FFXIV is losing so many players that Square is trying to get people to play FFXI insteadwew
>>720286710Final Fantasy MMOs will never be real Final FantasyThey LARP as main titles when in reality they're spin-off games
>>720286764Final Fantasy games after XII will never be real Final Fantasy.
>>720286828Also true
>>720286764are they not "real" FF games because they're online?
>>720286828XII is an Ivalice game, why are we including it?
>>720286764>Final Fantasy MMOs will never be real Final Fantasyfirst off, who tf asked?secondly, ffxi is the best ff game
>>720287774does FFXI have a butt slider for the cat girls?
>>720286710they should have just let you access both from 1 sub i would have tried it then
Unironically yes, it's no coincidence they've released a XI crossover raid in XIV. They're testing the waters to see if there is any demand.
>>720286710The devs refusing to stop wuk and refusing to add more rpg elements is really confusing
yoshitpiss grim
>>720286710How did they ruin XIV?t. not a knower.
>>720289380tried to please too many people, they should cut the dev time out of casual content (stuff like island sanctuary and cosmic exploration, what a waste) and spend it on making more actual fun battle content
>>720289380dawntrail aka 7.0 has the worst story of any game i've played in a long time. You have to help and incompetent fool become a leader of a land called Tural, and the villains are cartoonishly bad. The changes to the Jobs have not been good either, they've been neutered and dumbed down to let shitters play the game but at the same time they release content so difficult you're forced to join a discord server. There are alot of videos on youtube explaining the situation better than i ever could, so check those out
>>720289718>content so difficult you're forced to join a discord serverthe hardest content in the game is PF-able, you only need a discord for Forked Tower because you have to vet people and make sure you don't get people who will troll your run (prog liars, intentional griefers), FT itself is pretty easy
>>720286710Wait, theyre still charging a fee to play FFXI?
>>7202893803 big thingsCheapening out on content amount and release speedSimultaneously pandering to the most casual and most hardcore players while leaving the majority in the middle to rotAnd the big one is the story of the newest expansion, an important thing to keep in mind is story is far more important for XIV than other MMOs, it's totally mandatory with most content locked behind it and there's a lot of it. It's a truly painful story to have to experience because the character of wuk lamat gets so overbearing after a while, retards will tell you it's the new lead writers fault but the real issue is the director became a progressive, progressives have a thing against what they call white savior narratives so by going to a new land they can't have the protagonist be the big hero anymore, everything has to center around wuk, and said director doubled down on wuks character in interviews, they recognized the hate enough to give her a symbolic death in the newest major patch though
>>720286764Okay fag. Keep crying.
>>720289824well, yeahservers aren't free to maintainsqex was intending to shut the game down years ago but the players kept it alive and sqex just said "sure lets keep it running"
why aren't they just offering an option for a combo sub that would be a few bucks cheaper than subbing to both individually. i guess the backend is so fucked its just not worth it to bother anymore
>>720290560would people even play the 2 MMOs at the same time?
>>720292197considering how XIV is a game where you can log in -> do your weekly raids -> log out, and XI is a slow paced game with long term goals that can swallow your life, i think you could easily play both
>>720286764And yet the MMOs continue to set standards adopted by future games... curious...https://youtu.be/M0Jwsypbz10https://youtu.be/gCI_3KGlquM
>>720292774anon, that's just Soken being a little lazy
They had to open another server to deal with congestion in XI recently, it's growing again
>>720288151No, but Mithra have better asses
>>720286764Seems you upset the groomcord with that fact
>>720292960Pretty sure all the Eikons that have a prominent theme in XIV have some reference to them in their track, I know the backing track of Garuda's theme is the XIV motif.
>>720286710Posting Yugiri>>720286764I've played almost all the FF games, most likely more than you have. XIV is easily one of if not the very best.
>>720286710I'm surprised it lasted this long. Maybe many of the trannies playing it finally offed themselves.
>>720286710I mean it's been 10 years and gacha is a thing, they should just end it anyway
>>720286710I am NOT paying for an end of serviced MMOPrivate Servers exist
>>720286764FPBP TRUTH NUKE
>>720290138Excuse me I'm a casual and I've gotten fuck allUnless this is sweaty raidfag whining about Black Mage losing a skill in which case I don't care. Jobs can be stripped down to 1 button rotations and I still won't touch an Extreme.
>>720293342it's probably XIV refugees
The modern shit has reached a level where I just can't stand it any more. More than half of the people run around in these fucking t-shirts and most of the new mounts are absolute garbage. Why the fuck are they fucking the aesthetics over so hard with DT?
>>720293653what does gacha have to do with mmos?
>>720292197Who cares?Give XIV players the option to play XI with their sub and they'll happily spend more on XI expansions.It's free money on the table, I'm sure it'd make up for the 50 XI subs they'd love.
>>720293810>I still won't touch an Extremewouldn't VRChat or Second Life be more up your alley?
>>720294061There's overlapForever games that you log into every day to do daily tasksEver escalating power creep treadmill"Social" aspect (posting screenshots of your gacha pig on Discord and bragging about how she loves you)
>>720294179>daily taskssomething that should never be in an MMO, but sadly is in most (all?) modern ones
>>720289380It’s the best game of all time. Don’t listen to shills. I mean, have you seen the state of retail lately? Yikes! And remember the fruit bowls? The jailer? The accusations? Count us out. Unlike Blizzard, we respect women. We stand on the right side of history.
>>720286764XI is the best FF, single player or multiplayer. Sakaguchi himself insisted it be mainline and treated like mainline.It really does have the best RPG systems of the franchise, best job system, best story, best world, everything. People pass on it because of the "mmo" aspect but they are really missing out.Probably sour grapes about the sub fee.
>>720290560Anon, Yoshida is in charge of the entire online division and he doesn't want any of the other games to overshadow his baby ARRHe's the reason we never got DQX in the West despite Horii wanting it released. He was behind the lvl 99 changes to XI that most players hated, in order to try and force players to go to XIVIt's telling of their desperation that SE is finally forcing him to give XI some promotion
>exploiting my big, juicy, veiny, throbbing love for prishe
remember when ffxiv was good?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNe-ZNBHWWM&list=RDkNe-ZNBHWWM&start_radio=1
trying to play this game on linux should i settle for flatpak or the "just trust me bro" repositoryi just want to escape the botnet bros
>>720286710...What does this say? Genuinely? Discount on playtime? Jesus fuck jappos are behind so many localization filters they might as well use AI
>>720294543What is this schizobabble
>>720286710They do these often. The fact that have NEVER merged the subs means there's no reason to panic
>>720286764Nah, only 14 is tranny coomer garbage
>>720294843I'd love to hear this as well, I've been planning on 'upgrading' to windows 11 soon for the scant few games you can't play on linux on a separate drive and a return to FFXI w/ windower this time around was my plan.If I can somehow run this on Linux, that'd be a dream.
>>720286710>charging money for an old mmo when the current one is free to play
>>720294843the xivlauncher flatpak is how i played on linux
>>720286764No shit?
>>720295231You charge money for good shitYou have to give away garbage for free (and still lose players lel)
>>720294357You are overselling it. This hype around XI every since XIV started to crash and burn is fairly annoying and I am not even saying that because I lived XI before it was cool to like it. XI has a lot of issues. If you look at it just for the story then most of it is absolutely lackluster. Having to track 1 hour through some remote ass location, just to get a single, unvoiced cutscene that is one person talking at the player is just not satisfying. Your character is -rhapsodies and a little of wings not included- an absolute non factor and treated accordingly. Everyone going into that and expecting a second XIV MSQ will be sorely disappointed. The combat and gameplay at this point is also fucked beyond repair. None of the systems matter any more, there are so many Jobs that are just completely useless, the gear scales so obscenely that everyone is SAM now and can skillchain with themself. What makes the game special is the game-world and the feeling of travel (despite this being also slaughtered by all the ways you can warp now, it is almost XIV levels of convenient to return to places). You have some really beautiful story nuggets that happen sometimes that are on par with the best of XIV, but those are admittedly rare.
>>720295705just play HorizonXI (75 cap era)
The community is made up of almost exclusively sexual deviants. Wuk Lamat is a dogshit character that they can't help but force down everyone's throats with the shit tranny VA. Additionally all the fights are so overly scripted that after you've done them only several times it becomes incredibly mundane and repetitive. Even healing is reduced to the same trash ability rotations as a DPS.
>>720286710>mothly feelollmaohbao
>>720295830Imagine if Wuk1) was voiced by a fiery latina2) was actually challenged in the MSQ and got setbacks3) was living in a area that isn't shitty TuralWe'd have so much furry porn of a lion-girl tomboy. It is not fair...
>>720286828*IX
Reminder that your free trial ends with your first subscription and then you have to keep buying it to keep playing.It's not worth it. Once you finish stormblood quit. It should be F2P by now given how fucking far they've driven it into the ground.
>>720294928I think you may just be retarded, anon.
Nobody wants modern XI, they want a cutoff at ToAU
>>720295996>was voiced by a fiery latina
>>720286710Square Enix doesn't want your money. They always make paying them confusingly worded and hard to understand. What the fuck does discounted basic service fee mean
>>720296170Why do they sound so fucking creepy?
>>720296039i'm still waiting for shoob tho.................
>>720296030*VIIIIX was the first step backwards for the series
>>720290483Why not bundle it with FFXIV?It will boost the numbers of both games. 13 is a lot for game that old.
>>720294357>Sakaguchi himself insisted it be mainline and treated like mainline.Sakaguchi at that time was having wonderful ideas like Spirits Within too.
FFXI was best during Lv75 era and SE doesn't offer it anymore, so at least classic private servers are a thing.
>>720295829they nerfed RDM too hard
>>720296264Numale tendencies ooze through their keyboards
>>720296321He was behind FFIX, X, XI and the movie all at the same time. Square used to be quite ambitious.
>>720296296Giving XIV players free entry to XI wouldn't increase profits for SE at all, so they won't do it. It's not like XI has a cosmetics microtransaction shop to get money from people after they're in.A permanent deal like $20 to sub to both at the same time would make sense though.
>>720295996She was about to be voiced by a true latina woman who could have voiced her better than Sena ever could, but the localization team (who is also in charge of the English voice actors, according to Koji Fox) decided to go with Sena instead for obvious reasons.
>>720296604>he isn't aware11 has far more predatory MTX than 14
>>720296590From what I understand he was barely behind X (and not much more behind XI). But I do miss FF being all but yearly.
>>720286710Recently started back, ttrying to work on getting a full +2 Ambuscade setJust waiting until I hit the wall where I need to play with other people to do things (No, I will not buy your runs for 12m, fuck off Asura)
>>720294308dogshit b8, m8
>>720286710XI is some good shit, relatively new so just started leveling samurai for my dancer
must be outside an HNM window or something
There's so many levels of baiting, sarcasm, and shitposting I don't know what posts are even honest
we could've gotten a hot cheeto latina tomboy but instead we got quirk chungus troon mungus, squeenix.....WTF
Just give us a classic server. 75-era Cutoff point being when Odin and Alexander Prime quests were added. Is that really so hard?
>>720289791Yea you can tell people who bring up the whole need discord thing are fucking retarded. It has a lot of mechanics that just fucking kills you and other people if you aren’t careful
>>720296929its a rare 'ffxi player trying to get more people into their game by baiting discussion with ffxiv in the op' thread
>>720296039>just quit right before the best expansion
>>720289718>the content is too haaaaaard for me :(>also where is my new paypal ultimate
>>720289791>the hardest content in the game is PF-able, you only need a discord for Forked Tower because you have to vet people and make sure you don't get people who will troll your runWhy did that have to be the instances group content for the casual playerbase? This makes it sound as if savage/ultimate raiding wasn't hard enough if you can PF it. DT is atrocious as casual gamer, so far they have been exclusively making shit for raid trannies.
How would (you) fix FFXIV?
>>720297336By going back to 1.0
>>720297336Turn it into a mobile game made for China.
>>720286710im waiting for it to go b2p
>>720297486fucking no, stop the madness
>>720286828FXIII was plenty FF THOUGH
>>720297336shed off the casual playerbase by making only savage and ultimate raids from now on, downsize the servers to offset the reduced sub income
>>720297557>he doesn't know
>>720286710is that what FF mmorpgs do? they don't migrate the playerbase onto the next new game?how do they ever get sustainable numbers in terms of both selling the base game and getting people to populate their servers?
>>720287702The whole Ivalice thing is fucking gay and faggy, the only games I'll allow are FFT and FFTA/A2, and FFT was retroactively added to it>>720286710Why are they trying to revive FFXI? What's next, do thing on FFXI to get goodies on FFXIV and vice versa?
>>720297689out of all the replies i've recieved, asking the same question in oh so many threadsthis is by far one of the worst
>>720295996Its so fucking brutal how it all turned out. There are so many good Tomboy VAs in both English and Japanese and English gets a self indulgent tranny
>>720298193sorry i like to play the game and want more to do in it
>>720297591Like it or not, 1.0 had a lot of neat ideas that were just horribly executedMob damage system (ex: Haymaker a skeleton and you may knock it's head off which lowered its accuracy and locked moves), unique class system (job + job = unique job combination), Hamlet Defense (Long-scale FATEs that all jobs could participate in for EXP; including crafters and gatherers), actual open world, including dungeons (this is both a positive and negative though because it probably greatly affected the already dogshit performance) and horizontal progression instead of your standard 'number go up' (while not exactly a fan of XI's gearswap-centric gameplay, I did like the idea of having multiple pieces for different situations)I won't defend it because I was there since the closed beta begging them to make changes (The dogshit limited experience system, horrible optimization, clunky and weird ATB system)But the game eventually reached a point where it was unique enough to be it's own thing before being scrubbed from existence; understandable really why it needed to be done
>>720298456>more to do in itHow does removing easier difficulties to gate keep casuals accomplish that?
>>720289718>they've been neutered and dumbed down to let shitters play the gameThe funniest thing is the shitters STILL can't play the game and now actively ruin the experience for everyone else.Do you want a terrible time? Get stuck in the current 24man for AN HOUR, with an entire alliance of rubberlicking drooling troglodytes who can't even do a basic trash pull without someone dying to aggro flying off tank(s), healers falling asleep and not even attempting regen/shields, or all dps standing in aoes then dying while doing autoattack damage strictly for 45% of the boss. That was me yesterday. It was one of the most grueling roulettes I ever endured. I'm teetering uninstalling because the relic progress i got for that miserable gauntlet was a whole fucking 210/10000. All because the jobs are so dumb and badly designed at this stage that people think they're playing them anywhere close to satisfactory level in the most braindead of content imaginable. Worst of all is you can't call anyone specific out, it will get your ass GMgaol'd if the shitter is asspained enough to spam tickets of every "instance"
>>720298662dev time not being wasted on content you knock out in an hour or less and never touch again unless you want to grind for a shiny bird mount that you'll never use anywhere
IM FINNA TROON THE FUCK OUT, CHUDS!!!!!!!!!
>>720298879Cutting easier versions of the same fights isn't going to give them enough time to make more completely different fights.
>>720286710Do the 3rd party cheat plugins that everyone uses come pre installed yet???
>>720286710DEAD TRANNY GAME
>>720298265While still not nearly as bad as Wuk, EN Alisaie has been voiced by a hag for almost a decade now.
>>720298491>But the game eventually reached a point where it was unique enough to be it's own thing before being scrubbed from existence; understandable really why it needed to be doneWhat everyone forgets is the majority of what you mentioned was beta-testing implementation for ARR. Most of that didn’t even exist in the game until ARR was making headway. The only thing that existed at 1.0 launch was a few story quests (where you literally do nothing because half of them are simulated flashbacks, and other half you a go like a bitch while the Archons fight Gaius), levequests, and behests. We could go on forever if everything 1.0 did wrong. Like the “open world” just had long tunnels to hide loading other zones. Or how crafting a level 20 gear piece required crafting level 40 materials.
>>720286710I took a break after playing the ffxi trial and apparently they delete your trial character after a couple months. Not a great way to pull in new players lmao
>>7202973364.2 Stormblood combatA cohesive story that doesn't split into two (like Shadowbringers and Heavensward)
>>720299853Heavensward kept on going back Ul’dah to resolve the stuff with Raubahn tho in random segments. And Shadowbringers kept on doing “meanwhile on the Source” flashbacks.
>>720299963It didn't lean too heavily into that though. Stormblood was divided between Doma and Ala Mhigo, Endwalker was divided between the source and ancient shit, garlemald shit, it was a mess. And Dawntrail is divided between Tuliolawl and Alexandria.Genuinely wish the devs would stop with this shit.
What made Shadowbringers so good?
>>720300256it was when the non-twin scions became friends and comrades rather than coworkers
>>720300256Nothing, it was a giant step down from Stormblood.
I played FFXI for 6 years straight, right up until they raised the level cap and started to completely invalidate 99% of the game's relevant content and try to force WoW progression into a world built around sidegrades.Best memories of my life are skipping school to grind blue crabs with some random nippons for 8 hours.
>>720299651I'd argue that out of the few things I listed, maybe 2 were beta implementations for ARR (Hamlet and Dungeons); a majority were in at launch with the rest being nonexistent in the relaunch into ARRFull on dungeons may not have been introduced until later on however; I will admit I don't entirely remember, just that there were cave areas you could explore and it was advisable to do so with a party due to mob levelsHamlets were definitely proto-FATEs, but done better just for the inclusion of crafters and gatherers imoBut yes, 1.0 had issues; a lot of them, that's pretty much common knowledge nowI'd prefer to list some of the more unique and interesting things it ended up trying to do that really stood out instead of going on about where it failed or did horribly wrong (which, if you want to even add to that, I have no idea how they went from the Auction House system in XI to whatever the fuck they were thinking with Retainers)
FFXI needs to revamp their UI already
I still don't quite understand why raising the level cap was worse than the holocaust for XI players.
>>720301437i think this guy >>720300653 just explained it
>>720301437They ruined the one thing that made FFXI better than other games, horizontal progression
>>720301437It's understandable when you consider that XI functioned and still mostly functions on horizontal progressionThe level 75 cap was in place for years, meaning that the entire game itself functioned around that level capIf you were under 75, the increase really didn't affect you; in fact, it introduced a new way for you to level even faster (which could actually be seen as a negative in some ways)However if you were capped and had been capped for years, you've most likely spent (a lot of) time and (a lot) money doing content to get rare pieces of gear, either to use on swap/certain situations or just main pieces for your JobWe're talking <5% drop rates with either hard, time-consuming entry requirements to challenge the contentAnd/Or NMs with variable respawn timers, some being up to 48 hrs that also shit drop rates (bonus: you're also be competing against other players to try and claim these NMs)The level cap increase almost immediately gave way to new, higher level pieces that did what a lot of older pieces did, but better (note: not EVERYTHING was completely phased out or made useless; some older gear pieces still have use now)What that meant was basically a lot of blood, sweat and tears were undone over the course of the 3 Abyssea expansions
>>720289380People are upset because the story of the expansion is focused on some ugly non-binary cat character voiced by a tranny. That's all. The retards are too stupid to just skip cutscenes and raid.
So much PR recently
>>720303943>After a year and a half of reading player feedback, Naoki Yoshida came to the conclusion that twelve years of the game going without system or gameplay updates while removing every trace of RPG elements is NOT the problem with Final Fantasy XIV.>"We will focus on content structure, after all, content is also part of the game's design."It's like fixing a pizza with a shitty pie and rotten sauce and cheese by improving the toppings. Bravo Yoshida. I can't want for Jesse Cox to interview him again to ask more non questions about how he has been in the games industry for 30 years.
>>720289380There's a lot of things going on and most people will zero in on Dawntrail because of just how absurdly bad the story in that expansion was, because really the game's story was the single thing helping it avoid criticism for the longest time, but the rot runs extremely deep.Foundationally, the issues xiv has boils down to three main things1) The execs just view the game as a piggy bank squeenix can use to fund other games with. This approach means that they siphon all the talent from the games dev team and take all the money it produces for other projects. Without talented people and a healthy budget, the devs cobble together terrible samey content built for poorly designed samey classes to get the paypigs to keep paying money.2) Extremely high levels of tech debt. The engine xiv uses is so bad that it cannot be overstated. There is basically a full built in 1 second delay on everything you do regardless of your own ping. The glamour system is hamstrung by hard limits on the amount of cosmetics you can have because the game can only handle up to a certain level of cosmetics being registered to any one player. There are so many instances where engine limitations or technical issues sabotage the developers ability to make a satisfying game, and it compounds every year because the execs don't care because the paypiggies have no standards and will give them money regardless. 3) Woke infestation. It is no secret that Squeenix is a customer for DEI consultation companies. Patient Zero insofar as how it affects xiv is their English lore consultant, Kate. This is a woman who started by fighting to make the faeries in Shadowbringers be non-binary, and now in Dawntrail got a random friend, a tranny from Kentucky with no notable roles otherwise, to voice the main character of Dawntrail, Wuk Lamat. For whatever reason, Kate has substantial influence at Squeenix, and can be counted on to ruin xiv in a myriad of ways to accommodate her mind-virus.
It should have been two charges of Manaward
>>720300256It ignored the mostly terrible story of xiv to let you be an Isekai hero saving the world in another dimension full of interesting characters and entertaining villains.
>>720303365It wasn't even the sunken cost that soured so many people, it was the fact that, even for newer players, Abyssea became more than 10 times faster for leveling jobs, and you could do so by literally going AFK or just opening chests for hours. The enormous variety of exp camps that gave areas a sense of community and life were simply abandoned, and all of the rare drops that kept people going into these areas were also powercrept and made worthless. For over 5 years, every nook and cranny of the world had some form of value attached to exploring it. In less than a year, they replaced all of that with shitty copypasted versions of the same zones minus all of the interesting content.
I think the worst update for XI was the one that made mobs despawn instead of slowly walk back to there original location. It was a soul nuke.Noobs would never experience getting raped on zoning into CN or the jungles.Giving COR dispel would be a close 2nd.
>>720298674bro i had a raid like that in ARR, i figured there's no way we could wipe a 3rd time, and then we didi also had to heal another party along with my own because the healer for their group was actually retarded and did nothing but spam heal on the tank, even when full, was probably using the most expensive cure they had too
>>720306198I was such a terrible kid playing that game. Any time I had anyone steal too many of my parties pulls or overcamp in Crawlers Nest, I would ruin the entire zone for everyone.Eventually, the revenge stopped being the point. It just became what you did.
>>720294165Show us your clears. Timestamped picture of your screen if you please.
OP learns XI and XIV have basically nothing to do with eachother developmentally since XI's development crew is one guy in a broom closet with a hamster bottle of Asahi super dry on the wall
Game peaked with Asmongold.>Zones were alive and bustling with people>Everyone was social and helpful>PF was popping from MINE to SavageThe game is basically in it's silver years now2021 - 2023 was the best time to play this gameBefore that it was the launch of ShB.
>>720306198>garlaige, 2004>someone trains the entire basement up>LV54 PLD with a brigandine and af1 boots shows up>he has an aura like Superman as he enters>Superman proceeds to get raped by 2 dozen packs of batsThe SOVL was overwhelming.
>>720306745the game isn't hard. the fact that you're asking for proof like this just shows you have never even attempted to clear anything. the only thing holding you back is yourself.
>>720289380Expansion is completely average from a combination of mediocre-bad story and new additions not hitting right and people APPARENTLY expected a ceaseless torrent of kinography to enter their eyeballs at all time after Shadowbringers and Endwalker which is actually doubly baffling because Endwalker sucked ass and was even more miserable than Dawntrail in that regard
>>720306949>the game isn't hard>can't show proof of beating such an easy gameSounds like deflection to me.
>>720296296I don't think they have any interest in artificially propping up XI's numbers like WoW does with Retail and Classic.
>>720306949>the game isn't hardOh okay. Then it should be pretty easy for you to post your clears (you won't)
>>720294357The game is great until you try getting into endgame and gearswapping is the norm. Aids mechanic they should have snuffed in the early days, just like ESO with animation cancels. Classic EQ era mmo pitfall where the game stops being fun as soon as the leveling is over.
>>720306665>>720306871lol those were good times.BST was the griefing class. Just uncharm and watch the chaos unfold.
>>720306075I'd say sunken cost WAS the biggest issue and what led to a lot of people dropping the gameBut yeah I agree; that was definitely the secondary glaring issue with Abyssea as a whole, and why people have bitter feelings towards itIt was the beginning of the end of traditional EXP parties in XIYou'd still have some people try and party, but eventually even the Dunes became a ghost townI'll never forget how jarring it was to stand around with LFP flipped on and get whispers constantly about Abyssea partying
>>720306864his reaction to Mega Flare was fantastic
>>720306864For me it was Asmon's meltdowns as it occurred to him he was not getting the Necromancer title or clearing MINE Alexander.
>>720298265Getting a good VA would not have fixed Dawntrail. I played with jap VA, she was serviceable, I still loathed the expansion since day one. The only entertaining things in it were the solo duty when you fought the old man and the post MSQ dungeons.
>>720307426FFXI's endgame autistic gearswapping is the only thing that makes it even remotely engaging these days.You just use addons and fucklong lua scripts to turn every job into a ridiculous demigod that insta-casts 6 second spells and skillchains with itself from having so much fucking haste and additional swings.The game is so tuned around 3rd party addons and gearing autism that a player using only the builtin systems is a useless cripple by comparison.
>>720306864>>720307554>>720307598People like these are the reason MMOs are dead
>>720307351>>720307425this impressive to you? because i think ultimates are easy unless you are world racing, following strats someone else put together is something anyone can do
>>720307631this, but even then the fight against Gulool had a bad ending>hold nothing back, we don't stop until one of us is on the ground>ok i used my final epic special move, we're done now
>>720300256shadowbringers temporarily dropped the extremely uninteresting alamhigger politics shit in order to actually go and do something cool and fixed the ascians
Posting best girl.
>>720307809>still no timestamped achievement screen>image taken off archivesKek
>>720307760ah yes, people enjoying reactions to the common thread that binds the ffxiv community togetheryou guys do shitpost about community alot
>>720308272huh? i just went to my fflogs profile and screenshot ityou actually want me to take a photograph of my screen holding a piece of paper with a timestamp? what do i get out of this?
Both Calyx and Zoraal Ja were god awful villains and them having to pull ascians again just shows they have no world or villains to inhabit them left.
>>720286710>11 STILL isn't F2P>Private servers STILL don't have all retail contentGrim.>>720286828Correct. 12 was the Magnum Opus and the series immediately died after.BACKSTREETS BACK, ALRIGHT was the burying of the series.
>>720307749But that is shit. XIs core system is that players are weak and insignificant on their own, but teamplay helps them succees. The fact that skillchains are barely a factor at max levels any more is a fucking shame.
>>720307598>or clearing MINE Alexander.A8S is a pain when you have someone that doesn’t want to understand the timeline of events and organize movement and roles.
XIV did blue mage dirty.
>>720306864I hate that he was on my server with all his dicksuckersThe Ifrit Extreme clutch was cool though
>>720308628Any of the Alex Savages, really. Guy thought the Streamer Bonus™ would carry him in the end and couldn't handle looking silly when he couldn't do it.
Just took some naked pictures of my character.Feels so good having nothing to do in the game outside of prog nights.
>>720308783Catbox them
>>720308682From the lens of "it's either a side job or it's not in the game at all" I'll happily take the side job to be desu with you family. Same for Beastmaster coming up.
post em
>>720308854Nope, I still have to edit them
>>720308974Why would you edit them?
>>720308265silly sexy cat
>>720309080Because I like my screenshots to look nice and not like ass.
>>720308886Post what? Portraits?
>>720308628>>720308774HW's raid tier was truly the best of the best.It was so good it nearly kill the game's raid scene.
>>720308593Skillchains stopped being a main factor within the first 2 years of FFXI's life.It was rangerburning, followed by nerfs, followed by hyperbuffed DDs demolishing shit in a few seconds. Even SMN kiting is faster than that retarded Skillchain/Magic Burst shit in endgame.
>>720307598>MINEnot even close to replicating the difficulty of old content today. you have to do more than minimum item level, you have to go far below the minimum item level, and even then it's basically impossible to match the difficulty of the dps checks even if your character is naked with a level 1 weapon
>>720297689You know when they released Abyssos into TOP it caused such a fatigue that no one even did anabaseios
>>720293665it's not EoS though, it's getting new content. just no new expansions. there's new master trials. Limbus and Besieged got pulled up to the new item level recently as well.
>8.0 Job identity reworks already deconfirmedvery interesting choice by yoshida to just keep chipping away at the copium supply
Fan poll on the story evaluation from 7.0 to 7.3. from JP users. Here is the result.
Can't reveal how I know, but they're working on expanding the armor outfit system they introduced a few patches ago, hinting towards an overhaul of the glam system and potentially a glam collection.
>>720310427where
>>720310474In Pie-chart format.
>>720310508i haven't changed my glamour since heavensward
>>720310515I'm guessing he is referring to this interview
>>720286710FF11 is too big brain for the average 14 midwit they'd get stuck and ask where quest are and die to the starter mobs outside the town and get mad and uninstall
>>720310515>Yoshida: Don't worry, we won't transform FFXIV into an action-combat game>Doomers: ALL CHANGES DECONFIRMED
>>720310508>Can't reveal how I know, but they're working on expanding the armor outfit system they introduced a few patches agoWho the fuck even cares? Seriously. I have 17 million gil worth of Jet Black dye glam on outfit-ready items in my glam dresser. If I take them out and put them back in, I lose the Jet Black dye. It will cost me over 17 million gil just to be able to properly use the outfit system. What's worse is that I did use the outfit system with things that I did not have Jet Black dye on, and guess what? You cannot permanently dye the items if they are part of an "outfit". The "outfit" system is just the armoire. If you want a permanent expensive dye on something, it still need to be its own item in your glam dresser and cannot be part of an oufit.It is a COMPLETELY useless system and a waste of development resources.
Can't reveal how I know, >reaches deep into ass>pulls out hand full of shitbut they're working on expanding the armor outfit system they introduced a few patches ago, hinting towards an overhaul of the glam system and potentially a glam collection.
>>720310606>its going to be different, but people who dont like change will be okaySo possibly having specs/subjobs for jobs? It would be interesting if players could just different flavors of the same job, but that would be too hard to balance and we know how much they love balance.
>>720310515In the interviews Yoshida gave at Gamescom.
>>720310508What I can see is submitting a full set from a dungeon or raid to unlock an achievement or something to let you have that as a glam unlocked. I actually store all 24-man raid gear in the dresser cause that’s the most annoying to collect
>>720310427>>720310606>>720310878>So possibly having specs/subjobs for jobs?Yeah, shitposters seem to LOVE to misunderstand and misquote everything Yoshida has ever said, but it seems like it's either "phantom jobs" being put in the real game or maybe something like "cross class" role actions like how the game used to have back in the day. Just a little sprinkle on top, not anything fundamental changing. Maybe it's even something as small and retarded as a personal Limit Break, or maybe the new skills introduced next expansion will be sort of like WoW's talent trees where you pick one of them, but I'm leaning more towards "subjobs" i.e. "cross class" actions or something like that. I don't understand how shitposters so consistently find a way to purposely misunderstand what he says.
>>720310956Same thing here, I gave up storing most gear there because it can be easily reacquired, but alliance raid gear is something I hold onto.
>>720311097Because he promised fundamental overhauls for the jobs multiple times, saying they would bring entirely unique utility to each job.
Its probably just the PVP role action system, which is also how role actions used to work.Devs love deleting content just to re-add it as a new feature.
>>720310871I don't care.
>>720310427You're quoting an article where Yoshit Pee says they're not gonna remake half the game again for jobs' sake,which should be good news for people that complain of job uniquity given that Heavensward, heir apparent of unique job design, wasn't very dissimilar to Stormblood which wasn't very dissimilar to Shadowbringers. Probably another job gauge level of design shake-up on top of what they're doing already.
I really just want to see square enter full panic mode since their cashcow keeps failing.
>>720310427If they keep the current encounter design, what are they even able to change about jobs to make them more fun?
>>720310606>>720310927there has to be an error in translation here, or he's being intentionally vague
>>720311261I think people just want to press buttons more often than every 2 minutes.
>>720311206Some of this isn't incompatible with the coming systems, Dragoon and Summoner are still owed reworks and they alluded to Summoner's other rework half being put off for Dawntrail.
>>720311097>I don't understand how shitposters so consistently find a way to purposely misunderstand what he says.Are you surprised? before DT we had someone think SE saying "No expansion planned" in a yearly report (meaning no expansion releasing THAT year) meant the game was going maintenance mode and wouldn't stop posting about it
>>720310606>>720310878I'd rather they let you just modify certain skills. Like imagine a Paladin unlocks Circle of Scorn and can choose between:>Vanilla version but slightly stronger DoT>Version where the DoT is twice as long but so is the cooldown>Version where it comes with a HoT
>>720311303>he's being intentionally vagueFirst Yoshida interview?
>>720311303I think you guys are just being purposely retarded.
>>720311206Yoshida's genuine idea of a "complete job overhaul" is combining 2-3 existing skills and adding a new one.
>>720311303Not even being vague, his answer isn't scripted
>>720311357One and two do literally nothing and three would be a dead button because hots dont do anything in XIV.
>>720311348>Are you surprised?No, I'm not surprised. I expect it at this point. I just don't understand WHY a couple shitposters have attached their entire identity to hunting down every interview and every press release that Yoshida has ever done just so that they can scour the quotes in order that they may purposely misunderstand something just to make a shitpost about it on 4chan.
>>720311517After seeing the autistic dedication of dumpy, I gave up trying to understand
>>720311357AIEEEEE NO!!!! THE ONE THAT DOES THE MOST DAMAGE WILL ALWAYS BE META FOR EVERYTHING!!! DONT DAMAGE MY PARSES WITH TEAMMATES WITH SUBOPTIMAL CHOICES!!! MY PARSEE!!!!!!!!!!
>>720311303He speaks in PR which he didn't used to do so much but now it's every interview. After having read over 5 years of his interviews it has only gotten worse over the last year.The reason he does this, he doesn't want to commit to something that the devs are unable to deliver but also wants to keep interest in the game from players so puts him in a difficult position of having to try to please both his employees but also the people paying their wage. They used to be on the same page wanting the same thing but now even he has admitted the players want something different to what they are delivering.
>>720311517Its widely recognized Yoshida says a lot of vague, contradictory things in most of his interviews. Not some isolated trolling observation.
>>720311517You don't see the fun in clowning on a bunch of obese trannies sucking the shit out of some creatively bankrupt gook, still hoping that the can shit out something worth playing? Why are you here?
job rework is easy, just take away the 2 minute meta. now you have the freedom to do whatever you want with jobs, they can play drastically different from each other, and you don't have to feel constrained by having everything revolve around burst windows.
>>720311585Do you have the google docs handy, by chance? I never bookmarked it and it might be useful in the future
The only jobs that really even need raidbuffs are DNC and BRD.
>>720311348I was going back finding those posts. Holy shit that was sad but hilarious.
>>720311682No I never saved it.Maybe some other anon can provide
>>720311701Correct opinion and anyone who disagrees is probably a DRG main who should be laughed out of the game.
Why are there just so many trannies on FFXIV?What is it about the game that causes like 50% of the playerbase to be trans?
>>720311348>>720311774It's so bizarre. It's like >"if Yoshida did not hand deliver a letter addressed to me that very specifically and very autistically counters my purposeful misunderstanding of his words, then my shitpost MUST be true"
he SUCK me
>>720311673And ignore balance unless something is like massively broken to the point where it trivializes encounters. I dont give a shit if my job is 20% lower dps than the best job. Thats a problem for the raiders.
>>720311896Second life ERP.MMOs are also for autistic people which that venn diagram is a perfect circle.
>>720311934Troon P
>>720311896odd how the only claims of trannies everywhere is in these threads. Never in all my years since 2.0 have I seen anyone claiming to be trans on my server. Only shouts for LGBT friendly FCs
>>720311701MCH status?
>>720310427Remembird when they were talking about remaking all the jobs in DT because they had gotten so homogenized in like one interview and then they never spoke about that againI remembird
>>720311701I want them to remove SMN's heal, make them do more damage, and then give the heal to RDM so that Magick Barrier basically works like Kerachole
>>720312016they did speak about it again, they recognized it before DT, and announced that they made the decision to "focus on refining raid design in 7.X" and delayed focusing on job design until 8.X
>>720311673The biggest damage to jobs was something begged for by the players. Funny
>>720312192any game where the devs bend the knee to player demands turns to shit eventuallyplayers rarely know what they actually want
>>720312016I remember them following it up by making the homoginization even worse.
>>720311993It’s confirmed by checking adventurer plates and Twitter/Bluesky
>>720311896Genuine answer, they are terminally online because they can't function in the real world and FFXIV allows them to live out a lot of their fantasies, like pretending to be a girl and gooning all day.
>>720312292Why would I do either of those things?
>>720300256The Good>well-written story that was a perfect combination of worldbuilding, intrigue, character drama, and payoff of previous setup, which got people invested>interesting setting and framing>fun fights in Eden, Nier, and the Weapons>they went balls out with HadeSEX, SoSEX and TOP>good new content (Ishgard Restoration) and development on previous forms of content (Bozja)>between those two it probably had the best staying power and long-term content of any expansion (Stormblood is second place but Ishgard Restoration was better than HoH, and Bozja and Eureka are both about as good as each other)>fortuitous timing with Covid>Viera are cute>Gunbreaker is the coolest job ever and Dancer is great for giving women something to do>new abilities for everybody are pretty cool>music feels particularly inspired>added two hebe wivesThe Bad>job design took a step down>new races were handled lazily>didn't really step the amount of content up over Stormblood>tanks and healers got their shit all fucked up>the alliance raid kind of sucks (I say this as a big Nier fan)>the stories of Eden, Bozja, AND the Weapons start off strong but then kind of eat shit partway through>turned the Exarch into a gayboy and then glued him to our hip
I'm about to return to XI and make a dual XI / XIV group that plays both games since I'm hoping they're gonna merge the subs with discounts at this rate and I was curious which would be a better name for my XI LS.Part of me wants to name it "Returners" since everyone always comes back to XI at some point and it'd be a nice nod to FF6Another part of me wants to name it Tantalus after FF9, which is one of my favorite FF titles.
>>720311896>Why are there just so many trannies on FFXIV?The more autistic and unwanted by women someone is, the more likely they are to troon out. This is why the MMO, FGC, and speedrunning communities are rife with trannies. This is not an XIV specific thing, and it's not even as rampant as you desire to believe that it is. It might just be that you hate this game and you hate trannies so you lump them together. WoW has a bunch of trannies and actually ahs in-game Pride events and merchandise. XIV doesn't have any of that, and moreover the speedrunning and FGC communities seem to be more trannyfied than the MMO community. Personally, I've only met 1 tranny in 6 years of playing. And it's not even limited to just video games anymore either.
>>720312346To confirm the undeniable fact that the game is filled to the brim with trannies.
>>720312292>and Twitter/BlueskyAnyone using Twitter and especially anyone using Bluesky is already a tranny, that's not even related to this game
>>720312016He said it as a throwaway cope line on the Dark Knight line specifically when the only additions advertised on its slide was the removal of Plunge and the merger of Bloodweapon and Delirium.
>>720312397They're not going to merge the subs due to how OpenOnline works for FFXI and if they were ever going to merge the subs they would have done it when Yoshida was Producer/ Director of FFXI and FFXIV at the same time which he stopped being a couple of years ago for FFXI. His excuse for why they didn't do it, because they were asked before is related to legal issues in different territories of how the game is sold but that sounded like a cope to me, yet it's the excuse he used.
>>720289380Square enix let investors that have never played MMOs before make decisionsOne scraped expansion to reach the story's ending fasterEnd game content requires joining a discord server which will no doubt be run by fags and tranniesAll the classes within the same role play the same wayThe latest expansion is about helping a fursona voiced by a tranny become president of fantasy mexicoThat's about it.Even a piece of shit game like Old School Runescape is managing to beat FFXIV in player numbers now
>>720292774You know I never consciously noticed until now that eScape has a leifmotif with the Azys Lla theme carried over from the music used when Omega was introduced as an Allagan superweapon in HW.
>>720312460Ok I went to Limsa on my server and looked at ~20 adventure platesSome were privated or weren't createdA few mentioned sending tells to themI only saw 1 person who listed they were a gay guy.Other than that, no mention of trans or anything I could infer as such.
>>720312990>All the classes within the same role play the same wayI would argue the casters and ranged physicals are different enough. Melee dps and heals are absolutely fucked, and DRK needs to escape having a bootleg WAR rotation for tanks to be in an okay place rotation wise, then they need to look into having all 4 tanks mitigation differentiated.
>>720313337>then they need to look into having all 4 tanks mitigation differentiated.Sounds pretty difficult to do without creating another Heavensward Paladin situation where the job is complete total ass
>>720286710>For active XIV players>Only first 30 days>Presumably you still have to buy the gameI can't believe this is real
>>720286828>Final Fantasy games after V will never be real Final Fantasy. FTFY
>>720313497I'm sure most GNBs would shit at the idea but I'd strip them of most personal defensives and crank up both their damage and outgoing mits by a lot to push them into the role of being the go-to offtank.
>>720313337Gnashing fang is a 30s inner release
>>720289380Originally, there was a "Team A" which consisted of people such a Ishikawa as writer and Koji Fox and localizer. Koji Fox is so influential that he has essentially become Yoshida's right hand man and has been at the company and was telling people how bad the original 1.0 was even before Yoshida got brought in to fix it, and you can see a lot of Koji Fox's influence in the game. Although he is not technically a "Writer", his localizations and his influence may as well give him honorary writing credits. Well, the "Team B" that they brought in for Dawntrail has a literal who writer who only wrote a couple bad parts of previous MSQs and quests, and Koji Fox is fucking gone. In Koji Fox's place is a pink haired tranny who posts all day on Twitter about how we should kill all people who are even slightly right-wing and we should normalize exposing children to public displays of BDSM. Oh, and also, the pink hair got her tranny friend hired as VA of the main character of Dawntrail. This tranny VA that she got hired complains all day on Twitter about how white people should stop voicing black people and people should only voice their proper gender and ethnicity. Meanwhile he got cast to voice a South American woman and he is himself a Californian man. There is also an outside-the-company tranny sitting on SE's board of directors.
>>720313632Making dedicated off-tanks and dedicated main tanks is not going to happen and no one would like it. Every tank should be able to tank in any position, first and foremost.
>>720313337>>720313679PLD and GNB are almost exactly alike, just like WAR and DRK
>>720289380bad storythats really it people will say the combat is bad but its honestly been bad since shb
>>720314061The story has always been "Good for an MMO" which really means "Absolute dog shit but nobody cares".
>>720286710it's the only good ff mmo after all
>>720314161>The story has always been "Good for an MMO" which really means "Absolute dog shit but nobody cares".Shadowbringers is legitimately good and is better than the story in most single player Final Fantasy games. Even Endwalker and Heavensward are in the same ballpark as the less renowned single player FF entries. ARR and StB are maybe like FFI or FFII or FFIII tier stories. Dawntrail has no redeeming qualities and cannot be compared to a real Final Fantasy game. It's more like a really shitty DnD campaign with a really shitty DM who brought in their own DMPC who then does everything on his own.
>>720286710>One time 6 dollar discount>Only if you are already paying a 13 dollar subscriptionhow generous
these threads are moving at a snails pace
>>720313726She didn’t call for conservatives to be killed, she called for them to be purged from public life. Which is like telling you to fuck off. Snowflake conservashits can’t stand being told to fuck off.
>>720314405>Shadowbringers is good thois the exact same>but lightning returns is good thobut even worse because ARR through Stormblood is longer than 13 and 13-2
>>720314576Tends to happen when there is nothing going on and no spammer to fill itWhen Mare was killed they were filling incredibly fast
>>720314730You're retarded. What else could it possibly mean than "kill everyone who disagrees with me"? It can't really mean "put everyone who disagrees with me in a cage in a dark basement somewhere so that I never have to see them again">>720314857>is the exact same>>but lightning returns is good tho...no. You can read what I wrote, I'm not going to say it again. The Shadowbringers MSQ is not just "good for an MMO" it is "good for a FF game and favorably comparable to other well-liked FF games"
>>720314576Because the game killed off it's Casual audience.>>720310474
>>720314880the only next thing to talk about is the new raid for the deep dungeonthen yoshi-p said 7.4 msq will be "slow paced" that makes sense because they cant reveal nothing about the next expansion until the fanfestIn 7.4 apart from the conclusion of the Arcadion, there is nothing to talk about eitherIn 7.45, variant dungeon I guess
>>720310474It's over
>>720315083It's not comparable to other FF games because other FF games don't require you to drag yourself through 300 hours of slop to get to them but Shadowbringers does
>>720314405Shadowbringers was awful. Not as awful as Dawntrail but still.
>>720315335>>720315367You are so desperate to get the thread to bump limit that this is the shit you're baiting with
For now we know the next expansion isn't going to have>a new race>a new graphical updateSo if the overhaul for jobs isn't really an overhaul, there is no excuse of taking so long to release the expansion in 2027.
>>720314405>better than the story in most single player Final Fantasy games.Yeah, exactly. Absolute dog shit.
>>720286710I'd be much, much, more more interested in in playing FFXIV v1.0. Because there's SO much lore in that fucking game that they touch on in v2.0 but never really hash out so you're just left with a bunch of questions. v.2.0 wasn't just a reboot, it was a sequel to v1.0. So if you didn't play v1.0, you're actually missing a ton of the story. Of course, there's no legit way to play v1.0 now. You have to use a bunch of hacks and emulated servers.
>>720315792>>a new race>>a new graphical updateyou forget the possibility of new character creation options which will be their next excusealso they're not even fucking close to finished to the graphics update so that's 100% bleeding into 8.x
They need to shake up how you actually go through an expansion, add some new stuff to do so it's not the same quests dungeon trial loop, give me a reason to care about the overworld, add shit to classes that interacts with enemies in a unique way instead of damage or light debuff, add some RPG mechanics.
>720315838why are you in this thread?cheap (you)s?
>>720308854https://files.catbox.moe/x8yaz3.png
>>720316449
>>720315792>there is no excuse of taking so long to release the expansion in 2027.I mean, the excuse is and will always be that SE funnels all of XIV's money away from XIV and into other less lucrative projects. Basically, XIV is like SE's one GPU mining bitcoin. Instead of using that money to buy another GPU to help mine more bitcoing, SE keeps using those funds to buy vintage troll dolls.
>>720316449This always look like absolute shit for having stretched textures and terrible alpha mapping.I have no idea why anyone does this over just using an actual 3D rendering program beyond being too stupid to do that.
>>720316449i don't believe ita custom model character that isn't a horrible abominationand it looks goodgood job anon, im impressed
>>720289380>How did they ruin XIV?>t. not a knower.The issue is three fold:1. Lack of casual friendly content, they're catering too much to the hard-core raid crowd2. The story was terrible, as others here have explained 3. There's been a severe lack of Big Black male Roegadyns. There's many more issues but those are the top three right now
Squeenix going under would probably be the best thing for the FF franchise honestly.At least then it would have a chance at something further. The current leadership has its head up its own ass. And Jap culture dictates seniority is king. So even if they're retarded, the younger talent has to shut their mouths and do as they're told.Japan is going to fall if not this decade, then the next.
S-E can't into MMO pricing schemes. There should be a discount in general if you're subbed to both, not this single-month only bs.That's ignoring that XI costs more to sub to than XIV if you plan on doing endgame at all either.
>>720316679Tasteful mods do exist
>>720316620When you get attached to your own character you look past those things and it becomes easier to ignore them on other characters too
>>720316774>1. Lack of casual friendly content, they're catering too much to the hard-core raid crowdI don't now why people keep saying this. It's not even remotely true. Everything they pump out if for casuals except Ultimate. Even the raids have a normal mode attached to them. >3. There's been a severe lack of Big Black male Roegadyns. Oh, so you're just shitposting? What even is this?
>>720289380Story sucks, content comes out as a rat's trickle of piss pace, Simplification hammer finally struck BLM and the only content being put out are for the most casual gatherbots or static sweats. If you just want cool duties and combat you've been eating shit since the .1 wait and you'll be eating shit until 2027.
>>720296236>by keycode from resell site>blame company for noticing
>>720306949Anon, don't feed the trolls. When you argue with a one button chump you look like a one button chump.
>>7203104747.3 was a solid rebound and getting things back on track. Balling it in with the shitshow that was 7.0-7.2 isn't really a fair scoring method. The game is on the uptick now.
>>720317462Don't reply to me if you're going to bait post, there is no discussion to be had if you're not just here to troll.
>>720317462>7.3 was a solid rebound and getting things back on track. Balling it in with the shitshow that was 7.0-7.2 isn't really a fair scoring method. The game is on the uptick now.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA good one anon
>>720317462Are you judging the content based on .3 or 7.0 and running to current? Either way I'm left thinking about how good we ate with SB and ShB. 7.3 held my sub for 3 days and made me realize my main has no timer game to upkeep the big damage anymore.
>>720317551>>720317576Doomposters and edgelords that just want to bitch. 7.3 was good and people secure in their sexuality are able to admit that.
>>720317872Ah yes, my favorite 7.3 content:
>>720286710XI is still alive? I thought it was dead
>>720317462>7.3 was goodPreach finally streamed 7.3 this morning and only peaked at 1500 viewers. He had SEVERAL THOUSAND watching him when he went through 5.3. Other streamers like Frinding Gear had similarly pitiful viewer numbers during their 7.3 playthrough. Clearly barely anyone gives a fuck about the astory or else there wouldn't be such a massive drop in viewers compared to 5.3, for example. And Dawntrail is still mostly negative on Steam.Look at pic related, this VA (who voices Otis) gets barely any likes when he says he's streaming Dawntrail. But then when he says he's streaming WuWa he gets nearly a THOUSAND likes. Tells you everything you need to know
XIV proves dead internet theory
>discount on your first subscription billing if you're subbed to another game>meanwhile wow gives you like 5 different versions of the game to play for one sub and you only need to buy retail
>>720317872>treasure hunts>ONE raid>bunch of cosmetics and furniture>new Faux cosmetics>you can see hair bangs under helms/hoods now>emotes>gear that'll he null in .4Friendly reminder you have ONE more major patch before a two year content drought. I doompost for my fucked and raped main.
XIV never recovered from Shadowbringers, did it. That's what they get for tossing aside Garlemald.
WuWa and Garlemald mentioned minus apart from one another.Remember to report for spamming/flooding, it does work.
>>720318068Was that it? Isn't his (Preach) average around 2k viewers? So streaming MSQ for FF14 which is meant to be the big money maker for streamers he was below average.I bet he still sucked off the MSQ though.
>>720318317If they stuck to original plan, we wouldn't have met Wuk Lamat
>>720286710Literally not even the purpose of this. There has been a cross promotion with XI for a good while now and two of XI's scenarios have been put into the game as Alliance raids. They're just supporting an old product.
>>720318641You are attempting to explain the truth to someone's whose only desire is to shitpost. In fact, if you make an XIV thread on /v/ and it isn't a shitpost, it gets deleted and you get banned.
>>720318759Genuinely do you get upset at loud noises? Because you sound like an utter tart on the verge of tears.
>>720318641>Yo dawg I herd u like subscriptions so we promo'd a subscription bonus you can only get by paying a subscription already to something elseReeks of desperation and greed. The very things ensuring we'll never get a good FF game again because current suits seem to have no interest in creating more of what put them on the map rather than experiments for new audiences and outreach.
>>720318824I see the truth has upset you. It must be like poison to you.
>>720318506No it doesn't. It'll just get the unique ip counter removed.
>>720317462>and getting things back on trackNo player in their right mind is going to suffer through all of 7.0 through 7.2 msq to get to 7.3. The damage is done.
7.3 isn't goodIt's just people with stockholm syndrome trying justify their play time.
>>720319349Unironically was me until they did me a favor and taught me why the healers have been bitching for years.
>7.3 is shit in XIV>Limbus rework in XI is shit, even after today's addition of 'open' NMsThey're going to lose people from both.
when are we going to have an alliance raid with a good story again?
>>7203193497.3 gave lots of bitchers what they wanted and we're still bitching so this patch should be the final wakeup call to completely stop taking community suggestions seriously
>>720318928So that's a yes, you do get anxiety attacks from hearing your phone ring.
>>720319508When was the last time that you think the Alliance Raids had a good story? Crystal Tower? It's definitely not Void Ark or Ivalice or Nier or Myths, cuz those all sucked.
Did they ever make Manderville weapons for the new jobs yet? Last time they did was in Stormblood.
>>720319772Crystal Tower is the only Alliance raid that I enjoyed the story of. Void Ark was ok, Nier was too abstract for me as at when I went through the raid I had no knowledge of Nier so it felt so out of place. Myths and Realm story is interesting but somehow the writing felt lazy? Something just felt off with it that I couldn't put my finger on. Haven't done any of the Dawntrail Alliance raid because I quit just before 7.1.
>>720286965Filtered by XINO
>>720320095Blame Endwalker for Myths being disappointing.
>>720298674>healers falling asleepCan you blame them? Healers were hilariously boring to play last time I tried them.
>>720320095>Nier was too abstract for me as at when I went through the raid I had no knowledge of Nier so it felt so out of placeEven if you played Nier Automata, the raid story made no sense.
>>720320095Orbonne Monastery will forever be the best Alliance Raid.
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>>720320560We're talking about story, not the raids themselves.
>>720318926Yes, you might be shocked that businesses run on money. Its such a fucking shame you are smart enough not to fall for this and should clearly be spending time elsewhere.
>>720320560Because it filtered casuals who couldn't stand in a fucking tower?
>>720320713You know what makes money? Good product. Maybe they should try that for once instead of scamming people.
>>720311701DNC should only be able to buff one person at a time.
>>720317462The shota having to exposition dump about how he wouldn't break the rules about having backups even though it undermines everything about him and this shitty story arc just so Wuk Lamat could plausibly defeat him with an axe was some of the shittiest writing I have ever seen in my life. I'm also not sure why anyone entertained the entire killing people for aether thing like it would make any sense whatsoever even as a swerve.
>Finished my crafter and gathering relics>Finished my combat relic>got all the TT cards>fished all the big fishwhat the fuck am I supposed to do now, this patch sucks
FFXV mmo was pretty kino imo
>>720320713Hey retard, know what makes them money in the first place?Their golden goose flagship IP.They've been hemorrhaging money ever since the last good game they made was on the PS2.
>>720286710they should make a full offline version till endwalkerand work on ffxviii online
>>720321147Play mahjong
>>720321291I'm not asian or autistic
>>720321289Till stormblood. And continue from there ignoring shadowbringers and endwalker.
>>720321397na, thats bullffxiv was done on endwalkerjust let it die there
Why would I want to play the official FF11 and not Horizon?
>>720321512One has power-tripping administration run by troons, the other does not and won't shut down any time soon.
>>720320090They haven't even made primal weapons for the new jobs. They're fucking lazy.
>>720321512Why would I invest time on a server that could be shut down at any time? After Twow you should know that the most popular pservers are the most susceptible to be killed off
YoshiP realized that WoW formula requires endless upkeep and work with large team to keep people playing, while FFXI keeps player with like 4 people sized team. He is tired and want people go back to FFXI to lessen his workload.
>>720320090>Did they ever make Manderville weapons for the new jobs yet?They're never going to. DRK, AST, MCH don't have Zodiac relics.RDM and SAM don't have Anima relics.GNB and DNC don't have Eureka relics. SGE and RPR don't have Bozja relics.VPR and PCT don't and wont have Manderville relics.
>>720322217Horizon has a decent chance of a C&D also, since they're distributing client files too.
>>720322347>while FFXI keeps player with like 4 people sized teamIt literally only has one fulltime developer since three years ago, and one part-timer who does a piss-poor job at translating new stuff to English, that usually requires next month's patch t
>>720315083Think she is happy rn?
>>720322856Thats even more impressive then
>>720315083She got her wish, a 'confederate' getting purged. I'm going to send in 10,000 more complaints to Square Enix about her.
>>720322920The English typo's still annoy the fuck out of me. Took them years to address this.
>>720322918She's one of those people who thinks everyone but her is wrong. Of course she's happy. She's employed at a storied company with a lot of legacy, in a prestigious position that an incredibly influential person at the company held prior to her. She probably jills off every night to the thought of how awesome her life is and how much she's on the right side of history. >>720323018It's such a shame how self righteous these types of "people" are, and they just go to their echo chamber (Bluesky) to scream at each other because the world is not actually the way that they want it to be.
I was always held a positive mind-set when I first saw Kate on the stage when she was introduced. I didn't let the danger hair get to me. I thought she was going to be normal. Like those quirky weebs who got their wish to work/live in Japan and are just being "le quirky chungus American." But I was oh so fucking wrong.
>>720323293>I didn't let the danger hair get to me.You should have listened to the rest of us that pointed it out in realtime when she made her first appearance.
my femlala is going to a teppanyaki place for the first time and doesn't know what to order
>>720323293Same, man. Same. That's the last fucking time I ever give danger hair the benefit of the doubt.
>>720323152>She probably jills off every night to the thought of how awesome her life is and how much she's on the right side of history>Jills offKek
>>720323293Same, for some reason I had convinced myself that FF14 had gone on for so long without being infected by contemporary politics, without some activist being involved, that politically the game had almost no dramas in that regard, but I was wrong, so wrong.
>>720320090The last time they ever went back and retroactively gave newer jobs "relic weapons" for older expansions was UWU with the rapier and katana for RDM/SAM that still remain exclusive to UWU despite having non-glowing variations in the filesI WISH they'd made Alexander weapons for GNB/DNC
>>720286764you fags have been at this for like 20 years now just because you can't play them
>>720297336>make all headgear available to Viera, because anything less would be unimaginably lazy and incompetent, even by Bethesda standards>You know how the game is constantly teetering between two extremes--casual and super hardcore shit? Let's not do that anymore. Let's put some actual meat in between those buns and turn this into a sandwich people would like to eat. >You know how the story sucks because we actually AWAY focus from the Scions and the WoL and actually listened to those screeching retards that said "we need to take a break from the Scions?" Let's not do that either. That would be great, thanks. >Romances for the Scions. Yeeesss...>Fire all of the North American GMs. Period. >Stop making raid mechanics that wipe the entire party if one person fucks up. This is called artificial difficulty. If that can't happen, then create an entirely new mode for FFXIV that let's aspiring raiders "preview" an entire fight, from start to finish in a sort of "ghost mode." The player and his character can stand in the middle of the fight, watch the fight play out in real time while they just stand there not being able to interact or damage the boss. They can learn as they watch. This would incorporate both PRACTICE and THEORY at the same time. This in turn would save so many wipes and retries when the actual time came to prog or clear. >You know how Discord is essentially required for player to player cooperation? Let's not do that. Last I checked, Discord doesn't subsidize Square-Enix, and isn't officially sponsored by Square-Enix. So then why in the absolute fuck is everything so reliant on this cancerous platform? Either find a way to make it easier to queue up multiple people for an instance, or make in-game voice chat a thing. Sorry, not sorry. >Fire Kate. >Fire Hiroi. To enrich a garden, one must uproot the weeds.
>>720299564zoomer hands typed this post. Let me introduce you to a character named Ryoko. Can you guess what kind of woman she was voiced by?
>>720303365>tl;dr: raidfags got upset that their sparklies were no longer impressive
>>720306952>"If you give people greatness, they will expect the same moving forward, if not more so. They will not tolerate a regression from that point on."
Question: why is a FFXIV thread talking about the killing of Charlie Kirk? What dies that have to do with FFXIV?
>>720324119You type like a woman
>>720324119>make all headgear available to Viera, because anything less would be unimaginably lazy and incompetent, even by Bethesda standardsFuck off, you fags don't deserve headgear
>>720286710Am I supposed to activate the free time in the mogstation before being able to use it on steam? It's been so long I don't even remember how it works.
>>720324485Are you off your meds again Anon? Walked into the wrong thread today?
>>720286764Ironic, as FFXI is the best FF story and setting by a long shot.
>>720324620>freeanon...
>>720324562You mean I talk like I'm educated and learned? Thanks, I guess.
>>720324736I'm talking about that XIV free time campaign
>>720324590sex and race of your character. now
>>720324768NoI don't care about your opinions and I even agree with them but you type like a woman
>>720324783when you log in into the launcher, it starts counting
>>720324768you cant come to our social club anymore, is what hes saying.
>>720324893I guarantee that I have more testosterone in my right pinky finger than you do in your entire body, you effeminate faggot.
>>720325078uh huh
>>720324485
>>720325110I noticed you haven't posted a pic of your twink ass, yet. That's interesting.
>>720325198Why would I ever post a picture of myself online? I'm not a gigaretard
>>720325282Quack, quack, lame duck.
>>720324119They need to make more fights like P8S. More puzzle solving less dance dance revolution.
>>720325361I accept your defeat
Is there any recommendations for someone who never plays MMOs? I've been interested in XI and XIV, but I have no idea how any of that stuff works.
>>720286710Funny how SE still can't sunset FFXI because they know it's better
>>720325116Based Maga Queen would Eternal Bond in game.
>>720325845Honestly surprised someone can have that name in the game and not be bullied out by the troon gestapo that make up this game's player base.
>>720325994A lot of the troons quit recently when Mare was banned. They've gone into VRchat and are looking for other games to make their new Second Life replacement.
>>720325845Its a gamble
>>720289380>Gutted the jobs to homogonized grey slop>Yoshi P ignores 5 years of feedback>4 month content droughts>When content does drop, it only lasts for a few hours unless youre a raider>Latest expansion had a troon shoved down everyones throat with a boring as fuck story with endless boring filler
>>720324412Yoship's solution to this dilemma was make a template for absolute mediocrity. All jobs must play the same, all content must be recycled, every expansion must hit the same story beats that were established in ShB. This probably would've held them over for another 2 expansions, but DT was handed over to such incompetents, they speed ran right to the end where people are sick of it all.
>>720326249>Balmung That one is 100% a troon>Siren>LalafellFug, there are no good options here.
>>720326249Just thought of this name and I love that it's all Lalafells.
dyeable mount for the mobile port
>>720327063Well that's me never touching the mobile version.
>>720292774Do you think XVI is a good FF?
>>720286710>steal Tanaka's game>run it into the ground>forced to piggiback off of Tanaka's other game to sell subscan't make this shit up
>>720322918lollmaoimplying creatures like kate will ever be happy
>>720292774>And yet the MMOs continue to set standards adopted by future gamesBecause it's made by the same exact people you dingus.
>>720328392you're joking right?
>>720286710why do the mobile versions of the game get way better hairstyles than us? the only hairstyles we get are all fucking ndrogynous because the devs are either scared of being cancelled or lazy
>>720325384P8S door boss was a far better fight than the actual thing. The whole alchemy mechanic in the real fight felt like something they dumbed down last minute, given all of the unused combinations you can make.
>XI introduces +4 gear>It's from the most fucking bland content released in the last decade and a half
it's interesting how the thread changes from when Euros go to bed and when Americans wake up
>>720328475Bro, expect xiv to get pozzed way more as the ship continues to sink. Like so many floundering companies before them, SE is going to try to tap the modern audience in a desperate attempt for money.
>>720328475how would someone be cancelled by adding different hairstyles?you can have pale skin and wear dreads or have an afro already
>Retail FFXIJust release an official classic server with timegating for rotz/cop/toau/etc
Retail is better than 75-capAnyone who thinks otherwise is a literal tranny
>720329173>troon this troon thatyou're a faggot
>>720329173Nothing about modern retail screams MMO to me. It's all 3-6 man content, with servers that have a heart attack if you dare try to bring an active alliance into something like Dynamis-Divergence.
>>720325503XIV is the easiest mmo to start with, base game and first 2 expansions are free to play.Progression is very linear, you can solo everything up untill A Realm Reborn patches.
>>720329354I mean, the only people left playing mmos are autists, boomers, and trannies. Or also autistic boomer trannies.
>>720316774Disregard this postJust start sucking my big roegadyn dick
>>720293562Hien is a SHIT and doesn't deserve Yugiri. Yugiri should be for the WoL.
>>720328475They're also terrified of long hair clipping.Tail Clipping, Weapon Clipping, Ear/Horn Clipping, even short hair clipping is fine. But long hair clipping is forbidden.
>720329461cool, im not autistic, not a boomer nor am i a tranny yet i play MMO's
As a new player, I'm disappointed in range dps jobs, damage feedback isn't satisfying. Especially with Black Mage, terrible animations.
>>720330425That's because Black Mage is one of the initial jobs and has animations from 13 years ago.But FFXIV barely has good animations.
>i'm not autistic>is so autistic he makes the effort to deny my a (you) but still replyexactly
>>720330425black mage doesn't get the weighty casts till later. Flare knocks you on your ass and you start double hand casting at Fire 4
>>720330392>long hair clippingbut the ones in the game already do that because every other outfit has an oversized collar for some reason
>>720307631Absolutely, but the VA made it worse.
I'm still angry they went with the fire 1 2 3 localizing system instead of fire fira firaga
>>720328439He's shitposting
Adventure Quest 3D keeps winning
>>720310091There has been multiple time periods where high level MBs on SC has been the go to for end game content. Not even to mention SMN SC closers. And depending on the week, it might be the best strat for whatever that shit in Mhaura now is called. Really depends on era content and ilvl, but it can't be dismissed as "2 years only". If anything TP burn is the shortest lived.
>>720318548Some of the comments ITT are people passing off his opinion as their own.This for example;>>720317462>"7.3 was a solid rebound and getting things back on track."Is literally a direct quote from Preach after he finished 7.3.
>>720307631It wouldn't have fixed the expansion, but it would have made having to bare Wuk Lamat far, far more tolerable. I played in English and got so frustrated I changed to JP for the first time in 8 years of play but it still sounded wrong to me so I simply muted all voices. The first time I've ever changed language and then muted the voice audio. I made it to about Heritage Found and then gave up and just decided to skip every single cutscene and even that wasn't good enough because they added in unskippable cutscenes in Solution 9 and also had the escort Wuk around Solution 9 quest.
>>720331841Suck my dick, Crust.
>>720332648That's a toaster bro
>>720332572Yeah I don't know what to say about Preach saying that when all he does is play 2-3 hours of MSQ once every few months and then moves on. He was guilted into doing the raids and exploration zones by his audience and the dev team because they gave him so much access through those interviews but he genuinely doesn't enjoy the game other than the MSQ. He's also on record multiple times saying Wuk Lamats English VA is 'fine'.
>>720286828Nice try ivalicefag, no real FF after X (after IX really but im being generous)
>>720332738I find it hilarious how >fine96% of the time is used because people dislike something but don't want to say it
>>720297336Searching for posts with the image hash ‘Z27wCPK4KUmjNx8fwkdRpA==’. 13 results found.Really spamming this ritual in every thread like it's /vg/!
>>720332863Hit the nail on the head, he knows it's not a good voice performance even remotely but a lot of his audience are left over social justice/ LGBTQ types who eat up the identity shit, anyone with a pronoun in their bio or is part of the progressive stack. So he can't say it's bad but saying it's 'fantastic', no one would believe him so 'fine' is used.
>>720333060I'm not usually a believer in conspiratorial over-analysisbut casting such a blatantly BAD trans VA for wuk lamat was a fucking statement. Whoever did that (and we know it's kate) was willing to put "making a statement" above casting a good VA for the character.That tells me enough about what's going on in kate's head that I don't trust her in anything else either.
>>720332738>your entire livelihood hinges upon viewership of games they like>slip up at any point and they instantly crucify you without hesitationaside from the TOP stuff isn't this what happened with zepla? the wizard game really litmus tested her audience and ousted them as psychopath trannies
i'm seeing double here. 4__ lalas!
>>720333495Wizard game?
>>720333840literally any streamer or vchuuba who played hogwarts legacy got dogpiled by the tranny and tranny apologist twitter/bluesky stackthey even referred to it by nebulous metaphors like "the wizard game" as if naming it directly gives jk rowling power
can i wear cute modernslop in ffxi?
>>720334057the special snowflakes are so sensitive that even saying hogwarts legacy gets them triggered and crashing out will never not be funny to me
>>720334181Eh, to a degreeBut nothing to the extent XIV goes toClosest to modern you're going to get is random T-Shirts and something like this
>>720334057They literally treat Rowling like Voldemort. They refuse to say her name and scratch out her name from the books it's really funny.
>>720335242Black could be anywhere
whos the coolest raid boss
>>720286828FFXII was the best game in the series
>>720336673Come on now.
>>720336673if your gonna be a contrarian at least commit and say 8
>>720334181about as sloppy as i could get it
>>720336529This nigger and it's not even fucking closehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2_YkP63z6sI don't get why it's so hard for these people to make good tanks when just this one fight captures the entire big dick energy protective fantasy every fucking tank player has in his bonesBut instead they give you an agro stance and make you a shitty dps class
>>720337380I made extra sure, when I was still playing xiv, to take any tank main I knew into that fight blind with an offtank who knew to let the newbie grab the shiny.The glee they felt was ALWAYS worth it.
>>720295705>there are so many Jobs that are just completely uselessThat and the amount of gear you need for a single job makes me not feel as invested as I wanted to be in XI. A lot of jobs "sound" cool too, but they're not worth investing in compared to other jobs that can fulfil multiple roles that well like RDM and COR, unless they're super good at their designated role like WHM and PLD
>>720286710And anyone still playing XI is doing it on one of the 10-something 75cap classic private servers. FFXI will be dead until SE cave and release a classic server or two of their own.
it looks like a phone game desu
>>720337672there will never be a ff11 classic as it would make the people who've been sitting on piles of acquired power for decades and paying double sub for enough inventory space angrypower resets are a good thing
>>720295996Wuk is still a hideous transcoded mess of a character. Switching to Japanese only made listening to her less insufferable, but she is still hideous and the script is still terrible.
>>720337672XI is so dead the servers are getting closed because of overpopulation
>>720328475Square Enix is a very poor company. A third-party company is making the mobile version so they have a LOT more money. Square Enix can't afford to make anything but asset flips and HD remasters, it's one of the poorest game companies.
>>720318259Wait does .5 not come out until just before 8.0?
>>720286710Some "wowkiller" this turned out to be
Is 11 fun if I just want to reach max level while doing comfy quests and watching something on my second monitor
>>720338631>questinglol
>>720286764Tell me you were filtered without telling me you were filtered.Fact is, both of those games mog several of the numbered entries, especially story-wise. You just wanna pretend they're not real FFs so you don't feel some weird obligation to play them bc you don't like MMOs lol
>>720306864
>>720338642Explain
>>720308272>>720307809>>720307425You notice they always post their FFlogs instead of a nice screenshot of their victory?Depressing.
>>720306864Remember Rich Campbell?Man that area of XIV was fucking weird but I'd still take it over the state it's in now
>>720338845all progression in ffxi is murder based
>>720338845you don't do quests to level. to level you just kill monsters. quests serve a million purposes but EXP is not one of them. >>720338631>is 11 fun you'll love it or hate it. the story is one of the best in all FF but it's impossible to experience the way it was intended anymore. leveling is just killing mobs in random areas with NPC companions.
>>720327063>going all in on the cyberslop right from the get go
>>720339181welcome to allag swys
>>720318238I'll daugh if they bring X over with a shared sub and XI still remains seperate
>>720339293That's not what Allagan tech looks like, endbryo.
>>720293810We didn't lose a skill we lost the gimmick of our entire class
>>720339368inb4 the retard replies saying that you still have to cast spells so therefore nothing has changed
They killed BLM's timer to remove the fail state but NIN can still bunny
>>720334181kys
>>720337856Most of the people asking for ffxi classic never even played the original version of ffxi. 11 fucking sucked at 50 cap and jobs like red mage were worthless. Its all just nostalgia for when they played the game first.
>>720334181"Modernslop" only exists because the MMO is dying. No live service game fucks with its visual aesthetic this hard unless they need to jump the shark and milk what they can in its last expansion or two.
>>720339515Give them timeThe homogenization fairy comes for all classes in the end
>>720339342allagan tech looks like whatever the fuck the current expansion's writers want it to, swys, only their architecture is consistent
>>720286710Why the fuck are they still asking XIV players to PAY for XIFucker they're the same price, one gets all the support and the other isn't even on Steam worldwide. Include XI as a part of XIV's sub and down the base sub of XI to 8 bucks or so.
>>720286710Don't they do this every once in a while? Has nothing to do with the current shitstorm XIV is in.
>>720340079playonline makes it more of a headache than it's worth and the venn diagram between XI long-term newcomers and current XIV players are two separate circles
>>720289718The real weird part is that us, the walking nuke, aren't really actually needed in the story. We don't do anything important, we don't stop anything without Wuk. Fuck, Sphene isn't even our antagonist. There's no actual narrative reason for you to tag along, and that's why the narrative feels so weird. It's genuinely skipable when the only important tidbit is "Oh calamities remember those" and "Lalas might not be natives to every reflection for some reason, don't ask"
>>720340168That's their problem to solve tho, asking me to pay as much as I pay for XIV? I expect the game to be as idiot proof as XIV regarding accesing it.
>>720340079>Fucker they're the same priceXI for one character costs more than XIV's Entry option does.No one plays XI without a mule either, or at least one extra mog wardrobe at end game, so that's another +$3/mo.
>>720333586Double the dick sucking power!
>>720312407
>>720340241>>720340079Detangling the game from PlayOnline legitimately is a nightmare. Last I recall for XI private servers, it still ends up PlayOnline plays a part in the distribution of the game itself in some way.
>>720340185I recall being pretty instrumental in 7.0's events moving off without a hitch, to say the least of anything involving Calyx.
>>720286710FFXI Blue Mage remains the most interested I have ever been in an MMO class. They really let you do whatever the fuck you wanted back then, I'm hoping devs loosen the reins in the next era of MMOs. Or just remake XI like they were originally planning, corner the niche market of MMO boomers like myself with that and then the comparative normies flood into XIV. Huge market share from both.
>>720341597Those are "allies".
Wish they'd just fucking lift the daily lockout for segment farming. It's fucking horrendously slow lowman and I aint paying chinamen.
>>720342507And yet you'll stay subscribed
>>720295705After Zilart they found their stride with the story. It's still extremely funny to finish Zilart where it's all happy vibes that you and your friends beat the Shadow Lord and then start CoP and they're all like "Bro what are you talking about, you saw the Ark Angels get summoned and passed out in fear." As a cohesive whole it's top 3 best FF but not first.
>>720286828Final fantasy games will never be real final fantasy games as long as they keep making new ones.
