Never thought about it that way...
>>720282883>not the real Tom WilsonOpinion discarded.
>>720282883Well, it might have been true, had Anthem not fucking cratered.
>>720286197And Dragon age.
>>720282883>a new IP for a propaganda studioyeah right, they can only contaminate
>>720282883Evil can only corrupt and destroy, never create. Fire everyone and go tabula rasa.
bioware haven't made a good game in 20 years
>>720286834Even had Dragon Age been a success, EA isn't gonna get behind Bioware making another new IP, after Anthem.>>720287091Even if they did, what is the actual hook for the audience? >From publisher EA>And the studio that gave you Dragon Age 2, Mass Effect 3, Dragon Age: Inquisition, Mass Effect: Andromeda, Anthem and Dragon Age: Veilguard>A new IP that is culturally compromisedYou might as well burn the money you were going to spend, or bring back LJN to make a new video game. At least with LJN the meme potential would generate some interest.
>>720287278Since Jade Empire? Nah, ME2 is a goat contender, and shaped video games for years to come. That's 15 years ago. Well, almost 16.
>>720287739>ME2 is a goat contendernoI won't elaborate
>>720282883>Everyone absolutely adores Mass EffectModern journalism man, fuck Mass Effect.
>>720287810It doesn't matter if you consider it so or not, but it is. ME2 was a very influential game, with a large staying power. Arguably, the most popular game in the franchise, too.
There was an article I read a few years ago about why Anthem was as shit as it was, and it basically boiled down to BioWare expecting the game to magically come together on its own at the last minute, even though they had a bunch of barely functional game systems that weren't interconnected in any meaningful way. Does anyone know what I'm talking about?
>>720282883I wholeheartedly agree, but entirely because a new Mass Effect is 100% guaranteed to bring back Shepard's crew and I don't want nuBioware to horribly fuck them up beyond recognition.
>>720288073Yeah, pretty sure Schreier wrote that one.
>>720282883AAA companies are cruise ships or aircraft carriers. The only decision that has an immediate affect is the cancellation of a project. Anything else is going to take YEARS to bear any fruit. You have senior designers who have worked at a AAA company for a decade without every shipping a game. They worked on a dozen projects every day, created assets, wrote narratives, characters, designers but every single game they worked on was cancelled, revamped or the team was shut down and the designers moved to other projects. Like take Hudsons Human Head whatever studio for example. He opened that studio shortly after leaving bioware, they worked on a game for YEARS but then it fell apart and the company was shut down without shipping ANYTHING. All that work, all that money, all that time got flushed down the drain.
>>720288094I think that's happening regardless. Like at some point EA is going to try another hand at it, in maybe 10 years after this one, if it fails. Either through some other EA studio, like Motive, or they "make" one out of employees wherever, and call it N7 Studios. EA will not let Mass Effect rest, because they can sell it, but it needs fixing, whereas Dragon Age is unsalvageable, and also EA doesn't like it. You gotta pick your poison. Would you rather Bioware make a mid attempt at it, or would you rather some other studio remakes ME1 in another 10 years after that, recast everyone, and just kill all the nostalgia factor, while also not attracting anyone new? The franchise has a chance, this chance, and then it's the morgue table from there.
>>720288189Hudson and anyone working for him, can eat my ass.
>>720288316I do not care about EA's business or ME franchise going on
>>720288445Then what are you doing here?
>>720288479I don't know
>>720282883>Bioware must abandon Mass Effect to make its next best game.>Bioware has made nothing but the same shit since day one.>The only thing keeping the studio open was Mass Effect.Bro Bioware was never fucking good.
>>720288537I liked BG2 and DAO.
>>720288537Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, KotoR, Mass Effect, Dragon Age all were well received, successful titles, that influenced many games in the years to come. Bioware use to be the #1 RPG maker for a time, in the late 90s to end of 00s.
>>720287739Mass Effect 2 is a WEG with gameplay.
>>720288687>BIOWARE MADE THESE GAMES!>Games that was notoriously frustrating but its all you had at the time so you ate the plate filled with shit anyway.>Games so good that nobody plays them to this day unless its Mass Effect 2.Bioware, was never, good. You just had no choice when it came to the matter in what you played.
>>720288761worked for bg3 too
>>720288809>frustratingWhat? Not a single one of them was frustrating, the fuck are you talking about?
>>720288920'Modern' player.
>>720288761I wish it was a WEG. I might have seen what Jack's tattoos look like below the waist.>>720288809>>>Games that was notoriously frustrating but its all you had at the time so you ate the plate filled with shit anyway.>>Games so good that nobody plays them to this day unless its Mass Effect 2.People still play Baldur's Gate 1 & 2. Arguably, I do prefer Neverwinter Nights 2, over Neverwinter Nights, so you may have a point there. People still play KotoR, people still play ME1, people still play Dragon Age: Origins. Not talking about anything after that. Everything Bioware since DA2 has been shit. But people still play their old games.
>>720288920Maybe he's talking about the RTwP combat? I don't know.
>>720287686Mass Effect 3 and Inquisition are good, fucking retard.
>>720289158nice, simple and succinct
>>720289158Bait used to be believable.
>>720282883EA should just hurry the fuck up and kill the brand off entirely. Bioware's reputation is pure poison to anything they publish I genuinely doubt anyone but paid shills and retards touch their games anymore.Did some shareholder get spooked by the EA graveyard image and that's why they refuse to execute more of their studio brands?
>>720282883>"one of greatest sci-fi rpgs ever made"It makes me sick to my stomach that this is actually true, considering how bare bones mass effect is as an rpg. There's just nothing else that even comes close to it, and no one seems to eveb want to try.
>>720290109>no one seems to eveb want to tryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIQifuOTTe8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmJxSKn47EE
>>720291521>neither are outgreat counter argument to a series that started in 2007
>>720282883if only nintendo would think that way about mario, zelda, pokemon, and all other stuff they keep remaking since the 80s-90s
>>720291794I never said they are out. I said you are wrong. People try. And I'm positive at least for Owlcat one.
>>720291921>I never said they are out.
>>720292135You are a retard.
>>720292258And you make inconsequential claims.
>>720282883He's right. Mass Effect has too much straight white male baggage. We need to be better men and BioWare needs to abandon Mass Effect. It's holding the studio back from achieving true diversity.
>>720282883Bioware is done. All the talent of the past that made the games they are known for are gone.
>>720288008what did it influence?
>>720292885Fallout 4, Outer Worlds, Borderlands 3, the list goes on...
>>720293053>>Fallout 4, Outer Worlds, Borderlands 3A lot of action/shooter RPGs were influenced by ME2, true. Stuff like recruitment missions, loyalty missions, incorporating characters into storylines, the Suicide Mission, character interactions, romances etc. You could say that aspects of these things were often part of other games, or even previous Bioware games, but a lot of them weren't executed to the extent that ME2 incorporated them, executed them, or manage to garner the attention and praise of its community, as well as other dev teams.
>>720293443lol was me2 your first bioware game?
>>720293684Baldur's Gate 1, in 1998.What was yours?
>>720293753same, but I don't share your enthusiasm about me2 so I don't actually believe you
>>720293853Then this conversation has no room to go.
>>720293926so it seems
>>720288687>You know, 25-35 years ago we used to make good games>And it took little to no time to develop them>But for now as all the competent peoples left, we will make a shitty game every 7 years
>>720288761ME2's gameplay is worse than a lot of WEGs.
I really hope they take advantage of the Stanley Woo meme in the next game.Imagine fighting a a Volus crime boss conversation with Shepard>Oh, herro Commanderu Shepad.>Shame we meet before you have chirdren>Shepad rine end here
>>720294341That is true. Imagine this>be biotic Shepard>make biotic copy of your dick>have a biotic barrier over your dick that gets direct feedback from the bitch you're fucking with your biotic cock >double penetrate Miranda's asshole with your real cock, and biotic cockSo many wasted opportunities
>>720282883They kinda abandoned andromeda (gave it to a new team) and came out with anthem so
>>720288073"BioWare magic" Essentially they never knew what they were doing, but now everybody dedicated and good has left, or had their brain rotted out by politics, so now they just pump out shit.
>>720291521I said rpg you dumb nigger, not more marvel movie slop.
>>720282883>we all want to see>but perhaps>abandon altogetherWhat a slimeball
>>720288073That sounds like they were in alpha up until release
>>720302029That is basically what happened. Even though the game was in development for seven years, actual production on the video game part of the video game didn't actually start until like a year before it shipped. Which is insane for any studio, but was doubly fucking bonkers for BioWare because they had decided to use EA's in-house engine, which nobody on the team was familiar with.
>>720294341Name some. Most have the worst gameplay imaginable.
