>like they did with D3
>implying

>>720186634
D3 is great fun. Sure its not D2 but I view it more as a spiritual successor to Gauntlet Legends/Dark Legacy. Rifts and Bounties are a pretty great time and there are a decent variety of builds despite what the game might lead you to believe.

>>720186412
D3 is still shit.
D4 is purposely designed to be shit to sell cosmetics, there's nothing to 'fix'.

>>720186412
this guy expects Diablo III-2 Open World Expansion to ever be good lmao

>>720186412
the expansion stopped me from going back ever again I will never give blizzard money
and no i didn't buy D4 base i was gifted it and still feel ripped off

>>720186412
Whales are funding it
That's what matters to Blizzard
You think the faggot bitch player like you who won't spend thousands weekly are important?

No, it's the fucking fags who have like 30 copies of it and buy new accounts monthly that count. It's the same retards who spend 10k a month.

You aren't the ideal player for this game, anon.

>>720186412
It doesn't need saving. It made money and so will the next turd blizzard shits out.

>>720186412
based. I like all diablo. You have good taste

i miss d3 skills so much its unreal.

poe2 does a lot right, but (like d4) the skills are fucking bland. entire weapon classes are like 3 different d3 skills + runes, split into separate gems

im sorry i talked shit, jay

Nothing is stopping you from retvrning to tradition and playing D2R

Should I get D3 ultimate edition or should I buy this expansion for D4?

>>720186412
I quit Season 9 on day 1 after I saw they wanted to force me to do the Undercity. Is S10 out yet?

>>720186412
D3 was always shit even after the expansion but D4 release made it look amazing to simpleton faggots. It was fucking wild watching everyone backflip to D3 and then sing its praises, thats when I knew the arpg community are all a bunch of braindead faggots

>>720193909
If I was you, I'd consider suicide.

Is seaonal content ever repeatable? I actually liked the vampire one

>>720186412
NO PALADIN
NO BUY

>>720195506
They haven't done it so far. It'll probably be in a few years when it goes into maintenance mode like D3.

>ermergerd it has diablo in the title
>attack power/armor power for every "class"
>""""RPG"""""
blizzdrones must consoom

>Dibo3
>Good
I got it with all dlc for 5 bucks and I was already bored after the skeleton king. Hell dibo3 embodies everything wrong with the genre

>>720186412
>season 36
>2 year old game
What is blizzard's problem

>>720197213
>I got bored of diablo before getting any notable progression

>>720186412
i'm just gonna keep playing diablo 2

>>720193909
d3 is more fun than d4 by a mile and also still looks good

>>720196895
>it's not an rpg because you can't let bears fuck your gf like in BG3

>>720197347
>you have to eat shit to its center for it to taste good
keep that to yourself, Blizzjeet

>>720186412
You're immensely retarded if you play any diablo game

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>>720197421
HAAHAHAH still mindbroken KEK u let trannies design your game instead huh, blizztranny?

>>720197424
I think you're being disingenuous to assert any of these games have something grand to experience in act 1

>>720197490
>0,0003 rusted metal was added to your Steam inventory

It was fun playing through the story with a friend, but once you're sent into "open farming" and subsequent seasons where you just skip the main story that you only ever need to see once (and in many cases can only ever do once), leveling up again and the grind is just awful.
Did they ever fix the level scaling so that you didn't immediately get weaker upon level up?

>barge into thread for a game you hate
>call everyone a tranny cuck
>leave

>>720198065
go ahead and talk about the skill twig and attributes that set apart the different classes instead

Man, I hate what ARPGs have become, like 90% of development goes into the FOMO season shit instead of persistent game content.

>>720198305
hahaha the blizzcuck wants me to talk about his shit tranny game hahah nice try

I don’t understand why everyone shits on d4. It’s the best in the series, easily. D3 is ass, and d2 is nostalgia bait.

>>720198531
actually it's
2>>4>3=1

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>enjoying diablo3
holy cringe

>>720197315
He's referring to D3. D4 is either on Season 10 or about to be.

>>720197490
I think I see the problem now with Diablo 4's development, trannies. Explains why each season had some tranny-tints to it.

>>720199287
>just makes shit up
For how woke Blizzard is, it certainly hasn't bled into D4.

>>720198446
literally easier than making fun of shit eating indians LMAOOO

>>720186412
I know nothing about D4. Vent to me, what's so bad about it?

>>720199708
Most people bitching about it either
>didn't play it at all since it's unpirateable
>played one of the open betas that was a couple days long and capped at level 20
I'm not going to extol the virtues, as I've had a rollercoaster love/hate relationship with it, but just understand most of the people who shit up these threads are liars.

>>720199708
It's made by Blizzard and I hate Blizzard because /v/ told me to

>>720186412
Just keep playing for endless seasons, bro

>>720199796
likewise you're a naive ignorant faggot with no taste.

>>720199974
Prove you own it.
>imagine etc etc
So, a liar.

>>720199708
The people who hate it can’t tell you either.

>>720199818
it's funny how all the hardcore Blizzard hate on /v/ started with the Free Taiwan fiasco at Hearthstone
it's even funnier how /v/ is now chink central

>>720200117
Sure they can. They can post a webm of someone using spin2win and then act like they know what's going on.

>>720186412
>like they did with D3
but they didn't, D3 is the same old mindless numbers grind as always, what are you on about

>>720199413
Anon you just wait, they will come up with some crazy new vagina-penis Prime Evil hybrid that promotes open borders. And cohencidentally will protect hooked-nosed NPCs. They already tried to kill the Aryan Nephilim in Diablo 3, and try to do so with their offspring in Diablo 4.

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>>720199998
quests and missions were tedious
and content was repetitive
aspects/crafting mats were a mess...
stash space?
no loot filters
no map overlay
trading?
skills were boring
builds were boring
story was probably shit too, but i cant remember

i can't really remember what i mightve liked about it either

it just didnt meet expectations at all, or really add anything to the genre

>>720200328
oh yea, the scaling. that felt like shit too

>>720186785
>3 is a successor to Gauntlet

I can respect that angle. I do feel however that 3 was very cheaply made.

>>720193909
D4. Get it on Ps5 for free and just treat it like a single player game.

>>720200176
But D3 wasn't always mindless numbers grind, anon
It used to be pure, unadultered hot fucking diarrhea and that was it

>>720198425
Persistent game content is a lie. It’s a lie sold to people who want bang for their buck for games so they can glaze about it in reviews.

>wow there’s so much “content” here! For 68$, what a steal!

>>720200479
anon i played d3 when it came out, and played ros when it came out, and i have it installed at this moment
and it's exactly the same shit, fundamentally. a mindless grind for numbers, nothing else

>>720200479
>>720200393
d3 was not the direction nor quality we wanted; they also fucking cancelled it, so it never really stood a chance after a certain point... but the skills and sets were cool and for that it holds (some) place in my heart.

>>720200568
>>720198425
retards

>>720200631
>can’t fathom an argument
>lmao retards

$150 says you grind endgames in vista because the devs and YouTube told you to.

>>720186412
>"we're gonna do faster expansions"
>merely an excuse to sell you more shit/recycle more seasons
>plot goes nowhere because you have to stall for time
Funny how both diablo and wow are running the exact same playbook. This company does not have a fraction of the soul it used to have, you're retarded if you expect anything better from them going forward.

>>720200465
How do you get it on ps5 for free?

>bro diablo is so bad you should play a real ARPG like PoE2
Sorry, I just want a casual experience where I can grind monsters and find loot. I don't want to read guides all the time just to make a somewhat viable build and I certainly don't want to trade items with other players.

>>720200861
wait what the fuck is your argument?

>>720186412
They'll never fix it.

>>720200984
The problem is that Blizzdrones think Blizzard had soul at any point they made a game with "craft" in the name. Diablo is their only franchise, with 3 and Immortal being the warts.

>>720201104
My bad, it’s already gone from the monthly claim on psplus.

I wouldn’t buy it at full price, but it’s a really solid game on sale.

>>720199708
It's barely even an ARPG. Streamlined and simplified so much it lost everything just to appease to the broadest demographic possible.

>>720201136
The argument is that people become enraptured in end game content, when the reality for every single game is that 2% of the playerbase partake in it.

People who are playing the game normally, never complain. People who are knee deep in endgame, constantly complain, because they’re trying to live the lie that a game should be playable and meaningful every day and the grind should fulfill their soul.

>>720197490
Shit like this just makes me sigh. Do they really think lgbt folks will see this and go "no way blizzard is so le heckin woke just like me, I must consooom". Yeah I'm sure they picked two random devs out of a hat and they both look like that.
How stupid do they think the average person is to not see how completely performative of a gesture that is.

>>720191219
>D2R
I'm installing it right now.
Played it only once as necromancer, now I'm going to make an amazon I think.
Let's hope the next season of diablo 4 will turn things around and make it into a good game finally.

>>720200568
What about actually owning the game I paid for?
>sorry anon the fun gameplay mechanic we spent time developing was playable Jan-March 2025. Maybe play the game in 2028 to experience it again for a bit, or 2031.

>>720201348
That’s not an assertion so much as an observation big dawg
And you can’t deny poe enjoyers are eating well
So what’s up?

>>720201539
Poe1 is awful. It plays like a fan game of d2 with no understanding of anything.

The fucking hitboxes aren’t good. The attack animation on the default attack is lt polished. You know why? Because they just LOOKED at d2 and thought, “yep, that’s my game.”

>>720201447
Sorry you can't get all the fun out of the seasonal content in 3 months. I hope your helmet doesn't fall off.

>>720201447
I read persistent as “ongoing”. Time gated content is what you’re talking about, which is a different story.

To play devils advocate though, that’s just how it is with online games. They go through so many changes that you can’t freeze frame any one particular point in time and clamour for it.
Or, you can. Go look at every private server of an mmo ever to get a feel for that.

>>720201646
>PoE1 is bad because...da hitboxes!
lmao

>>720201126
who are you quoting?
also play d2r then, it's a superior game

>>720186412
They tried to make it fun, but its just kind of dull. I was a bit let down but its a good time waster

>>720201830
Go on, post an endgame map runthrough.

>>720186412
The only other ARPGs I enjoyed besides Diablo and PoE was Torchligh 1 and 2. I didn't care for Victor Vran, Van Helsing or Grim Dawn. What other ARPG would you guys recommend?

>>720186412
>retconned mephisto into being a demon dog
>changed his VA

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>like they did with D3

D4 is way too Satanic. I was playing POE2, and it’s goofy dark fantasy again. D4 has like, people being butchered, flayed corpses tied up.

Shit is demoralising to play through. D2 started you in a guild of sexy rogues.

My only hope is a D1 remake where the enemies stay dead and which has similar horror atmosphere otherwise i don't care about the franchise

>>720202409
weak bait, here's a complimentary (You)

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>>720202409
PoE2 is full of that stuff though, or did the city-sized caravan being dragged by hooks embedded into the backs of thousands of slaves for no reason (the "bad guys" use massive beasts of burden to pull their caravan instead) not clue you in?

New D3 season at Friday ?
Awesome!
I see it's the gem one. I remember playing witch doctor on it. Any suggestions for now?

>>720202476
Diablo roguelite remake, it should happen.

>>720202476
I don’t even get what a d1 remake would be.

>>720203742
Is it? I’m only a few hours in.

>>720186412

They were literally told by fans to add Paladin or Crusader or Templar and it would sell millions yet they refused

>>720204864
...and it sold millions despite this. Also
>Crusader
Fuck you and D3. That's Blizzdrone shit.

>>720186412
D3 and D4 are both arpg kino

>>720204974
It sold millions because of dumbasses who never played the original 2 games thinking Diablo is supposed to be complete slop instead of something actually good.

>>720203742
For some reason, this image makes me want a Moses ARPG where you save all the slaves from Egypt.

>>720205274
>they're the dumbasses
>I can't get with the program
>but they're dumb

>>720204985
based

>>720206471
>the people spending money on slop aren't dumb

>>720207062
Imagine being poor and calling games slop because you can't play them.

>>720186412
I don't really care about endgame I finished D3 campaign maybe played a few hours of endgame and then quit. Is it worth buying this on discount and doing the same?

I think Diablo IV is a really good game.

Those two voice actors, the main character and the old guy, they’re carrying the entire game.
The antagonists are interesting, it actually makes me stop and read lore in the world.

The combat is frenetic too. It really makes you focus in on higher difficulties and there’s this zone you slip into to really concentrate when taking out mobs.

And the builds and stuff man, there’s so much voice and stats there, it’s crazy.

The only bad things I’d say about the game is that most bosses feel underwhelming and that the horse camera is too zoomed in. Darksiders Genesis fixed that issue already.

It’s genuinely a 9/10 game. Really good stuff. I’m guessing all the issues people have with it are from the endgame content, which I can’t comment on.

>>720207270
>refusing to spend money on something is the same as being unable to spend money on something

>>720207270
I literally played it for free thanks to wow gold.
Still a bad game though.

The only gameplay of D4 I liked the look of was the character creator. Glad I didn’t fall for it.

>>720207539
>I never played it
>but here's my totally valid assessment of it
You are a LIAR. You LIE. You are DISHONEST. You CAN'T BE TRUSTED.

>>720207996
>this game is slop so I won't buy it
>"NUH UH YOU NEED TO PLAY IT TO SAY THAT!!!"

>>720207631
People use character creators in 2025? Just use the default.

Are you really going to let lazy studios have you do their work for them?

had a blast with D4

>>720208341
You need to know what you're talking about to talk about it, yes. You might as well tell me about sex, knowing you have no experience with it (well, with anyone other than your uncle).

Can someone explain the lore of this series? Is Sanctuary like a planet or something

>>720208940
>looking at gameplay videos isn't enough you need to actually spend money on it

>>720208990
A huge being used to exist.
It decided to remove it's evil part and keep only the good part.
This way the evil part gave birth to demons and hell while the good part gave birth to heaven and the angels.
An angel and a demon who were tired of the endless conflict fled and created the sanctuary and the humans who used to be called nephelim and be a lot stronger.

didnt they start recycling mechanics in d3 seasons?

>>720209092
>I watched videos of a game, therefore I'm experienced in the game
/v/, everyone.
That's every poor here. You post DF videos and regurgitate what your favorite eceleb says. You know dick and can't hold an actual conversation about the topic. We need to make the internet American-only again.

>>720209212
Diablo 3 is in maintenance mode, Diablo 4 will share the same fate soon.
Ironically, the only alive Diablo game is Immortal because it is not being made by blizzard.

>>720186412
d3 was great at launch, had some rocky bits between loot 2.0 and sets ending up adding 50,000% damage but in the end it became its own thing which I thought was okay but not what I'd wanted
I've had more qualms with d4 than the entire run of d3 though which sucks. They're too invested in item affix quantity over quality (lucky hit is fucking retarded) and they'll never go away from the dumb builder + spender skill system

>>720209230
Oh so it's MY fault that demos don't exist anymore and that I don't want to throw money around on a game I'm not interested in because it looks like slop?
All I said is that it's slop anyway, you're acting like I'm talking about the mechanics of the game you fucking spastic.

>>720209443
Overall Diablo 3 is a game that is well worth its money.
Diablo 4 is not.
Everything is a step down from Diablo 3.

>>720209445
My god you're greasy

>>720209497
>played 16 hours of D3 (in 2022, so don't say "RoE made it good" because it didn't) and never went back
>played well over a thousand of D4
Methinks you're wrong.

>>720209230
You've created an unwinnable scenario. You claim you can't criticize a game unless you own it. But if you own it, your opinion also can't be trusted.

>>720209505
Meaningless. Cope and seethe about me not spending money on Blizzard's most recent Diablo slop you dumbass shill.

>>720209554
if d4's movement was as good as d3 then d4 would be a lot better to me. As it is though, it's a clunky, slow empty world made for horses and teleporting and dungeons made for slowly backtracking still

>>720209560
You have to have played it, which you haven't. In this case, yes, it requires owning it since piracy is impossible and counterproductive.
>>720209621
I bet you played games with "craft" in the name, Blizzdrone.

>>720209727
If I was a "Blizzdrone" I would've bought D4 you dipshit.

>>720209621
Be quiet. We run the grease racket in this town

>>720209813
No, Blizzdrones are people who have played any Blizzard games that aren't Diablo.

>>720209905
what if I only played diablo and warcraft on psx and starcraft on n64

>>720209905
Last I checked it meant anyone who worships Blizzard and buys everything they make first thing but cool, change the definition to fit this argument because me calling Diablo 4 slop hurt you so badly.

>>720186785
Yeah, as a Diablo game it sucked ass (and still sucks ass) but as an ARPG party game its a great evolution from games like Gauntlet.

The only thing that is currently holding the game back IMO (besides not being actively developed on anymore) is that the console versions of the game are just better, if they just bite the bullet and add all of the console gimmicks, controller support along with the couch COOP and make the game playable offline I would actually recommend it at full price to people.

I'd argue the same for D2:R, the only real selling point for the remake is that it has controller support on PC and it has better graphics that makes the game more easily readable at a glance, but the PC version is hamstrung by their shitty "always online" bullshit and for the fact that the original game still got MUCH better community support thanks to mods that honestly are more like new expansion packs.

>>720210456
ARPGs are so much better on console it’s unreal.

>>720210037
If I worshipped Blizzard, I wouldn't play only 3 of their games, would I? I'd be playing WoW and grinding hobbits in Faggotshire for sparkleshards so I can be the ultimate Horde Penismancer. Like you.

I’m listening to the title theme for Vessel of Hatred right now, and it sounds very familiar. Sounds like an N64 Zelda track. Spirit Temple or something.

>>720186412
What do people even do in D4?
Farming bosses for mythics is fucking is so boring you will lose all your love for video games

>>720186412
they're just going to turn it into d3 with better graphics

IV’s OST at times makes me wish it was some other genre of game.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=AVAi6JRSjRM&list=PL9_hLLQiqKg2apRvAGXXcHpekHLCjcajR&index=2&pp=iAQB8AUB

>>720210645
They removed item sets from Diablo 3 because they were locking the player into using certain skills and instead they have added uniques that also force the player into using certain skills or be useless in higher difficulties.
There is no build variety, it's just an illusion.

>>720186785
Diablo 3 seasons get boring after a single weekend. If you arent doing GR70+ the day you hit level cap then you must be retarded.

>>720210886
Bot post?

>>720186412
i enjoyed the story campaign for d4 and didnt bother with the infinite endgame bullshit. after hearing the campaign for the dlc was kinda short and shit i have no desire to return any time soon

>>720199708
I don't like how it takes forever to unlock slots. Plus they ruined muh boy, the Druid.

Diablo 4
>You don't even fight Diablo

Diablo 4: Mephisto expansion
>You don't even fight Mephisto

What a letdown

>>720210541
I've always thought that the control scheme for the genre is retarded, especially now that pretty much every modern game supports WASD, controllers or both.
It's like all of the purists finally snapped out of whatever nostalgia-educed delirium they were in and realized that a game giving you CTS at record speeds isn't a good way or even a decent way to play a game and that the gameplay actually becomes more diverse if your able to move AND aim at the same fucking time instead of whipping the mouse back and fourth like your trying to give your wrists whiplash.

The hing that controllers sucks at though is navigating quickly through menus and precisely aiming abilities, but since none of that is needed 90% of the time it still works perfectly fine if not better than the old click style of movement.

>>720211439
WASD is pure shit bro

>>720211576
Name a single reason why it's worse than any other alternative

>>720211396
>Splinter Cell
>>you don't even get cellular splinters

>>720211759
>Syphon Filter
>It's not a game about plumbing

They didn't save Diablo 3

>>720211821
I would have also accepted "stealing gasoline."

>>720197391
>and also still looks good
Diablo 3 was one of the most hideous games ever on the day it was released anon. You cannot be serious.

>>720209443
>d3 was great at launch
you didnt play at launch, stop lying
loot 2.0 and removal of rmah made the game 10000x better

>>720186412
It's too console friendly, they gutted the skills and passive system.

>>720212126
sure as fuck I played at launch and I didn't do any of that retarded shit like die at the a2 event where an npc raised a platform with a chest to get easy exp
loot 2.0 went way too hard on shiny drops. should have been half of what it ended up being but instead just like lod they killed rare quality altogether
removing rmah was fine but they removed the gold auction house with it killing all trading. completely fucking stupid

>>720199708
The first 40 hours is completely mindlessly easy even on the hardest available difficulty and I completely lost interest.

Act bosses die in 15 seconds without you ever taking damage. There's literally no challenge to be had from anything. It's insane.

I don't understand that design choice. I know you can unlock harder difficulties after you beat the campaign, but the campaign is retardedly boring due to the default "hard" difficulty being absolute baby shit.

>>720202409
Man it's a good thing you never made it to the end of Act 1

>>720211030
No, you fucking retard. It's a cold, harsh truth.

>>720212272
if you actually played at launch youd know even getting past a2 start was borderline impossible bec loot was horrible and people farmed mira eagan for hours on end in hopes of getting a weapon without mismatched attributes
then there were unkillable mob-packs and mobs in act2 that simply oneshot you from range, it was horrendous
so stop pretending, you werent there

>>720186412
Playing poe2 fuck off

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>>720186412
It will enter maintenance mode after they get the expansion bux IF the expansion doesn't get canceled first
>some seasons launch bugged to near unplayable states
>the players WILL beta test in the PTR otherwise the season launches fucked
>expansion did a stat squish at bricked 90% of all uniques that are still bricked to this day
>expansion cost 40% and gave us a 25% bigger map with the same content of the original game along with a class nobody asked for (some poe seasons give more then this and the game free and this is a SEASON not expansion)
>major bugs can last multiple seasons even when people constantly bitch they want them fixed
>no diablo in diablo
>no cow level in diablo
>no set items in diablo (the games been out over two years)
>TEMPERING EVERYONE wants it changed and or removed "everyone"
>players ask for better end game and the D4 devs google a poe end game fight and add phases to D4 bosses thinking this is what they meant when its not
>the end game meta right now is buy/trade for duped boss mats for the ONE boss that doesn't have phases
>dupes
>diablo immortal gets cool cross-overs and D4 doesn't
>when D4 does get a cross-over we gotta pay for it while diablo immortal gets it for free (D4 had to buy berserk skins if they wanted them & immortal got them for free)
>its known that the mass majority of the players are unhappy with the game and the response to this was to overhaul the in battle pass system
>many feel that not only is this one of if not the most predatory battle pass system to date but its also a downgrade to the original in ways
>the game (though not common) will throw a pop-up to visit the in-game shop which can and has killed players (hardcore players)
>they have patched the in game shop which caused lag while patching killing players (hardcore players)
>poe has mercs, D2 has mercs, D3 has mercs, D4 mercs that aren't mercs and instead a walking cosmetic, you cant equip them, they are just walking shitty buffs

>>720186412
>no redemption for the cool angel in story, just Lilith sloppa
>new class; black man savage guy.
The paladin was black and cool. At least make something fun and cool Blizzard.

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>>720212857
lmao suck a dick.

>>720213358
a whole five months after launch, wew lad
you sure proved me wrong!

>>720213358
the mad king was still doable on og inferno, it's the act 2 wasps that were the wall

>>720202409
(You)

>>720212578
You’re lying. Even playing on Hard and Expert are punishing.
The mental upkeep you have to keep to get through some of it when you’re at a reasonable level is insane.

>>720213527
>goalposts
I didn't have the time to autistically play for 8-10 hours a day either. but whatever. you're still retarded for wanting 1000% increased drop rates and ever increasing rarities like some mobile game shitter

>>720213023
Not paying for your early access scam, Jonathan.

>>720213151
Very good post but the shills will not address it because they don't play the game.
I don't think that an expansion is feasible at this point, they have already scammed people twice.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=LChjkY2o1Nc

Damn that’s fucking nice. Post more tunes.

>>720186412
play throne of darkness

>>720214641
>throne of darkness
Nice graphics.

>>720213358
Nigga Act 1 inferno wasn't even hard. I spent 0 dollars on the real fag auction house and got to Act 2 no sweat on my monk while barely knowing what I was doing.
Act 2, however, began to wall me hard. I remember kiting and waiting for buff rotations just to kill single white wasp mobs in A2. I eventually got past everything slowly and got into A4 but I believe I was walled at that point and got bored.

>>720186412
a