would still probably ignore her attempts at communicating with sign language as well.Renoir would give Alicia a chance because she's still his shining "star" but again he'll still probably prioritize his wife over his children.
>>720150668Honestly this game is pretty yikes with how it feels like an imperial French harem game and how Sciel and Lune are like these exotic colonial concubines for the main character(s) from North Africa and French Indochina respectively, not to mention hebe bait Maelle
I can fix her.
>>720198905verso looks brownmaybe born from a colonial affair
>>720198905the frogs have always been "problematic"
>>720193663You guys can keep going, but I'm just confused why you seem to feel that both of those reasons can't be equally relevant?
>>720167856french pussy game is insane
>>720192856>it's 1905, mind youshe'll be sorted then, doctors regularly prescribed coke and opiods back then
>>720200163Because they're shown not to be equally relevant. Everyone in the story is an emotional wreck covering up their true motivations. They're all unreliable narrators trying to fool you. You have to look at what they do, not what they say.The Verso ending shows that the disability is not that serious. Basic reasoning proves that she can escape into other paintings. Every other piece of evidence shows that the moment Maelle turns into Alicia, she stops caring about painted people, and doesn't care about saving them. The Maelle ending shows that her ultimate goal was to play goddess. Forcing someone who wants to leave her to stay is her ultimate act of dominance. Even better when you're torturing the person that got you into trouble by getting himself killed. Now he's the hero and you're the villain, and no one cares about you getting burned. You're ignored while his painted version gets all the attention. It's the ultimate revenge fantasy where she's absolved of all wrongdoing.Those are her true motivations. It isn't about saving Lumiere or coping with her disability or even attachment to Verso. It's about I'm right and you're wrong. You're wrong not to love me. You're wrong not to care. That's her final message.
>>720198905Why are they like this? Based thoughbeit.
>>720200740>coke and opium>prescribedYou could get that from the countertop no question asked.
>>720200743So, you are just doing headcanon in order to make Alicia look worse, gotcha.
>>720200874She shows herself to be a crazy psychopath in the Maelle ending. There's no getting around that. It's basic human psychology to want what you don't have. She lacks control, so she wants control.
>>720200964You are still headcanoning.
>>720201053It's only headcanon if I'm making up details that were never shown or mentioned. Saying she's keeping Verso's soul trapped so the Writers can use it to blackmail the Painters would be headcanon. Calling an obvious control freak an obvious control freak isn't headcanon.
>>720150668Expedition 33 troon general shill thread
>>720201436But you are making shit up.
>>720201631Some basic reasoning based on stuff that's clearly shown isn't making shit up. 1. We see Alicia before entering the canvas. No particularly obsessed with her disability. No living inside other canvases.2. We see Alicia after exiting the canvas in the Verso ending. Not particularly concerned either. No haste to reenter a canvas.3. We see Alicia in the canvas in the Maelle ending. Not exploring the world enjoying a disability free life, but coercing everyone around her including the zombie audience into being her personal puppetshow.Clearly it's not about living a disability-free life. It's about the control she gets over people she knows, particularly Verso.
Anyone else play this on Hard? I kinda regret choosing it because missing one dodge or parry will just end the fight but I also hate having to turn difficulties back down
