>>720252713
Hey fuck you dude, I'm a bard

>>720252713
>Funky Town.wav

where do we go next? ad mortem?

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>>720252713
I like bards on the enemy team because they are one enemy fewer.
I teamkill bards on my team because they are wasting a player slot that could be used by someone that actually contributes to the game.

>>720253029
>I teamkill bards on my team because they are wasting a player slot
imagine being this sweaty in a game where half of the fun is the hijinks
meet me at Camp, motherfucker

mordhau saddens me
it's like if the most fun amusement park in history was suddenly hit with a meteor a couple of months after opening, and then the only people left afterwards were a couple of guys trying to see who can pull off a cucumber wessex waterfall accel drag under over head morph feint quick kick into a guy that isn't even looking at them

>>720252713
bards are based and honorable pillars of the community, way better than tf2 friendlies

>>720253294
The discord jannies were responsible for the cratering playerbase, giving those greasy fucks actual in-game power was a sign of the end.

>>720252713
stouty thread

>>720253294
>the only people left afterwards were a couple of guys trying to see who can pull off a cucumber wessex waterfall accel drag under over head morph feint quick kick into a guy that isn't even looking at them
people say this but 9/10 players i meet are scrubs who fall for a simple morph...

the combat developer was on alot of drugs so fucked up the combat.
redditors only think its bad because they hate all pvp games, and muh 'skill ceiling', they are retarded faggots.

i would take mordhaus combat, or even chiv 2s in the context of a more interesting game.

renown is aiming to do that, but it's so fucking scuffed

>>720254192
this was always going to happen, the skill gap between a newbie and a seasoned player is too large, to the point that the latter can feel invincible
the secondary problem is that high level mordhau is not fun in the slightest and revolves around seeing who can break the game the hardest

>>720258532
maybe ur just a pussy who isnt suited for pvp games, did you consider that?

man... think about this for a second. mordhau, a game who's combat is (relatively) finely balanced for 1v1 combat
now, in invasion. as a skilled player, cleaving through dozens of opponents, usually several at a time, with said 1v1 mechanics.
being one of the best players during release of mordhau was probably peak videogaming. really, really hard to beat

>>720258532
>this was always going to happen, the skill gap between a newbie and a seasoned player is too large, to the point that the latter can feel invincible
can someone please explain why noobs can't mouse wheel up, mouse wheel down with a random interval in between? this shuts down 90% of people you'll meet in-game
throw in some q key and it's over
>durr how does i attack
the game has literally 3 inputs

>>720259320
you aren't shutting down anyone as long as some retard is feeding me ripostes

>>720259461
have you played any pvp game or even a sport ever? or just a reddit retard who thinks mordhau is the only pvp ever.
>durrr game unfair cos better player wins hurrdurr im rretard durrr

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The stuff about "muh skill gap" is overblown nonsense spread by people who just watch clips instead of actually playing, half the game revolves around gangbanging guys with your buddies in huge chaotic brawls where its more about positioning and strategy than anything. The real issue is fuckall maps and terrible mod support, just too repetitive.

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>>720252713
>lutebot playing around having fun
>chat: "this bard fucking sucks man"
actually hurt my feelings ngl

>>720258927
1vX was insanely easy at launch because of how busted Bloodlust was. Full heal every kill was absolutely bonkers. Obviously there's a baseline level of understanding required to get the kills in the first place but basically anyone who played Chiv was unkillable until the perk got nerfed if they wanted to be. Just grab any kind of cleaving weapon with reach and target swap your ripostes and there was almost nothing anyone could do about it because enemies that weren't paying attention just became health packs. Insane kill streaks were pretty much free. Getting the kinds of crazy killstreak numbers now that people were getting at launch is a lot more difficult, not primarily because of a skill difference, but because the perk that allowed that kind of shenanigans isn't around any more.

>>720261173
of course-- and i was a longtime chiv player, and an alpha mordhau player; i know this wasn't fair, or cool for everyone. but given the skill ceiling, the way the game was balanced (mechanics, besides the perks), there are rarely ever going to be opportunities for this sort of gameplay, and exposure to difference in skill. it's basically extinct. and im sorry for whoever wasnt able to play dynasty warrior in a balanced melee duel game

>>720252845
>ad mortem?
i was hesitant about ad mortem but actually had a lot of fun trying out 5v5 skirms on mordhau recently. i got my shit kicked in even as a 1500 hour player, but i get why that game is is going the 5v5 route now. definitely gonna give it a shot when it releases

>>720261527
5v5 is dead on arrival, 1 good player and its over. they will add MMR to try and cope but nobody will give two shits to play besides compfags.

>>720259461
>you aren't shutting down anyone as long as some retard is feeding me ripostes
Kek

>>720261173
yeah because simply losing everytime you have to fight more than 1 person at a time is SUPER FUN!

>>720259986
I will literally never understand why normalfags do this. This place is anonymous, you're not even getting social approval from it. Or does simulated, anonymous social approval work just as well?

if just being good at deathmatching auto-wins your game, then it wasnt designed around objectives and is dogshit.

>>720260042
it's because you retards just download the same songs and don't tweak them at all, they all sound exactly the same with no depth, it's just a mash of unintelligible notes against a backdrop of chaos

zero effort

>>720261867
5v5 on mordhau is the most fun i have on it, but it is with compfags

>>720261972
I mean you can still 1vX just fine in big team game modes (1vX was never a thing in any kind of competitive team play). Ripostes are the backbone of antiganking in Mordhau and they've been unchanged since launch. Pre-nerf Bloodlust was just training wheels strapped to an atomic bomb.

>>720261173
second wind+fury+bloodlust+zweihander is still broken, and i like to run mule+3/3/3 and a short sword and just pick up one of the various weapons scattered across the map... there is no reason to use any other build if you are going for max output regardless of skill level, plus it teaches you how to use each weapon

the real reason this game sucks now is that it was taken over by zoomers. At launch, it was mostly ex-Chiv 30-year-old boomer sweatlords. Now it's broccoli heads who have the absolute most dogshit opinions imaginable on pvp games

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>>720252713
This game's devs were the most retarded niggermonkeys ever. Fuck them for letting the game die. FUCK THEM!
any fellas from /mhaug/ from back in the day?

>>720262260
i mean its a melee game, how else are you gonna heal? you cant exactly sit around waiting on regen like a fps game, if someone engages you then u must fight. u cant sit behind cover like a nonce waiting for full hp.

>>720261867
iirc they're doing MMR on launch. fuck i'm just happy to have a new sword game for once. it'll be interesting to see how it goes since fags like stouty think a csgo sword game will sell millions

>>720262487
walk instead of running between engagements

>>720262487
There's a bunch of ways. Bloodlust still exists, it's just not an instaheal to full HP. Med kits exist, as do bandages (which I think are the most underrated item in the game due to how fast they heal). And in the same patch that nerfed Bloodlust, the faster-HP-regen perk (I think it used to be called Tenacity?) became base kit. Getting to full HP isn't really a problem in Mordhau. Bloodlust was just unique in that it kept you at full HP forever so long as you still had warm bodies to pop.

>>720262539
yeah compfags are delusional, counterstrike is popular because of sunk cost retards who blow their disposable income on skins. not because it has super neat gameplay or anything.

>>720259816
did you reply to the wrong dude? it was bants homie

mordhau classic is trying to put down another good player while your retard teammate feeds him ripostes (so he can hit back fast and unflinched)

>>720262674
cant have regen too high because then if u fight 3 retards, then the hit you did on enemy A is already healed by the time you got done killing B and C.

>>720262769
>not because it has super neat gameplay or anything.
it's not "super neat", it's just not dogshit like literally everything that came after it
there is no reason to iterate on it. when it dies it'll only be because the older generations stopped playing it and the kids don't know any better, like all good things

>>720261996
this is my genuine opinion. I just hide behind teammates and do cheeky pokes and have plenty of fun like that

>>720263245
>this is my genuine opinion. I just hide behind teammates and do cheeky pokes and have plenty of fun like that
You are correct--I was referring to people who watch videos and then take to social media to pretend that they know what they're talking about

>>720263352
nta but i only loiter on /v/ for a few days every few months... and it's uniquely insane in this regard. an unhinged epidemic.
even have a friend who frequents v and he's literally that guy

another game ruined by queer sweats. you don't see s1mple in pubs, they play in their little own scrim and pro leagues. sweats who don't play popular games cause they're not good enough to hang there really need to kill themselves.

>>720263643
put s1mple against 5 normies, 1v5, problem solved.

>>720263643
where do you go to hide when society chews you up and spits you out? your little faggot matchmaking videogame? i bet you cry about duo and group queues and whatever else you can stack on to make an excuse.

how about you either get good, or i fucking crush you. (if gaming was run by MEN)

zoomers, man

great work jobless fat virgins, you killed your own game

matchmaking only existed for like the last 10 years, zoomie

i grew up playing STREET BALL. game got too hard at the court i played what was i going to do? move? there's no matchmaking irl nigger. dont try and call me the nerd

>>720252713
>"friendlies"
>bards
>random shrek looking shitters running around emoting
>midgets
kill by decapitation with waraxe and teabag

>>720259986
well, anon, the problem comes from the fact that unless you and your buddies know how to play, you will absolutely get dumpstered by high skill players. while gangbanging is absolutely the best way to kill someone, this will only happen if people around you don't feed the guy ripostes and free double parry windows.

>>720252713
>Bought game
>Queue for multiplayer
>Spent a half hour waiting for a lobby
>Quit out
>Uninstall
Waste of money

>>720264681
use the server browser you fucking dingus. yeah, game is dead as fuck but you can still actually find people that play it. there should still be a couple of servers.

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>>720259986
>guy on enemy team is destroying our whole team
>practically a fucking raid boss because of skill differences
>but he's only one man
>half the team works on the points while the other half zerg rush into the one man meat grinder
>eventually win after he's farmed over 100 kills
>he starts seething in chat

>surrounded by fiddy men
>parry one of them
>do a 180° and chop off the heads of several others with the riposte
>repeat
Do you swing the sword, knowing that your actions may lead to the deaths of several of your allies in this medieval trolley problem?

>>720265342
teamkilling is great, wish more games had it

>>720265398
i can deal with getting teamkilled. however, i go ballistic becuase team collision. getting my swings bodyblocked by facerushing zerg retards is the worst.

>>720265342
always, fuck teammates

I'm mad that this game died a year or two after it launched
>t: backer

>>720259986
Try playing the game next time, peasant

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>>720264681
>>Queue for multiplayer
-1 IQ

>>720265580
you self important linux niggers (yea, i see you) could never articulate why you are like this.

>>720263643
>uuuuuhhh something something game sucks because it doesn't have autoaim also did I mention some streamer...

>>720265342
>Do you swing the sword, knowing that your actions may lead to the deaths of several of your allies in this medieval trolley problem?
100% since team damage is reduced and if you earn a kill in the process they tend to be very understanding

>>720266446
What the fuck are you even talking about you dumb fuck?

Okay I want to hear opinions on this. I had played a while right at release and probably put 600hrs on this game. Got a bit tired with it but there were two things I thought could have really improved it.
1. I really enjoyed the "team swing through" test. Instead of your hits sticking on teamies they would swing through like on an enemy. I felt it really shut down some of the tryhard pubstompers who could block one attack and then smash three heads in with one strike while all the tards swarming him were just sticking on eachother. The downside was way increased team damage but I felt like after a while I saw the battle line spread out to reduce team damage but the guys who were pubstomping were also in the devs ears and got them to reverse it.
2. More strict damage reduction on accels and drags. The dud range was too forgiving which led to cancer floating maul 1 taps and lighting fast arming sword accels. Don't even have to make the dud window much bigger just make the damage reduction more harsh for non optimal green zone hits.

>>720266764
the most vindictive gamers on earth (people "hoping" a game would fail) are almost always linux users, with ultrawide screens. insane generalization, i know... it was a swing and a miss i suppose. or youre trying to pull fast one.

...you arent on linux?

>>720266824
i think they tried all sorts of things on the modded "comp" servers. in the end though, none of that shit mattered. they all acted like it mattered, but it was really just the stagnant development and bleak future that killed the game. shit was otherwise fine**

>>720266764
>>720267048
and would you look at that. the faggot literally could not explain why he wanted a game he backed to fail.

>>720252713
>nerf noble knights due lowly peasant cries
>game dies
Fitting end for the unfaithful devs.

>>720267162
Slow ass dev time really was the ultimate killer. Maps, armor, weapons, game modes. It all probably would have helped early on they took way too long with it

>>720267162
>>720267847
idk why you guys are looking for a reason when it was as simple as they got paid and had no incentive to develop further. They could've done seasons and paid skins and kept it alive but they chose not to because they are retarded Europeans. A Chinese business manager would've solved this

>>720266824
1. Don't have too much of an opinion on this one. Whenever there was a clusterfuck like that, I focused on parrying the enemies trying to sweep a group with a target-switching riposte. That was usually all it took to break his flow and then get ganged up on. Maybe there could be a balance, your swing would pass through one teammate, but stop if you hit a second, or if you do pass through an ally, the damage to enemies and allies after is reduced, making it somewhat of a viable gambit for several dudes to swarm and attack one guy simultaneously.

2. Rather than fuck with damage relative to how early/late in the swing it is, I wish the camera would almost completely lock down during the swing. You should have to commit to it the swing arc with very little turning*, only feint/morphing would let you reorient. If you wanted to drag your swing, integrate it into your footwork.

*Tangentially, I hate how the turn rate changes at all, my camera slowing down so much is frustrating. I would rather keep the camera at a fixed full speed while your sword arc stayed where you started. That could let you "look around" during an attack and make you commit to the swing (the arc could be dragged slightly by the attack chasing after your camera's position as opposed to you trying to force your camera to turn as much as possible).

>>720267997
i mean that was pretty much our conclusion as well. dude just wanted to fuck off and do coke

>>720267162
compfags are horrendously bad at balancing

the genre died because one dev fag wanted to keep abusing dragging btw

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>>720268758
This but unironically
>game is plagued with faggots picking the biggest, slowest one shot weapons to feint spam with
>their one singular counter, held block on shield
>getting kicked while your shield is up is a literal death sentence (foreshadowing)
>ruins your turncap
>slows you down
>but it fucks up 1 singular exceedingly homosexual playstyle


>crush, the "lead balance dev" mains battle axe
>"hmm held block is too strong, theres no counter to it, time to nerf it"
>battle axe now does 5x damage to shields
>"shields are still too strong"
>shields can no longer hold up a block
>community complains
>"sorry theres no counter to shields, we'd have to add a dedicated button just to punish held shields"
>(you know, like the kick button that has existed since the game's launch)
>months later you can hold shields again but the delay on it is so long it's useless against drags and makes you even more vulnerable to getting kicked in the nuts

>>720269057
trvke

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>>720269057
furthermore, also confirming >>720268101 because he's a fucking compfag and what a shocker literally nobody plays ranked mordhau because the 32v32 shitfest servers are just eternally more fun
hell ranked was fucking DEAD because people would literally rather go into custom FFA maps and do the crouch/head nod gentlemans 1v1 me fgt dueling servers than actually queue into ranked

>>720261527
You can also play in 10v10 mode which I bet most will stick to

game died because of bloodlust perk

>>720252713
Bard are based and its a shame chiv2 does not have one
https://youtu.be/PtkoxVee-30?feature=shared

>>720266824
Disagree on both counts. The teammate-cleave patch was grab-a-zwiehander-and-go-nuts city until the change got reverted. Team-killing aside, the fact that longer weapons basically became stealth killers because you could just swing them at enemies through your own team-mates was nuts. It was confusing and difficult to try to defend yourself when the whole blob of opponents were swinging through each-other like some kind of unholy ball of weaponry. On the flip side, you got a lot of random ripostes out of nowhere from attacks that you couldn't see coming. Everything about big team combat just became way less understandable. It's not that big fights were necessarily easier or harder, it's just that they were indecipherably chaotic.

Not only did the change add more team-damage by virtue of cleaving through a crowd of buddies rather than bouncing off the first one, but it actually encouraged you to use your team-mates as a smokescreen. In theory the tradeoff was that you'd be more annoyed by the constant team-killing but less annoyed by team-mates bodyblocking your attacks, but I can account for body blocks. I can't account for team-mates who are actively swiping through me (and I can't even blame them, the mechanics encouraged it).

Regarding damage falloff from swing manipulation, I mean, tweaking is fine, and we got a fair amount of tightening up after launch, but I think the core combat's about where you'd want it unless you want to re-do the whole game. Swing manipulation isn't a trade-off between accuracy and damage, nor is it some flashy advanced maneuver. It's the core mechanism you use to get past the bad guy's defenses. Changing your weapon's trajectory by dragging your mouse around is something you're expected to do every attack; you *want* players to do it. If you get too aggressive with tightening up those windows the game becomes a turtlefest as players no longer have options to get past their opponents' defenses.

>>720268087
I don't agree with that, I mean they failed to come up with a sustainable model for no apparent reason moving forward. Maybe there was one but it wasn't revealed to the public. But they could've done something to keep things going. Shit even Rust got revived somehow which is wild. Are they even selling anything?

>>720269057
>their one singular counter,
just... learn to play? parry works for drags
held block is just the skill-less counter

>>720265515
>however, i go ballistic becuase team collision. getting my swings bodyblocked by facerushing zerg retards is the worst
So change target to someone who isn't being zerged...? You're complaining that you as a zerg are being interrupted by other zerg lmao

>>720269261
lol yeah that is typical compfag delusion, he thinks you have to make an entirely separate game in order for the "pros" to enjoy it. compfags smelling their own farts.

>>720270184
>parry works for drags
*speeds up*
*slows down more actually*
*feints anyway*

>>720270298
feints are the problem there, they are for M&B warband spergs and have no place in a game that has actual animations and depth.

>>720270298
what are you even talking about? it's either a drag, an accel, or a feint, and it's up to you to
1) wait long enough to know if it's a feint or not
2) determine if it is a drag or an accel within the remaining window
3) finally, react fast enough to parry it

it's that simple
if you can't do that, it's on you
these are literally the base mechanics of the game taught to you in the tutorial fight against the bot.

how's chiv2 in regards to accels and drags btw?

>>720270392
And that's why held blocks worked as a hard counter for these specific types of faggots. No matter how much they tried to fuck with their animations and feint they cannot do shit against a shield being up. Literally every other playstyle was unaffected by held block (aside from archers but fuck bowcucks) and even feintspammers that knew more than their one singular trick could also DEDICATED BOOT TO THE NUTS BUTTON to get a free instakill on shields.

>>720270464
or you could stop being an asslicker, i bet you also play in third person and sniff feet with overheads too

>>720270468
chiv2 is melee for console retards, which means it has held blocking

Why this genre so cursed?

>>720270517
the minecraft 1.9 update ruined the combat forever, you wanna guess what it added?

>>720270685
Your hyperbole wont work on me because minecraft was already ruined by 1.7

>>720270262
or just kill ur teammate like a boss

Game was ruined by people abusing macros to do perfect timing morphs and feints and also crazy swing manipulation exploits.

>>720271003
ill use a macro to call u a nigger, how bout that?

>>720271042
Touched a nerve did I? Mordhaufags always sperge out when I mention macro abuse.

>>720253029
When I play bard I play my songs until I mean the enemy and then turn the instrument around to beat the enemy to death with it

>>720265159
LMAO those were the good times...
>>practically a fucking raid boss because of skill differences
at my peak i would often play the role of the one man army, but i was a bit smarter and instead of just rushing to kill everyone on my path, i would try to help my teammates and gather a big group for the push, kinda felt like i was playing a campaign mode and was completing scripted events

>>720271210
stick to console games then, console nigger

>>720265342
people were really blood thirsty sometimes and were so desperate to get the kill that they even think about fighting, they just swin and hope it lands

>>720270517
>or you could stop being an asslicker
I don't even know what you're trying to say. You want to change the base mechanics, which would ruin the game completely, because you suck at it? Literally just learn to play? This is like playing a music game and complaining that you have to time the notes right?

>>720271210
>Mordhaufags always sperge out when I mention macro abuse.
explain these macros, my logitech mouse has about 9 extra side buttons I think I could use for this

>>720271686
>You want to change the base mechanics
No. I want Crush to stop jerking his babydick over his singular playstyle and nerfing the one hard counter to it because he forgot about a mechanic that's existed since the start of the game despite being a dev.

>>720269057
Shields were fine and always were fine, the changes they made were atrocious. Hopefully the new slasher games that come out keep them the way they were. Held blocks work for shields but not swords.

>>720271998
chamber exists
accels exist
kicks exist
projectiles exist
hard block doesn't need to be in the game at all and wasn't at launch

>>720272204
>kicks exist
tell that to crush

>>720272228
you can also just parry like the tutorial teaches you, they even have an entire chapter dedicated to parrying drags. explicitly for this reason, because it is a core part of the most basic combat

>>720252713
Isn't your game already dead along with chivalry 2, little nigger?

>>720272376
A core mechanic of the game is stunning shields for several seconds by kicking them. Tell that to the "balance dev"

>>720259816
PvP is for incels. No one in 2025 wants to deal with that shit. That’s why Mordhaus is a dead game. They need to add PvE, raids, and progression.

>>720272479
so what the fuck is the point of using the shield if u get insta-stunned everytime u try to use it? didnt think about that did u nigga

>>720272565
yeah u cry like a bitch when u get griefed in pvp games, everyone else got over it when we were <12. ur just a pussy and bitch-made.

>>720272580
And now you see why nerfing them multiple times is the most retarded thing they've done second only to spending years adding nothing of value to the game to focus on their "comp scene", all because the dev forgot the hard counter to his hard counter

>>720272580
pavis shield and buckler give you better parry timings and stamina drain making one handed weapons more viable. to get around someone holding the shield you HAVE to kick or spend a minute repeatedly hitting.

whether the feint spam attacks can be countered or not doesn't matter when it makes the game BORING to play

>>720272749
>spend a minute repeatedly hitting
wow nice gameplay, super fun

>>720272828
the counterplay is to kick and move around their block. the point is pavis shield isnt useless at all, it completely counterplays drags and will win on stamina alot

>>720272580
they're a vestigal leftover from back when the game was pretending to not be just chivalry

I repeat, shields were not part of the game at launch and the way they are now is good. They are for slowing down enemy advances. Just like in real life. They work fine. They do hard counter drags and being kicked is a hard counter to them. Learn 2 play

My only way to get kills is overhead multi feints with a maul, please get rid of shields again i'm tired of the enemy not having to gamble on his parry on this unreadable spam.

>>720273315
maul wins on stamina most of the time

>>720252713
I think I got this for free on epic, is it worth playing? I don't want to just get spanked though think that's why I never downloaded it

>>720273469
it might still be fun to fuck around in depending on your matchmaking luck but you've certainly missed out on the honeymoon period that was leading up to and immediately after release

>>720270576
I play chiv 2 for pwning lvl 1000 console retards lol
Mordhcuck has consoles too but the population is too low and they aren't that tijted/sweaty enough to their chiv 2 counterpart

>>720273469
Its fun but skill cealing is very high
Play chivalry 2 instead, its very cheap these days and fun for both casual and sweaties

>>720274143
>chivalry 2
Think Epic also gave this away

>>720258595
Youre

>>720274985
niggure

>>720267048
>>720267383
so where exactly did he say he wanted the game to fail? if you cant provide proof, slit your wrist

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>>720273469
Mordhau is, at its heart, a party game. The main game mode is a 48-person lobby. As much as people go back and forth about how to counter a playstyle or use a particular item (and there's a lot of depth there), the actual experience of playing the game is pretty much a gigantic clusterfuck. There will be people in the lobby who will absolutely dog walk you over and over. There will be people in the lobby who have dressed up like midgets and are running around with frying pans. Most players are somewhere in the middle. While understanding the game's core mechanics is a huge part of being a good player, it takes a back seat in the big game modes compared to situational awareness and positioning. Keeping track of your teammates, the other team, and the objective are far and away the most important skills to learn, and those are things that come naturally with play. You don't need to be a highly technical player to enjoy the game, and half the people in your lobby will be fucking around anywhere. It's the nature of these big game modes.

>>720266824

Bump

Since I'm pretty sure Stouty made this thread, I want him to know he's a retarded fag who hasn't had a good take in his life.

>>720267997
Bump

>>720269835
Bump

>>720253294
this is the saddest and realist shit ever. god I miss mordhau, the internet at that time was still closer to the early and mid 2000s than it is now. it wasn't even that long ago either kek. can't believe games and playerbases are even gayer than since then.

>>720271003
Bump

>>720278105
Bump

>>720278094
Bump

>>720270635
The "skill ceiling" is about abusing animations so that your attacks either become
>Unreactably fast
>So wonky and off-putting that you mis-time your parry because the weapon is going at half speed
and the players who put in the hours to learn the exploits don't want to admit this shit kills any game that has it.

>>720272565
>PvP is for incels. No one in 2025 wants to deal with that shit.
why are the most successful multiplayer games in 2025 almost all pvp games then, hello? do you not realize that we've suffered over an entire decade of battle royale, extraction slop and pvp hero shooter games? put the pipe down.

I'll be in paradise with my infinite harem

>>720259320
>can someone please explain why noobs can't
because they're fucking noobs lmao what kind of retarded ass question is this

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>>720264169
BSword was just too rational a choice and that's why I disliked it. I need something that is extreme, dynamic, interesting, or unfathomably stupid in order to have a good time using it.

I fucking love chiv2 but it's shame they abandoned it and this might be the final chiv game knowing their financial condition
Are there any more medieval slasher in development?

>>720278421
bastard sword is good, but I prefer the falchion for doing slightly more damage on slashes, costing less, and being throwable

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frankly, i've had my fun with the game, but i want to know how the hell did people do to go through some guy's defense, because in my limited experience blocking/chambering was very very easy, and most engagements stalled out until you got some friend to stab the other guy in the back.

i've never experienced these funky reverse accell ravioli stabs people are always crying about

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>>720278546
You know what is a sidegrade I actually really, really like the dynamics of? The Maul versus the Sledgehammer. The Maul has oneshots of course and it has a very nasty stamina game, but there's something extremely special about how directly you attack someone's stamina bar with the Sledgehammer. It bulldozes through an insane amount of stamina on a block, it's hilarious. I love it.

>>720278421
Might I introduce you to my good friend Ser Bill Hook?

>>720278000
How come he paid a modder to save Mordhau with the "Official Combat of Mordhau" (OCOM)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrNVDYW7KVc

>>720272376
>they even have an entire chapter dedicated to parrying drags, because it is a core part of the most basic combat
Why then did they not then:

a) get the player to parry a riposte drag (you know, the actual scary version of a drag)
b) get the player to perform a drag themselves?

Oh wait, it's because they desperately wanted to hide their inclusion from the playerbase. Indeed, the drag itself is an exploit, carried over from chivalry 1 (Mordhau merely copied an existing system, including its exploits, as proven in Stouty's expose, "Melee's Dirty Secret")

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PqlYV1veEY

>>720278503
Fiefdom is trying to be Chiv 2 + Mordhau hybrid with a bit of Mirage

>>720253294
>>720278094
Stop being such a massive pussy and actually just play the game.
>>720255036 This.
Mordhau is no where near as bad as late stage Chiv was.

>>720261173
>1vX was insanely easy at launch because of how busted Bloodlust was.
Crazy how Stouty warned everyone about this prior to launch, and all Crush could say was:

"lmmao
good luck
there is literally
nothing wrong with this
its a risky interesting playstyle"

>>720279657
really begging for views on /v/?

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>>720262539
Ad mortem is gunna be a cart push with magical abilities, dragging and health regen, DO NOT burden its success with Stouty's intricate analysis of the genre

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>>720279198
I've been long acquainted with Sir William Hook, and that's exactly the kind of interesting weapon design I prefer over basic Bastard Sword versatility. I'm a big sucker for customization, but unfortunately for a lot of people it just means that the classes they choose are found on a youtube video talking about optimal weapon and armor setups and in the loadouts of the sweaty enemy players, not something people discover or create themselves.
>>720279791
Yeah, even the current state of Mordhau isn't as bad as classic Chiv.

>>720279906
Beg for views? Laughable. Stouty's analysis of the slow sword exploit ("dragging") has already garnered over 100 thousand views. An incredible feat for a niche topic in a niche genre. You're lucky I decided to improve your melee literacy by sharing it here.

>>720280014
shut up stouty

>>720279791
>play the game
>get red parried out of a 10 second long drag
>uninstall the game

>>720253294
Because the first couple months were fun as fuck as everyone was learning. Then the sweats took over. Same shit happens with rts.

I’ll forever remember my time as a bard with the guitar thing, hanging out on the wall, kicking everyone who tries to get up at me, then jumping down anytime someone turns their back and smacking them over the head with my instrument.

Games that let you make other people seethe that hard are the best. It’s why dark souls 1 was so fucking good because invasions were not totally gay and regulated.

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I just want more modded horde mode, like the really good ones.
>>720252845
A 5 vs 5 players maximum slasher is NOT fun. I have like 2,000 hours in Mordhau and I only play Invasion/Frontline. If there's no "hop on to be 50/50 casual/tryhard depending on how the lobby is going" large player count team fights, it's 100% dead after a month. This is one of those times where it's blatantly obvious this game despite everything else will genuinely not take off as anything more than a couple thousand players online after a month. It will have a tiny competitive playerbase, and everyone else will fuck around in the horde mode for a few weeks then quit. But if its horde mode is moddable? 10 player modded horde mode could actually be incredibly fun in this game, so that's what I'm excited to find out.

>>720252845
Ad motem is not 64player
If you reduce the number to 5-6 then this will become your average hero slasher/mirage

>>720280246
People will always optimize the fun out of a game out of convenience. It's definitely a community/social problem not exclusive to Mordhau or any genre. The worst is that, as this went down, people who still sought dumb fun went hard in the opposite direction, becoming friendly tf2 hoovies and noncombatant bards. So now you get two factions of sweatlords who do too much and roleplayers who do too little, instead of a guy who realizes people are there to have fun and have interesting encounters just as much as he is. The kind of guy that's fun at parties. The idea that you can set aside the most powerful options to have dumb fun while engaging in the actual game has become an alien concept to a lot of players of every game over the last ten years, I don't know what's caused it.

Maul, Zwei, and Halberd are the only "broken" weapons right now. Stuff like Polehammer or an Estoc stab or something is scary, but they actually are readable. Zwei/Halberd is just not readable if they know how to fake out an accel into a drag or vice versa on top of the risk of them feinting during all this, and these weapons when acceling connect way too quickly. Like there is just no time to react before the fake out drag into accel hits you even with 0 ping. An executioner sword can accel "deceptively" quick, but again it's readable. A Zwei/Halberd is just way too hard to read. And maul just rapes your stamina so by default the maul user will always win if equally skilled.

>>720281506
Maul is not overpowered.
It is slow, short and difficult to use.

>>720280829
>People will always optimize the fun out of a game out of convenience.
tears of a shit player.

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>>720279943
>>720280561
>5v5 with stupid abilities
DOA

>>720282947
I've come to realize that from across the many games I've been good and bad at from Dark Souls invasions to Mordhau to anything else is that it's not me being good that makes my enemy stay around for the next match. Multiplayer games are social games, and to keep people coming back you have to appeal to someone enough to think that you're fun to play with. It's POSSIBLE to Hornet CMW Great Club my way to a thousand dead hosts or waggle a Bastard Sword in a level 20's face to clown on them for thirty minutes straight, but I'd be overfishing the waters and there will be no one left to beat. There's a socially acceptable amount of gud you can be before people who don't have the stuff in them to be tryhards avoid you by either leaving the lobby or outright uninstalling the game, and so many skilled players just don't recognize that. Sweatlords would rather kill the population of the games they love than recognize they're being repulsive.

>>720283392
if you cant handle losing, ur either 10 years old or a pussy.

>>720283443
Unfortunately, many are, they make up the lifeblood of the game, and the only way I can help is by giving them some slack with a frying pan or the Rusted Longsword I found in the ground

>>720283501
theres plenty of games that cater to pussies, go play those.

>>720283443
I don't mind losing in a singleplayer game at all. It's part of the course. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. If there was no risk of losing, it would just be fucking boring.
But I absolutely hate losing in a multiplayer game because it is so humiliating, especially if the enemy rubs it in with T bagging and such shit. I can't stand humiliation.

>>720283679
maybe ur gay or dropped on a head as a baby

>>720283723
People who enjoy humiliation are gay.

>>720283757
u get tbagged cos ur gay

>>720278000
Wasted.
I love you stouty bby!

>>720283529
You're completely ignoring how the point is I am giving noobs a chance by not belligerently pubstomping. Why brag about pulling Magnus Carlsen shit against grade school chess players?
I hope you aren't also the same fag complaining about how dead the game is if you are the one that is killing it. At the end of the day crush did not force you to stomp pubs and drive scrubs away, you choose to do that of your own free will and desire to be gud and it's nobody's fault but your own if they drop the game before even humoring the effort of being on your level. If what you were doing was socially tolerable, they'd keep playing, but the game has 300 players on Steam.

Ultimately I think slashers need a solid singleplayer experience before any multiplayer game can really have solid popular staying power.

>>720283993
if the games dead, thats the developers fault. stop shifting blame cos ur a pussy who cant tolerate pvp and cries like a gay baby.

>>720254192
qrd? I've played mordhau but I've never touched discordshit

>>720284109
You and many like you are completely denying social accountability of being newfag repellant.
No dev forces you to play like you do. That's you. Nobody else. Stop dodging responsibility for killing the game.

>>720284041
its harder to time a parry than it is to heldblock, dumb shit.

>>720284179
>im a gay retard and everybody else should be too
no

>>720284119
Basically every game with a low population has power tripping community moderators. The average person literally cannot handle positions of power that they didn't work hard for.

>>720284416
How did "community moderators" affect the actual game itself though is what I'm asking

>>720284590
they probably groomed someones kid who was playing mordshit

>>720284195
yeah you fucking mong, that's the issue.
nobody wants your "le hardcored" dogshit and it's why the game thankfully died. get fucked.

>>720285165
>buys pvp game
>erm why am i being heckin killed by other players
genius guy here

>>720284825
and how the fuck would that matter for the playerbase, I'm trying to understand the original anon's point here

I miss the days where I could roleplay as a wizard with three fire bombs and a staff and become the most hated player on a server

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>>720252845
It is clear

>>720284195
Parries are insanely easy in Mordhau.

The best fun was always dumb meme loadouts in a massive melee.
Wizard with all slots filled with firepots
Naked man placing bear traps all over
Bard

>>720285325
Nothing worth listing examples of, I'm a different anon and was just saying they're literally all the same regardless of game. If you kill them too easily, they ban you for an hour. If you say something that upsets them that isn't against ToS, they mute you. If you do [anything] they or their friends don't like, you get punished. Sometimes they spawn the gun and kill you.

>>720279657
Usually I am telling shills to buy ads, but seeing as you're a e-grifting parasocialite who advertises his own garbage, I suggest you buy a rope instead.

The biggest hurdle for scrubs in Mordhau is realizing that the crazy meme drags and spins weren't actually all that effective.

>>720280014
Imagine being so unfathomably fake, gay and retarded that you speak about yourself in third person. You are begging to be bullied -- if you advertise your shut on here, atleast have the balls to own it, niggerfaggot.

>>720283443
Don't care. Your game is dead lmao

>>720283993
Did getting stomped as a new player deter you from learning the game and become a sweatlord? No? It's part of any PvP game -- you have to "earn" the powerfantasy. The greatest issue in PvP games is the entitlement of players, I can count the people -- across ALL games I've no-lifed to the point of getting badmin'd, votekicked and mass reportes -- who've asked me for advice on a single hand, whereas the faggots who are incessantly crying and demanding the devs change the game to hold their hand is in the millions.

>>720284179
NTA, you really a LARPing faggot.

>>720252845
Bump

>>720253504
Bump

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>>720287002
no

>>720254192
Bump

>>720276824
I somewhat agree since I tend to top the lists just by being smart about my positioning, even though I'm rarely if ever the best player in the game or even on my team.

>>720286932
Bump

>>720287513
>newfag
Good luck, terminally domesticated turbofaggot-hypernigger-debtcattle#2526263236689474324232244097.

>>720252845
>ad mortem?
I N I M I C U S

>>720286417
This sounds like it would only apply to community run servers, which yes are popular but the vast majority of the casual playerbase played, and still plays insofar as it exists, just official frontline rather than community duel servers or whatever.
Those duel servers I've randomly frequented also tended to be pretty chill if you just duel normally without griefing or whatever, though I haven't tried yelling nigger on most of them.

stouty said nothing wrong, change my mind

>>720288603
Nope they literally did this on "official" servers. They also spawn pigs or change the map which is what irks me the most. Literally if they or their friends want another map, they'll change it mid-session.

>>720289986
Fascinating, maybe I don't play frontline enough then. Ok fair enough that is extremely gay to do on official public servers, it sounds insane that the devs would give random discord admins power for this on their servers.

>>720290120
On Phantasy Star New Genesis, another small community game, it was shit like that except the mod was a blatant schizo tranny that banned HUNDREDS of players and of course Sega doesn't give a fuck about some dead failed game of theirs so it's just some rampant tranny who does whatever they want when they want. This is just what happens in dead games that still have moderators lingering about.

>>720290265
The thing is mordhau wasn't always a "small community game", it was made by a real studio with a real and non-negligible budget, made a tangible amount of sales and money, had a peak of tens of thousands of players, and right now it's absolutely dead but even a couple of years ago it was steadily at 1k+ concurrent players. This is what I find incredible, that an actual professional studio would still just leave a discord admin in charge of their own official servers. Like fuck a paid "community manager" that will represent the interests of your company can be hired for half the price of a dev.

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>>720252845
>pic
nope

>>720285454
based

>>720287002
>Did getting stomped as a new player deter you from learning the game and become a sweatlord?
Not him but when everyone is highly skilled, it's definitely very discouraging and unfun to play. Other games typically have a somewhat even distrubution of the playerbase with a large amount of new or simply retarded players who can provide an adequate challenge to other new players, mordhau is unique in that the skill ceiling is astronomical, sweatlords are completely untouchable by newbies, and there's an extreme lack of new player influx meaning there's a disproportionate amount of oldfag gods that a new player will run into and be completely stonewalled by.

When I started playing, public frontline servers felt like complete ass torture, I was learning absolutely nothing and just dying over and over again. It doesn't help that there's surprisingly few resources explaining exactly how the mechanics work at an advanced level, I was just dying and I couldn't see why.
This is another issue by the way, in an FPS game or something you can usually just see "I guess he was aiming better than me" or "oh this flank spot on the map exists, I didn't know that", so you learned something new about the map or you just know you need to practice aiming or whatever. In mordhau the oldfag will just waggle his sword in your face and you have an aneurysm and die and you have zero clue how he did that.

I only kept playing because I realised duel servers exist, switched to basically exclusively playing those, and actually fucking tryharded at learning the game and figuring out what works and what doesn't and getting experienced duelists to help me and give me tips. After like 20-30 hours of this I could go back into frontline and not immediately die to every player I met. But if I hadn't known that OR if I didn't feel like literally just learning for 30 hours instead of playing the game, I would never have gotten to enjoy mordhau.

>>720292681
i can singlehandedly kill the entire enemy team as scout in tf2, i did it earlier today. ur just dogshit.

>>720293346
nobody cares about troonfortress2 though

>>720292681
>I only kept playing because I realised duel servers exist, switched to basically exclusively playing those, and actually fucking tryharded at learning the game and figuring out what works and what doesn't and getting experienced duelists to help me and give me tips.
You mean to say that you've stopped mindlessly consuming and instead engaged the game and its community?
The reason people struggle at [game]: their hobby isn't gaming, but consumption. So if something prevents them from consooooming, they tilt, piss, shit and cry until they are either forcedvto leave, manage to bully devs into submission or snap out of their turbofaggotry and git gud.

>>720293632
so is helplessly dying to killstreaks over and over in call of duty more fun than having to put up with an actually skilled player?
it isnt, and ur gay. owned.

>>720293346
>muh gamer-cred bro
Estrogen-addled delusions. Fucking kys troon.

>>720290931
I've actually reached out to the studio and I can tell you with certainty that they don't care. They're going to milk the shit for what it's worth and no one there gives even a slight bit of care for what the game is currently, aside from the two or three devs they keep locked in the cuck closet to tweak the game files once every year and pump out paid armor cosmetic DLCs.

No one is going to crack down on the problem when the problem is Timmy the Friend of your Best Friend, and that's why you don't fucking hire "friends" to manage public-facing roles such as community management.

>>720294359
>troon/thirdie projection
stick to aim assisted console games designed for niggers.
leave us white men to play and design the real pvp games.

>>720293346
Yes but again if I'm a worse scout than you and I see you killing me I can see "hmm I need to aim better". Or "huh his position was better, I should try getting on the high ground and shooting for over there, I see how he kept an escape route behind him and avoided getting killed by the rest of my team". Or maybe your movement is better but that only matters once I'm actually good enough for this to be the difference and at that point I know the game well enough to recognise that and figure out where to improve. I think the only big exception to this in TF2 is rocket jumping but there's gazillions of tutorials and guides and information out there if you decide to google "how to rocket jump in TF2", with detailed guides on the physics, the precise inputs, all advanced techniques possible, a vast array of practice maps, etc.
Most servers also typically don't have more than 1-2 players per team who can wipe the enemy team like that (and besides you can only wipe the ENTIRE team if the other team doesn't have any good players, otherwise a decent player + medic + five shitters as meatshields can typically help curb even epic godlike compgods because 1-v-many fights in TF2 are very very uneven).

In mordhau you join a random frontline server and probably 50% of each team are going to be godlike compared to a relatively new player. That's just not something you can work around - you practically don't have other shitters you can engage, everywhere you go you will die ASAP. Like I already said when you do die you usually have no idea why you lost and the other guy won. Googling "how to swing manip in mordhau" will give you some ultra basic guides like mouse slow or mouse fast and that's it, same for footwork or matrixing, you basically need to ask an experienced player in person if you want the info.

>>720294730
>I'm totally white you guys!
That's why you can't read?

>>720294796
>NOOOO U CANT BEAT ME IN THE VIDEO GAME!! ITS NOT FAIR!!!!11
seethe brownoid

>>720295065
>g-guys please give me attention I'm like super elite gaymur!!
Pathetic tranny.

>>720295065
>>720295247
I'd 10-0 both of you, but I won't resort to using slurs or other problematic language to prove my superiority.

>>720294791
>you basically need to ask an experienced player in person if you want the info.
How terrible! You're forces to interact with other players in a PvP game! That's outrageous! You can't just coooooonsume the "content" of an e-grifting parasocialite and copypaste a guide? It's [current year] and you are treated like a sentient, agentic human being and not a debtcattle to he placates with a generic SBMM/bot-powered powerfantasy!? Unforgiveable!

>>720295389
Most people just get Stouty Coaching to achieve immediate, tangible results.

>>720295352
>problematic language
>to prove my superiority
Mein Neger, "problematic language" is a retard filter. If you struggle to parse it you're a thin-skinned little bitch not worth arguing with -- you don't see the message for the words.

>>720294791
the game supporting 1vX helps all players, not just the best players. like you said, some tryhard retard can just sit behind his team and farm kills while being pocketed. that isn't a good thing, thats gay and is the most common cause of steamrolls.

>>720293991
>>720295389
Well you can say all this and yet the game peaked at 800 players in the last 24 hours.
Personally, I don't play games to socialize, if I did I'd go play fucking lethal company or helldivers or whatever the latest coopslop fotm is. Or I'd sit in a discord server jerking off with other trannies.
It CAN be fun to chat with other players but if the entire gameplay is predicated on me being able to get a lecture from an experienced player first - an experienced player who himself might be looking to just play for fun rather than typing out paragraphs in the shitty ingame chat or might be a power tripping admin telling me to fuck off or might be here to farm noobs for personal satisfaction and derive enjoyment and a rush of power from having me beg for advice - then I have to be really motivated to actually bother playing your game.
Which I was in this case because Mordhau is perfectly my kind of autism but for any other kind of game I myself wouldn't have bothered, and the player numbers clearly show that it's not a winning strategy here either.

Like it or not, but "easy to pick up hard to master" is a far better strategy for game longevity than "ball busting painful to even pick up, hard to master", and can be achieved without making the "mastery" any easier or the overall game any worse, there's no dichotomy here.

>>720295757
sounds like ur a pussy who should stick to gay pve games built by retards for retards.

>>720295851
Name 3 games that aren't "built by retards for retards."

>>720295626
In TF2? Do you think the steamroll would have been prevented if 1vX was easy?
The entire reason they only happen if the tryhard has a pocket and a team of meatshields is because the tryhard needs all of that to be able to steamroll. That or you need a whole party of tryhards. And when it happens, all you need is a pocket of your own and meatshields of your own to go toe to toe with him and stop the steamroll.
Usually rolls happen either because one team is just entirely incompetent (so one tryhard with a pocket and four shitters is able to wipe a team that has purely braindead morons who don't even qualify as useful meatshields, and no medic), or the rolling team gets lucky and gets like 3-4 tryhards who work together to shut down the enemy team.

why dont they just go f2p and sell skins for armor and weapons?

>>720295936
>hurrdurr does 1vX enable 1vx???
yes u stupid retard,
if it was easier to deal with the entire enemy team blobbed while raping you as half ur team is on spawn timers, you would infact be more likely to not also get raped.

>>720296168
>if it was easier to rape you would be more likely to not get raped
???

>>720295430
Based Stouty providing his services at affordable prices.

>>720296451
>you should immediately lose if facing greater odds
>this will somehow help the less coordinated team
in other words, ywnbaw + kys

>>720296607
>it should be easier for one person to rape as many other people as possible
>this will somehow make it easier for the people not doing the raping
When one guy is rolling the other team it's not because of coordination issues.
Yes when you have a 6-stack partied up and sitting in discord VC and doing organised comp pushes in a pub that's hard to counter, but it's a totally different problem to the issue of a single 20000 hour tryhard 1v12ing your entire team, which is what this conversation is about.

>>720295851
I know you're still here. Answer the question faggot.

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>>720253294
>mordhau saddens me

why the fuck does literally everyone parrot this?

the game is not dead, not full of nothing but sweats and literally as goofy and chill as it was new.

In the us 48 player servers are full every day

>>720295757
>Well you can say all this and yet the game peaked at 800 players in the last 24 hours.
In a world run into the ground by reckless usury and its social misengineering and botched eugenics, and suspended in hyperinflation poorly masked by Matrioshka-esaue pyramid schemes, most people "prefer" coooonsumption? Yeah, no shit sherlock.
>Personally, I don't play games to socialize, if I did I'd go play fucking lethal company or helldivers or whatever the latest coopslop fotm is. Or I'd sit in a discord server jerking off with other trannies.
>socialize
>other trannies
Is this bait? Why cannot you no socialize in a PvP multiplayer or any competitive hobby?
>It CAN be fun to chat with other players but if the entire gameplay is predicated on me being able to get a lecture from an experienced player first - an experienced player who himself might be looking to just play for fun rather than typing out paragraphs in the shitty ingame chat
If you didn't just cooooomsume, you'd realize that socialization in a multiplayer game is part of its appeal.
>or might be a power tripping admin telling me to fuck off
As if badmins were unique to [game].
>or might be here to farm noobs for personal satisfaction and derive enjoyment and a rush of power from having me beg for advice
How can you reconcile the understanding that others players for fun with the projection that others play to ruin the game for others?
> then I have to be really motivated to actually bother playing your game.
Nigger, play the game or don't. If you have to force yourself to "play" it, you may be better off coooonsuming just about any other game - for your sake and that of othes you should perhaps stick to singleplayer games.
>Which I was in this case because Mordhau is perfectly my kind of autism but for any other kind of game I myself wouldn't have bothered
Aha.
(cont.)

>>720296807
im 1v12ing ur team whether or not there are 1vX mechanics, dumbass.
in simple terms, 1vX raises the skill floor so that you are less rapeable. unless you are playing with ur monitor turned off, in which case you were already going to lose no matter what and as such should stick to playing gay pve games.

>>720252713
Friendly reminder that Mordhau didn't blow anything out of the water.

>>720280829
>>720283392
this is very true, the best multiplayer experiences imho are having fun while still being skillful.

>>720276824
Chivalry 2 does the party game aspect better IMO - more players, bigger maps, more interesting objectives, and the gameplay mechanics being a bit casual-ised keep everything greased and moving. Mordhau is only truly better at 1v1 duels with a gentleman's agreement to not abuse drags/accels and fucky unclear animation bullshit.

>>720297131
>and the player numbers clearly show that it's not a winning strategy here either.
1) What's the point in appealing to the masses?
2) You've joined the ranks of experinced players... what stops you from helping out new players?
You are playing a MULTIplayer game that is strictpy dependant on its community, but you refuse to be part of that community... because now that you've been taught the basics by said community, you want to get back to coooooonsuming.
There are three outcomes on a PvP game:
>1) you get stomped by others getting to have their powerfantasy
>2) you get to have your powerfantasy and stomp others
>3) you're evenly matched
If you take issue with 1), you should take issue with 2) too, and work towards 3) repeating the process that you've been through. You rather have an active, tight community of good players than a bloated of terribads who mime NPCs. No matter how much you dumb down a game, unless people want to git gud, they simply won't bother and instead tilt, piss, shit and cry untio they are provided the illusion of being gud (e.g.: SBMM).
>Like it or not, but "easy to pick up hard to master" is a far better strategy for game longevity than "ball busting painful to even pick up, hard to master", and can be achieved without making the "mastery" any easier or the overall game any worse, there's no dichotomy here.
Anon, was it really "ball-busting painful" to enage the game and community? All you had to do was stop hotjoining into public lobbies filled with experienced players.

>>720297131
>Why cannot you no socialize in a PvP multiplayer or any competitive hobby?
Your earlier argument is that gating being able to grasp the basic gameplay behind social hurdles is a good thing actually. How is just casually socializing in a lobby related to that?
>As if badmins were unique to [game].
How does it make it any better having to interact with them to learn the game?

>If you didn't just cooooomsume, you'd realize that socialization in a multiplayer game is part of its appeal.
Is your entire definition of cosoooooming just playing the game by yourself? You keep bringing that up but literally the only difference is that in your ideal world all players would constantly be talking to each other whereas sometimes I don't wanna fucking talk to other people.

>>720297852
>2) You've joined the ranks of experinced players... what stops you from helping out new players?
a) Sometimes I want to have fun playing a medieval swordfight simulator, not coaching retards who will probably just uninstall after playing for 5 hours anyway
b) I do help out, but I alone cannot change the reality of the game, if you hop into any frontline server you'll see most skilled players styling on less skilled ones and very rarely any actual discussion or coaching going on. So what I personally do doesn't change the reality of the game for the overwhelming majority of other noobs
c) I'm also not THAT good, I have about 150 hours in duel servers. I can coach complete noobs but a lot of the time I may be able to beat someone consistently but not be able to really figure out what they need to improve because I just don't understand the game well enough. I'm not a 2000 hour comp master

>If you take issue with 1), you should take issue with 2) too
I do, in fact
>and work towards 3)
I play games to play, not work. If that's your definition of "consoooming" then come back to me when you change the language to not call them video GAMES.
But also you're missing a big point in that I can usually be easily evenly matched just by challenging the half-decent players in the server. In fact I can almost always find someone to stomp me if I'm looking for a challenge. I don't think it can be overstated how huge the skill gaps can be in mordhau.

>You rather have an active, tight community of good players than a bloated of terribads who mime NPCs.
It's not a fucking either or. TF2 is a great example actually because you can in fact learn it organically and you don't need to fucking join training servers and grind out practice matches if you just wanna have fun, the only exception maybe being rocket jumping (and maybe spy trickstab mechanics but who the fuck cares).

>>720296072
there is zero anticheat

>>720297912
>Your earlier argument is that gating being able to grasp the basic gameplay behind social hurdles is a good thing actually.
Yes.
>How is just casually socializing in a lobby related to that?
Why would one not seamlessly progress to the other?
>How does it make it any better having to interact with them to learn the game?
It doesn't. Badmins are the bane of any [game] that features community moderation. Is this your first multiplayer game?
>Is your entire definition of cosoooooming just playing the game by yourself?
My definition of coooonsuming is the entitlement and expectation to be provided a powerfantasy upon clicking a hotjoin button.
>You keep bringing that up but literally the only difference is that in your ideal world all players would constantly be talking to each other
In my ideal world people would stop padding the depopulationists' argument being retarded, disingenouas turbofaggots. In my ideal MULTIplayer game players would realize that
>1) whenever someone experiences a powerfantasy someone else experiences a stomp
>2) 95% of all problems can be solved by the community, especially if it doesn't consist of (par)asocial rejects and can rally to bully the developers into fixing actual, technical issues with the game
>3) no level of pruning will turn an ignorant, lazy and entitled bad player into a good player
See, the problem with an appeal to the masses is, again, that the [game] will get flooded with terribads. If the game's communits is dysfunctional, these terribads will succesfully rally and bully the developers into submission, to change the game into some generic mess, leading to an exodus of old players. Why cater in the slightest to players who, evidently, don't care enough about the game to learn it and engage its community? How many games have been gutted to cater to fairweather players who behave like locausts, ever cooooonsuming, and are impossible to retain?
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>>720299678
>sometimes I don't wanna fucking talk to other people.
Your definition of socialization is incessant chatter? Mein Neger, engaging people in duels and exchaning few words of commendation is already a form of socialization, and it usually progresses from there.

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>>720253132
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>>720297439
That's because the devs didn't listen to Stouty.

>>720299494
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>>720300494
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>>720298479
>not coaching retards who will probably just uninstall after playing for 5 hours anyway
No level of "help" will retain performative gaymers who just want to coooonsume.
>So what I personally do doesn't change the reality of the game for the overwhelming majority of other noobs
Is it causing you excruiating pain to drop a "learn to play on duel lobbies, or get farmed"? Change has to start somewhere.
>) I can coach complete noobs
How much coaching did you need for it to click for you? That's all that required.
>I play games to play, not work.
Are you a slave to semantics? You can cooooonsume singleplayer games, multiplayer games require a cultivation/curation of community.
>In fact I can almost always find someone to stomp me if I'm looking for a challenge.
So, the game works as intended. Intermediate gets shat on by literal and figurative no-life.
>I don't think it can be overstated how huge the skill gaps can be in mordhau.
Because you continue to find challenges?
>TF2 is a great example actually because you can in fact learn it organically and you don't need to fucking join training servers and grind out practice matches if you just wanna have fun
You are comparing a small scale, class-based FPS to a (large scale) melee. You may aswell compare Battlefield or CoD with a milsim or a flightsim respectively, and you'd produce a better argument.

>>720300557
bump

Think I'll just keep playing the superior game, FOR HONOR

>>720278000
trips of truth

>>720300941
it's shit

Bump
LOLOLOLOLOL HAHA

>>720300941
you probably meant to write chivalry 2

>>720299678
>>720300680
I think we just have drastically different ideas of what "socialization" means and how to enjoy games, and since you're just dismissing everything that doesn't align with how you play games as "consooooooming" without any clear definition there's no point in arguing this.

In particular
>My definition of coooonsuming is the entitlement and expectation to be provided a powerfantasy upon clicking a hotjoin button.
This is completely unrelated to what I'm talking about. You're building ideas in your head about how I play that are pure assumptions on your part. I generally have no issue with having to grind to get better, in both single-player and multiplayer games, as long as it's clear what I need to grind and how. My issue is with having to ask people to spoonfeed me - I don't want to have to be spoonfed, I want to be able to just work on my own to improve rather than having to beg experienced players for lectures.

Also you seem to confuse the arguments of "it would be nice if there were more players of all skill levels so new players could fight other new players rather than new players getting exclusively stomped by 1000 hour tryhards" with "I want to open the game and immediately be an epic master tryhard" which I is completely unlike everything I have ever said.

>How much coaching did you need for it to click for you?
If I was in a discord VC with stouty coaching or whatever it'd probably have been a couple of hours. I'm not fucking joining a VC lecture to play a game though. As a result it was quite a while of grasping basic mechanics through trial and error and one-sentence advice in the text chat which is not a fucking good communication medium for teaching.

>>720252713
it's a real shame they had no idea how to design maps. you'd think they'd learn, but then they released arid.

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>>720284590
>for over a year Mordhau's in-game chat was basically the wild west
>as long as you weren't saying anything truly illegal like death threats to public figures it was unlikely anything would happen except maybe a votekick if you were being super obnoxious

>months of reddit complaints, dev adds a few mute features so people can self moderate
>reddit continues to complain
>dev adds a cheeky "motivational mute" that instead turns people's banter into encouraging words of praise
>reddit still complains that people are wrongthinking instead of self moderating the things they don't want to see
>somewhere alon the line they cave in, and now you could take screenshots of people saying naughty words and go into their discord to report them and get them muted/banned
>TONS of faggots being hall monitors now, chat goes from lively banter to a near-dead wasteland
>starts happening on community servers too, not even just official ones
>it even got the point people were votekicking known faggots before they could come in and report people
Reminder that at this point there were 4 already different chat filters, mute, motivational mute, local word filters, and a generic profanity filter toggle.

>fast forward a bit more, apparently that still wasn't enough and now said discord jannies were given in-game moderator status and they can join servers as they please and kick/ban at their own discretion without needing reports
>they start policing people for shit that isn't even saying the wrong words
>"you're playing incorrectly"-tier shit, kicking people from servers because they were having naked fistfights and shit on the rooftops of castles intead of playing the objective

First time I saw that happen is the day I uninstalled. No idea how its been since but they added playable women iirc so trannymod problem has likely only gotten worse.

>>720309471
third person toggle was a mistake, should have been enforced first person always

>>720306037
I think we just have drastically different ideas of what "socialization" means and how to enjoy games, and since you're just dismissing everything that doesn't align with how you play games as "consooooooming" without any clear definition there's no point in arguing this.
Aha.
>You're building ideas in your head about how I play that are pure assumptions on your part.
You've hotjoined, got stomped, almost quir and only then started engaging the game and community.
>generally have no issue with having to grind to get better, in both single-player and multiplayer games,
Then what's the issue?
>as long as it's clear what I need to grind and how.
Anon, it's a melee, it goes without saying that you'll be learning the moveset and, in all likelyhood, animation cancels.
>My issue is with having to ask people to spoonfeed me - I don't want to have to be spoonfed
So...
>I want to be able to just work on my own to improve rather than having to beg experienced players for lectures.
...have you asked or begged for lectures in the duel lobbies? No. You've played and eventually socialized, receiving tips and advice from more experienced players. You could also remain a mute and experiment until you picked up the basics -- you didn't, why?
"it would be nice if there were more players of all skill levels so new players could fight other new players rather than new players getting exclusively stomped by 1000 hour tryhards"
Different lobbies, different players? Didn't you eventually find people you could play with until you learned the basics to hold your own in regular punlic lobbies?
>"I want to open the game and immediately be an epic master tryhard"
Anon, you've started off lamenting your struggles in regular public lobbies and the fact that you couldn't immediately compete with players with thousands hours of playtime. If that's not a crucial part of your argument, don't lead with it?
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hey looks like sam was right. weird that i got banned for agreeing the game would be dead within a year

>>720311094
Whoops, botched the initial greentext, my bad.
>If I was in a discord VC with stouty coaching or whatever it'd probably have been a couple of hours.
Is this advertisment? If so buy an ad or a rope.
>I'm not fucking joining a VC lecture to play a game though
I hope you don't.
>As a result it was quite a while of grasping basic mechanics through trial and error and one-sentence advice in the text chat which is not a fucking good communication medium for teaching.
So you've had to play the game to learn the game? The horrors! You've even socialized and found someone who'd take their time to provide guidance in shortform, matching your expectations of minimal interaction? Oh, you poor, poor boy.

Anon, do you think you'd have had more or less fun with or without this experience? Do you genuinely think that you could retain the players you're hoping to recruit?

>>720309471
a necessary evil
it is the only way of preventing shitters from 1 tapping you from behind

>>720310998
i cant go back anymore, and i tried playing with the modded fov but it distorts the view too much. nowhere as good