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Why'd he do that?
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Because the writer felt like the story demanded it, and your choices don't matter.
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Is this the thread?
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>>720340682
It did feel like the most contrived part of the season
Literally zero reason for it to happen and you have characters screaming at him to stop
Could have written it to be less that he's a dumbass
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>advocate gun violence
>get killed by gun violence

The writers were making a "you reap what you sow" message
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Asian
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>>720340438
Choices don't matter, also, rightoids seem agitated, hope they go after destiny or Shrunkenhead Piker, any of those two dying would be amazing!
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>>720340683
Yes this is the daily walking dead season 2 thread
Did you think Kenny did nothing wrong
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>>720340790
What the fuck could Destiny possibly have to do with The Walking Dead? They're two completely different games in radically different genres. And what the fuck is "Shrunkenhead Piker?"
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>>720340764
Where did he advocate gun violence?
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>>720340910
He's alluding to the OP image being a reference to Charlie Kirk's assassination earlier today. On that note, I do think that was the point of the OP.
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>>720341143
Who? Is it an "assassination" if you're some random nobody? Isn't it just "murder" at that point?
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>>720341143
This >>720340910 is OP just being a retard
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>>720340790
*or Vaush
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Its funny cause theres one faggot going through about 100 proxies spamming the board. No one cares about your literal who streamer that got shot and he will be forgotten by tomorrow
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>>720341258
depends on the motif, in this case it was for political reasons so I think it can be called an assassination
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>>720340806
we haven't had a thread in over a week
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>>720340438
because he's spiritually ben
this was obvious the second he nearly shot clementine in s2e1
he was cool though, a shame he was effectively removed from the game after his potential death in s2e2
he even has a bunch of cut lines for the extended herd escape in s2e3, so i assume he had much more than that for the rest of the episode at one point
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>>720342530
Charlie Kirk from the video game adaption of Walking Dead was a big deal though.
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>>720340790
>rightoids
>doing anything at all
>ever
the q tards are already banning anyone even hinting at doing anything a little more violent than rolling over. rightoids are fully kiked. i can respect the left for realizing they're losing the culture war pretty badly, so they're just killing their political opponents now. contrary to popular belief, you can literally kill the other side until they have no one left.
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nobody cares about politics
post clementines
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>>720340438
I hate how Nick stops existing after episode 2, the idea of characters dying early is neat on paper but awful on practice if they won't do anything with them afterwards
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>>720343840
if i had to guess each s2 episode was supposed to end with a cabin person dying
s2e1 originally had pete dying no matter what, and the choice was supposed to go with nick or with alvin and luke, who were originally there helping with the fish traps
i think alvin was supposed to be killed in s2e2, and nick was determinant, but they changed it so both of them were determinant but had next to nothing in next episode
the next few episodes have calros, rebecca, and sarah always die, although i feel like sarah was supposed to have more to her
and then luke dies because bonnie is a stupid bitch who either kills him herself or gaslights a child into doing it when he's plain as day telling them to keep away from him so he can pull himself out
i feel like nick and sarah were supposed to be like conrad in s3, where they're determinant but can make it to the end depending on your choices, but this got axed during the myriad of issues s2 was going through
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>>720343753
This girl is the antichrist
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>>720344236
just because almost everyone who's met her had died horribly and touching her hat is a death sentence doesn't mean she's the antichrist
she's just cursed to a lifetime of suffering is all
how long do you think ericson's lasts after s4? i'm betting a month or two at most, once she gets her peg leg it's over for those kids
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>>720344391
Depens on what they're up against, if they keep hidden and it's only walkers they might last a while but if more raiders show up they are screwed. Clem fucking off like in those comics would mean game over for most.
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>>720340438
The guy was making a move. He had to get it on.
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/v/ will be unusable for awhile it seems
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Because he's fucking retarded, like every single adult in Season 2 except Kenny (and he was stupider than S1).
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>>720345834
given that they're opening up to start trading with nearby settlements at the end of s4, it's only a matter of time until most groups in the area know they're there
and while i don't believe abel saying that the delta was the least bad of the larger groups nearby, the less than savoury types will 100% go hunting for the school full of teenagers
i think clementine fucking off is believable enough, there's some implication that staying in one place too long causes her ptsd to start flaring up, and any settlement she's been at too long goes up in flames 100% of the time
if tenn lives then they're giga fucked, especially if louis died
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>>720346202
give s2 kenny a break, carver gave him brain damage
and the adults only became retarded in s2e3 onwards, i guess just being near carver makes you retarded unless your 11
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>>720346424
Brain scans of Clem's mental health during season 2
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>>720348241
not enough people talk about how mentally fucked up clementine was in s2
if it weren't for kenny and aj she might've turned into a sociopath to prevent future emotional trauma
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>>720343840
Why is she sweating and what is she daydreaming about here (serious)
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>>720348871
i think she's embarrassed that she's the one protecting the adult because he'd die without her
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Clem cute
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>>720346347
Trading with other settlements would be good depending in how stable the nearby area is. According to what Abel said, the huge war that's being fought hasn't reached the zone, hence they could focus their efforts in abducting new members, I also don't buy they are among the least bad ones, but I could see other groups being just as bad if not worse. From what little we know about that "war" the whole thing involves multiple communities and even Clem said the area was a warzone two years before the events of the game, so maybe things just escalated and won't die down anytime soon.

I also remember how they mentioned they saw a caravan of people, which makes me imagine that groups of survivors are leaving in mass, away from the warzone, maybe things would get too crowded in the area and they would have to deal with refugees. Worst case scenario is that these groups of people could be followed by those war-waging settlements, like a large-scale Carver scenario.

I feel the same with Clem wanting to leave if her mental health starts to degrade from staying in one place for so long, having to adapt to her new reality would be hard because it goes against what she's forced herself to be used to, one thing is that she might take AJ with her. Leaving him at the school is a huge leap, I could see some reasonings for her to do that but it's really hard to see happen without some major explanation. Big problem that I have with the comics, is not that I can't see Clem going from "Point A" to "Point C" but if all "Point B" gets is an off-screen explanation instead of a proper exploration then I'm just not believing it.
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>>720340438
Because the writers wanted constant drama and Season 2 and beyond was shit because of it.
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>>720348871
It's a silly joke about how some of the last words uttered by Uncle Pete, were asking Clementine to look out for Nick, she's imagining herself doing that.
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>>720350454
True
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>>720348560
Glad someone saved that image from a couple threads back. I thought she looked a little too brown maybe but it's still peak Clem.
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>>720348560
Falling in love with sociopathic evil S3era Clem (If I touch her, she'll blow my brains out but cuddling is the only thing that makes her screaming, terrified awakenings from horrible nightmares stop(out relationship is complicated))
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I stopped at Season 1. Did I make the right call?
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>>720348560
She was the one that kept her shit together the most but then you notice how rare was the sight of her smile in S2. She for sure would have turned way worse if she didn't have a few positive relationships, there's peeks of that in S2 and in S3 she's at her most volatile. By S4 she can kinda control that shit, she's capable of making new positive relationships but she also can torture and torment a man past a pragmatic reasons while her boy watches.
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>>720340438
Wasn't he gay anyway?
Also sex with season 1 Clementine to repopulate HUMANITY
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>>720353384
Nothing tops Season 1 as a whole writing wise but there's some high moments among the rest of seasons that match that level.
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>Really interesting set up in episode one of Clem being able to use the fact she's a child to her advantage since everyone under estimates her
>This basically gets binned after the first episode of S2

I like S2 over all but there's a lot of missed potential in it thanks to it being a rushed rewritten messed up production BTS
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>>720353384
Yeah.
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>>720353384
If you liked Kenny play Season 2
If not you got filtered and should kys
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>Sees a scared kid that's pissing himself over the fact that she escaped the room
>Disarms him by scaring the shit out of him, pointing a knife to the jugular
>Only backs off when someone is aiming at her head with a bow, doesn't give a shit the kid is nearly crying.
Killing kids is fair game because Clem sees herself as a kid
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>>720356421
I did like Kenny actually. So I should play season 2 then stop?
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>>720356486
Yes pretty much
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>>720353834
>season 1 Clem
Look man, I love tiny Clem too, but procreation? Super fucking risky. The amount of complications getting pregnant at that size would cause would be way too dangerous in a world without hospitals. A C section alone would be a harrowing undertaking.
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>>720356024
Yeah that whole section of episode 1 was great, even in episode 2 there's some bits of this idea still, like her bluffing with Carver or how Clem admits to Kenny's friend at the lodge that she has taken advantage of everyone underestimating her before. Episode 3 could have run wild with this setup, when they are at Carver's camp and he shows interest in her, Clem can even choose lie to him that she'll take his side and help but nothing comes from this because this plot ends on the same episode.
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>>720343753
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>>720353834
Season 1 Clementine is pure
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>>720356668
Earlier apocalypse stages, plenty of survivors with past medical expertise, part of the power grid are still not compromised, seems like a good plan
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they ruined her character in season 4
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>>720359857
Clem was good there
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>>720340764
>"against" guns and fascism
>shoots people who disagree with you
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>>720359857
Uhhh how?
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Yikes
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>>720356485
clementine emotionally died in that jewellery store with lee
she puts up a tough front, but she'll always be that scared 9 year old at heart desperately trying to remember lee's final instructions
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>>720368809
the edge kino we never got
the edge kino we deserved
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQgDn5rfs8g
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Legitimately how was she not raped or put into positions requiring her to use her body
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>>720363547
Neither side of the aisle has any principles or morals. They simply want to get in power to enrich themselves and oppress those who they think are acceptable targets.
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>>720369950
she lucked out with her first two major groups having people who didn't want to rape her
by s2/ s3 she's capable enough to kill anyone who would want to and multiple people would need to hold her down, which she wouldn't let happen because she's too street smart to let herself get into that situation
i think the closes she ever got to being assaulted was with danny though, maybe troy but iirc he was supposed to be fucking jane in the script and probably didn't care about clementine
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>>720353392
in s2 there are a couple times where she looks like she's on the edge of a breakdown but manages to push through it until the end fight, kenny and jane trying to kill each other along with aj being presumed dead was too much for her
iirc one of the devs for s3 said that clementine would've gotten herself killed if she hadn't found out that aj was still alive, something along the lines of her picking a fight over something that ultimately didn't matter and dying for it
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i liked javier he was just surrounded by shitty characters
should have been the son that got shot instead of the girl
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>>720371947
javi was cool, easily the best part about s3
iirc the original story for s3 would've been about javi and clementine being prison buddies after being caught by new frontier and working together to get their families back from them
iirc kate wasn't a thing in this early draft, it was david, marianna, and gabe, and aj for clementine
unfortunately the closer we get to the s3 we did get, the more assets for marianna being dead are made
we also got robbed of seeing clementine's first day, which was supposed to play right after javi's in s3e1
it took place directly after clementine's last conversation with her parents, the same one in the s2e5 trailer
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>>720340438
wasn't his leg broken anyway and he couldn't jump the gap? He's deadweight. He would have either died by zombies or fall to his doom anyway.
Nothing you could have done would have saved him. It may be a mercy to just kill him there instead of letting him be eaten and turn into a zombie.
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>>720368809
Spooky
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>>720348241
kek
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>>720368809
I'm still pissed I was denied my edgekino.
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For the lulz
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>>720363547
That's usually what happens with people that are "against" guns and call everyone fascist.
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>>720368809
The kino we lost
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>>720370110
I don't know. The side that is shooting people for talking seems pretty damn evil. Especially then celebrating the death afterwards.
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kek pretty smart.
gj whoever came up with it
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>>720373931
Ive actually seen leftists say the whole "yeah. He sucked but he still had a family and people that loved him" thing. But at the end of the day, I payed no attention to the guy and turning point, simply dont listen to or follow people you dont like and share views with. Thats what I do and in the past day ove seen more about Charlie than I ever have in my life. Why? I dont look for it, my views dont match his so why the fuck would I pay attention to him? Yeah, he said shit people didnt like, but free speech, and the choice to not
listen to it.
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>>720369667
I want a remake. The edgekino simply needs to be put to screen.
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I wish AJ didn't exist or at least was given away to someone else to raise. I have no interest in Clem raising AJ.
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At no point in any of the games was Clem ever not erotic
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>>720376110
He didn't deserve it
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>>720371947
He was fine, the whole season is the problem, they butchered it.

>>720372209
Axing the original story was a huge mistake, they deleted the main thing that connected Clem and Javi, a duo of broken people that will do anything to save the only people left from their past, because they thought this story wasn't true to the spirit of The Walking Dead or some shit, and then they proceed to stitch together a worse version of the love triangle from first two seasons of the TV show.
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Fellow humans, we must accept the infected for who they are and acknowledge our uninfected privilege
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>>720371947
With S2 having like 5 different endings, they should have used S3 to be its own thing and just have a reference to whatever ending you got. Having Clem be part of S3 was a huge mistake.
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>>720340682
>muh choices
Incel delusions
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What was his deal anyhow?
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>>720353384
Kenny returns in s2 while Lilly return in s4
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>>720340806
Kenny did a lot wrong but the core problem is they pitted him against Jane then made Jane an absolutely insane crazy psycho-bitch who abandons babies in cars in the winter of an apocalypse, gets knocked up and commits suicide leaving two kids alone.


If S2 wanted a real choice I would have swapped Jane for Luke, at least he was well meaning.
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>>720353384
S1: Masterpiece
S2: Okay, made worse by S3
S3: dogshit and isnt even about Clementine
S4: Its ok I guess, feels like it got held back by S3 being so bad
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>>720348560
PSYCHOtine is the only way to play Season 2.
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>>720377287
What?
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>>720377251
The og script at least made some sense to why Clem would be part of the story, the rewrites destroy the story and left her with not much to do in the current plot. Instead of being a tyrannical faction that enslaves people, the New Frontier are pretty normal and are completely unaware that one of their leaders is a psycho with a personal group of child-killing bandits, and the whole thing starts because of a can of gas.
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>>720376110
I really wanna play modded L4D2 now
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>>720378287
and some surely out of date puddings
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Kenny was a retard for not being urban enough
So was Lee, if he was a bit more urban then maybe he would not have been bit
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>>720378175
>Wants to watch a man get his skull atomized
My FUARKING hero
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>>720363547
>>720373751
hello federal agent plants
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>>720377287
Yeah bro, the "choices don't matter" brigade always come in hot with that take like they expected an entirely different medium. It’s a Telltale game, not real life, the illusion of choice is half the point. The journey is the focus, not watching your decisions branch into entire new timelines. People acting like it’s some incel fantasy cause they wanted more agency in a story-driven zombie game is peak smoothbrain.
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>>720377351
Ruthless survivor with 2 years of experience in the apocalypse. For some reason, he was really determined to grab a little girl. Unfortunately, he became another Clementine victim. And he was a good friend.
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>>720340764
>get murdered by israel
>leftoids mock you for not being pro gun control
???
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>>720379981
Kenny is florida-man
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>>720375565
I like AJ because Clem cares about him but I can see why some wouldn't. In a way, introducing a baby takes away from the fact that Clem is still a developing child and she comparatively becomes less of a priority to those around her, she is Kenny's secondary priority for example. And the goal now is all about raising AJ without much room to deviate and develop other aspects, she's locked in rasing him, I would like other things for Clem beyond raising AJ, even though I think her motherly aspects are very cute.
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>>720380807
damn near everyone who's crossed paths with her died a horrible death
and this was before she was killing them herself
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>>720388312
I don’t like AJ because it denies Clementine her chance to become something more than just a mother. You see it in these threads too, people loved Clementine as she was before AJ came into the picture, people loved S1 and S2 Clementine. If you’re dead set on Clementine becoming a mother than that should be a choice, not an unavoidable core aspect of her being going forward.
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>>720343427
Charlie Kirk is gonna be the new George Floyd, isn’t he...
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>>720343753
I could dump all my glitch Clementines if you want
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>>720375818
s1 clementine is for hug only
i blame her eyes in s2, they're very nice to look at
s3 clem is too greasy and not in a hot way
s4 is perfect, would make mutts with
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>>720389126
Yeah I can see that and is something that I agree to some degree, the many possibilities for Clem's character are reduced when AJ is made to be the most important person in her life, because he's the top priority now and things revolve around him, her wants and needs take a backseat. It depends on how much you like Clem being a mom, I like it so I don't have a huge problem with that but agree with the sentiment that just being a mother should not be everything there is to her in the late games. The Final Season at least also shows that after a lifetime of experience surviving, she's fit for leadership of her own community. Another problem is that the middle point between S2 and S4 that could be used to explore wheter she wants to raise AJ or not, and gets a chance to do things not revolving around him, is non-existent because that's not her story and the direction was set in stone with no player agency.
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>>720389126
i remember way back when s3 was coming out when people were complaining that her character had just become 'muh aj'
it's pretty crazy how telltale was seriously considering killing him (and potentially clementine) off at the end of s2
iirc he was also little more than a plot device in early s4 drafts, back when ericson's was just the first location and it was more of a travelling story
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>>720374276
>He sucked but he still had a family and people that loved him
seeing both right cucks and left fags using this argument is so funny considering it's 9/11 annivaersary and EVERYONE from both sides celebrated the news of Ben Laden (a loving husband and a father) death
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>>720340764
>>720343530
>t. ranny
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>>720389690
Charlie Kirk wasn't a rampaging ape addicted to drugs
Floyd was also responsible for causing his own death.
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>>720344391
>how long do you think ericson's lasts after s4? i'm betting a month or two at most, once she gets her peg leg it's over for those kids
>who's left at ericsons? Two crippled dykes, two retarded black autistic kids, one fat white chick, one fat slightly crippled black kid, one middle eastern pussy kid, and 1 cooker
>btw there's still a war going on, and lets hope the delta never sends anyone to investigate what happened
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>/v/ hates woke Brown girl protagonists but loves le badass 11 year old who's more competent than adults
Makes no sense
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>>720378175
>>720380807
Topkek
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>>720391612
>i remember way back when s3 was coming out when people were complaining that her character had just become 'muh aj'
I blame how Telltale fucking nuked the multiple endings, decided to lock Clementine's character in the one constant from all these endings and then sideline her story, giving her a few flashbacks.

The early draft of S4 would have worked as an actual S3 and then you have enough build up for a final season. God, when I think about, A New Frontier is the fucking problem.
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>>720374292
Troy should have been a rapist. He gets such a brutal death for no reason
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>>720392158
>two crippled dykes
singletine is canontine
zero chance she goes for the moody bitch or the annoying funnyman, especially not after only knowing them for twoish weeks
her most believable love interest would be james, but he blew it by being gay and trying to take aj away from her if he doesn't die
he can come to an understanding depending on how you argue in the cave though
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>>720340438
just about every action that lead to conflict in TWD could be boiled down to "that was fucking stupid. why did he do that again?"
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>>720378175
I prefer MUTEtine
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>>720373881
you are confusing conservative political terrorism for trannies shooting at kids. different crowds
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>>720392539
all of twd after s1 is a mess
s2 had four different scripts, with the final one being a disjointed mess of the edgy script and the original one
s3 got turbofucked from the get go, they had an interesting initial idea but decided a brother cuckolding story fit better than the two prisoners trying to get their families back story
s4 was more of a road trip thing iirc, clem would meet some of the ericsons people, the place gets overrun, and she goes on the adventure them some of them tagging along
iirc it was supposed to end with clementine getting back to her house in atlanta, idk how that would work though
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>>720392691
>her most believable love interest would be james, but he blew it by being gay and trying to take aj away from her if he doesn't die
Why did they do this
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>>720392750
mutetine is pretty sad
she couldn't deal with the horrors and withdrew into herself
iirc she still talks to kenny in s2 though, sometimes
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>>720392947
something something white men bad
in actuality it was probably by accident that the two of them get along pretty well in s4e2, i think the devs only wanted violet or louis to be her love interests
funnily enough, i think clementine has better chemistry with marlon in s4e1 than she does with violet or louis in the following episode
at least until he tries to kill her, that is
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>>720393998
Clem Drowned...
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>>720394106
damn...
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>>720392437
That's because Clementine was raised by us in one good game plus she is and continued being:

>Cute
>Sassy
>Depressed
>Psychotic
>Traumatized
>Funny
>Cool

Insane how Telltale was a fucking mess, yet they still made a character that mogs every other diversity protagonist from the last decade
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>>720370110
the acceptable targets come here despite america being a white supremacist shithole
funny how that happens
almost like the left is full of shit and the other side is authentic
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>>720394376
/v/ loves their cute single mother mutt daughteru and her black murderer adopted father
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>>720394591
She had both parents
"Had"
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>>720394713
they were already dead when lee found her
and ed isn't her real dad, her mom married/ remarried a different guy
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>>720344391
Clementine is so cursed she even kills people in real life
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>>720395082
when will the suffering end?
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>>720340438
This series went to shit after the first season so fast. Why would a bunch of grown ass adults differ to a nine year old. Only season 4 felt like it was worth a damn and even it was a step down.
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>>720392819
>you are confusing conservative political terrorism for trannies
wasn't it a tranny that shot him?
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>>720395442
Season 4 went as well as it possibility could have been given the shit it had to follow up.

Except the weird romance shit that felt forced
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When you're one of like three sensible and useful survivors but the artificial difficulty kicks in
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>>720395442
i will die on the hill that s2e1 is at the s1 level of quality, and s2e2 is pretty good despite it starting the problem of the adults getting clementine to do everything
rest of the season is ass though, hard carried by kenny and clementine
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>>720395442
kek I remember playing through Season 2 and thinking "Bitch, what do you mean what do I think? I'm twelve. Make your own damn decisions"
It's like they want to keep Clem as a character but had no idea how to write a young teen.
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>>720395660
>luke
>bonnie
>sensible and useful
i'll give you luke for the first two episodes, but as soon as he shows up in s2e3 he causes nothing but problems and gets people hurt and killed because of his lack of thinking ahead
i'm not even going to begin with bonnie
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>>720394591
All in all, how long did Lee and Clem know each other? Like a handful of months, compared with the years she went on being alone?
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why do people only talk about season 2
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>>720396116
Because it's the one that disappointed the hardest
If you play 3 and 4 after 2 you have some idea of how bad it can be
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>>720396116
Not a whole lot to talk about with S1, just the general consensus that it's good, and S2 is as far as most people went with the series. Also, Clementine.
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>>720396116
S1's the classic one
S3's a mess and what potential Javi had as MC was squandered
S4 just, kinda... exists

S2 is interesting to talk about due to Clem MC yet still young enough for her to be unable to survive on her own, Kenny being MVP, and the whole behind the scenes stuff about the reworked scripts and far darker original scripts ie >>720368809
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>>720391875
I'm talking about how America got so angry over his death, even though it was caused by his own actions
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>>720396105
clementine and lee were together somewhere in the ballpark of 3 1/2 months
the reason why she has more of a connection to him than anyone else is because lee taught her the most important things she could learn, and the last few times she actually felt safe were when he was around
for contrast she was with christa for around a year and a half and with kenny for nearly two
she never mentions christa after s2 and only occasionally mentions kenny
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>>720396327
The Democrats are the violent ones
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>>720396116
season 2 had the most interesting development and had at least two different storylines that were vastly more interesting than the one we got
the first one was written by the s1 writers and would've been about clementine and christa repairing their relationship after omid and the baby's death on their way to proto-wellington, and there was another super edgy 'dark' script that served as the beta for much of s2's development, to the point where it seemed to still be the plan when s2e1 launched
we also don't know a lot about the finer details of the darker script, leading to lots of speculation based on what we do know
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>>720396116
Honestly? Because the beta version of S2 feels almost like a creepypasta
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>>720396501
Not American. Can’t tell the difference between them. Both worship Israel.
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>>720396116
For all its faults, s2 is interesting to talk about, s1 is complete but we have talked about it, s3 is a nothingburger and sometimes talk about how they made a cuck your brother adventure, s4 gets some talk too because is the last game but not many are into AJ or the rest of the kids.
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>>720396587
>"to the point where it seemed to still be the plan when s2e1 launched"
It's wild that the reason we have the episode names and cover images is because they were *that* far into developing the dark script before reworking things for the worse
>All That Remains remained All That Remains
>Don't Look Back changed to A House Divided
>In Cold Blood changed to In Harm's Way
>Amid the Ruins remained Amid the Ruins
>Better To Sleep changed to No Going Back
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