>This kills the retrofag
fake retrofag*
SMEAR: ONAI: PROMPTEDYEP, IT'S RETRO TIME
Based and lookin good pilled
LOOKIN' GOOD
>only Z lives leftSONIC BE CAREFUL
>>720151010>He thinks it's AIThat filter on the right is probably older than you
>>720150886
>>720151057perfect for gorgeous looks
It's true do
>>720150886look at the tube on the left and tell me with a straight face xbrz looks better.
Someone post the mario gif with interpolated animations.
>>720151010supereagle has been around for decades anon
>>720150886I actually like the way right looks. bilinear looks like garbage though
>>720150886Yup, its Retro Time.
>>720151198fixed that for you
>>720151057to me this just looks like my screen is dirty and I need to clean it
I feel like old games are just ugly. You either look at them on your screen without any filter and it's a pixel mess or you put a bunch of dark lines all over your screen and it still looks like shit but it also makes your screen really dark.
>>720151198>>720156662
I like CRT filters, but why do they always make them so dark?
>>720157335skill issue and get decent hdr monitor
>>720157335because it puts a bunch of black schmutz on the screen to give the illusion of blending everything together
>>7201508863/4s of this site now is just someone thinking up something retarded, and then they pretend they're serious about it.
You fags are so obnoxious and then gobbled down Elin's filters, mixels, 1.5x scaling, every pixel art sin just jammed in.
>>720157421I'm too poor and one bad day away from a bullet in the brain, I'm just trying to enjoy games or food or whatever else while I'm still here.
>>720157421Why? CRTs are SDR.
>>720150886>xBRZdisgusting
>>720157335Because retards don't know how to adjust the gamma to account for the line darkening.
>>720150886LOOKIN’ GOOD
CRT filters are a false nostalgia because they didn't really look that dark and fucked up. You're not remembering some aperture grill here. An NTSC/TVOut style filter or shit like that is more "accurate" for blending things together to soften the image.
>in a room with multiple CRTs>noticeable flickering all at different refresh rates>ocular migraine intensifyingOh yeah. It's gamer time.
>>720150886Nah, I emulate all my games on a CRT via component @ 240p.The image is crystal clear.
>>720157151What is this, tho
>>720150886>Genesis>Horrible dithering unless you use a crt with a shitty RF signalThe developers intended for you to see all the dithering for sure
>>720150886How the fuck do you know what the developers intended? Where you there? Fag
>>720156551>jumping flashI played it recently, still a really cool game.
Should I spend 75 dollars plus (pic related is 125 dollars) for a piece of shit like pic related lol? I guess they are so expensive because of the degauss feature. We've lost the technology on how to do that.
>>720150886i dont get it?
>>720150886The fact of the matter is pixelart was always a limitstion of the technology of the time.If somehow we had HD resolutions before advanced video game graphics, classic 2d games would have absolutely looked like drawn artwork or vanillaware games.
>>720157335Because filters are sn overlay of shaded lines to imitate the scanline look.What you need is a shader that actually transforms the image pixel by pixel while retaining the natural brightness and saturation
>>720157421retardi mean i have an OLED with HDR and highly recommend it, but HDR has nothing to fucking do with the thread
>>720161792dude wtfpick one up off the side of the road, or ask your grandma if you can take the trash out of the attic
just get a crt if you play retro games they cost nothing
>>720166568Where? Used shops charge a premium.
>>720166329>pick one up off the side of the roadThis worked maybe as late as 10 years ago but there aren't nearly as many floating around anymore. I've seen only seen one out in the wild in the past few years and it was raining when I saw it so it might as well not have existed.
>>720150886This shit isn't even real. This is some kind of false reality children have made up. CRTs always looked shittier.
>>720166329>>720166568
>>720167076Over $300 for used monitors. Costs nothing he said.
>>720166940If you're sneaky and fast, they're still free in used shops
Casually marries retrofags to zoomers.
>>720157026Try a real CRT some time, they're quite vibrant when you get the picture adjusted well. It doesn't come across on camera well, that's just how it is.
>>720167838i don't respect any so-called "man" who hasn't busted multiple nuts to this image
>>720157026
>>720156654>720157151too fucking dark, moron. increase the gamma. and make the scanlines less noticeable>>720157151>visible scanlinesvomit
>>720167076kek i tried to search for "old pc monitors" on some market website here and get tons of good crt monitor results at 5-10€, then i tried to search for "crt monitors" and cheapest i found was 50€, usually with the word vintage or "retro gaming" in the titleyou just need to find someone who's not trying to grift the whole "retro gaming" crap
>>720168572>Scanlines are le bad
>>720168841When I did what you said they got even more expensive. I'm just gonna go to some thrift stores and see if they have any in the back collecting dust. I feel like you could make a business out of flipping these things if your autistic enough. Like fly to some South American shit hole and pick up all monitors on the side of the road, dust them off, come back and then sell them for 70 bucks each.
>>720161362the dithering argument is always retarded because there were plenty of games full of dithering that were only released on systems that didn't use crt technology on their screens such as gba
>>720161362>RFwow you must hate yourself. composite is infinitely better
>>720151262Square Enix deserves to die. Fucking out-of-touch retards
>>720168572At normal playing distances, scanlines and CRT masks are barely noticeable. All the complaints come from people who game like this. I blame keyboard players.
>>720150886who cares about what the developers intended? what matters more is giving players what they actually preferleft is better
>>720169423>Like fly to some South American shit hole and pick up all monitors on the side of the road, dust them off, come back and then sell them for 70 bucks each.with what, a fucking drug boat? CRT's are heavy as shit
>>720150886CRT shaders are great.
>>720150886They literally didn't intend that
FILTER LIST OPENFINGERS READYREGEX ENTEREDThis kills the/i;op:only;boards:vYUP, ITS NEVER FUCKING SEEING THIS KIND OF FUCKING THREAD EVER AGAIN TIME.
>>720167076Those are all monitors. Not needed for classic 240p games.
>>720173918>This unalives the easily annoyed anon
>>720157151>>720161313its Princess Crown, and it's not very good
This thread is so retarded.Everybody had a CRT monitor 20 years ago. Devs knew everybody would be playing on CRT so they designed it for CRT."Flat Screens" were the big new thing being introduced that everybody wanted and thought was better. And so were Compact Discs.Is anybody here old enough to remember when everybody thought CDs were going to be the next big technology? Literally every single PC game was on a CD just like consoles but now consoles are like the only thing left that even uses CDs anymore, everything is just streamed or downloaded now lol.Lol.
>>720150886I don't care what the devs intended. I play with what I like.
>>720174451>Everybody had a CRT monitor 20 years ago.Mate 20 years ago was 2005. You think I was running Windows XP on a CRT?
>>720161792low end crt.
>>720174649Unless you had a laptop, yes.
>forgetting the most important
>>720174794ah yes, 480i SMW
CRT FILTER: COMPOSITE CABLE MODE, EXTRA DIRTY (fly on screen simulation)AUDIO: BITCRUSHED DOWN TO 5KHZ WITH DYNAMIC CLIPPINGINPUT LAG: BUTTERY SMOOTH 500MSFPS: BEYOND LIMITED (12FPS)RENDERER: SOFTWARE (hand coded by enslaved XSI developers)YEP, IT'S TAILS ADVENTURE TIME
>>720174794Mario if he bob deinterlacing
>>720174785Shit no dude, I had a 480p flatscreen. Thou peasant.
>>720174987Only 480p? In 2005? What were you playing on there original Xbox?
>>720174987not all us were balling. i had to load my shit on cassettes and use a crt.
>>720174938for extra immersion:youtube.com/watch?v=xaK1v6dfWbk
Stop pretending to play retro games and actually buy a retro console and grab a CRT off of facebook marketplace. Replace the capacitors and install a scart outlet and calibrate the geometry. Anything that's not original hardware, through composite or scart (no FPGA) are fake experiences of retro games.
>>720150886>>720151198nothing like that, get your eyes checked, bud. it's night and day compared to the usual smearing shit
>>720177419>Mario 64>on a crt>in a post-PC port worldactual autism, holy shit
>>720177419>bro just recap it yourself
Shit was so much easier to get into 15-7 years ago. My PVM only cost me $100 and a refurbished and RGB modded SNES ran around $150.
>>720177419compositesoul
>>720161362>Dithering Genesis :(>Dithering PC-98 :O
>>720166329You're not getting a computer monitor from the side of the road.
>>720160037lool
>>720177419I'm going to just assume that you've killed at least one person by posting this and not warning them about the spicy pillow hiding inside CRTs that might instagib them if they touch it
I genuinely was alive back then and I remember everybody hating the old CRT monitors and wanting to replace it with the new ones that we have today because they were better. And I think it's really funny how nostaliga has made people pay big bucks to have the same CRT monitors that literally everybody used to have many years ago.Another thing I noticed is that I don't really hear people call the new monitors "flatscreens" anymore, that's what we used to call them because we were used to big ass monitors that were fat, and so the new monitors we all have today were called flatscreens back then to distinguish them from the "normal" monitors. But I remember everybody thinking that flatscreens were better than CRTs back then which is why we all phased out CRTs and moved on. So it's funny to see zoomers wanting to back to the past and relive history now.Lol.
>>720150886>>720177419atrocious bait
>>720180358Actually CRTs were mostly phased out because they were difficult to mass produce and couldn't be scaled down to mobile devices. But yes while the tech had some upsides like low latency and nice blacks, they were shit in every other way. Distorted image, dim, heavy, annoying buzz, extremely ugly, mediocre colour reproduction, low resolution and the list goes on.Early LCDs were pretty shit too and it a while before they got as good as they are now. CRTs had the problem of being technological dead end and there was little that could be done to dramatically improve them.
>>720177419>everyone is banned from playing retro games if they don't literally kill themselvesSo this basically means that retro games are now banned universally unless you already have a well-functioning CRT? Is that what you're saying? Because eventually yours will die too.
>>720180358and by everybody you mean the average female who didn't use them for video games. it was very obvious in those days that flat panels had much lower visual quality, they're nothing like modern ones. also in those days, "flat screen" was used to market certain types of CRTs that had a flat, rather than curved, screen surface, so the LCDs were called flat "panels" referring to its form factor rather than the screen itself, while "LCD" was known at the time for primitive displays like Game & Watch so they didn't use that to market the monitors.size and weight aside, LCDs didn't really become more popular for power gamers until widescreen formats became widely available, which at the time was a means of cheating/exploiting engines that simply added more FOV if you had a widescreen monitor. since widescreen CRTs never made it to a mass market, upgrading to a widescreen flat panel became a quasi-necessity for competitive gaming.
>>720159559You're right that most CRT filters completely miss the glow and shine a real CRT has and as such don't really look right. I guess that's why some of the fancy filters use HDR, though realistically speaking that's not going to be visible through a screenshot. That "bad video signal" simulator you posted doesn't really look like a CRT either though, I mean a CRT with a good quality signal doesn't look like that but the thing is that CRTs hide image flaws to some degree so they really don't look that horrendous even with a bad signal.
>>720159559Yeah, just adding fake lines that darkened the whole thing doesn't make it look like a crt. They need to adjust the brightness and more.
>>720151057TV borders are the dumbest fucking shit imaginable
>>720157681It's addicting. I made a bait thread forever ago about ball mice, it got like 100 replies.
>>720174987lol whatYou were running 640x480 in 2005? I kind of doubt it. That was extremely outdated for 2005. I'm quite sure in 2005 I had already moved to a 1280x1024 LCD monitor. Most people were either still holding on to their CRTs or were using a then-new LCD monitor like that. I was in high school back then, not even the shitty monitors in the computer lab were 640x480.
>>720159559Agreed anon. This looks more like a CRT than most "CRT filters".My only complaint about the ntsc type filters is that they almost look more like a tape recording of the game than fresh output. Probably because they're based on recordings or captures.
>>720159559Basically this, we never realized how distorted and fuzzy CRTs actually looked until much later in retrospect - because they didn't actually look like that. You sat far enough away from the TV that all those whatever lines just blurred up into each other and the screens were plenty bright enough for anyone. Actually they were way brighter than the early flat screens - TVs are designed so you can easily watch them in bright daylight from like 10-15 feet away. Monitors only have to be bright enough to be fine from like 3 feet away. Also because we had for years already moved into 3d gaming by the time flat screens were common, the differences in how sprites looked on native hardware vs digital emulation on LED were not really noticed by many. Even today you could get a crt and play original hardware on it but honestly you add not really gonna notice the CRT "look" to it unless you are sitting like 10 inches away from the screen which you definitely aren't supposed to and still aren't due to eye strain.
I miss the old 28" Zenith my dad got from Fry's. That was beautiful.
>>720183337this guy gets it.One side benefit of CRT being fuzzy (I definitely wouldn't use the word blurry) is that it is the absolute king of maintaining image quality across multiple resolutions, especially upscaling a lower resolution image into a large screeneven average CRT monitors actually looks much, much sharper than software/integer/nearest scaling on a LCD screen (doesn't matter the panel type) when you project a 800x600 image onto a 19" monitor
>>720183729>much, much sharper than software/integer/nearest scalingNo. Nearest neighbor / integer scaling are completely razor sharp with no blur whatsoever. Displaying those on a fixed-pixel display is as sharp as it gets, no CRT is sharper than that. Of course, old games weren't meant to be blown up 7x and then display on a perfectly razor sharp screen, so they don't really look their best, but it IS as sharp as it gets with no blur whatsoever.
>>720177419Imagine not having a crt with an hdmi port like a peasant.
>>720182832 Based thread honestly. Whenever I get bored I’ll just drop some bait like “the DualShock was a mistake” or “SNES mode 7 was wasted potential” and go do laundry. Come back to 70 replies of pure hate and autistic technical breakdowns. It’s beautiful.
>>720157681>now
>Bilinear filtering>no ugly fake scanlines>no blocky pixels>nobody ever talks about it in these threadswhy is that?
>>720150886I personally know people who always put on these smear filters when playing old games... Your brain has to be absolutely disgusting if you prefer them
>>720185376Mathematically, you are correct.In practice? you need to internally render at x4 resolution then downscale with nearest neighbour (which is basically antialiasing) to match CRT, and this is only available to functionally defined environments (polygonal rendering as opposed to sprite upscaling).A literal case of "LOOK WHAT THEY NEED TO MIMIC A FRACTION OF OUR POWER"
>>720161362That image was made to be displayed on a Genesis/MegaDrive. You can tell the CRT shader is a general one and not specialized for the console. Check the glow on the knob on the ray gun, the black vertical lines would be invisible on real hardware because of how the console handled interlacing.
>>720172369based duck enjoyer
>>720174938>>720175153lol'd
>>720151057what scanline autists don't understand is that their screens can't even replicate the original CRT black anyway. You will never have the contrast the "intended way" was supposed to have.
>>720151157filter name?
>>720189912Low IQ post. That depends on your physical display. OLED will have perfect black levels. I swear the vast majority of the users here are mentally disabled, incapable of reasoning and critical thinking. I see hundreds of people like you on this site every day, making retarded, logically flawed posts while being smug about it.
Anybody have any good shaderglass presets?
>>720150886Left: SOVLRight: SOVLLESS
it's gaming time
>>720177419RGB Scart was always master race
>>720151157its made by computer so it's still AI, retard
>>720194779actually retarded take
>>720196668>noooo ai is only when I multiply these matrices, okay!
>>720177419N64 games look way uglier than I remembered in a crt, you're making already blurry I games thanks to it's awful anti aliasing even blurrier
>>720194779lmao based retard
>>720198217
>>720156551based and jumping flash pilled
>>720192218>has an OLED>calls others retardedodd
>>720194779TruthNuke
>>720198409Especially Majora's Mask
