*solves ARPGs*
Was like oh yea that's the game I was supposed to play at some point.Went to check if it's on some big sale, it turns out I already have the game and have beaten it. No recollection of buying and beating the game but okay
>>720208526Lucky you, you can experience it again.
'poch mogs it
>>720208705no one actually thinks thatthe only 3 valid picks are Grim Dawn, Diablo 2 and PoE1
>>720208252If they had put her on the promotional art on steam I would have bought it already.
how did diablo manage to have an unmatched setting when it comes to this genre?all these imitators haven't come close
>70 hours over the years>still havent finished the campaign once because I uninstall before then
>>720209078I like Grim Dawn's setting more actually.
>>720208252Grim Dawn was pretty forgettable and I played it a fuckton. The abilities/spells had no weight to them, very little to any particle effects/animations for all their abilities and constellation shit. It was just a bore.
>>720208252It's a game for autists who love "number go up" progression.That said, it does have some pretty neat fashion shit with certain helmets and armour sets.Bless the devs for adding the illusion options that honestly should be free instead of costing iron
>>720208252Are there mods that add playable beast races?
>>720209220>The abilities/spells had no weight to themThis anon gets it. I think I lasted 2 hours.
>>720208252*Is a dogshit game in you're path*
they added the dodge roll meme so I automatically dismissed the gamefuckin d4 plagued the genre with this shitty universal mechanic
>>720208252>picture of boxart>dogshit thread on braindead game that will be bumped forever
>>720208705Last Epoch has a lower playercount than Grim Dawn, a 10 year old game kek.
It's shit.
*diablolikes
>>720208252Finally, a nonpharmacological 100% effective sleep aid
>>720209369Just wait for the werewolf/raven transformation in the new DLC.
>>720208252it´s very slow and boring after a while chaseing after gigarare items just so you can do the next aids boss / area.decent gameplay though and was quite enjoyeable but it´s stuck in the past.
>3 constant ARPG threads that just get lazily bumped all day>9/9 thread deletedThis newfag mod is absolutely cancer
>>720213841>tranimego back
For me? Inquisitor Martyr, with latex outfits wearing assassin class.
>>720208705>autism spreadsheet genre>simplify everything down for casual mmo retardsthat aint it, chief. I had my fill but I will not be coming back
>>720214161>simplify everything down for casual mmo retardsBut that's exactly what grim dawn is. It's even simpler than last epoch is.
>>720214229bullshit. Grim dawn has a much more obtuse crafting and gearing process
>>720214241GFW is video games and one of the most unique shmups ever made. Cirno is also the most iconic midboss in all of video games.
>>720214362>Grim dawn has a much more obtuse crafting and gearing processNo it doesn't. It just spoonfeeds you upgrades. Why lie lol? It's so blatant it's not even worth arguing over when you're clearly being disengenous. This genre is for morons.
I have never seen anyone actually post their Grim Dawn characters. That entire game is a psyop.
>>720208252true. I'm done with live service
>>720214560It's because it's just 2 bronies bumping it day in and day out. Can't post the same characters over and over.
>>720208252Solves my lust for BOOBA
>>720209179I really enjoyed forest, dark forest, forested hills, and sparse forest. Really the gameplay is great the game suffers from a lack of good bosses.
>>720213748>it´s stuck in the past.based, buying 2 copies as we speak
>>720214456No one plays troonhue, absolutely zero discussion about the games.Bullet hell is a dead meme genre, and all posts are yuritroons shippers and shitty art.go back to >>>/jp/
This is my current Hardcore character. I am working on getting all the HC achievements in one go.
>>720215161>sentinelVery sensible for HC.
>>720214928>Bullet hell is a dead meme genreI would say it's one of the few primarily Japanese genres thats still played on /v/, which still regularly receives new games. This place is very quickly losing anything that makes it unique. Being a sad rpg codex clone populated by a handful of low IQ slavs that only play hyper casual rpgs and are openly hostile to japan is not going to keep this board alive and every last one of these people are newfaggots clinging to any reason they can to hang out here with the least amount of effort possible.
>>720215161for the love of God get a transmog for those pants
>>720215161I'm gonna finally give hardcore a go after I finish the game with my current char.>those stats and resistsI know.
I beat Act 5 for the first time last week, with a Necromancer/Occultist pet build. I used the Occultist perks that let you stack up retaliation on your pets, gear that made my Raise Skellies make more skellies at once and have lower cooldown, and had my bonebros suicide bomb everything.
why aren't you fuckers waiting for the DLC
>>720215421>I beat Act 5 for the first time last weekWow anon that must have been quite the accomplishment. I'm sure you put a lot of thought and effort into that.
>>720215459It ain't coming out until next year!
>>720208252Yawn'poch, 'oE, 'light 2 and old 'blo games all mog it to hell and back
how is the new titan quest ´lads?
>>720215459i'm doing a run with mods at the momentwhen the dlc comes out ill do a vanilla berserker runand then a berserker run with mods
>>720215419Centurion? What class combo and mod is that from?>>720215281I am replacing armor too fast to care about moggin it until later.
>>720215673grimarillionit's oathkeeper + diablo 3 crusader
As a PoE player, is managing 10 resists are horrible as I imagine it to be?
>>720215929Nothing you do in the game matters, the games just shits out gear with 15 affixes on it and you throw on whatever makes numbers go up
>>720216050>why yes I never played on anything but normal, how could you tell?
>>720216158The entire game is that, why lie?
>>720215840I haven't tried any mods beyond the season mod. I'll have to get them a go in the wait for the dlc.>>720215929You play PoE, it is much easier than looking at that PoE skill tree let alone making a build in it.
>>720216225Post characters.
>>720216239grimarillion is great because of the ridiculous amount of extra classes (and gear for them) it adds
>>720216329 Yeah I’ve been meaning to dive into Grimarillion for ages, just always get distracted midway through the install process figuring out all the dependencies. Heard it even folds in stuff from D3 and Titan Quest right? Honestly wish base Grim Dawn had half that ambition when it comes to mixing things up. Makes veteran act 1 feel like a different game entirely.
>>720216315I'll post my characters if you post your last 3 played games on steam
>>720216329Holy shit, that looks like it could keep me occupied for awhile.
>>720216383yeah the image i posted is literally the mastery select screen
Why won't they expand the inventory? So tired of modding every time.That designer/project lead is one stubborn fucking bitch.
>>720208705..in being absolute dogshit
>>720215161You won'tYou'll get one shot by something you barely saw for like a second, bypassing all your failsafest. I only play hardcore Grimmy D
>>720208705Doesn't that game cost like $30 and have a cash shop?
>>720208252It failed to solve how boring and mindless they are though.
>>720217424He understands hoarderfags: No matter how much space you give them, if it's not literally infinite hoarderfags will always complain. Unmodded GD has plenty of space if you're not keeping every piece of trash that drops because you "might need it someday".
Alright shills I saw it was on sale and took the bait. I’m assuming you’re trying to squeeze some new players out to expand your install base for the expansion next year.I’ll probably only make 1 or 2, 3 characters at most, what do you recommend to fun maxx while having an easy gearing path?Demolitionist with inqusitior or occultist looks cool to me and definitely a melee character, whats good, witchblade? Warder?
>>720217520I already almost died just by sitting in a poison pool while checking out some MIs. I expect it to happen, and then I'll try again with something else.>>720217424Maybe spend those attribute points and slot some stuff into your greens? Can't hoard your way into a good build.
>>720217648>He understands hoarderfags: No matter how much space you give them, if it's not literally infinite hoarderfags will always complain.Who are you quoting, who is complaining, in which games did that situation occur?They have barely expanded storage space since the beta.What the fuck does flexible, sufficient storage space have to do with 'hoarding', you strawmanning dipshit?
>>720217915>Maybe spend those attribute points and slot some stuff into your greens? Can't hoard your way into a good build.It's not my screenshot, it's a promo image from a mod page, retard.https://www.nexusmods.com/grimdawn/mods/77
>>720217707Demo and Inquisitor are both not melee friendly masteries. Some combo with soldier will be easy to build for early on since they have to many Monster In-frequents to apply to any skills. Anything with soldier or maybe shaman.
>>720217707Demolitionist/Inquisitor is very fun but you are going to be the quintessential glass cannon.Occultist/Soldier is tough and well supported by gear.For your third character, try Arcanist/Necromancer.
>>720217707For melee 2h primal strike is probably the most satisfying to level with. Could go with either Soldier or Inquisitor for the 2nd class. Constellations are Ultos, Kraken, Tsunami and whatever fill the rest.Do occultist+oathkeeper for the 2nd char with the 4 perdition sets the game throw at you.
>>720217707>>720218121i did soldier+demo for maximum john grimdawn memes
>>720214560When I do feel like playing, I just use mod classes. Base game ones are just low impact and no spark to them.
>>720218408Demo is fun. My first character was a Saboteur (demo/nightblade) before they buffed the endgame items to support it. Complete trash glass cannon that died to anything. Was a great time.
>>720208252>Grim Yawn
>>720218408Demo/Inquisitor and stacking Fire Strike bonuses with Bursting Round. Dumped all my devotion points into +fire damage% and held down M1 for 50 hours and won.Whoops, accidentally made a good build and sapped all the fun and challenge out of the game by Act 3.
Grim Dawn was insanely boring to me, walking through the same brown hallways doing the same fucking attack and looking through loopy ass constellation system for buffs to my same ass attackThe gear kept getting more and more affixes until it was fucking YuGiOh text of different resistances and stats that meant I could do the same attack against enemies and they would die faster. I have no idea how you people can stand playing through beyond just rhe campaign as it’s not even an interesting story, a game literally made for the most-barebones gameplay without any sort of interesting art or locale
a lot of the items are pushing for builds that are inherently bad. most spells are channeling which is terrible in every game ever
>>720220109>Grim Dawn was insanely boring to meYou can go back to CoD, Madden and Marioh any time.
>>720220109>it’s not even an interesting storyThe most interesting lore/story in the game comes from all the side content. The main story is just "oh no, the green guys are here go kill the thing, oh wait nevermind it's the blood guys now go kill the thing, conglaturations you done it". Arkovia, the Hidden Path, and Kymon are all infinitely more interesting but they all ultimately lead to nothing except tidbits. It's actually extremely frustrating.
>>720220506>most spells are channeling There is one channeling spell. 4 with DLC. And only two of them actually works without needing to farm for lvl 80+ gear pieces. Well I'm not sure if other two work with gear either.
>>720208252I've played through this game like 2-3 times just hovering over enemies and pressing Blitz or holding down M1 with Cadence activated. I'm not sure if I'm having fun or not, it's like it's keeping you in limbo where you're getting dopamine from seeing tons of damage and XP progression from smashing a group of enemies but at the same time it's so so very mindless.
>>720217424ive collected my grail with vanilla stash tabs. i had to make 8 characters tho>>720217520 finished hardcore with dual shields. the best one in my opinion is hidden under statue just below rift in conclave of the three
>>720208252the epitome of pigeonholing
>>720221064If you have to make mules, you fucked up as a designer.It's possible to greatly expand storage space, if you want to collect mats, trinkets, unique armours etc- you just have to go through a BILLION loading screens when switching between mules.It's crazy how dedicated they are to annoying players.
>>720221528nah i have all my crafting gear on shared stash. mules are for individual pieces like armor/weapons etc
>>720208252Played it and it got so goddamn boring after 10 hours. I don't understand why people here shill this game so hard, it does nothing original.
>>720215840How do those class mods work? I can't imagine the bloat of class/skill bonus effects from fucktupling the number of classes. It's already a little annoying getting something that works for you, now diluting that pool even further?Or do they even add stuff that affects the added classes?
>>720208252I lost my 400+ hour save entirely and want a fucking sequel damn it.
What's the end game like? Diablo 2 where you basically never die or Diablo 3 on high torment where you can die
>>720223571Immortal until a boss rolls a really imbalanced weapon and gibs you out of nowhere
>>720208252you can't solve this genre, if you make it good everyone complains
>>720220506>a lot of the items are pushing for builds that are inherently badI agree to an extent a lot of items are just bad or the archetype they're going for doesn't work which sucks when you think you've found an interesting combo for a unique build, but often you're not supposed to just use everything on the stat card anyways. It's fine and sometimes optimal to just use an item for one of the major bonuses it gives.One easy example is Rutnick's Blasters. Going Oathkeeper is the obvious first choice the item is tailor made for Righteous Fervor. Going Arcanist as a supporting class seems intuitive because Rutnick's also buffs an Arcanist skill and Arcanist supports Aether, but actually you're better off pairing Oathkeepr with Necromancer. Then at endgame you have the Bonemonger set as the ultimate goal that supports Necro and Oathkeeper. The fact that it supports Inquisitor too is irrelevant to you. Often a lot of the best in slot items for a build will leave half of the listed bonuses off the table.
>>720223752It’s a junkfood genre you gobble up til it’s gross then come back a few years later and do it againThe people that get addicted or play poe have some sort of serious issue though
>>720223413some bonuses are added to existing items on top of other modifierssome drop (i think only titan quest ones) from enemiessome drop as resources (tq/d3/zenith have their own resource(you can convert them into different ones)) that you use to craft a random modded itemsome are just crafted
>>720209220Aether Ray has weight to it. Shit is GOAT spell.
why should i play this over d1/d2/d3/poe/poe2i dont have the dlc are they worth
>Got 10/10 triplerare thing for a new char, also find like 3/4 gear for him in a stash too.>Drop that char on a 40 lvl.How to fix this problem, bros...
>>720227270>i dont have the dlc are they worthyes and you can pirate them
>pirateso it has begun. just putting it out here dont try pirating last epoch because you will have to redownload again and again every patch
>>720216329Unless I'm mistaken, this seems like it has less masteries than dawn of masteries which is what I used last time I played. https://www.nexusmods.com/grimdawn/mods/82
>>720209078Diablo has a setting?
>>720208526Funny>>720208574This
this is the greatest arpg ever
How do i get past the first act without boring myself
>>720229292cheat engine with speedhack
>>720229292by playing the game, but dont worry the whole game is boring as fuck
>>720208252Grim Dawn has the deepest lore too.>https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/grim-dawn-lore-notes-pdf-and-ebook-epub-new-update-1-1-9-0/50203
any fun melee builds
>>720233073poe thread is two blocks down
>>720233073shaman with anything
>>720229292this but act 2
>still no wasd supportI aint clicking no more. Fuck you
One of the few games that made me think "What the fuck am I doing right now, I could've been doing something productive". Everything in it is well done but it's so boring
>>720237318The pathing in GD is completely fucked, I'd kill for WASD movement. Malmouth is a fucking nightmare.
>>720217707Depend on the content you want to clear and if you want to play piano.You'll probably need a guide for the Celestial bosses but you can also choose to ignore them because they're a MAJOR difficulty spike compared to the rest of the game and the only content with the latter parts of the Shattered Realm that require you to try hard.As for ease of play, classes like Nightblade are fun but also require you to push many button and cycle skills while Soldier is braindead and safe but also boring unless paired with a fun class.
>>720238931>Soldier is braindead and safe but also boring unless paired with a fun classWhat’s a good second mastery then? Forcewave seems totally op compared to cadence and bleed slash move
>>720227270do you want to play solo or do you want to interact with people?>soloPlay GD>I want to trade/barter/whatever with peoplePlay anything else.
>>720239161Soldier + Occutist with a Forcewave build is very safe and can clear the story on ultimate hardcore as long as you don't touch the Celestial bosses but is also very boring.>Forcewave seems totally op compared to cadence and bleed slash moveForcewave is indeed broken until the late game.The 2 other skills are actually better in the late game so most people usually use Forcewave to level up a character until 90~ and then respect everything into the build of their choice.As for a good second mastery... just pick what's seems cool because the game is ultimately rather easy.
my only memory of this is playing demolitionist and doing nothing but running away and throwing grenados once i unlocked them
>>720208252>buy game because /v/ endlessly glazes it>slow>clunky>builds play mostly the same>spells and skills are underwhelming and cookie cutter>story and characters are unfathomably bland, don't even remember a single one by name, might as well be AI generated slopwaow /v/ shills a mediocre game simply because it's not very popular who would have guessed
>>720208252GD is the only arpg where the campaign is just the game and theres no autistic endgame>wins by being a video game
>>720240162>tranime
>>720240326>retarded newfagThat reaction image is probably older than you.
>>720208705For me, Last epochs problem is the lack of simplicity in the skills. No I don't want to throw a javelin, turn into a Ent, or teleport around a million times. Just give me a hammer and let me bash monsters over the head with it.And no, default attack does not count.
for me it's pet builds, I had fun with my necromancer + occulist build
>>720240162>story and characters are unfathomably blandThe Ulgrim plotline going into AoM is hilarious. This character we barely interact with during the main campaign literally just poofs out of existence in the middle of the final boss to no fanfare at all then the entire first half of the DLC is hyping up the journey to track down the fan favorite, iconic Ulgrim, who we still know basically nothing about despite being one of the "main" characters in the overall plot.I don't think a single person played through AoM and was like "HOLY FUCK DUDE HOLY SHIT IT'S HIM, IT'S ULGRIM!!!!!! WE SAVED ULGRIM!!!!!".
>>720242229And it's still mostly Creed being overly OMG OMG about the whole deal. The guy who leads the surviving humanity... by porting between portals pretending that he just arrived at the nick of time - the portals your busy ass secures every time.Is there a single victory or portal secured by this guy? Other than Devil's Crossing? big kek
>>720239695In that pic I'd go for Outcast, but I usually murder her in-game
>>720242002until you hit 70 and your shit gets wiped from one pack of mobsPets are fun, but kinda ass
>>720242002How many pets/minions can you get
>>720240326holy newfag nigger alert
>>720243521I had like 10+ pets including the bloated fat golem, the crow and dog familiar, plus the whole skeleton crew and the wendigo pet which would pop off from a spell
>>720229292>implying it gets more fun after act 1grim yawn is trashpoe1 >>> [POWER GAP] >>> diablo 2 [NIGH INFINITE STRETCH] >>> excessively modded torchlight 2 >>> all the rest (grim yawn goes here)
>>720242229I love Grim Dawn, but the entire game is written by complete idiots. We deal with that guy from Devil's Crossing, who is some sort of leader of the military effort to keep the aetherials at bay. He is obsessed with some woman, to the detriment of his mission. The woman is, naturally, a boss bitch who can survive on her own and is annoyed by being treated like someone who needs help. Not sure why she is not saving the world instead of the main character, but ok, I can let that slide. Then later, if you have Malmouth expansion, Devil's Crossing is attacked, it's walls breached by some sort of aetherial kaiju. Why not tie that to the incompetence of the defenders somehow? It would make the previous story arc relevant but they just ignore it as if the story was written by ten different idiots that resented each other. Every plot thread is written like that: they lead nowhere and tie to nothing.The attempts to make the world lived in might be the most egregious, though. The merchant rape story line and then running into two scammers whose scam is to kneel by a road side, one holding a gun to the other's head, just to say "gimme money or I will kill this person". Someone wrote that shit, felt it was good enough to push into the game and no one stopped them.
>>720208705do you actually believe this? why?
>>720243806>excessively modded torchlight 2mind dropping some names?
>>720243806I don't know what's with Torchlight 2. It's mechanically good, it's Diablo 2 (Cartoon), it's fun enough. I finished it once and have negative desire to go back to it.
>>720239695The bad thing with this is there's fuck-all booba in the game. There are tits on sphinx statues in the second expansion and I think that's about it. Honestly wish more ARPGs would lean into the tits and ass because they're already brainless hack and slash games so I don't think anyone's going to care about being thematically appropriate because who gives the slightest fuck about story in an ARPG
>>720239593Well Soldier forcewave builds are like evergreen, they always work and don't take much effort to get online. Soldier in general is one of those masteries that mixes well with just about anything, even if you're only taking it for the passives and none of the skills.
I haven't played in 5 years. How are AAR builds now? Worse? Better?
>On an arpg kick, finished Titan Quest for the first time and pick this up straight after>Decide on Demolitionist + Occultist>Have a shitload of fun in the first 2 acts spamming explosions and covering the screen in fire>Reach act 3, Grim Yawn starts to set in>Enemies are now barely a threat if ever, all feel the same and have no abilities I need to pay attention to/haven't seen in the previous acts>My Mastery points are just going into passives that give +X% to Y damage type >Each ability has 2 boring passives for some reason and barely any weird or situational stuff to play around with >Constellation tree is not much better>Beat the final boss by standing still, holding M1 and rolling my fingers over the number keysIt's a shame because I really wanted to like Grim Dawn but it just felt so boring by the end, especially coming from Titan Quest where I felt I had to pay attention to what was happening in the final acts and with Masteries that felt more unique
>>720243190based Anasteria fan
>>720244137The skills are shit, the maps are bad and the monsters are annoying. Lots of enemies with random iframes.
When's the dlc coming out?Also, riftbreaker is fuckin' kino
>>720244137The other guy is mostly right. Annoying monsters mixed in with annoying systems and skills that need to hit break points to become good (for like 90% of them) isn't the best, but some of the classes are clearly better than others. A ranged cannoneer Engineer or Frost Embermage or just about any Outlander build will be infinitely better than a melee build of any class. So I hope you didn't want to play the berserker character, he's going to be shit for a long time with short range mixed with the enemies causing heavy knockback (that you have to get knockback resist onto gear to mitigate) means you will not have a fun time if you go full melee. The pet system with the fish is neat and allows you to do your dungeoneering for longer by just sending the pet back to sell excess loot and buy more scrolls of identification, but the game is still filled with many annoying bugbears.
>>720245084Next year.https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/fangs-of-asterkarn-development-update-june-2025/146114
>>720244727You're lucky you didn't pick up the DLCs then felt obligated to finish them too because you spent money.
>>720244154The minute one does, I will play it
>>720240162It's one of those games where you can pretty much anyone who likes it is a retard, much like morrowind, vtmb, and new vegas.
>>720245663they should've just make a 2nd game, the game already has enough content to last a lifetime and they wanna add more shit into it, it's kinda annoying in a sense with dealing with items and item bloat
>>720246251Crate is still going full steam ahead with the idea of an RTS in the Grim Dawn universe set before the triple apocalypse.
>>720246251Second game would raise expectations. Expectations such as not using a 20 year old engine. They don't wanna deal with that mess.
>>720243806>poe1You are subhuman
>>720246163>vtmb
Grim Yawn only gets good on ultimate difficulty which means beating the game twice to even get to it.
The Diablo2 mod is pretty good. I rolled Classic necro and Druid with like 40 summons, maybe more
>>720248018But by that point you can buy the things that let new characters start on ultimate immediately.
>>720248018I struggled on vet
>>720250736Vet sucks. Don't play vet.
>>720251808It's something like 10% more xp for more difficulty, but frankly you'll level far faster on the regular mode since mobs won't take as long to kill and you aren't being wombo combo'd to death by basic bitch enemies and sent to the fucking shadow realm by elites and bosses.
>>720252412I never had those issues on Vet.
>>720250736Veteran is such a troll>here's optional hard mode>by the way, the enemy stats are increased so much that the already restrictive earlygame levelling is made even more restrictive. Pump Blackwater Cocktail or get fucked.>also if you do manage to beat it, Elite is basically the same power level for another entire playthrough
>>720248503Only if you have the DLC which is an omega kike move.
Are there any ARPGs with traditional CRPG mechanics like dialogue systems, open-ended quest design, choices & consequences, non-combat mechanics, etc.?
>>720253980What mastery combo is omega kike
>>720254685Probably Inquisitor, which was so stupidly powerful they had to repeatedly tone down a lot of the skills.
>>720254230What's Baldurs gate?
>>720208252Every time I try out a new ARPG after a few hours I'm just like, "Damn, I wish I was playing Diablo 2 right now."
>>720208252>ARPGscandy crush for autists, what a terrible genre
>>720208252>grim yawnI can't wait to walk at the same speed for the entire game no matter how "powerful" my character becomes.
>>720213841I think it's funny to post real women in "do I pass" tranny subreddits.
>>720256217>>grim yawnyou retarded simpleton dipshit.
>>720256545>yawntranny anally devastated by a simple, common pejorativelmao
>>720255327I can't stop myself from comparing these games to Diablo 2 and it always ruins it.
>>720256780Because it basically created the genre so it's fair to compare it
>>720254771>Play Inquisitor>Cast word of pain for 20hI could feel my brain shutting down while playing.
>>720245613My first playthrough of T2 was an Embermage and there were two passives for Fire and Ice that were something along the lines of doing (ice|fire) damage to an enemy makes the next (fire|ice) damage do extremely high levels of burst so I ended up alternating the ice and fire AoEs for half the game and clearing entire screens without engaging with any of the enemies.One of the big problems of ARPGs is how unbalanced skills are so you end up breaking the game over your knee the second you use your brain. Diablo 2 doesn't have this issue, you can get powerful for sure but the only point where the game becomes your bitch is after hundreds of hours of grinding, you can't do it on accident.
>>720208252>makes the blandest, most boring, most unengaging ARPG in the world>somehow people slobber all over your cock just because your people originally made a very pretty and refreshing ARPG years before
>>720258876>makes the blandest, most boring, most unengaging ARPG in the world>follows it up by making another one of the blandest, most boring, most unengaging ARPGs in the world>somehow people slobber all over your cock over bothI will never, ever understand the love for TQ. Kids that were into mythology?
>Path of Exile is STILL the best even over a fucking decade laterIf that game added an offline mode I swear nobody would bother with any other ARPG ever.
>>720260354>path of exile>offline>drop rates worse than d2>the endgame is more trading than playingPlease fuck off
>>720260354the skilltree and ascensions are really good for build autism, TQ and Grim Dawns system is too linear compared to that
>>720260354Honestly if they released PoE as a one time purchase single player game I would buy it in a heartbeat.
>>720260541Autism isn’t a meme here, the game is for the mentally ill and chinks
>>720208705i love the 'poch but the campaign is too long and its basically an extended tutorial
>boring, janky, trash looking gameit only solved r*dditsois copium to play a non mainstream arpg
>>720216329Damn. I feel like I'd need to be able to mix 3 or 4 classes with that many.Like, god damn.Does that also add more Devotion constellations? No that there aren't a fuckton already, but if we are being excessive, might as well go the whole way.
>>720208705There's more substance behind Grim Dawn. LE has a very interesting take on some of the character classes, but the story is very weak and spends too much time in the corrupted past. The first setting you see and the dinosaur age look so fucking cool, it's like a completely different game, and those settings are mostly wasted in favour of forgettable ones.
>try a variety of skills>spread my points around to experiment and try to find synergies>struggle hard until the act 1 final boss is basically unkillable>turns out the correct way to play is to dump it all into a singular skill and bind your default attack to that>the rest goes into passive buffs>the entire rest of the game is literally no different than what you were playing like at level 5If all ARPGs are like this, then this is not a genre for me.
>>720209078Because they were young and having fun, making cool games because they wanted to. Diablo's lore is cool but it's also bolstered by sick voice acting in places like for Farnham, and especially in dedicated lore logs you can access from the menu that narrate parts of the world's history with Diablo and the Prime Evils.
>>720261929It's true, that's how I cleared the campaign on whatever hardest difficulty. Luckily I enjoyed using the Necromancer's life drain channelling skill, but in all my time playing with the builder I just can't make the skill points go around for things I want to do (unless maybe I don't need as many as I think I do in certain skills).
>>720208252Everyone in the PoE2 chat says "lol, grim yawn" whenever it gets brought up.
>>720262480It's just one of those memes that dudes can't stop themselves from saying even if there's 10 people saying it at the same time
>>720262349What youre supposed to do is use as much class-buffing gear as possible to get free skill points, giving you the choice of either over-buffing a few skills or getting more skills.
>>720262480pooe player are cultists. Poch chat was pretty friendly and people seemed to enjoy all sorts of arpgs when I played
>>720262952Oh, they really hate Last Epoch. Some people would defend Grim Dawn, but pretty much nobody would defend Last Epoch.
>>720261929grim yawn fags cant cope with the trvke
so what is the best arpg for somebody to really appreciate the genre? I liked the general idea and build autism of path of exile but I didn't like the overall game
>>720263442Diablo 1 and 2
>>720263442I've never cared much for any ARPG I played until PoE2's extensive build autism so I don't know what to tell you.
>>720212159>7k for epoch>1k for grim yawn?
>>720213982Go back where?
>>720263442Diablo 2
>>720261929why would you want more buttons in a click to kill genre. I loved that my purifier screenclears with just the right mouse button
>>720208252I like Grim Dawn.I like Last Epoch.I like Path of Exile.I DON'T like Path of Exile 2.
>>720263442>but I didn't like the overall gameMaybe a CRPG like the pathfinder games?There's a whole lotta more reading in that, but the build autismo can get pretty intense.
I like Diablo III.Fight me.And lose.
Why did Torchlight 3 fail?
oh yeah that happened...
>>720208252whens the frost titty barbarian expansion you fags?
>>720263531>extensive build autism>PoE2
>>720264135next year
>>720263992It's fine, but it's owned by Blizzard. They will kill it, and any and all time (or money) you spent on it will be wasted.
>>720264061Wasn't made by the original devs
>>720264061literally chinkslop
>>720264660>They will kill it, and any and all time (or money) you spent on it will be wasted.I never played it, but isn't diablo III a single player game?
>>720208252It's fine but it looks and plays 10 years older than it is.
>>720263895PoE2 is such dogshit that it broke my POE addiction.
>>720265007It's an arpg that requires a constant internet connection to play, but did have up to 4 player multiplayer co-op. The thing is that Blizzard made it originally with a real money auction house in mind that gimped drop rates hard, to entice people to use said auction house. Each transaction Blizzard would take a little off the top, and made money hand over fist until eventually removing it once it became apparent they were killing their own game with their greed. Now it's a (mostly) alright arpg, but still requires the online connection to Blizzards servers to play at all. When they eventually decide to shut those servers down (or Blizzard goes bankrupt and closes) the game will become vaporware effectively overnight.
>>720263895>>720265143I never played PoE1 and only played 2 over the free weekend, can you explain what's so bad about 2 and what's so good about 1?
>>720266512Passive tree is stupid, downsides make so many nodes into shit.Ascendancies feel so fucking boring and small, like the worst of PoE1 necromancer which has like 3 nodes of just shitty stat boostsBalance is even worse than the original, completely cheapening the idea of "meaningful" combat because I could have should have might have would have just cheesed it all anyway if I wanted to fight properlyAbove problem is especially bad because it leaches into every facet of any community for the game (why didn't you just run lightning spear bro?)Maps are all annoying with all their FUCKING dead ends, and being too large in generalFrustrating stupid monsters like the drowning orb bitchesetc
Please give me a detailed description of Last Epoch and Path of Exile 1 and 2 so that someone that has only played Diablo 2 as a kid can choose what ARPG to play after all these years.
>>720268312tl:dr just keep playing diablo 2
>>720268312stick with poe 1 if you have purchased the storage or you will suffer. In my opinion this is the perfect arpg game.last epoch feels fresh and each skill has its own skill tree which feels vast but intuitive. The story might not be as good as poe 1 but the way it introduce the game mechanics while you progress story is well done. You get to play tetris with charms like in D2 pretty early except it has its own designated inventory space which I think was designed for convenience. It's pretty good.I don't want to talk about poe 2
>>720217424Just use GDStash.
>>720244154
i feel like grim dawn only has 1 catchy music
>>720268312Download Grim Dawn and play Grim Dawn and then when you get bored of Grim Dawn install and play the Diablo 2 mod Reign of Terror.
Why do (You) play ARPGs?
