Can a restructuring really save Square Enix?
>>720281180Economically? Sure, they'll shadow-fire a bunch of people and cut more projects.Quality wise? The entire company's been dead since the PS2 and you can't "restructure" soul back into it.
>make bad game>it doesn't sellB-b-bbut our winning formula???
>>720281180They won't be able to rebound, they've gone even more woke since 2019 too.https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/final-fantasy-vii-remake-tifa-square-enix/>“It was necessary to restrict her chest,” said director on the game Testuya Nomura
put Enix back in charge
>>720281180No, the only publishing and development structure that works is one that is small and privately owned, not one that is large, international and publicly traded.Current Squeenix management is comprised of gambling addicts and old retards.
if they consider anything theyve done in the last 15 years to be winning i'm scared of what they have cooked up next
>>720281180>"Our winning formular is no longer effective."Wow only took them 2 decades to say what everyone but ff7 multiverse fangirls were saying after FFX.
>>720281180Only if it fundamentally alters the way their development cycles work (i.e. don’t spend 7 years per game) and improve the quality of their games on a consistent basis then yes. I expect that will be quite the challenge for them. They lack a Sakaguchi-esque manager, these current guys are all too soft.
>winning formula>the one that never worked and keep getting worse since ff15
>>720282565Konami didn't make games for a decade, the fact that something else like merch, compensated for their losses doesn't make it sustainable
>>720282696>implying 15 was the breaking pointfinal fantasy was dying post-10 and dead post-13
The winning formula better be more octopath and mana and less remakes
>>720281180Just remove Yoshi P's greasy retard fingers from FF and the franchise will be saved.
>>720282815>Konami didn't make games for a decadeWhere do you racist ass ameripiggus even come from? Konami was the biggest 3rd party on Switch for years before Monster Hunter Rise released.>wah wah wah games that aren't reselling me my snoygger childhood don't count
>>720282861I honestly fear what could happen to team asano if they Square focuses on them. Their CEOs are like the eye of sauron, when they look at something they will corrupt it.
this was posted in may, so what did SE change since then?
>>720281180ehr, i don't care about final faggotslop anymore
>>720281180their winning formula has been deviated from for the last 4 entries in their mainline series and their traditional AA presence all but vanished in gen 7 until like 5 years ago
why do SE keep giving their investors bad news no matter how much time I spend defending them from doomers on /v/? it's like I'm wasting my time here
>>720283473I don't know anon, maybe you just need to post >>720283003 100 more times and keep shitposting about metaphor. That will save SE somehow.
>>720282991aside from Bomberman what did they release?
>>720283097May of last year even. They ditched a shitload of games in development and they're changing the structure of the teams and how they operate together. Not sure much actual details have leaked out about it, if at all.
Square will never be able to make a game like FF9 anymore so why bother? The company is worthless.
>>720283598kill yourself turd based sissy
SE will outlive your bloodline.
>>720281180yeah, just get rid of the WOKIES and you'll make FFXIV profitable again
>>720283683That's a remake, the latest FF they made was 16. Did you cream your pants over that too?
>>720282565I do contract work for Bandai and holy shit let me tell you. That company is run by some of the stupidest fucking people I've ever met. I've been watching them just crater their entire card game division for the last 2 years. Rather than fix their shit and properly support anything they just keep pumping out more goddamn garbage games. Then they run each branch like separate companies to the point that they have to fucking request rights to their own ips from other branches its so much bureaucracy for the stupidest tiny shit.
The fucking Magic the Gathering collab made more waves and brought FF back into the public eye than anthing they've been able to do since 2015. The FF7 Remake came close, until they decided to do a "Re-imagining" and waste time instead of just playing it straight.
>>720283578Momotaro.
>>720282565>>720283003>>720283683>>720283724How many images do you have in your SE defence force folder
>>720282991Oh yeah, rom packs are the column that holds the switch market.
>>720281785this, just fire small groups of people across unrelated departments to make sure it doesn't look like a mass firing then call it something corporate like "organizational streamlining" while hiring more jeets for pennies to pick up the slack
>Square Enix stops making 4 niggas in a row FFs>This happens
Foamstar relaunch when?
>>720283786FF7 could work as either complete what if insanity or one for one remake, but SE in all of its retarded wisdom tried to do both and it pleased absolutely nobody.
>>720281180FF7R3 is going to blow everyone's socks off.
>>720283863>look it up >its a mobilegame looking thing that never even got localisedcool?
>>720283915They give you a whole folder during onboarding.
>>720283784Sounds like a Japanese company alright.
>>720283784Reminds me how Yuji Naka screwed the entire Saturn because he didn't want to share developer tools and documentation with the other internal Sega teams lol. What a bunch of morons.
>>720281180It would need to contain 2 key elements>An excising of progressive powerIt's not realistic to remove all the progressives but you can have a few chuds around to slap them down when they get uppity >An understanding that listening to feedback means listening to feedback from your entire audience XIV in particular has suffered immensely by pandering simultaneously to the most hardcore and the most casual players while leaving the majority in the middle to rot
>>720281180i refuse to support anything Square related unless they fire their dei and feminist censorship department.
>>720281180>wow if we shuffle around our employees, keep the same people in charge of deparments anyway and cut some divisions/games/employees from the bottom surely we'll suddenly become popular again!YOU MAKE DOGSHIT GAMESYOU WILL NEVER BE POPULAR UNTIL YOU STOP MAKING DOGSHIT GAMES AND RETURN TO MAKING ACTUALLY GOOD GAMESEvery department head, every ceo, every one of them is the fucking problem to begin with and has been an increasing problem for something like 17 years nowThey make bad games, they price their games poorly, they put no effort or budget into the games their core niche fanbase would want and put infinity money into dogshit designed for normies that they will never play. They have no loyalty, look at their gacha businesses, they spin some dogshit up, jew it out to the max with typical squenix greed, then eos it all in a few years. Meanwhile fgo has been going for 10 years, same game, no infinity greed, no 50,000 popups everyday about shop purchases, no wildly predatory banners designed purposely to dilute them so much you can't get anything you want without spending.Now mobile games are a dogshit business to begin with, but squenix cannot even do THAT right. What fucking hope do they have of making a good rpg.They can't innovate, they copy trends 10 years behind the trend, and they refuse to target the established consumer base they had desperately instead trying to chase new ones that have not appeared and are clearly not going to appear.Said it years ago, I'll keep saying it, squenix are essentially a dead company walking and they won't keep walking forever. Every passable game they've put out recently is a remaster, that obviously has limits and can't continue forever.
>>720283784I should add onto this I have a friend who does some contract work for SE. Apparently the company is fucking terrified that if they don't turn FFXIV around or have some other huge injection of money that they'll be bought out by Sony Online Entertainment within the next 3 years with their current level of spending.
No, not really. As the American video game industry has proven the actual blight always manages to survive layoffs & restructing, and in fact tend to be the ones who end up getting promoted to higher positions. What'll happen is nameless grunt salarymen are fired while the people pushing the terrible shit continue to float unimpeded to the top.
>>72028283815 sold a fuckload of copies thoughI'm a lifelong FF fag and I will play all FFs they release, but they need to revive the vibes, 16 was ok, but way too WRPG. Bring back Nojima and Nomura and let them make some retarded teenagers saving the world game again.
>>720284447You summed it up well with the way they copy trends. Square Enix is always so far behind the curve and they've given up on trying to innovate in the least. They just chase fads and reach the finish line with them 4-6 years to late.
>>720284485Give us some leaks then about upcoming games
>>720283784>have to fucking request rights to their own ips from other branchesYou would be stupid not to do this, it's a question of how smooth the process is
>>720281180>Our inning formula is no longer effectiveThe formula they abandoned two decades ago??The formula some no-name French fans made a highly lauded GotY candidate with in current year? No. That formula is still effective. Very interesting how Square Enix just threw that formula in the trash just because they weren't selling CoD numbers.
>>720284594They're making remake part 3 as bad as possible to see if fanboys will still convince themselves they like it. Turns out they've been doing this with FF7 spinoff media for years.
>>720284671rebirth was objectively an improvement to remake though, they might make a good game, it just won't sell well
>>720284635Well a good example is art for a convention where we had the ok to use 90% of this image but the last 10% that was like the back of a characters shirt was not ok to use so we had to spend 3 days getting the rights to use the full art. >>720284594I've got nothing for SE just Bandai shit and I'm under nda sorry man. I will say that they're not against reviving old games though.
>>720283003Those are weak numbers. FF used to sell millions week one in Japan. Here's all the week 1 FF game sales starting from XIII.[[PS3] Final Fantasy XIII - 1.501.964 (Media Create)>[PS4] Final Fantasy XV - 716.649 (Famitsu)>[PS4] Final Fantasy VII Remake - 702.853 (Famitsu)>[PS5] Final Fantasy XVI – 336.027 (Famitsu)>[PS5] Final Fantasy VII Rebirth - 262.656 (Famitsu)The one that isn't action has the highest sales.
>>720281180I am reasonably confident that it is corporate speak to say that he will not recruit more talented people to improve their games, and will instead prioritise shareholders by lowering costs for short term gains.Basically, going the opposite of Mihoyo, which produces for Genshin in a year what would take several years for FF14.
>>720284712yeah remake had a lot of flaws in retrospect. the critics were vindicated in the end.
>>720284748I really don't know where they can trim down anymore they've been weird about contracting out a lot of shit when it comes to FFXIV and its core dev team is down to less than 100 people its fucking wild to see what is one of the biggest mmos running with what most large GaaS would see as a skeleton crew.
>>720282815>kojimafag forgets that konami is the yugioh/sports companywhen will you ever learn?
>>720284716>I've got nothing for SE just Bandai shit and I'm under nda sorry man. I will say that they're not against reviving old games though.Fair enough, I understand. Mostly just hoping for a DQ12 update at some stage, it's so deadly quiet on it
>>720284716>I will say that they're not against reviving old games though.Oh shit nigger, Tekken 5 Online with crossplay, Tales of 2D Collection featuring the PS2 games and Xenosaga HD are all confirmed.
I don’t get it. Is it so difficult to make a new Final Fantasy game? Doesn’t have to be a spin off, doesn’t have to be an ARPG, doesn’t have to have Unreal Engine 5 graphics, make it a stylised world that people want to get invested in with characters they love and add charm, whimsy and heroism. That’s it. Aim for the biggest catchment by releasing on multiple platforms instead of just PlayStation. That’s it.
>>720284583You don't even need to innovate, vanillaware make the same kind of games over and over again, and they're great.But squenix both don't innovate, can't do so, and also refuse to simply make the standard formula that people want too. I swear live service numbers and fortnite and shit broke many companies and ceos brains entirely, it's all they chase, just massive gamblers. Access to money printers with guaranteed profit for eternity and instead they choose to just spend all their money on lottery tickets for no reason
>>720284815>Can't even have a B team doing side story trials
>>720284485If KH4 or FFVII-3 end on cliffhangers, they are fucking done.
>>720284886Dude I will tell you its none of those. Goddamn I'd do filthy things for Xenosaga remakes. I've been putting all my time with higher ups into trying to convince them to do anything with Gundam Thunderbolt or .Hack// but at this point pretty sure most of them forgot they even own .hack.
>>720284894Vanillaware is kind of a bad example they basically run themselves deep into the red for every game launch and eventually the gamble isn't going to pay off.
>>720284712>they might make a good gamethe last twenty or so years begs to differ.
>>720284886>Tekken 5 Online with crossplayNamco is too retarded to do something so desirable and obvious like this.
>>720281180That's exactly what they need, but they won't get anywhere near the restructuring they need, as in ever the current paradigm of development and management is far too removed from their 90s golden age that they are incapable of understanding what's needed.
>>720284894I read an article on /vr/ written by a guy who was ranting about how Square’s method of trying to innovate the JRPG formula for every new title was an unsustainable trend that would eventually fuck them over. I guess he was right lol.
>>720283784I knew devs who worked in EA and Ubisoft ('no you didn't" nigga it's like the easiest game place to get a job at, they hire interns like you wouldn't believe) who said everything they submitted had to go through several internal consistency committee's which could take days or even weeks. This was for programmers, artists, advertising, etc. Makes me wonder, what's the point of a fucking boss then? In the pre-seventh gen era the only person who would dictate what should be shown to the director of the game is your boss, and before that era you would submit directly to the director.
>>720283473kek
>>720285184idk Octopath 2 was one of the best games i've played over the past 5 years. But if we're talking FF, maybe
>>720284894>You don't even need to innovateFF7 changed the thought process of Square's game development. This is where they killed their old format in favor of innovation, expanding, going cinematic, moving away from core thematics and it paid off. Completely shifted the way they go about creating their games and while it held up for a while, it inevitably caught up to them.
>>720285091I kinda like how they do that, though. The all-or-nothing style when it comes to making media is what makes for great media. Playing it safe probably doesn’t work for their design philosophy in any case.
>>720283473based zealot
>>720285349>Octopath 2 was one of the best games i've played over the past 5 years.Have you played the first? Asking because I got both bundled together and I hated the first so much that it made me not want to play the sequel.
>>720285020>>720285193Fine, I will keep labbing Tekken 5 until the day comes. Tekkeb 5 and Tekken 4 force mode are all I need.
>>720285091no it's not, it's a fine examplethey do that because they're a small company without a massive pool of capital. squenix don't have that excuse, they fritter away infinity money on dogshit with regularity, they would not have to put themselves into the red like vanillaware do.the point was not about that regardless, it was about how vanillaware do not innovate all that much, they make the same few types of games over and over for decades and every time they are good games. you can innovate, or you can stick to what you're good at, but you cannot do neither and squenix chooses to do neither, because they're bad at the former and don't want to do the latter.
>>720282984the series has been fucked long before he got a chance to make something
>>720285261>they won't get anywhere near the restructuring they needMaybe not, but this is the biggest restructure they've done probably since the merger at least
>>720284149And that's still more than what most third parties shit out on Nintendo hardware, the only feeling I have is disgust for third parties.
>>720281180Uhh they abandoned their winning formula ages ago for whatever dumpster fire they've been shitting into the last decade. 13 sucked not because it was a turn based game but because every other part of it was shit, 15 was shit, 16 was shit. 14 was an OK WoW clone that's gotten incredibly stale.The last bunch of games they've made haven't been any formula, they've all been experimental action games and not the JRPG's that people fucking wanted from them all along. Yoshi P and anyone at the company that listens to him are fucking retards for hating the JRPG label, because that's all anyone has ever wanted from him and the company.
>>720285929It has never been this fucked, the pissman made an RPG series into a fucking character action game. He deserves the rope.
>>720285349>idk Octopath 2 was one of the best games i've played over the past 5 years.but it wasn't a game. just like octopath 1, it was at best 1/3rd of a game. it is verging on mobile tier slop, all of the spritework is bad except for enemies and bosses in particular, all of the enviroment art is bad, the combat system has goddamn no depth to it and no reason for depth anyway because the game is over in no time at all with little optional content to even justify power gaming in any way.i really think you people that say shit like this are broken in the head man. the content of the entire game of octo 1 or 2 is as much as the first couple of chapters in any star ocean game. in most rpgs from the genesis all the way up to the ps2 in fact. the amount of story dialogue in the entire game of oct2, even if you count all the disjointed stories that "totally come together btw with this one single thread" is fucking nothing compared to any real jrpg, because it was half assed by 3 dudes in the basement with a 5 yen budget.like yeah, it's something squenix put out that's tolerable and half decent, but that's because squenix puts out dogshit so your standards have slipped into the goddamn abyss and you'll praise literal crumbs and tablescraps at this point. the minute you throw it in an environment of all the other jrpgs to exist in history, it falls flat on its face even shitty jrpgs from 20 years ago beat the fuck out of it in content, story length, optional content, depth of rpg systems, and even graphics because you actually cannot do worse than what octopath does for player character art and environment art. you would have to look at 8 bit games to find art that doesn't beat it, that's like fucking 35 years mani am not content with table scraps
>>720285992>Square Enix is undergoing a significant restructuring that began with major layoffs in its North American and European offices in 2024 and 2025, a shift from single-console exclusivity to multiplatform development, and the implementation of a new "Square Enix Reboot and Awakens" medium-term business plan. This plan focuses on improving profitability by streamlining development, reducing bloated release schedules, and prioritizing the release of high-quality games over quantity. Recent structural changes include merging the Luminous Productions studio into the main Square Enix Co., Ltd. in 2023 to enhance development capabilities and creating a new franchise management division in 2024 to consolidate internal studios.The only improvement they are making is layoffs in Europe/US, every other decision is bad for them, and even their own data agrees, Square Enix lost money on their FFXVI port to Xbox, multiplat won't fix their issues, they keep making games nobody wants, they alienated their core audience and their products don't resonate with newcomers.>reducing bloated release schedules>quality over quantityI hope this just leads to a faster Sony buyout, because that's where they're headed, that is their best case scenario on their current course they are setting for themselves.
>>720286149no more than the retards making 13 and 15
If they want my respect they need to patch all their recent games with dei remover. I don't play games that purposefully cuck players
Hopefully getting rid of mobile department considering they've probably lost the most money there
>>720286256Just convert it into a Switch 2 centric development team, of all the choices they needed to make over the last decade more higher quality Switch support should have been the absolute no brainer number 1 choice, but it's mostly been side teams working on it, you'd think Square Enix would have been eager to ride the wave that reinvigorated the Japanese market creating the highest selling console in that region of all time and a massive wall of chart topping titles, but no and that's an understatement, I am literally incapable of understanding how such a decision was not made, considered or even mentioned once to the companies management, it's free money, it's more free money than what's available elsewhere and there's been so little in the AAA space for Switch/Switch 2 that literally a game like Cyberpunk was able to just be ported and it became a literal overnight hit.Anyone looking at the company can only come to the conclusion that middle and upper management is staffed by literal retards, not simple minded, not mildly retarded with a few quirks, no completely unable to function stuck in a chair with no real connection to the world retarded.
>>720286193>even their own data agreesIt's a 3 year long plan for a big development switchup, there's not much to base its success (or lack thereof) on such short notice.
>>720286496their data from previous decisions points out that these new decisions are not good ones to make, a gambler deciding to just use more of their money for gambling in order to recoup their losses is not a decision that makes any sense but this is basically what they are doing.
>>720284149This sold like 5 million by now. They also have a yearly baseball game that sells like 1 million and is a cultural pillar in vtuber sphere and such.
>>720281180Lmao the winning formula hasn't worked in 12 years
>>720281180>our winning formula20 years late
>>720284485Nice larp but sony can not afford square.
>>720286170Trying too hard
>>720281180They can't use Toriyama's art in games, ESRB cultural Marxists board has to be "restructured" first.
JUST GIMME A CHARMING CINEMATIC JRPG WITH 3-4 NIGGAS IN A ROW, 11/10 OST AND 11/10 ART STYLE YOU FUCKING ZIPPERHEADED GOOKS
>>720282565Why didn't Sony come out?
>>720284445>game company has a tranny department
>>720282696FFXV kind of worked because they released it twice on like 5 different platforms. Even after 2 years of patching it's still an absolute mess. It's very telling that more people remember and discuss 12 and 13 than fucking 15.
>>720286763They wasted 2 billion on Bungie, they can afford the 300mil it would cost to buy Square Enix.
>>720281180Get rid of the tranny localizers, ethics department and DEI/ESG initiatives.
>>720281180No. It's giga fucked by Japanese business retardation. You can look at literally anything even at a small level and it >ffxiv>samurai class>devs remove a buff that was central to the job>literally every single fan hates this change >two expansions later and its not back>literally universally wanted back into the kit by every player>countless threads about this shit>but japanese dev say "no" without explanationthat's itthat's literally itit hits at the core of the entire company>"Hey the players really, really, really fucking want this thing. Should we give it to them?">"No">"Why?">"We don't want to"It's the same reason retarded companies like the pokemon company exist. How the FUCK did it take an indie developer to make a card shop simulator game? Just give that fucking shit to 10 devs to fuck off and make it
>>720281180I'm glad I'm not shackled by nostalgia and think S-E's output has been actually decent for the past year7 Rebirth, SaGa Emerald, RS2 remake, and Visions of Mana were all fun games with a few flaws here and there.
>>720281180final fantasy 17: wuk lamat rise
>>720287338the wuk lamat disaster needs to be studied
>>720287393It's so bad that it overshadows a lot of other problems. >claim this is a relaxing expansion to reset the pace after a big world ending disaster that took a decade to set up>expansion actually ends with mother fucking aliens invading and another world ending disasterThey went full naruto
Lightning will get a new game and SAVE squenix!
>>720287393>>720287575lightning case too
>we need to sell double digit millions to break even>makes it a timed exclusive on the PSBraindead fucktards and they even did it multiple times.
>>720287635I think the Yoshida hate is overblown but his take on RPG's was such a disaster. Dude just declared that genre wasn't popular right before a ton of RPG's sold bank
>>720281180If they get rid of the woke shit during the restructuring then I suppose they may have a shot.
>>720283784>they run each branch like separate companies to the point that they have to fucking request rights to their own ips from other branchesSounds about right with the Tales remasters cutting crossover outfits originating from IPs that Bamco itself owns the rights to.
>>720281180They stopped making the games I cared about decades ago
>>720287575FINAL FANTASY 17 is announced but the teaser at the end shows... a 13+4?
>>720284485They're retarded if they didn't already have a successor mmo in the works this entire time, XIV is built on ancient Crystal Tools spaghetti code and the MSQ continues to become more of a barrier to newcomers with every new xpac they shouldn't have saddled the entire companies future on this game thinking it was a golden goose which would be popular forever.
>>720281180>our winning formula dosent work anymore!ITS NOT WORKED SINCE THE 90's! WHAT IS THIS ASSHOLE ON ABOUT!
>>720287842>They're retardedThat much should be obvious. Under the previous CEO the strategy was literally "pump out as many games as possible, regardless of quality". It's why the entire AA output is disappearing now.
>>720281180It's their only chance. Company has been stagnant for over a decade now.
>>720281180Nothing is over! Nothing!https://x.com/symbiogenesisen
The fact that FF17 is in the PLANNING stages not even in early production currently tells you how completely fucked their development pipeline is.
>>720281180no. their board of directors are white ugly women. unless they boot them out, its over for square
>>720288042I recognise that name.
>>720288070We really don't need more evidence of their fucked workflow, every FF game for the past 20 years has had a miserable dev cycle with multiple major staff changes and huge delays only to end up with underwhelming sales.
>restructurewhat does this even mean
JUST MAKE GOOD GAMES THAT PEOPLE WANT TO PLAY AND DISCUSSJUST MAKE GOOD GAMES JUST MAKE GOOD GAMES NIGGERSIT'S THAT FUCKING EASY
>>720288437>only to end up with underwhelming sales.That's the thing, 12, 13, 15 all sold fine. If anything they've been getting away with their development cycles being a shitshow for many years, but now not so much anymore.
>>720284815I wonder if this can be tracked back to a particular shareholder meeting or a asset manager investing in Square Enix.After all, there is this famous Nintendo meeting where someone complained that they were discussing video games and not money.
>>720287842>XIV is built on ancient Crystal Tools spaghetti codeYet some chinks were able to rebuild it in UE4 in a few years for mobile.... They are just lazy fucks who don't want to invest in the only project that WAS making them money.
>>720288729
Sega won.Hopefully they buy out SE once it goes bankrupt (again) and we get Atlus 2.0.
>>720282696>since 15You mean single player mmo (12)?
>>720281180>winning formula>ignore market leader Nintendo and keep with loser PlaystationGenius. Pure genius
se is doomed unless they kick out nomura and yoshida
>>720281785>within 13 years Square went from being a nearly bankrupt garage studio to being a household name with a minimum of 3 games roundly considered some of the best games of their era>25 years later with basically unlimited budgets and brand recognition Square has produced zero popular games and is now relying on remaking a nearly 30 year old game to keep itself afloatCrazy that SE was been shit for almost twice as long as it was good. Why do zombie companies get to coast so long?
>>720281180>Woke and censored games>With the same boring stories>"Why isn't this selling?"
>>720281180No because outside of FF MMO's no one likes the kind of games they make, especially young people.
>>720282565>Crapcom that far downfucking lmao
>>720283724>Sega Sammy Holdingscant believe that autistic kid was so into Sonic that he bought Sega
>>720289247Nigger it's 2025. Stop spreading the fake bankruptcy story. That never happened.
>>720289247Investors are really really stupid. Like shockingly dumb, I've attended a corporate board meeting once and it's kinda wild how "simple" the people you have to convince are.People in finance aren't mega-IQs, they're just as retarded as me and you and some are a bellow even that.
>>720281180>>720288580>MAKE GOOD GAMES THAT PEOPLE WANT TO PLAYDo you really want that? Think about it for a second. What are the games that people want? What are the biggest sellers and money makers? Fortnite, Call of Duty, Fifa... And as much as retards want to shill E33 the game still sold less than FF16. Metaphor and SMTV both sold less than 3 millions too because the kind of games people want are not games like FF and that is the reality you retards refuse to understand.
>FFXIV is SE cash cow>Instead of invest into the game to give it more content and convert it into the best MMO in the market, they just expand the time between patches
The younger generations really don't give a fuck about classic legacy franchises these days. And these mega corporations really didn't think or plan for that happening and now they are FUCKED.Think of it like kids growing up and seeing old 60's cartoons like Top Cat or Tintin. Nobody wants to watch that old shit. Popeye or Flintstones or whatever. They want new shit. If this ever happens to Nintendo then Nintendo are FUCKED too. Imagine if generation Beta decided Mario wasn't cool anymore cus it's 50/60 years old.
>>720281180>Make FF games>they don't play like an FF game>sell like shit>Have golden goose MMO>story writers tell their tale>refuse to write more>bring in B team/some random that wrote rep grind material>proceed to make content for gatherers and sweats in statics>hold out on longform grind content until content drought post .4>smack BLM with the simplification hammer>finally address add-ons, don't focus on detecting and banning automationIn both instances just make good gameplay. Give the mainline enjoyers a classic style FF game and give the MMO players .4 sooner and focus on making content with good gameplay for the time being since shit writing is a given whole the new writers struggle to find their legs.
>>720289807Nintendo has IPs that work more in their favor, kid friendly so they still grow up with it, much easier to bring into new generations. Slower paced story driven games like FF are a lot tougher to sell (if not impossible) to current day teenage audience.In that sense I don't think it's a bad idea to go with FF16's route of aiming more for the young adult audience instead, but the games will have to be a lot better and more unique to leave a lasting impression.
>>720282036>“It was necessary to restrict her chest,” said notoriously closeted director on the game Testuya Nomura
>>720290101When did they simplify BLM?
>>7202904207.25 saw them get a cast time buff and the Enochian timer done away with entirely. Enjoy your fire iv spam. The goal was to make them more viable in light of the increasing DDR mechanics.
>>720281180These mf's got stuck in time>Graphic bloat>Console exclusivity >Let's chop our game in 3, sure it will work!
>>720290620I honestly fucking hate the encounter design in XIV. I prefer DPS races or CCing adds or literally anything that isn't "move out of this spot or you die" every 5 seconds.
>>720285450I did, and while I thought it as fine, the sequel is superior in every way that if I get the urge to replay it, I'll skip OT1 entirely>>720286170you have no soul man, learn to enjoy things
>>720289807Persona is a classic legacy ip and people care about it more than ever.
>>720287393i refuse to touch FFXIV until they get rid of wuk lamat. The fuck is Yoshi's fascination with that character anyway, is he a furry or somethign
>>720281180>company in the shitterNO MAKE GOOD BIDEO GAYMU, RESTRUCTURE SARARIMANI hope it fucking dies, along with the rest of AAA. Get the suits and investors out of the industry.
>>720291180Never ever return because they're going in the direction of moving = mechanics.
>>720281180sure, why not
>>720291638Anything to avoid letting you interact with your classes skills and spells I guess. Wouldn't want people to realise how shit the rotations and burst phase class balance feels.
"Our winning formula is no longer effective" says the company who hasn't used their winning formula in nearly 20 years.
>>720292026 Exactly. God forbid you actually get to enjoy the job fantasy instead of doing interpretive dance every 3 seconds. It's wild how much effort they put into animation polish and big flashy spells, only for the fights to punish you for ever standing still long enough to see them. And people still defend this crap like it's peak encounter design.
I could pull every single company out of the shitter by firing all DEI subhumans, removing niggers and other shit from all the games and adding hot White women, instead.
>>720292026>sleep spell still existsWhy?
>>720281180I have an idea. Make a lower fidelity game with fan service and much deeper mechanics instead of spending 5+ years on putting thematically appropriate grime on every piece of litter painstakingly added into every gutter and roof tile.
>>720281180Fuck them.Fuck. Them.
>>720281180Good luck trying to remove the cancer enix from it
Why is op posting ai slop articles
>>720281180I have been saying for years that if they fire Nomura and cancel the waste of time and money that is the Kingdom Hearts series you will see SE shoot up to square soft levels of quality overnight.
>>720289390Pragmata will save them
>>720293383please understand, the autistic 40 year olds need their soft play area
>>720281180>14 hours ago>article from may 2024>this bitchboy is still posting the same image a year and a half later
>>720293467and since then FF sales skyrocketed thanks to a restructure and new winning formula, yes? lmao
>>720293458Kill them all too.
>>720293467Yeah and the same image was making you cry like a whipped nigger on day one. You're as upset by the sight of it today as you were when it was brand new.
>>720281180Square Enix doesn't want to accept that Final Fantasy will never be the brand name it was in the 90s again.If Square wants an actual successful future and not continuously declining sales, they need to stop putting all their eggs into Final Fantasy cause the old guard treat it as the sacred cow of the company. And start fully supporting their other IPs, or building up new IPs instead to replace the yearly final fantasy slop
>>720293525>>720293593>bitches apologize for bitches who ritualpost like bitchesShocking. Also>1 minute apartExcuse me. A bitch. Not plural.
>>720293741>PLEASE don't post negative SE news even if it comes from SE themselves!!!!waah waah
>>720293603Investors see an established brand name and they think it will make the most money now. The long term doesnt matter to them.Other SE IPs are relegated to the pachinko hell.
>>720293869>news>may 2024Where was news posted? That's OLDs.HOLY SHIT! CHECK OUT THIS NEWS! FUCK! I JUST SAW IT!
>>720292186>and adding [...] womenbankruptcy in 6 months
>>720294015>WAAAH WAAAHso if I find a negative SE story from this week, how would you feel about it?
>>720286193I still don’t understand why Luminous Productions was its own studio to begin withIt feels like it only came into existence so the “main” Squenix could distance itself from Forspoken, which didn’t work anywayTo this day many people think Squenix “made” the Avengers game just because their logo is on it
>>720294150Don't care, then. I have no feelings one way or the other about SE, schizo. I just hate ritualposters. Get to posting a picture of a hunched forward Zelda with "STOP DRAWING ME WITH A CARTOONISHLY HUGE ASS!"
>>720293525kek 2m was the only number we ever got for FINAL FANTASY 7 REBIRTHif that's not worth a chuckle, even after a year, I don't know what is
>>720294295Absolutely, but it deserves a new image. He didn't even recap the article today. It's the same image from May 2024.
>>720281180>our winning formula is no longer effectivenigga what winning formula?Every FF for like the past 3 console generations have been a mess and not followed any set 'winning' formula.
>>720289390capcom went from like 2 dozen successful franchises to 3 through sheer negligence.
>>720294227>Don't caregreat, you can dry your eyes now
>>720294227Funny, I don't see you complaining in the Scarlet ritual thread that's up right now
>>720284892The people demand more HD remasters. They don’t need a decent RPG, they just want old stuff re-released over and over again.
>>720294672Current spamming is an entirely different and also annoying issue. It's not ritualposting (yet) because it's the current thing.
>Winning formula>An FF game without sakaguchi, amano and uematsu
Barry won
>>720286981XV has similar problems to XVI, which can mostly be boiled down to “the gameplay doesn’t get legitimately good until you’ve already put 50 hours into it.” Feels like Squenix’s developers legitimately don’t understand how mediocre what they’re making is until the eleventh hour, when they realize “oh fuck maybe we should put some actually good fights in the game”, but by then all they can do is add some postgame shit only the most dedicated autists will play. At least XII and XIII introduce their main systems (gambits and paradigms) relatively early and, while they start off overly simplistic, they grow in complexity alongside the enemy design in a very classically gamey way. XV is an open world game so it struggles to recreate that kind of progression and pacing, while XVI could have done it if it wasn’t being designed by mentally unhinged freaks who don’t realize that an action game needs more enemy types than “Musou fodder” and “brick shithouse”
>>720281180turns out you can't live forever on rehashing games your predecessor made before you just make the chrono trigger remake and close the studio already
>>720295613He's dead tho.
SE went too hard into AAA and it's not working anymore.
>>720281180>continually alienate your fans by warping your creations in vain attempts to "appeal to a wider audience">sales continually go downhmmm, a winning formula indeed.
>>720281180The French can teach em a thing or two
>>720282565>>720286945That ranking is based on cash availability, Nintendo has actual money on hand and very little debt. Sony and many other bigger japanese companies have more worth per se but that's all in titles, stocks, etc. and a lot of debt, not actual money on hand. That's how many of the richest people around the world operate as well, their fortune are a sum of many things, seldom out of real cash.
>>720287493It’s bizarre. They could have saved on budget and dev time by just making a breezy vacation arc where we get to hang out with characters we actually like. But no, someone had to give their Sue a whole “le epic battle of le epic destiny” because what else are they going to do? Be an actual character?
>>720292186>add hot white womenI hope you mean in game, cause finding one in real life is a unicorn already. Finding one that has her head on straight is near impossible.
>>720281180>wants to bring in new fans>makes a final fantasy for literal 60 year oldsbrilliant move square enix
>>720296069>FF13 mixed with Sekirolets not
>>720283003This doesn't mean jackshit because ps5 software sales have been god awful, especially in japan. Captcha: XDGAY
>>720296242
>Final Fantasy has always been gay as fuck with shitty gameplay for autists and women>Finally starts distilling itself down to the purest faggotry of what it truly is>Fans shocked and appalled My superior taste has never failed me.The one single time my favorite franchise started pandering to gays and women, it immediately flopped.Developers kneel to those who don't like retarded and gay shit. I run this industry.SQUARE ENIX WILL RESTRUCTURE AND THEY WILL BE LESS GAY AND RETARDEDI DEMAND ITYou're welcome, homos. Enjoy your better franchise. No need to thank me
>>720296242Final fantasy is not a boomer fr-
>>720296640It's amazing how FF15 players are exclusively zoomers.
>>720296069More cunny fanservice?
>>720281180god no
>>720296904Thats one of those two things....
>>720294763To be fair to those people, we've all seen what modern SE is capable of with their original titles.
>>720281180I won't lie the only square enix game I liked was a game were you beat up nameless enemies and flown around on a dragon.
>>720297574Oh, Jackie Chan.
>>720281180>square enix>dumb decisionname a more iconic duo
>>720283003Being first means nothing when the 2nd place is weak. You idiot.
>>720282036>It was necessary because the homosexuals in charge demanded itPut Nomura in charge and the company is saved. Prove me wrong.
>>720281180what's to save? they haven't made a good game in decadesplural
>>720297742None exist. They've taken Sega's title at this point.
>>720281180All they need to do is go back to making GOOD FF games that aren't low-key AAA slop (bring back ATB turn based battles, and 'four niggas in a row'), quit making their mainline games into shitty MMOs, and quit making mobage gacha shit.
>>720281180>winning formula>Make whatever the fuck and put the words "final fantasy" on it
>>720301192The best FF was "3 niggas in a wedge."
>>720294763But I don’t want that. I want swashbuckling heroism, I want tales of daring adventure, romance and victory through friendship and striving for what’s good! I want to feel like I felt when I played FF5-10. I WANT TO FEEL, DAMN IT! And if SE can’t do that anymore, then they should die.
>>720284720Zoomers don't like jrpgsMillennials are too bitter and jaded for jrpgsGachas
>>720298473He's gay.
>>720281180"our winning formula" So they admit turning their best franchise into an abomination instead of keeping what people loved was a mega mistake. I didn't expect this level of honesty from the incompetent leadership at Squeenix. Now they just need to grovel at Sakaguchis feet to make him come back and save their company.
>>720302685When you make FF8, it's natural that nothing else will be able to compare and perception sours over time. Look at what happened since The Empire Strikes Back.
>>720281180>release FNC games for a decade>no one liked Lightning>everyone wanted to like Noctis, but the game went through development hell and dev changes and XV ended up being a disaster even if it allegedly sold well>so what does SE do?>they embark on another decade-long endeavor by releasing Final Fantasy VII across 2 different console generations>we're only at Part 2 and people are already so tired of it that it sold worse than XVIMaybe... maybe they should stop making the same game for a decade. Just a thought.
they need to stop taking 10 years to make FF gameslike at some point they should realize that their fans are fucking dying out, literally
>>720302937Personally I just lost any interest in the remakes when they butchered the story. I already had very little because it didn't feature turn-based combat.I am so glad that Clair Obscur spat in Squeenix face and showed that turn-based is still very viable with videogames.
>>720302937>we're only at Part 2 and people are already so tired of it that it sold worse than XVIIt outsold XV, though, and that makes Barry seethe.Imagine selling under 30k copies.
>>720282565FUCK KADOKAWA
>>720303258>I am so glad that Clair Obscur spat in Squeenix face and showed that turn-based is still very viable with videogames.The thing that shitposters like you always seem to forget is the Square Enix is still making turn-based games. Several of them, in fact. They just aren't called Final Fantasy. >>720303405Huh? XV outsold like everything except the MMOs
>>720303685It sold under 30k copies. I posted proof.
>>720303727As much as Barry is a piece of shit and should get any other hobby, you're being even more retarded than he usually is right now.
>>720284716What do you think happened with Blue Protocol? Besides the game being trash
>>720304985Am I going senile? Didn't they cancel Blue Protocol? Or did they decide to resurrect it?
>>720282696Would say ff12 was kind of weird but ff13 was fucking horrible characters and I legitimately quit the game a few hours in. Then ff14 almost killed final fantasy then 15 was a horrible game with so many stupid gameplay design that it’s a miracle I beat it day one. Guess I thought it would get better but never did
>>720283724My bloodline is thousands of years old retard.
>>720287842YOU'RE retarded if you think MMOs are a sustainable genre that will continue to exist after the current generation of them dies out. MMOs are an extremely risky prospect to make because unlike other genres they have an objective player requirement to even engage in content at the basic level. This is a massive upfront cost with little ROI. The only reason ARR even exists is because it would be a massive loss of face for Square at the time to shut down 1.0, nowadays?I don't think they'd really blink.
>thinking 'winning formula' is referring to turn based FF in this context
>>720305228The rights were sold to some Chinese company after the original release was a failure
>>720286985See >>72028372Absolute fucking retard.
>>720287829SE makes more turd based games then any other company. You retards dont buy them.
>>720302685They literally put Fantasian on Steam, did anyone even buy it?
>>720288864Mentally ill retard.
>>720306361I would've bought it if it wasn't $50 for a PC port of a mediocre mobile game.
>>720291382P3 demake sold like shit and the p5 gacha is dead as shit.
>make the same game for 30 years>people stop buying itmuh winning formula
>>720289720we have zero evidence FFXVI sold much more than 4 million copies after all this time, and its only announcement was copies shipped. E33 meanwhile hasn't even been out a whole year and they likely only waited to announce sales until they could confirm funny numbers, as it probably broke even in the first two weeks
>>720306620What does Final Fantasy 16 have in common with Final Fantasy 6?
>>720295532Fantasian flopped retard.
>>720305656the only winning formulas they currently have are 2D-HD and 2/5ths of the XIV expacs being notably exceptional VNs
>>720283786>collector packs still spikingIt's so peak
>>720306752ask grok
>>720281180Their winning formula is making bad games for the lowest common denominator? Do they actually think their formula is the same as it was during the 5th gen?
>>720306837No I'm asking you because you're the fucking retard making the claim
>>720296069You retards really think SE is impressed by those shitty numbers? They want BG3 and Elden Ring numbers.
>>720306752They both have a 6 in the name, retard
>>720281180>abandon turn-based JRPGs, not to copy the rising popularity in Dark Souls or to lean into the success of their own Kingdom Hearts, but instead a muddy pseudo turn-based/pseudo-real time action game>everyone else continues to make turn-based JRPGs to huge acclaim and massive success, even indie companies>without any real ideas, panic and desperately announce a FF7 remake before they even knew how fucked of a task that was>take over a decade and 3 console generations to release it>"Why aren't we making money? We tried nothing and we're all out of ideas!"
>>720306960Square has literally made a statement about being impressed retard
>>720282696Looking back 13 has been the best FF in 20 years and that's sad. 15 and 16 are a fucking mess.
>>720302685LMAO Sakaguchifags still believe he never had a hand in Squaresoft getting bankrupt or the fact that after he made his own studio every single game he created was a massive failure except for one.
>>720306972So its the same game? Or you have no clue what you're talking about and are a drooling barely-limbic cunt?
>>720295532Amano contributed nothing beyond a logo to the most successful games in the franchise, and Sakaguchi barely did work on any of them besides writing IXalso>not mentioning Ito, when he designed every remotely interesting system in the franchise
>>720281180it's a soulless husk corp that just owns ips now
>>720289247It is important to remember that Squaresoft IS NOT Square Enix.
>>720307076You asked if they had anything in common, and I pointed out the glaringly obvious. Cope.
>>720307184This. Might as well accept the hostile takeover at this point, maybe give the IPs to someone who isn't retarded.
>>720307123>i'll just shit on amano and sakaguichi so I can prop up Ito
>>720284445damn a transgender department, "it was necessary" how fucking big were they planning to make them? They're pretty big already
>>720281180Corporate level decisions do not make good video games, good video games are almost always made when the suits aren't paying attention. The second a c-suite retard touches something it becomes garbage.
>>720284447>They can't innovate, they copy trends 10 years behind the trendThat's because Square is infamous for development hell, when Versus XIII (later XV) took 10 years to make, what do you expect?
Keeping "Square" in the name was a genius move on their part. 25 years later and retards STILL think Squaresoft and Square Enix are the same company
>>720306436You spend hours every day posting like this, but nice projection
>>720281180they really thought they had a winning formula doing literally anything after their last success (ff14 realm reborn)??? the president took over 10 years to find this out? where was he?
>>720293383KH is one of the biggest money makers in their history
>>720307575ff14 reborn sold because it was an ERP simulator. They can't really do that with single player games
>>720306830>2D-HDThat is part of their new thing. Mixture of that and triple A in-house output where they have more control over the quality. No more AA.The old 'winning strategy' was named as the reliance of the same IPs and devs in control, outsourcing a lot of games and chasing trends. Changing that part will take time, that's why they set it out as a 3 year plan.On paper it sounds good. Whether that really results in anything, I have my doubts.
>>720307226I don't have to cope that you're a retarded nigger because it is apparent
>>720281180Not if the retards in charge of FFXIV are still around. Their cancer spread to the FFT remaster and FF16 was proof that they got lucky with XIV. To save face all of them must be executed.
>>720307336Yes, because they did fuck all for the actual games you dumbass
What were they thinking with 16? Make one open world game then make one extremely linear with DMC combat but watered down and easy as fuck because JRPG are not used to action games... Nobody thought at that point "is it worth it to make it an action game if we're making it bad on purpose?"
>>720307826I like DMC, but FF16 had faggots kissing and put a little boy in a dress. Won't ever play it.
>>720284712Rebirth is just Remake with some tiny Ubisoft open areas sprinkled in between, and without anything happening in the story.
>>720307826literally mixing oil and water, getting the ARR/HW leads to design a game and just have a clown car of combat designers without them ever actually talking to each other fill in the parts that weren't just copy pasted design/implementation from XIV but with more money thrown at it
>>72030757510 years for square is like one game release
>>720307575Their new CEO came on board in 2023, iirc.
>>720307575Pretty sure Nier Automata was the biggest success in the last ten years, and exactly why they were pushing so much for action instead of actually asking themselves why it managed to do so well
>>720308273The RPG elements were the worst part of Nier Automata. You could be skillful, but an enemy is higher level by a lot so you don't do any damage. Feels shitty.
>>720308395I thought Nier Automata had shit and clunky gameplay, what people liked was the story and the ass.
>>720281180save the companyrelease it
>>720281180as far as final fantasy goes the only thing they did right was 11.14 has been going down the drain, DT was absolute shit show + they fucking refuse to rework classes and make them unique and fun, instead classes are homogenized to play the exact same because they cant add complexity or else it would lead to friction between players and we cant have that because everyone that plays the game is mentally 10, also 2min meta shit, and every job has to be balanced around endgame content and they refuse to do anything about it, been ongoing for 5 years or something.Limited jobs, what a fucking pile of dogshit just add the jobs normally.I didn't really like 15's nor 16's combat but apparently it was better than 16 (hearsay).Other games been alright, DQ + kingdom hearts + octopath, there is also saga and ff remakes but its kinda weird to count on remakes to be the banking cash cow, there is a lot going for squenix just not FF.
>>720307692It is, at the very least, not immediately and obviously idiotic. Which puts it ahead of the SQuenix that went for NFTs, Forespoken. FF16's gay weak action combat, and wuk.>>720307779It's seppuku if it's japanese.
>>720307575Japanese companies are very slow to change anon.>>720284445Identifying WHO these people are to spot their work on games, is a good idea. Especially when they trie to jump ship after they fail.
>>720307575Mind you some jaos still use fucking floppy discs and they a nft game fucking last year after NFTs died like 3 years ago. Japs are really fucking slow
>>720281180Nope xiv is still riddled with cheaters, let it burn
>>720289635That's the worst part about american "culture." People have been memed into believing wealth=intelligence when it's rarely the case, if not the inverse these days. Imagine going through private school and an exclusive private university and still being a retarded child your whole life
>>720308868>they fucking refuse to rework classesWhen you see how little actual content the patches are, the time it takes for each patch, and how it seems like they don't have time to spare (like no normal FT), it's a pipe dream to actually rework jobs to make them unique, and it's unlikely they'll break out of the 2mn burst meta since they rely on that to design their fights.But they'll continue to pump out things that are barely touched by a portion of the playerbase, don't worry about it.
>make FF game>waste budget on too many cutscenesThey need to take lessons from Capcom on gameplay and cutscene balance, how to not bloat game with cutscenes. There shouldn't be 5 cutscenes for each 15 mins of gameplay
>>720284149>its a mobilegame looking thing that never even got localisedAnon, it's a video game version of a family boardgame about Japanese trivia. Not Jawpanese trivia like samurai and ninja. We're talking "Mukashi mukashi arutokoro, your obaasan used to make this sort of cake out of leftovers and wild berries. What is it called?"Look at >pic related. Here's your localisation:>276 days out of the whole year, this place sometimes doesn't get even 1 milimeter of rainfall. What's the name of Japan's least rainy prefecture famouse for its peaches? >Okayama Prefecture>Saitama Prefecture>Kagoshima Prefecture>Shizuoka PrefectureLocalising it would be like localising a game show to the tune of "I Love Latvia!" for an international audience.People who can answer even 10% of those questions already speak Japanese.
>>720281785FF7R is the best action RPG ever released since KH2
>>720281180Winning formular? What winning formular?
>>720307546You spend every day of your life seething at Final Fantasy while your dogshit company will always be worth less.
>>720310625Retards think just making 4 niggas in a row will just fix everything when they have been making 4 niggas in the row games
>>720310625this. they already went literally every direction.
>>720290101Your post is the embodiment of this. I’m pretty tired of pretending the story is the only thing that matters. To me FFXIV became an utter pile of dogshit the moment shadowbringers hit just because of the gameplay changes and trusts.
>>720290101>>720310908You FF14 fags need to accept the only reason it was successful was because it was an MMO where people could socialize and nothing about story or anything else. People are just getting tired of the same social platform at this point like Facebook or any other old online place to socialize.
>>720310625Bleeding money to borderline bankruptcy only to miraculously get saved by a single title of course; the same business plan they've had for decades
>>720281180>puts all eggs in one basket>shocked it doesn't work foreverjapan is really fucking stupid sometimes.
>>720310625SHIT OUT FLOP AFTER FLOP AND WATCH A DWINDLING FANBOY APOLOGIST NUMBER BUY ITHOW COULD IT NOT WORK
>>720310636And what company is that, mister "not" schizophrenic?
Wuk Lamat will save us.
>>720281180RedditBirthFloppedBirthStillBirth
>>720311405This, retarded japs thought that by censoring, sanitizing and getting rid of everything that people enjoyed for decades about jap vidya would somehow appeal to a broader "modern audience" and make them profits is yet another proof japs are retards who don't even understand the initial appeal of their vidya in the first place.
>>720283473hahaha
>>720283578Power pro baseball. Momotaro. Winning 11/efootballYugiohBemani shit ala Beatmania, DDR, Dancerush Stardom, Dance a Round.Mahjong fight girlContra.>>720310395>We're talking "Mukashi mukashi arutokoro, your obaasan used to make this sort of cake out of leftovers and wild berries. What is it called?">KURI YOKAN!
>>720286662Hey, that reminds me. Round one has a power pro redemption game with actual physical baseballs. A right handed and left handed batter as well. And they localized it.
>>720311123You couldn’t be more wrong because there are much better things you can use to socialize if all the average normalfag cares about is dressing up an avatar all pretty to chat with
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/iepEyM93UalzqqXvg3qxZA/
>>720312267>if all the average normalfag caresBut normalfags don't care at all about this. FF14 is the perfect platform for trannies, furfags, and losers to larp with each other., which is literally why it got popular. And the trannies, furfags, and the losers are just getting tired of FF14 as a social platform like normalfags got tired for facebook and moved to instagram/tiktok/wherever
>>720281180Just end the franchise name. Zoomers believe you have to play all of the games and don't understand that each game is its own contained storyline. That's the solution. Stop calling the games Final Fantasy with a number after it.
>>720281180>bring back sakaguchi from retirement>winthis is your winning strategy bro
>>720281180Restructuring implies there's a plan going forward.Iwata's famous hail mary had Nintendo restructure all their separate console and handheld teams into the distinct, focused EPD as work began on NX/later called the Switch, and that's paid off dividends a decade later with the incredible sales of the Switch and the Switch 2 comfortably breaking sales records in the months its been ont he market.Alternatively you can end up with shit like Kojima or Inafune torching Konami or Capcom's development structures on the way out, or recently Bungie being bought by Sony, blowing up a bunch of random projects by other Sony studios like TLOU2's multiplayer, and then killing themselves over a plagiarism charge.They've thrown bodies at Final Fantasy for 20 years with nothing to show for it besides burnishing its 90s golden age by showing how far they've fallen since. Restructuring is a corporate failson answer to the problems facing a fundamentally creative industry. You're not gonna "MBB consultant" your way out of a problem that needs real game designers and project managers in the trenches to solve.
>>720312697>hire Amy Hennig, Michael Ancel, David Cage, and Cliff Bleszinski>make Amy Hennig uberdirector>rake in the dough
>>720312320He's not wrong.
>>720281180Maybe they shouldn't have bet the farm and 10 years of development time on a subversive expectations reboot disguised as a remake of one of the most beloved RPGs of all time released across 3 parts. They lost half their install base from game 1 to game 2, and the drop from game 2 to game 3 is going to be even worse. Sequels are supposed to make more money, not less.
>>720281180Restructure these nuts lmao
>>720315929Saved
>>720315929
>Previous strategy at Square-Enix was to create more AA games>Announce a new Valkyrie game>Holy shit>Its Valkyrie Elysium not even the real deal...>ps Valkyrie Elysium is a solid 6/10 game, its just not the game we wanted which is Hrists story.>Octopath Traveller sold like hotcakes>The sequel is basically shadow dropped with no marketing whatsoever>Wait, what the fuck why didn't it sell as good?Square-Enix fucks up no matter what they do
>>720315929kek
>>720281180No, the company is fucking dead. I hope they go bankrupt and FF7 Afterbirth 2 doesn't get made. Sell the IP to atari or some shit and let them make $5 indie 4 niggers in a row shit.
>>720281180The winning move? Fire the ethics department. Bring back Tifa's real Tifas in part 3.
>>720306752Nothing, and that is Final Fantasy's one big weakness. Nobody knows what it stands for anymore.
>>720282565>63. Sega>88. CapcomYou can disregard everything in that retarded article.
>>720306984They literally tried that with Stranger of Paradise. It flopped even though it was good.
>>720281180they're getting bought by snoys aren't they
>>720281180This CEO is just as bad, fuck him for cutting off AA projects
>>720317676It was a soulslike. By definition, it couldn't be good.
>>720284578Doesn't matter if XV sold a lot, because the time it took between XIII & XV coming out was 7 years, when that used to mean 5-6 mainline FF entries in the golden era. Granted, XIV coming out as an MMO and absolutely bombing fucked the company's release trajectory as a whole.
>>720317713Sony can't afford shit after the complete botch job that was their GaaS push with 12 games, of which only one ever got released, and then shut down a week later.
>>720318881Issue is they did far, far too many of them, most of them bombing. Automata is an outlier.
No. SqEnix has no talent anymore and has grown too big for its own good
>not reinvesting into their flagship money-maker, FFXIV>still holding onto DEI policies and censorship>Can clearly embrace change when it pertains to gameplay, but cannot mold both the old and the new in exciting ways like Atlus or other developers can when it comes to turn-based combat and the like. Games like FFXVI could have soared to new heights if they had just tempered Yoshi P's autism and had given us actual fucking PARTY MEMBERS. And speaking of FFXVI....>They keep making shitty endings to their flagship series. Ambiguous endings suck ass. Stop doing it. It never works. You are not David Lynch, Square-Enix. And yes, I can still say that with a straight face after FF7 released, because I hated the ending to that game way back in 97 when it originally released, and I still hate it to this day. It has Fantasy in the title, for fuck's sake. I do not play Final Fantasy games for this garbage. >the false dichotomy between turn-based and a more action-oriented approach is a red herring. Both Square-Enix and the fans at large would be wise to shut the fuck up about it, if the former even cared about it to begin with. You can have both while still retaining the essence of Final Fantasy. The problem is that Square-Enix has yet to achieve that, because they're retarded (see FFXVI, again). >whole fiasco with Eidos was just insane, and it proves that Square-Enix does not know what they're doing when it comes to diversifying their line up. Hell, they don't even know what they're doing when it comes to JRPGs anymore. >back in the 90s, Squaresoft had more than just Final Fantasy. But now, Square-Enix can't even manage one series, let alone multiple.
>>720281180No, and they deserve it
>>720318881>fuck him for cutting off AA projectsThey seem to be shitting out a lot of HD2D games of late at near full price.
>>720282198Shareholders have too much influence, I agree
>>720321451Sony is a Banking empire, they are. ore a Bank then a seller of walkmans, how can a Bank fail
>>720322225Why can't every developer just be privately owned, or at least have majority stake be privately owned? Basically, why can't every developer just be like Larian?
>>720313759>David Cagefuck off, not him. >Cliff BlowsoffkeyNot him either
>>720313217Basically, like taking a rocket launcher to a fly infestation?
>>720310491I don't like repetition and there's not enough R in the RPG
>>720281180maybe they should stop trying to make interactive movies and go back to stuff people actually like to play like TURN-BASED FF.
>>720322456Cliffy B was the anchor that kept Tim Sweeney from being too much of a dipshit. UT and Gears of War were heavily influenced by his design philosophy.David Cage is just a mad narrative genius. With Nomura, Hennig, and Ancel on board; it's like Damn Yankees if they didn't suck.
>>720310491First one was alright (except for the censorship and Hojo's lab). Afterbirth just doubled down on all the problems with the first remake with even more censorship. Oh, and the side quests were somehow even more tedious and time-consuming (and condescending). At least in the first game, you didn't have to travel halfway across the continent to complete them. Now, you have the added bonus of doing Ubisoft towers while checking off pointless marks off the map while completing side objectives while you finish other side objectives, so you can finish side quests while you're side-questing!
>>720286256I'm wondering how that will affect KH4 since the mobile game WAS going to be important for the story.
>>720322589I'm sorry, but as novel as Heavy Rain was, I doubt I'll never be able to replay it knowing that he was probably one of the few guys directly or indirectly responsible for trooning out that actress. >starring in a game so awful that you decide to lop off your tits
>>720322819Probably more delay to incorporate those elements. At this point I expect 7R3 to be the earliest big budget title to come out of SQEX in the coming 2 years.
>>720321846>And yes, I can still say that with a straight face after FF7 released, because I hated the ending to that game way back in 97 when it originally released, and I still hate it to this day. It has Fantasy in the title, for fuck's sake. I do not play Final Fantasy games for this garbage.Really, huh, I liked the ending as a kid, the grey, world damaging husk that was Midgar, now covered in natural green, also showing that Nanaki was able to continue his species? I saw it as a good end.
>>720289390>Crapcom that far downIt's easily explained.Nintendo is Nintendo, on top of that they also sell hardware.Konami get most of its revenue from the card game and gambling, Sega does the same but also has the publishing aspect on top, further boosting sales.Squeenix is entirely carried by FF14 printing money, without it they would have gone under a long time ago.Capcom is the only "pure" video game developer there, they do no publishing, they just make and sell their own games.Hope this helps!
SE execs are full retard and never care about anything, and that on top of egocentric ass directors.Just read monolith soft interviews.
>FF7 remake is your final trump card>decide to play it>but instead of giving everyone the 1:1 remake they wanted you decide to do retarded time jannies shit to it.This is their own fault.
>>720323519Also>split into multiple partsCool, I'll just wait to play the whole thing, spoilers be dammed.
>>720319392>le contrarian zoomerFuck off back to roblox kid.
>>720323519You think you want to play the same fucking game until you actually play it and remember how dogshit gameplay was back then.Look at MGS Delta, or even more recently Demon's souls, how braindead easy these games are.Remakes should remake the game, you want the same game with prettier graphics? That's what remasters are for.
what about square enix commands the contempt and ire of some of /v/'s most mentally ill spammers
>>720323353Crapcom publishes shit made by westerners all the fucking time.
>>720323778Multiple things.>You can't like more than one game. If you like X, Y is shit and needs to die or vice versa.>Square was a juggernaut for decades. Other companies put out RPGs that were overshadowed by Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts. A lot of these guys feel like their favorite Brand X RPG would have dominated if not for that, and the idea that anyone they talks to goes "Huh? Is that like Final Fantasy?" enrages them further.>Some of them are just poor and don't play games. They look at something other people enjoy and want to shit on it so they can feel like being poor is a blessing.It's all based on retardation, though. Anyone who constantly shits up threads about a game is doing so out of jealousy. There's no logic to doing it otherwise.The catalog is full of threads for games I give no fucks about, but I don't go in the threads and post "LOL IT SUXZ UR CUMPNEE IZ DYEEN." I'd rather play games I like and talk about those, or shitpost memes.
>>720324180it's kinda weird how many lunatics on 4chan just blend in with eachother, i can think of four or five "thread schizos" on /a/ that post virtually identically to one another but by all accounts they actually are separate people
>>720307054You don't understand Japanese devs. They produce their best work when they synergize with their teams. Look at every high profile dev who has left their company and started their own shit for proof. There are exceptions, of course. Sakaguchi, during Square, was a great producer and played his role well minus some missteps but couldn't finesse into a new role like every other dev.
>>720281785Id say since vita I liked woff
>>720324180>You can't like more than one game. If you like X, Y is shit and needs to die or vice versa.Yeah what is up with this? It's fucking retarded but happens frequently here.
>>720323778what do you mean? I just thought XVI was kinda mid.why do all these threads have a guy pretending anyone who doesn't love SEs current output are mentally ill schizos? just sounds like projection
>>720281180no. this guy is a cuck who plays a healer while his wife tanks in ffxiv.
>>720324808Newfags like saying "NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER," and getting in conflicts all the time gives them mental justification to do that. I'm a Green Bay Packers fan who's been to games in Chicago, and Bears fans aren't that rabid.
Just make a turn-based FF. It's not that fucking hard Squeernix.Nobody wants your half-assed action games.Also, stop killing your MMO by having them work on other games for whatever reason.
>>720304985I can't believe this thread is still alive. Also I don't know fuck all that happened with Blue Protocol besides that it didn't instantly print money like they expected. Their entire video game division is basically separate teams that don't talk and half the shit one team finds out from another is either because someone got drunk or a shareholder meeting happened.
>>720284379the "naka didn't let the xtreme devs use the nights engine" meme is a completely nonsensical myth and the biggest irony is that dumbest fucking retard here is you for falling for it
>>720325302>keeps shilling the Chinese gameWon't ever play, Chang.
>>720325408?
>>720325446ignore the sperg
>>720325302pretty much
>>720281180Go back to single player RPGs. Octopath 0 will most likely rake in a sizable amount of revenue. They can also make more Classic style FF and SaGa games too.They will most likely remake Romancing SaGa 3 in the same vein as RS2 Revenge of the Seven.
>>720281180Yeah coz it worked out so well for Square Co LTD lol
>>720281180>our winning formula is no longer effectiveHere's the thing though, Their winning formula IS still effective - just make fucking JRPGs.Stop making these weird cinematic action games that are aimed at some imaginary "game of thrones audience" that doesn't even exist.
Make TWEWY 3 before you die please.
I just finished replaying Final Fantasy VI yesterday and I can confidently say Square hasn't followed their winning formula for decades now, at least not when it comes to FF. If they still created as good games, they'd sell. But they don't. FF died with FFX-2.I can't blame them, because making amazing games is not easy and in 20+ years the original talent has been replaced. It takes luck to put together a studio capable of creating amazing games.
>>720287287If you think FF14 is or ever was a good game, you are part of the problem and you have absolutely nothing of value to say about video games.
>>720281180They need to pump out turn-based FF games again, and not make them extravagant LE CINEMATIC EXPENSIVE ONE TRILLION DOLLAR GRAFIX games. They recently met up with the E33 devs so hopefully the frenchman can teach the fax machine japanese company man to make a proper FF game again. The frenchies proved you don't need one gorillion dollars and 9 years of dev time like square loves to do with every big title they got. But who am I kidding, yeah? Japanese corporate men don't LEARN anything, it's not part of their culture to do the correct thing so they will keep going downhill and eventually sell SE to some random chinese people.
>>720324873Barry poisoned that well for a pretty long time, is why.
>>720281785mostly this. hopefully they go bankrupt in 5 years since they dont want to give what customers want.
Japanese CEOs will literally sabotage the whole company to get their own pet project on the forefront.
>>720281180SquareEnix have to fire all the Woke/DEI meta-department inside their lines and start hire people that read valid books and keep their foot down earth. People that touch grass. Only in that way they can create valuable stories for their games. And have to learn what's the best game mechanics to add to their products, without discarding the old solutions (like turn-based combat, if the game needs that to be good).
>>720284445Do you see that? It have to be eliminated. No more Woke/DEI crapfest. They have to put all the nails they need on the Woke coffin, declare it as a failure business plan and move on, returning to the past. Even calling back Hironobu Sakaguchi and giving him full power would be a nice idea. After they fired him, FF turned into shit.
>>720281180what the fuck is this nigga talking about some frenchies used the same formula with E33 and it was a massive fucking success
>>720328673You say that like they should take a knee and listen to some French hipsters that made a pretentious hollywood production out of a gameplay concept they have no mastery of whatsoever.
>>720281180I look at that image, it looks like the Square-Enix president is doing the Michael Jackson lean.
>>720310625The same formula every other successful game publisher has: making money off of a dying culture until the only culture left is consumption of product.
>>720281180"Our winning formula is no longer effective"It took them 20 years after it became a problem to realize this. This is the company that was at its peak in the 90's when they were shitting out a new Final Fantasy game every 18 months. Then they decided to become scope creep: the company, the only people in fucking Japan that doesn't have any concept of what lean is. I remember news stories about how Nomura saw Les Mis and then walked into Squeenix HQ the next day demanding to be able to make Final Fantasy XV into a musical despite the game being five years behind schedule and tens of millions over budget. If Chris Roberts didn't exist, there'd be nobody on the fucking planet who could compete with the sheer scope creep Squeenix shoves into every single product, only to cut 75% of the game out at the 11th hour because they actually have to release a product after 5+ years.
>>720307990So same as those parts in the original? The only times the plot really progresses in the original are Midgar and after Aerith’s death
>>720329504>what the fuck is this nigga talking aboutTheir overall business strategy the past decade, nothing to do with FF’s battle mechanics.
So sick of these fucks, stop making subversive bullshit and I'll buy your games again. It's that simple. They are willingly burning money. Dumbasses.
>>720281180>Make ff13>It sells>some people still complain>"I guess we better completely abandon any turn based final fantasy forever">starts losing money>"Why are we losing money???"Bunch of retards.
>>720281180We all know why they are failing and they will never admit it
>>720281180yes but they have to fire a lot of people, they're infested with parasites that actively make their games worse
>>720311123>any other old online place to socializeroblox is over 15 years old and the most popular platform today, beating steam in concurrent users
>>720310395Which is why it should be localized for the north American audience as John Henrys railway adventure with bonus japan mode
>>720281180You mean porting to Transbox isn't working???? Oh no!!!!!!
>>720284447>YOU MAKE DOGSHIT GAMESRomancing SaGa 2 remake was really good.
>>720285450>>720291264>I did, and while I thought it as fine, the sequel is superior in every way that if I get the urge to replay it, I'll skip OT1 entirelyi dont know why everyone keeps saying this. It has worse classes, worse overall pacing, you're still locked to your primary choice of character until you beat their story, and the primary problem of disconnected stories. Just because they added 5 fluff scenes connecting one or two of the chars to each other does not fix the primary problems of octo 1. Most stories are better, though, but that's not enough to make octo 2 a good game.
Nomuras boyfriend Gackt will save part3, trust the plan
grew up as a vidya game enthusiast just to see my favorite studios become shit and die out, where's my state assisted suicide? i want out of this ride
>>720332817A lot of games today sell because of studio rep. Rockstar, CDPR, FromSoft, more recently Team Cherry. They announce something and you know beforehand the level of quality you can expectSquare Enix doesn't have that because they publish and develop anything from dogshit to good gamesWhen Dark Souls got big they made 2 sequels in 5 years. When Nier got big they put the IP in the fridge and made a gacha that already died
>>720281180This is old news and the answer was too double down on failure.
>>720306984>release ff7 remake>get mogged by baldur's gate 3>release ff7 rebirth>get mogged by expedition 33so fucking embarassing. what do you think is going to trounce final fantasy 7 afterbirth? personally, i think a spin off, turn based zelda game mogging it would be the funniest thing in the world.
>>720329504No they didnt. they actually had hot women and feet in their game unlike woke fantasy
>>720281785I would disagree. KH has always been good and steady, FFXV still did extremely well. But I will say ever since 2019 everything went more and more downhill.
>>720283979It was well known Rebirth was worked on by the Chinese and Indians for most of the game and it's obvious all they know is Ubisoft Open World design or Souls.
>>720281180Get rid of Kate
>>720328673Doesn't atlus already prove that? Their games are selling better than FF on a shoestring budget with ps2 graphics in the current year.
>>720281180Why did you let DT happen then
>>720281180No. The problem with the company is their vision and design philosophy and having retards at the helm. Them thinking they've had a winning formula that is only now failing shows that they're still a bunch of fucking retards.Restructuring won't change the company philosophy and thinking. It just moves people and projects around.So the same shit will keep happening.
>>720281180absolutely, just fire every director other than Asano and put him in charge of all game development decisions.
>>720289247Square Enix is the Simpsons of video game companies
>>720282815Yu-gi-oh prints money for them. I am genuinely surprised they're not higher up, pachinko be damned.>>720286907These retards think because their non-FF games that follow this formula aren't selling (besides DQ and Octopath), that they can't sell FF using this formula. Which they haven't even attempted for a mainline FF in almost a quarter century now.
>>720282696FFXI killed the franchise and I’m tired of pretending it didn’t. The series was putting out bangers every 18 months from 4-10. Then they got high on their own farts, made that dumb fuck movie, then bet the farm on an MMORPG when most people still had dial up, and attached that anchor to their flagship series. Then instead of working on the next single player installment in parallel, they waited like 4 years and put out a single player MMORPG.Then they went with XIII.FFXI should have been called FF online or something else entirely, and they should have stuck to their numbered series being a mix of fantasy and scifi. They did this to themselves.
>>720323519I honestly think the time jannies were there to build hype. Like you defeat fate, so maybe Aerith doesn't die?But they kill her anyway lol
>>720284892If Disney can’t make a decent Star Wars, the easiest shit ever, SEC can’t make a decent FF anymore.
>>720281180Square should just focus on making A-tier games instead of AAA. Their A-tier teams - Octopath for example -- sell well for how much they invest.
>>720340962FFXI made them absurd amounts of money anon. I know you hate that they dedicated so much time and resources that could have gone into like 12 singleplayer bangers at this point, but they will never ever see it that way.
>>720341915The year or so timespan within Live-a-Live remake coming out they released a boatload of A-games. I guarantee you not a single one hit Square's ridiculous expectations.It's a real shame about Harvestella, that game was dope as fuck.
>>720341993I belive you as it sounds very Enix like, but do you have a singular source saying it didnd't met sales expecations? All I could find is it hit over 500k.
>>720342160Source:_________my ass______
>>720342240Fair enough, although it looks like DQ3 did well:https://www.pcgamer.com/games/hell-has-frozen-over-pigs-are-flying-and-a-square-enix-game-has-actually-managed-to-exceed-the-publishers-ludicrous-sales-expectations/
>>720286981are you retarded people talk about 15 more than 12 and 13 combined ever got talked aboutjust on like youtube and tiktok alone xv gets the most engagement other than new FF7R stuff postedthere's more posts for just noctis on tiktok than there is for ff12, 13 and 16 combinedthat's not even going into fanart and fanfic and other fan made stuffpeople literally bought a fucking piece of the moon and named it after ffxvthis random ass ffxv moveset videos uploaded by this guy last year has more views than the ff16 moved video uploaded by the same guy back when ff16 launched, and that's the mistake viewed ff16 moveset video on all of YouTube yet multiple xv moveset vids uploaded after 16s ones did utterly mogged 16nobody ever fucking talks about 12 or 13
>>72030704115 is the best ff13 is shit
>>720281180What I would suggest to Squeenix is to promote their big tittied intern as the next CEO webm related.
>>720341915At the same time if they make more, will people actually want to buy them? I don't myself buying a new octopath or similar game every year.
>>720319652In between FF13 and FF15 FF13-2 released, a AAA FF with budget on par with X-2 and had many X-2 staff and TriAceFF type0 released, a AAA FF with a budget on par with the PS1 FF and had many FF10 and FF8 and FF7 staffDissidia and Dissidia 012 releases, high budget arena fighters with many core FF staff with overlap with Type0 and CCFF14, a AAA MMO FF which was made by FF12 staffFF14 ARR, a AAA reboot of the MMO, again by FF12 staffFF13 LR, a AAA FF with budget on par with X-2 by X-2 staffPlus KHBBS and DDD which were the larger budget KH spinoffsWhile kh2 staff, ff7, ff8 and ff10 staff were on FFXVThe only reason there was a perceived quicker turn around of FF before was because there was less side games, no KH and no direct sequeldAlso ff10 was a rebranded new ip turned into a ff, it wasn't even gonna be a ffff11 originally wasn't mainline but only became one became Sakaguchi forced them toff9 originally was a gaiden title made in hawaiiall 3 of those non mainline games got rebranded as ff9, 10 and 11in ff15s case it was always conceived as "this could have been ff13"same with type0that's why they were called versus xiii and agito xiiiif ff10 released as seventeen and ff9 released as ff gaiden and ff11 released as its not mainline mmo incarnation then the next slated mainline ff would've been ff12 which would've been ff9 instead and then 13 wouldve been ff10 and versus/xv would've been versus x/ ff11and ff14 mmo wouldn't be mainline either due to 11 not having released as one, so type0 would've been branded as ff12, and became 14 never existed yoshitpiss never took over and so his ff16 never would've existed a complete difference ff13 would've existed, 14 would've been single player and so on
>>720328673e33 took 5 years to make and had given funding it wasn't low budget at all
Just kill the woke elements within your company and stop listening to retards that tell you that certain genres are dead.
>>720342759MR ADVERTISER GET DOWN
>>720338492I’ll admit I like Remake and Rebirth, but funnily enough I did have a dream the other night of Nintendo announcing the release of a turn-based Zelda on the same day as Remake Part 3 and Elder Scrolls 6: Morrowind 2
>>720343892>turn-based Zelda on the same day as Remake Part 3 and Elder Scrolls 6: Morrowind 2One hell of a dream this must have been.
>>720281785>you can't "restructure" soul back into it.This is the truth of it. Square can still make money by churning out slop. But they cannot be great again until the great men inside the company are in charge; the creators with concrete vision of what a good game is like. And I don't think they have any left.
>>720323746Changing the battle system doesn't mean you have to change the story.
>>720325302>"just make a turn based FF">posts picture of parry slopwhat did xhe mean by this?
>>720281180What winning formula? The formula they gave up on not one but two decades ago? That's when they were winning.
>>720340909In all of Konami's financial reports, it clearly shows that their video game earnings are ten times greater than their pachinko and arcade games combined. Quarter after quarter, year after year. It's out there in public. But non-Japs don't want to hear it.
>>720345904it's funny that Squaresoft literally pioneered it with Mario RPG.
Literally just give Nomura a tard wrangler and the problem will be solved.
Reminder:1. 122. 73. Tactics4. 85. 166. SoPThe best Final Fantasy games. The true spirit of FF is embodied here. Not 10, not 13, something 15 lost with the retool.
>>720348041Why does this look familiar?
Wait so you're telling me people forget about your franchise when you fail to put out a good original game for two decades?Nah must be muh zoomer bogeymans fault.
>>720348889Those are no longer paying the bills while having failed to truly tap into the much more important mobile market and remake/rebirth combined have sold less than IX a game from twenty five years ago
>>720282376Them dumbing down the combat ruined it.
>>720281180>Winning formulaWhat winning formula? Every FF game since XII has abandoned elements from the actual classic winning formula, then Atlus, Vanillaware, RGG studio, their own second party studios, indies and now some studio made of ex-Ubisoft employees has done way better turn based JRPGs.
