>>720380225
Based Lord of Past and the Future

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>>720380225
Why didn’t Dumbledore just use a Time Turner, travel in the past and kill Voldemort and Hitler?

>>720380780
Because it was written by a woman

>>720380780
>and Hitler
goblin hands

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>>720380780
You can't alter the past with a Time Turner. If you go back in time you will only end up creating the history you know.
If they could alter the past then Harry would have been killed by dementors in Prisoner of Azkaban before he got the chance to go back in time and save himself.

>>720380225
...he said calmy

>>720380225
Why does Professor McGonagall look so photorealistic while everyone else looks like a photo poorly stretched over an abstract mesh?

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>>720380780
Why don't wizards just guns?

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>"Help, help! Cedric Diggory has been killed! Yes, Cedric Diggory, my main rival as Hogwarts Champion and object of Cho Chang's affection, has been killed in the maze! Voldemort did it! He's been dead for thirteen years, but he's back, and he killed Cedric! Don't ask how, no one ask how! There were no witnesses, please do not look for any! The other two Champions in the maze were cursed with Imperio! Don't bother fetching your Veritaserum, professor Snape, I believe it's all been stolen. I am so upset right now! Has anyone seen Cho? When do I get the prize money?"

>>720384432
fuck off retard. I'm so tired of this retarded pasta, he WAS fucking blamed for his death in universe, only dumbledore and his friends didn't doubt his story

>>720384856
i'll never stop posting it

>>720380225
Don't the African Magic schools literally use their hands.

>>720384856
In fact I'll join him and save this pasta
What now nerd?

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>>720384974
yea it's disgusting

>>720384432
was hating twilight not enough of a reason

>>720381457
The power of Maggie Smith.

>>720384856
They never really mentioned him being the one to kill Cedric. Just that he was lying about Voldemort coming back to keep the spotlight on himself.

>>720384974
Yeah. Something about not having enough of the right trees to make wands. Works out better for them in a way since they end up not relying on wands, at the risk of blowing themselves up when they're younger.

>>720384974
Casting spells with hands is like eating food without utensils.

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HAAAARRYYYYYY FUUUCKKIINGGGG POTTTTEEERRRRR
DID YOU PUT YOUR FUCKING NAME IN THE FUCKING GOBLET OF FIRE??????

>>720381254
Thats not true because the Harry Potter play uses the time turner to go back in time and revive Voldemort.

>>720390196
Why was he so calm?

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>>720390290
Even the most staunch, hardcore, redditor level fans of the series decanonize or refuse to acknowledge that plays existence.

>>720390614
dude was snorting ground-up bertie bott's every flavor beans

>>720380780
>hitler
wizards wouldn't care about muggle wars

>>720380225
There's nothing wrong with using focii.

But your evocations should not REQUIRE a focus, else you're just using shortcuts like a dirty sorcerer. Be as one with the flow of magic.

>>720380780
The lore is a bit inconsistent but the general rule is that time magic is unstable. You can only go back a few hours without risking serious problems to yourself or the timeline.

>>720390290
Not canon.

>>720381232
heh

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>>720390196
>HARRY POTTER; DID YOU PUT YOUR MOTHERFUCKING NAME IN THE GOLBET OF FIRE?
dumbledore said. He was as calm as the ocean in a painting of an insanely calm ocean

>>720396457
>He was as calm as the ocean in a painting of an insanely calm ocean
I see you, fellow Daoist.

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>>720396457
>He was as calm as the ocean in a painting of an insanely calm ocean
Xianxia is such a dumb genre

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>>720396603
>>720396680
honestly, i'm just a foundation-stage xianxia reader, but shit like "crippled meridians" or "you are courting death" always give me a chuckle

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>>720397142
qrd on crippled meridians?
t. have eyes but can't see mount Tai

>>720380780
I’ve never heard anyone ask questions like this who isn’t a communist trying to ruin a nerd property on purpose.

>>720393056
Unless you’re a muggle fetishist like the Weasleys’ dad.

>>720380225
Harry, Dumbledore, and Voldemort can use wand less magic, squib

>>720397707
Chi/mana flows through your body like a highway, pooling around certain points (below the navel/elbows/knees)
by crippling one of these points you stop it from circulating, giving the other guy thaumatic impotency

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>>720396457
>"Harry Potter! Did you burn your name in the Sacred Ancestor Flame? Junior, you are courting death!" Supreme Elder Dumbledore said, his serene voice calm like a jade lake even as his killing intent filled the room.
>"Haha, a third-rate talent like you really thinks he can compete in the Three Sect Grand Tournament? Boy, get down on your knees and slap yourself fifty times so our sect can save some face! Five hundred contribution points are deducted from the Roaring Griffin Clan!" Dumbledore's wrathful essence poured out like a wave, cracking the stone floor beneath his feet and disrupting Harry's meridians. Harry was knocked backwards, spitting blood!
>”typical”, Harry heard Elder Snape sneer, just before the blackness claimed him
>”Potter has eyes but cannot see Ben Nevis”

>>720380225
Can you name games where magic users use wands? I feel like they almost always use staves or their hands.

>>720397142
I wasn't aware there were Japanese/Chinese fantasy/martial art novels.

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>>720398240
>I wasn't aware there were Japanese/Chinese fantasy/martial art novels.
i'm not sure how you came to that conclusion

>>720398462
...you're not aware how I came to the conclusion that there ARE Japanese/Chinese fantasy/martial art novels? Because the picture I'm responding to says so.
>Japanese novels: I launch fireball
>Chinese novels: I activate my martial art

>>720380780
In most science fiction that would cause big time line problems since that is a massive paradox.

>>720397750
Why didn't Frodo just fly on the eagles to Mordor?

>>720398619
bad wording on my part.
i meant i'm not sure how you didn't piece it together by yourself.
it seems pretty obvious to me that the primary producer of martial arts media would be asia.

>>720397807
>muggle fetishist like the Weasleys’ dad.
Given that he's next to clueless about muggles anyway, some fetishist he is. Although that's par the course for everything he does.
>can't provide for his family since it's borderline broke all the time (Ron is basically doing the first two years of Hogwarts on hardmode since his wand doesn't recognize him as its owner and is then broken and becomes actively dangerous, you'd think something like this would warrant pulling a little overtime at work)
>his kids, clueless about life, abuse each other or get themselves into life-threatening situations he does fuck all about
Pretty much the only thing this consummate professional is good at is fucking Molly, and even then it's probably because he can't use protection properly either.

>>720399064
>>can't provide for his family since it's borderline broke all the time (Ron is basically doing the first two years of Hogwarts on hardmode since his wand doesn't recognize him as its owner and is then broken and becomes actively dangerous, you'd think something like this would warrant pulling a little overtime at work)
You'd think the school could help provide for less fortunate students by lending them a wand or some shit rather than risk the entire school with a malfunctioning wand.

Dumblerdore says those kids need to learn about life and pull themselves up by their boot straps

>>720398619
he's calling you a retard for needing an internet meme to figure out that the japanese and chinese (population five hundred gorillian, famous for martial arts) make their own fantasy and martial arts novels. or did you think they don't have books in china?

>>720399142
Hogwarts being a lethal deathtrap no sane parent would send their child to is a different, albeit similarly funny matter.

>>720380780
Time Turners are extremely weak, they have all sorts of limitations and, if you read the book/watched the film, you'd know they're closed loops, which means that you can't change anything because the sequence of events you experienced were ones that you had actually already used time travel to put in place, and everything you do in the past turns out to either to change nothing or it already changed everything and you used the time travel to change things that never actually happened. Basically, you're already living in a timeline where you used Time Turners to change the past, and using one now just confirms it for you. The only actual use in a Time Turner is allowing the user to be in two places at once (which also already happened, you just didn't realize it). People who travel to the past and run into themselves lose their minds, so you can't Funny Valentine your enemies.

There are better methods of time travel in Harry Potter, though, and they make even less sense.

>>720380826
This is honestly a good response to any Potter questions. I don't even mean that as an insult. Rowling has said several times over the years that it's always adult men who have a problem with the mechanical explanations of magic, Quidditch, etc. in her books. It seems to be a masculine trait to care about stuff like that. Women and children only care about whimsy.

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>>720390196
HARRY DID YOU PUT MY NAME ON WIZARD EPSTIOGGLES FLOO LIST?

>>720399012
>>720399164
It's not that any one of those things is something new to me, it's the combination. Fantasy tends to be more popular with younger demographics, who are less likely to read novels. Martial arts can be difficult to portray with words, so you tend to see it in visual mediums. The only time I ever see fantasy and martial arts combined is in comic books for 13-year olds. I can't even name a fantasy martial art comic for older audiences. So yeah, I didn't imagine there were actual fucking novels about it.

Also, as a Westerner, I can only name like three living Western fantasy authors. How would I have ever heard of a Japanese/Chinese one? Yeah sure maybe I can imagine that, odds are, these books exist, but I'm sure there's a book series about Italian midget soccer players, that doesn't mean I'm not going to be shocked when I actually see it referenced.

>>720382405
Probably because infinite magic is better than limited bullets

>2000s: political activists bullying Harry Potter and trying to get it banned
>2010s through 2020s: political activists bullying Harry Potter and trying to get it banned
Why did we even draw a line between our childhoods and now? Literally nothing has changed.

>>720393830
Unstable but able to be abused several times a day for a whole school term. You're not wrong, anon, the author was.

>>720400227
Social shunning something isn't the same as having the government make something a crime btw

>>720400305
Yes it is.

>>720400356
lol

>>720400440
>”freedom of choice, not freedom from consequences” lives on 4chan now
Avada Kedavra.

>>720400575
Retard

>>720393056
A guy who studied the occult and tried to exterminate anything he deemed impure or a potential threat would find out about wizarding communities eventually. Then it becomes their problem. Even moreso when they have all sorts of artillery, weapons and are developing nukes.

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>>720396162
I messed up, here's the fixed version

>>720399994
You can tell this person was born after 2000

>>720380780
Harry Potter is not for you. Stick to fiction for people on the spectrum. Like hard SciFi or grimdark fantasy.

>>720392917
and I bet the main reason for that is because Hermione is black on the play

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>>720390012
Wands are just a way to canalize and focus the magical energies that a wizard's soul is capable of bringing forth
And on that regard, it seems you can also use other stuff as catalysts, like how mad-eye moody used a staff instead of a wand
The wizards that use just their hands are actually using their fingers as the catalysts
Sure, wands have special properties that can better focus or even improve the strength of a spell, that's why most wizards prefer them, thought that depends mostly on the material they are made of

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>>720380225
the fuck did you just say to me, boy?

>>720380225
wands are cool, they have a purpose. Casting magic with the hands is gay looking unless the magic actually requires hand movement like with doctor strange or ninjutsus

>>720382405
IIRC the explanation is they just don't like modern technology for the most part, or just find it interesting but nothing that can replace their magic. Though a quick draw with a gun can dome almost any wizard before they get two syllables into a spell.

>>720406981
Adult wizards dont need to speak words to cast a spell they can just think it and it happens. But naturally a bullet is still faster.

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>>720380225
Once the character models started looking like the movie actors, it was over.

>>720380225
The lore reason for wands in Harry Potter is that magic flies very erratically without being aimed with an object.

>>720399651
underrated

>>720380225
Ammo users who need to use guns in games to fire ammo are a joke

>>720380225
Why's the teacher got her hand on ron's shoulder?

>>720410174
She has done terrible things to gingers in the great race war between the Irish and English

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>>720410174
Same reason she forced Ron to dance with him at the dance practice class.

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>>720410460
would

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>>720398087
>"PETRIFICUS TOTALUS" he cried, his hard, elderly wand erect in his hands, pointed at Malfoy
>The boy fell in front of the podium, rigid as a board, his eyes glaring with complete and utter shock at the headmaster's actions.
>"COLLOPORTUS!" Dumbledore shot into the air with a roaring boom. locking all the doors in the hall.
>With Malfoy's stiffened body propped up against the podium, Dumbledore turned around, dropped his trousers, and revealed the most very forbidden forest, white, grey, and speckled with brown.
>A magnificent groan echoed throughout the hall, as the headmaster squatted down above the boy's face.
>BRAAAP
>BRAAAAAAPPPPP
>The entire hall gasped in horror as Dumbledore's steaming greenish stink splattered across Malfoy's face. All the poor boy could do was take it.
>A wretched smell filled the air, something worse than a Troll after sweet copulation
>BRRAAAAAPPPP
>"AHAHAHAHa! WELL DONE SLYTHERIN, OH YES SYLTHERIN EXCELLENT INDEED! HEHEHEHE!" Gandolf bellowed insanely as his brown bowel brew blasted forth from his prolapsed butthole, gushing hot torrent after gushing hot torrent
>"BRRRAAAAPPPP
>The Professors threw their heads back in hysterical laughter. There was no question that they were having the time of their lives, watching as Dumbledore's putrid poop potion plastered Malfoy's prissy pretty boy face.
>BRRAAPP
>The students were in chaos. Slytherin House was absolutely humiliated as their Headmaster's cankerous colon concoction encrusted Malfoy's face, his clothes, and the floor, spreading through the entire hall.
>Eventually Dumbledore's fecal fountain floundered. He pulled up his trousers, angrily screaming calmly "DID YOU SLYTHERIN SCUM SINCERELY SURMISE THAT I WOULD LET YOU WIN ANYTHING?! YOU ARE SATAN'S CHILDREN! YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE WARS IN HISTORY! YOUR CRUCIFIED OUR LORD AND SAVIOR, JESUS CHRIST!"
>The entire hall erupted into applause at Dumbledore's righteous rebuke of the demonic Slytherin kikes. The end.

accio hermione's panties

>>720411446
casting reducto on Hermione's panties!

>>720380780
Time is like a piece of code that only allows to happen things that are compatible with the program running right. The only time turners that exist are those that allow things unfold exactly as they have.

How high is the rape rate in the wizard world where people can mind control others, adopt the appearance of others and delete any memories they want?

>>720412116
You know, for a strong advocate of giving women exclusive spaces and not giving in to troon rhetoric, Rowling didn't really thought through the polyjuice implications

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>>720380780
Because of the time paradox maybe ? If you kill the devil before he did bad things then you had no reason to go back in time to kill him at first.

>>720410956
>Gandolf bellowed insanely
lmao

Wands are the lamest way of spellcasting.
From coolest to lamest, the ranking is as follows:
>using a staff
>reading a spell from a book or scroll
>using your hands
>using a wand

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>>720384432
HER WHOLE NAME WAS CHO CHANG?

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>>720411446
SEXO on Cat Hermione

>>720414449
staining her fur with thick ropes of cum!

>>720413983
where would using your dick/cunt be placed on that ranking?

>>720410956
They don’t want you to know this, folks, but I’ve got the numbers: over 73% of pumpkin juice on this campus is LACED with low-level Confundus Charms designed to keep students docile. Ever wonder why you just accept the fact there’s a giant murderous spider colony in the forest right next to the school? It’s because you’re under SPELL-BASED FLUORIDATION! WAKE UP, WIZARDS!

>>720399490
Insightful

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>>720406981
>they just don't like modern technology
That's just shitty Hogwarts wizards, where magic basically exists in its own bullshit secret world.
Old school wizards weren't clueless dopes when it came to technology. If anything they were depicted as the leaders of tech innovation, and even a traditionalist wizard still knew when and how to use it.
INT is supposed to be their primary stat!

The whole Harry Potter story is retarded when you could just glass Voldemort 7 times with a Glock

Flipendo!

>>720399064
There's a reason why Bill and Charlie left their house as soon as possible while Percy was still living there despite being the minister's personal whipping boy (until book 5)

Fred and George made a name for themselves. Ron was the only one in the family that had nothing of note going for him.

>>720406981
No, canonically magic directly fucks with technology.
It's why they were all so confused in the 4th book with how Rita Skeeter kept finding out about things and Hermione mentions that Hogwarts' magic prevents muggle technology the same way it prevents apparition.

>>720380225
TRUE

>>720404096
*casts chokus vomitus* Die goblin

>>720419484
Retard...

>>720413983
Shouting is worse

>>720380225
Its for physical aesthetics, waving a staff around and shooting out lightning looks cooler than pointing a finger and shooting lightning

>>720403949
>The wizards that use just their hands are actually using their fingers as the catalysts
Wait what the fuck? That's one overloaded spell away from loosing your finger.

>>720421426
African wizards are just better ok?

>>720403651
No the main reason is the story is dog shit

>>720421518
You didn't like the train trolley lady being a Terminator?

>>720421560
I didn't like Cedric, a Hufflepuff that is known for their unwavering loyalty, switching sides and becoming a death eater just because some people laughed at him

>>720399490
> Basically, you're already living in a timeline where you used Time Turners to change the past, and using one now just confirms it for you
but that horse with wings was killed in original timeline and saved in corrected

>>720384974
Wands are actually tools of the ministry to monitor wizards and keep them in check

>>720380225
did you know that in britain wizards and witches are required license for their wands?

>>720422086
no see it was only implied it was killed, they never see the deed, just hear the sound and hagrid crying

>>720393056
They do, its a plot point in the prequel movies that badguy man uses a vision of WWII to spook the wizards into siding with him and re-ordering society where they ruled muggles.
Most wizards live in muggle communities either in secret or semi-openly, so if your city gets bombed it doesn't matter if you're magic.

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>>720380225
A true wizard carries a staff they don't need purely for the aesthetic.

>>720382405
Kiritsugu would've trashed JKR's pathetic magical world so much.

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>>720412171
Wizarding World is already an ethnostate, totalitarian dystopia where fear mongering and propaganda are employed against children and due process dies, in favor of being sent to a prison with soul sucking abominations. Goblins control all currency and are said by everyone to be untrustworthy. Slave labor is legal and the slaves all have stockholm syndrome and embrace abuse or death at the wands of their masters. At a certain level despite them trying to paint themselves as idyllic and reclusive, you reach the conclusion that theres a reason muggles used to distrust and persecute them.

>>720382405
Have you played HL? A wand is a multi-gun that reloads itself

>>720382405
>literal potions of good luck
>robes of bullet protection
>personal shielding charms that work 24/7
>fields where any tech just fucks off

Gunslop just doesnt work in the HP universe

>>720423086
You think they’re just tools? Pieces of wood with a core? WRONG! Every wand sold in Ollivander’s is embedded with an ancient scrying rune, folks! They’re TRACKING DEVICES. They don’t just let you cast spells — they log your every incantation, your every duel, your every bathroom trip where you mutter a Scourgify! Those logs go STRAIGHT to the Department of Mysteries, where they’re building behavioral profiles on EVERY wizard child in Britain. That’s right — predictive spell-casting algorithms!

Why wasnt Harry chad enough to get with Hermione?

>>720423432
1. Extremely hard to produce.
2. That doesn't exist.
3. Those are limited to a certain area and require advanced, powerful magic to maintain.
4. Same as the second.

Meanwhile a gun can just outright kill a witch or wizard in any mundane scenario. They can't react to it. They don't know what napalm, tanks, nukes are. Theres likely no way a shield can deflect an atom bomb, and even if it did the surrounding area is a now a flaming, irradiated wasteland. Hell you can napalm the entire area around Hogwarts and what do they do now? Or throw chemical weapons in the area. Muggles just outtech them and they don't even bother to respond to it, beyond hiding or the bare minimum.

>>720424520
You are wrong.

was Snape an incel or a simp?

>>720423686
Ron probably has more compatibility interactions going on throughout that'd justify the pairing over Harry in the end or so other people rationalize. I often think back to another anon's answer where he pinned it on Rowling's disastrous first marriage.

>>720425049
simp

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>>720380225
Noita says otherwise

>>720421791
Yeah that was really bullshit, and in the end, it was the same crap as with almost all stories about time-travel
>if you change the past to fix something, it will make everything worse!
Why do they always go along with that? Why can't you fix something in the past, and actually end up better?

>>720421478
their magic is canonically inferior in terms of power, but more versatile as a result of not needing a wand

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>>720393830
>Not canon.
Wrong

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>>720413983
>Using your hands
Counterpoint; using martial arts is the coolest way to cast a spell.

>>720419484
The whole Harry Potter universe is retarded because there is no world building to speak of, every part introduced is only relevant in the scene it's introduced and carries no further implications for the world.
Mudbloods could just as well have all been wizard rapebabies because you have potions and spells that remove your memories, paralyze you, make you look like someone else. JKR failed to utilize tropes, folklore and mythologies to any degree higher than keyjangling for women and children, if you spend even a second thinking about the world of Harry Potter you've spent infinitely more time than rowling did
Hogwards is wakanda for women.

>>720427826
bumi was an incel

>>720400273
>Unstable but able to be abused several times a day for a whole school term.
for an hour or two at a time, tops. Just long enough for Hermione to discover what burnout is

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>>720427098
It's like a moral lesson, anon.
Can't have children thinking they can go back in time to fix shit... or something.

>>720427098
You know I've never heard of a time-travel subversion where a person changes a bad event for the better and it ends up sticking.

>>720381457
She might be allowed to be more graphically intensive from never being in scenes with as much going on as the others have

>>720380780
What if he did and it caused super-hitler and super-voldemort to manifest from elsewhere, so then he undid it?

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>>720380225
To be fair, needing a wand for magic beats not being able to do magic at all. A wizard should have every tool necessary and then one or two more.

>>720427098
>Why can't you fix something in the past, and actually end up better?
Infinite time travelers from the future have already gone back and tidied things up into one of the better timelines

>>720380225
In Harry Potter wizards don't actually need to use wands, they are just a catalyst to make things easier and more accurate. In fact doesn't harry use wandless magic at some point or am I misremembering?

>>720427098
Because it's meant as a lesson. Only in this case, it's genuinely benevolent and meant for your betterment (don't dwell on the past) rather than social engineering meant to deter you from retaliating so sociopaths and psychopaths can have free reign (revenge = bad).

>>720428807
Against his aunt, I think.

>>720428807
>wandless magic
Harry does it in the first book, there's likely other times but I don't remember rn.
Dumbledore and Voldemort do it all the time.
I think Lupin and Hermione do it too.

>>720422182
I wonder if doing your magic wand less actually does bypass the ministries ability to track underage magic

>>720429026
I recall it as him using his wand to inflate his aunt, and the ministry getting on him for not having a loicense to do that.
In the first book he incidentally does stuff like removing the snake enclosure's glass before having a wand.

>>720402160
kek

>>720429039
harry did wandless magic on his aunt in book 3 and ministry was alerted leading to the minister of magic catching Harry on his run. The underage wizards have the surveillance charm on them placed that alerts authorities if magic s done in muggle world. The last book makes the whole point of Harry needing to escape Dursleys house before turning 18 because at that point his mom's dying spell would run out but he himself is not allowe to use magic because he would alert the now-deatheater-run ministry so the Order of Phoenix devices the multiple Harry escape plan

>>720380780
Because JKR regretted creating time travel in her books and got rid of it.

>>720429456
The time-turner stock in ministry also gets destroyd in book 5 when Order of Phoenix and Deatheaters duke it out in the ministry making a convient excuse why they can't be used

>>720423096
Kiritsugu counters wizards, but there are tons of other things in HP that would fuck him up (like Dementors).

>>720427098
Nigga watch Back To The Future

>>720422086
The executioner just hit a pumpkin. Every time

>>720429195
>and the ministry getting on him for not having a loicense to do that.
That's in the second book, and Dobby actually did that
In the third, he inflated the aunt without a wand just by getting angry, and the Ministry let it slide because they thought a crazy killer was after him

>>720423486
If only that were true, it would've made the Ministry and lot smarter and more competent than it canonically was. Cause in canon, you can just take another dude's wand and frame him for murder.

>>720427098
Because time-travel stories like this, are just a convoluted way to tell you "accept your past and move on"
I mean, its not like we can really go back in time to change things, but people can still fixate on that wish, so these stories are meant to teach them to move on, by trying to convince them that whatever shit happened, it could have been much worse or something

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>>720427098
what are some of the worst examples of this trope? the most heinous ways authors have tried to make it clear its better to let things go?

>>720424520
Wizards can literally fly and turn into fucking gas fucks a gun gonna do to that?

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>>720430005
For me its pic related
>YOU EITHER LET YOUR OLD FRIEND DIE OR... OR YOUR WHOLE TOWN GETS DESTROYED AND LOTS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE DIE
>OH AND ON TOP OF THAT, YOUR OLD FRIEND IS A INSUFFERABLE CUNT TOO! SO YEAH, JUST LET IT GO AND FORGET ABOUT TRYING TO CHANGE THINGS PAST

>>720411712
anon, that's the explosion spell, not the make-it-smaller spell

>>720430005
In Chrono Trigger Luca's mom gets mauled by her machine because little Luca went and diddled with the switches. The game has Luca go back to the moment and instead of preventing the accident, we simply watch it again and feel better for not intervening.

should i watch half blood prince and deathly hallows?
i went on a HP nostalgia binge not too long ago, PS, CoS, and PoA were as kino as ever, GoF was alright, OotP was kinda forgettable but i was also fairly drunk at the time
>read the books
"No!"

>>720412116
harry was almost date-raped by a love potion inside some chocolates in one of the books

>>720430167
I recommend reading the books instead. But if that is not option you can watch the movies but you will have worse experience

>>720412116
Voldemort's mom who was unable to do magic charmed the muggle man she had crush on with love potion, had sex with him, became pregnant and gave birth to Voldemort. The father left after the potion ran out

>>720421135
>Hogwarts' magic prevents muggle technology
If you stop and think about it, this makes zero sense. It would break down physics itself to the point that mundane life can't sustain itself. At it's core, technology is just natural phenomena organized into a practical purpose. Magic might gum shit up a bit, but if it was doing shit like negating mechanical, chemical, or electrical systems, people would be dropping dead on the spot. No mechanical tech means your circulatory system can't function. No chemical tech means your digestive system can't work. No electrical tech means your nervous system can't work. Magic fields would all become death zones.

>>720430167
>watch
Only if you appreciate everything being dark, desaturated and barely visible to accurately represent the "dark" atmosphere of the world.

>>720430005
Flashpoint was quite bullshit, how does preventing Barry's mother's death made superman to be seized by the goverment the moment it fell on earth? or make Bruce Wayne die instead and has his mother become the jonkler and his father a batman mixed with the punisher? what the fuck man...

>>720430150
Anon...
You're supposed to save her by inputting the password to stop it, if you did nothing you got the bad ending for that sidequest.

>>720430306
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>>720412171
>Snape's classmate tries to Imperius a girl to do sexual things
>"omg gross, that's Dark Magic, he's a monster"
>girl tries to drug Harry with a love potion
>"teehee yass queen go for it"
I don't think wizards have a problem with rape. Only how it's done.

>>720430306
>fucking with time sends ripples both into past and future
Idk I think it's a neat concept

>>720430310
Um sweetie, changing past for personal reasons is bad, ok?

>>720430306
I thought it was because Barry doesn't exist and since hes so intrinsically tied to the Speedforce and history and future of DC. Like Barry dies in COIE to save the entire multiverse. If Barry saves his mom he doesn't become Flash, hes just some mundane dude now. With no Flash the JL doesn't form, they don't all become friends. I agree its outlandish but the core message is that taking out one crucial man from the timeline will fuck it up. I thought it was also implied that Reverse Flash had a hand in everything too as he also fucks up time by just existing.

>>720430289
Hmmm perhaps its.... magic

>>720430167
If you have time to browse 4chan you have time to watch movies that interest you

>>720430372
It's obviously hot and based when women do the raping

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>>720430637
Wait a minute...
>thinking about women raping you its hot (because you also likely think of a hot woman doing it)
Suddenly, all those women fantasizing about being raped do make sense

>>720430637
this

Literally the only good thing to come out of Harry Potter
https://youtu.be/IqUN4YdQgVQ

>>720430167
>half blood prince
one of the best books in the series and also one of the worst movies
dunno how they managed to pull that off

>>720430779
By cutting all the important plot stuff and focusing on the teenage romance instead (while at the same time cutting everything that made the fucking main character's girl interesting)
Also it looks like shit with that sandy grey color palette

>>720399490
>it's always adult men who have a problem with the mechanical explanations of magic, Quidditch, etc.
I was eight years old when I read the first book, and even then I thought that Quidditch was fucking stupid. Hell, the book actually lays out for you exactly why it's stupid, because it basically doesn't matter how hard you're losing the actual match, you just gotta catch the Snitch to win instantly. Even at the time I wondered why they even bothered with the other players doing anything, just pile them all into the goals, save for the beaters who do their best to cripple the opposing seeker with bludgers.

>>720424520
Wands are just guns but better though.
>point your gun at somebody, pull the trigger, they die
>point your want at somebody, whisper "bombarda", they die

>>720430779
>>720430871
I watched Half-Blood Prince with my friend-with-benefits while having a hangover at my place. She sucked me while we watched and we also had anal sex because she was on her periods

>>720430965
Nigga you think Quidditch is boring only because Harry is too good and always wins (when he doesn't get KO'd by outside bullshit).

>>720430979
Wands are so much worse than a gun
>average wizard needs to incant the spell, which is many times slower than pulling a trigger, and completely trounced by anything even just semi-auto
>spells fly slower and can be physically dodged, as well as parried and deflected
>it's just a brittle stick that breaks under every kind of stress that would break a brittle stick
>actual killing spell is outlawed, so you're left with all sorts of maiming, debilitating, and incapacitating spells of varying effectiveness

>>720430965
No. The capturing snitch only nets you big points while also ending the game. In the Quidditch world cup finals the losing team captain caught the snitch but they lost because of the point difference. The captain did it for his own egoistic reasons to be hailed as the guy who went out on his own terms

>>720431085
No, the rules of the game facilitate it being boring. The game only reasonably gets exciting when one team is 15 goals behind, because suddenly catching the snitch isn't a surefire blowout win anymore. That Harry happens to always win is really only secondary to the basic rules of the game. The best strategy is to completely ignore the main ball, fling bludgers at the opposing seeker/body slam him, which is apparently legal as well, and otherwise cram as many bodies in front of your goals as possible.

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>>720380225
Dumblefag
>is gay
>uses a fruity wand
>is secretive because he's afraid
>never seen smoking or drinking or having fun
>loves male penises
>needs children to do his job for him
>adopts Voldemort when he was an autistic weird child and is responsible for several deaths
Gandalf Chad
>is straight and loves pussy
>smokes tobacco
>dies and comes back stronger than before
>uses a cool staff and sword
>is fun to be around and charismatic

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>>720380225
I dunno anon.
This guy seems pretty threatening.

>>720431423
Is this from that masturbatory fanfic where Harry is a redditor?

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>>720431724
uhhhh. Well that was very vague, I am pretty sure you are talking about For Love of Magic, and no, it's not.

>>720431775
No, I'm talking about the one where Harry was raised by college professors or some dumb shit like that, and goes around the wizard world owning people with facts and logic.

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>>720431901
Raised by college professors, huh? Probably Methods of Rationality, then.

>>720431980
Yeah, that's the one. If you want to know what a midwit redditor's, who fancies himself a master of reasoning and debate, masturbatory and pathetic self-insert fantasies look like, this is the one to read. I don't recall ever reading anything that even came close to this in terms of just oozing unwarranted smugness from every word.

>>720432082
Yeah, Socrates was hated for being like that too

>>720431980
How's Yudkowsky taking the recent AI boom? Still afraid of the robot devil or whatever the fuck?

>>720432206
Just read the damn thing for a bit, and you'll apologize Socrates for even associating his name with this tripe

>>720432287
I mean, is this full of fallacies or absurdity raised from a lack of emotions?

>>720432082
You don't need to give me a lecture on how stupid and normalfaggy philosophy and QP logic stuff is.

>>720380225
insanity catalyst is the most metal magic conductor tool thingy sorry.

>>720432439
Mind you, there's philosophy and PHILOSOPHY!! :O
Redditors only known the latter

>>720432206
>Yeah, Socrates was hated for being like that too
Wrong. The exact opposite. Socrates asked questions, he didn't tell people what (he thought) the answers are. He's famously known for his saying "I know that I know nothing".

>>720432505
As a whole, philosophy is by and for normalfags. Take even a philosopher that /v/ likes, like Nietzsche, and imagine bringing him into the 21st century and showing him what a furry is. He'd do a Kill Bill Vol. 2.

You should never take any kind of intellectual or creative influence from people who use the word 'existence' in place of 'Matrix'.

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>>720431901
>>720432505

There's quality fanfics out there, I actually liked the one that included an interesting tidbit about philosophy. In general I like the fanfics that attempt to make the world make sense and not just act smug for pointing out plotholes.

I was also a big fan of the fanfic that made remembralls make sense with one comment:

>In a world where memory charms and obliviations are a thing having an item that tells you when you can't remember what you have forgotten is insanely useful.

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>>720382405
I want to see the harry potter timeline where voldemort wins and goes to try to take over the muggle world only to get domed by a sniper while he's monologing followed by a wizard genocide.

I do firmly believe the Muggles would win the war, Magic would throw them for a loop for a bit. But their crazy spells actually have to land and I dont think brooms are going to beat out fighter jets.

>>720399490
Women... Not even once.

>>720432810
I wanna see him react to a nuke. Like the world just decides to nuke the UK after Voldys rise to power. Wizards/witches in other countries begin to fall in line but by then its too late and the purges start.

>>720399490
Well, men can be stupid and not realize the obvious occasionally like Quidditch not being in book 4 because she was just tired of writing about quidditch.

But women pretend to "dislike" solving problems because they are just bad at it and they're trying to spread their ignorance around lately. They'll burst into tears and won't know why themselves and just get pissy if a man questions her about the cause of her upset. She can't answer because she doesn't have a clue, so she fabricates some retarded worldview about how people just need to listen instead of getting to the bottom of things.

>>720431664
Harry
>is straight and loves pussy, makes three kids
>drinks butterbeer
>dies and comes back stronger than before
>masters the strongest wand in the world but doesn't need it
>is fun to be around and charismatic
He and Gandalf would get along. I think Harry is an even bigger Chad.

>>720432965
>Quidditch not being in book 4 because she was just tired of writing about quidditch.

Book 4 has 2 other magic academies visiting Hogwarts for the Tri-wizard competion. Having quidditch along with the tri-wizard would have been pretty dumb

>>720382405
probably because wizards can cast projectile-deflecting charms on themselves and gunmen can't defend against expelliarmus.
that said, a demonstration would have stopped all this speculating. say if Vernon actually unloaded on Hagrid and the bullets stopped mid-air, instead of the cartoon barrel bend.

>>720432810
they drive a light-speed bus through the city while invisible to everyone, as a joke

wizards sould win so hard the muggles wouldnt even know there’d been a war

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>>720432810
Wanking off muggles/military happens occassionally. You can see plenty of fanfics where that happens.

I actually got a real kick out of the one where Ron runs away halfway through the book in a stereotypical fashion and you think he's being written as an ignoramus like always, but then he comes back in the finale and reveals he joined the Iranian Military and comes back and shoots Voldemort in the head, saving everybody. Wish I could find that one again.

>>720427098
>Why can't you fix something in the past, and actually end up better?
Because that makes for a boring story unless you have other future people fighting for their own vision of how things should turn out. IMO the best way to do things is like how DBZ or Young Justice do it where you send someone back in time with good intentions but the time machine sends them sideways instead of backwards so they can grow as characters but can't actually fix things until they're in the right time & place.

>>720432810
You think that Voldemort would go all wands blazing against the muggles, knowing full well what their tech is capable of? He's not ignorant of that, he knows muggles have some terrifying weapons, but he doesn't need to face them directly, and the best part is he can overcome all that with magic
He doesn't even need to fight, just use Imperio on world leaders, mind wipe or kill annoying muggles, and in the off chance someone tries to snipe him, he can just cast a permanent magical barrier around him that stops any high velocity object directed at him
There's really no way for the muggles to win if the wizards really try to take over

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Not Your Heroes actually does the ending everyone talks about where "just use timetravel/luck potion/a gun on voldemort". That was mostly a comedy though. It was two retards who didn't remember the books properly trying to solve the problems.

>>720398087
i kekked

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>>720433306
>he can just cast a permanent magical barrier around him that stops any high velocity object directed at him
gg no re

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>>720433306
Muggles and their bombs as a serious threat actually serve as useful origin stories for voldemort, generally in the fanfics where Harry and Voldemort fall in love. They play up Tom Riddle being forced to live in London during the blitz, as Dumbledore would not let him stay at Hogwarts for the summer just like Harry later on. Sometimes it's Tom Riddle as the woman in these stories, other times it's Harry.

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>>720433668
Here's one where the same scene plays out pretty much, except Tom Riddle is the girl this time.

>>720433668
I never needed to know this information.

>almost every wizard just wants to stay in their lane and not mess around with the muggle world
>the few who do have world domination delusions or even just have savior complexes on helping their non-magical cousins are heavily castigated by their society
>people still have fantasies about purging them
It's fucked up, man

>use fingers as wands
>magic is 5 times stronger because you have 5 fingers

>>720433157
>light speed

>>720380225
TRUE

>>720434020
Do your fingers have phoenix feathers or veela hair in them?

>>720434020
No, the magic would be fractured in 5 parts making it only 1/5 of the power compared to single wand

>>720380225
TRUE!

>>720434073
Magic gloves made of that stuff would actually be kino.

>>720434114
There's also the matter of the wand wood
Wooden gloves sound very uncomfortable

>>720402121
why do retards keep bringing up nukes as some ultimate gotcha? they're all hidden within muggle towns, nuking them means nuking yourselves. also you'd never even get the option because they would Imperious your president and all his advisors and generals against you.

>>720380780
>How is there a "Wizarding world" with a respective culture so insular and removed from the ordinary day to day Earth that their children don't know what technology is, but the entirety of their "world" consists of an underground capital building, a small town and castle, and single neighborhood in London.
>How is there a "national" sport where the two participating teams serve no point aside from the two primary catchers.
>Why is magic treated as some profession, racial group, sub society, and alternate dimension all at the same time?
>How come wizards need wands and then other times don't need them
>If wizards don't need wands why use them at all past a certain age and training?
>Where do all the magic creatures live in the non alternative dimensional world but actually separate magical world
>How come Tom Riddle has a major case of the ass against humans when he was raised as one until the age of ten
>What's the deal with all the contradictory magical lessons and rules that crop up throughout the books
>Why is there a delinquent culture of non wizarding school attendee young wizards never mentioned but suddenly show up as bad guys in the final three books/movies
>How come there are magical items and spells that children make which are superior to the magic adult wizards use
>Why are there wizards living in social poverty when any wizard can simply fabricate wealth in the normal world with his magic
>Where exactly do the Weasleys live where they owned a flying magical car, but no similar device is ever showcased or talked about again?
>For that matter where do the Weasleys actually live at all? In another dimension?
>Why do the Wizards hide from humans when they're borderline gods by comparison?
>Why was Harry Potter left in an extremely abusive household with no financial support by other wizards?
>How come all the curses and black magic that's obviously more deadly or lastingly harmful than the three unforgivable curses aren't also illegal?

>>720404096
Damn, Harry Dresden let himself go.

>>720427754
That’s not stated anywhere, people just assume it because if that’s not the case there is literally no reason to use a wand.
Hell it’s already a massive stretch that it doesn’t get taught everywhere due to how insanely useful it would be in a society that values secrecy so much.

>>720434489
>How come all the curses and black magic that's obviously more deadly or lastingly harmful than the three unforgivable curses aren't also illegal?
for the same reason force pushing someone into a Sarlacc pit doesn't break the Jedi code when using force lighting instead would.
dark magic, like the dark side, needs the caster to have hate in his heart and once used corrupts him.

>>720380225
100%

>>720434647
My list was more of a point that the books are simply a coming of age story and that the fantastic elements are completely meaningless minutia. IE the "lore" questions are immaterial. Regardless, there several spells including "charms" tought to children that are more horrifying and terrible than the three supposedly worse spells in the setting. Including the "memory" charms that can turn you into a permanent vegetable.

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>>720427858
HP is a vibe, you don't fucking need a 2500 years old backstory about witches on broom with witch hats summoning cats and whatnot

people seething "but the HP universe makes no sense!" are fucking retarded whiny crybabies, you're not intelligent, you're not special, you're the brownoid equivalent of people saying "but muh bikini armor is unrealistic" guess what moron you're the tard who can't read the room

>go in a site discussing Harry Potter and making fanwork of it
>practically every post people someone mentions JK Rowling BAD, like a tax
It just makes them feel extremely insecure about still liking the story despite her being an enemy because of her dumb posting history

>>720430167
>watch
"No!"

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I actually don't mind the Weasley's and like fanfictions that give them greater characterizations.

>>720434489
>I watched only the movies - the poost

>>720434489
>Why do the Wizards hide from humans when they're borderline gods by comparison?

lol
lmao
they hide because muggles outnumber them 10 to 1 and have atomic bombs

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>>720435462
This is the conversation referenced, from a canon diversion fic where Ron is the one who got possessed by the diary.

>>720434573
I’d almost forgot that a new one’s coming out in January

>>720413983
There should've been a based warlock hand caster in the series. I imagine wands are for balancing and directing for the spells.

>>720380318

>>720423220
>you reach the conclusion that theres a reason muggles used to distrust and persecute them.
the same reason any small group with disproportionate power breeds distrust and persecution. the second the muggles found out about magic, they would feel entitled to using wizards to heal crippling injuries, magic up infinite resources, manipulate political rivals with mind control, etc etc. the demands would never end, and any objection would create resentment and hostility.

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Deh!

>>720381254
>You can't alter the past with a Time Turner.
harry potter and schrodingers gryphon
>subtitle: and of other retarded fan revisionism

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>>720435764
In general I always liked the chapters that focused on the Weasley's in that one.

>>720380225
no I don't

>>720400226
The entire meta will change once a shield-piercing spell is invented, and then again when a rapid fire spell is invented. Soon - loitering spells.

>>720380225
should play EQ, and stop being a salty faggot

>>720436341
what the fuck did I just read

if you can make an anti-apparition spell can't I just make an anti-anti-apparition spell and then teleport whenever, or can you get back at me with an anti-anti-anti-apparition spell.

The greek mythology had it right, magic powers only make sense when you can't undo someone else's. So Zeus could get fucked over pretty easily, and so on. Gods can't undo magic other god's cast.

>>720425049
Simpcel.

>>720436480
>Anti-apparition spell
>Claymorus Fronttowardenemus

>>720382405
That movie was kino as fuck, even though it slightly drops off in the second half. Shame it bombed

>>720427763
>JKR headcanon

Trashed.

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>Flying miles above Hogwarts in a jet, far above the anti-technology field
>Every trooper dopes up with a bottle of Felix Felicis three minutes before the drop
>Jump out, no parachutes, just a simple nonverbal levitation charm before hitting the ground (the spell negates inertia)
>Dragonskin-kevlar weave body armor makes them practically invincible, offensive curses can penetrate clothing/robes but simply cause impact damage against sufficiently strong material (e.g. Voldemort blowing up gravestones with the killing curse) so you can only wind them in the best of cases, and lesser spells will just bounce off
>Troopers don't use wands for their fragility and slowness, instead they use small concealable iron rods pre-enchanted to cast the killing curse on anyone the owner considers an enemy and stunning spells on noncombatants, these are sometimes mounted on the helmet to make them literally kill-on-sight

Realistically what does Dumbledore do to stop them?

>>720436815
Probably not give a shit, because the place is unplottable and the troopers just dropped into a random loch

How hard a high level dnd wizard would bend the potterverse?

>>720434114
You think wizards have their own kind of Freddy Krueger with wand fingers?

>>720436549
For a moment there I thought you said Anti-abortion spell.

>>720434489
>How come there are magical items and spells that children make which are superior to the magic adult wizards use
Tf you talking about?

>>720436815
Fiendfyre
Gg

i only care about hp 1-"4"
mostly 1-3 but 4 is tolerable
oo let's fly around london and it's all dark and tinted in blue and you can get a halal lunch but make sure hermoine has her hijab on or else ... boy will she have bigger troubles than voldemort am i right

>>720380225
>"I am a highly intelligent wizard"
>can't spellcraft, just points and shoots
Sure thing buddy.

>>720436815
>iron rods pre-enchanted to cast the killing curse on anyone the owner considers an enemy and stunning spells on noncombatants
That sounds like bullshit. Even Voldemort didn't have anything like that.

>>720436298
I still can't get over how bad this portrayal is. He's like those youtube video where they put a famous actor in a random movie, this is Palpatine in Harry Potter world.

>>720438389
When he was 16 he enchanted a diary with a full-on AI chatbot that ended up gaining sentience and its own magical powers, and that was just a little throwaway project. I don't see why he couldn't enchant a mundane object with a simple IFF and cast-on-reaction, that sounds way easier.

>>720438387
The magic system in harry potter is really lame.
> - "Here is the levitation spell children. You say these words and make these motions. Practice now.
> -- "Wow, that's so cool! But how does it work? Can wizards modify spells by slightly altering the phrases or motions of standardized spells? Does magic have an equivalent to lexicology which breaks incantations down to their base phonemes and studies their effects on reality? Is it possible to create new spells wholecloth?"
> - "..."
> - "No talking during class. Five points deducted from Ravenclaw."

>>720438845
>Can wizards modify spells by slightly altering the phrases or motions of standardized spells

Yes, idiot, weren't you listening when they talked about the story of wizard Baruffio?

>>720438845
>Can wizards modify spells by slightly altering the phrases or motions of standardized spells?
No, when spells aren't performed properly they're either weakened or fail entirely. One incantation does one thing.
>Does magic have an equivalent to lexicology which breaks incantations down to their base phonemes and studies their effects on reality?
Probably, but you're a first year you little smartass, sit down and make your feather float an inch off the table before talking about degree-level spellcrafting theory.
>Is it possible to create new spells wholecloth?"
Yes and this happens in the series multiple times.

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>>720399994
>The only time I ever see fantasy and martial arts combined is in comic books for 13-year olds.
It is. But, like my retired, ex-street racer father who out of the blue fell in love with Naruto and binged the entire fucking series over several months, people of any age can enjoy fictional works. There's a lot less stigma these days around animation and young adult works. It also helps that xianxia is essentially 100% distilled male power fantasy at a time when the western world demonizes the genre, so it's easy to enter as a guilty pleasure.

>>720431775
Uhhh... based?

>>720399164
you guys don't have a theory of mind, I and any expert know xianxia exists. had I not stumbled/looked into these media, I would not know or think about it, like I don't care what China or Indonesia people are doing in their time.

>>720439316
do you have a link to the OG post that pic is from?

>>720382405
the same reason indians can't comprehend the use of toilets and sub-saharan africa is unable to develop agriculture. some ideas are just fundamentally incompatible with their brains and it is how it is with wizards and technology. there are always some weirdo outliers but they usually get shunned or laughed at and don't pass on their knowledge

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>>720403949
>using their fingers as the catalysts
wait, so if extremities can be used as catalysts...

>>720430779
>one of the best books in the series
man, it's like the opposite. I don't get how people in the current day say this
when it came out and you weren't a braindead fangirl, you were shitting on it with all your might

>>720440973
I don't remember there being big backlash. I got it on release. The only thing I remember of it and public response was the spoiler of Snape killing Dumbledore

>>720430779
HBP is the best looking film in the series bar the first two.
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>>720441407
Well, the ginny romance was so unexpected, and written so weird (wasn't it something like "a monster in Harry's chest") that if you wanted to cope and give JKR too much credit you were speculating he was dosed. Harry was still being incompetent (remember, this was the second to last book) and instead he's focusing on the redhead whore? C'mon.
I remember being annoyed at a lot of things like that. Wtf is Dumbledore doing? Sure, Voldemort's past is interesting, but Dumbledore was stalling and withholding to build suspense. Remember how annoying was the Malfoy plot? We literally knew from the start that Harry was right but nothing was done about it and then Dumbledore dies. All according to keikaku.

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Kill all wizards. Wizards are uncool.

>>720432810
He's a lich, that doesn't really help unless they can snipe all they phylacteries too.

>>720442473
Ginny and her fanciness for Harry was established in the first book. In the 2nd book Harry saved Ginny in Chsmbets of Secrets. Harry was never established to be super skilled, his grades and skills were always mediocre. He only survived against Voldemort because of his dying mother charming a protection on him.

You expected Harry to become super hero. Your expectations were too high. Harry was always portrayed as underdog who survived thanks to Hermione, powers and wizards greater than him protecting him.

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>>720442746
>Ginny and her fanciness for Harry was established in the first book.
You're being too charitable here, she's just shy.
>In the 2nd book
Again, they don't really get close. That's alright because they were all too young in those first two books. But notice how your examples come from those first two books? Yeah, she doesn't play much of a role, but she should have been hanging out with Harry more from GoF for it to feel natural. JKR had plenty of opportunities, but I don't think she decided anything until the last minute in HBP. He had yellow fever for the previous couple books, great.

>You expected Harry to become super hero.
Nah, just more competent. In GoF and OotP he was steadily coming into his own, but HBP severely undercut that. Harry's greatest achievement was reading Snape's notes, while Snape was making his own spells at his age.

>>720438289
I assume he means the twins joke goods that are actually quite cutting edge if you think about it.

>>720443473
>Harry's greatest achievement was reading Snape's notes, while Snape was making his own spells at his age.

Yes. Harry never was competent, academic or skillful. His main fortes were Expelliarmus and Patronus, both showing the virtues of modern times: disarming your opponent and protection against fear itself, oh yeah and i guess he could fly really well with a broom. They are just underlining the virtues Rowling wanted the main character underdog to have. Harry is a good guy, he's likable. It doesn't mean he is or was supposed to be some omnipotent gary sue. What helped Harry in the life were in then completely outside things: His mother dying for him making him invulnreable against Voldemort, and Voldemort only. After him surviving Voldemort, he became the legend, The Boy Who Lived. And that legend made people want to rally behind him and offer him the protection. That's why Ron was so keen to make friends with him. That's why his parents' friends were always looking out for him. That's why Dobby, Malfoy's house elf, wanted to protect him. Harry was charismatic and he got boost from becoming a legend when he was only a toddler for surviving Voldemort, suriving killing curse which has never happened before and making Voldemort disappear. But nothing he did was thanks to him or his actions, they were given to him.

The crucial parts in the story are those when Harry acted rashly and things ended up worse (him wanting to save Sirius and it turning out to be trap set by Voldemort) and when Harry managed to keep his calm and instead of acting, waiting (Harry chose not to race Voldemort for the Elder wand and instead stayed put and made efforts to continue destroying the Horcrux so that Voldemort could be beaten eventually).

Harry Potter books are very pedantic and pedagoic of soft virtues. They discourage acting on the heat of moment and instead they encourage to keep your calm and wait things out and focus on things that matter.

>>720444085
>suriving killing curse which has never happened before
Am I the only one who finds this weird? That no mother/wife ever gave her life for her children in the face of a murderer?
Sure, it's not like it's a common occurence, but I think there should be at least a couple more examples in hundreds of years of magic history.

>>720430705
>anon figures out the trick behind sexual harassment memes

>>720450286
I doubt there were many occurences of murderers wanting to kill just the child and not the parent and situation allowing the mother to offer to take the child's place. But yeah, Voldemort even wanting to kill Harry was because of the prophecy and the prophecy even allowed Voldemort to choose between Neville Longbottom and Harry Potter and he chose Harry because of the similarities he shared with him, as Neville was son of 2 pure bloods while Harry's mother was muggle born.

>>720439316
Yeah, pretty much nailed it. Xianxia hits that same nerve Dragon Ball Z used to for boomers: endless power-ups, increasingly absurd god-tier enemies, and the MC always overcoming the odds through sheer grit or some esoteric bullshit technique. Western media's too busy trying to subvert everything or make the hero cry about punching someone to death. Meanwhile, this dude’s flying on a sword through eleven dimensions screaming about his Dao and slicing moons in half. Sometimes a guy just wants his cotton candy power trip, y'know?

>>720452452
Why can't it work if the murderer wants to kill both? The mother dying trying to at least save her child should have the same effect, no?

>>720453589
Dragon Ball has roots in Journey to the West which is Classic proto-xianxia so the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.

>>720453787
It worked because Voldemort aim was to kill Harry precisely. Voldemort didn't care about Harry's dad or mother, only Harry. He was ready to kill anyone who would try to protect Harry but they weren't intended targets, just casualties.

In the end the same thing happened at the end of the final book: Harry was ready to die to protect others so when he accepted Voldemort killing him (voldemort only killed the Horcrux part in Harry), it bestow the same protection to the good guys in Hogwarts. After that Voldemorts curses couldn't hurt anyone. Even when Voldemort placed the sorting hat on Neville's head and lit it up, the flames didn't hurt or damage Neville. And from that point out in the chaos of battle, no one noticed that Voldemort couldn't hurt anyone anymore.

The finale being that unknown to Voldemort, his Elder Wand had already given its allegiance to Harry when Harry managaed to wrestle Draco's wand from him, because the Elder Wand' allegiance from Dumbledore was shifted to Draco and from Draco to Harry.

>>720424520
>Hell you can napalm the entire area around Hogwarts and what do they do now?
Teleport?