Now that the dust has settIed, I've come to realize that Silksong was just merely a fun little distraction while Clair Obscur is high art, the likes of which we won't see again for many years.
based
who was in the wrong here?
>>720240282Imagine sampling the first batch of milk from those young breasts. I feel like it would be a permanent +1 Constitution buff.
>turn-cringeLoline won
>>720240282I'm really enjoying Silksong, but yeah it doesn't hit like E33 did.
>>720240543who
>>720240282Do you still get paid as much as right after launch?
>>720240491They were both wrong.
>>720240282>literal QTE combat>high artNo different from people claiming that Heavy Rain was high art
>>720240282Maelle you're shitting yourself go to the toilet,
>>720241524>posting on /v/>for free evenlol, lmao even
>>720240491fuck both of themthe true choice is picking maelles ending only to save golgra and the rap battling grandis
>>720240282Silksong was boring and drawn-out. Finishing it felt like a chore. E33 was about the right size and I was left wanting more. If there were other titles in the series, I'd get on them immediately.
KCD2 and Bananaza are both better games
>>720241524No I’m getting money from Team Cherry now
>>720240282These two fanbases largely do not overlap and this attempt to get them to dislike each other is probably too clever for indians on the job, so I must ask: Why do you shitpost?
>>720241964I liked SS and consider it a solid 2nd place. But that was the last real challenger to E33 this year. GOTY is locked in. >But Death Stranding 2!>Bananza!>Kingdom Come 2!Mediocre and forgettable. I'm looking forward to Yotei but I already know it's going to be a retread. Hopefully a fun one.
>>720240491both>>720241525this
>>720242568Competing for GOTY bragging rights causes all fanbases to overlap.
>>720242820vavra rugpulled supports of KCD1 in a very jewish manner, they may yet reward him for it.>>720242887HK fans have been discussing their game contentedly for like 8 years and they already love SS, E33 fans were just glad that a small company put out a good game and the risk of having a heavily story based RPG paid off for once. It feels like the only people concerned about either of these games winning GOTY are AAA fanboys that desperately want their own games to get it.
>>720242820Why are you people so obsessed with an award?
>>720240282Clair Obscur is boringit's like the whole game is the last dungeon in a FFno variety, just the last trek to the last boss in a "oh look so chaotic everything is detroyed" environementa normal world is need first to feel the weight of the destroyed world
>>720240282>generic blurry UE5 slop>high art
>>720240282>tfw porn of her is bannedfug
>>720243086needed*
>>720243086can you post it again, in english this time?
>>720243215Which word or sentence did you not understand?
>>720240861how it that playtime even possible
>>720240282>4 niggas in a row>high artlmao
>>720243492went through NG+ twice for a baguette weapon
>>720243492having fun
>>720240282is that clair? she's really pretty.
>>720243086You should try playing the game.
>>720243904i went like 15 hours in, when does it get better? all i saw was the same reality warped/everything destoyed repetitive environnement
>>720243726>>720243756thats fair
>>720240282dont you think the fact your “high art” is being put up against a 2d metroidvania a sign that it isn’t really high art? Like nobody compares Beethoven to Imagine dragons, because Beethoven is in a completely different league.
>>720240491Verso for not sitting on my cock
>>720240282both pale in comparison to project nortubel
I GOT EXPEDITION 33 FATIGUE FROM THE SHILLS WHO KEEP POSTING THREADS ON THE DAILY. I WONDER HOW MUCH THEYRE GETTING PAID TO DO THIS.
>>720240282They're both subpar games for casuals pretending to be "real" gamers.
>>720244102What's the last environment you saw? The first few areas (Lumiere, Spring Meadows, Flying Waters, Ancient Forest, Esquie's Nest, Stone Wave Cliffs) all look extremely different. What about them is repetitive?
>>720244313I recommend spending less time on reddit saar.
>>720240282Except the artistic qualities of Silksong easily surpass those of E33. Visually, Silksong is original and hand crafted, whereas E33 is ugly and mostly made of asset flips. Where special effects and that sort of thing come into play, Sandfall didn't do any artwork for that because they outsourced the work to Koreans.Musically E33 is technically better, but I don't personally believe anyone likes violin that much. It's more of a bandwagon thing.Silksong even beats E33 on story. The emotion evoked in the lore of these stupid little bugs is more human and authentic than anything in E33, which focuses more on melodrama.And in terms of gameplay, Silksong wins hands down. Its game design is far more artistic in conception and in the fruits of the player's execution.
>>720243492I did only on run and my playtime is 170 hours or so.I played most "Offline", i.e. I didn't browse /v/ or saw content related to the game.In the end I pretty much did all by my own, except killing Simon. I reached Arc III in like 55 hours, so the rest of the game was me doing side quests and exploring
>>720244897>mostly made of asset flipsMay I see them?
>>720244967>170 hours in one run and didn't kill simonWere you just not interested in cheesing? Once you've got everything there are a number of ways to trivialize the fight.
>>720244897>Sandfall didn't do any artwork for that because they outsourced the work to KoreansStop lying Rasheet, Sandfall did every artwork of the game. Koreans only monkeycoded gameplay animation.Rest of your brown post is discarded.
>>720243492I have a similar playtime. I played on expert? Or is it expeditioner, the hardest one anyway, without bothering with any gay shit like "builds" or "stats". I did level up and use pictos/luminas but mostly utility ones and not damage ones and just played the game more like dark souls where I banged my head against each enemytype and boss until I learned their attacks. I could probably do most blindfolded now. I unironically had fun
>>720245126I actually didn't understand what was the point of having many energising stats like I, II, III, it was my fault for not experimenting with it, but then again I pretty much got all the pictos needed.I played in expert, and I beat all the other bosses like the couple made of Renoir & Aline in the Endless tower or Clea's painting pretty much parrying.In the end, I was lvl 99 and most regular bosses I pretty much was able to 1 hit kill.
>>720245595I get you, Simon is just an extreme skill check for parrying or cheesing, you won't beat him the way you beat other bosses.
>>720244967>>720245549I legit thought the game was like a 30 hour experience at most so I assumed it had to be multiple playthroughs.
>>720246582You can do everything, including optional content, related to the story in about 30 hours, but completionist runs on a first playthrough tended to run about double that from what I've seen.
Expedition 33 is not the best JRPG, is the best RPG of ALL TIME.
>>720246840>AI generatedGOOD MORNING SAR
>>720247174yes
>>720247295that's a man
>>720246840>>720241586
Cute indie game you got. You might get lucky just because GTA 6 isn't out this year in the music department
>>720246582It technically is if you only do the story and some side stuff and don't die much, but on hard and doing most side stuff can easily double/triple that. Souls games are technically 10-hour games, but you're gonna die a lot and not know where to go so they end up lasting more like 30 hours on a first playthrough.
>>720247370Of course not, she has lordosis like every girl from a videogame.
>>720240282based
for me it's maelle with vintage hair in pure outfit
>>720250509>pFor me it's painted me + baguette hair (in blackface)
>>720250509Short White Hair + Obscura Outfit
>>720240282It's okay.
>>720240861based kino enjoyer
>>720250671lmao filtered
>>720240543lolines game is better for my dick and for bringing my favorite streamer back, but objectively e33 is better in pretty much everyway
>>720240282>Now that the dust has settled Getting real sick of your cliche catchphrases.
MAELLE SEX
>>720240282both games suck dick
>>720246582It's like 30h to get to the penultimate fight and you can fly straight to the end but there's a shitlaod of "optional" content. Some of it is just challenge for it's own sake but it's also a lot of lore/story to see and that takes another 15h or something.
>>720240282I still need to play this. It looks fun.
>>720246840What the fuck do you think the J in JRPG stands for, dumbass?
>>720254007Jeuropean
>>720254007
>>720240282Cumming inside Maelle.
>>720254803when i found this outfit the game went from thinking "this is a cool artsy fartsy game" to pure goon fueled "god i wish maelles legs were wrapped around my head"holy sexonow post the whole thing you whore
>>720254803What a fine body
I will never play this game because JRPGs are pure slop but the Asian with the tiddy bounce looks pretty hot.
>>720255424I love her tight, pert ass and slim legs. God bless those horny frogs.
>>720255667whoa, do you have more anon?
>>720255424That's delicious. Thank god I was teenager once and had the chance to fuck a couple of these.
>>720242568Both tranny games
>>720255774I have this.
>>720255841This brings back so many good memories. If men had the chance to relive one memory perfectly an infinity number of times, I bet most of us would choose to be able to relive fucking our 16yo gfs
>>720255667>Ohh no my boots!
>>720255934Hahahaha yeah we all had GFs in our teens hahahahaha totally bro amirite?
>>720255934That's some pretty funny bait.
>>720241746you don't save anything though, the Maelle ending just buys them a few more years at best before things either just end suddenly or they gradually get worse and worse as everything falls apart. even the devs say it's the bad ending
>>720240491Verso, he just needed to play along, fuck Lune, know the joys of fatherhood, play the fucking piano like he always wanted and hang out with his BFFs with no monsters killing all his temporary friends for 60ish more years and then he was good to kill himself and send Maelle back to the real world.
why does she have no fanart
>>720256340
>>720255774
>>720256340No thanks!
>>720253785I thought I had played the game pretty thoroughly but it seems I actually missed a fucking ton of stuff from what I see on here. I don't even know who the fuck this Simon guy is.
>>720240282The Knight was a better brother than Verso
>>720243000Personally I want E33 to be GOTY because I want more games like it, and also because it would humiliate the corporate developers who are fucking so many things up on purpose for money.
>>720240282Nine sols is a better game than HK anyway
>Daily E33 and crypto E33 threadswhy?
>>720256513kino easter egg
>>720256969Why are people talking about a game they like on /v/ and not talking about gacha or politics? This is a disaster!
>picking a woman's side
>>720256495
Maellefags have daddy issues IRL
The vegans of gaming fanbases.
>>720255582she cute
>>720257286>picking a faggot's sideEven gayer.
>>720240491there was no choice. verso is the canon ending. dude obviously beats maelle in a 1 on 1.
>>720259185Monoco doesn't have any balls so it's not gay when they cuddle
>>720259185FACTS, they play any other game with a final boss thats goal is literally "i wanna end the world" you find it out pretty early too. Verso lied the entire game basically. and youre like "nah fk that" goes on to defeat the final boss. You didnt care what this "evil person" wanted because you cared about the "many" in this developed (aka painted) world. Then the popular choice in E33 is Verso ending. I'm just like bruh. Did you ever just stop playing at the final boss fight for every game youve ever played (because the final boss was sad or didnt get their way)? I chose Maelle's in a heartbeat.
>>720259864b-b-but verso doesn't want to play the piano. That means that all the sentient paint people with feelings, dreams and free will have to die.
>>720261367They're going to die soon either way, anon. Or be repeatedly erased and brought back by Maelle when they go against her will, like she's already doing to Verso and the ending shows the paint consuming her. Maelle ending leads to her becoming the evil god everyone thought the Paintress was in the beginning.
>>720240282e33 shills are bigger non-gamer tourists than last of us shills, and far more insecure than those guys as well. the french truly are a talentless, soulless lot of hacks. also you fags lost GOTY.
>>720261506Based. Verso reaps what he sowed for decades.
>>720240282>Clair Obscur is high art, the likes of which we won't see again for many years.Very true. E33 is the Ulysses of video games. If you don't agree, you're high brow enough.
>>720262095Reaps what he sows? He was painted into the world as a replacement son for an insane woman. He knows that he is not real, he's just a painted copy of a dead person, and yet he still wants to save and protect the real Verso's family. He's the only one who knows that none of this is real, that it's all just a painting, and he still tries to make other people's lives better. Still, he intends to put an end to the lie. In other words, you're a dumb bitch.
Never played hollow knight but it looks like one of the millions of already existing 2D side scroller
>>720262453He was drawn into existence by one insane woman and then is forced to continue living against his will by another insane woman, and somehow people think he's the bad guy.
silkfags have gone into seething overdrive over the metacritic score lol. Even tendies weren’t this mad
>>720262453>He's the only one who knows that none of this is realSo why do do you care about him suffering?
>>720262453You left out the part where he murdered his squad for daring to question him btw
>>720262850Or how he got to spend 70 years having the time of his life with real Verso's imaginary friends and plapping cute expeditioner girls while the Lumerians were desperately trying to avoid getting genocided.
>>720262962Is it ever explained that Aline is going to die if the number reaches 0 or is Verso just soooo tired of living that he wants to speed up the process?
>>720262191Not only have you never read ulysses, you don't even know what its about.
>>720262813What a strange gotcha. Did you even play the game?>>720262850>>720262962no reason to act childish and tell lies. Just admit that you hate Renoir because he reminds you of your father, and you're jealous of Verso, and you had gay feelings for Gustav.
>>720263434>no reason to act childish and tell lies>Verso reaps what he sowsWhere's the lie? He murdered his squad for questioning him, Maelle kills him for opposing her. That's karma. Did you even play the game?
>>720263601You watched a stream of it didn't you
>>720262850>>720262962Or how he intentionally let Gustave die, a man his sister loves, just because he didn't wanna chance an argument later. Verso apologists are actually braindead
>>720263627>deflects
>>720263601>Maelle kills him for opposing herNo she doesn't, she basically controls his body and makes him act out her escapist fantasies while he suffers. She could just erase him at any time and continue living her imaginary painting life, but she forces him to continue suffering just for her own sake, knowing exactly what that means and having 100% control of reality. She's the closest thing to an evil character in the game, even though she's just doing it out of pain and grief.
>>720263434What is it with your faggot ass and Renoir? You come into every thread projecting your daddy issues onto everyone else.
>>720263316Wrong and wrong. I know high art. E33 and Ulysses are both in the same echelon of timeless media. When you think Ulysses, you think E33. When you think Joyce, you think Svedberg-Yen. There are no equals.
>>720263639Are you actually fucking stupid? In either ending, the painting world ends. One is sooner than the other, and the other might be a lot more painful, but the world is doomed either way.
Maellefags never even consider for a second how the soul of true Verso feels, the boy who made this painting that has since been defaced and turned into a hell by his insane family. The boy who is tired of all this but is trapped in this painting with them anyway, and he never even liked painting. He just wanted to play music.
>>720263204What was Aline even holding on to at that point?Her Clea had disappeared, her Verso was hanging around with expeditioners trying to kick her out of the painting and all she had was the daughter that she hated and a walking dildo version of the guy that broke her fake family.
>>720263204Pretty sure that at 0, everything that she added to the fantasy Gestral world Verso originally painted is erased completely. Maybe the original painting would be left but either way it will be destroyed IRL
>>720263884I got the impression that Aline is communicating with Versos soul directly through the little boy. There is an audiolog in the estate that alludes to it.>>720263758Not every argument is talking about the ending. Despite your binary ass thinking that anyone talking shit about Verso somehow also must believe that the Maelle ending is superior, that is not the case. Or is your argument that Verso can do as he likes without pushback because the world is ending anyway? In that case you're even bigger retard
>>720263828
I know Clair Obscur had a great story but I got bored with it.
>>720264147Don't try to act all rational now. You have some personal reason for wanting Verso to suffer forever, what is it?
>>720264354I enjoyed it through the end. Though I don't agree with Verso being the party's face in act 2 forwards. My main gripe was how fast the balance fucks off in act 3. I know there were some patches later.>>720264468>nowAre you thinking I'm some other anon? Or are you projecting these "personal reasons" unto me?
>>720263709My headcanon is that painted Verso has to stay alive because part of real Verso's soul is bound to him as well and the painting is destroyed if he dies.
>>720264774>My main gripe was how fast the balance fucks off in act 3that's to reflect the struggle of staying in the painting when it's time to go. things are either overwhelming or trivial and boring. It's foreshadowing, because you can end the game at any time by just going to Lumiere, but you're not ready to go yet.
>>720265325Or maybe they just couldn't think of any way to make certain sidequests like dealing with p. Alicia and p. Clea parts of the main quest.
>>720254803why the fuck is there still not a single maelle animation except (1) garbage bla**ed shit. I'm pissed at you /v/
>>720240282MAELLE SEXOOOOOOOO
>>720240282Did E33 not expect this level of success? I'm not seeing a lot of engagement from the devs with the community.
>>720268212they're almost definitely surprised. plus I don't think they have a big PR department, also frogs hate speaking English so
>>720263639Gustave would've lived if he weren't willing to sacrifice the entire mission (he had the vitally important lumina converter on him) to distract Renoir for a few more seconds while Maelle was in a cage that neither he nor she could get her out of
>>720264258Verso never wanted to paint and his biggest source of sadness is that he no longer gets to play with his sister. Of course it's particularly painful to see that sister destroying the place they had fun. Doesn't change the FACT that when asked if he wants to stop, he stops.
>>720259307>ObviouslyHe has a fragment of the real Verso and she is Alicia, the actual, godlike Alicia. Maelle is fucking dead in Act 3. Verso only wins because Alicia is canonically total shit at being a painter.
>>720268347I wonder what the extent is of free will for the painted people, if any. Like how Gustave looks suspiciously like Verso and acts a lot like him, and the other people around Maelle sort of fall into the roles she needs that also echo with her family members. I don't think she's doing it on purpose, at least not at first, but I suspect that painters alter the painting around them to suit their desires in some way.
>>720261998Lol Bananza isn't in either of those games' league. Get that propped up tendie shit out of there.
>>720240491>>720259307If they adapt it it should be a mini series, the penultimate episode should end with Verso and Maelle drawing weapons in front of babby versro, the final two episodes should be titled "Choose Only One -Maelle" and "Choose Only One - Verso", and starting one episode should immediately remove access the other choice. Viewers can be given the same kino as players.
>>720240491fuck both of them.
>>720268457>I wonder what the extent is of free will for the painted people, if any.Nothing suggests their capacity is less than non-painted humans.>Gustave looks suspiciously like VersoHe simply does not.
>>720268457They have no free will. Maelle's ending clearly shows that.
>>720268576
>>720240282strange comparisonsilksong is indie slop, expedition 33 is european arthouse made vidya
For me, it's Alicia.
>>720268212They definitely had a lot more backing counting on the game to be successful than le small indie team narrative that's been pushed.
>>720268601I'm not saying they're identical but they obviously look similar. Also Lune is like a sister, Sciel is like a mother, etc in regards to Maelle. She is a paintress whether she knows it or not, and literally everything in that world exists exactly how and when painters want it. There are plenty of things to suggest they don't have free will, most obviously how Alicia forces painted Verso to play the piano against his will, using the one thing he himself genuinely loves to cause him pain.
everything bad in E33 can be traced back to Verso letting Gustave die.
>>720268781Gustave and Verso do not look at all similar. But I do agree with you that there are strong parallels to their actions - Verso helped build the Dome, Gustave maintains it, Verso and Gustave both sacrificed themselves to save Alicia/Maelle from a mess she got herself in, both of them rather grimly settled into a life of violence and fighting when they wanted to pursue intellectual pursuits. Sciel and Lune are not like anyone in Alicia's family and she wasn't drawn to them. We don't see much of Emma, Gustave's sister, but she seems kind of like Clea in that she's taking a lot on to try to keep everything going.>and literally everything in that world exists exactly how and when painters want it.I never bought this, either. I just don't think Verso masterminded every rock formation or river bend in the canvas when he painted it, I believe the painter's magic fills in gaps and makes things believable. There's nothing suggesting that the Lumierens Aline created weren't free to do and think as they please after the creation.>There are plenty of things to suggest they don't have free will, most obviously how Alicia forces painted Verso to play the piano against his willThis only shows that a painter CAN take away a painter person's free will, not that painted people cannot have free will. By your own logic, she's forcing him to do it, meaning he'd do something else without her intervention.
>>720268746Now everyone's wanting more and I haven't seen anything significant coming from them in months. Not even an announcement of an announcement.
>>720268739>a paintress denied her oniichan
>>720268871Alicia causing Verso to die, actually.
>>720269037Good, I hope they don't rush anything. I don't care if their next game takes 8 years like Silk Song did, I just want them to make another good game.>>720269064Where do you find the room with the doghouse and the noco/monoco bowls in the real manor? I couldn't find it.
>>720256291They said the opposite, it's the better ending. Also nothing is falling apart in a few years.
>>720240282they need multiplayersims + gtao + renfair
>>720269209>They said the opposite,May I see it?
>>720269037Let them enjoy their French cocaine and French hookerss before their chink and jew backers start forcing them to churn out a game every year.
>>720269402Are the French into cocaine?
>>720268414He's not asking him if he wants to stop painting. He tells him "It's time to stop painting" and reaches out his hand. The plan is to destroy it, it's just Verso being a manipulative liar again.
>>720269494If I want to keep painting and someone tells me it's time to stop painting, I simply keep painting.
>>720240491She was in the wrong but her perspective is valid, without the fire she was just shy and introverted but as a cute rich girl she would've been totally fine. After the fire everything was fucked but still, Verso's ending lets both of them win because as he even tells her she can paint so she can (and undoubtedly will) make her own canvases only maybe she can do it more responsibly. Forcing a sliver of Verso's soul to continue painting forever is cruel and disrespects his memory.
>>720269559He just wanted to hold Versos hand for a while, not be murdered.
>>720269651Proof?
>>720269016>I never bought this, either. I just don't think Verso masterminded every rock formation or river bend in the canvas when he painted it, I believe the painter's magic fills in gaps and makes things believableThat makes sense, however they could still alter it in any way they desire at any time, or even make it so that none of those things ever existed in the first place. Or, they could paint a world with a rich detailed history even though it just popped into existence very recently.>By your own logic, she's forcing him to do it, meaning he'd do something else without her intervention.fair enough, but when you and everything you know can be made into anything at any time at the will of a power beyond your comprehension, it doesn't seem very free at all. If you piss off the painter you'll either be erased or altered into something they like better, and you'll never even know it happened.>>720269209>Also nothing is falling apart in a few years.it will before long. At most a couple generations left, assuming Renoir doesn't come back to get her before that. She is the weakest painter in the family and her mother, the strongest, was already going insane and losing herself after "only" about 70 years.
>having to use another game's title to bump your shitty threadsNever a good sign.
>>720269586Why would the fragment that has been in the canvas since it was created be sad about painting? It's clearly just an allegory of the painter putting part of his soul into his work, and it would be the part that enjoys painting. It's sad because Renoir and Clea is destroying its work, not sad because it gets to paint.
>>720269717Aline was mad with grief from the beginning, and being attacked by her crazy husband, he was also murdering hundreds of thousands of people while she was trying to keep them alive, that'd make anyone go crazy.
>>720269143They are near the fireplace in the Epilogue flashback.
>>720269812>It's sad because Renoir and Clea is destroying its workTry to be less biased. His mother came into his fun little world and painted new shit all over it while going nuts, even painted a copy of him and tried to act like it was her son, then his dad came in there to help her and made shit even worse, and all kinds of stuff. Pretty much every character in the game is tragic, with both good and bad to them.
>>720240282That is correct, yes.
>>720269953You're really cherrypicking and misconstruing things to fit the decision you've already made here. Everyone suffers mentally and physically if they spend too long in a painting, or don't take long enough breaks between painting. Aline once saved Renoir from it when he almost lost himself in one, and now he's trying to do the same for her. There's other stuff going on as well but don't just ignore the inconvenient parts for your feelings. That's what got everyone into the whole mess to start with.
>>720269402The next game will be Clea's story. What sort of paintings does Clea draw? That's going to be the style of the next game.
>>720240282>Now that the dust has settIed, I've come to realize that Silksong was just merely a fun little distraction while Clair Obscur is high art, the likes of which we won't see again for many years.Good morning SAR.
>>720269812>Why would the fragment that has been in the canvas since it was created be sad about painting?Verso never wanted to be a painter. He made this canvas (and soul fragment) before he was old enough to tell his parents that. He was sad long before the canvas started to be destroyed, because his family all outgrew the canvas and no longer played with him.>>720269953>Aline was mad with grief from the beginning,So is Alicia, she feels even worse about Verso's death because she was responsible for it, and not much time has passed outside the canvas. She hasn't healed.
>>720270141>What sort of paintings does Clea draw?spoopy ass monsters and grumpy turtles?
>>720270020Cool, thanks. Never saw them.
It's kinda nuts that none of the people in the painting even existed until after real Verso died, and that seems like it was pretty recent. Before that, it was just happy gestrals and fun stuff all over the place
