>No way to reduce damage>Can double your health at most>Every enemy is a potential death because of the above>Trying to rush past enemies works for grounded enemies, anything flying will hunt you across the area>Benches are sparse and the walkbacks are bullshit on both gamesHollow Knight is not a souls-like, it's a metroidvania, and as a metroidvania it's complete fucking dogshit.Progressing in HK actively penalizes you because you get new areas and more places to go without any of the upgrades that make travelling easier, the endgame in a Metroid or Igavania game has you jumping around the map getting collectables and improving, on Hollow Knight it's a miserable trek rough places that have and will still kill you.>JUST GIT GUTKill yourself
You are not entitled to beat a video game.
Feels good not boughteding it
>>720173441Just play the new shinobi if you want an easier game
skill issue
>>720173441i like the art but metroidvanias are kind of gay and riddled with backtracking and lazy level design. this is on gamepass but i don't even feel like downloading it. i got halfway through the first one before i was just too bored with it
>>720174116Yes, yes I think I will.
All the vtubers that are streaming it are doing fine.
>>720173441All of those things are good. Get filtered bozo. LMAO! It must suck to be bad at games
Definitely both a soulslike and a metroidvania
okay i dropped hollow knight cuz it was boring, but this whole controversy makes me kinda want to play this
>>720173441kill yourself Johann
>>720173441
>>720173870First post best post.
>>720173441>doesn't restart the whole game after dyingyou are being babied sorry
>>720173870A man well versed in the exquisite art of the trvth nvke.
>>720173441swallow knight shitsong
>>720174008You don't buy anything anyway.
>>720173441I didn't thought this game could suck so much but it do
>>720176607Its actually you that sucks and not the game
>>720173441>have to run backYes, it's tedious design and a valid complaint.>Can't cheese anything with some OP item/spellThat's definitely not true.
>>720176672that's an interesting game theory
>redditors are turning on the gameGood riddance
>>720175097i'm a key cog in the economy
>>720176892god imagine waiting this long for a game just for it to be ball busting cock torture
If you find Silksong a challenging game, then you may need to reconsider your approach to playing videogames, or stick to games like Roblox or Fortnite.
>>720173441>>No way to reduce damageAwesome, game seems to be properly designed then.>>Can double your health at mostNevermind, that's reducing your damage taken by 50%. Weak.
>>720173441Eh, you're not wrong. It's a design choice, there's no laws against them choosing to do that, but it makes the latter half of the game very tiresome. I can only speak to the original Hollow Knight rather than Silksong, but it made the game a real slog. I ended up dropping the game right before the end, I broke the three seals, and before fighting the titular Hollow Knight, the game wanted me to go around collecting all the Essence across the map to get the better endings, and I didn't.. want to.
Honestly reminds me more of Ninja Gaiden on NES than any Metroid game I beat. Hornet clings to walls and throws ninja stars. I'm not sure exploration and this kind of difficulty work together. It feels more like a gauntlet than a collectathon or Igavania.
>>720173870OP completely and utterly BTFO with 9 simple words.
The fight with the clockwork twins was pretty cool.
>>720173441>t. seething shitterjust accept you're dogshit and move on
>>720174321kek thisOP is worse than vtrannies
>>720176892How normal is this? From my experience back in the day when you couldn't beat a game you either quit or get a friend to finish it for you, but nobody ever cried about it, as a matter of fact when I was a kid I couldn't finish any megaman game, I still loved to play them.
>>720179893When the devs started caving in and patching shit to be easier.
>>720173441>double your health at mostMost boss walkbacks are kind of shit though. I get that's part of the design to force you to learn how to deal with enemies more effectively. But even so, it just wastes time.
What really has me confused about the public response to silksong is that this is a hollowknight sequel. Did people not play this game, I didn’t find it an easy game the first time through. I remember specifically the watcher knight and greenlath mantis fights taking so many tries, I remember losing large amounts of money a couple of times. The overall sense that I was lost and unsafe was pervasive and I thought that was neat about it. I eventually beat it all, and have played through it a couple more times having a much easier time with it. I never beat the boss rush dlc or did a deathless run but had the impression that this game was made with options for people that liked to get really good at it and punish themselves.Who the fuck are these people upset that silksong has difficulty? I haven’t run into anything harder than the first game yet. Have these autistics played through hollowknight so many times in anticipation that they have every inch of the game memorized and expect the same of something they havent played yet? STFU and get good.
>>720180673A lot of people playing Silksong are bandwagoners who only cared about the meme of a highly anticipated game.
>>720173441>Hollow Knight it's a miserable trek rough places that have and will still kill you.This is why Hollow Knight still remains good and engaging all the way to the end.That being said>no way to reduce damageYou gain the ability to dash through enemies like, 40-50% of the way through HK1. Silksong's default dash jump is already enough to avoid everyone.
>>720180673>Who the fuck are these people upset that silksong has difficulty? I haven’t run into anything harder than the first game yet.I think there are a lot of people who didn't finish Hollow Knight, and have mind-wiped themselves into thinking they are better than they really are. So a game that is the same difficulty (as far as I can tell so far) suddenly seems vastly more difficult. It's really just the exposition of casuals. They're casting themselves on their own swords of stupidity. Hate to be elitist, but most people are stupid, snd stupid people are loud and overconfident.
>>720180890>engaging>Just go through all the areas again hunting hidden shit bro>But every enemy can still kill you so you better stop and fightAlso I can't shadow dash through spikes, the longer you play the more tedious it is, especially because without a fucking guide you have no idea where to go for the rest of the endings
>>720180673>>720180945Silksong is objectively harder than Hollow Knight, and you're delusional if you think otherwise.
>>720180945You really can almost face tank a significant portion of Hollow Knight with different charm setups, while this is not possible in Silksong, you have to get good at dodging to not die. I'm on act 3 in Silksong btw.
>>720173441I just assume a lot of people fell for journo induced fomo of the game that "broke steam" and are now wondering why they suck so hard at it.
>>720181197>But every enemy can still kill you so you better stop and fightNo you can just dodge them, especially since the cloak lets you phase through themSorry that you uhhhh wanted to not play the game I guess, but Hollow Knight still remains Hollow Knight from beginning to end while later Metroidvanias with cleanup just go from [Game] to [Walking Sim]
>>720173441>No way to reduce damageDont get hit.>Can double your health at most10 masks is plenty>Every enemy is a potential death because of the aboveMost enemies just walk back and forth witg predictable attacks. >Trying to rush past enemies works for grounded enemies, anything flying will hunt you across the areaSee above. Easy to avoid and fliers leave you alone if you go to a new room.>Benches are sparse and the walkbacks are bullshit on both gamesThat one i will give you.
I'm in the endgame. do I have to keep hearing those bone chilling screams every now and then forever?
>>720181553when is the last time a metroidvania or any difficult 2D platformer-like has been mainstream lolthey fell for the meme and realized this genre is niche for a reason. granted still loving the game
>>720173441Then just don't play it? You're not enjoying it after all so why bother>but I boughtShould've pirate. If you played the first, you'll know what the 2nd one is going to be. I never played the first so I pirated this one and I can say I don't see the appeal of the game.
>>720181618The shadow cloak is an optional upgrade, not everyone's going to get it at the same time or at allExpanding the world but not making the knight more resilient is just miserable, good metroidvanias give you powerups to make previous areas easier, that's the reward for beating a boss or reaching the end of an area, the crests and eggs and king idols are a waste of time, everytime you get up the bench it's a gamble hoping the next dead end gives something useful and every extra room adds more stakes to that
>>720181846Dread
>>720173441I could forgive all of that if you didn't take damage from simply touching the enemy.What kind of complete retard thought of that?Do they all have jeet-tier b.o. that rots your muscle with its mere presence or what?It's so fucking retarded and I died more times to just touching the enemy then by their attacks which are often easy to dodge.The only thing keeping this game alive is the hype and art. There are a billion better games out there, including the prequel.
>>720182024>The shadow cloak is an optional upgrade
>benches are sparsenigga they're everywhere, theres too many
>>720173441Those first three are valid, but that dumb nig nog tried to slip that last one in. Runbacks shouldn't be a thing, it's purely a tax on your time.
Is there even a fucking BENCH in Hunter's March?
>>720182320Left of the big vertical room. Go left and turn off the trap.
>>720182282Not enough in bilewater. fuck bilewater
>>720182236For the basic ending at least, I got it after killing the hollow knight the first time.>You just HAD to know to jump into the fuckhole at the end of the road to catch the white thingamajig and then go across the entire map for the other white thingamajig to combine it into the fuck-you-and-your-slots thingamajig and then go BACK and unlock the door to upgrade it into the free thingamajig so you could fight the same boss again but kill it with the dream needle and then fight the light and then NOT do that and then go to the junkyard cause you gotta kill he dreaming version of the secret boss and you need EIGHTEEN FUCKING HUNDRED ESSENCE for that so hope you like going back and forth on the map like a retard FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOUah my bad sorry
>>720182359Goddammit that vertical shitroom is the last place I died.
So why was she capturing half weavers? for lace?
>>720182427>ah my bad sorryThat's alright. As long as you recognize that it's your bad for speeding through the game and missing out on like half of it because you were too afraid to explore it in full and too retarded to pay attention to the dialogue. We all make mistakes sometimes, little bro, but you admitting fault is your first step to gittin' gud.
>>720182419I wouldn't be so upset, but there's also like 7 different fucking things that force you to go back there. Fuck that place.
>>720182282>singular trap in march>it's trappedIf I wasn't spoiled, I would've died to that shit and immediately uninstalled the game. I took me an hour thanks to the retarded map layout and all you're rewarded with is death? Fuck that.
>>720182619And you dont get maggot protection until you don't need it anymore
>you can just blitz sister splinter and instakill the ads with silk spear>look her up online>nonstop seethelol she was easier than fourth chorus. she kept getting stunned
>>720182868There's maggot protection?
>>720173870We're done here, please escort OP out.
>>720183006It's an equip that breaks after protecting you once then you have to go back to the bench
Personally I'm glad that instead of casualizing HK for the fanbase it got along the years, they went "fuck you here's some cock and ball torture". It feels more like a kaizo hack of HK than a sequel, and that's a good thing actually.
>>720182993Fuck off. Nobody anywhere ever complained about Sister Splinter. She's a small and incredibly easy boss that barely interrupts your journey and comes out of nowhere. Nobody could have possibly been tripped up by her.
>>720180673>watcher knightDoes 1 damage on hit>mantis lordsDo 1 damage on hit>practically every boss in silksongDoes 2 damage on hitYes, there are enemies in hollow knight that deal 2 damage but they are few and far between reserved for big enemies or explosions while it feels like practically every other enemy in silksong does 2. The game also doesn't start throwing 2 damage bosses at you until you have had time to get upgrades while in silksong I'm pretty sure you start running into 2 damage bosses immediately after the marrow. Benches are also more plentiful.
>>720173870but you are entitled to not have your time wasted with garbage padding.HK is a shit game and always has been.Play Ori WowPlay F.I.S.TEmulate Metroid DreadEmulate Prince of Persia the lost crownall much better games with much better art, animations and much more talented devs.
>>720183104I've seen a lot of complaints about her as well. There was a guy in one of these threads a few days ago having an hours long meltdown over fourth chorus of all things
>>720183543Anon, Lost Crown got released on Steam already
>>720183543>Orilol>F.I.S.T.LMAO now you're just baiting
>>720182993never played.but she has 'ads' so I already know shes a dogshit boss with bad design.
The witch crest could've been perfect if not for the silk regeneration being like the beast crest.
>>720183596denuvo slop and Uplay slop.emulate the malware free version.>>720183645what's the matter art and animations too smooth for you?can't play a game unless it's 10 fps flash art 1 step removed from stick figure drawings?
>>720183543>I dislike it so it's objectively badLiteral autism.
>>720183784padding is bad. it has no value it's not the content in the game you're trying to engage with.it's purpose is purely to waste your time and pad out the play time.
Just use cheat engine or something
>>720180673Hollow Knight's base game is significantly easier than Silksong's. Yes there's Godhome, Coliseum of Fools, Grimm Troupe, etc. but they're all optional stuff you only have to worry about at the end. Base game's hardest challenge on a first playthrough will probably be stuff like Watcher Knights, the Hornet fights, the Hollow/Knight/Radiance fights, etc., but even those shouldn't be too bad and a lot of them can be made easier by getting upgrades and exploring the map. I don't think I ever lost Geo in HK because runbacks were never that hard.Silksong's skill floor is just higher, and while it allows for a lot of freedom on how you can fight, it's something you need to gain muscle memory for and normalfags are going to have trouble with it.
>>720183565My only issue with Fourth Chorus is how wasted he is. Aside from Lace, he's THE boss everyone's been obsessed over in the trailers n' shit, but he gets used really early on. Same kinda goes for all the lava shit. Expected it to be the game's equivalent to Deepnest. Nope, it's like the second and third areas of the game.
Using cheats by accident i got all mask trophie. Only 0.1% players had it.
>>720183859what's this meaning to conveyyou're making life harder than it really is?
>>720183859That doesn't make the game good and criticism unwarranted tho.Just because a bunch of modders partially fixed DMC5 doesn't make the retarded game ruining decisions Itsuno made on DMC5 any less bad.
>>720184035You think you're imprisoned because you refuse to even acknowledge your other options.
>>720173870holy truth
>>720183859I used cheat engine for Hollow Knight and I STILL got weary at all the obnoxious spike puzzles and the sheer amount of time it takes to traverse the map.
>>720183940are you talking about that giant lava robot?that boss is insanely easy. the balance in this game is so inconsistent it's fucked.
>>720173870>uses cheat engineim entitled :^)
>>720183878I think a lot of it is the pacing of the upgrades. A lot of the things that you'd get earlier on in Hollow Knight are further and further out in Silksong. It takes just a bit longer for your first spell and the dash. It takes a while longer than HK to get the wall cling. It takes a LOT longer than HK to get the double jump. That being said, you're not hurting too much, you just gotta learn how to use Hornet's moveset in the meantime. It's like you said: skill floor is higher, so whereas you'd get a strong dash and double jump earlier on in HK, you instead are much more expected to do pogo-ing with Hornet, which is affected a lot by your crest.That being said, I'm still kinda with the other guy. It's a sequel, so most people should have already played and beaten the first game, getting them gamer skills along the way. Even without the upgrades anymore, you should have a base level of awareness and such that comes from beating the first, and besides it does play into Hornet herself being slightly weakened. In any case, personally I compare it to how baffling it was for people to complain about the intro to Fallout 2: you've all already played Fallout 1, the temple of trials is a complete non-issue.
>>720173441>greentexting outside of 4chanFantastic way to filter out a garbage opinion.
>>720181846HK sold 15 mil copies though
>>720173870It's just that simple.
>>720173441>This game is too hardYour gay
>>720184496more like untitled XD
>>720180102>it just wastes timevideo games are by definition a waste of time
>>720184978Might as well kill yourself
It seems that this game was made mainly to impress those highly autistic troons who exclusively played HK for 8 years.So it seems this is normal to be uncomfortable with it if you aren't one of those. Now if you weren't, that would have been more concerning.Also none of ESL browns screeching usual fromshit thought terminating cliches in response to any critique actually played this game, because they don't play video games in general due to being too busy with their brown things like the cUlTuRe wAr..
>>720173870If i paid for i get to beat it or else your game gets refundedSimple asI dont have to do jumping jacks to see the end of a movie i boughtWhy should i have to do extra shit just to see how your game ends.So long as gamers continue to be incel babies thinking that slapping their keyboards really fast makes them cool video games will always be seen as childrens toys for kids and not an adult hobby
>>720185413>the only reason to play a game is to get to the endChildish mentality
>>720173441it's cute that HK players think their game is hard.they think their good at Platformers.none of them could 100% Tiny Thornone of them could 100% Bzzztnone of them could 100% Corn Kidz 64they think they're good at Combat.none of them could 100% Ninja Gaiden.none of them could no damage every boss in DMC 3,4,5.none of them could no damage every boss in KH2.none of them could no damage every boss in other metroidvanias.They think they're good because they can 'not complain' about their time being wasted on padding that is simply tedious and not challenging in the slightest.eating shit is not a skill. It's so funny you think walking or grinding makes you skilled.
>>720173441>can't cheeseFalse.
>>720185725>muh no damageThat's just pure autism nobody is impressed by no damage runs.
>>720185725Can you logically explain why would anyone who isn't a transgender with a crippling case of low-functioning autism, or in the best case scenario a twitch clown, do any of that?
>>720185803yes they are. nobody is impressed by walking that's what they're not impressed by.
>>720173441Endgame Metroidvania is sequence breaking and beating the game with no upgrades or lv 1 or just basic weapons (basic punch), etc or no hit runs like OoE.
>>720185860because the bosses are so well designed they're made for skilled players to beat without taking damage.it's fun and it's shows you skill.HK trannies have healing on a face button. that tells you everything you need to know about them.
>>720185860You get medals in some games for these challenges.
Has anyone found the 4th pale oil? I'm in act 3
>>720176825Quiet tranny
just got stuck on the fly chef boss, he just flew off the arena and the fight just stoppedis it because I'm using poison on him?
>>720185725>in KH2Ah, so you're THAT tranny
Best thing you can do when something is garbage is to ignore it.
A question, how the fuck do I get into the rest of The Slab? Is it through the Apostate Door and if so where is the key?
>>720186014that's a known bug, it happened to me too
>>720185964>it's fun and it's shows you skillLmao.Repetition is only fun if you are born with autism. Autism is not a good thing, it's a mental deficiency that turns you into something less than a proper healthy human. Mentally healthy people finish a game and play a different one instead.Hopefully, in the future poor parents who were cursed with this will get the right to euthanize their autistic mutants before those turn into an another Chris-chan.
>>720176892>>720176892>>720173441>reddit hates game>/v/ complains about its difficulty >twitter fags cryingWELP, its settled, im getting the game next month.
>just hit Act 2>only been playing in spurts, but I think that's been a good way to go about itGot a feeling by the end of this a replay is gonna feel like a cinch.
>>720185725KH2fags are the Meleefags of Kingdom Hearts and their opinions can be safely discarded.
lol at the blade patterns being random after moorwing screams so it's entirely RNG whether or not the fight is clearable. based.
>>720176892>Die to boss>Man that guy is super powerfulThis isn't hard to grasp
>>720186229>Repetitionwho said anything about repetition? you learn each fight quickly, evolving your strategy.these are not hollow knight bosses. they can be interrupted, they have much more complex AI states and variables.repetition is grinding for rosaries, trecking back to get your shit, running the exact same B-line to the boss.hitting an enemy that just flies towards you 5 times.just cause silksong is repetitive doesn't mean other games are.
>>720180673>Who the fuck are these people upset that silksong has difficultyPeople are sick of the From Shit formula being shoved in every game now.>Hrrrrrrrrrr lookie how hard our game is!!!Every game now, it seems, has to have some goddamn unnecessary artificial difficulty and gatekeeping "dps checks" throughout. People are sick of it. Games are supposed to be fun and a form of escapism. Not every game has to be fucking Dark Souls. But that's not how modern shit devs see it. This is why Nintendo has exploded to being the most popular game company in the world. They get it, others don't. I'm not saying hard games shouldn't exist, it's fine to have a Lies of P or a Sekiro.. but not every goddamn that comes out needs to be like that
>>720186341KH2 is a good action game.the other games are not fit to be called action games and fall into the category of poorly designed RPG slop.
It annoys me that the currency are called "rosaries" and the actual rosaries are "rosary strings". Just call them "rosary beads".
>>720186546>Meleefag AND an actionfagWhat a winning combination. How does it feel that every Japanese game developer despises your existence and is working to ensure you don't fit in?
>>720173870Guards, this man is based.
>>720186559All three of the devs are Jews sooooooooo
>>720186701It's not hard to use wikipedia and look up a term.
Never played HK, but I'm enjoying Silk Song. I'm halfway through Act 2.I think I'm missing some weapon damage upgrades because some of these fodder enemies are taking 8+ hits to kill. That's kind of crazy.
>>720173441why do /v/ niggas defend bad game designI'll never understand
>>720186834hard =/= bad game design
>>720185860>the most egregious low value padding ever>lol git gud scrub>game is fun I'm such a pro gamer>games and achievements that requires actual skill>uhh.. tranny.. autism, twitch clownshitsong fags everyone. they think defending padding makes them skilled.when it comes to actual challenge in games suddenly that's too hard.'git gud' faggots.
>>720186793The game can sense your homosexual aura and hates you for it, so it's going to filter you out to keep you from touching it.
>>720173441So it needs to fit arbitrary genre-defining keypoints to be good now?
>>720187042it's anti-metroidvania in its current state
>>720173441SOme faggot that got filtered. Go get butt fucked by your fat ultra liberal boyfriend.
>>720187310Be quiet you black as night Congosapien
>>720185964>HK trannies have healing on a face buttonYou know what tangent but healing in combat should never be a thing and has gone way too far. Souls slop really has ruined games.A boss fight is supposed to be a 1v1 test of your skill based on the mechanics you've learned so far.Running away to chug potions is so lame and looks fucking stupid.I miss when games just gave you enough HP and then never let you heal.This souls shit has to stop, healing is lame.
>>720183859if you're on console you can't...
>>720185413Refund it, then. No one really cares.
>>720187346Wooooweeee lookie here at this super badass elite PRO gamer guys!
>>720185413Because games are ludo mediaThe whole point is interaction- if you don't want to interact, then maybe gaming isn't for you. Maybe movies would be more your speed?
>>720185413A video game is not a movie. You play a video game, you merely watch a movie.If you don't beat the videogame you don't get to see the ending.
the part of metroidvanias where you're overpowered and backtracking is just mindlessly trekking around with no risk of death fucking sucks actually avoiding death because i'm cracked and have the shmovement>avoiding death because I literally just can't die due to The Numbers
>>720184078This, Modders also "Fixed" Bethesda games, doesn't change the fact that at their base they're mediocre games bloated with bitch-work other problems, like slow walking sections, force "cinematic's" etc, as for cheat engine, it is also a bandage on a brain tumor solution, Silksong has fundamental issues that weren't present in OG HK>you can only heal with full silk and can only heal 3 masks instead of being able to choose how much to heal>throwing offensive abilities like bugs, pins etc. requires to farm resources after each use>getting money is much more tedious than in OG>Most enemies/bosses force you to wait/strike like a fucking robot instead of free-flow fighting the OG had>you have less options when it comes to fighting >both OG and this make to backtrack to boss rooms hard, which wastes time and sometimes makes you loose hp before getting back
>>720187449it's not even really about that it's about the trashy artificial design to force healing.Say you you found that the fair balanced amount of HP for your character was "100".Well instead of giving the character 100 HP, what souls slop devs do to try and force healing is give you 50HP and force the rest of it into consumable rations.it has no purpose or benefit. it just obfuscates the combat with garbage item use.
i'm agreeing with the twitter image and OP is a fagsimple as
>>720187569That's what I like about this game. Bosses do 2-masks of damage per hit, most enemies do 1. This is like nigh-universal throughout the game, so everywhere is both as tough and as easy as everything else.
I haven't gotten very far but the boss fights are pretty easy. I think I've played too many games
When I first started suffering in this game, I thought it was too hard, but when I persevered, learned the game and rose above the suffering, I realised I was just too used to games being easier. This took about 20 hours of gameplay, though. Silksong is to Hollowknight what Sekiro is to Dark Souls: a superior product that has a steeper learning curve and a higher skill ceiling than its predecessor, but people were expecting more of the same.I also thought the "git gud" cunts were being toxic at first. They were, but they were also right.
>>720173441I'm 40 and I almost 100% blindlygit gud
>>720173441>can't cheese with items/spellsOh yes you can. I love my wheel. Every time I see a grounded boss it's wheel time.Also, with that fucking burning bug tree thing, I said "fuck you" after a while and got the floating needle trap out. Once in the second phase, just waited for the big fire spam to end and started chucking the needles on top of it since it doesn't move and it's easy to dodge the single fireballs while laying the traps out.And that's not even counting all the times I've had my ass saved by the triple knives. Great for those times they suddenly throw a big guy in a small hallway.
>>720187987How do you check your completion percentage?
>>720173870>what do you mean I can't waste $3000 to get my waifu and cheese the game?
>>720187569>>720187815This creates a problem where you don't actually feel that you made any progress in the game, since enemies and you are just as strong in the beginning as they are at the end of the game, even with the nail upgrades you reduce the number of necessary hits from 10 to 7/6(when it comes to big enemies) smaller ones still take 4 hits to die, you're right that simply backtracking and mindlessly moving around is bad game design, but what Silksong is doing is not better, IMO there simply must be better map design and the more you progress the easier/faster the movement must become, like give the player the ability to fast-travel without having to travel to FT location every time
>>720187569why should previous areas you've already thoroughly explored carry a risk of death or waste your time in any way at all? when they're just a formality to get back to the content you're actually up to and currently trying to engage with?the whole goddamn point of metroidvanias is 1.a steady difficultly curve on bosses and setpieces via the introduction of more mechanics to remember 2.but also being able to blaze through previously explored areas with you new abilities and learned mechanics thus opening up the world more so it's not a tedious boring slog to explore despite its size.I don't think i've ever seen anyone miss the very core point of a metroidvania so badly.
>>720173870Then again, I'm entitled to a negative review.
>>720173441Shitter filtered by SilKINO.>mobs are fighting back???? HOW DARE>>720173870Based
>>720188006Triple knives are great. Don't want to fuckin deal with something? KNIVES KNIVES KNIVES. I feel like I am missing out on some interactions with other toys though, I have unlocked so many and they are all such mediocre specific use-case items. Triple knives works in literally every situation, they're that good.Can anyone red pill me on alternatives? The drill seemed pretty powerful, but a bitch to land, and I like the nades but there's only like 5 of them before you run out. Any actually good ones?
>>720188072>This creates a problem where you don't actually feel that you made any progress in the gameNo? When I kill a boss I either get a prize or I get a new area to explore. That's progress.
>>720187293So it's a timeless kino akin to how you zoomtards pretended undertale was the greatest RPG of all time?
I just cheesed Lugoli by walking outside the arena after hitting the gong with a trap so I just killed him through the door. Fucker. Poison is ridiculously overpowered, he deserved it.
>>720188174The flintstone sharpener sets Hornet's needle on fire, which increases its damage and can set enemies on fire too.
>>720188072Using perks like focus mode on hingers crest and shit like the enhanced movement speed tools have helped create that feeling imo. That and supposedly you straight up get guns and shit, so.
>>720173441hard games can be funbut this is just not fun
>>720188072The progress is by you getting better similar to monster hunter where even if you have endgame tier armor the event bosses or Master rank monsters can still one or 2hko you.
>>720188182>map becomes bigger>thus even more tedious and sluggish to explore because you have not employed the metroidvania progression system properly.You don't understand design at all, expanding map requires a player that evolves with it. That's how the genre works.
>>720173870FPBP
>>720188403My very fast shoes of running talisman says otherwise.
>>720188034there's an item you find in game but you get it late
>>720185413so then why the fuck are you playing a Souls game if you're not gonna enjoy the difficulty? go play something else, maybe roblox is more your speed
>>720173441dark souls really was damaging for the industry
>>720185413Bro this debate has been settled for like 15 years. Git gud.
>>720185506YeahI got to the end the game is overTime to put it down and do grown up things instead of playing all day like a child
>>720185413So every game should be beatable within 2 hours?
>>720188542>>720188496>>720187510>>720187501>>720187432Babies crashing out when someone tells them that a difficult game is still a childs playthingGrow upIf your game has a story then let players see itIf you dont have a story just put mindleas combat and big numbers for your 'difficulty'You cant do bothHard games dont have good storiesGood stories dont have hard games
>>720173441>can't cheese anything with some OP item/spelldominant strategy will always exist, it doesn't have to be ridiculously powerful, just the most optimal out of every other choice, you'll still be doing it with even your average non-OP abilities and attacks, so in a way, you're cheesing the game with something that's technically the strongest in the game>have to actually run back to the boss and not spawn right outside its doorWhat's the significance of having to run all the way back to the bossfight? Wasting the player's time does not encourage the player to play more.How does your experience of a game improve if you have to take extra ~30-60 seconds to run towards a bossfight instead of just getting to trying again?The run back is always the same, there are no variables, there is no added difficulty, it's just pure waste of time, this does not make you more "hardcore", it makes you a retard who doesn't value their time.
i beat path of pain and pantheon 5 in HK and im having a great time with silksong. i imagine anyone else that did those would have a similar chill experience.
>>720188308Except that high tier G-Rank armor is still a massive boost that lets you feel noticeably more powerful though, even when fighting a hard end game monster. So this comparison doesn't really make sense because you just never feel more powerful at all in this shit.
>>720188663>You cant do bothThe fact that you can is causing you an aneurysm and it's absolutely hilarious. Please continue.
>>720180673I only played HK back when it first came out, never touched any of the DLC. HK was pretty easy from what I remembered, the only time remember having trouble were the 2 beetle knight dudes and the real final boss and the platforming challenge at the end.SS starts off way harder than 80% of what I remember the first game being like. Sounds like the devs fell for their own memes and thought SS needed to be the same tier of difficulty as the DLC instead of the base game.
>>720188651If you think your story should take longer than 2 hours to tell you are wrongCut out the useless paddingYou probably just scrolled tvtropes when writing anywayOr god forbid you made a Psychological horror gameWhich just means you read the first chapter of a psych 101 textbookBecause thats literally every psychological horror gameFact
>>720173441git gud faggot
>>720173441No surprises here, HK has always been a terrible metroidvania and it ruined the whole genre with most of the metroidvanias that came after it trying to replicate the worst the genre has to offer
>>720188470you need more than that.look at the metroid games-ways to break through things to open even faster paths-upgrades that demolish enemies that slowed you down on the first visit-vertical and horizontal mobility that lets you navigate slower sections super fast.-end game when the map gets huge requires a powerful character to keep the pacing the same and that sense of growth and speed is the most satisfying thing about a metroidvania.
>>720188707Go ahead name one and ill judge if it has a good story or is hardDumb baby
>>720184035>what's this meaning to conveyyou know how there are thousand of video games out there to have fun with but some people on /v/ deliberately spend time hating on shitty games? that's what it means
>>720185413ok Karen
>>720188704In Metroidvanias it's common to find ways to sequence break when you are good at the game either that or beat the games with no upgrades
>All the bosses anons have complained about I found readable and funI especially liked Last Judge, I dont see what the big issue about the run back was. Just got to citadel. Explore, get all the flavors of Gatorade, and use the evolved hunter crest with web weaver. Also you upgrade your needle for free in bellhaven. Game is great.
>>720173441>elden ring is for babies>here is a hard game>NOOOOOOOOOOOO WHY IS IT SO HAAAAARDFuck gamers. Worst community ever.
>>720188876Ok nigger
>>720188072>waah waah the game is not easier the more i play it waaah
>>720185413You want to beat sp badly you can always cheat, you pussy
>>720185413>I dont have to do jumping jacks to see the end of a movie i boughtyes because you bought a movie, not a video game? will you get mad at chess if you buy it and people beat you every time?
>>720188987I could also shoot up an elementary school but then id be culturally appropriating gamers
WHY AM I FORCED TO PLAY THE GAME WTF??? THEY TOLD ME GAMING IS LIKE NETFLIX!!!!
>>720189009I bought a product.Not my fault its defective
>>720188663>crashing outa zoomer calling people babies will never not be funny
>>720181818>10 masks is enoughinstead of dying in 3 hits, you die in 5wow, it really is like leveling Vit / Vigor but worse
>>720189121>Why am i forced to get a job and take a shower. I thought trump killed woke so i could play video games all day and jerk it to bug porn
>>720188781HK didn't have any of that either. It's like the devs seem to hate the idea of a "victory lap" upgrade or whatever, which is kinda odd because it's something present in like, 99% of all Metroidvanias
>>720189139Sorry i was speaking down to your nigger subhuman iqDidnt realize you were as smart as the average street shitting jeet
>>720185413>So long as gamers continue to be incel babies thinking that slapping their keyboards really fast makes them cool video games will always be seen as childrens toys for kids and not an adult hobbythe real reason is because of little tantrum-throwing bitches like you, crying everywhere you go
so a friend of mine "beat the game" but didn't get to act 3I'm still just exploring aroundare there specific requirements to trigger act 3?
>>720184557hey, I'll continue to send ">black qbs" in the group chat every week, FUCK OFF
>>720188663you can absolutely fucking do both and that should be the pointlook at Pathologic, that game is 90% story and it's still insanely hard because the difficulty is what gives the story its meaning, the difficulty and gameplay is what makes the story fucking goodit's the same thing here
>>720189213excellent argument as expected of zoomers only able to spew memes. Go back to twitch retard your surrogate dad just went online
>>720189241Didnt you fags throw a fit when games got popular because the normies would make studios realize that they dont have to market to gooner nazi chuds anymore
>>720189330Go find your real dadHe left when he saw that his faggot son would only play video games
>>720189334>Didnt you fagsyou are replying to a single person, there is no plural you here you fucking retard.>more buzzwordskys
>>72018928790% story100% trash
>>720189384he's busy fucking your mom since your own dad is too gay to do it
>>720189409Im replying to all the child fuckers who make childrens toys their whole life and screech about how its a totally mature hobby and they arent wasting their lives
>>720186473>but not every goddamn that comes out needs to be like thatName one just from this year.
>>720189480And your moms busy fucking dogs because shes a whore who birthed a retard faggot
>>720183543>the lost crowngo back to africa
>>720189251fleas need to move to their final locationall wishboard quests must be completed
because hk/silksong is ARTIFICIAL DIFFICULTY nothing encapsulates the design philosophy of the slop series than making a compass not default, something you have to buy and will take up slots when equipped. this sort of jew padding infests team cherry's design philosophy. areas are needlessly massive and waste your time. save points are sprinkled intentionally to make you waste 15 minutes of your time. everything is just there to waste your time. it takes the metroidvania formula then stretches it out and paygates the shit out of everything. meanwhile every other game just has this as a feature because they're not retards and respect the player.
>>720190082>nigga needs a minimap with his location always onLMAO
>>720188129>blaze through previously explored areas with you new abilities and learned mechanics thus opening up the world more so it's not a tedious boring slog to explore despite its size.this makes it tedious to explore because there's literally nothing to it. You've already seen it, you're just feeling around until you stumble into the place you haven't been before and you're basically not even playing the game. If you REALLY suck at finding your way around or just do not improve it might be a problem, otherwise no, it's fine in silksong. you get more movement abilities, you get better at movement. if you get better at the game you can zip around fine.
>>720179426Kinda felt bad for them in phase 3
>>720190226>you should clean your bathroom with a toothbrush instead of a mop bro>trust me it's more rewarding(You) and your artificial difficulty. metroidvania equivalent of shrinkflation
>>720176892Why did no one else discover the moorwing cheese but me? You can beat him without taking a single point of damage or moving around at all.
>>720176960virgin post
>>720173441>No way to reduce damage>Can double your healthisnt doubling your health the same as halving your damage, though?you can also reduce damage to 0 by not getting hit.
>>720180673There are only two kinds of Silksong players that suddenly hate it now>I love this series so much, I never played it but watched a 4 minute speed run on YouTube once, Silksong is going to be epicor> I am severely autistic and decided that my entire life is going to revolve around HK and its lore and gameplay, I speedrun this game 12 hours a day then analyze every frame of my recordings to find new bugs to break the WR, oh also my pronouns are she/they nowEveryone else just wanted to play a video game and simply enjoyed it.
>>720173441>No way to reduce damageMUH 2 DAMAGE ATTACKSreminder>HK had worse healing that only healed 1HP at a time, slowly, forced you to stand, and took all of your soul to heal just 2-3HP before soul upgrades let you have some spare soul, it took dozens of hits to generate the soul for 3HPSilksong lets you heal 3HP much faster than it took in HK, and you can do it in the air, and you float while doing it, only takes 9 hits to charge at BASE, and -1 hits per silk recharge upgrade, one of which is super early on, so 8 hits actually.
>>720180673Same.
>>720173441You can deduct the damage you take by dodging attacksDoubling your health makes the game substantially more approachableRushing past enemies is effective if you're good at movingThe runbacks aren't good, yesProbably the worst thing about the game is the rosary economy, it's fine but if you want to 100% the game you do need to grind a bit
>>720183784>it doesn't bother me so it isn't badnow that is real autism
>>720188308Lmao, in MH if i go in LR with MS rank gear i will Demolish that content, in Silksong that is not the case, even when i finished the game the first area mobs where still a threat to me which is insane.>>720188978>no counter-argumentsi accept your concession
>i finished the game the first area mobs where still a threat to me which is insane.LMAO
I was skeptical about the game at first, but so far I've beaten every boss just by learning the patterns and dodging their attacks.Do they actually get more erratic later or are people just bad?
>>720173441How's your menstrual OP?
Castlevaniasissies and Metroidtroons getting filtered by a real video game that doesn't have a save point before every boss and a million hit points of damage player can tankYou love to see it
>>720190082>areas are needlessly massive and waste your timeI bought the game because I like exploring and getting lost. That's what I liked about HK. You really feel like you are in a tale, it's not just a clear and linear path, you have to think.Therefore that was no problem to me, in fact, I wished areas were way bigger.
>>720173441>No way to reduce damage>Can double your health at most>Every enemy is a potential death because of the aboveit's not soulslop, you're not supposed to get hit
>>720191640Stop attacking fromdrones, what did they even do to you to own them that hard?
>>720176892What is with these dipshits that quit at first sign of difficulty. There are plenty of bosses in Silksong that took me hours and dozens of tries to defeat, and I eventually I did overcome them, because Silksong is a fucking videogame, and videogames are made to be beatable. If you just quit because you lose to a boss too many times, it's not the game that defeated you, you defeated yourself by giving up.
>>720173441not a train station
I feel like the game is about as hard as the first game, just that it's balanced more around Hornet's higher mobility. You take more damage, but you're also faster, so it's easier to dodge.
>>720180673I think that Hollow Knight is arguably far easier in the beginning of the game than Silksong is. It's difficulty creeps up as the game progresses whereas Silksong starts out as far more challenging than early game hollow knight ever was.
>>720191828This. If an enemy has a big attack coming and I can just walk away, I will.
>>720191620>or are people just bad?this one.people were bitching about beastfly.beat it in 3 tries. these kiddies are whining shitters.
Are you excited to wait 7 more years for Zotesong now?
>>720173441Neither "Souls-like" or "metroidvania" are genres. They are design paradigms, both of which are in whole or in part fulfilled by Silksong.
>>720189160Imagine if instead of putting points into VIT you had to explore the map and do quests...wait.
>Demon's Souls came out 16 (sixteen) years ago and people are still bitching about any game that provides a modicum of challenge without giving you an easy way outso much for the soulslike popularity, do shitters never get tired of crying? There are thousands upon thousands of piss easy games that you can beat with your eyes closed, just stick to those
>>720176892what the fuck is buildcrafting?does he mean creating diffrent builds by changing charms?is this really a big deal for someß i just slap something on and forget about it
>>720185413>Why should i have to do extra shit just to see how your game ends.Because if you get to beat the game just for buying it, I'm not going to be buying it.Simple as.
>>720183543>Emulate Metroid DreadI did and it's an awful metroidvania. Incredibly linear, constantly railroads you. Dropped that shit when it blocked my path back to explore for like the 5th time.It could be a good sidescroller, but the combat's not that good. And the movement, while better than in HK, is worse than in Silksong.
>>7201891606 if you have the mask equipedYeah that is a big difference.
>>720176892>buy sequel that is just a worse 1st game>have no fun>drop it>sunk cost fallacy faggots still try to pretend it aint a shit game>BUT 7 YEARS OF HYPEThe 1st game wasnt anything to write home about either to me desu, but i dont know how they managed to make a worse game in 7 years
>>720192662
>>720192563>And the movement, while better than in HK, is worse than in Silksongmetroid lets you keep speed after bouncing off a wall, which is something you can't do in silksongalso sliding I guessbut overall yeah, it is outclassed
>>720173441I never understood the design philosophy behind forcing players to run back to boss rooms, especially when they're in a game you're supposed to die in.If you could learn something between the respawn and the boss room that would help you win the encounter, that'd be one thing. But it's never the case. It's always a sprint back to the room/area while ignoring everything along the way.The shadows boss fight in bloodborne was particularly bad for this.
>>720192745Write in 2 threads faggy fanboys act like its a crime. You deserve that your game sucks after 7 years. Enjoy your 2 contact damage, 90 degree pogo, damage sponges and exploding Rosario faggot.
>>720181384Sure but Hollow Knight is not really a hard game.Look at HK final boss, I think nobody has ever died on it. The only hard boss in original HK are all the DLC ones.
>>720192867>nu uh, copy paste spamming retardation like a bot is normal and you deserve it and fugg you
>>720173870fpbp
>>720173870
>>720192867i don't even want to know how many other threads you're busy being an NPC in kek
>>720173870Based. If you're not good enough to play the game, then play something else. Don't cry and try to make Team Cherry change the game for you. 90% of the players have no issue with the difficulty.
There are almost twice as much benches than HK, but Bilewater can suck a dick
>>720173870I am entitled to everything because I'm me.
Is it a book's fault if its reader can't understand its words?Is it a film's fault if its viewer can't follow the plot?Is it a game's fault if its player can't beat it?
I don't have fun poking damage sponges with 2mm attack range.The central core, the essence of the game is rotten and unfun.
>>720193103It can't be my fault, at any rate. I'm a perfect blameless angel who can't be responsible for anything bad ever. I am, quite literally, the most important person ever.
>>720193043>90% of the players have no issue with the difficultyI mean they do, they just push throughsteel soul was pretty easy in HK and you were only at risk in a couple encounters : this time steel soul sounds like a fucking impossible nightmare, and you can't even practice bosses
Everything else is fair game, but having to run back to a boss arena is retarded. Having to try again is already your punishment for losing to the boss, adding another punishment on top of that is arbitrary and, I'd argue, the only known case of artificially inflating difficulty. Souls is cancer purely by being the series that popularized that shit.
>>720193043>you have to enjoy tedious and frustrating game designJust like with DS2 i just stopped playing after beating like the 5th boss, which was sister splinter? Just a terrible game that is not enjoyable.>>720192934>has opinion that goes against the current>NPCever did some self reflection?
>>720185413>buy heavy dumbell>wtf I can't lift this dumbell it's brokenThat's what you sound like dumb nigger.
>>720193103yes to all of these
>>720193297Normally you would get to unlock a gate to make the runback super short, but here you get BILEWATER FUCK YOU BILEWATER
>>720193297And yet even the people making the souls games stopped doing that shit by now.
>>720193302You were filtered. Move on.
While I am loving the difficulty, run backs are annoying. I wouldn't mind just having checkpoints before bosses (not benches), I want to keep trying the bit I'm stuck on.
>>720173870ACESSIBILITY IS NOT ENTITLEMENTIT'S THE BARE MINIMUM HUMAN DECENCY
>>720193428True, ER placed graces oftentimes right outside boss arenas. Probably why it is so pleasant to play compared to other From titles.
>>720173441No one ever liked this Soulslop trash. Muh no story, muh cryptic dialogue and weird NPCS, my go out there and do whatever for zero reason. Only "le deep" plebbitors like this trash. Same people who watch 3 hour long Youtube videos about Elden Shit lore.Nine Sols is so much better than Shitsong. No runbacks, no backtracking, no farming, no cryptic shitty story and dialogue a la Soulsshit. Just a damn good game.
>>720173441modern /v/ filtered, utterly buckbroken and begging for journo mode
>how could the Hollow Knight sequel be a bigger version of the first game with the exact same core features? This is bullshit, I want my money back!why are they like this?
>>720180673A lot of people think sequels should be a clean slate whereas TC clearly thinks the game is not only a thematic sequel but also a mechanical one. You are rewarded for finishing the first one with acquired skill that carries into the next, much in the same way the narrative is more meaningful carrying forward the knowledge of the first game.
>>720173870And you are not entitled to my monety Simon
Why are /v/edditors so shit at video games?
>>720193767the most best selling indie in years can live without your $20
>>720193560Goumang is a cute and I want to force her to come with me instead of mind raping her.
>>720191737>hours and dozens of tries to defeatYou are built for slavery, i'm gonna cheat if the game doesn't respect my time
>hurr I love runbacks with platforming and 200IQ airborne enemies
>>720187661>Most enemies/bosses force you to wait/strike like a fucking robot instead of free-flow fighting the OG hadNothing wrong with that, you are not entitled to be an unga bunga rushdown monkey
>>720193139>poking damage spongesincrease your damage>with 2mm attack range.use a longer-reaching crest
>Shards are a good mechanic that add to the game because uh...>um...
>>720193535If you could spawn right outside of the boss room, you aren't playing through a level at that point. You're just retrying a fight against a practice dummy ad infinitum until it dies.
>>720194007You don't like mindless grinding in a PLATFORMER?
>>720173870No game is entitled my time. It has to earn it.
>>720194008If you are at the boss, you already beat the preceding level and the boss is now the challenge you must overcome.
>>720180102>have to manually refill it periodically like it's some 90's RPG>takes up a valuable tool slot>meanwhile in HK you just need to equip a charm
>>720182161im fine with contact damage to punish bad positioning.Any enemies dealing double contact damage when not doing a fat charge attack is cheap though
Some encounters are legit bullshit though, especially given how early in the game they are, like Beastfly doing 2 points of damage, but uh-oh, the moveset is actually simple as fuck, maybe it's not hardcore enough for the epic gamers? Let's spam the arena with smaller mobs, problem solved, get le gud! And also since when are obnoxious run-backs a good thing?
>>720180102>have to walk back to that guy every time it runs outYeah I'm not using that
>>720187815>most enemies do 1factually wrong. The majority of melee enemies have some form of double tap damage. The scissor guys in greymoore, the worms, the roaches in sinners path, any sword wielding bug with a flurry attack etc etc
>>720173441>Didn't care for Hollow Knight since it was too slow and I found it a bit boring>Silksong comes out and everyone is talking about the difficulty>I like a challengeI'm actually thinking of picking this up. Is it basically just a harder Hollow Knight? That might be a problem, but maybe the game having a bit of a pulse might fix my problem with the original.
>>720194190Since Dark Souls, the game /v/iggers like to dickride so much
>>720194410it is a better hollow knight, and early on you can unlock the running ability so you don't have to walk slowly
>>720194410It's exactly like Hollow Knight except more linear + everything kills you twice as fast + you can only heal when your meter is completely full + every single fucking checkpoint costs money and 50% of the enemies drop none
>>720194520>It's exactly like Hollow KnightHornet has completely different movement. So, no it's not.
>>720194520more linear is good. backtracking is gay and pointless.the next one should be laid out like a mega man game.
>>720194410I found HK very dull in the beginning and almost dropped it. Silksong goes balls deep from almost the very beginning
>>720179893i couldnt finish the nes adventures of dizzy on emulator with save states and i didnt cry either. fucking manchilren i swear
>>720194520>more linearonly if you are poor
>>720185413>Why should i have to do extra shit just to see how your game ends.You don't. You can still watch the end on youtube. What's your point? Normal people play games for the experience. You had your fun for a few hours and reaching a hard part of a game doesn't reset the value you got previously. If you got stuck somewhere but want to see the end, you can just look up someone not mentally handicapped do it. Or cheat/find a guide. Noone's going to judge how you play your vidya.
cant wait for the hype to die down and for both gamer dads/sweatlords to leave desu
>>720195013I will judge him though.
>>720195027>tfw gamerdad now>find Silksong to be perfectly balanced and funI grew up on Megaman this shit is nothing.
>>720195128>classic megamani threw up. i found x/zero/zx to be way more enjoyable. hate the slide so much
I :transheart: combat that's just rote memorization.
>>720193103>Is it a book's fault if its reader can't understand its words?If it's deliberately choosing obscure or archaic words needlessly then it's definitely the author's fault if it fails to achieve mainstream success. A good author might pepper their work with obscure words but provide enough context for the unfamiliar to still follow along. A terrible author would just fal'cie the l'cie's focus all up in the sanctum's business on the pulse vestige.>Is it a film's fault if its viewer can't follow the plot?Similarly if following the plot requires 3 goes at it, google and a notepad, you probably fucked up.>Is it a game's fault if its player can't beat it?If the majority of the players are having a problem and the thing they are having a problem with does not enhance the experience, then yes, the game has a fault and should be fixed or at least apologised for. If instead it's a minority of entitled shitters just annoyed they can't get their easy platinum, they likely shouldn't care.Silksong sounds like it's a little from column A and a little from Column B. It contains stuff that is tedious and irritating rather than challenging. And I've seen more than a few instances of RNG fucking over players who then get called scrubs by people who just lucked their way through as if they are gods at the game. That's typically bad game design that. RNG should add flavor, not be the difference between piss easy victory and impossible loss.
I feel like you guys would find a way to defend Markoth.
>>720173441>have to actually run back to the bossthat one is kinda bullshit. stop wasting my time, a more annoying game doesn't mean it's a harder game.
>>720195392While the game has its rough edges, can you tell me some examples of where RNG explicitly fucks you in this game?
>>720194190Can't you just deal with all the adds with tools and silk spear? Those helped a lot with Splinter Sister.
>>720195554nta but you can easily get checkmated (unavoidable damage) in fights with too many adds (bonus points if they're extremely bulky (both savage beastfly fights if you choose to do them early) or lost lace. i'm currently on it and the shadow tendril attack can easily block your escape and force you to take damage there's definitely a lot of bullshit in this game but picrel that >>720195368 is making fun of will just tell you to git gud
>>720193994There aren't any meaningful ways to increase damage or range in the first multiple hours of the game.
>>720195678They do fuckall damage. One of my main gripes with the game is everybody is such a damage sponge, even expensive tools don't clear fodder enemies
>>720173870I kneel.An experience that anyone can 'enjoy' and slip and slide through without any sort of challenge to the mind is meaningless, both within art and gaming.
>>720173441>Every enemy is a potential deathYes motherfucker, that's the definition of an enemy. Old school castlevanias get progressively boring as shit because you can eventually steamroll everything in previous areas eithout any skill whatsoever.
>>720173441>words words wordsJust git gud
>>720196013Sandcarvers? What about contact damage ?
I need to check e6 soon there must be so much new hornet porn
>>720194008Rarely has a run back been difficult enough to be worth repeating. It's just a waste of time. Ultimately you learn the fastest way to path through so you can keep trying the boss ad infinitum. Usually I've long since mastered the run back before I beat the boss.
>>720183543>here are all my solutions instead of me wasting my time on this gameok so go fucking do that then nigger
>>720196013>- Slight difficulty reduction in early game bosses Moorwing and Sister Splinter.You didn't beat the game
>>720197058surprising they didn't touch the cheese tactic
>>720173441Just git gud.
Yeah, metroidvanias are PROGRESSION platformers, and even in the original hollow knight there was a lack of progression part. Silk song is of all the games closer to Sekiro, except weak and somehow has LESS upgrades than Wolf had
>>720188146Correct. You did it. You're more grown-up than 99% of whiners on /v/
>>720195738>spoilerfuck should've not read that one, and here i was thinking i was just about done with the game. But yeah, adds are aids can't argue with that. I at least found the boomerang with poison to do quick work of them
>>720192662i torrented silksong and never played the original game, and still find SS a fun challengepersonally im more miffed at the people who feel the need to have the compas on at all timedo you just not have the ability to orient yourself in space on a map
>>720197351>lack of progression part>crest>tools>skills>Needle upgrade>tool bag / damage upgrade>mapsWhat the fuck do you want more?
>>720180673I haven't played the original since it first came out until replaying it this weekend, and frankly it's so shockingly easy that I think you should probably get an examination to see if you have an undiagnosed cognitive impairment.
>>720196013Sister Splinter was already fucking easy
>>720186473>game based on Fromslop is like FromslopOne would think, then, that that is the target audience. Seems foolish to be upset that a duck is a duck.
>>720173441the game punishes you for rushing it, if you're not a speedrunner take your time or you will get dickedsilksong is made for people who already beat hollowknight and want the same universe but new content, play hollow knight first before picking it up or bash your head against a wall as a new by to the "genre" until you git gud
>>720180945>there is a lot of people who didn't finish hollow knightThe gears section in SilkSong is harder than White Palace. Or at least buggier. does more damage, and you don't have bee charm. Radiance isn't harder than many of act 2 bosses. Only if we count DLC like nightmare king and godmaster stuff - but imo that's not part of the game in the same way steel soul mode isn't
The grand irony is that I actually like the early game but it starts to really rot deep into act 2. Some of the insulting bits that stand out to me are>The necessity to grind to change gameplay when the game doesn't naturally just let you earn it enough passively with good gameplay - there's simply no way even .1% of the playerbase of this game can sit around on 2k rosaries unlost and unspent by the time they hit a new vendor>Why are down attacks for Beast and the base form less height than the regular apex of your jump? It feels so unnecessary in platforming sections where your boss walk will be so long you're stuck with one playstyle 99% of the time because your run back will be so much worse if you try experimenting>I don't know if people have done the math yet but it honestly does feel like 70% of this game is add spam fights - was the original HW this bad?>Maybe shit hitboxes but it can be played around easilyThat's about all I can really think of
I only finished this game because I was stubborn. Too much annoying (not difficult, ANNOYING) shit in this game for me to like. Probably not going to replay it again.My final rating is gladipiratedit/10
>>720196013>>720197058I fucking knew it, god fucking damn it. I will have to rush this shit before they keep nerfing bosses. I hate you shitters so much.
>>720197562>crestsReaper and wanderer are nerfs to everything but pogo, witch is extremely situational, the rest are kinda trash.>toolsOn a limited resource and don't restore silk>skillsOnce again waste of silk>Needle upgradeFrom 4 hits on basic guy to 3, too weak with too high cost>tool bagThat's honestly the fucking funniest joke the game does. It doesn't give you any reasons to use tools at all but showers you with upgrades to them specifically. If all of those were spool and spool heart upgrades the game would be infinitely better.
>>720174116>Just play the new shinobi if you want a better gameFixed your post.
>>720197505The maps have no detail
>>720198356Exactly, half the time map outright lies. Wish all metroidvanias either had a detailed map like Axiom Verge 2 or shown room completion like Ender Lilies
>>720173441>No way to reduce damage>Can double your health at mostif you double your health that means you are halving the damage bosses do
>>720192867>get exposed>OH NO NO NOmany such cased desu
>>720198628>if you double your health it means you are halving the damageNo, because health still costs exectly the same amount of resources to restore
>>720173441When you go back to those places it should be easier because you've actually played the game and practiced the mechanics
>>720198356can you not orient yourself by room shape?i can open the map on a random spot, walk around a bit and guesstimate pretty well that >oh this wall is here, so im most probably in this room, i have to go here
>>720198996Except Bilewater fuck that runback
>>720195050Unless he cheats online and ruins fun for others, you don't have to be so petty about it
>>720198996no amount of practice would make it easy enough without actual numerical advancement of player character. After a long play session it might actually be harder to backtrack than initial pass cause still decay from exhaustion kicks in.
>>720173441Ok I understand my skill is less than ideal but if designed an extremley long gauntlet of enemies to end with a crapshoot fight?
>>720199061wrong.
>AdsSILKSTORM fuck YOU !
>>720199120you can cheese the fight with ascendant grip in last phase with two bosses they only do jump attacks then you can hit them slowly to death
Just finished the good/best? ending without looking anything up. Time to go for 100%. Absolutely wonderful game. Shitters, stay filtered. A toast to the entire facade of the games hype industry of tourists and shitty journalists getting filtered the fuck out.
>>720199042I don't get the fuss about it. Even it's farther that the last judge's runback, comparatively you (almost) got all traversal tools, making it a breeze. And there are a lot of big useless fyling enemies on the way to refill your silk.When I read all the anons CRYING about this boss, I thought the gauntlet would be way longer, but it's what? 4 waves of two enemies? The boss itself doesn't even have a lot of moves.Took me two tries, and only because I was jumping when the boss appeared (he stunned me in the air, I fell into the water).I guess people haven't found Karak or fought the unraveled yet, where it's not difficult but it's annoying because you have to wait on the game.
>>720199120Why didn't you just get out of the way of those giant slow attacks?It looks really easy to dodge in this game.
>>720199023Why would you do that, when you can just eliminate the guesswork entirely?
>>720199431Wait, you did Bilewater with double jump? That's easy
>>720199437Cause they put you through a long gauntlet first and by that point I was getting sloppy
>>720199410>sgdq posterTranny
>>720199585>I played badand are you trying to say that's the game's fault?
rosaries have defeated me. i just do not care enough to grind these things out for the vendors in each area. i kneel, shitsong.
>>720199549Are you retarded? You literally can't progress the area without it.
>>720176892reading reddit I think theres a bit of a culture war right now between fags who think the game is too hard, and based chuds that think people should just get good.
>>720177270kek
>>720176892Who cares?If you can't beat the game and it's making you cry, install cheats.
>>720199549>he didn't play the game
>>720173870OP shitter shattered
>>720180673If you dont think Silksong is harder and way more punishing than HK you are clinically retarded. >>720190904Hard cope kek
>>7201960137 years and no one fucking realized the rosary economy is completely fucked for act 1 lmao what a bunch of retards.
>>720199487so i can put the magnet and extra shards on
>>720186129The key is in Bilewater, because of course it is.
>>720185393this
>>720188545>grown up thingslike what old man
>>720200896i fucking knew it even before i clicked the spoiler, it had to be there to be ass design enough. Should i bang by head more against it or should i explore different places to get more stuff?
There, finally delivered that fucking Courier's Rasher. Fuck me there was so much stupid shit in Sinner's Road and the Citadel blocking my way.
>>720176892 Weak bitches should quit.
>>720180673 The idiots crying loudest in pain are the fuckers who were just around for the hype train ride and were never really all that into the original. It’s a fine sequel. We dodged a shitload of bullets to get this decent a Hollow Knight sequel. Anyone who thinks it’s too hard just has weaker fuckin DNA. Foxes whining about grapes. Children who are used to participation trophies for showing up.
>>720176892Stupid bitch. Video games aren't for women, go back to your cozy games
>>720201420>>720201881the game was made by and for weak bitches
>>720201607It's true. I thought original was 8/10 game and sequel surely would improve on all the weaker aspects, not double down and cut the strong parts out
>>720193921>enjoy challenge, even in spare time>U-UR A SLAVEWoman, Redditor, or both?
Is this game actually around 50 hours long? And are those 50 hours filled with meaningful content, or is it mostly repetitive grinding?
>>720173441The Force is not with you.Never shall you rise.Gaming is not for you.
>>720173441I have seen nothing of Silksong and don’t care to, but I will weigh in and say that I agree with your assessment and have never really cared about Hollow Knight. I keep meaning to go back and play through it all the way but it is a really fucking boring game. I played it for like 2 or 3 hours a few times and it just never picked up, it stayed a slow Metroidvania with little change in gameplay. I have no idea why it is so well regarded and I’m not meme’ing at all, it genuinely plays like a 6/10 game. Is it just the visuals and the story?
>there's another fucking delivery quest in this game>it's part of unlocking a weapon upgrade
>>720183543>Play F.I.S.T>much better games with much better art, animations and much more talented devs.No it isn't, lol. It is complete dogshit. The demo is super polished but once you are outside of that in the rest of the game it becomes complete garbage with every single mob enemy becoming worse damage sponges than anything in this game and you can't even parkour past them like in Silksong. It is legit the most boring MV I have ever played and I own both Grime and Ghost Song.
>>720173441>can't cheese anything with some OP item/spelllollmao even
>>720173441>"muh games are art, muh emotional experience"Insufferable crowd. Go back.
>>720184496You cheated not only the game, but yourself. You didn't grow. You didn't improve. You took a shortcut and gained nothing. You experienced a hollow victory. Nothing was risked and nothing was gained. It's sad that you don't know the difference.
>>720191737Everyone has a limited lifespan, you seem to be ok using it to memorize a videogame boss's attack pattern, but most people aim to have richer lives than that.
>>720205537>can't spend even a couple minutes to memorize a basic patternWhat the fuck are you, a mayfly?
>>720204951>You experienced a hollow victory.Heh
>>720205648Obviously people quit after more than a few minutes of tries.>But I can beat anything in a couple of tries!Good for you, unfortunately you provide no evidence of this so we'll have to take your word for it.Regardless, wasting hours on a single videogame boss is not a way most people want to spend their limited time with.
>>720205892If you find the time you spent playing video games as wasteful, why are you even here? You obviously don't play video games.
>le runbacks... ARE ACTUALLY GOOD!no. fuck you. nito, seathe executioner's chariot, the two fucking overgrown cats in frigid outskirts can all go suck my dick. ds3 did the right thing and chemo'd this cancer going forward
>>720173441Hollow Knight and Silksong are absolutely Soulslikes, and they excel at being soulslikes. Every normgroid and their mother likes soulslop so it’s no surprise that Hollow Knight and its sequel are successful, but yeah, as a metroidvania it’s easily one of the worst out there. Not even mid at best. And it’s overrated as fuck, just like every other rollsslop game.
Wrong wrong wrongYou can powerfarm beads fast as fuck, the bench above bone bottom or the area by the first shrine. You can earn thousands of beads (and shards) in an hour. Then just ignore all enemies since they are pointless.You can get the best crest and the best charms. Most are pretty useless but the good ones do make a big difference.You can look up cheese methods or ignore optional shit to later. Honestly just knowing>a) which enemies to burst with tools or silk abilities andb) when to ignore a section/come back later makes all the difference.Or if you pansy fucking faggot, you can install the multitude of mods that make the game a pisseasy joke like limp-wristed PC """Master Race""" fags are doing.Overall the game is about as hard as Hollow Knight, definitely not as tough as Sekiro or some of the memeshit in Elden Ring.
>>720176929Nope. You are a discarded chunk of metal. Irrelevant to the economy.Currently, ESG's politic is the actual "key" cogs making the whole videogame's economy works."Voting with your wallet" doesn't work because the voting power of investment firms is -several order of magnitude- bigger than the voting power of your average consumer.
>>720188693I beat pantheon 5 and thought it was a miserable experience and I think Silksong is pretty good but not great
>>720206626>the best way to play this game is just to farm a certain spot and then ignore every other enemyWow sounds like a shit game, especially a Metroidvania game
>>720207474I wish it didn't be like it be but it do.The game did an extremely poor job making you care about exploration. And the world design certainly doesn't make you care, zones all just kinda mesh together in a forgettable blob.
Still yet to see a compelling defense for the compass and map mechanic being so obtuse and annoying. No it doesn't make the game harder, no it's not good just because it's different
>cant cheese anything with op item haha
>>720202043Suddenly I'm OK with Visa giving this site a dick up the ass.
>>720207628One way to fuck over the game is to use save and quit as homeward bone. It allows you to save time, saves you from death, and autofills your explored map areas. It's much faster than backtracking and I find it much easier to explore when I can see the various routes on the map to make sure I checked everything
>>720207827Oh I've been abusing the ever loving shit out of save warping in this game. Saves so much time on backtracking.Never felt the urge to do this in other metroidvanias, wonder why that is
>>720180673Silksong started off as a harder DLC than Godhome, they fucked up the difficulty curve when turning it into a seperate game.
>>720207827>>720207913you didnt beat it
>>720183830Playing games is wasting time retard, what "padding" are you even talking about? Do you even know what padding is?
>>720204821>damage spongesit isn't hollow knigth where you just spam shallow attacks. the enemies aren't damage sponges because the game has a DMC combo system.
>>720173441>Progressing in HK actively penalizes you because you get new areas and more places to go without any of the upgrades that make travelling easierThat doesn't make any sense.Have you ever played a metroidvania?
The $20 pricetag at release was a mistake, it lured way too much tourist that were not the target audience and now reviewbomb the game and ask for nerfs even though they will never finish it.
>>720183543Hey look! Someone who has absolute shit taste in video games!>just emulate Metroid Dread and Lost Crown because of m-m-malware! Not because they're too shitty to actually justify buying!Ori Wow is shit you dumb nigger and F.I.S.T is even worse. Also learn what the fuck padding means you failed fucking shill.
>>720208223nta but I liked Dread more than I'm liking Silksong. You should buy it
>>720208223lol Shit Song faggot is mad.all those games are much higher quality that your poorly animated flash shit.
>>720173441heres my hot take: souls-like and metroidvania are the fucking same
>>720208818You're retarded
I'm getting filtered by The Mist. Triggering af area
>>720208131It balances out with the niggers playing 4 seconds and leaving a KINO review
>>720173441Git gud, stupid nigger
>>720206626Sekiro isn't difficult in the slightest.
>>720189436holy fucking melty KEK
>>720185725>no damage and other meme runsSorry, I am not a mentally ill tranny
>le paddingWhatever you consider “padding” is completely subjective you know that right
lmao counting the hits each boss takes is a mistake. holy shit these things are damage sponges
>>720185725>100% Ninja GaidenWhat kind of zoomerbabble is this? '100%' an NES game?Fuck off idiot
It’s difficult yes, but I just beat Act 1 and it hasn’t been that bad yet. The flying enemies are literal shitheads though.
>>720185413Then watch a movie instead if you can't handle games. Fucking retard.
>>720201070Having a jobBeing a contributing member of societyTaking care of a familyMeanwhile gamersDont have jobsWaste their lives playing gamesHave their family take care of them instead
>>720190082I actually love going no compass and having to actually figure out where I am based on landmarks, like how a real hiking map works. So no, I'm glad they made it an option but not default.
>>720191985Beastfly was tough for me, but it's mostly because I wasn't utilizing my options effectively. All you really need to do is get the fly to slam down on the adds he summons so that they get instakilled. Then the fight is a really predictable series of waiting for two types of attacks to proc so you can do a single attack on it. That plus deciding to actually use my boomerang really helped kill it quickly.
>>720185725Truth Nuke
>>720211632>we must be better men and pay taxes so goldberg can give the money to brown people and the brown people can rape and kill my family
>>720211724beastfly is just an endurance test. can you tolerate seventy hits on a boss that does two attacks
>>720173441honestly don't understand the hype, hollow knight seemed extremely shallow with most of the game being memorizing boss patterns, most of the time being a boring fight because once it's solved, you just need to mechanically do itmetroidvania's have a lot of running around only for you to get rocked at a boss, so you can run back again, to memorize it, and then mechanically play out the pattern with the bossit's not very satisfying
>>720193043quite literally only people who are gay youtuber masochists say they "like" the game, otherwise it's just retards who enjoy getting their dick punched and it doesn't matter what game does it
>>720205956Can you not understand the concept of progress? Do you think playing a linear 9 hour game and grinding for 9 hours in a gatcha are the same activity? Playing 20 hours of a game while making steady progress is fun, spending 3 of those 20 hours on the same 10 meters stretch, is not (for some people)
>>720173870Trvth nvke
>>720212118>Goes nuclear when I midnor use chest engine to play however I want.
>>720208478If you hop slash you get iframes. Just use wanderer and jump slash downward on the left enemy. Worst case scenario you take 1 mask of damage, best case everything is cleared by the pound and you get to fight the boss on one life to earn another three from silk generation.
>>720186473I'm sick of how every action game has a stamina bar unless it's a 2D beat'em up, or some kind of parry that you're basically forced to use for any real damage
>>720208439same, dread is a much better "metroidvania", only fromtrannies will prefer silksong because it's mostly about the autistic boss fights and the masturbation about being le hardcoer gaymerfor the record I still like silksong but I don't think I'll bother with act 3, I saw some of the stuff here and it sounds like neverending AIDS
>>720211632Why are you taking time away from raising your kids to play games you don't like?Aren't you a good father?
Motherfuckers probably grinded SOTN and beat the actual hard fights by pure stat checks.
>>720207628I don't get the trend of gating the most basic gameplay mechanics. It's Starfield level shit game design where basic mechanics were locked under skills
>>720185413Why would you want to lower a high quality form of media, gaming, to the level of a shitty one, film? There is not a single film out there that is as good of an experience as a game like Silksong, and there never will be. Because listening to an opinionated lecture that you can't respond to for 2 hours will always suck. Watching an action scene that you can't be a part of will always suck. Seeing someone else do adventure stuff without having a role in it will always suck. Games are better than films, and until films actually figure out how to become more like games, they'll never be interesting as an art form.
>>720211820Get a real jobBuy gunsGet ready for when schlomoberg finally pushes it too farSociety collapsesNow you have to kill all the hordes of monsters (blacks, browns and gays)
>>720209705Name 10 games you've beat that are harder
oh boy it's another tram station with no enemies that drop rosaries for 5 screens pogchamp chat
>>720173441>Have to actually run back to the boss and not spawn right outside its doorI don't know how soulsgames do things, but for metroidvanias (and most adventure or RPG games for that matter), isn't it usually just a common courtesy to put a save point near a boss or challenge segment as a warning and final opportunity to gear up and heal for a big fight?
>>720186473>dark souls was the first hard platformerAre you retarded?
>>720212867Holy shit your opinion is so fat i can smell that you havent taken a shower in weeks through the internet. Its a game. Not art. You cant lower the medium below what it is, which is the same thing as playing cards or monopoly, a toy.
>>720192471You sound the like type who would be okay with them selling an unfinished game and then you pay more just to get drip fed content forever
>>720213334Because I want my games to be hard, I also want my games to be unfinished service game shitholes?What is this retarded autism?
>>720173870holy fippy bippy
>>720173441>have to actually run back to the bossonly valid complaint
>>720213408No, if you can't beat the game, it's hard, right? That's what he is getting at, you aren't picking up what he's putting down.
>>720213741Correct, that was too monumentally retarded for me to seriously consider as a possibility.But I guess it's all there is
>>720173870OP is a fag and got btfo immediately.
>>720185413>Why should I have to do extra shit just to see how your game ends.Just watch it on youtube then you gigantic pussy
how many of the people posting here have even finished the game? what ending? I've done the basic one and I'm satisfied, the second to last boss was a giant pain and apparently the true last boss is just the same enemy again but with a shit ton of environmental hazards added and various spam so I think I'm good
>>720173441Bait or bad at videogames? When you type this stuff do you read it? Nothing is free dipshit, get good or quit playing you washed up 999 ms geriatric holyyy!
>got to groal
>>720183296Usually anything tanky or getting caught in a combo hits you for 2, while everything else hits for 1.
shit game shit game shit game shit game
>>720207628The map is obtuse to evoke a sense of exploration in an unfamiliar land. It's definitely readable, but does require some thinking and context from landmarks for you to use it well.If (You) lack this skill, the game provides a tool that makes reading the map trivial, but at the cost of a slot that you could have used for combat utility.
>>720215063He wouldn't be bad if he wasn't behind a runback that's still annoying even with the secret one, forced to take the maggots, and past a mob arena before fighting him. All these things and other bosses having similar frustrations might make this a 1 playthrough game for me.
>>720193629Modern /v/ seems to just be redditors that are too afraid to swear on there, so they come here
git
>>720215467You actually can avoid the maggots with the closer bench route if you have the double jump. Use the clawline just before you hit the water and immediately jump out of it to wall jump up. It's a similar concept to the acid skip from hollow knight if you're familiar with speedrunning techniques. Still doesn't change how annoying the runback is.
>>720215467I'm honestly feeling the same way. If nothing else I will never ever be doing blightwater again should I ever decide to play the game again
Before I lose my sanity trying to beat groal now is the reward even worth it?
>>720215780He is a required boss if you want to enter act 3.
>>720215818
>>720185883>yes they are.Who is they? The voices in your head?LMAO
>>720206626>you can farm thousands of beads in an hour>open cheatengine>set anal beads to many thousandslol
>>720173441I know this is bait but there are legit babies on /v/ nowadays.game isn't even that hard.
>>720173441>>No way to reduce damageDon't get hit, retard.>>720173870First post, best post.
>>720192321I think the game combines elements of the both the Metroid and Castlevania series.maybe this could be the start of the a new genre?
>>720194410It's about on par for difficulty, but it ramps up faster. You've got a lot more mobility and you heal for triple, but a lot of enemies will hit you for double (typically anything huge, explosive, or catches you in a combo). You get more options for special attacks and tools, the latter which recharge at benches using the shell shards most everything drops.If you hate the new moveset and diagonal pogo, you can get a crest that reverts it closer to the Knight's moveset fairly early on, although it's got a shorter range of attack.
>>720173441Git gud faggot.
>>720196013>Sister SplinterFucking why? Just just sits there and takes hits for most of the fight. You can easily destroy the thorns faster than she can place them and her mooks can be dealt with quickly with the boomerang, silk storm, or just letting her smash them herself.
>>720176892best part? moorwing is one of the easiest fightsthe difficulty dosnt rampy until the judgeif you cant beat those first few bosses there is 0% chance to beat the game
>>720180673i finished hollow knight and silksong is still much hardershit like bilewater feels just miserable to play even for me
>>720173870I fucking kneel, anonsama
I just edited my save file to give me 10 health and 10000 beads. What are you going to do about, bitch?
>>720183296YeahAnd you can heal for 3 masks twice as fast as the Knight could and also while in the airThis counteracts the difficulty perfectly
>>720182320These are the sorts of people complaining btw
Guys I beat groal
>>720192867>90 degreeRetard
>>720173441>No way to reduce damagealready outed as not having played the game
>>720194190Spawning ad is his moveset
>>720173441>>720173870name ONE THING wrong with having difficulty levels in every video game>if you want the sense of superiority for beating a hard game, you still get that for beating the game on the hardest difficulty>allows for even harder difficulties to really test player skill>devs won't cave and nerf an enemy or boss because lower difficulties exist>casuals can now play the game and won't complain because lower difficulties exist>because casuals can play the game, more people will actually buy and play the game, and more sales means more likely to get more gameThere is literally NOTHING WRONG with having difficulties. Souls games have fucking fried your brain. I have never heard complaints about fucking DMC for difficulty because guess what? You beat DMD mode and it's an accomplishment itself.
>>720199487Because it's fun
>>720215780He is intended as a poison cogfly check.
>>720207913It's because you're bad
>>720207913Both HK games have speedrun requirements so bench warping is necessary
