I want you to imagine being a TF2 or L4D2 fan. After over a decade of waiting for a new game, Valve finally comes out with another game, and it's just more moba slop. Same exact shit as Dota. More learning 120 heroes, more figuring out item combos, more garbage only extreme techbro spergs actually enjoy. There is literally nothing here for you if you're not a MOBA sperg. You cannot force yourself to enjoy this garbage.You watch this happen with the full knowledge it was only made to milk the thoroughly dead esports cow. You watch the game's population go from 200k to about 40k (and dropping) once people realize it's just another manipulative pile of shit, where Valve desperately wants people in eastern EU and South America to shell out cash for crates and tournament passes. You watch this game get worked on constantly while the game you enjoy is ignored, the genre you enjoy is ignored, and nobody at Valve seems to understand what people (and not soulless spergs) want to play. Then the company who sucks this badly at video games makes several billion dollars annually anyway, proving capitalism is a fucking sham.
>>720187893It's a fun gamet. Played TF2 for over 1,300 hours
singleplayer games are masturbatoryevery compshit game has a casual communityall these games become a lot more fun when you stop taking them so seriously and just play in whatever elo you end up in
>>720187984Wow got a real oldfag over here
>>720188062>>720187893>Tf2 goes to shit because its a fun game and compfags ruined it>L4D2 goes to shit because Versusfags are too sweaty>Valve makes a game for them so they can't ruin others>This is bad somehow???
>>720187992people say shit like this in a game genre that is designed to press your face into the dirt if you dont play like a minmaxxing loser who researches the game day and night like its some kind of test
>>720187893i am a TF2 fan, and i'm still enjoying and loving deadlock even though im not a mobafag
>>720187893Ok but Deadlock is fun
Old Valve doesnt exist anymore. You have to be insane to expect a good game out of them.
>>720188138but in practice it only serves as a treadmill for 90% of the playerbase. no matter how sweaty you get, there will be someone sweatier or even just more talentedthe rewards for climbing are just bragging rights for 99.9% of playersso at that point does it matter if you press your face into the dirt and learn the minmaxing?no. you can just play the game and have fun and the EBMM gods will make sure you are engagedif you want to complain that the only FUN games of mobas are the even ones, go right ahead. that's a fair complaint. but no matter how good or bad you are you'll have to deal with that
>>720188126compfags didn't ruin TF2 because they have no powerThey were playing their own minigame on the side for years, and nothing happenedValve ruined TF2 by trying to turn it into an esports by bridging the gap between comp and casual. But there was no bridge to gap because comp was basically its own game, which had been established by the community for years, so they had no reason to give up shit like weapon bans and class restrictions.
the best part is watching them killing dota 2 so deadlock can cannibalize its corpsebecause, and only due to the fact that dota wasn't designed from the grounds up to sell skins, unlike deadlock.
>>720188126>compfags ask for 6s>get some bastardized retarded valve version that anyone that plays 6s would tell you it would fail>compfags just go back to playing their own self regulated bracketsthat shit was entirely valves fault.
>>720188653the backtracking will never not be funnyif valve actually succeeded you'd comptards would never shut up about how right they werenot interested in doing this shit again, so don't bother and just live in your delusion
>>720188653If they were so hellbent on pushing esports, I think highlander would've been a much better choice because at the very least all class are present. And also because I like highlander moreBut I also understand that having to find one of each class to find a match would've been nigh impossible. Also they needed 6v6 because overwatch was 6v6. This is why comp would've never worked in TF2.
>>720187893yeah it's painful
>Don't you feel personally betrayed that Valve didn't release a L4D3 that would be dead in minutes because the l4d community is nuclear cancer and a Team Fortress 3 with everything TFTumors wanted nerfed nerfed?No and also sex with the 8ft tall Latina GarginaMy ass is waiting for the Steam Frame shit so I can play my 1k library of games on a virtual tropical island.Not so I can make a youtube video about the INJUSTICE of the schwicky schwag's overpowered reign of terror being over.
>>720187893she was better when she looked horrifying
>>720188126>compfags ruined itJUST. REVERT. MYM.fuck, dont even do that at this point, just kill the official servers. Thats all tf2 needs to go back to being good.
people that hate capitalism don't want to admit it, but they have reasonable alternatives and choose to hate capitalism instead.
>>720188917>AIIIIIEEEEE OFFICIAL MATCHMAKIMG IS STEAAAALING MY PLAYERS CORRECT THIS INJUSTICENo it ain't.
>>720188830the schwicky schwag wasn't nerfed enough, it should have -40% damagefuck that piece of shit and its goddamn slightly faster rockets
>>720187893I know it's just a disguised TF2 thread but if Artifact and Underlords somehow didn't disillusion you before than you simply weren't paying attention.Even the biggest fanboys here knew they were blemishes on what used to be Valve's near perfect track record.
>>720189054valve mistakenly thought dota 2's popularity as an esport meant people actually cared about the universe/lore or whatever. still, it's baffling that they tried not once but twice to make dota something more than a moba/esports. even the show was really bad. deadlock is a clean slate for them, and honestly i don't blame them for making dota 3 a new ip.
Is Deadlock going to be the first big budget title that dies in Early Access like this?
>>720188979it is'casual' is fucking garbageyou're a zoomer
>ITT people conspiracy theorying on why valve does things>in reality from the literal documentary you can watch on youtube: durr what if just did x for the fuck of it
>>720187893dont care, op is a mega faggot
>>720189281I actually paid for tf2 jokes on you.
>>720187893Yes, yes, HOWEVER Paige has excellent legs so it's okay.I don't play games anymore anyway, haha!
>>720188985scrub lol
>>720188653>compfags ask for shityes, we agree they ruined everything
>>720188805>highlanderno, compfags are retarded no matter the format
>>720188551so the game sould have bewn the same have compfgs not existed? good to knowalso nice revisionism, compfags were loud as shit to get valves attention and they got it, ot was a mokeys paw but they got it
>>720187984Same>t. 3,500 hrs dating back to 2013Been apart of the closed beta since mid last year and racked up 500 hrs. Seeing this game take shape in real time has been sick, they've done a great job of changing so much without impacting the core gameplay loop.The ASSFAGGOTS stigma is warranted, though. Noobs are practically required to watch Youtube guides for new players to understand what the fuck is happening in a match. The current in-game tutorial either only skims over mechanics or doesn't mention them at all.I don't want a TF3 if Deadlock is the way all Valve games will be from now on, though. Valve's marriage to compfaggotry makes me doubt they will carry any of TF2's stupid fun bullshit over to a sequel.
>>720189881Valve had the final say. They did not have a gun to their heads. And they ultimately did it not because compgfaggots were loud, because who gives a fuck about some retards ttaking the funny shooter too seriously, but because they wanted to turn TF2 into another CS:GO/DOTA 2What is it with people trying to shift blame from Valve?What is it with people thinking Valve can do no wrong>OH NOT VALVE. NOT MY VALVE. THEY WOULD NEVER. THEY DID HALF LIFE. AND PORTAL. LOOK AT THE FUNNY FAT MAN. HE GIVES YOU DEALS!shut up nigger
>>720187893for the love of god, those games came out like 20 years ago. all the devs who made it moved on. for valve to continue any of their other franchises, it would be made from a new devised team
>>720190127>We didn't literally push the make update button>We only completely swamped the media scene for TF2>Intentionally fed them crap data during play tests we were invited to>Directly asked for the specific changes that were implemented>But it's ENTIRELY Valve's fault the Compfag update was bad and also thry need to listen to our increasingly retarded demands that never stopped despite being ignored for 10 years.
>>720187893Okay but sex with Ivy
>>720190127>nothing that disproves that if compfgs never existed the game would have stayed the sameexpected, you are a retard, a revisionist retard at that>they wanted to turn TF2 into another CS:GO/DOTA 2thats a retarded assumption, and a wrong one at that, because they already know a tryhard mode wouldn't sell because THEY ALREADY HAD ARENA AND TOOK IT OUT YOU STUPID REVISIONIST NIGGER.they knes the game was better as a casual experience, in you stupid ass logic they took what worked and turned it inside out for no reason at all? are ypu dumber than i thought?even if we follow ypur atupid logic, IM STILL RIGHT because what would led them to believe a competitive mode would have any legs to stand?! compfags you idiot
>>720190485Wasn't arena fun?
>>720188126It's bad because uh...Bros how do we respond?
>>720191661Because it doesn't unfuck matchmaking system in the former and the ban on mods in versus mode from the latter? It's been years but I recall some "compfag" balancing from the last stand update too.There's the (you) you desperately craved.
>>720191720So another game coming out would unfuck it?What point are you trying to make?
>>720191720>Couldn't control yourself and frontloaded your post crying that Valve is stealing players from youIt's almost impressive how malevolent and stupid you are.
>>720191782How so? You think Paulo is gonna quit sweating in L4D versus to play a moba...? VS L4D is it's own thing.>>720191795Do you think I'm a compfaggot? It's the opposite, someone who plays the game the way you're supposed to (play pubs without autistic rulesets)
>>720187893>L4D2 fanExcept I already am. I enjoy deadlock but I can't deny I'm pissed off that their resources are being put into a moba that may as well be a hero shooter, just another reason to hate modern valve i guess>B-B-BUT ITS NOT A HERO SHOOTERyes it is stfu
>>720191890The worst players in DL currently are rivals/ow trannies that think it's "just a hero shooter" and throwing matches playing with pure shooter grug brain tho
>>720191875Real human beings and not compfaggots and youtubers don't cry about "official" servers stealing players from them.They invite their friends/clansmen to a game and if other people show up, cool, if not, whatever.
>>720191598>get killed once and you have to wait until the point is capped or until the whole team is dead to play againnot as fun as the other modes and they know it, what makes that retarded nigger think that valve added an unfun and niche mode like comp just because of go and dota is beyond me
>>720188138it IS a competitive game. why play a competitive game if you're gonna complain how much you suck ass
>>720192021because historically the tf "team" was a revolving door of devs, no coincidence all the comp/esports cancer came after porting campaigns and cases from csgo.
>>720192021I disagree. Arena was fun, in that prophunt hunter kind of way. 1 chance or you're dead.Reminds me of Rambo mod in Soldat 2d, but if everyone was Rambo.
>>720188138>dotalike game>minmaxxingto win in dota you become the most shithead you can possibly be towards the enemy team.
>>720187893They just need to add alternate game modes or let people fuck with the game like dota arcade
>>720192021>>720192186IMO arena mode always sort of sucked outside of Juggernaut modes like Versus Saxton Hale or the port of The Hidden, or extra quirky stuff like prop hunt.Deathmatch type games work better in tf2, like Player Destruction.
>>720192168another stupid conclusion, youre on a roll
Don't care, post Ivy
Why is it always TF2 trannies hating on Deadlock? Half Life, Portal, L4D and Dota bros are happy for us Deadlock players and support us, but TF2 trannies seethe like fucking crazy, like as if Deadlock was taking away dev resources from TF2.
the most fun part about playing deadlock beta was seeing icefrog make the exact same design mistakes he did with dota over 20+ years, except in turbocharged mode. something might come of it.
>>720193269I can assure you the people that actually like TF2 aren't whining.
>>720192541Arena would be even better if there was an integrated RPG minimod analogue and maybe a series of preliminary fast respawn rounds, before the final no respawn round.Maybe some map boosts and cool pickups.>RPG systems allows nonlinear combat capabilities, trait and item selection is concealed>first round is deathmatch to grind skills, bots optional>second round is for the point, long capture rate, plus maps have items that must be capped or destroyed to unlock the point>all teams get extra RPG points>winners get a team scale defense bonuses + selectable individual boons for point cappers>losers get partisan abilities, more extra points, attack skill roster and also individual boons>last round is normal arena with RPG, or FFA arena with RPG
>>720193325Indeed.
>>720193325>>720193269Deadlock is literally TF3It's L4D chuds who are crying
>>720193771And of-course, wacky RPG options and legendary options.>a skill to forcefully reshuffle teams>a skill to bring 1 enemy into your team>a skill to summon phylactery bots>pseudo teams>artificial arena extenders>resurrection skills>player hijackingEtc.
Trying to force this into a community squabble is pointless. Has Valve mistreated TF2? Yeah. Has the community for TF2 also got significantly worse? Fuck yes. I still love the game dearly, but I don't see it like I did even a mere 10 years ago.Deadlock is probably going to meet the same fate, but for now I get to have fun as suicide bomber bebop and unkillable Viscous. Cannot wait for the other game modes to be released.
>>720193221I liked the old model better.
>>720194101New one is a good inbetween "cute" and "monster", but I do miss my goblina.
>>720194138The new one's alright, but they made her eyes too big and cute. She should have scary eyes.
>>720187893Didn't readCute gargoyle
>>720187893I'm hoping it will have a coop mode like MvM with a good playerbase. I seriously hope Valve understand that MOBAs are WAY past their prime and hype period. They can only benefit from a well made coop mode.>>720188126>>720188979>>720190421>>720191795Kill yourselves you cocksucking serfs.Remind me again how long did it take for Valve to gather enough fucks and get off their obese ass to fix the bots/ddos invasion? Yet here you are pretending they can do no wrong. Imagine simping for companies this hard over your fellow man.Kill. Your. Self.
>>720194101>>720194138>>720194445I haven't played since she was updated, comp games are too stressful on my pea brain. Is it bad or just different?
>>720194637The model looks great, by all means. But it's not the same fuckugly goblin creatura I fell in love with.
>>720193221
>>720194616TFTumors and compfags are not my "fellow man" and I wish you a very fuck off permanently.
>>720194616MvM styled co-op would work very well for this game and it already sounds like they are experimenting with other objectives.>>720194727Yeah it's a great model but it just isn't the same.
>Try to look up fanart for pic related to post in this thread>Like 60% of it is him and Drifter being shipped togetherOk then.
>>720187893I love seeing Valve fail repeatedly at game dev.I fucking love it.
>>720187893I'm 5 matches in and it's fun but I just get raped by people who are obviously not new> it was only made to milk the thoroughly dead esports cowanyone who believes this is retarded. valve abandoned dota 2 tournaments which made them hundreds of millions with little effort.>makes several billion dollars annually anyway, proving capitalism is a fucking sham.actually that proves valve puts out products people are willing to pay for and consider worth more than their dollars.
>>720194951Who did you play in those 5 matches and how did you go in them? I can probably give you some pointers.
>>720194727It's very cute and well done but yeah, very much less of a "Gargoyle that came to life". I wonder if valve was actually wanting to make her cute or just wanted to cash in on her popularity.
>>720195012Considering the original model, it probably always was the plan to make her a bit monsterish and "ugly", but saw how many people "cutified" her.Then again, it probably might not have been, the heroes that got facelifts got some massive facelifts.
>>720195005wraith, paige, and flubber.>how did you go in themidk
>>720187893>Tranny Faggots 2
>>720195290>4tran
>>720195165Unfortunately I'm not much of a player of the first two, but viscous is really versatile in how to play him. Just general pointers I can give for goo lad:>Use the goo ball in tight spaces, no need to try and steer the thing when tight spaces auto does it for you.>Git gud at puddle punching, it is the thing that makes Viscous a monster in both mobility and positioning the enemy. I would say load up the sand box and get used to the timing of the punches.>Make good use of THE CUBE during fights, it discourages enemies from going too hard on a target in fear of doing literally nothing to them.>Don't underestimate the gun, you can go gun items to really make good use of the fire rate>Your objective in lane is to survive and harass as much as you can. Your objective in late game is to be an annoying goo ball that can't die.But this might be getting too much in the nitty gritty for a beginner, the main thing is to survive in your lane and punish the enemy for trying to get to you. Once guardians are destroyed, you can rotate between the jungle camps or go help team mates.
>>720194616>>720194792I've had my fingers crossed for a coop mode since day 1. As an old HoN player I don't mind the main moba mode, but I'm really hoping for something more casual.>>720195012>>720195095I honestly don't think fan influence had much to do with it. I get the idea that Valve was just feeling out different styles for the game, and probably tried leaning more into the horror aesthetic early on. There's an old Vindicta concept art floating around that depicts her as a horrifying zombie, for instance. The old Ivy came from that era of development, but as things progressed, they leaned into a more colorful and stylized look, and Ivy was brought into line with the rest of the visuals.
>>720195453True, the pulpy comic art style we've been getting recently is definitely a more coherent change. The colours really pop right now.
>>720188138why did u do this to flora
What I'm looking forward to is the modding. DOTA Arcade game modes are really fun, so having that in a fully 3D game with movement is going to be so good.How long before someone makes a TF2 game mode so we can have TF on Source 2?
>>720188917Valve server is great idea, just get rid of the sv_pure 1 and the needless matchmaking system.At the time, community servers were getting cocky and shoving ball shaver pinion ads on your face every 5 minutes.
Maybe TF2 and L4D are dead because it's 99.99% slavmutt eastern europe shitskin cheaters, have you considered that?
>>720193269Dotards hate Deadlock too, they just aren't the specific brand of annoying and delusional that the modern TF2 tranny is.
>>720195894>Dotards hate Deadlock toono they dont
>>720195530All in all, I do like the direction the game is going, visually. The hub, the new characters, the map changes all look great. And under any other circumstance, I would be happy about the devs making their characters cuter. But Ivy is an exception. Her ugliness was part of her charm. I think the mountain of pre-rework fanart she received attests to that.
>>720195964Yes they do, they think it's the reason they aren't getting battlepasses anymore.
>>720196042they just got one
Anyone expect these voice lines to be so good? Doorman goes without saying, Drifter is fantastic, but I love the interactions certain characters have, like Vyper and Lash or Dynamo and Pocket.
>>720196114vyper brings back happy memories of wisconsin
>>720196064No they got a compendium, which doesn't have the leveling system, arcanas, or exclusive rewards and is just focused on the esports that none of the players care about. They just want shiny cosmetics.
>>720195650>Tranny Faggots 2
>>720196303>Steam forums>Not a hellscape of gay retards sockpuppeting nonexistent outrage trying to convince people that thepeople they dislike are actually bigger faggots
I like Deadlock but it lacks in content right now. Needs more heroes, more variety on the map, more maps and more gamemods including community made ones.
>>720196445I get similar reactions if I bring it up in the in-game chat. At best I'd say dotards (people who exclusively play dota) are ambivalent towards it.
>>720196598>I act like a huge faggot and people get annoyed or ignore meReally? I never would have guessed.
>>720196550>more variety on the map, more mapsDota 2 has only one map. I'm not disagreeing with you, I also want more maps, but I'm saying that it's not a given.
Why not take deadlock and make a payload map for it without items or levelling so casualfags can stfuBasically overwatch
>>720196793the different control scheme + perspective would make different maps huge for gameplay, unlike dota where it would play nearly the sameeven the arcade for dota has only had like 3 alternate maps for regular gameplay in the 10 years it's been up, there's no demand for it.
>>720196793Dota also has Overthrow and if bring up Smite it had like 5 modes and 3 maps for one of these modes.I get it that designing a balanced map for a game like this is tough, but I would love to see just more variety in general even if only in the form of other gamemodes. After all there's a lot of potential with this noir 19-20 century theme - London, Paris, Berlin, Chicago.
5 games loss streak, every game every lane loses, every game against a full stack while I'm playing solo. The matchmaking is absolutely bonkers.
>>720197023London is a no brainer with the occult theme and time period, paris maybe
>>720195415thanks
>>720194727Her neck is so wide
>>720188126>>Tf2 goes to shit because its a fun game and compfags ruined itHuh? What did "compfags" have to do with the Sniper vs. Spy update?
>>720196550This is probably the best time to be excited for this stuff, since Valve according to in game files are going throw shit at the wall with the main ritual game mode as the "sure thing".
>>720194879Need more doorman art of him doing Jerma faces.
>de-ages THE MILFI will never forgive Valve for this
>>720197618also looks too cartoonish now with the south korean surgeon chin
>>720197618Well, isn't it her whole thing? That she was so obssessed with stopping aging that she made a deal with demon side. So makes sense. Would be cooler though if she was aging as she loses health but then would get younger after using her ult.
I really, really, really, really hope Warden gets more dialogue and interactions eventually, he is so boring right now even though I can think of so many interactions like Haze basically saying the OSIC knows what his real motives are or Seven starting shit with him.
>>720197792isn't his whole thing that he REALLY hates the patrons and his wish for them would be "kys"
>>720197896Yes, but I want to know if he is hiding his intentions with the other cast and if so, what is his cover story.He's got nothing to him right now except a design that doesn't quite fit his backstory and a generic stoic personality. At least his kit can be fun.
>>720187893TF2 doesn't need changes, it's perfect and will continue to exist for the players who enjoy it.L4D needs a new game, completely agreed.Deadlock is a new fun game. Why is it so bad that a developer tries to make a new IP rather than just rehash an existing IP?
>>720197792>Warden shit talking Doorman being an elder god that used to torture humanity>Warden having a reserved respect for Talon for being one of the founders of the Baxter Society>Some voice lines here and there with people mistaking him for an actual cop (Except Seven who knows what a cop is supposed to act like).Give me other character interactions, I want to try and guess where his character is going to go.
>>720197618Is this official art? From a Valve game? They don't do this ever
>>720198465>huge ass>absolute territory>"come here boy" lookValve can be based but not THAT based
The only reason why I like Deadlock is the movement tech. Reminds me of Gunz the Duel even when it's nowhere near as cool as Gunz.Also Vis and Dynamo are fucking fun.
>>720198123>Why is it so bad that a developer tries to make a new IP rather than just rehash an existing IP?valve shot themselves in the foot by releasing 3 beloved multiplayer games and the cycle will continue with deadlock when they move on from it after 15 years post release.
>>720199098I had the feeling they've hardly ever done stuff like this ever, the closest is that ridiculous half life 1 concept art and the black ops to a degree
>>720187893deadshlock
>>720199116I fell like the new map completely ruined Vis, his ult is now almost impossible to use in most of the map.
>>720199846I'm kind of a scrub but yes. Funny enough this made me learn Mo&Krill and Lash. M&K is fun as fuck, just dunking on the carry like nothing feels the best.
>>720199098Geist does have a big ass in the game, though.
>>720200502Would have been even bigger if that didn't cause clipping issues. Paige has a similar situation going on.
>>720200502>>720200554buttlock
>>720200502
>>720200554Man... skins are going to be DELICIOUS
>>720200554Said clipping issues in the older model.
>>720187893What if you were a Counter strike fan?>>720188126Why do people still blame comp players when all the nerfs were done for casual players
>>720187893I enjoy deadlock, TF2 and L4D fans can die mad about it
>>720201246Because it was done for you retards and you retards run damage control and make MORE demands of Valve to this fucking day.
>>720202709All the changes were done for casuals though Plus, Solarlight already debunked this
>>720193221>>720194608Based
>>720199468Only 3?
>>720202201must be fun to be underage kys fag
>>720203050Debunk your dick you gayass tranny you're here doing it now.
>>720195967Damn, i haven't seen that drawing in a while
>>720203442Cute ugly girl...
>>720203585SOVL
>>720203585Ivy's old 1 icon looks like a steaming turd.
I want you to imagine being an Artifact fan and being lied to.Valve screwed over the Artifact fanbase by cancelling the Artifact 2.0 beta without even allowing users to invite friends like they said they would in January 2021 and does not deserve your financial support for these gross consumer-unfriendly practices.
>>720204270I want you to kill yourself
>>720195650valve themselves will probably make some sort of payload of koth modes probably
>>720204210That's kinda hot
Why are we back to replying on bait threads instead of making normal Deadlock ones?
>>720188138You can play unoptimal in lower ELO and enjoy evenly balanced matches.
>>720203298>tell anon to die mad about it>he does Neat.
>Victor>drop in the middle of fight>Aura+Jumpstart+Infuser+Fleetfoot+Scourge+Battery spam>mash buttons without aiming >win
>Troons and autists from TF2>mentally deranged browns and russians from Dota>cheaters from counter strikeDeadlock has the potential to have the worst playerbase of any multiplayer game ever
>>720205669Why do complete fucking retards act like they can get away with declaring cheating to being a uniquely Valve game issue like it hasn't been endemic to online gaming for at least the past 10 years?
>>720187893feels like valve hired too many deviantart deviants with no taste...
>>720205804Because everyone that plays other FPS games alongside counter strike sees that the problem is by far the worst in counter strike and Valve barely even combat it, and in some ways fucking encourage it (top premier ranks are pretty much just cheaters for everyone to see).
>>720206143Again>Why do complete fucking retards act like they can get away with declaring cheating to be a uniquely Valve game issue
>>720194879Why Drifter? Because they're both attractive?
>>720206496Both are on opposite ends of the "pretty boy" spectrum? Fuck if I know.
>>720206496I suppose it's the contrastDoorman is the very immaculately groomed classy twink while Drifter is the hyper masculine serial killer hobo, also Southern
>>720187893It's time to make your own game, OP. If you want TF3 then do it yourself instead of whining that other people aren't catering to your whims.
>>720205150when is he making more mireska?
Why don't I see people build gun Warden more? All I see is purple when I look at people's builds and I know he's going to be a tank that does almost nothing but annoy me slightly after his ult ends. Tried playing him like that and it's so boring, I didn't feel like I had much impact either outside maybe contributing some damage in one or two teamfights.Building (Whatever) into Quicksilver Reload - Close Range - Fleetfoot - Kinetic Dash - Heroic Aura - Close Range upgrade - Fortitude - Blood Tribute - Frenzy and picking up the 800 soul ammo item somewhere in there lets you shoot fast, hit kinda hard and fucking ZOOM across the battlefield when you activate all your movement speed items. Do whatever afterwards but with that core (could possibly replace Frenzy) you become near omnipresent and can chase or escape pretty much as you will. Sell Aura first if you need more space for actives but you better have Juggernaut or you won't be zooming.I just hate to see these Wardens chain themselves. It's just not right.
>>720196793Dota 2 has a few map skins. Same layout, different visuals.
>>720207003Waifufaggotry compels him every few months, I miss when he drew Naga desu
>>720207213I miss Marci
I kinda like it but I'm not a fan of the moba shit. I am cautiously optimistic for the other game modes.
>>720188979>five minutes of koth pass>tobuscus doors close >half the server disconnects Cool system you got there
>>720189201>valve mistakenly thought dota 2's popularity as an esport meant people actually cared about the universe/lore or whatever.I'm actually quite interested in the setting of Deadlock.
>>720189201>even the show was really badIt wasn't even written as something Dota related, it was a script that the Korra retards had shelved but somehow got the Dota rights and just changed some names, nobody involved ever played the game. It's a storied shitshow.>>720207873It's bizarre how interesting they've managed to make a setting in Deadlock that they slapped together in a few months after canning Neon Prime, which despite having gone far longer in development, was completely lame and derivative garbage. Genuine lightning in a bottle moment.
>>720207738This relates to the game stealing players from you beyond outing what pride parade your faggot ass is marching with how?
>>720199553I mean Valve has never made ugly girls but even modest sexualization is surprising from them.Fits the setting though.
>>720205368sause?
>>720195650Well, there are already simple modes like skins and icons. But yeah, hope they release map creation tools. Sadly Dota Arcade is shit in many ways that features mostly worse versions of WC3 maps. With the biggest downside of nobody playing them
>>720209958/vg/
>>720193269TF2 was a drop in and play kind of game. Yes it had tech and you could whup ass if you got gud, but you could also easily enjoy the game even if you suck at it or just got started. Deadlock was similar for maybe a few months, but once the MOBA autism kicked in that went away fast. Now it's just another Dota. If you try to drop in blind and figure things out on your own, you're going to get your ass kicked and make your team play 5v6. It's not a drop in and play kind of game. Very few online games are anymore, they all chase the esports dragon. People who remember when video games were actually made to be fun resent this new direction, especially when the people defending it are broccoli-headed, buck tooth, bouncing Adam's apple, Goofy's cousin looking-ass mulatto zoomies who weren't around for the good times.
>>720187893>I want you to imagine being a TF2 or L4D2 fanI am.>Then the company who sucks this badly at video gamesWell if they suck so badly at making video games, why do you care what garbage they make?>makes several billion dollars annually anyway, proving capitalism is a fucking shamThey run Steam, so no, it makes perfect sense.Deadlock is a PvP team shooter and that's what most of Valve's games are, including the good ones, including the two you named. It's not identical to those games because none of them are identical.
>third person shooterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rYKGVLBBpUtl;dw: Inconsistent sensitivity. Turning left is slower than right.
>>720210410>Deadlock is a PvP team shooter
>>720194801I like his edgy demeanour falls apart the second someone doesn’t take him seriously, Ivy was completely right to be confused by what he said it didn’t make any sense at all>you do good things so I do bad things>yeah..? Ok..?>because you do good things the bad things I do seem worse>No..?
Looking forward to it personally. You faggots can seethe. Was too late to get into Dota 2 and didn't really care about it, this looks like it'll be far more fun anyways. Also that pale purple ghost girl makes me diamonds.
>>720189054I'll argue that Artifact was well designed and had a ton of potential for fun decks...too bad it shat the bed by wearing the DotA IP and featuring poorly thought out monetization systemsand not being F2P
>>720204270>He doesn't know Artifact 2 will be a game mode in DeadlockNGMI
>>720189054underlords was a legitimately fun toilet game.they ruined it with the big update they did
>>720189054>>720211903The biggest reason for the failure of Underworlds and Artifact is that they chased trends. They were pretty good games but literally no one wanted them.Deadlock is different because it doesn't care about trends and does something relatively new.
>>720187893The one thing holding Deadlock back at the moment (besides not being a finished game) is a casual game mode. The current mode is pretty decent and fun if they just nail the balance but the game really needs something to court casuals with since they're always the largest part out of any community.If Volvo manages to chain the Hotpoo devs to the game and get them to make "Deadlock: It's Raining edition" then the characters and world design on it's own is going to make loadsamoney for them and it might turn into a good alternative for Risky now that Gearbox speedran that IP into the ground.
Incels have never recovered from the success of Deadlock
Why would I meed more content for l4d2? Its got 2 entire games worth of campaigns in it. The only improvement would be a way to stop the vote kicks that everyone just automatically votes yes for. Happened more times than I can count. At finale and a 4th person finally joins, they just vote kick someone, the 2 idiots who didnt get vote kicked immediately hit yes before reading it. The guy who was carrying since the beginning just got kicked. the new person who initiated the vote just leaves.
Ivy owes me sex
>>720187893Ya valve needs to do the valve thing and release a 30-year classic that revolutionizes the industry again. I'm still convinced they can do it but I'm not really sure what's stopping them other than playing it safe, which is antithetical to their history.
They're not going to fix TF2. They shit on it and moved on.You have to get over it.Ivy mating press.
Deadlock is fun so I don't really care. Gonna play it more after my shift.
>>720212929zexo
Every time I play Seven I activate some 2007 xXx_ang31_0f_d3Ath_xXx gamer cringe mode and it's fun as fuck, love him.
>>720187893The closest I have gotten to this trash is Monday Night Combat.I still remember faggots at my local 200-500 person lan begging for people to play DOTA (WC3 days) and nobody fucking cared so they had to drop it and give the prizes to a game that wasn't shit.Good times.
>>720187893There's been like 200 other zombie shooters and co-op shooters for Left 4 Dead fans to play, and TF2 fags are subhumans who deserve nothing.
>>720216726Name 3
>>720187893>me not choosing how other people spend their money is a SHAM and like so authoritarianHOLY SHIT STFU
>>720207068I used to get 800 DPS lategame when I played him before the item rework, building some sort of hybrid (root triggering could chunk like 30% of someones HP). you know his attack speed increases with spirit, right?
>>720187893TF2 and L4D are Valve's weakest games. Imagine being too retarded to play a moba.
>>720212510You could pretty much port overthrow from dota 2, which valve also made. In case you don't know, it works like this>goal is for your team to reach the kill # goal>is in teams of FFA/2/3/4/5, the map is different for each but is generally the same, it's small and round>everyone has their own fountain at the edge of the map, then there's a river, followed by forest, and finally the centre>in the middle of the map there's a ring, standing in the ring you get free gold and XP, the closer to the center you are the more you get>coins also spawn in the circle at random>on the edges of the map there are item spawn points, every so often a courier flies out from the middle and drops an item on the pre-announced spawn point, the item drop knocks you back so it's harder to campyou could basically port this straight off into deadlock and it would be fun from the start
>>720187893>MP slop fans upset the next MP slop doesn't target themwow, I feel so sad for them (no)
>>720188138>play sub-optimally and focus on having your own brand of fun>become fodder for tryhard enemies to snowball even harder, spend half the match with a grey screen>your team rages at you because they're playing to win and you've ruined your team's "fun" by not playing optimallyIt sucks that Valve is likely never going to make a truly fun multiplayer game again, their last 5 multiplayer games are low-player-count (as in how many players there are in a match) competitive tryhard shit (Deadlock, Underlords, Artifact, CSGO, Dota 2) and their last co-op game was Portal 2's co-op mode.
>>720187893I gave deadlock 200 hours, which I know is a nanosecond in mobafag world, but more than enough time for a normal person to figure out that this game is dogshit.
>>720206267Yeah we get it bro you think every guy that has a KD of 2.0 in battlefield is cheating
>>720218921Your idea of fun is NOT playing the game?
'vy on the /v/
Sex with Ivy
>>720220296Valve should make fun games again
>>720187893i'm a tf2 fan, never played a moba before and i got into deadlock super early (may 28th 2024, didn't even have 1k players yet) and i enjoyed it and have been playing it to this dayi don't care about valve ignoring tf2 that much, the only thing that annoys me is tgat they refuse to add new weapons, and i actually like the fact that they decided to finally make a new IP instead of aping their old ones endlessly
>>720187984you'd be surprised to know how little that means when youre talking about playing games.you're basically a Fotm fag in terms of time played. so on behalf of the whole fanbase dont speak for us.
>>720188138Dumb flora poster
this is the only multiplayer game that got me one of those jester awards in my profile by being a complete beginner and ask questions . i wish i could find and beat the squeeking bitch gifted me that clown. fuck this game
>>720195415>Once guardians are destroyed, you can rotate between the jungle camps or go help team mates.I like gooing in the sidelanes, tickling walkers, then puddle punching away when enemies show upRepeat until both side walkers are dead
>>720187893>dude this company that made good games 20 years ago is making a new game!nobody gives half a shit m8. valve being synonymous with quality hasn't been a thing since 2006 or whatever.
>>720223174you are getting too worked up over something that is extremely meaningless
doorman....
>>720187893Counterpoint:It's fun.
>>720188138Bro fucking release her
>>720221983I/v/y
>>720187893Every time I see these threads I remember the extremely brief moment all my friends were playing deadlock and I praise God that we all mutually decided it wasn't fun
>>720207068Gun Warden isn't as viable as it used to be, and his abilities are much more biased for Spirit usage. Flask+Ult is so broken it's not funny.I've been wanting to try Gun Warden because that's what I first played when I started out, but I'm at too high an MMR to experiment. The RoF scaling with Spririt is so good but now that the slots are not forced into categories anymore means you can't afford to spend on Spirit items if you're focusing on Gun.>Kinetic DashIntensifying Magazine or Active Reload seems better.
>>720221983>>720225683goyle
>>720193269Inferiority complexLook at this retard >>720210401 set up a strawman because he cannot fathom people enjoying things he doesn't like.
>>720187893You should have realized it was over the moment your lord and savior Gaben decided to twist TF2 and CS into gambling simulators with a focus on skill based matchmaking instead of the server community focused games they were.
>>720212510>>720217445Sounds fun, unfortunately Deadlock's team is hilariously incomptent by Valve standards.
>>720193269inferiority complexthat "tf2 players have thick skin" thing people used to say? a cope
>>720227831they are already working on alternative game modes, it's been leaked weeks ago
>>720187893Valve doesn’t want to make the same shit forever, they saw the moba market was the most stale in existence and wanted to try something new
>>720187893People say Valve won't make Half Life 3 until they can figure out a way to technologically push the IP, but that's a damn lie Valve just makes what they want to make and that unfortunately means moba trash.
I knew the game was still in development and stuff would change, but I really thought the devs would see how popular Ivy was and wouldn't change her because of thatI am devastatedat least they haven't touched Mo and Krill, other than nerfing the dig's damage
>>720230520Even current model is not final>at least they haven't touched Mo and KrillAnon...They are currently using Neon Prime model and are guaranteed to receive a significant redesign.
>>720230520>I really thought the devs would see how popular Ivy was and wouldn't change her because of thatDeep down I was hoping the same thing. There's just nothing else like her.
>>720187893What I find most offensive about Valve making another MOBA that will inevitably have a cash shop is that they have no fiduciary responsibility to any shareholders and own the largest digital games distribution platform on PC.They are greedy.
>>720231215Do you expect deadlock development to be an exercise in charity, or do you think they can justify its cost as "bringing players to steam"
>>720188138Gaben forbid a game has actually depth among a sea of casual slop
>>720231215I find 3rd worlders offensive. They don't pay for anything but act entitled to everything.
>>720230897I doubt their redesign will change much, I expect them to get the abrams/wraith treatment where their new model is just the current one with higher resolution
>>720230520alpha ivy even looked shitty for a gargoyle
>>720230520 They absolutely gutted her kit too. First they nerf her sap spam into the ground, then they mess with the roots, and now her passive doesn’t even work through shields? What’s the point of picking her over Varn at this rate? She went from a slippery crowd control menace to barely a lane annoyance. I'm clinging to Mo and Krill too but if they touch Krill's pull radius next patch I’m out.
>>720232409Krill could end up completely different, he's just a neon prime recolor. Everyone likes Mo though.
>>720233359I bet they'll make him a rat instead of that monkey alien thing
>>720233359I'm still partial to the idea of smol mob boss with big dumb goon trope but this looks good.
>>720187893I like deadlock but I can honestly agree with this sentimentI want a fun team based shooter or horde shooter without career skills and abilities and shit like Darktide/VermintideI've already played dota for 5000 hours I'm tired of MOBAs
>>720188551>>720188126Nobody ruined TF2, it aged.Games get old after a while.
>>720234565no, Valve absolutely killed it in 2016, and then abandoned it for the most part, except for bloating the map pool, which has only killed the game even further by stretching the already dwindling playerbase too thin. While also adding nothing but garbage cosmetics, which have also ruined the game visuallyTF2 could've aged gracefully if they had abandoned the game before MyM
>>720234797>2016I can't imagine still playing TF2 in 2016 and I have 10k hours It's time to let it go
>>720234565>>720235010>umm actually this claim you just made is not true>bro I don't care. so why do you care?kill yourself disingenuous nigger
>>720188649I can't imagine myself using skins in deadlock. The characters look fine and by this point I'm so familiar with them I may be Faker from league mode and just never even interact with the skin system at all.
>>720187893Sex with Ivy.
>>720235224Anon you making a random ass claim as to when a game that's still running "died" needs no rebuttal.You are a clown.
tf2 is dead and that's a good thing>t. 5k hours
>>720189201It isn't Dota 3. I wish it were but this game will be way too niche. I have 4 Dota fags who refuse to commit to deadlock because it's a shooter. So this Dota 3 shit is a lie they won't ever swap over. You can't make a dam rts moba players aim and shoot and wall jump around. These dumb fucking monkeys can barely handle left clicking to move and casting spells at the same time.
>>720231919>>720232342I’m an Anglo-Saxon from the southern United States. I would probably be down to play Deadlock if it wasn’t going to be another free to play game with a cash shop.
>>720236226>>720231919>>720232342To elaborate, in case you two are too retarded to understand what I’m saying: I would be interested in Deadlock if I had to cross a single paywall to play it. I am disappointed in Valve making yet another engagement-based matchmaking-fueled freemium cash shop e-sports adjacent piece of dogshit.
>>720236226>I’m [...] from the [...] United Statesbrown third worlder
>>720188126tf2 was an example of valve damaging the game with dumb decisions fuel by a fear of overwatch, but refusing to fix it even when they were still actively working on the game l4d2 is valve doing a poor job with versus in the first place and never fixing it or removing the ability to grief teammates or leave games mid-matchneither tf2 players or l4d2 players will move on to deadlock everything wrong with valve's games is ultimately valve's fault
>>720236437Alright man.
>>720236774bro is purple
>>720188917>just kill the official servers...or switch back to community ruled ad hoc hosting, none of this new and modern matchmaking ruleset bullshit
>>720237379Whoever wrote that ham sandwich people line in Disco Elysium got my ass pretty good. We do look like that.
>>720236774Fattie.
I have a positive winrate but Im Alchemist 2, howd you guys grind up?
>>720237829Surprisingly, no. That is maybe the least flattering picture I’ve ever taken of my hand before.
>>720190127>What is it with people trying to shift blame from Valve?What is it with people thinking Valve can do no wrongYeah no you're right, Valve did so much wrong by listening to only 1% of the community and shifting how the game is played actually.Compfags get the rope by all means.
>>720187893not true, my one friend who doens't like dota is the one who liked deadlock the most from our grouphe said he'd be into dota if all characters had guns like sniper and that's what he got with deadlock
>>720237486valve is just that incompetent and childish that removing the servers altogether sounds more feasible
>>720187893>a TF2 or L4D2 fanFortunately the vast majority of people who enjoyed TF2 or L4D gave up on Valve a long time ago
>>720236774we posting hands now
>>720187893I could see myself liking deadlock, hell, even getting deep into itbut I just can't while valve lets tf2 rot with casual-cancer
>>720236774Abrams?
>>720238997>Why hasn't Valve updated Tf2 yet? Its been 57 years since they promised the Heavy updateJust let it go
>>720239465it's hard doing that when they literally announced a new MvM update in the workslike what the fuck dude
You know with Valve throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks, I wouldn't mind a campaign mode with these characters. The campaigns they did for DOTA were neat.
Why the fuck don't Warden and Seven have any pregame chat? You'd think the cop would have something to say about the escaped criminal.
so tired of annoying tf2niggers expecting more from valve (17 years later!!!) when their precious dogshit kidsgame was orange box filler and nothing more. they stopped all actual updates when they realized they could farm their underaged retarded fanbase for le epic ghastly gibus hats (smart). play something better (like deadlock) and move the fuck on.
>>720240046Warden is just missing voice lines in general, I think it's because they haven't finalized any aspect of him quite yet. I personally want to see if anyone else knows of his true intentions or if he has a different cover story.>"Very ambitious of you Warden">"What are you talking about, seven?">"Pretending to be a member of the law, infiltrating the ritual and using the patrons to destroy each other. Very risky, but very clever">"I don't know what you are talking about">"Oh, but you do. Just know I will claim my rightful wish first, one way or another".
>>720240397Cringe Writing
>>720187893Agreed except the last sentence. Retards keep giving money to bad actors and it's out of my control if the n sample size majority are fucking mouth breathing mongoloids.I want off this Earth.
>>720240397As long as he's a cop and hates Infernus, I'm okay with changes. I like his no eyes design, like Asshole.
>Most of deadlock staff is from Dota and other games except Walker >BUH MUH VOLVO DONT CARE BOUT US #FIXTF2.For fucks sake.
>>720193269i used to play tf2 semi-competitively with people on mumble when matchmaking didn't even exist. i enjoy deadlock a lot. games like tf2 don't fly anymore but i'm glad deadlock is keeping the spirit of sweaty arena shooters alive.
>>720241371It aint just TF2 CS2 fans are also pissed at Valve, because thier new and shiny game got literally hit TF2 stages of abandonment so quickly. Valve either needs to hire more good devs or do something to keep thier games on the up and up because clearly there arent enough people there with all the projects they have going on, Even DOTA tards are complaining.
>>720242005Problem is that those games are over a decade old and most of original staff fucked off long ago.Can't expect any company stick around and make updates forever.
I don't have to imagine the scenario, I'm living it every damn day. And then they buy up another dev to put into the MOBA machine and never release anything of note.
>>720187893I have over a thousand hours in dota 2 (over 3000 even), cs and tf2 and I must say deadlock is dogshit. These genres just don't mix well. They tried it in 2012 with super monday night combat, it was a huge flop. Now they're doing it again but this time they're adding zoomer shooter wiggling and jump sliding. Just no.
>It's a "Can go full retard mode as Mo&Krill, Abrams or Victor" matchI love when I can run into the middle of a team fight, face roll buttons, probably die but also win the team fight.
>>720242227What the fuck are you talking about? CS2 is literally a 2-3 year old release. Valve clearly is having problems upkeeping their games past a certain point now the writing is on the wall for Deadlock too what the fuck is going to happen the moment the game dwindles to 50K playing it daily? and CS2 literally one of Valves biggest games and they're getting squat.I honestly dont trust Valve anymore with thier Multiplayer titles.
>>720243268>CS2>2-3 years oldNigga, it's just CSGO rebrand.
>>720243268>1.4 million players is badthat's more concurrent than CSGO ever had and they aren't even doing anything right now
>>720243268>203 year oldTry 20-30 year old???
>>720240387ASSFAGGOTS isn't FPS and it's sure as shit not fun.I don't pay ASSFAGGOTS
>>720236774Is your dad a pig or smth, why you looking pink
>>720235791So leave the thread nigger monkey. If you have no reason to engage in conversation, then dont.
>>720244510But it is an FPSYou can't even refute this
>>720246473Acksually its a TPS (Third Person Shooter)
>>720246473I can and I like deadlock and have 800 hours in itit's a third person shooter
>>720240387who cares about tf2 i just want valve to make something that isn't fucking CS or a MOBA over and over againmy badge trumps yours so bend over
A Billy player who knows how to conserve momentum is cracked as fuck.
>>720187893Valve just prefers to cater to comp stuff now. I really liked the character design and movement in Deadlock, but without some 12 v 12 cluster fuck cart pusher/point camp mode without the ASSFAGGOTS components I'm just not going to commit any real dedication to it. The game will have a niche as fuck community, it's just a question of if the one it draws will be initially large enough to withstand the test of time.
>>720244948Pale white people have pink skin.
I want you to imagine being OP's dad.Jesus...
>>720246705by 1 day
>>720246705>>720248019less than 24h actually
>>720246584>>720246604Err haha... disregard that... I was just pretending to be retarded...
>>720218941its so nice that the word dogshit has become synonymous with trailer trash opinions so i can easily identify and disregard them
>>720246705hours nigger you better have more then 2k or your opinion matters less.
>>720246851its gone through a few waves since alpha and this last one has all the staying power of any other retail live service game as far as i can tellthe only opportunity for failure here is if they waste months and months on game polish and bugfixing updates before a soft public launch when its clear their audience is here for fresh gameplayanyway you'll get some clusterfuck game mode eventually if they have any clue what they're doing
>>720250719Again, it really seems like they are planning to throw random stuff around at the moment, since people datamined a potential payload like mode and a card game to play in the hideout.
>>720250796they can't let artifact hang over their head forever, it will be redeemed
>>720201246Because the real damage done to tf2 was back when valve start over buffing the heavy try and make him 6s viable.
>>720192096> why play a competitive game Yes anon, I do believe you'll find that's the problem with making one.
Slork and Raven are coming back, I feel it.
Watching prototype deadlock fanart is like if people made fanart of tf2 when it was Invasion
>>720253806Unironically, this design with a few tweaks could be used for Deadlock.
>>720251050 That was the turning point for sure. Once they started balancing around tryhard 6s instead of the pub chaos the game thrived on, it all spiraled. Heavy with speed and uptime wasn’t just annoying-he broke entire flowstates on maps. Like yeah, good job making him "viable," but now he’s either a 30mph wall of death or useless, no in-between.
>>720254079I think less of Tomislav users than I do of some criminals.
ivy sex (with pregnancy)
>>720254425But anon, you are going to have to carve a womb and a baby gargoyle!
>>720253939Not really, it has no flourishes with the current direction. Warden is the closest you'd get to that design and he is getting reworked
>>720254603I dunno, update it to slightly less WWI and it wouldn't look too out of place next to Haze. I would imagine something like that to be the look of the military within the Deadlock world, considering they annexed south Ixia and all.
>>720236774>>720239038>No one's taking this book from me
>>720254079>>720254309It warms my heart seeing more and more people agree with me on this.
