I'm starting BG1 for the first time, are there any mods recommended for a first playthrough? Is it true there's an incest mod? If so, would it mess up the experience and where would I find it?
Even if you're not into the incest, I would recommend it because it has a friendship path and Imoen, while present in BG2, is basically mute and has no content otherwise.
>>720321206>tranime stylekys Don't play with mods on a first playthrough you retard.
>>720321206It's for BG2, not 1
>>720321485I'll check it out then, thanks. >>720322184That's why I asked specifically for first playthrough mods. I'm not looking for anything that seriously changes the experience. >>720322358Thanks, that'll make it easier to find.
>>720321206I always take Imowen with me on every playthrough. Half the companions have pairs they refuse to part with and she is mine.
>>720322184>I have dogshit taste!We know.
>>720323869My wife Aerie is so cute.
>>720321206You're supposed to bang your sister in 2. You don't know Imoen is your sister in 1.
>>720321206GONNA BE REAL WITH YOU ANON the Imoen romance mod is actually not bad if you don't romance Imoen. I've never actually romanced her but it gives her a few more scenes and fleshes her out a bit. If you're wanting mods on your first run I'd highly recommend the BG1 banter pack since that ALSO fleshes them out well, is mostly in-character, and it'll be getting you to BG2-levels of bantz in the first game
>>720325256https://www.gibberlings3.net/mods/npcs/bg1npc/There's the banter pack, and Gibberlings3 is a good spot for IE mods so you can dig around and see if anything else catches your eye. HOWEVERhttps://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/61015/mod-portraits-portraits-everywhere-for-bg1ee-sod-bg2ee-iwdee-eetI also recommend this. Very much not necessary and you'll occasionally see portraits you know from other games/etc, but I still find it preferable to completely faceless characters
The Bhaalspawn belongs to Viconia!
>>720321206>I'm starting BG1 for the first timeNo you arent
>>720323869the funniest thing in this, is that the Dungeon Meshi creator worked with this because he played OG BG1 and 2 like a motherfucker in japan.
>>720325790I dunno about this, anon. Aerie can fight while pragante because she's just a smelly avariel. But if Vicky got knocked up she'd have that 9-month continual orgasm that drow get from pregnancy because they'd never procreate otherwise. Not sure she'd be fighting well
I need to play the trilogy mod one day before I die. I'm pretty sure most mods work with it.
>>720325932>he
>>720326018Aerie's bones are like steamed noodles, she would be sitting in her autism nest for 9 months, completely unable to move and whining at you to get her candy
>>720325932retard, author is a woman and the daughter of the baki mangaka
>>720325843Yes I am>>720325256>the Imoen romance mod is actually not bad if you don't romance ImoenI'll keep that in mind>the BG1 banter packThanks, I'll try it>>720325631I'll try these too, thanks.>>720326818You're thinking the Beastars author
>>720326818you're confusing the Bearstars creator with the Meshi creator, dummy.
>>720326918>>720326930oh, my bad. meshi author is still a woman tho
>>720326818The author is a woman but not the baki daughter
>>720326918>yes I amNo, you're not. Otherwise you'd be playing it instead of making a retarded "what am I in for" thread and asking for weird fan fiction mods that don't actually alter or improve the game. Go play it and stop milking /v/ for low quality engagement.
>>720321206if youre not playing with enhanced edition, you might want a resolution mod
>>720321206https://www.gibberlings3.net/mods/tweaks/tweaks/all you need. the imoen mod is garbage btw. the old version is rape fanfiction and the newer version is mega cringe.
>>720327386there are mods to un-enhance the enhanced edition and the faggotry beamdog added.
>>720328776Does the enhanced edition add anything especially bad?
>>720329237let someone post the full list of what beamdog fucked with both games
>>720329261https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/66084/is-there-a-mod-that-removes-questionable-changes-beamdog-added-into-ee
>>720329237>>720329261Beamdog is a guilty of a number of different crimes. Here are the major ones.1. The Enhanced Editions are essentially a collection of free mods that had existed for nearly twenty years. Beamdog gathered them all up, slapped "Enhanced Edition" on it and resold it as a new product. There's very very little in the Enhanced Editions that wasn't already out there, and most of it is stuff you don't want (like obnoxious character outlines).2. The games didn't sell so well and the originals were still far outselling them, even twenty years after their release, so Beamdog had EVERY digital distributor stop selling the originals and ONLY sell the Enhanced Edition. If you want to buy a digital copy of the originals now, they're "bundled" into the Enhanced Edition. Now these scumbags can claim sales from people just wanting to buy the originals as their own.3. The infamous 600+ bugs on launch. The game is still riddled with bugs (as even a perfunctory glance over their forums show) but the fact that it took nearly two years for them to get a game that had been working fine for 20 years to reach playability after launch is telling of their wild incompetence.4. This is where we get to the ones that really piss people off. Beamdog couldn't just remaster the game, they had to fuck with the content too. New dialogue for existing NPCs like Jaheira, Viconia, Safana, Kivan, et cetera was written in to make the characters more progressive and leftist friendly. Beamdog shills will argue that "adding content isn't changing content XDDD" but it is when the new content changes the core personalities of the existing characters. This is in addition to adding a slew of their own LGBT (hitherto there were none in Baldur's Gate) NPCs, all flooded with OP attributes and magic items to encourage people to play them despite their cancer.5. Siege of motherfucking Dragonspear.
>>720321206Why didn't you mamoru her egao, /v/?
>>720331558we are at page 5, this thread was almost saged, and miraculously, no one has posted the canon R34 of irenicus railing her
>>720321206>are there any mods recommended for a first playthrough?There's BG2/EE tweaks, those can change a bunch of ittle things; some purely cosmetic, others with actual gameplay impact. You can manually decide which parts you want to install.If you're playing the non-enhanced edition, there's also BG:TUTU, that adds a bunch of fixes, quests and character interactions. It's pretty interesting.>Is it true there's an incest mod?Yeah. never installed it in the many years I've played, but people talk well about it.In any case I personally always take Imoen along in the group, since I think it doesn't make much sense not to bring your childhood friend along.Good luck with the game anon, it makes me happy to see people still playing the originals; they are my favorite games. Hope you have a great time!
>>720329237There are 2 major issues with trying to play BG via EE>it ports the game to the BG2 engine. This causes balance issues (kits aren't made for low level characters and grant abilities that punch above their weight). This is of minimal impact, as both BG and BG2 are exactly as broken as you choose to make them. More importantly, you are simply dealing with different implementation of mechanics, such as the specific handling of spells. It's still a great game, but it isn't the BG1 experience, but as the 2 most popular mods for BG, Tutu and BGT both did that anyway, most people won't care.>the companions added for EE clash horrendously with BG1, as they are frankly too interactive. Of note, the wild mage draws you into unavoidable combat via cutscene where your dialogue is [help] [help sarcastic] and [no, help anyway], which is counter to literally every other instance in the game. This is less noticeable in bg2, as characters are more character driven.There are other issues, and skip siege of dragonspear, but those are the 2 big ones for BG1.
>>720332801hot take but I liked Rasaad and if you can ignore the obvious virtue signaling he's pretty chill. he's still OP like the others tho.
>>720333031Rasaad was ok, but kinda bland.Neera was alright too, but some people consider her a bit of a quirky chungusDorn was lame
>>720333247>Neera was alright too, but some people consider her a bit of a quirky chunguslets not go too far. Rasaad's virtue signaling is about people who are usually violent so he had to be inoffensive. this makes him chill. neera is an unironic special snowflake tranny that even cheats on you if you're weird enough to be into that.
>>720333398>neera is an unironic special snowflake tranny that even cheats on you if you're weird enough to be into that.For real? I never knew thatGuess I'll not be putting her in my group anymore
>>720333547it's "magic tranny" stuff but yeah she's the worst of the 3 which says a lot considering dorn is an edgelord rapist. rasaad is ONLY passable by being inoffensive. really just getting the "remove ee" mods overall is advisable.
>>720324017Pic related fits the base style of BG I & II best.
>>720324017Aerie's voice also fits her dungeon meshi pic perfectly.
>>720333678Cute, but i just run the dungeon meshi portraits at this point.
>>720322184>tranimeWhy do newfags have such stupid fucking memes?
>>720333786Shartrannies forced this meme
>>720322184Anime website
>>720334178What's this?
>>720333247>Neera was alright too, but some people consider her a bit of a quirky chungusThe funniest thing about Neera was that her writer had such a spiteful hatred of Anomen that they wrote him as an aggressive suitor who Neera is disgusted by. Really says it all about how she's written.
>>720322412>>720321206There's nothing I'd recommend for a first playthough. MAYBE Rogue Rebalancing if you really, really want to play a Bard or single class Thief kit as your PC. There is an Imoen romance mod. Its fine, but the original romances (Aeria, Jaheira, Viccy) are all better IMO. Just keep inmind that tey all have ratial preferences. Dwarves get no love.
>>720334531To be fair, Anomen is kind of a lame romance option. I'm no woman, so I don't know what they want, but I reckon that if they were gonna put just one option for women, they could've made a more likeable character.He is interesting in the sense that, depending on how you handle his quest, he can change his alignment and behavior, but personality-wise the dude is a a bit too pompous an full of himself.
>>720335142only fags take Anomen anyway. Keldorn is the real mans paladin.>muh cuck storyit's realistic and well executed regardless of how you handle it.
>>720335205Yeah, Keldorn's the man. Heroic, no-nonsense, and his kit is really good. I always put him in the group, but unfortunately I remove him as soon as his quest is done, since I think it'd make more sense for him to maybe retire and spend time with his family from now on rather than going away from home again.
>>720335205>>720335142I find him entertainingly pompous, so I tend to like having him in my party, although I can imagine he's not the best romance option in the world. I also don't like keeping Keldorn around after his personal quest, feels pointless to go through all that shit and then keep him away from his family.
>>720335362>>720335373yeah I replace him with viconia since they can't hang out for long anyway. if I ever need an extra for a quick quest I just pick him up for a bit.
>>720335373Also, Anomen is one of the best characters in the game, mechanically speaking (especially once his personal quest is done and he gets that Wisdom bonus). Fighter/Cleric is just too strong.
>>720332801>>the companions added for EE clash horrendously with BG1, as they are frankly too interactive. Of note, the wild mage draws you into unavoidable combat via cutscene where your dialogue is [help] [help sarcastic] and [no, help anyway], which is counter to literally every other instance in the game. This is less noticeable in bg2, as characters are more character driven.I'm too lazy to get a screenshot of it, but there is a third option where you just tell her to fuck off and don't get thrown into combat.
Since the thread is going, are archers bad? Never played as one, wanted to try, but it feels kinda bad to be useless in melee...
>>720326538>she would be sitting in her autism nest for 9 months, completely unable to move and whining at you to get her candy
>>720335605Might be true now, wasn't true on release. You refusing to help just had her say>cmon!and the red wizards attacking you too, just in case.
>>720336042Ranged weapons dominate BG1, the weapons are just vastly inferior in bg2 compared to melee.
>>720326818YOU RETARD
>>720329237The new companions are just really fucking gay. Maybe the monk is alright. He seemed to be inoffensive. But he didn't fit my party. The rest is genuinely awful. The half orc blackguard I even kinda liked just turns into a big fucking flaming faggot in 2. It's better to just straight up remove that shit.
>>720331558Imoen's kidnapping hit me almost as hard as Kouhime's stuff in Sengoku Rance.
>>720331864I don't think I've ever actually seen that. I've only seen a couple good pieces of original BG porn and one is Jaheira being assfucked by a kobold and the other is Dynaheir being raped by a gnoll
>>720334531>her writer had such a spiteful hatred of AnomenOh shit. I've never taken Neera in a party but I also hate Anomen so my next run I'm going to have to play a good aligned party and take them. I wonder what good (Allowing for dips into neutral) party has the most friction in the banter without going to combat or leaving the group. I think there's some catty shit with Aerie and Jaheira but I can't remember if it only triggers with Vicky around too
>>720338552All the female romance options are catty with each other, but it never gets physical. However, Viconia and Aerie are specially so, they are polar opposites.Viconia does get into a lethal fight with some with they are in the group long enough (Valygar and Keldorn, if I remember correctly)
>>720336042Archers are great. Dominate BG1, Great in BG2 fall off a little in late ToB, but still good. Go Short Bow or Crossbows. Archers are also good since they are one of the best uses for the Simulacrum from Vhalior's Helm. You don't really need more than two melee frontliners, and there are lots of options for that like Jaheira, Anomen, or Haer'Dalis. My suggestion is to play what you want. You can always find a party that will make it work around you.
>>720333247>>720334531On the other hand if you want to completely put Neera in her place Valygar does that.
>>720321206Be sure to go to the upper floors of the friendly arm inn. There’s a couple of questions givers with relatively easy quests.
>>720338552Korgan is technically Evil, but not in a particularly meaningful way, iirc, and has some great banter with Aerie. Worth considering, unless you're being hardline about the no-Evil restriction.
>>720339538That's because Valygar looks like a professional BBC Street NiggaIt was never an issue in the past and I still take no issue to Valygar looking black. He's grandfathered in so to speak.
>>720339968Main/only reason I'd focus on good is because I play evil 90% of the time since all the evil party members are more fun. Korgan does have some fantastic bantz with everyone though
>>720338552This page has the RAW number for the non-EE members:https://sorcerers.net/Games/BG2/bg2_npc_banters.phpThe best for catty dialogue is usually to mix a little evil into a good Party. Korgan and Edwin are great for this. Edwin in particular thanks to all the reactions to his personal quest, and Korgan because needling weaklings is his hobby. You just have to watch out for Edwin&Neera, Korgan&Aerie, or Keldorn&Everyone evil except Korgan.Good-Neutral conflicts to the point of leaving the party are extremely rare. Honestly I can only think of the Charname-Aerie-Haer'Dalis love triangle causing that.
>>720340375Oh. There's also fuckup edition Anomen and Keldorn.
>>720340445Also the fuckup Anomen and Aerie.
>>720321206My sisterwife!
>>720321206>>720326918Enhanced Edition? Then this is a must: https://argent77.github.io/A7-NoEENPCs/index.html Don't poison the experience with Beamdog's shitty fanfic companions nobody asked for. Just install this with "Disable all NPCs" and call it a day!
>>720321206If you're playing enhanced edition, disable the new characters. That's all you really need.
>>720341782If you know what stuff is EE and what was original, you can make do with ignoring the EE, and Beamdog did make it pretty easy to not require it. Neera gives me a Gem Bag for the trouble and whatever odd gear she had on, while I can just tell Rasaad to go and then just not talk to Dorn Il Khan.
Never played BG3, I'm confused how the fuck they managed to justify another bhaalspawn existing if charnam and literalwho bhaalspawn killed each other to make Bhaal return?
>>720342732It follows from the canon of Abdel Adrian, the canonical Bhaalspawn that nobody likes. They also retconned a lot of other shit.
>>720339968>>720340102He also has a good one with Imoen. Reminds me of that Samurai Jack episode, where he meets the Scottman.>>720342732Despite being technically a 'good game', BG3 is a disgrace to the series. It just shits on the lore and on the old characters.What they did to Minsc, Jaheira and Viconia is unforgivable, it legit made me uninstall the game and never go back. I wouldn't be so pissed at the game if they steered the fuck away from the old charaters and lore as much as they could.answering your question, I think they justify it by saying that the canon ending had the charname choosing to remain a mortal. It reminds me a bit of the Star Wars sequels, what with the 'somehow, palpatine has returned' nonsense and all .
>>720323869MAZZY IS THE GOAT.
>>720344205*MaggyBut yeah, she is pretty cool, a shame she doesn't have many interactions in the default game, although there are mods to change that.
>>720343996They did my man Sarevok dirty, too.Of them, I'd say Jaheira was the least fucked. Still, of the old love interests of the old games, Aerie wasn't included which makes me glad. She won.Anomen, too.
>>720321206bg1 is such a piece of shit gameand so boring too what the fuckis bg2 worth suffering through this piece of shit?
>>720338407943848 at paheal
>>720345323BG2 is worth skipping all of BG1, your suffering will feel alleviated like you just entered heaven
>>720345715nice i might just do that
>>720345323I'd unironically suggest you to wait 5-10 years and then try again. I remember not really appreciating BG1 when I was young, preferring flashy and "epic" BG2 over it. Nowadays, after playing all those RPGs that basically do the same thing over and over again I can say that I like BG1 a lot more. It doesn't think it has cool characters and amazing story you absolutely must interact with, it gives you true freedom of actions, you can skip whole chapters if you know what you're doing, and the party members have just enough flavor to be memorable without forcing you to watch a tryhard school play every time you interact with them.
>>720321206only thing you really should get for an EE first ever run is the mod that removes all beamdog additional NPCs to the gamehttps://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/43074/mod-disable-enhanced-edition-npcs-for-bg-ee-bg2-ee/p1
>>7203269188 bucks after 30 years, kek
Throne of Bhaal should have had you traveling the whole Forgotten Realms looking for other Bhaalspawn. There'd be different Bhaalspawn at different locations Megaman style.
>>720346082In theory yes, but I'd say it already overstays its welcome being as short as it is. High-level DnD really isn't that much fun.
>>720346082The problem is that Wizard of the Coast made 3E at the time, and they didn't want the next BG game to use the AD&D ruleset. Part of the fun of BG is to be able to easily port your old character into the next game, and AD&D and 3E isn't 1:1. So instead, Throne of Bhaal had to be an expansion rather than a stand-alone game like I think it deserved to be.
>>720345323BG1 can be rough at the start because of how dogshit low level AD&D characters are but once you get to like level 5 it's pretty fun. Durlag's tower is probably my favorite dungeon in both 1 and 2
>>720321206None. Play the game the way it was intended or fuck off back to plebbit.
>>720346189Just don't give even basic footmen -10 AC and thAC0 and magic immunity. Give passages where you boss rush minibosses from earlier in the game to show how OP you've become.
>>720346535Yes daddy I want to play vanilla shapeshifter I've been a bad bhaalspawn!
>>720346714No such thing you daft retard. Kits didnt exist in BG.
I was having fun with my BG2 replay then I just dropped it and uninstalled with for no reason...
>>720347278It happens more and more often to me. I can stay all night playing some game I like but in the morning I just can't remember why I bothered, and I don't play it again for years and years to come.
>>720347278the ellipsis really emphasizes the whole mystery of why you did that
Go back and play through with a level 1 thief soloIt's fun
>>720339968>>720340102Korgan/Mazzy is my OTP.
>>720347868>personal quest makes him the strongest party member>has god tier interactions with best party member Keldorn>makes sensitive nerds seetheI love this smug bastard like you wouldn't believe.
>>720345841 Based take, anon. BG1 really hits different when you go back after drowning in a decade of "cinematic" CRPG slop where every recruitable NPC has more dialogue than actual utility. There's a certain charm in the simplicity-rolling dice behind the scenes and letting you carve your own path without a leash tugging you toward the next melodramatic backstory dump. The low-stakes adventuring and wilderness crawling feel more grounded and rewarding, like you're actually just a scrappy nobody trying to survive in the Sword Coast.
>>720325932She also wrapped up Dungeon Meshi's story specifically because Baldur's Gate 3 was going to come out and she knew that she'd never get back to work once it did.
>>720345841Same. I mean, I do love BG2, but BG1 does feel much more genuine. However, it is not a game for everyone, certainly not for people used to more flashy stuff all the time.
>>720348379Fantasy Riker was one of the designer's babies, because Anomen was just the character he was playing as in his own D&D campaigns; the haughty squire who aspires to be a knight and looks for any way to prove himself worthy, while struggling with his own ego; the very thing that could break him away.Also, Aerie made a lot of troons seethe, too. This makes me happy to put up with her initial whiny personality with a smile on my face.
>>720348379Is he that good? I've only done one run of the game but because I was the fighter cleric dual class I left him behind the entire game
BG1 plays more like an CRPG than 2 does.
>>720348798What do troons have against Aerie?
>>720348540It's a small thing, but I like how the game doesn't shower you with magical items early on. Just getting a +1 sword that doesn't break whenever you hit something with it feels significant. Too many games ruin the feel of treasure by giving you so much it becomes meaningless.
>>720349096I think it was one of the Beamdog devs? She hated Aerie. She was a "damsel in distress". You know, Identity Politics/Culture War Jewry.Plus, Aerie has your children and actually loves your character with no regrets.
>>720349115You can get a +1 dagger right off the bat if your charisma is high enough and you do the candlekeep guard captain mini sidequest.Yeah granted, its just a +1 dagger, but it's pretty neat
>>720345807Fucking loserPlay bg1 and carry your hero until the end of throne of bhaal. The feeling you get for having spent 200 hours from literally nobody to godhood is unlike anything other games can give. Part of the fun IS is the slog in constantly getting killed by low level shit.Play the original trilogy through and only use classic characters
>>720349115it really is a shame that the weapon breaking shit goes away instantly after finishing the iron mine. you should be forced to buy a whole new set of standard weapons made with good iron, and all bad iron weapons should have name changes to reflect the poor quality of the craftsmanship.
>>720349482Having to kite the damn black bears at the first florest with my charname + imoen will always be memorable, damn mofos usually 1-hit me
>>720333247I never found Rasaad and Neera to be that bad, just annoying and Dorne was really dumb and edgy but you could just ignore him.However the worst of the lot by far was Hexxat in BG2. I have never seen a character be such an obvious author PC insert as her and how almost everyone bends over backwards to praise the evil murderous vampire is disgusting.
>>720349096she's a cute, feminine and innocent woman and not a girlboss or a whore
>>720349073They both "play like a CRPG." BG1 just has a pseudo open world whereas BG2 fully abstracts the world locations outside of cities into travel time. BG2 is still quite non-linear for the bulk of content as seen in Chapters 2 and 6.
>>720350069>almost everyone bends over backwards to praise the evil murderous vampireI never even went far enough to see that because I just straight up killed her as soon as she murdered Clara. The game seems to expect you to just let that slide and go along with things but I said fuck no, and killed the bitch before she could leave.In general the sense I get from the Beamdog characters is that the game really wants to force them on you.
>>720349096She is hated because she is the damsel trope that lives a happily ever after. This is a point of contention for many people that of the midwit variety.
>>720350069>However the worst of the lot by far was Hexxat in BG2Yes, absolutely. I also did exactly the same as >>720350350.This whole Hexxat thing should've been a choice-based thing, you either help Clara or Hexxat, and depending on who you choose they get to join the group if you want. Or at the very least there should be an option to stop Hexxat from murdering Clara.I don't get why the hell people liked her back then, she always seemed like a real forced douche, and I hate mofos like that. Dorn is another douche that I despise, specially in BG2.
>>720350678At least with Dorn, you can walk past him and you can act like he was never there at all. Clara has a small scene, but you can refuse her. Etc Etc.
>>720321206
Weimar already had a better vampire companion mod 25 years ago. Bodhi assigns you that vampiress contact as an ally, and you could help her grow STRONGER until she kills Helsing vampire hunters and is able to usurp her mistress Bodhi to seize control over the kindred.
>>720321206You don't generally need mods for BG1&2, it's a fairly solid game without them. That said, spell revisions and sword coast stratagems are great, the first rebalances some of the spells and fixes some problems with them, while the second improves the enemy AI among many other things, if you're looking for a challenge, that's the way to go. I also recommend Ascension, one of the original devs worked on it, throws in some absolutely crazy shit towards the end of the game that actually makes the bhaalspawn feel as much of a demigod as he's meant to be at that point.>spoilerYep, it's not a problem having it either, since by ToB, your party members questlines are resolved and they won't be talking much anyway, even the typical composition restrictions don't apply, so it doesn't take away from the game. Might find the writing a bit cringe, however. You can take it or leave it.
