>>720191672
PoE is the logical conclusion of arpgs in the worst way possible. It's just pure slop.

>>720191779
Yeh its weird seeing the feedback on PoE2 and people saying "we have so much agency in PoE1, why did you take it away?!". On one hand I see where they're coming from, its nice to be able to skip stuff you don't like, but as you say PoE1 takes it to its logical conclusion so that you ONLY do EXACTLY what you want and nothing else. That's not actually fun to non-autistic people, I want variety, the stuff you don't like makes the stuff you do like more exciting to get

>>720191871
This is probably why when you look at reviews of poe it's mostly from autists who have 2k+ hours in poe and play nothing else, they just cycle through builds that all play identically and the whole appeal is just min maxing your way across maps and ubers. It's just mind numbing busy work.

>>720191672
its made by Tencent so yes its slop

>>720192027
That's the other thing, its always the 50000 hours people circlejerking about how hard the game is and they died to rhoas in act 1, meanwhile rhoas hit for like 5% of your health. I genuinely don't understand how you can play a game for that long and die to basic white mobs at the start of every league?

I enjoy a good fun aRPG campaign, and think the minmax autists who are so mazed they do nothing but farm drops all day long is the worst thing aRPGs crashed against. When I reach that stage of an aRPG i'm gone, either i'm shelving it or maybe i'm trying out a different character to try playing in a different way.
Fuck Baal and fuck Ubers for what the design philosophy of 'only endgame matters'

>>720191672
>All I've ever heard about it was its insanely difficult, you need a guide to even get half way through the campaign, but its got the best endgame of any ARPG ever!!!!
Nobody has ever said this.
>>720192265
Yeah and there are 20 Rhoas on your screen at any given time if you're not killing them, what's 5 times 20 dumbass?

>>720192749
>Nobody has ever said this.
>immediately says this

>>720193249
Where did I say it?

>>720191672
No one ever says PoE is hard.
They do however say that it is complex. Lots of player expression and opportunity for a creative player to make an absolutely dumb build that obliterates entire screens.
>beat the bosses
Pinnacle bosses have been powercrept. You need to do the uber versions now, sadly.

>>720193378
>Yeah and there are 20 Rhoas on your screen at any given time if you're not killing them, what's 5 times 20 dumbass?
Why would you gather up 20 rhoas to all charge at you at once? I mean in the current league *you* don't even have to kill them, the first merc you get will blow up the entire screen for you

>>720193386
>No one ever says PoE is hard.
Nah I specifically see people calling out certain acts as brick walls that are impossible to beat without a guide, 4, 5 , 7 I've seen, but whenever I actually mention I breezed through it people move the goalposts all the way to "well it doesn't get hard till you have omegajuiced uber bosses on ssf hc gauntlet" or whatever and then say "ohh well yeh the game is easy if you just read what skills do"

>>720193476
First of all they don't have to charge you all at once, they just need to stun you consecutively. Second, I said "if,' because generally people just want to get through the zone as fast as possible and Rhoas stunlocking you will get you killed. Third, it's not hard to kill Rhoas if you take your time with it.

>>720193534
what the fuck are you talking about
maybe in the 50 year old gamer dad facebook group they talk about it like that?

>>720193534
They constantly move goalposts but if you're not a retard you'll spend most of the campaign one shotting mobs and the character building aspect is just ensuring mob scaling doesn't outpace your ability to one shot them.

>>720193638
>maybe in the 50 year old gamer dad facebook group they talk about it like that?
Yeah, /v/

>>720191672
Yes, poe players spent the last decade playing a game where you're immortal and 1-shot the screen. They're below gacha players and shouldn't be interacted with.

>>720193761
shieeeeeet u right

>>720193534
They are right that the game is hard on Gauntlet, because the entire game is explicitly changed to be unfair. It's also forced HC so one mistake and you're out, and since Gauntlets have money prizes you're gonna be competing against niggas who finishes act 10 by the time you entered act 3.
The acts have been powercrept, so whatever brick wall you're talking about are long gone. It is true that once upon a time acts posed a real challenge, but that is many years ago, before all 10 acts could be finished in a few hours.
Uber Bosses are just about the only true test of your build, at this point, which is fine.

>>720193761
Actually /v/ is the one place I don't see people jerk off about it, its the normie spaces that think its the hardest thing ever like reddit/twitch/actual friends
>>720193797
I always thought gantlets were a cool idea with a dogshit implementation. Who's going to be able to compete with a bunch of streamers who's entire life revolves around the game?

>>720194040
There are usually some prizes you can pick up as a nobody. Streamers will usually play meta so they can try to pick up as many prizes as possible in the endgame, and every gauntlet usually has gimmick/meme prizes or class-specific prizes that streamers will not go for (atleast until they've finished their 'main run')
Still hard though

>>720191672
Most of the """difficulty""" for a new player in poe is just the baseline skill balancing.
If you go in blind and pick a skill you like the look of you might get something that can effortlessly carry you through the acts with just the obvious damage supports/nodes and you might get something that relies on unclear or un-intuitive scaling mechanics or sucks without a lot of investment or just plain sucks.
I've had friends who started fresh in the same league end up on completely opposite sides of that spectrum purely by luck of the draw.

>>720194040
why would you ever be able to compete with someone that plays more than you what a retarded statement
half of the characters in the top 10 arent even from streamers

>>720191672
It used to be tough man. You just came in after they patched out all the extremely hard things by adding more modifier tiers. In 2016 it was genuinely the hardest game on the market. You couldn't cap your resists without super rare unique gear that had .1% drop chance and you needed to be resist capped to survive. The level cap was usually 80 because getting exp after 80 was almost impossible. It wasn't until they added syndicate that people weere able to consistently get to 95+
They just kept adding things that make the game way easier.

>>720194678
Haven't they nerfed how much damage the player does multiple times? I remember the big 50% nerf and people here going ballistic about it

>>720195685
what no he's not talking about patch by patch adjustments to raw damage numbers on skills, he's talking about player power over the years through enormous gameplay changes like revamping the passive tree, adding clusters, adding masteries, changing the affixes available on gear, changing crafting methods, etc. which in combination with better "community" knowledge of the game has made people a lot stronger, not random skill getting nerfed because it was meta, the entire point is that the meta changes from leavue to league

>>720194678
This, OP must've been looking at old posts or something
You didn't beat the game OP

>>720191672
The genre hit a dead end.
What once was about action, fantasy exploration, and combat devolved into obsessive build theorycrafting and slot-machine item gambling. Actual gameplay became secondary, especially in the endgame, where the “best” builds are the ones that trivialize most monster mechanics and erase difficulty altogether.
It’s no surprise the fanbase overlaps with card-gamers, autobattler enjoyers, and mobile gacha collectors since it rewards spreadsheet tinkering more than playing.
POE accelerated this self-referential inbreeding of design because it catered to a small, peculiar niche fanbase, and it slowly warped the genre until it became unrecognizable, yet paradoxically set the new standard. Specially because Diablo 3 and 4, afraid to lean into PoE’s overcomplicated and conflated systems, stuck with shallow builds and crafting but did nothing to push the core action gameplay forward. People that enjoyed Action RPGs moved to tangential genres like souls games, rogue-like arpg like Hades, and even shooter hells like vampire survivors. The die-hard theorycrafters stayed with POE.

>>720196054
cry more gameplayfag

>>720195974
Yeh and I mean they've done at least one meganerf patch in the past to everyone at the same time

>>720196268
This is probably in reference to 3.15, then.

>>720191871
> the stuff you don't like makes the stuff you do like more exciting to get
So do you normally like to have your balls crushed for a few minutes every morning just to make the rest of your day "more exciting"?

>>720196054
>since it rewards spreadsheet tinkering more than playing
Spreadsheet tinkering is and always will be the best part of any game with any real depth if (you) are someone with a triple-digit iq.

>>720196472
You sound insecure, like the average POEfag when faced with honest criticism.

>>720196472
Speadsheet tinkering is fun but the actual build has to be fun to play too. In PoE2 right now I'm playing ED lich and its hold left click to kill screen, extremely strong but also a snoozefest to play and I'm saving up to respec to a meme build asap

the crafting has become so fucking retarted and i say this as a closed beta veteran
it doesnt work on me, i don't feel smart having to jump thru several hoops to craft something on my items instead of using say a crafting fucking bench
i feel really fucking stupid in fact

>>720191672
PoE1 is the best game ever made and PoE2 is a huge fucking shit. PoE1 is like a nice glass of wine but PoE2 is like a nice glass of wine but you have to eat the bottle first

>>720196657
this your post lil bro?
>>720196054

>>720197040
Just take the criticism. Are you 15 or what?
You won't grow chest hair playing video-games, you know that, right?

>I've ever heard about it was its insanely difficult
That's because PoE players are retarded, have you watched the recent PoE2 streams where 90% of streamers get killed by the act 3 gorilla which has like 2 different attacks and they are both slow as fuck.

>>720192608
The people who play ARPGs like that are really the lowest form of gamer, on the same level as gachafags and literal grannies pulling slots in casinos. Diablo 2 was a fucking mistake.

>>720197143
someone who wasnt insecure wouldve just said that they didn't like minmaxing and progressively making something better bit by bit in poe1 instead of the insanely fucking cringe posts you're making right now or whatever attempt at banter this is supposed to be

>>720196893
""""game""""" lmao. poe1 has no gameplay. You click right mouse button, watch the explosion and then pick up shit off the ground like some janny. It's the equivalent of cookie clicker, of an auto battle gacha, of a movie game, there is 0 actual gameplay

>>720191672
PoO1 is not difficult, is not difficult, is complex and for awful reasons
It is complex because there is SO MUCH completely fucking useless shit that if you are not a little bit knowleadgeable, you can very well be making a complete trash character
But yeah, PoO1 is not difficult, its a fucking idle game to play while you are watching a stream or whatever
Also the "endgame" is fucking dogshit made, again, to be played as an idle game

>want to play poo 2
>still only one fucking melee weapon
the wait is killing me

>>720191672
PoE1 has been made for years for spreadsheet autists
Thats it
There is 0 enjoyment to be derived from the gameplay, all the "fun" people get out of it is from autistically crafting their build for hours to do billions of damage

>>720197143
thats really cool that you just got your first chest hair, good for you

>>720196472
This anon never had friends to play dnd with so he just kept creating level 1 characters and eventually brainwashed himself into believing that the theorycraft is better than playing the game. Grim

Tencent shill thread

>>720197517
>there is nothing fun about seeing your build get better and better and progressively do harder content that gives you more rewards
you guys are retarded

>>720197517
Not entirely true, that's just how it seems at surface level. The reality is that Chris Wilson was a Diablo 2 rmt china bot and created a massive manifesto of dark patterns to make people addicted.

This is what poe became, it wasnt meant for spreadsheet autists specifically, it was meant to be a game for everyone except the gameplay is shit on purpose because dangling a carrot in front of the player and promising that it'll get fun eventually is one of his dark patterns.

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>>720191672
>Is PoE the most overhyped slop game ever?
it used to be really good
then they went full VISION
then Chris Wilson left
now it's all the same shit you see everywhere else because the man running it is the cocksucker that Chris left the company to get away from in the first place

if you didn't play during the original metamorph and harvest leagues years ago, you'll never be able to see the game in its prime or understand what made it so unique

>>720197856
I have a game for you. Open notepad and type in a 1. Every day, you add +1. When you reach 100 you beat the uber boss.
Hope that sounds exciting for you, because that's exactly what poe is.

>>720198014
>just point your finger at a tree and say 'boom', that's all your stupid FPS genre ever was
you genuinely might be too stupid to construct metaphors, anon
please stop

>>720198014
so what's your favorite game if it has absolutely no progression system because apparently that's the same as opening notepad and typing 1
retarded faggot

>>720198005
>used to be really good
I thought you'd talk about the poe beta, but then you say fucking metamorph and harvest lmao. Was already zoom zoom slop with 0 gameplay at that point.

>>720196472
90% of things in PoE you have to look up how they work because they don't tell you and things you thought would work -doesn't, because the devs went out of their way to patch it a million patches ago and have only been adding more things after each patch. Yet the game is an unbalanced mess and you only die to one-shot mechanics as you have infinite regen

PoE just has a huge barrier to entry to understand what scales and how with what

>>720191672
>I played a game
>I didn't personally like it
>therefore it's overhyped
I don't understand at this point if it's autism or narcissism. Not being able to understand that people might enjoy what you don't, and games can be genuinely good even if YOU PERSONALLY don't like it.

>>720198079
Other games with progression systems have gameplay. Poe has no gameplay, which is why it's equivalent to counting up in notepad.

>>720197876
Im not reading all that, I literally have not played in years because it IS exactly that

>>720197856
No anon... no...
YOU are retarded, and you don't even know why
>Then explain it tome
No anon... no...
If I explain it to you, you would know why and it would stop being fun
You can kill yourself whenever you like, however

>>720198257
>video games consist of pressing a bunch of buttons over and over
>pressing a button is not gameplay
>therefore no games in existence have gameplay
this is how retarded you sound

>>720198257
No but you see it has gameplay, do you have enough defense to survive when you are walking forward holding a button? oh wait fuck that is a spreadsheet
ehm... do you have enough dama- fuck that is a spreadsheet
Can you maintain your mana w- FUCK
Did you allocate your atlas nodes properly so you don't run out of- FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

>>720198434
Well if you read it you'd see that I agree with you and just added context.

>>720198151
Bingo.

+10 Acts.

Bald Fucking Retards™ favorite game is Diablo 2 (supposedly), where it's 4 (5 with the expansion) acts. MAXIMUM.

PoE1-2 are insanely bloated. An ARPG should be a tight lean experience where the grind treadmill is fun.

TEH VISION™ 1-2 isn't that.

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>>720191672
As bad as POE is at least it isn't POE2

>>720198146
This.
The closed beta was peak the game was super hard but fair and no retard shit like CoC.

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>/v/ consists almost entirely of filtered casuals
imagine my shock

>>720198683
PoO2 is miles better, because at least it is a game

>>720198774
>dies 10000 times each season
>"you are le casual!"

>>720198495
Yes, just pressing buttons is not gameplay. There has to be a purpose and gameplay system behind it that gives those presses meaning and introduces failure conditions.

I could tell my grandma to just keep pressing right mouse button and shed clear red maps, she wouldn't even need to look at the screen. So nothing on the screen actually matters, it's cookie clicker, there is no gameplay.

>>720198837
>miles better
in what way? explain.

>>720198846
did you feel called out bud? lmao
>season
oh, you're a diablocuck, no wonder you're projecting

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>>720198875
bait used to be believable, but you zoomers don't know how to be subtle
here's your consolation prize

>>720198971
Unironically what is bait about it? Do you think gameplay systems are not required or do you doubt that someone could clear red maps without looking? Genuinely curious.

>>720191672
>All I've ever heard about it was its insanely difficult
Where the fuck did you get this idea? I've never heard anyone claim it was a hard game.
I know die-hard superfans with 1k-4k hours in POE1. They said they liked the game because of build variety and that you can become super OP and break the difficulty.

Maybe you're having an ESL moment and confuse potential complexity with difficulty. Like it's "hard" to learn every single system and how to best utilize it. Not "hard" to actually play and win. Two very different things.

>>720198257
Just because you don't like the gameplay doesn't mean there is no gameplay.
It's akin to saying metal is not music because it's just screaming.

>>720198971
he is right though. when all you ned do is walk and the enemies die as they come on screen then something is very wrong with your game

>>720198768
It was much more fun because you were playing an actual ARPG
Keyword PLAYING
Its sad that now when you talk about ARPGs people just think about PoO1 and late stage cancer D3 instead of what ARPGs used to be

>>720198903
it game> it no game

>>720198146
>>720198768
metamorph/harvest and the atlas changes that came with them (sirus and the other shit iirc) were more or less POE's 'zoom vision' taken to its logical conclusion in ways that were both fun and engaging for the player
non-deterministic crafting was fucking amazing to have without any filters or gotcha's attached to it, and build-a-bear loot pinata was just downright fun even if it was garbage most times
>disclaimer: i have comfortably bad opinions
genuinely everything after that was some sort of attempt to catch that same lightning in a bottle and every attempt fell flat.

the game started going to a hollow place where they never, for whatever fucking reason, wanted to remove the casino cage from the act of simply making an item that has/does what you want it do do

>>720199284
See >>720198875
It's not about liking or disliking the gameplay, there just is no gameplay. You might aswell argue with me about how visual novels have amazing gameplay. It makes no sense at a fundamental level.

>>720191672
it's a pile of trash slow boomers play by copying builds with zero mechanical requirements, quite literally the most overrated game out there

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>>720199591
your argument is basically covering your ears and saying you're right because you can't hear rebuttals at this point
"this game which has gameplay does NOT have gameplay, because i said so"
ok cool
you win
whatever
go back in your hole

>>720199648
I accept your concession. It's funny how you poo1 players can't defend your game at all because deep down you know it's cookie clicker.

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>>720199769
yep, you won! you're so right and valid, anon! i kneel in defeat and prostrate myself to your superior big brain that is not wrong at all
thank you for correcting history, this thread would be without salvation if not for your presence, we have all bettered ourselves for having experienced you

>>720199648
Don't bother replying to this nigger. There is a filtered faggot on this board who monitors /v/ for PoE threads 24/7 to shit them up with his completely insane nonsense.

>>720199870
This anon is GRUMPY

>>720199970
i am quite pissed to be quite frank with you, my hams are absolutely fucking steamed but do not dare imply that i am seething or i WILL lose my temper
>>720199925
yeah idk i think they just want validation, why not suck his dick for a bit and see if it fixes things you know?

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Yoooo this guy just cleared red maps

>>720194678
>In 2016 it was genuinely the hardest game on the market
Nerfing player damage and reducing gear drops doesnt make a game hard it makes it unfair and boring.

>>720199502
Conquerors should have been the end of PoO1 and it would have made perfect sense both in gameplay and story
You are basically fighting yourself after finishing the entire atlas storywise in the conquerors, and it improved the base dogshit endgame tremendously (still dogshit, but less so since there is actually things to work towards)
After that every update has been diarhea
Not only that but they have actively made the game much worse
Only Settlers was somewhat decent since it added something to do other than tardmaxxing maps

>>720199648
May you, mayhaps, perchance, be the retard that doesn't know why he is retarded?

>>720192060
It's not made by Tencent, Tencent bought it after it was already up and running.

>>720200315
sorry anon, you have no argument because i say so
that's how things work around here now, you better get used to it

>>720198669
Are you retarded? You go through those 5 D2 acts three separate times to get through all the difficulties. PoE 1 campaign takes like 6-8 hours once you have the basics down and shorter when you actually play efficiently. I take longer to get through all the D2 acts than PoE by a long shot if I'm playing solo. Or is this just a big bait post and I got trolled.

>>720200708
>You go through those 5 D2 acts three separate times to get through all the difficulties
>He does Nightmare
>He does Hell
There is no reason to do those unless you enjoy the game. Diablo 2 is a tight and fast one-and-done unless you enjoy the treadmill. The WAY an ARPG **SHOULD BE**.

>>720200708
Half of these thread is people either being disingenuous or straight up lying about the game to shit on it

>>720200852
I loved going through normal with just a poison creeper
was fun. my character was called green weiner

>>720191672
Poe is shit, play a real game like grim dawn

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worst part of poe1 is having to do the fucking campaign every season/character
just put me in a lvl 1 map or something. i don't care about any of your gay worldbuilding shit anymore!
>haha le zoomer
bitch it's called reading the same shitty book 100 times and being sick of it

>>720201017
You wouldn't care if it was good, but the PoO1 campaign is some of the worst gameplay you can find, and it just progressively gets worse and worse, too

>>720201017
as much as i hate poe1 campaign I would rather play through that twice than poe2's (((campaign))) once.

>>720191672
none of this happened next you are going to tell everyone you crafted your own shit too and understand a crafting system with 10 years of depth god i hate liars

Daily thread of poe haters mad people play a game they don't like. Why? Why do you care so much?

>>720191672
The difficulty of the game is exaggerated. What makes PoE a great game is its sandbox nature. There is really no goal in the game; it's up to the player to decide what they want to do each league.

>poe bad because it's not like ARPGs used to be
>what ARPGs used to be is run through campaign 3 times with like 5 skills available per class

>>720191672
Big dick guys play SSFR. Giant dick guys play SSFRHC.

>>720191672
> it was its insanely difficult, you need a guide to even get half way through the campaign
Don't know where you heard this. This has never been true and no one has ever said this

>>720202085
>run through randomly generated slop with 1 skill
>also you're immortal and every monster that enters the screen gets 1-shot
Bravo

>>720202358
>>also you're immortal
We already can tell you've never even played the game, no need to tell everyone.

>>720201749
>depth
>literally a predetermined order to get whatever you want
lol

>>720202521
Poe players be like: yo this gameplay is fire

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w3xPAHlkkG8&pp=ygUNUG9lIHRhbmsgdWJlctIHCQmyCQGHKiGM7w%3D%3D

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>>720191672
>there is no way people are actually circlejerking about how difficult this game is when even if you do die to something nothing resets and you have infinite tries
Stop playing softcore. That's a game mode for gamer dads with 9 wives and 54 children. All of your complaints stem from the same problem, playing the casual game mode.

You're right, the game is mindnumbingly easy when you play that, but so are most games, when you play easy mode.

>>720202358
Post your immortal build that one shots everything in tier 16.5 or 17.

>>720201017
Takes like 4 hours to do the campaign. Ridiculous thing to complain about.

>try poe 1
>one shotting everything with one skill up to act 3
>uninstall game
the lack of friction just makes it boring as fuck, poe 2 is much better because the experience actually starts from act 1

>>720202170
ssf is for people for want to actually play the game, trade is cringe and hardcore is for retards

Hardcore makes the game enjoyable. Softcore fags that play these games with no consequences are mentally ill. It's just a treadmill you walk on when nothing is on the line.

I like pressing a button and watch an entire screen explode

>>720202901
Yeah I already said, it shows you have never played the game, if you think that video is any indication of your average endgame build.

>>720203006
>go to YouTube
>poe t17 immortal
>watch one of the 10 billion videos
You're kinda retarded for someone who plays a theorycraft game, were you not aware that this is a thing? Are you aware that there are builds that 1-shot ubers?

>>720204248
>hurr the game has engaging gameplay, just don't level up and don't equip items
Yeah congrats I guess.

Yeah PoE's gameplay is really light that's part of the enjoyment. PoE is more about what you're thinking about rather than what you're doing. The game is chores and they're actually pretty fun. Learning the system is fun, learning mechanics is fun, optimizing progression is fun, making your own builds is fun. The gameplay itself isn't the fun part. Also, play HC.

>>720204248
The build in the video is CHEAP. It's not even some billion divines character. If your character is worse than that then you just suck desu.

>>720204515
See? Is it so hard to admit that you are fucking autistic and just like filling an excel spreadsheet?
This anon here doesn't cope about it, why do you, you fucking niggers?

>>720204574
PoO1 players love to act like you can't just make one of the retarded simple and broken builds and just oneshot literally everything in the game while being unkillable

>>720191672
Any game that needs a guide to be playable, is and always will be shit.

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>>720203518
This. Requires mental illness to enjoy softcore. It's a cookie clicker game at that point, meant for disabled people. Then people play the retard mode and are surprised it's retardedly easy.

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How absolutely buttmad do you have to be to spend your day arguing against a game you don't like?
Like, why is it such a life and death sitation to you, sperging out about people enjoying something that you don't?

>>720191672
It's certainly in the conversation. But even worse is poop2.

>>720204803
Why do you engage with it instead of playing your game? The thread would be dead but you absolutely have to prove poe isn't cookie clicker (which it is).

>>720204803
Personally I am at work with nothing to do
Get fucked, autist

poop of excrement has been bad since 2021. GGG has gone full retard. Not surprising Chris and other senior devs have left.

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I really like PoE and respect GGG for doing so much with a single game, producing massive amounts of content for free, and never breaking their dedication of no pay-to-win mechanics (except stash tabs but that's the about as far as they ever went). It's also one of the very few games out there where every mechanic and system are constantly kept up to date and reworked to feed into each other; like using your currency orbs as crafting which you can use on your items to make them better or on your MAPS to make them harder but more rewarding is so genius. There are very few autism games out there like it; Gemcraft might be another example. I went on an ARPG bender for a while and played them all; Grim Dawn and Diablo don't even come close. It's a shame they went full retard with PoE2 and the game got too bloated for its own good.

very overrated and gatekept with the most artificial complexity like the skill tree and currency system
pure trash gameplay and just run around spamming 1 skill and no class identities or themes for anything in the game. the games aesthetic is generic assets

>>720205781
>game runs on the studio proprietary engine
>everything is made speficially for this game alone
>anon says it's generic assets
Why do people who have no fucking idea what they're talking about always try to speak so confidently?

>>720203518
PoE is the "Die Randomly: The Game" Why would you play hardcore in this? Are you mentally ill?
Either you will make an unkillable build and play it 10X slower than a normal person or you're just going to die to random dogshit and pretend to have fun.

>>720191672
PoE is the best game.
Chris Wilson is the best game designer, project leader and friend.

>>720205531
They are slowly but surely fixing PoE2. I finally tried it this patch and it's getting kinda good
Still a puddle in terms of endgame and builds compared to PoE1 but that's to be expected.

>>720205781
>artificial complexity
No such thing
>no class identities
This nigga didn't even make it to labs, lmao

>>720191672
>Is PoE the most overhyped slop game ever
That would be Diablo 2 with how much that shaped PoE.
With that said, PoE wouldn't have even existed if Diablo 3 didn't suck so much.

>>720206068
>PoE is the "Die Randomly: The Game" Why would you play hardcore in this?
You only die "randomly" when you are bad at the game. "Random" deaths are usually:

>character with shit max hit, no ele or shock immunity, no crit reduction or immunity, gets shocked and crit and dies to one hit.
>WTF GGG!!! FIX THE GAME SO DUMB!!

Only actual "random" deaths, really due to overtuned mechanics, are tied to new content, like some of the mercs. outside of that, there are no "random" deaths, as the base game itself is very well balanced at this point.

>>720205987
>>720206243
>defending slop tier design and assets

>>720206180
I'm really hoping they can do their gay little artistic "vision" because a game with PoE's autism mechanics, difficulty, and endless content but actual GAMEPLAY sounds like heaven to me. But not even being able to equip or make a character that uses swords because they aren't in the game yet is a little too much for me.

>>720191672
My only complaint that I don't play female characters, so multiple classes don't exist for me.

>>720206453
>le buzzword man
Give up

>>720206494
Swords, Duelist and Slayer (my beloved) in 0.4. Trust the plan

>>720206584
You'll get Druid aka Maces 2.0 filled with +total attack time clunk

>>720206584
they already said swords coming near 1.0
it's fucking over

>>720206659
AAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE
JONATHAN NOOOOOOOOOOO
MARK SAVE ME!!!

>>720206350
NTA, but
>You only die "randomly" when you are bad at the game
>Only actual "random" deaths, really due to overtuned mechanics, are tied to new content
fucking lmao this nigger
>you don't die randomly, but actually you do
You die randomly all the time in this game specifically due to new monsters, mechanics being extremely unbalanced and often just straight up one shotting you, no matter how tanky you are. And you usually need to wait at least 2 weeks into the new league for GGG to balance these things.

>>720206584
Nope
It is druid 100%
Duelist will very likely be the last class

>>720191672
>all these DLC/expansions
>game isn't even in 1.0 yet
kikes just want to fill their pockets. Maybe when they actually finish the game and stop releasing dlc before its even finished, I'll give it a try.

>>720206453
>sperging out about the game with straight up lies

>>720206721
>You die "randomly" when you are bad at the game
>The only way people that has played this dogshit for 10000h die is from random unseeable oneshots
hmmmm
Maybe you are right, he might be retarded

>>720206751
Wrong thread?

>>720206843
Silence, indian, I wasn't talking to you.

>>720206721
You're trying to show a contradiction where there is none. The base game is very well balanced. New content does not necessarily have the same balance, so you have to be a bit more careful with that. Doesn't really back up the claim of:
>Die Randomly: The Game
The choice of engaging with, mercs in this case, is completely voluntary. By definition, dying to, again mercs in this case, is not a random death. For deaths to be actually random, new content would not be comparatively out of balance, as all content would be similarly balanced.

Retard.

Poe was good then Troonathan took over. Sad.

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>>720206959
You absolute nigger. Your only argument is that the base game is extremely well balanced. To that I can somewhat agree. But again, people mostly play this game when new content releases, to try the new content specifically. And if the new content is extremely unbalanced, then you can mental gymnastics your way around it however you want, but it doesn't change the fact that even the tankiest builds will get destroyed randomly.
>The choice of engaging with, mercs in this case, is completely voluntary.
Like I said, nobody will join the new league and just not engage with new mechanics. There is no real reason to come back to the game for a new league at that point.
I really don't understand why are you trying all these mental gymnastics to tell everyone that "you don't die randomly, but actually you kinda do, but it doesn't matter when you do". There is no point in lying or being disingenuous.
I do like the game and spend a ton of time on it every new league, I just don't see the point of your bullshitting.

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No, don't defend the one shotting mechanics in this game. The fact they haven't added a death replay STILL in PoE1 is inexcusable.

>>720206929
Neither was I to you, Ramesh

>Overhyped
??????????
for years it's been a niche game in a genre that is typically out of the mainstream. Maybe you need to stop paying to much attention to your diablo influencers

>>720207269
They don't want to add a death replay, if people can objectively point out their bullshit game design then it's just going to lead to more people complaining.

>>720206959
wtf is the base game nigger? The campaign?
>>720207269
If they add a death log you would see how you died to a bug
Reminder how they added it to league and every time you checked without knowing what the fuck killed you you had things like ignite doing impossible damage or random unnamed untagged damage

>>720206350
Lets rephrase it then, while it might not be "random" as you can carefully plan around everything except a few actual bugs and we ignore all the diarrhea on the screen and whether you can actually tell what is happening.

People said the game is slop and too easy, and some people said to play HC and I replied "it's trash because you will randomly die", like most people do playing in softcore, and the only alternative to this is being unkillable—which is something you can never be in any roguelike or other mmo type game like lost ark, which plays quite similar to PoE while not being a full ARPG diablo-like, because it makes the game a huge chore to play, as the fear of dying is dead. So you might as well play softcore and enjoy your relaxing cookieclicker gameplay while theorycrafting builds like you're supposed to.

>>720207826
>like lost ark, which plays quite similar to PoE
Lol, lmao even
The only similarity between Lost Ark and PoE is the isometric camera.

>>720207826
Fuck my ass sideways I wish PoO played any similar at all to Lost Ark

>>720207209
My point of contention is the claim of random oneshots. I complain plenty about the shit balancing of new content, but it's been years and GGG prefers for content to be too hard, rather than too easy, for obvious reasons.

The claim that PoE is "Die Randomly: The Game" is just false. Again, for it to be objectively true, "random" deaths shouldn't be limited to new content. Anyway, apart from mercs, which were particularly shittily balanced, nothing in T16.5's is that badly balanced. Even the new bosses are too easy, rather than too difficult.

>>720207380
Base game is all the pre-existing content. So that leaves outside T16.5, new bosses and mercs. In this patch, mercs were unbalanced and T16.5s had one mob that had a hard hitting projectile, but I didn't even die to that on my squishy league starter, so must not have been very hard hitting.

>>720207826
Most people die "randomly" while playing softcore, because they have no understanding of defences and no incentive to build defences, nor do they understand what is risky and what is not. People die randomly, because it does not matter if you die in softcore. Fear of dying doesn't really exist as you describe. People push content and difficulty in HC as well.

>>720208190
>The claim that PoE is "Die Randomly: The Game" is just false. Again, for it to be objectively true, "random" deaths shouldn't be limited to new content.
That is just something that you made up for your argument to have any sort of value to it. You can't just put an artificial limitation on something to prove something is not true.
New league content is part of the game. And for most of the players, it's the biggest appeal for coming back to the game every couple months, so I'd say it's objectively one of the most important parts of the game every new league. So yes, if that content is extremely unbalanced, it means you will very often die to random oneshots. At that point it doesn't matter that the rest of the game is balanced.
If you have a car which drives smoothly, but sometimes randomly the suspension will shoot out and cause the car to shake violently like you've driven over a pothole, then by all means you can't call the experience of driving that car as "smooth". You can't just artificially put exceptions on it like "it drives smoothly, except for the random violent shakes, but we don't count those so they don't matter".

>>720208190
Literally every death I've seen both my own and online for PoE2 (I assume the same for PoE1) happens in like .01 second.

>>720208845
Do I really have to define random for you?
>lacking a definite plan, purpose, or pattern
>relating to, having, or being elements or events with definite probability of occurrence
>being or relating to a set or to an element of a set each of whose elements has equal probability of occurrence

How can something be random, when you can clearly identify the cause, determine when it happens and why it happens?

The rest of your "argument" is not about the randomness of it. League mechanics are usually not as badly balanced as mercs, and after the nerfs and removal of some unique items, they aren't that deadly anymore. Mercs also came with other content, namely T16.5 and new bosses, which you pointedly ignored. I guess to highlight how non-random the deaths really are.

>>720209352
I don't play Poo2, but death happening quickly doesn't mean it was a random death. PoE is a knowledge game, where the actual gameplay is just a test for the build. When you die, the mistake was made earlier, not in the moment. Like I already pointed out, playing without shock or ele immunity, or without crit reduction or crit immunity.

test

>>720191672
It's the best ARPG for people who want to really play ARPGs a lot. I don't think your gay post is going to change that.
>look at me I managed to beat a boss on tutorial difficulty
very cool

>>720209719
Again, you try to mental gymnastics you way out of it.
You engaged with a merc, you'd be fine for a couple seconds, then suddenly POP, you're dead. Because some of the mercs skills ignored 100% of your defences, and some of these skills were fired off instantly. By all means - that is a random death.
>League mechanics are usually not as badly balanced as mercs
viridian wildwoods corpse exploders
ancestor league as a whole
crucible monsters
archnemesis as a whole
Just off the top of my head. New league mechanics are usually completely not balanced at league start.

>>720201017
>just put me in a lvl 1 map or something.
Okay, I did that. You are now spawning in the lvl 1 map the twilight stand.
I never understood the idea that running around in maps killing monsters is somehow different from what you are doing in the campaign, which is running around killing monsters. Seems to me like it's an entirely psychological problem.

>>720210341
It's a slippery slope to eventually arrive at
>just let me start as a lvl 68 character

>>720210238
Lol. Merc skills didn't ignore defences. There was one item that gave them reflect and that was it. Of course mercs with pen on their main skill would one shot you, if you were squishy. Phys mercs would one shot people with low phys max hit, etc.

Again, you are ignoring that mercs weren't the actual "content" of the league. Same as Metaphor wasn't the actual content when Sirus launched.

>New league mechanics are usually completely not balanced at league start.
That's what I already said. You are arguing with yourself, because you don't understand what random means. You think this argumentation about mercs being unbalanced is proof that deaths in PoE are "random". You clearly have a different idea of what random means, and for a person who plays softcore like the guy making the original claim, the unbalanced nature of mercs is clearly not even on the radar of issues they have. They die to way more than just mercs.

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>>720210995
>Lol. Merc skills didn't ignore defences.
Yes they did. That was the main reason why they often one shot you.
You should have known that, with how you like to act as such a pro and all compared to all these "bad players".

>>720211315
After all we've discussed, do you really think I engage with new content in the first two weeks of a league? I'm not retarded. I do base game content that I already know and wait for the retards to die and complain in global chat.

>>720211456
Thanks for agreeing that your argument is completely baseless then. Concession accepted.

>>720211604
And what exactly was my argument and how does it relate to mercs being unbalanced, as is all new content in general, like I already said earlier?

Posts like these are so funny. You realize your idiocy and try to salvage your ego somehow. I accept your concession of not understanding what random means.

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Farm a mageblood first couple of weeks and enjoy the game like everybody else. It's that shrimple.

This is my build in HC Trade. Cleared all content farmed super juiced maps had tons of fun this league. Only missing was a mirror drop.
https://pobb.in/n5PVyrB4cOvO

>>720211708
Okay, this is going to be my last reply to you.
Mercenaries had a support on them which RANDOMLY ignored all your defences.
So a skill which normally you would tank, coulde completely RANDOMLY one shot you. So you died RANDOMLY. Literally, the very definition of the world random, you died when a RNG decided that you would die.
Most of new content is balanced that way. And no, you cannot just say "monsters are balanced IF you exclude the unbalanced ones". That's retarded and illogical.
Again, you tried to act all high and mighty, shitting on those "bad players" and then you proved you don't know jackshit about the game yourself.
Don't bother replying with more mental gymnastics to prove your retarded case.

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>>720212131
The whole mercs ignore your defences was the reason for my only death this league. Skipped them after dying once and heard all my buddies died to it aswell. Once they finally patched it I started doing mercs again.

Can't believe they would even consider putting it into the game. They know from beforehand that just ignoring 10% mitigation is in most cases taking atleast DOUBLE the damage from a hit. Pair that with unbalanced first week numbers on skills like flameblast, meteor, divine ire etc. and you have a recipe for a lot of deaths on HC


The mercenaries league was a blast all in all desu.

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>>720192749
Everybody says that and they are correct, since OP is a larper with a meta niger build. Game is greate because there is simply no other game around like that. Any other ARPG is simply lacking in one department or the other, while this have everything and more.

>>720210341
>running around in maps killing monsters is somehow different from what you are doing in the campaign
all the fucking sidequest shit you have to do to 'fully unlock your character' with skill books and shit
talking to NPCs, going through quest bullshit, having to do all the labyrinth things three times per fucking character every season
it's just annoying after the xxxth time of doing/seeing/hearing it