Turn off le game.
>>720289480kino
>it's okay when kojima does it
What's this game about? After it tried to have me kill my fellow humans beings, I refunded it.
>>720289753Kojima is an artist and a visionaryThis garbage isn't any of that
>>720289768You dodged a bullet Many people who finished this still having ptsd to this day
>>720289803counterpoint: sotl is the first third person perspective videogame ever to be actually good.
>Can you even remember why you're here?
>>720290049>Can you even redditmember why you're here?
>>720290049let's be real, when someone is playing the story mode for these shootan games, they 100% don't remember why they're murdering everything 5 minutes in
>>720289890Nope, ape escape invented third person games being good.
>>720289480>Le player/= main character Don't know why billions of shitters failed to realise this simple thing. The story isn't about the player making le impossible choice but Walker being a broken, traumatized zogmutt walking the edge of his sanity .You're not supposed to make any choice , you're supposed to see through the characters eyes. It's one of the few actual good stories in a shooter game.
>>720290049>We have our orders. The moment we break the chain of command, refund the game. Walker, refund the game, do you copy?I clapped so fucking hard back then, back in 2012, when videogames weren't art yet
>>720289768it makes /v/ seethe like no other, therefore it's a god tier game
>>720289480This game is antisemitic
>>720292220>He thinks /v/ is smart enough to realize this
He died in that chopper and the bulk of the game is Walker's purgatory btw
>>720292220This. This interactive shooter game that constantly breaks the 4th wall is actually about this non-character generic american soldier. It's to show how war is actually le bad and traumatizing.
>>720292497Redditgatory theory again? Pretty cringe.
>>720289480Aside from this game, what has made /v/ seethe so hard over loading screen messages?
>>720289480A Great game that got is flowers over the years..
>>720292220Not really because you have to do the fucking actions. It's like saying that Bioshock isn't about you the player, but you the guy being manipulated, but then saying that after the twist you still have to do all the shitty things because that's the story that is supposed to be seen.I don't want to do war crimes and the gameplay is just competent at best. The twist and surprise was there from the moment he was fighting against apparently american soldiers anyways.It's a cop out by people that got duped by the "clever" writing and not understanding that games will always have an inherit interactive aspect and just asking players to keep playing while the character and YOU, by proxy, is a shit bag war criminal isn't fun, entertaining or doesn't say anything at all unless you specifically think war games are super cool power fantasies, which only teenagers and american gun nuts think they are.The definition of a pseudo-intelectual game whose "fans" like to constantly point out that it's meant to be like that.
>>720290782i've read 7 halo books.
>>720292603But war is actually based and funSeriously you guys should try dropping a nade to a bunch of slavs with a drone
>>720292778>I don't want to do war crimes>plays a war game about committing war crimes>>720292847Read a real fucking book then. Pussy.
>>720292847Name themdnnav
>>720292921you don't know what a game is about until you play it, big guy.
>>720292921>he got this tricked by the game and is lashing out
>>720289480If Far Cry 2 was even less subtle, and an worse game too.
>>720292921>plays a war game about committing war crimesThe game doesn't start like that. THE TWIST IS RELIANT ON THE AVERAGE PERSON NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT.The game gives you crumbs until the white phosphorus thing because it's supposed to be at least somewhat ambiguous until that big jump.And then you stop playing because not shit war crimes are terrible, I don't need to actively make myself play half of the rest of the game to understand that. You guys are just jerking off something that would have been an interesting movie, since part of the appeal of a story like that is having your public captive along for the ride. A spectator is passive, he'll have to stick around for the rest of the movie because it will continue with or without it, so spectators will just keep hoping that things improve or change, any hope for improvement, even if they know it's not going to happen. In games, you can stop at any time, the game doesn't progress at all, precisely because of your AGENCY as a player.
>>720293186i'm sure that this is the case and you didn't play Generic Shitty Cover Shooter #320 solely because you've read about how mindblowing it is beforehand on the 'net>>720293379sybau
>>720293379Because while cliche, it is a unique story relative to other games in its genre to this very day.
Americans be like:>why do they hate us so much? We only came to bring democracy and burgers.
i remember there was a schizo ending where the dudes gets killed trying to shoot up his base or whatever
>>720293527if this isn't a comedy series then they really fucked up lmao
>>720293639Yeah
>>720293527Naked Gun ahh sceneario
>>720293639and it's never explained how did he manage to find water and food in that time.
>>720293527>amerimutts be like "I'll go to the other side of the world to do the bidding of Jewish bankers waaaaw I have PTSD now!"pure gutter trash
>>720289803>pretentious game: Japan
>Buy the game to support the devs for making one of the boldest artistic statements of the 2010s>Don't even boot it up once because I'm not evil and don't fantasize about murdering brown peopleI'm the only one who really understood the point this game was making.
>>720289753Yes
I dont really understand the dilemma. Who cares if you use white phosphorus on brown "people"?
>>720292220>The story isn't about the player making le impossible choiceno, but the load screen messages are directed at the player in a derisive, accusational tone.everyone knows this. why is there this huge push to pretend like the game solely shits on walker and never the player?
>>720292220>(You) are still a good person
>>720294801nobody. that's why the load screen attempts at shaming the player don't land in the slightest and can even cause offense.
>>720294801certainly not american soldiers, which makes their in-game reaction mind-bogglingnigga you do this for a living stop LYING
>>720294964I never read them. As the gane would always load too fast.
>>720292778My nigger in ghetto, the game is set in third person perspective to distance you from the character of Captain Martin Walker.The game credits (YOU) using your gamertag as "SPECIAL GUEST" in the opening.>>720293639Once you reach the evil tower of Conrad who's the big bad evil wizard who is responsible for everything, Conrads dead body comes back to life and asks walker if he's a man enough to kill himself for what he's done or is he going to SCHIZOMAXX and you get a count of 5 before the ghost shoots you (walker blows his brains out, credits roll) or you shoot the ghost and finally report the city status, then you have 3 endings based on how you deal with the US cavalry, surrender and go back home, kill everyone who came to pick you up, or fail to surrender or kill everyone and get gunned down.
>>720295364my kids were literate by age 5 and could sightread a whole sentence by 7 you subhuman. my whole post is short and simple enough to read almost instantly and it's 3-5x as long as one of those messages.
>>720293527>and then another old geezer rolled up in a wheelchair to pick up the gun
>>720295538and then the first kid's sister pops out his baby and the baby determinedly picks up the rifle
>>720295516Ok still didn't read lol.
>>720289753Nah, metal gear suck too
>>720294964You took schizophrenic ramblings in the loading screen personal lmao
>>720289480I regret not buying it while I had the chance
>>720289480The point is not to turn off the game. The point is, they know you won't. So why are you playing a game that has you commit war crimes? When it spells it out for you, even, that it's utterly unjustifiable? And why do you feel the need to justify yourself by insisting it's just a game (which they also knew people would do)? Basically, it's about our uncritical relationship to war in video games. And ironically it has only made you critical towards the one game that spells it out for you.
>>720295921What derails it is the developers have a tenuous grasp on what war crimes actually are. Housing civilian refugees in a military camp is a war crime, inadvertently killing them while shelling said military camp is not.
>>720293379>You guys are just jerking off something that would have been an interesting movieNo, it wouldn't have been. Very interesting game though, for precisely the reason you noted. You're not a passive spectator.
>>720294801True, except for me all you Americans count as brown too.
>>720295921If I read Heart of Darkness am I a bad person because of colonialism? I could have put the book down at any time right?
>>720296048Do you really think a soldier who just killed them all would be thinking that rationally in real life?
>>720295895Trivial to pirate.
>>720293379>You guys are just jerking off something that would have been an interesting movie
>>720295880no, i was offended by the game's attempts at shaming me personally with load screens
>>720295921Damn, they got me good.
>>720294964The loading screen tips exist to make you think about Walkers actions
>>720296251You took it personally lmao
>>720296169Soldiers in real life are regularly perfectly fine with firebombing civilians on purpose, but that's beside the point. The developers of the game are using it to try and call out the player, but the player has even within the context of the game not actually done anything wrong.
>>720296139You know, interesting example. Not a single person in history has felt the need to defend themselves for reading Heart of Darkness, saying>It was only a book! I'm not personally responsible for the horrors in Africa!We'd think them mad.And yet, with SOtL, people do it all the time, unprompted. This alone already shows that you know very well what the difference is and why your analogy is disingenuous and self-defeating.Had a guy in an earlier thread tell me playing the game is no different from watching it being played, then gloated that he gad "just finished the whole game on youtube WITHOUT committing any war crimes". He accidentally slipped up and revealed that he intuitively grasps the difference very well. By becoming a spectator rather than a participant he shielded himself from the game's criticism of the player. We all intuitively grasp this, anyone who has ever played a narrative game probably does - and ironically, only this game has people dishonestly insisting games are no different from books, precisely because of how it is different from books.
>>720296596I think you are over complicating the issue. After reading Heart of Darkness the reader should contemplate on the consequences of colonialism and its effects on the outside world they dont regularly interact with. They have become a more informed individual. Imagine if every other book that dealt with delicate issues spent entire pages shaming you for reading it. How is turning the page different from pressing a button.
>>720296589You are full of shit
>>720297059>How is turning the page different from pressing a button.How indeed? You ask it, but you feel the difference.
>>720297420Did we have airmen going mad after Tokyo? After Dresden? Paul Tibbets was never anything but proud of Hiroshima. Napalm sticks to kids.
>>720289480>>720289803I just played this kino and I should have played it years ago. fuck /v/ for lying to me and telling me this game is shit. whoever directed this game did a fantastic job. and unlike Kojima games this one is in touch with reality. because guess what? ZOG does commit war crimes and then advertise it's crimes as liberation or whatever is trendy.>>720292367pretty much why (((they))) are spasming out against this game every day on /v/
>>720300159No, it's not a global Jewish conspiracy, /v/ is just fucking dumb and doesn't understand video games
>>720289480I still have no clue why this gets so much hate. I'd rather play this than any of the pozzed preachy leftoid non-games that came after
>>720289753No.
>>720290049bit on the nose
Kill everything that fuckin' moves.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFMWk6URdCM
>>720295402the ending has multiple layers, with brainlet take being shooting walker equals taking responsibility and shooting konrad equals deny responsibility. It's actually in reverse because when walker and konrad are talking the glass shows walkers reflection. but when choosing which one to shoot walker is no longer a mirror reflection because the game separates walker the player and walker the npc into two beings. shooting walker is denial of responsibility because you basically kapparot the npc walker while shooting konrad is the equivalent of telling the developers "fuck your stupid game"
>>720302917>walker the player and walker the npc into two beingsWatWalker is literally the one character in the game to whom the term npc does not apply
>>720301429>preachyBut that describes Spec Ops perfectly.
You know I think they went over the line when they had Walker rape Kevin Nash while shouting DO YOU FEEL LIKE A HERO YET in that desert
>>720293312I would rather be berated by pretentious loading screens than drive back and forth between respawning outposts in a shitty mini coupe. far cry 2 was worse
>>720289480This is one of the few examples of any media where the term death of the author is actually useful
>>720304031>they went over the line
Why did the devs go ahead and shoot themselves in the foot by claiming the game is directly addressing the player, when they would have had kino by leaving it ambiguous?
>>720304863Claims made outside of the game are not part of the game. That said, it's not exactly ambiguous in the game. It does address you.
>>720305351The loading screen tips can just as easily be inferred to be Walker's internal monologue towards himself.
>>720305421No, not really - one of them says "this is not real" for example
>>720305521Because a shellshocked soldier has never repeated that to himself, right? And even in the gameplay, Walker begins to doubt his grasp on reality when he suddenly becomes aware of a save being loaded.
>>720305697It's specifically in the context that you don't have to care about what happens in fiction
>>720289480>leFuck off
>>720305923That's one way to look at it, which is why I said they had something in their hands if they left it ambiguous.
>>720289753>the guy telling you to turn off the game is an evil government AIhmmmmmm really makes you think (((who))) made spec ops
>>720306065Well if that's what you think, it is ambiguous in the game, so they do have something on their hands.
>>720289480>Do you feel like a hero yet?>Nooo I feel terrible!! Please punish me for my sins! I should be degraded for my actions against these helpless people!!!!KINO
>>720306321Nah, because they made the statement that it was their intention to direct these messages at the player. It isn't in-game knowledge, but it is such that once you know it, any notions to the contrary are not what the devs intended. In other words, it's headcanon and that is worth jackshit.
>>720292220>The story isn't about the player making le impossible choice but Walker being a brokenWho are the loading screens addressing, anon?
>>720289480the most powerful gameweekly threads for 13 years
>>720304863The point of the game is that by buying into the culture of war video games you’re feeding into a propaganda machine that enables real war crimes, you’re not being judged for doing the bad thing in the game you’re being judged for buying the game
>>720289480>game has such a good message against golem behavior its get delistedyjk (((they))) hated this game getting popular
>>720289768meathead egomaniac sent on a mission to check a distress signal. interprets each situation as terrorism, takes matters into his own hands, shooting away problems. the game devolves into psychological surreal horror later.if anything, the story is more a set piece on how bravado and being a know-it-all commander can lead to disastrous results.
>>720308061>didn't get Spec Ops, Poker Night, GTA 3D Trilogy, Prepare to Die Edition, Soul Reaver, Doom 1 and 2stupid delistings
