>Frontiers, despite everything going against it, ended up being pretty fun. The free updates made the game a lot more enjoyable top>Shadow Gens was spectacular from beginning to end and featured some of the best level design we've seen in a boost game>Crossworlds looks and plays fantastic, lot of good shit going on thereI-I dunno guys. 3 times in a row Sonic Team has put out a good game? When's the last time this shit happened? Were they replaced by another secret team at Sega? Where did all this confidence come from...
>>720156526>Frontiers, despite everything going against it, ended up being pretty fun. The free updates made the game a lot more enjoyable topWrong. >Shadow Gens was spectacular from beginning to end and featured some of the best level design we've seen in a boost gameWrong. >Crossworlds looks and plays fantastic, lot of good shit going on thereAnnnnnd wrong. Cinos cope thread? Cinos cope thread.
>inb4 all the maniafags STILL butthurt Whitehead chose to do his own IP instead of a Mania 2 come in and yell about how Frontiers was actually shit and blah blah blah Mania was the direction they should've went in and blah blah blahSuperstars outsold Mania 2:1. Get over it
>>720156526frontiers was mid and crossworlds is just a worse mario kart but for $90
>>720156653Nobody cares about Mario Kart anymore
>>720156734>Nintendo fans honest to God mad their shitty $80 launch title is already dead Kek
>>720157165mario kart gives you all the content for $80 while crossworlds makes you pay fucking $90stop the shilling nigga
>>720156526Unleashed looks so good visually
>>720156526>Shadow Gens was spectacular from beginning to endEhhh. It had some great set pieces, and some nice story moments, but it's still just boostshit. Play a level once, and you've played it a million times. The sub-stages are even more obvious in this regard, and mostly 2D too, which people conveniently forget while they're glazing this game. They're also Forces-tier short, a lot of the time.>and featured some of the best level design we've seen in a boost gameThat's not a high bar, first of all, secondly, the level design is still mostly the same hallway slop we've been getting since Forces and Frontiers' Cyber Space stages. There are moments where the levels open up, but they're far too brief. I also didn't care for the Doom power gimmick very much. It just doesn't feel very Sonic-like. I would've preferred more Chaos based powers, since that's more in line with Shadow's character. Daddy Doom powers just seem like edgy Wisps.I honestly had more fun fucking around the white world than I did with the actual stages, and that should tell you something. Assuming you're not an overly emotional autist who cooms over the game purely because of Shadow, which I suspect is the majority of the people who blow their knees out sucking off Shadow Gens. I get it, it's pure fanservice like Generations was, and SA2: Battle was your first Sonic game, but you can be at least a little critical of it, I think.>>720157661Still the best looking 3D Sonic and it isn't even close. Sad, innit?
Isn't Sonic Racing CrossWorlds a Sumo Digital game?
>>720157893What? It's a kart racing game, not a sumo game. You're fucked up on too much Big the Cat porn.
>>720157416>All the contentYeah all that rich wonderful open world con-PFFFTTTT Cmon dude
>>720157893Nope, ST must not have liked how much they fucked up Team Sonic Racing cause they took over the development helms for this one
>>720158020Holy fuck this nigga is actually retarded
From my understanding, the Sonic movie and Frontiers restored faith in the IP internally
>>720156526the passion of kishimoto and the new sega ceo
I'm glad they got their confidence back with a bigger budget allowing them to put out some quality shit, but the real test will be Frontiers 2.If they mess up that game, all the goodwill they've built up will be shattered. If they do good with that one, I'll trust Sonic Team again fully.Also more Sage
Frontiers I will disagree with. Its an interesting tech demo, but it did not come together as a cohesive game. Shadow Generations was great and will give you that. Crossworlds has a lot of potential but the price is a bit high for what it is and I am worried about the player base dropping off a cliff. I did like what I played with the demo. Also Sonic Superstars was trash. I know it was developed by Arzest who has a shit track record, but still.
>>720158056I got ip banned while writing a response to this so instead of responding I will tell you to go fuck yourself for no reason.
>>720158960A post like that and you wonder why you got up banned huh
>>720157416all the content for $80 first of all the free roam is emty as shit and secondly who says they aren't doing a paid dlc down the line? MK8 had it
Sonic Team has been doing well lately and if you disagree you're just a hater wanting them to fail What losers
Forces was, good, actually
>>720160437Why bait
>>720156723>Superstars outsold Mania 2:1. Get over itI don't believe that for a second.
>>720156526>The free updates made the game a lot more enjoyable topFinal Horizon at launch was fucking insufferable. I don't know what the fuck was Sonic Team smoking when they put that out of the door.
>>720156526>Were they replaced by another secret team at Sega?Frontiers was just as mediocre and flawed as Kishimoto's other games.Shadow Gens was directed by one of the main designers who worked on Generations (funnily, another game not directed by Kishimoto).Crossworlds is largely being done by Initial D devs, iirc. Sonic Team is just supervising and providing assets, like with pretty much every game they don't directly work on.The next Sonic game will be directed by Kishimoto again, so there's no reason to expect it to be anything more than fundamentally flawed in several areas it shouldn't be. Again.That's just the nature of this IP. The quality Jap devs move on to work on more Japanese-relevant franchises, while the mediocre/good enough devs stick around on Sonic. Thus, a never-ending roller coaster of quality.
>>720163987Straight form Sega Sammy Superstars did 2.4 millMania's last sales report was back in 2018 at around 1 millAlso Frontiers has done pretty good, 4.7 mill salesIt cracks me up how everyone on /v/ swore up and down Superstars would flop acting like they know marketing
>>720164079I like how Sonic Team broke the deceleration slider for non-Sonic characters when that dlc released, and then just decided to never fix it for whatever reason, even in following updates.
>>720164738>Mania's last sales report was back in 2018 at around 1 millSo we're just going to assume that Mania is still sitting at 1 million seven years later? That's sounds a little silly to me.
>>720164917Sonic games don't generally have legs anon. Arguably Frontiers is the first time a Sonic game has continued to generate lots of revenue beyond it's launch window.Unless you want to somehow cope that Mania actually sold over 3 or 4 mil or even higher and Sega decided to not put out any reports over that kek.
>>720164917>Xhe thinks Mania magically sold a higher number than it did because of "muh pixels!!!"BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAMANIA FAGS LOST THE MOST, GOOD TO SEE THAT SHITTY ROMHACK GET WHAT IT DESERVES
>>720158164
>>720165074People who bitch about idw/movies/frontiers are out of touch. They don’t realize that these ARE the future of Sonic. This is what sells and what kids wantAdventurefags don’t buy games or movie tickets like the kids do
Sonic Adventure's original lighting was really ambitious and dynamic, it's a shame they had to downgrade it before launch
>>720165074I think the fact that they ended up bundling other Sonic games with Mania proves, that yes, it did have legs. At least enough to justify using to help boost the numbers of other games, including TSR, which released two years after Mania.>>720165385I think Mania sold a higher number because TSR apparently still managed to sell 3 million, and literally nobody talked or gave a shit about about TSR before or after release. But again, these numbers were probably boosted by the previously mentioned bundle.
>>720165641So is there just a bot that copy-pastes posts from /sthg/ into these threads, or do those autists really think they don't blatantly stick out whenever they post here.
I think the next sonic will be pretty good if they learnt the right lessons from frontiers. Of course there's always going to be some autists saying its shit for not playing 1:1 like the genesis games or adventure
IDW sold more than Archie ever did but I have no idea what recent numbers are.
>>720165714>BundlingWhat the fuck kind of cope is this anon? Come the fuck on now my God you guys are embarrassingMania was a good game. Doesn't mean it sold 10 million At the end of the day Sonic is a children's franchise and guess what? They don't give a shit about your pixel "references, I clapped!!!" Game. That's why TSR sold 3 mill, why Frontiers sold almost 5 mill, and why Superstars sold over 2 mill. That's what appeals to kids.There's no giant mystery or conspiracy or anything. Kids don't care about Mania. Simple as.
>>720165981>Boom had an amazing opening sales Wtf
>>720156526Frontiers was alright. It was pretty good for bringing back those badass edgy shonen vibes from the early 2000s era of Sonic, and lore dumps that the series needed; continuing the seriousness is key for Sonic. The music was amazing as always and the gameplay was mid but still good. Shadow Gens was pure kino, and it is the best Sonic game that has ever released. They need to continue down that path but on a greater scale. Crossworlds is also kino. So yeah I think Sonic Team are getting their shit together.
>>720166780>Shadow Gens was pure kino, and it is the best Sonic game that has ever released. They need to continue down that path but on a greater scale.Beem dreaming for Shadow of the lost kingdom. Shadow in Atlantis since Sonic no likely swim where as Shadow could get around with his shoes and Black Doom can possess giant fucked up fish.
They just need to make an Amy Rose game to get everybody back on board. I can see Amy's game stealing all of the non-hyper Mario loyalists from Nintendo.
what if tails was a boy?
>>720167369>Anyone that isn't a S-tier hedgehog leading a game anymore.Lol.
>We have people shilling for Frontiers and Superstars on this board
>>720156526Shitnic thread with copium to boot. Amazing.
>>720167462Frontiers is alright, perfectly acceptable $20 game.
>>720167462>SHITdom SHARTsIn a worse state than Sonic. The series hasn't had a good game since 2006.
>>720156526Its almost certainly cause of the movies. Varying quality aside they were a success financially and now SEGA cant just pretend that no one cares about Sonic anymore and now they along with Sonic Team need to keep up the pressure with Sonic being a hallmark franchise and cant afford anymore quality drops.
>>720167462I have no idea why would people shill superstars as a game, is like if people were shilling sonic laberinth
>>720167447...But enough about why Silver will never have a game.
>>720167447She is the second hedgehog to exist. She deserve it more than SHITdow and SHARTver
>>720167701Jeff Fowler saved sonic and it's undeniable. Imagine how good he must feel right now
>>720164917well, only one million people care about classic sonic so that's not illogical to say.
>>720167937No he didn't, the first sonic movie wasn't good and if it stuck with the original design then it would have flopped. The casuals saved sonic. Timmy and Aunt Judy who looked at his human teeth and said eww on facebook helped sonic stop being a laughing stock.
I just want more Shadow Gens. Take that gameplay, take Shadow, and just make more stages
>>720156526From those three, Frontiers FOR ME is painfully boring... Have it on PS5 and after the second island I've lost all interest, until crossworlds betas (closed and open), now I have to finish Frontiers in order to catch up with Sage's lore (Not checking a Wiki 'cos Ive spend money already so fuck it)
>>720168576Gotta beat the Final Horizon story if you want her to live.
>>720168713Isn't that the free DLC where you can play as Amy and the others?
>>720168264First movie was fine and the design was fixed by Hesse. Jeff is a good director explicitly because he listened to feedback and fixed that shit ASAP, and turned it around into an advertising opportunity.
>>720168835Yes, it's also Getting Over It level bullshit on normal difficulty. They nerfed easy mode in a patch but I dropped it to easy pre-patch for the pen-ultimate challenge because it was untested bullshit and it still took me 4 hours. Probably a joke on easy post patch.
>>720169040The only truly difficult part is the boss rush which sucks because they were clearly spectacle fights and not meant to be taken that seriously
>>720169040Yeah they patched it after everyone complained about the difficulty
>>720169204Wyevrn in particular had no fucking business being in a ring limited challenge like that.
>sales talk
>>720169275"Perfect Parry" almost made me quit the DLC...
>>720156526The only one of these thats any decent is shadow gens, and its because it spends most its runtime reminding you of the better games.Hopefully the success of the movies lit a fire under their asses.
>>720170372For me it was not carrying any rings over when you change bosses AND the stupid ring counter going down during the long QTEsWhat were they thinking man
Frontiers is alright but it's not good. Most of the cyberspace stages are copy pasted from other games so it can't give them credit for a majority of them sine they're just taking better stages from other games and shoving them in. Final horizon is actually awful for the most part, like it's cool to use knuckles and tails again after so long but man this shit was boring. I can't even say cyberspace was better in final horizon because they rely on you knowing you can spindash which nothing in the game ever tells you you can do, and even if you figure out it works in the over world there's no reason to assume it does in cs since no other skills do. Atleast frontiers made sonic actually cool again in the boss fights, while I didn't hate the writing in colors as much as other people do sonic hasn't been cool since unleashed, sucks Ian's dialog fucks that up even more than pontiff did but he doesn't talk during the bosses so I guess that's a plus sorta. Still this is the only sonic game I played where at some point I just wanted it to hurry up and end, and the open world fucking sucked despite that being the main advertising point of the game.
>>720156723>we want Sonic Mania 2Play Sonic Before the SequelPlay Sonic After the SequelPlay Sonic Time TwistedPlay Sonic and The Fallen StarPlay Sonic Robo Blast 2Play Sonic Robo Blast 2 modsPlay Sonic Mania modsclassic Sonic content is plentiful, also no one is against the idea of a new 2D sprite based Sonic game, but it shouldn't have reused levels, and it doesn't need to have the word mania in the title
>>720171242You didn't play FrontiersJust stop embarrassing yourself
>frontiers
>>720156526>Crossworlds looks and playsLike absolute shit. It's better than Mario Kart World but that's fucking pitiful bar, and frankly MKW actually beats it out in terms of OST.
>>720156723>Superstars outsold Mania 2:1Source?
>>720172420Already posted in the thread and learn to use Google
>>720172550There's no sales report on Mania aside from that one saying it sold 1 million months after it was released, I highly doubt it sold worse than Superstars by now.
>>720156526It feels like we're finally on the right track.
randomfox vorefaggot thread
>>720170746>miss the first parry on the second boss>run is over
Still weird to think the next big Sonic game backed by the main team is a racer. When's that happened before? Riders and the others never got this much attention or budget.
>>720172648It's really sad to see how Maniafags are desperately trying to cope even after Sega Sammy's own fiscal reports leaked They really treat the romhack like it's the nexus of Sonic games
>>720172850Yeah it's pretty weird. Maybe they got spooked by the reception to TSR and didn't want to hire Sumo Digital again?I like it, Sonic Team should make more spin offs
>>720172928You know being a contrarian doesn't make you cool right?
>>720172928So, I take it you don't have a source showing the lifetime sales.
>>720164738At least one of the older financial reports has 4.4 million sales in the Sonic series that fiscal yearNo number breakdown per title, Mania is listed above Generations but below Team Sonic Racing and Tokyo 2020 Olympics)is there any smart way to calc off of that?
>>720156526They censored Rouge's cleavage and back. Not gonna support Sega and Ian Flynn.
>>720156526Fangames are still kicking Sonic Team's ass.
>>720173068Been posted as stated multiple times but you don't want to listen so oh wellGo on imagining that Mania sold 9 or 10 million or some dumb shit kek
>>720173181I'm not imagining it sold 10 million copies, but if fucking Team Sonic Racing, a game no one ever gave a shit about and the online died in less than a month, managed to sell 3 million, then obviously a game that was critically acclaimed and Sega milked for an entire subsequent year probably sold more than that.
>>7201731174.4We know TSR sold 3 mill And Olympics sold...actually I can't find a concrete figure. I see a lot of 900ks being thrown around so take that with a bag of salt That leaves 500k to split between Mania and Generations. I honestly don't even know why Gens was still selling that much in 2021. And it's a bit weird how there's no Colors Ultimate sales included in that report either
>>720172928Was Mania's sales listed in the leaks? Yes or no?
>>720173367Oh that's so cute, you're going off your own imaginary expectations for sales. That's why you're so upset!Kek, if Frontiers sold 4.5 mill and was a mediocre game, then obviously Shadow Gens, a game that was critically acclaimed and was milked by Sega and came out next to the wildly popular movie Sonic 3, would sell more than tha-https://www.gematsu.com/2025/01/sonic-x-shadow-generations-sales-top-two-million>2 mill salesOOPSIE
>>720156526It's pretty incredible that at the start of the decade Sonic was coming off Forces and ugly sonic in the movie trailer. Somehow he got three great movies and a bunch of solid games to the point where there's a lot of anticipation for a Frontiers followup. When I play Frontiers I can tell Sonic Team doesn't have a huge budget, or skills, or talent, but they do have heart. I honestly love that game. And thank god for Iizuka getting them the extra time they needed.
>>720173446No, Mania's sales were not leaked in the Sega Sammy fiscal report of 2025 Not sure why you'd expect it to be, does it go against the "MANIA SOLD MILLIONS BECAUSE....IT WAS A GAME I LIKED" narrative? Kek
>there are faggots in this thread engaging with discussion with some retard who calls Mania a romhack instead of dismissing it as the obvious rage bait it is
>>720173157Lol.Lmao even.
>>720173765It's true tough. Fangames still undestood the core gameplay of sonic better than Sonic Team, no matter the version of sonic.
>there are retards in this thread who thinks the official Sega Sammy fiscal report MUST be lying because there's no way Superstars sold more than Mania because..........well because they just say so!Scary to think these anons are supposedly over 18
>>720171793I beat it like last week. Hell I forgot to add on how shit the final boss is.
>>720173836>>720173157Oh word? Are they? Please show me how they affected Sonic's sales. I'll wait.
>>720173983>SalesWhere did I mention sales, faggot?
>>720173836Proof?
Your both retarded for arguing about this shit. Superstars and mania both suck, advanced 3 and rush are the only good 2d sonic games.
>>720174037If they are better, they should be causing fan backlash and used as primary examples by notable people as a means for the devs at Sega to use as feedback and played in support of the fan games' endeavors instead of buying mainline games. Did literally any of that happen, contrarian retard?
>>720156526The Sonic movie made them realize the series could actually be fairly profitable if they tried.
Maniafags crack me up>"SEGA BETRAYED THE MANIA TEAM AND FUCKED THEM OVER!??"Actually the Mania devs just wanted to make their own IP>"SEGA IS SO JEALOUS OF MANIA'S SUCCESS, THEY TRIED TO SABOTAGE IT DURING DEVELOPMENT!!!"Actually the Mania devs said head of ST Iizuka was extremely helpful in how Mania turned out and gave a lot of insightful advice to them>"SEGA IS SO DUMB! IF SUPERSTARS WAS PIXEL BASED IT WOULD SELL MILLIONS AND MILLIONS! INSTEAD IT'S GONNA FLOP!!!!"Well clearly not since it outsold Mania kekLike my God, they've become this generations Adventure 3 fags.
>>720174103>advanced 3
>>720174074https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKKIrAkn2wM>>720174103Nah Mania is cool, but advance 2/3 would be the best iteration of a 2D sonic by Sega if not for the GBA screen size.
>>720156526I don't know, but I'm enjoying it. I actually skipped Shadow Generations, but I did really like Frontiers and I think Crossworlds was stupidly fun. I have always generally had fun with the 3D games. I'll get Shadow Generations when it's on sale.
>>720174480You could always emulate Shadow Gens on yuzu
How well did Shadow Generations sell anyway?
>>720174609Little over 2 mill last we heard back in JanNot bad for a remaster, the movie definitely boosted sales for it
>>720174327Not the screen size cope again...
>>720174760I played the decomp with wide screen, I know what I'm talking about, you on the other hand want to compare the GBA small screen with a CRT TV.>But the resolutionIt's not the same dude, PLAY it.
Sonic Advance and Sonic Rush really should just get official widescreen ports.
>>720165074Outdated information>>720164738>>720173117Needs the Sega leaked information.
>>720175164So Persona is the money maker
>>720170208And this board swears it doesn't fall for propaganda.
>>720173843It didn't and it's obvious it didn't. Sonic Mania was on the top downloaded games list of every major platform the week it released. Sega has not released the digital numbers, only physical. Fucking duh the physical version didn't outsell Superstars' physical release. You're a genuine grade A retard.
>>720174887>Genesis output is 320 pixels wide>GBA output is 240 pixels wide>Sonic's regular run is 6 pixels/frame on Genesis>Sonic's regular run is 4 and a half pixels/frame on GBAYou are not missing shit
>>720172370>MKW actually beats it out in terms of OST.MKW beats out most OSTs, let's be fair. You'd think Sega would have Mitsuyoshi, the SST, Yuzo and Richard Jacques on this since it's not just Sonic but a bunch Sega characters.
>720175348Horrendous bait
>>720174327Ok that fight was actually pretty cool.That could also be an answer to bosses in 2D which have always been lackluster.
>>720175383Wasn't the GBA supposed to be more powerful than the SNES & Genesis >>720175505
>>720170676I don't think 06 and Forces levels would remind people of good games anon.
>>720170208>>720175328Fucking THIS. So tired of literal goytoy consoomers thinking muh sales data matters, like faggot is the game GOOD? What aspects of it work etc. Yeah a clearly terrible game no doubt sells bad but it's such a poor metric to use and cling to like so many dumb fags on /v/ insist
>>720172370some of the remixes for crossworlds are actually painful which is fucking wild to be said about a sonic game, figures the music started going to shit after letting literal who twitter nepo hires do music
>>720176029Parts of it are objectively more powerful that either of them, white others are straight inferior to both.The GBA's screen is always going to be 240x160, but it's faster cpu clock lets it run more code. I think it's capable of everything the Super-FX chip was, but I'm not certain.
>>720157416>>720156734THE GAME IS NOT 90 FUCKING DOLLARS YOU RETARDS, ITS 70 NOBODY’S TELLING YOU TO BUY THE STUPID DLC, THIS IS LIKE CALLING MKW A 500 GAMETHIS IS BLATANT AGENDA POSTING AND LIES
>>720157416I paid $50 though
>>720156526>3 times in a row Sonic Team has put out a good game?>Sonic 2, 3, &K>Sonic Advance 1, 2, 3>Colors, Generations, All Star Racing TransformedDon't worry, they'll find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. It's the actual sonic cycle. They get a few right, they learn the wrong lesson, they get a bunch wrong chasing that lesson until they try something completely new and it works out. That said, as much as they mess up, at least they try. Even the bad Sonic games have soul in that. You can tell they're being made by people that care, said people are just really incompetent.
>>720178597>Trying to pretend 3 and K are separate games>Advance 3 being considered anything but shit, also not Sonic Team they were made by Dimps>Once again All Star Racing Transformed was made by Sumo Digital, not Sonic TeamTry again
>>720178708So what's your point? That Sonic Team has never done three-in-a-row good games?
>>720156526>My squeaky gaming chair
>>720158312>>720158323These.
>>720178785My point is you made a misinformed post and I fixed it
>>720175328nobody is immune to propaganda regardless of the situation
>>720177143It really shows that this board DOESN'T play video games
>>720173621>but they do have heart. I honestly love that game. And thank god for Iizuka getting them the extra time they needed.It's an asset flip fest that literally needs you to figure out if it actually plays sort of well. It took five years to make. We did not play the same game.
frontiers 2....just one peek of it...
>>720157893SEGA's arcade racer team is making it with some help of Sonic Team.
woah now, sonic frontiers is barely a passing product. the thing is unoptimized as fuck and held together with duct tape and glue.the mediocre, and quite honestly uninspired, cyberspace levels are pretty bad. the coat of paint on the level assets really does not excuse it from rehashing levels in the lamest way possibleWhy would I ever play sky rail or city escape in frontiers when I have sa2 on my pc (with mods, imagine that)? It just doesnt feel the way it should with sonic's physics here.its bad enough we know an entire island got cut so they just slammed in 5 shitty towers, but lets really talk about the open zone stuff. There is no excuse for slamming invisible walls everywhere, regardless if you loved the sections or not.and half the time you practically get tricked into one anyway with some kind of troll spring or a dash pad. They feel like a glorified tutorial with just one way to do something: there is no player expression when doing a homing attack to a pulley handle.and what is your mix up to this so things stay interesting? dogshit combat. if you have ever played a decent beat em up, I should not have to explain why this combat just doesnt make the cut. its been so long for me, but I would probably ratherplay the warehog than sonic frontiers combat, idk. I have played dmc and bayonetta, there just is no going back to the simple shovelware combat. Some of that stuff in frontiers barely felt animated, mind you. and the cutscenes where two characters yap while standing still just isnt good enough bro. Trim the fat or animate it. its current year man, this franchise is ~30 years old, I have seen sonic games before this one do better.we got a game that lasts more than 2 fucking hours like forces did, whoopdey-fucking-doo. we should demand a little more and not learn to accept that as the "standard". A sonic game should be very very replayable (because its fun). I have not touched frontiers since I got the new ending.
>>720165074Did Generations do so poorly that it failed to even rank?
>>720180892>SEGA's arcade racer teamThat sounds promising
Dont forget Sonic Superstars its actually solid just not near the level of Mania and CD but still a good entry
>>720180868Next year fren
>>720181275You didn't play the game I dunno why you're like this>>720181286No they just forgot itIt side around 2.7m iirc
>SALESALESALESALESALESstop talking like Tendies.
>>720183368Blame Mania fags
