>>720205241
I liked it more than 1.
Never played 3

The plant section definitely gets way too much slack for being shit simply because "bro its meta". Like ok what's so meta about struts and bosses that are clearly cut content and a bunch of backtracking?

>>720205241
filtered zoomtroon

>>720205241
no it's not

You NEED to get over Raiden

>>720205241
It's a masterpiece of social commentary for the midwits who never picked up a book or saw movies. As a game? Yeah, it was always a letdown.

Its way better than 1.

>>720207331
the story is the best in the franchise but the gameplay part of the game sucks giga ass

>>720205241
Dead Cell are jobber nobodies (with a badass theme) who only tops the bimbos from MGS4 but MGS2 as a whole is fantastic.

Best in the series.
Only blemish is big shell being a bit bland and the enemies not being quite up to the standards of 1, but not many games are.

It was basically a tech demo for PS2.

>>720207875
>the enemies not being quite up to the standards of 1
I'm assuming you mean the bosses and not the guards because the guards in MGS2 are a million times better

>>720208105
The guards are terrible. You kill them and they just get infinitely replaced or you tranq them and some faggot comes and wakes them up instantly. No point in ever interacting with them.

>>720206094
>cut content
que? What production content in the game got cut from the game?

The tanker escape got cut because it dragged on and it was like 3 minutes of 'hold analog stick to not die'

Vamp transitioned -- Not gay!

The other struts on Shell 2 never actually existed if you go back to the original drawings. They made the rig symmetrical (for reasons) and they spent 2 minutes coming up with what to call the new struts, but they never existed at any point going back to the original design.

The VR missions are good.

>>720208604
As opposed to the guards in MGS1 who will just infinitely spawn 2 metres away from you out of thin air during an alert? lmao
>You kill them and they just get infinitely replaced
They get replaced if they're found dead by other guards, they don't respawn otherwise. Murdering guards at all and leaving them dead everywhere is a skill issue.
>you tranq them and some faggot comes and wakes them up instantly
Then tranq the other guards or don't leave the sleeping guards somewhere they can be found? MGS2 opened up the gameplay mechanics so much more from MGS1 with the ways you remove the guards from plain sight.Again, skill issue.

>>720209138
>skill issue
soulstrannies have done irreparable damage to games discourse

>>720205241
The Plant is a boring place to sneak through compared with Shadow Moses and the jungle, agreed.

>>720205241
>ps2 game
>rooms smaller than in ps1 game
wow cool squeakquel you got there

File: radar.png (131 KB, 622x236)

131 KB PNG

>>720209138
or you can just walk past them since they're deaf and 3/4 blind. they even have a blind spot in front so you can throw them around easier.

>>720205241
It's actually the best especially for someone like me that is not a huge fan of kojimbo. It's an experience you cant get anywhere else. It's high budget and packed full of Kojimbo weirdness that grows on you after a while.

>>720207282
I got over him a long time ago, but let's be honest, everybody was disappointed when we first started playing as him.

>>720210696
It was a cold shower.

File: 1424170161177.png (270 KB, 602x404)

270 KB PNG

>>720209385
>thinking being told to git gud started with Dark Souls

>>720205241
It's meant to be bad.

>>720211578
Elaborate

>>720205241
its the worst stealth game of all time

>>720209138
Literally not true, you kill or tranq an enemy and they don't do their status report and 1 second later they get replaced.

>>720205241
Now this is just retarded contrarianism. The VR missions alone gives it value that the other two lack. You are probably just another faggot that dislikes the Raiden campaign being the main meat of the game.

>>720212189
i like raiden and i like the story but i think the gameplay is dogshit compared to all the other mgs games

>>720212036
Wow man it's almost like it's a mechanic to encourage you to interact with and sneak around guards in ways that don't involve eliminating them from the room altogether.

>>720212036
Not every soldier on the Shell does status reports over the radio, though. If a soldier fails to call in a status report, the backup team will go to his last known location to look for him. If they don't find him, they just leave. They'll only replace him if he's found dead or wake him up if he's found sleeping. Also as >>720212227 says, it's to add some variety to the gameplay to stop it from becoming too easy.

it's literally the best MGS game, and also a perfect sequel
two digit IQs need not apply

I played it as a kid and remember nothing except
>beeb beeb
>Raiden, go to strut A
>beeb beeb
>Raiden, go to strut B
>beeb beeb
>Raiden, go to strut C
>beeb beeb
>Raiden, return to strut A
>beeb beeb
>Raiden, go to strut D
>beeb beeb
>Raiden, get your ass right over to strut C this instant

>>720211680
It's meta. Jack is (You) playing a shitty retread of MGS1. Getting pissed on, molested, stripped naked, and forced to watch lame soap opera cutscenes. The game has a backtracking underwater escort mission ffs. Kojima cucks you at every turn. All to make you question certain things - namely, misplaced idolisation of snake, and the credibility of the information you consume (ads, gaming magazines, etc.).

>>720205241
the node system limiting your radar was so fucking bad

>>720205241
This game's only flaw is the empty mags mechanic.
Feels so stupid that you only get mags essentially for playing badly so the only people that get them are those that don't even know how to use them properly.

The camera, increased enemy perception compared to mgs1 and shit level design plus the limited radar until you unlock the nodes makes it fucking torture to play

>>720210696
Not if you are a zoomer first exposed to revengence memes. I think snake is always very goofy I will take edgy to goofy every time.

>>720207331
The saw movies were never inherently political, shit take.

>>720212568
So youre saying it was bad, but you just said that the idolization of snake is misplaced. So it was right?

>>720207617
The game is a refinement and tightening of the gameplay of 1 to the level of perfection. Every addition is a pure upgrade to the mechanics. 3 then threw all that out the window so that we could have outdoors sneaking, or traversing menus every 5 seconds to adjust camo, or to deal with an injury. Innovative new mechanics at the time, clunky design that is now not worth it.

>>720213220
lmao

File: 1675464489311691.jpg (17 KB, 399x399)

17 KB JPG

>>720205241
It's Kojima's best game.

>>720212950
>The camera
Literally exactly the same as MGS1 with the inclusion of a much smoother and more refined first person view
>increased enemy perception
There's increased enemy perception and the trade-off is you have a lot more tools in your arsenal to mitigate the impact of being found
>shoot a guard's radio before he calls in an alert
>shoot at one of his extremities so he physically can't use the radio
>throw a chaff grenade so his radio doesn't work
>tranq him
>knock him unconscious
>kill him with one of your weapons or knock him off a ledge so he's removed from the equation entirely
In MGS1, you're found and guards will now endlessly spawn on your location until you break line of sight and enter evasion mode.
>shit level design
The struts have different layouts to make the most of the game's newly introduced mechanics. The level design is fine.
>limited radar until you unlock the nodes makes it fucking torture to play
Then play on easy mode or just toggle this setting off in the menu if you don't want to bother with the nodes.

>>720213142
>Is it bad... or is it right?
I don't know what you are asking.
I said the game is designed to elicit frustration narratively and in some gameplay scenarios in order to get the player to ask questions.

not sure how you think its worse than one when its basically that pac man style of 2d stealth 1 has but absolutely pushed to the limits and perfected.

File: bizarro v.jpg (111 KB, 650x365)

111 KB JPG

>>720205241
Bizarro day thread? Cool.

>>720213721
>no counter-argument
you kinda got raped there ngl

>>720212541
It was nowhere near as heavy on the backtracking as the first game. You basically do half a circle to get to Stillman, then do a full circle to defuse all the bombs. You do have to go through some of the struts several times to progress, but it was nowhere near as bad as having to backtrack three times from the top of Metal Gear Rex, with the last time including four long elevator rides and having to climb up and down Rex every time.

Objectively dogshit opinion, 2 is the very best MGS

>>720214382
its an extremely bad stealth game.
if you want to play an actually good stealth game play thief.

>>720205241
MG, MG2, MGS1, 2, 3, 4, PW, and V are all great games :)

>>720214275
>>shoot a guard's radio before he calls in an alert
>>shoot at one of his extremities so he physically can't use the radio
lmao this is not even in the game

>>720205241
The only reason anyone would think this is if they played 2 after they played 3 and other more modern MGS titles. The jump in gameplay depth from 1 to 2 was mindblowing.

>>720205241
Its definitely the weakest of the trilogy. However faggots on here are in their contrarian history revision mode now saying 3 was never good despite nost of them not having been born when it came out. Obviously we just arnt smart enough to understand 2

>>720205241
I can't agree anon. It was my most played video game on PS2. I bough MGS3 new and only played through it twice. It didn't hit the spot for me. MGS3 was cool and all but had no replay value for me personally.

>>720207331
are you actually implying that saw is a high iq movie?

>>720215379
2 has worse gameplay than 1

>>720215171
Taking out a guard's radio is probably one of the most widely known techniques in the game. Sorry you were too much of a brainlet to discover something they even have a tutorial for in the menus

>>720205241
1>3>4>5>>>>>>>>>2
Don't @ me

>>720215994
why are you going on the internet and spreading misinformation

File: 1726016313450723.png (1.17 MB, 1303x1500)

1.17 MB PNG

MGS1/2/4 >>> MGS3

What MGS3 does well compared to the others
>jungle aesthetic is unique
>camo is a good idea
>survival is a good idea
>bosses are great. Arguably the best in the series. The End in particular is one of the greatest bosses in gaming history
>MGO was fantastic

What MGS3 does worse than the others
>the survival menu stuff is clunky, inefficient and gimmicky. Painfully slow. MGS4 does away with this because you only need the menu if you're arranging inventory
>camo is a great idea, but it becomes annoying because either you micromanage your camo constantly disrupting the flow of the game. Or you don't and you're crawling everywhere and jumping into 1st person all the time. MGS4 fixes this thanks to OctoCamo, and deactivating it with the DS3 motion worked great
>healing wounds is more annoying than challenging. It doesn't impact gameplay too much and even on higher settings items are in abundance anyway. MGS4 does away with this
>stamina is easily managed because there's animals everywhere and you can just sit and rest. MGS4 still has this issue though
>leaning against things is clunky and pointless. MGS1 and 2 it worked great, especially 2
>camera is trash constantly forcing you into 1st person. Suits soliton radar games but not MGS3. Thank God for Subsistence
>bosses are very easy. Only The Fury is a worthwhile challenge
>Groznyj Grad and indoor settings suck for MGS3-style gameplay. The game really shines the most in sections like before facing The End in the Ocelot Unit encounter on Normal+
>being caught by guards is far worse than MGS2 because of the crappy AI. Guards don't actively speak into radios like they do in MGS2 it pretty much just goes straight into alert. There's also no clearings like MGS2 had so they're less intense and can be easily resolved by hiding in long grass
>apart from basic slams CQC is just fucking terrible. MGS4 vastly improves upon it

Can think of loads more. MGS3 is good but it's overrated and not the best MGS.

>>720216925
>MGS3 is good but it's overrated
Sure, I can give you that MGS3 is overrated, but the most overrated one is MGS2 by far
Only adored by brainlets, because Kojimbuki managed to predict 12 at 11:55
It's like saying
>Mobile phones will replace standard house phones
And the whole fanbase going
>OMG Kojimbura you're so smart, you so cleaver

>>720216925
>bosses are very easy. Only The Fury is a worthwhile challenge
Everything in MGS3 is super easy unless you're playing on extreme difficulty. Same in MGS4.

File: METAL GEAR SOLID 2 HD EDI(...).png (433 KB, 1280x720)

433 KB PNG

>>720217480
No, MGS2 is the best game because Otacon's sister pees herself

>>720205241
it's better than both of them tho

>>720205241
>fake opinion used to get (you)s so he can talk about his favorite game/series

Daring today.

>>720218636
>she doesn't pee in your mouth
Into the trash it goes

I don't remember the Fury being so fucking AIDS in the original version of 3. This boss fight on EE is making me wanna kill myself.

>>720205241
You got filtered because it’s the best one

>>720219434
When you start the boss fight, go back and lie on the platform where the adjacent 2 walls meet. Equip Mosin or SVD and you can just snipe him in 1 minute without his flames ever touching you (he just flies over the platforms in a straight line and repeats it ad infinitum).
It's literary the easiest boss to loop with zero special items required.

>>720217480
The meta narrative in MGS2 is very cool thematically even if you put aside the prediction moment.

>>720219627
I don't have the mosin because I also hate doing the End's fight. Fuck me I guess.

>>720216925
MGS4 would be a million times better if it had a decent framerate, I can forgive the cringe Meryl and Johnny shit

>>720205241
2 and 5 are the only good ones
Only real MGS fans understand this

>>720219932
You’re as real as it gets. God bless.

File: nigger.webm (3.75 MB, 1280x720)

3.75 MB WEBM

>>720219627
Like he just breaks out of stun lock sometimes on the first or second shot and does whatever he wants. Sometimes he just insta flies away sometimes he insta shoots his flamethrower.

>>720205241
Trash game mired in interruptions via bloated cutscenes. The Tanker section was a masterpiece though, and not because you played as Snake.

>>720220231
>no light sources on his thrusters
so fucking lame

>>720217480
I can understand people claiming MGS2 is overrated in terms of the narrative. This sort of thing has a lot more space for subjectivity. I think it's amazing personally. Of the time, but still very well done. But when it comes to gameplay even to this day MGS2 is still groundbreaking.

>first person view shooting the environment and different parts of the enemy's body
>putting enemies to sleep
>hanging
>hiding bodies
>shooting cameras
>jumping out and shooting
>environment being noticed by enemies like broken glass, tattered magazines, plants etc
>clearings even now are amazing
>holding enemies up
>getting them to drop stuff
>shooting radios
>patrols checking in
>using lockers
>using cardboard box to crouch walk
>chaff deactivating radios
>cameras seeing bodies
>enemies will actively use cover
>enemies with shields and their placement in firefights
>even gimmicky stuff like locating bombs, swimming, protecting Emma etc is all very well done. Changes up the gameplay.

Perhaps the main criticism I have is as the game progresses a lot of this regresses. Example; things you have in the tanker like fire extinguishers, pots/pans, bottles etc aren't present like they are in the later game with Emma. But overall in 2001 the jump from MGS1 to MGS2 even when you just play the old Japanese demo with ZOE was mind-blowing. And now over 20 years later it still holds up insanely well.

>>720220998
Agree with you 100%, still hold us to this day when it comes to gameplay and small details like that

>>720220998
Also why wasnt CQC a foxhound wide thing by the time of raiden?

>>720214723
MGS1 worst backtracking was at the end
MGS2 worst backtracking was at the start and the end. Cant forget about EE.
Still love MGS2 more than 1 but i'll admit it has pacing problems and annoying gameplay segments

>>720223273
Swimming was fun dayo, shame there were no swimming VR missions

I can’t think of one cutscene in mgs2 that’s not pure kino, I don’t get how people complain about it. Skipping them feels like a serious offense to me.

>>720220998
You should play GoldenEye (1997).

>>720207282
Why? If a Metal Gear game isn't about Snake or Big Boss, it's shit, simple as. I also wouldn't play a Metroid game where you don't play Samus.

Too many codecs, not enough gameplay, too much blabla and non sensical shit that isn't cool at all. Its only redeeming quality is the meta stuff but as a game it's shit. Then again, I think the only actual good part of the meta stuff is obviously the colonel and rose final monologues with all the "giving context to the masses" thing. That was interesting i guess for a teenager or young adult.

>>720205241
I like it, it plays better than 3.

>>720224324
2/10 you need to work on this but I think there may be some potential

>>720223617
swimming would of been fun in an open area but going though the small hallway esp with EE small o2 bar? Na

>>720205241
the meta stuff is interesting but the plot itself is probably the worst in the franchise.

>Metal Gear Solid 2 was a joke. We knew it was a joke; that’s why we wrote an article about how it was literature; that everyone thought that article was serious and in turn started to seriously assess Metal Gear Solid 2 as literature speaks volumes about how good a joke Metal Gear Solid 2 was.

it's shitty on purpose so it's different

at least the tanker part was good

>>720205241
thats one of the very few vidya opinions were i instantly know you are a retard and a casual

>>720225547
casul

>>720213050
>>720215808

You fucking idiots, cant tell if youre ESL or just so spastic you can't slow down for 2 seconds. Anon obviously meant to say "seen any movies"

Kojima is a provocative and insulting artist, never missing an opportunity to re-deconstruct his MGS series with each new entry. Like creating an utterly single-player game about "cooperation" that's a 200-hour walking simulator about going outside your room -- he's an utterly cynical and contemptuous creator to this day.

This game is yet another glorified insult to what came before, and to you for having the gall to like what came before. And the insult is self-perpetuating now, persisting in the snide and derisive comments by fans decades later, because you're clearly low-IQ if you feel this MASTERPIECE is anything less than the greatest, most profound thing ever.

The Kojima intellectual bubble or "pond" is something I respectfully decline to be a part of.

>>720228036
Thats on anon, for whatever reason people actually think Saw is some high IQ shit. Poorly worded post on his end

>>720227490
you actually enjoy swimming to the surface every 10 seconds because the brat cant breathe? Its not hard, just annoying. Gameplay wise EE is the only part of MGS2 I would skip if I could. I make sure to snap her neck at least once a playthrough just to vent

>>720228467
>Kojima is a provocative and insulting artist
So... he's a channer?

>>720226661
>were

>>720223273
I guess I tolerated the backtracking more in 2 because there were more things to do along the way. In the first game you just had that one guy at the top of Rex and some cameras.

>>720232991
also cant forget the fucking slow elevators for mgs1. Feels like they didnt know where else to put the codec calls so they just said fuck it

It's over