What's the worst case of dishonest artificial difficulty you've seen?
There's literally a crest in the game that turns this kinda shit into ezmode for you baby faggots who are terrible at video games.
get a better controller
>>720387780Dark Souls 2
do hold down or diagonal down when you hornet pogo I feel like if I hold diagonal its inconsistent but if I hold down theres a chance of it reversing on me
There is not a single thing worth finding in Hunter's March in the early game.
>>720388431It's down. If you're using a diagonal pogo, she goes in the direction she's facing. If you're trying to pogo right while facing left, you need to move right first so she turns around before attacking.
>>720388506I like the boomerang
>>720388506mask is pretty big for all the bitches whining about difficulty
Has there ever been a bigger pleb filter before?
>>720389046Doom Eternal Marauder.
>>720389046yeah, in the current GOTY
>>720387780The entire game is artificial difficulty. I just reached Greymoor and I'm struggling to beat the crow arena on the east side. Every death has me respawn LIGHTYEARS away from it and the runback is a fucking boreThe game isn't using clever design to make it difficult, it's just trying to tire you out at every turn. There is NOTHING justifying runbacks this long and boring.
>>720387780you literally get reaper 20 minutes into the game
>>720387780skill issue
>>720389320you can't beat the basic crow mobs?
>>720387780This isn't even fucking hard.Just fucking git gud.Ffs, try HK first maybe and the path of pain, then we can talk. This shit was fun. I felt like a better gamer conquering this.Unlike the runback to Judge (not the boss itself which is amazing) or the rising lava area with flying enemies that are pure rng at times. That can fuck off. Even runners of this game are fucking asking why about the Judge runback. It makes no sense because it just becomes tedium after a while when you're good enough to avoid everything.
>>720389424In the arena? No I don't, so far it's taking me more tries than it did beastfly. The runback is just making me so damn tired.
>>720389231how is he a pleb filter? by the time you get to him he's done in 2 shots (second one optional)
>>720389320there is no difficulty in silksong at alljust because you're playing blind with your feet on a controller doesn't make the game hard
>>720389568you had trouble with beastfly?
>>720387859Now try doing it using your keyboard. You can't
>>720387780YOU HAD 7 YEARS TO PLAY CASTLEVANIA, ZOOMER MONGOLOID PORCH MONKEY
>>720387987Good advice.Fuck the ps4 controller and the directional buttons being one big button. That shit is pure cancer. Often it goes unintended places because of it. I miss my controller with separate ^v<>. ;_; Honestly, maybe controllers should have both types of d pad on the controller or an ability to switch between both. That being said, I never had this issue with an snes controller. I don't know what it is about the ps4 controller but it fucking sucks ass. I thought the Xone controller, X360, Wii classic, Switch, n64, ps2, ps3 and PS5 controllers were ass, but I think the ps4 controller is probably the worst.I wish GC white controllers were cheap, I might have tried one of them. Are they good with directional or just analog?I might buy another Logitech F310 again. Somehow it was better with directional buttons, though it's triggers fucking sucked.
>>720389937https://www.nexusmods.com/hollowknightsilksong/mods/104?tab=descriptionThis mod is basically mandatory
>>720389320This is where I dropped the game. It just doesn't respect my time.
>>720390078you didn't beat the game
>>720389046It's not nearly as bad as Caelid and Starscourge on release. I couldn't even beat Starscourge and literally grinded for days to beat him, just to have him get patched before I could attempt him (which made him pathetic).Starscourge was bugged apparently, but everyone agrees that bugged Starscourge honestly felt great to try and beat. He was an unavoidable obstacle it felt. Judge kinda captures that a little, but Starscourge was fucking another level. Hardest shit I've attempted other than snes lion king, which gave me nightmares as a kid because that game was horrifically jank.
>>720390140>you went through the same empty corridors 5 times instead of 20, you didn't beat the gamekek
Are there any benches in Bilewater other than the one at the bellway? Having to run through the entire area every time you die to the boss is pretty BS.
>>720389948>your keyboard.Nigga, are you seriously?
>>720390078Honestly, you shouldn't use this first playthrough.But then again, Judge's runback is pure evil and even experienced HK players were mad at it.Not as bad as Bed of Chaos, Four Kings, Sir Alonne or Blue Smelter though. I think maybe people complaining just haven't experienced such nightmares.
>>720387859These games are literally easier on a keyboard.
>>720389948>he plays vania with KBM pleeeeeeeeeease go back
>>720389948Why the fuck would doing this on a keyboard be any harder? If anything it’s easier because there is zero ambiguity as to whether or not you’re holding down.I’m playing this on an arcade stick with no difficulty.
>>720387780Contact damage in games, it's lazy as fuck one reason I didn't particularly like HK in the first place.
>>720390261it took you 20 tries to beat beastfly?
>>720390462Use the d pad you dumb nigger
>>720390402>Honestly, you shouldn't use this first playthrough.Why? It's literally trimming the fat.Bed of chaos wasn't that bad, it's a gimmick boss that you can understand very quickly. Four Kings isn't that bad either, Dark Souls bosses can have long runback because they're either gimmicky or require a different strategy that will make the fight a lot easierSilksong has the spastic bosses philosophy of Elden Ring but without the statues of Marika, making it a chore.
>>720387859Honestly, I was better with diagonal down spikes on these than I was in HK with a large down slash on most enemies. Why is it just so much better to down slash in this game? I feel like I always missed in HK to the point where it pissed me off. Not so much here. >up + rb can fuck right off for projectiles, that alone has killed me more than anything else
>>720390493Seriously, I feel like at least half the damage I take is contact damageAt least give me some iframes after dealing damage like in shovel knight or disable contact damage when the enemy is staggered, it's so fake
>>720390312Eh I kinda liked the challenge when exploring.It did get a little annoying after that though. I don't mind making it hard to get to rest benches.>though Mt Fay can fuck right off
>>720390631>Seriously, I feel like at least half the damage I take is contact damageFor me it's like 75%. And like nine of my deaths out of ten are from contact damage.
>>720387780>artificial difficultyIT'S A VIDEO GAME LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE BIT OF DATA IS ARTIFICIAL YOU ABSOLUTE MORON KYS
>>720387780You're a professional retard or what?
>artificial difficultyA-Anon, games are artificial... you don't have to play them
Just use the d-pad if it's hard on thumbstick
>>720387780You get an item to stop with diagonal jumps in less than 5hrs.
>>720390402>Judge's runbackis a 30 second running segment.
>>720390493I don’t think contact damage is bad in general but with the way melee combat works in Hollow Knight, it’s a really bad fit. Plenty of other games do it without it being as frustrating. Even stuff like Castlevania games.
>>720390480Nope.On the keyboard you hold down the buttons and one button does several actions. It's even more difficult because pressing the keyboard is much longer
>>720390528My d-pad is gay
>>720390551DS1 was rough, but not that bad.>now remembering the run to Gaping DragonDS2 was so bad I stopped playing though.
>>720387780This is fucking piss easy, you're not really this bad at platformers are you LMAO
>>720390646I don't mind it when exploring, but once I'm fighting the boss, the exploration is done. And I don't mind most of the runbacks. Hell, the Judge one was fine after a few few tries when I got the poth down pat. It's just that that specific one is insane.
>>720390830>5hrsWasn't that long for me.Was like 2 hours.
>>720390834Honestly, in retrospect Phantom's was nearly worse.
>>720390402>even experienced HK players were mad at it.No I wasn't, it's extremely easy. Ignore flies, jump up walls and shit. Jump over knights. Like there's nothing stopping you from just platforming through.
>>720391043Well it was fucking hard at the start.But I got good at it quick.You just have to hit the flower close.Though eventually your eye allows you to hit it from a distance with practice and it becomes a rush when you master it.>and then you forget it the moment you get better down slashes
>>720391158Jump up a shaft and dodge 3 steam vents?
>>720391264Now that I think about it... Phantom's was harder. But the only reason why I did him instead was because I was initially miserable with Judge's runback.For some reason, Phant's didn't piss me off as much.
>>720389948might as well try playing with a wii wheel and a DDR pad if you're gonna intentionally be retarded
>>720391280It's kinda cramped. At least with judge you can sorta move more.
>>720390897probably why the game fucking tells you it's meant to be played with a controller when you load it up
>>720390807Had to google wtf is a thumbstick
>>720391280Yeah it's even easier, way shorter. I'm pretty sure it's only 2 steam vents too.
>>720390402Everyone complaining about runbacks should go play Rain World.
Legitimately a skill issue. I found it hard but once you get the hang of it, it goes smooth.
>>720388315Nah. DaS II difficulty is great. Can't say the same about DaS III tho
>>720391519Combats not as fast or interesting.
>>720391453this is one of the three control variations, you admitted that you are too weak to play the game
>>720390897I'm played on kb and it's fucking easy get good m90
>>720391519>Rain WorldThe whole game is a run back. But sense of exploration is unimaginable. Best game for transforming>I am just a little guy, please dont hurt meto>Come back you coward, piece of sheet, you are my breakfast!
>>720390754Dumbasses still use this term and don't realize it's a huge warning sign they have no idea what the fuck they're talking about.
>>720389320yeah crow arena took me 4-5hrs to get the technique down on the 5 waves of fucking birds.
>>720391712Yeah but it's slow.It's the same issue I have with most modern 2D scrollers.HK even had the same issue for me. Silksong is far better for me. But I grew up with DKC, which is pretty fast if you get really good at it with rolling.
>>720391642That’s because you have no idea what the skill ceiling looks like.
>>720387780The funny thing about this is I don't think it crossed Team Cherry's mind that anyone would get filtered by this. It's like a tutorial so you can practice using the divekick to platform.
>>720387780this shit forced me to remap the dash button from R2 to A. finger kept accidentally hitting dash when shit got hectic.
>>720391916Really low and slow.I don't want slow being a ceiling. First half hour of silk made me panic it would do that sort of shit. So glad it just went "fuck it" and made you quick from then onward.I rather ceilings that adapt to an initial default gameplay that feels fast and powerful already in 2D scrollers.Not in 3D games like Kenshi though, where you want to be handicapped hard to begin with. But that's not doing platform shit and has city builder /resource management aspects.
you don't even need to use thesei'm in act 2 and i didn't even know you could bounce off them, i thought you needed a special item
>>720387780People who found this difficult cannot imagine a 45 degree angle in their minds
>>720390402>and even experienced HK players were mad at it.>massive HK fans who played HK for the first time a week before Silksong released
>>720392089The mapping is garbage. Blame unity for forcing this shit I think. Otherwise it bugs easily if you allow remapping for everything.
>>720392251Did it leak?Shit.
>>720389046wdym the plebs love this game
>>720391864Their movement is pure cancer, this arena shows how fucking dogshit contact damage is. Remove contact damage and it's suddenly balanced and manageable.
>>720390493kept getting killed by beasfly just by dashing straight in on stagger. lol
Starfox Adventures, the button mash part where you fight Musclefoot. Retards must have never tested it.
>>720387780>artificial difficultywhat would be non-"artificial" difficulty in a videogame? or any game?the only kind of "organic" difficulty I can think of right away is something like making your mother cum, and boy am I a pro at that.
>>720392386Case in point.
>>720392507A challenge that is made harder by irrelevant elements or by randomness that barely allow for adaptation.Imagine a hard platforming section that's made harder because your character has a chance of tripping when pressing jump.
>>720392749good thing this game doesn't have anything like that
>>720387780Probably Fear and Hunger. I know that it is kind of the point, but there are so many things in the game that can (especially literally) fuck you that are mostly up to luck that it is absurd.
>>720392835It's just an example.For Silksong, the pointless runbacks are an instance of artificial difficulties if said runbacks aren't made to whittle down the player but just make him waste his time by making him respawn very far away from the failed challenge for the sake of it.
>See someone complain about difficulty and runbacks>Yeah that's fair>They post what their problem was>It's an act 1 boss
>>720389320Learn to use healing>>720392438>Remove contact damage and it's suddenly balancedYou're a dumb retard - removing contact damage would make it so you don't have to worry about positioning at all and can just facetank basically everything. Movement is literally the best improvement over HK
>>720393026the runbacks felt malicious desu. its like the devs were nuttin themselves thinking abt them.
In the near future civil engineers will play Silksong in order to learn how to make hostile architecture designs even better (read worse)
>>720393330>You're a dumb retard - removing contact damage would make it so you don't have to worry about positioning at all and can just facetank basically everything. Movement is literally the best improvement over HKYou absolutely wouldn't, enemies using their bodies to attack will simply have their hitbox appear when they attack. Making the hitbox linger a bit would also go a long way to prevent facetanking.
>>7203932384chinners are terrible at videogames. just remember, when armored core 6 was released /v/ was filled with threads about how they weren't able to beat the helicopter, the intro boss
>>720389948Keyboards are actually completely fine for platformers. I'm convinced the reason people struggle is because they use the arrow keys and aren't used to using their right hand for movement. Just use WASD and JKL+UIO and it's essentially an arcade cabinet setup with a d-pad.At the end of the day it's buttons and you press them and that's all a controller needs to be for a game like this.
>>720387780FFXIV Raiding
>>720387780>Press down + attack>Yes! She goes down... No! Diagonally! OF COURSE!!!>Half of the /v/ will ignore that this is counterintuitive and just say "git gud"
>>720390402>>720389563Anyone complainong about the Judge runback I swear has never even played silksong and are massive nasty smelly repetitive-till-you-winShitposters.
>>72039380330 seconds is an eternity when you do multiple tries.
>>720390402>Not as bad as Bed of Chaos, Four Kings, Sir Alonne or Blue Smelter thoughAre you telling me you felt even the smallest degree of frustration while trying to beat these bosses? Jesus Christ you guys really don't play vidya.
>>720393846>noooo i have to IMMEDIATELY restart the fightrelax.
>>720393026Runbacks aren't difficulty. They're punishment to make dying meaningful.If the game didn't give you easy infinite healing then they'd add to the difficulty in the same way a game with limited lives/continues forces you to improve at the early parts to bring more resources to the later parts. But this is a modern casual game so it's made to be easy enough for anyone to beat.
>>720390140>>720390495
>>720393026no, the point of runbacks is to frustrate the player and make them fuck up on the way to the boss. same with Souls gamesyou may not like it, but calling it "artificial difficulty" is stupid"games" are, by deffinition, made of rules, and a rule of this game is: you die, you go back to the bench, wherever that is.you can break these rules using cheats or whatever, I don't care. but every rule, for every game, is arbitrary, made up, invented. and therefore "artificial"just call it what people have been calling these things for ever: "this is bullshit"it's a more honest reaction instead of making up retarded terms in order to sound smarter than you are
>>720393987>no, the point of runbacks is to frustrate the player and make them fuck up on the way to the boss. same with Souls gamesI've already answered that:> if said runbacks aren't made to whittle down the player If there is nothing to fuck up, it's entirely artificial.
>>720393765>Equip beast crest>She goes sideways
>>720389320if you're stuck this early in the game, you were never gonna make it in the first place, better to give up
>>720394440I beat it. It's just deeply unsatisfying.
>>720389948Correction. YOU can't. I have no problems.
>>720393987They're not meant to "make you fuck up" by frustrating you. They're supposed to frustrate you so there are actual stakes to the fight. If you just immediately go back in with zero risk then the stakes are lower and the fight is less exciting and the victory less enjoyable. It's the difference between a more oldschool platformer and Super Meat Boy where no death matters because you can just keep throwing yourself into the grinder until you luck your way through.In souls games they're also meant to drain your healing supplies forcing you to improve at the level to have a better shot at the boss.
>>720390078>cry about how games are becoming casualized for babies with short attention spans>immediately start cheating as soon as you're pressed even a little bit by a hard game
>>720393895Some of us don't have infinite time like your NEET ass.
>>720394241>MUCH worse for pogoing>It's at the beginning of the game>It's equipped immediately upon picking up the crest and you have to pogo back from thereSeriously, how is it possible to defend Silksong?
>>720394661The vast majority of Silksong runbacks are zero-risk, they're just time wasting. It's totally unlike, say, the very long Maneater runback in DeS. You can't really luck your way through in Silksong (at least from what I've seen), bosses have far too much hp to allow for a lucky kill the same way it can happen in other games with a bleed build or something.
>>720394919>you have to pogo back from thereGlide down, glide down, run and jump, run and jump, glide up.0 pogo to the bench
>>720394949Yes, they are time wasting. They waste your time to frustrate you. It's a punishment so that you care about not dying. There are a ton of people who will just keep bashing their head against a wall until they get through. But give them a reason not to do it that way and they'll change the way they play. Give them time between attempts to think about the fight and they'll start to strategize some.Not everyone will, but a lot more will.
>>720394919This pogo is actually very good, if you use it against spikes for instance you bounce off them, giving you another chance.
>>720395194You sound like a woman
>>720395241>women think bad behavior should be punished and that challenges have meritI wish.
>>720395172>Assuming the player already has all of this.You're completely ignoring that the player had access to this area before these upgrades. Team Cherry is retarded and didn't think about how stupid it is to relearn the pogo timing to get back.
>>720395194Generating frustation through wasting time is the cheapest thing you can do as a game designer. Making health items limited is actually a much better way to do it, you essentially remove the pointless busywork and give the player the choice to either 1) learn the boss very well since he can't heal without consequences or 2) go back and farm healing items (which serves the same purpose when it comes to strategizing during the downtime with the added benefits of being a lot more interactive and potentially leading to discoveries as the player goes to farm the healing items).
>Act 1>Hey this platforming is good, this feels ok.>Oh a new area/NPC/charm after that challenge is fine>Act 2>Another platforming challenge, is kinda similar to the first act but more verti al and with new hazards>Hope is just that part>And another platforming challenge>And another ....>Well now it's time to relax and find good upgra...>Great taste questJust finished the courier rasher's this shit is made to torture people not to have fun
>>720395405It's just bouncing on platforms it's not hard. Why would it take you longer than 1 minute to adjust, unless you're some kind of troglodyte who just stumbled into the world and has never played a video game before?
>>720395751I will never defend pressing an input and the character going in another direction, it's just bad.
>>720395509Depends. Grinding(wasting time) to make things easier is different than wasting time as a punishment. There are many players who will just do that from the outset because they view it as optimal. Ideally in a game like Silksong, the levels and regular enemies would be engaging enough that the punishment of having to play the levels would actually be fun, but sadly it's not a very good game which is why there are so many complaints of the game forcing you to play more of the game.Making healing items limited can also just mean people refuse to use them.There's no one answer for what's the best with these sorts of things.
>>720395632the courier quest in the first game was harder
I've never seen so many people openly and without a shred of shame admit they were beaten and humiliated by an inanimate object.
>>720389948>The seething repliesSo now Hollowkinghtsfags shit on you for playing with a keyboard uh
>>720389948I'm playing on keyboard and I can do those things just fine.The only hard thing I've encountered in the game so far is the savage Beastfly.
>>720396230I mean when you first boot the game there's a huge disclaimer telling you to please for the love of god please play this on a controller
>>720389948I got BETTER at the (HK) game when I switched from Switch to Steam.I Steel Hearted + P5'd on the Switch version and when I got to AbsRad with keyboard controls I beat her BOTH the times I ever fought her. I've never once lost to AbsRad on keyboard.Just get gud.Diagpogo pilots like a dream on keyboard. I'm solo Hunter for my first playthrough. Why would I use anything else and fuck up my muscle memory? I saw the Wander's Crest one time and instantly thought to myself "Nah I want to play the sequel to Hollow Knight, not Hollow Knight again."
>>720396230You can play a shooter with a controller, but that doesn't mean you should
*Wanderer's
>>720394080If there's nothing to fuck up then how did you keep fucking up until you got mad?
>>720396230I definitely will. It's always been for trannies.
I respect First Sinner a lot. It's choice to not refresh you at a bench made me eventually just say fuck it to using items and my crutch mask and just plain get good. Amazing fight. Chasing her every which way to dash attack + quick follow-up hit was a total blast.
>>720393026You are terrible at video games. Literally just learn the runbacks, they aren't horribly hard. I can tell you got stuck on Last Judge because you didn't realize you could run past the fucking cone flies. Retarded loser faggot.
>>720397257You can't read.
>>720397257the only runback that has made me mad so far is bilewater
You didn't beat the game
>>720396241Okay I just beat the Beastfly, and NOW those red things are the hardest thing ever.Still, it's not because of the keyboard.
>pearl/shard source>teehee sorry player we positioned a spike pit right it AGAIN so they ate 60% of them because we made them go flying when you break the object containing them. ;) sorryThis and Compass are the only things that actively piss me off about this game. Everything else is 11/10
>>720397441Boomerang is way worse. It's the answer to fucking everything.
>thing stands stilloh my GOD I FUCKING HATE THIS GAME FUCK THESE RETARDED DEVS WHO PUT THINGS IN THEIR GAME THAT I CAN NOT DO AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAt.Platforming master
I refuse to believe that people were actually filtered by BeastflyLike actually this feels like a giant shitpost to make me believe people were actually having a hard time with a boss who was a whopping 2 moves
>>720397649*right under it
>>720389231>Superboss you can oneshotE33 trannoids really are dumb.
>>720397441I have no idea what this is.Post that I didn't beat the game for using Witch's crest or something.
>>720391383>>720389948I play with KBM. WASD movement, jump with LMB attack with RMB. You guys are a fucking embarrassment to the hobby.
Is the Beast crest worth using?I gave it a shot for the last judge, but it soured me on it since I got filtered for about half an hour - only to switch back to hunter and beat it first try.
>>720389563The runback to judge is less than 30 seconds lmao
>>720397649I have like 4000 spare rosaries, I genuinely don't know how you "people" are playing this game
>>720397813witch crest is risk/reward that's finethis is a drone that automatically attacks enemies and this one also does poison damage
>>720388506Bro?>cracked mask is a bonus hit>boomerang is nuts>best early bead farm
>>720397763You can reach beastfly very early in the game, if you return to the big ant nigger immediately after getting the dash.In this case, without tools, damage upgrades, aoe skills etc, you will actually eat shit, and apparently it's hard to figure out that you should just leave and return later.
>>720389231If you 1 shot him you are a cuck
>>720397763I don't know, man, guess I just suck.
>>720389948wait, people play 2D platformers with a controller? why? maybe it's literal gen xers that played platformers on the snes but PC platformers in the 2000s and early 2010s were fine with arrows+z/x
>>720393026It's a fucking metroidvania. Running through levels to reach a boss is the game. You don't call reaching a Megaman boss again after losing all your lives a runback.
>>720397968I actually thought you had to beat the big ant dude to get the dash, so that's what I did
>>720397763it's the retarded ads you ape
>>720398017a keyboard is functionally the same as a SNES controller or an arcade stick in terms of inputs
>>720397763This boss is a rngfest that entirely depends on what adds he summon, when, and how they move.Beastfly's hitbox is also hellish and until you're familiar with it you can get hit when trying to fuck his ass when he's staggered. He also has a checkmate charge move, if you were positioned midway between the high point of a jump and the ground, he will do a sidecharge you can NOT avoid because it covers both your grounded stance and your jump.I don't know what you call "filtered" (like, 1hour+ worth of tries?) but he's definitely very annoying to fight.
Actually, runbacks are supposed to make you think about smarter pathing and how you can improve your movement.
>>720397763Beastfly is a treatise about why Contact Damage is a shitty mechanic
>>720397968I'm convinced I could have beat beastfly if he was the first tutorial boss of the game.He has TWO MOVES that are extremely telegraphed
>>720397909>risk/rewardIt's very easy to execute if you press it when the enemy is near the end of their animation. Also heal helps with gang fights a lot, but it's not even the main point, the main point is that your weapon hitbox is unreasonably long and wide with it compared to any other crest. Sure attack speed is bit lower, but consistent damage application makes up for that.
>>720397889So do I. It AESTEHTICALLY annoys me. Seeing money get killed at the damn time in this game makes me uncomfortable on a primal level
>>720398108>(like, 1hour+ worth of tries?)I pray for anyone who has 1hour+ worth of tries for any boss in this game past late Act 3
>>720398156Beastfly itself is non-issue, problems start when it starts spamming round niggers with an aoe attack.
>>720398118Kinda, but I'm not about to zoom past areas I haven't explored like runbacks, so it still feels pretty pointless.
>>720398228Thanks, anon, I'll need it.
>>720398228Difficulty isn't linear in those games. I remember people telling me I'd eat shit in Khazan because Maluca took me like two hours, turns out I beat every following boss in 30 minutes maximum.
>>720391043While I despise elitists I assume these threads are troll threads right ? Navigating around these flowers isn't hard.
Potential hot take.Beastfly was just easier Nightmare.Both are shitty contact Damage machines
>>720398108>AddsYou mean those things you delete instantly with your silk moves, or friendly fire from the boss?>The hitbox is hellishYou can literally frame dash through it.>Checkmate charge moveStop jumping randomly.>You CANNOT avoid itYes you can.
>>720397994>Noooo you can't use the optimal build in an RPG because...you just can't!Sorry bro, if your superboss can be one-shot, he's no different from fodder and not worth my time.
>>720387780Those pods are nothing. It's the bloated boss HP that annoys me. Not even the two mask damage.
>>720398445this is the easy beastfly that comes later in the game
>>720398124No it's not. Double contact damage is. It should have a visual effect like fire/poison/energy to warrant it. I don't want double contact damage removed: just halved in frequency. No other nerfs to the game.
>>720398507You... you got caught in the pleb filter. The question was about pleb filters and you got filtered.
>>720398445>second beastflylmao, this one is much easier
>>720395405You need to poofy dress to get the Beast Chapel anyways.
>>720395215you can pogo on spikes with all movesets
>>720397763beastfly is easy himself. the ads just being rng is fucking stupid game design and can lead to unavoidable damage
>>720398702Influence their position and attack direction fag. Make him kill his adds fag. Get good fag
I won't complain about combat. It has some issues, but I can live with it.But I have absolutely no interest in complex platforming shit. I'm literally not a target audience for it, which should be given since I'm not a troon. One gimmick location focused on it in the original game was tolerable, but why is this shit EVERYWHERE now? Who asked for it? Some speedrunner discord? Are devs aware that those aren't really people?
>>720398565>Pleb filter is when you don't play the game the way I say you should!Beat the boss, didn't think twice about him afterward.
>Dark Souls 1 makes you waste several minutes running back to a boss.>"Omg this is one of the greatest games of all time, finally bringing difficulty back to gaming">Silksong has runbacks that are 1 minute long max>"God this sucks, this game is just trying to waste my time with bullshit artificial difficulty"What causes this massive difference in reactions to the same thing?
>>720398778its okay dude, beastfly wont fuck your wife, you dont have to go to bat for him
>Complex platforming is for troonsWhat causes someone to think about troons so much unprompted?
>>720387780a case of shitty controls
>>720398846Dark Souls bosses are significantly easier and rely a lot less on pattern learning.
I got tired of Silksong in the middle of act 3, just watched all spoilers in a 100% playthrough VOD.It gave me the itch to replay Hollow Knight though. I just played a bunch and progressed really fast, and really puts into perspective how ridiculously they pused difficulty in Silksong. HK truly is baby mode (for experienced players. for newbs it's still difficult).
>>720398029>silksong>metroidvania tradition>when the game has no puzzles at allheh
>>720397854what do you use to bind? I'm WASD + space=jump + lmb = attack + rmb = bindleft shift dashmouse button 5 (thumb) for nail art and tools. DESU I don't like this last one much, need something better cuz I don't like holding up
>>720398876Weak comeback
>>720398778Just work on your spacing and never get hit on any boss, fag.
>>720399038You didn't play the game.
Does the game get less stingy about upgrades after act 1? I want some more fucking masks.
>>720389948Just use the goddamn reaper crest if you have problems, it's not rocket science.
>>720397201First Sinner fight is really fun for how aggressive it lets you be. Theres a real scarcity in the game of boss fights like hers and its a little sad. Since with the rest of the game youre constantly getting blind sided by contact damage or the boss summoning tanky backup.
>>720387780>die 6 or 7 times to judge>run back is killing my mojo>install quicksave point mod and put it outside the arena door>kill them in two attempts>uninstall the modwoo, back to enjoying the game. didn't even need to fight them I'd already gotten to act 2 through phantom just did it for completionist sake
>>720387780>>720389948being a PChad means I can use whatever control scheme I want for the game I'm playing, which means I can play platformers with a controller and a keyboard or two elephant dicks or a taiko drum setI bet you're on a laptop too you fucking loser
>>720399587zoom zoom
>>720399353Name five.
I wish tools would refill on benches regardless of your resources.
>>720399587How dare you? You didn't suffer through the same pointless running for the sake of bloating your playtime, what a disgrace.
>>720399115>>720399627ITT: we post our binds.
>>720399671zoomin was what I did through that runback, but the 20 seconds it took flipping through there felt worse for focus than the 30-40 second runback to orenstein and smough. guess that was half the fight because as soon as it was gone the judge was easy>>720399957I'd argue I did rob myself a bit of the mental experience but I don't care
>>720400256I'm on switch 2, so didn't really have the option, but don't feel bad. I just beat it myself but I spent significantly longer than I'd care to admit because I started getting impatient and frustrated with the runback. The self destruct also got me since I thought I was locked into an animation.
>>720400241>Jump 0>Bind 2>Attack 3>Tool ->Harpoon +What the FUCK is this shit? This is fucking torture on my fingers, why would you do this? You must be using some kind of special numpad
>>720400534>the self destructI actually wondered if that could kill you or was just a flashy end of the fight animation, stood away from them when they started up just in case lol
>>720399587>didn't even need to fight them I'd already gotten to act 2 through phantomWait wot? I assumed blasted steps was the only way there
>>720393765>that this is counterintuitive80 iq post
>>720400951Kek no I have a typical numpad, I have a very good reason for my binds
Why is it in vogue now on slash vee slash to admit that you're a shitter?
>>720401319you have 6 fingers?
>>720401319>this motherfucker is missing fingers and is still able to get to act 3You homos have no excuse
>>7204015957 rather
>>720401319What happened to you man
>>720401690Tablesaw accident
>>720401758Wow shit. Hope it happened at work and you get some money every month.
>>720401921Nope. Home.
>>720387859>find wanderer crest>realize that I actually prefer the diagonal pogo
>>720401319>got a thumbYou didn't beat the game.
>>720402020kek
>>720395194nah. stop meat-riding the devs. bullshit is bullshit.
I've seen people talk about dodge iframe, does swift step allow you to do this? Or is it something you unlock later?
>>720398580yup. wasted maybe abt an hr trying to pogo until I backtracked and discovered the skirt upgrade.
>>720401239nope, intially went Greymoore -> Sinner's Road -> Bilewater -> The Mist -> Exhaust Organ/The Phantom fight -> Choral Chambers.Which felt so damn cool going in blind, knew from a friend that blasted steps led to act 2 so I thought I'd clean up everywhere else I could first and ended up there anyways.
>>720402320Nice, although going to bilewater that early would make me pop a vein.
>>720397854>>720399115I don't see why mouse is necessary for this game
>all these pctroons admitting they installed mods to make the game easier or straight out cheatSo we can all agree that if you beat the game on PC it doesn't count, only console chads are the real winners
>>720387780i always hated the platforming even in the first game
>>720402750Why?
>>720402698Compass always doesn't count. I beat the game
>>720402320Same thing happened to me. I have no idea how to find the judge fight. Im looking for the songs right now.
>>720402791tedium >miss frame perfect jump>30s lost in having to get to the same portion again mount fey was dogshit
>>720402791Can't into pogo
>>720387780Entirety of battle toads.
>>720398445nigga its mid act1 boss you have a fucking double jump
>>720402458I basically skipped most of it in a panic the first time through, then kept rushing through until I found a bench close to the Mist because I was infatuated with figuring out the gimmick there and really liked the music
>>720387780Acquire proficiency
>>720402919There are no "frame perfect jumps">30s lostHow shit are you?
>>720389563All my complains about LS runback faded away when I got to Blightown, that shit is truly AIDS
>>7203962302D platformers are controller games. If you use the wrong tool for the job then your retard.
>>720403379>the virgin git gud
>>720402698>>720401580if I had to choose I'd rather see people cheat themselves out an experience than (consolefags) bitch and moan to the developers somethings too hard till they change it for everyone
>>720401319put me in the screencapteam cherry better not nerf anything after this
>jump>push down+attack>hornet does straight attack instead of down attack>fall in spikesi dont have time for this shit. clearly broken design. just map it to 1 button ffs
>>720402750I enjoyed it in Silksong.First game just feels like tedium. It's not really hard either. It's like you're just playing a bunch of poorly made, slow, easy Mega Man levels stitched together. It's like "look here's platforming, technically! look i'm designing a game!"
>>720403723The fuck is this? Some weird tech?
>>720403838raw skill
>>720403808>clearly broken designFix your controller rajesh
>>720403892i cant afford a new controller. my left joystick is so worn out the entire rubber came off
>>720403838What part of it was tech?He literally just bounces diagonally like you do at the start of the game + the wings you get later on.
When does this open?
>>720403967the game feels better if you control movement with the dpad not stick
It annoys the FUCK out of me that the Inventory key functions differently that the Crests, Tasks, Journal, and Map keys.""Inventory"" is not bound specifically to the Inventory screen but to them all. If you were on the map last time "Inventory" will just reopen the map screen. I have to press the Crests key and hit A 3 times to get to it and use my consumables.Absolutely fucking annoying. Needs patch
>>720404105I didnt open ut until late, but i think its avaolable early. It's just a shortcut to Shellwood
>>720404420I'm half done act 2, I've almost done exploring.
imagine being a consolefaggot raging doing endless runbacks. just lmao. master race feasting
It takes a whole 3 minutes to figure this out. How are you guys so bad at learning mechanics?
>>720403838Cheating
>>720402534my keyboard suuuucks, I spent $5 on it. so at least one of my inputs is reliable.
>>720389320>>720389568What not using tools does to a mfer
>>720389948Is this a bait where people pretend playing this game with keyboard is some sort of ultra hard difficulty?
>>720393803I'm convinced the people who bitch about the judge runback don't skip the judge + drillfly combo with the jump and wall climb at 15 seconds
>>720393765Its called adapting, most people do it
>>720387780>artificial difficultyAs a hunter crest player, just wait until you're on top of it to pogo, you just have brain damage. If this isn't enough for you, use wanderer or reaper crests, they have a down attack similar to Hollow Knight.
>>720393765>Hornet looks left: Attack goes left>Hornet looks right: Attack goes rightIt really isn't that hard
>>720389948Not only did i do it with a keyboard, I mapped attack and throw to the mouse.And I still did it.
>>720387780>hard platforming game makes platforming hard.Are you retarded?Also this wasn't was hard as people were bitching about. I thought /v/ were good at video games?
>ruins your tool system
Completely optional area btw
>>720405829>I thought /v/ were good at video games?Are you fucking retarded?
>>720387780Just time the attacks and hold down the down arrow. You nigger.
>>720401319The hero.The legend.The most badass on /v/ right now.
>>720405847I just want to be able to buy them in stacks.
>>720405829>I thought /v/ were good at video games?Nope
This is 90% of what git gud means:You can upgrade your weapon by hilighting their slots and using memory fragments at a bench. I waited all game expecting an NPC to do it.Buy the throwing weapon in deep docks, this is great for all the gauntlets and any non ground bosses.You really need to do the 6 purple pollip quest in shellwood for poison on tools. 1 hit is now 3.Kill Splinter using [spear]Wanderer's crest is in Bone Bottom, just go west from town and climb the far wallWall cling is in shellwoodKill Widow [hugging right wall]Quest in Sinner's Road to kill 10 of those sleeping guys gives floor tacks weapon that melts bosses.You can skip the last judge if you go through the mist area/exhaust organ and fight phantom, may arguably be harder. You can't reach the travel thing at exhaust organ this way it opens from the other sideGrapple hook is in underworks, all down middle room with the flame blocks, all right, all up, leftAlchemist crest is [spoiler}immediately after the hook, buy key from room with the bench and go upDouble jump is in mt fay, northwest zone past slab. This place is brutal platforming and no there isn't anything to block the cold.Hunter's March has boomerang weapon which can curve in larger enemies and hit them 4+ times.
>>720406447Boomerang is so good. Boomie spam my beloved
>>720406447Poison actually sucks, it's only 6 damage total and then you have to reapply the poison. When you have no other options for what should go in that slot, sure it's fine but that gets replaced pretty quickly.
>>720389141real, the marauder "discourse" went on for months
too easy to bait people over this game atm the moment, hope people stop biting soon.
I like the complaints for this game, every single time you can pinpoint the exact part of the game they're on before rageposting
>>720403723>Even with cheating he still had to pick up his cocoon in the middle of a platforming challenge, meaning he died thereThe absolute state of you
>>720407996That's why Team Cherry added achievements to all versions of the game too, so they can track the overall progress of the playerbase and see where people are stuck at. Apparently it was Moorfly and Sister Splinter for some reason.
>>720408651gaming is a private experience. i dont need their steam or patches. we can patch the game ourselves
>>720406690Worst platforming in the entire game easy
>>720389948pcfags are scum.
>>720398017Platformers have always been d-pad games. You have a dpad on pc. It just sucks.
>>720402534>>720399115Mouse isn't necessary, nothing is except having buttons to physically press. You bind what feels natural to you. Picrel based bind sharing anon.
>>720409997Jump on a mouse button sounds fucking horrible lel
>>720410108It's the natural interplay of jumping around and slashing, yinging and yanging on my mouse.
>>720409997>M=Map>J=Journal>T=TasksYou can do better than this anon
>>720410182Enjoy your vacation maybe anon
>ITS LE... ARTIFICIAL DIFFICULTYholy fuck you guys throw this word around with no meaning
>>720401987Same, plus it gives your attack shit range. Sticking with Hunter myself unless there's a straight upgrade later.
>>720387780I think pumpkinposting is a strawmansomeone pretends that pumpkinpogo is hard, to misrepresent "difficulty complainers" as being bad at the game
>>720401319
>>720410272I dont press those buttons except for tab in order to pull up quick map. If it suits your sensibilities it's really about this easy to fix
>Anonymous posts online>"Game is too hard">Youtube algorithm pushing Hololive members jumping on the Silksong bandwagon>"Waah! Last Judge, kawaii!!"I don't believe you.
oh look a flying enemy that moves away from you and throws stuffoh look a flying enemy that moves away from you and throws stuffoh look a flying enemy that moves away from you and throws stuffoh look a flying enemy that moves away from you and throws stuffoh look a flying enemy that moves away from you and throws stuffoh look a flying enemy that moves away from you and throws stuff
>>720410514Much better
>>720410794Challenge him to not be a pussy anon. It works
>>720410794You're supposed to use the hookshot/tools/silk skills
>>720410913And before you get any of that?
>>720410949Then you need to play beyond the first 10 minutes of the game
>>720410913merely commenting on the repetitiveness
>>720410949Anon you fucking start with a throwing needle spell and throwing knives tool
bitch ass room
>>720410913and when you run out of that?
>>720410794All the anti-tracking is insanely gay and low effort but of course because it's team cherry it's akshually the best thing ever
>>720411453QuickslashSteady bodyParryBecome unstoppable
>>720411453I just got here, fuck this shit. Takes so long if you fuck up at the end.Aside from the rampant 2-mask damage that's my second biggest gripe with Silksong. It takes for-fucking-ever to get back to the point you fail at with some fights. Runbacks, nine billion waves, four phases, whatever.
>>720410794and they're heat-seeking projectiles for some reason
>>720389320I see that artificial difficulty is the buzzword of the week.
can one of you gentlemen point me to where im supposed to go for the three songs to ascend? im retarded and keep wasting time hitting walls or fucking around doing side shit
>>720387780I set one of the extra buttons on my Pro Controller to be down on the D-pad so I could do these sections much easier. Wish they just made the pogo fun like in Shovel Knight or Ducktales.
>>720387780did we really come down to /v/ whining about unironic babymode platforming? sheesh
>>720411453The top right wall is a safe spot.
>>720412374that you're even suggesting this confirms that it's a bitch ass room
>>720411453i found it tough as balls but i didn't know people were having THAT much trouble with it. saving the floor spikes tool and healing high up midair destroyed those guys at the end.
>>720412361Just use one of the other crests. Any of the ones with a downward strike lets you do it way easier.
>most bosses after you beat them
>>720411453Took me two tries. I actually loved it. This fight is what made me a SilkMan finally. I can now deal with any mook gank rooms.First time I got two these two fags with no items and died. Second time I decided to save ALL my Boomerangs and Saws for them and just easily nuked their health when I got to them.
>>720408986There is lots of this bullshit all over.
>>720412347High HallsCog CoreWhispering Vaults
>>720412557thank you sir
>>720412347Look at the map
>>720412347they're pinned on your map?
>>720412524It felt kind of cheap spamming tools and wall clinging to beat it but it is a cheap fight after all.
>multiple areas in Act 3 have gauntlets of void enemies that reward you with nothing and since the map is mostly open you almost never HAVE to go through them except for the one time with the antsPor que?
>>720412852The dark hearts quest requires you to run around to find them
>>720393673margit filtered so many
>>720394804every time
>>720404253>Hivesteelso she was trained by Vespa.
>pilgrims in gauntlets don't give any beadsOk now THIS is bullshit
>>720389948Keyboard is literally easier, I'm playing on it.
>>720415652Yes, you even see it happen during a flashback in Act 3
>>720389948This game favors the keyboard really heavily, I think only masochists use controllers
>>720387780Real talk, every fighting game where the AI instantly reacts to your button inputs
>>720401987You can get used to it. I think the real problem with pogo is the attack delay that most crests have. That doesn't really matter with stationary targets like the red flower, but does make it more awkward to use in combat.
>>720411453This is supposed to be like this because it's a co-op fight.You can have Garmond and Zaza and/or Shakra for this fight.Garmond is easy to recruit, you unlock him by fighting him in the outside of the first shrine. To get outside the shrine, you need to go a bit to the bottom and then find an ultra secret room that is top right of a bell shaped room.look for a map or a guide or something.Shakra is harder because you need to finish her entire questline before
>>720417869i just recruited cogflies and cogwheels
>>720417869>poison tools>summon assistyou did not beat the game
Is there a reason why they couldn't just drop me at the boss fight on these memories like they did with the boss i got the silk skill fromWhy is it only in these
>>720411453An anon gave me a tipp in another thread that helped me beat it and now I'm gonna pass it on to you, they can't both attack at the same time and they usually alternate with their attacks.If you learned the patterns well enough try to unload all your tools on one of them when they spawn, once you get to 1v1 it's super easy.If you can upgrade your weapon three times first, it makes the fight much quicker.
>>720400241i just swapped attack and jump cause fuck, those defaults hurt my thumb.>>720401319i kneel, king
>>720397441My cogfly goes BZZZ BZZZ BZZZZZ.
>>720401319>firecracker hand is having an easier time than the average /v/tardAbsolute state of this board
>>720404105You need to contract AIDS.
>>720417812yeah, architect down attack has the delay and its fucking rough. whiff so many by a hair. i get it. you want me to use the drill tool.
>>720401319Reminds me of the disabled guy that could only move his head but got to immortal in dota 2.
>>720397763There's 2 Beastflies...
>>720387780Seethe
(Mega) Soul CannonIt triggers randomly
>>720387780I'm struggling so fucking hard to train myself to hit these with Beast Crest. It's so bloody dodgy and inconsistent. If the elevation is higher your can do fine, but lower? LMAO good luck not running out of hedge hog power just before the bounce.
why are you niggers so bad at video games
you guys need to GIT FUCKING GUD jesus christ
>>720406842It's 12 damage (first tick 8 and second tick 4) and stacks 3 times.Your normal hit deals 5-9-13-17-21 depending on your current nail upgrade. It's fucking STRONG early on.
>>720423776Im bucking trying. >>720423063I just walked through the first three maps with Beast Crest trying to establish good habits for its use and dialing in the visual assessment and timing of when a downward strike can and can't bounce.
>Lost Lace phase 3Yup, I'm filtered.
>>720389948No, you can't because you are a deformed Quasimodo nigger who can't hit two keys at the same time.
>>720410594i think it's funny that the average /v/ermin shits on vtumors but is also worse at vidya than them
>>720410794hit the taunt buttonit forces them to get closer
>>720424047Trust me, only attack her after she finishes her attacks. Don't try to beat her with brute force, that goes with most bosses and enemies here. You want to exploit their lack of moment with your excess of movement and strike when they're recovering from their attack duration.
>>720387780>wait a minute, I play platformers
>>720387780>30>still find that area easy even with keyboard do gen alpha really?
>>720387780The opposite. It's in fact one of the most honest things in all of Silksong. Because Silksong's platforming game DNA is at its core and it wears it on its sleeve. Platforming challenges in a platforming game are not dishonest and pogo challenges are not artificial.
>>720424850>Where you going? This is a perfectly good moment to engage in ragebait.
>>720389937nigger beastfly is the definition of unfun bullshit.its a boss with two easy attacks thats only hard because it shits out a constant stream of enemies.and then the rematch in far fields is even worse if you dont cheese it.
>>720387780I can't believe people have trouble with these jumps, what the hell.
>>720425247you need to wail on his spawnables and get it over with as fast as you can. You can't do this patiently and calculated as it'll fill up the arena.
>>720394661>>720395194>the feeling of victory against a boss is improved by... making you spend more time walking to the boss than actually fighting itits bullshit.the only place is is justifiable is bilewater because that was explicitly designed to be the definition of "rage inducing bullshit"
>>720425598WAH WAH FUCKING WAH DO YOU WANNA KEEP CRYING ABOUT IT STOP BEING SUCH A BABY
Just started Act 2. Where the FUCK are all the mask shards hiding? If I find another silk upgrade I'm going to lose it.
>>720425684>i think its kinda stupid that the game wastes your time by making you->WAHHHH WAHHH YOU'RE A BIG BABY. SEE ME CRYING LIKE A BABY THAT MEANS YOU'RE A BABY! BABY BABY BABY!!!!!!ok.
>>720425745gottem lol
I fucking hate this area so much. Yes I know the gimmick, but that doesn't stop it from being cancer.
>>720401987Because its short range does not launch you high enough. The Last Judge run back makes me realize I'm better off trying to optimize the pogo than learning the boss itself.
>>720412496I'm baffled by how fucking stingy they are with currency in this game compared to the first. What really grinds my gears is how you get jack shit for beating any locked room encounters.
>the patch just came outRIP. Nobody will ever beat Silksong again
wow you guys really are dogshit at video games
When should I actually bother buying a simple key? The game seems determined to keep you broke.
>>720423063When beast crest clicks, it clicksIt's honestly really good for platforming as long as you don't need to pogo upward>>720425247He's fun
If I 100% celeste, would I have trouble with hollow knight or silksong? Celeste had no combat so I'm not sure if the platforming skill translates.
>>720426373yes, celeste is an incredibly player friendly controlling game, silksong controls barely work in comparison. You will die through no fault of your own
>>720425871the easiest area in the game. Just kill the ghosts
I waited 6 years for a completely different version of the current game I had made up in my mind, you HAVE to adapt the game so it's easy enough for me and exactly how I had imagined it! No I won't use my abilities, no I won't use my tools, no I won't explore to find rosaries, I want to spam button attack, rush boss to boss, have infinite money to buy everything right away, and heal to full after getting hit 20 time in a row by face tanking everything. Also don't forget to add benches before every boss that way I don't have to practice my moveset and mobility and can just go back to facetanking everything without losing precious seconds. The current state of the game is a disgrace to your fans, and I hope you address the issues quickly.
>>720426243until you get cornered by the bladestorm flies, or are forced to a single platform as the fucker spawns two lava spitters and then follows with a charge attackreally its more a problem with add bosses in SS in general.
>>720426243>can't stay in the air cause of pogo>platforms disappear adds appear>fall to death
>>720426497>Also don't forget to add benches before every bossthis but unironically, add a difficult platforming challenge before the boss itself for the player to prove movement mastery rather than annoying the player with "the straight line of mild inconvenience"
>>720400241>Nerfing himself by not using the mouse buttonsI kneel...
>>720426640>>720426574>forced to a single platform>platforms disappearLure him back over the first platform he destroys so he dives into the lava. He'll destroy a platform when he shoots back out, but it's slower and lets you clear out the adds while also reducing the likelihood that you'll end up with one or two platforms.
>>720426640>platforms re-emerge faster than all can be taken down>harpoon can be chained in midair on the same enemy>you're at full health anyway so you can take damageI feel like it's almost harder to die than it is to live.
>>720426792>HarpoonYou can get there before harpoon>platforms re-emergeDoesn't really help when adds and boss can totally deny your place on one, does it?>you are full healthrandom clip of the fly's hitbox or those flaming spitting asholes lingering projectile and you are in oneshot combo juggle territory
I hate the stupid fucking void attacks that are recycled on every stupid fucking enemy that exist to do nothing but waste your time and make every fight feel exactly the same. I will not be 100%ing this game and it's going to exist lower than hollow knight to me even though it was going to be one of my all time favorites before act 3.>git gudI got good and beat it. That doesn't make every single enemy in the game spamming the same projectiles and pausing the fight every 2 seconds to spaz out any fun. Also every other enemy just not being there at all, every zone being filled with ugly garbage and constant screaming. I wish the game ended earlier even if it meant losing all of the kino time travel fights.It's not fun or cool, it just sucks and makes the game worse.
>>720387780Use the D-pad you fat fingered retard
>>720390646I thought Mt. Fay was fun.
>>720389320Retards can’t turn west. There’s also a bench right above craw lake, dickhead.
>>720389563Every single complaint anyone has about this game boils down to >I went the wrong way and complainedGo kill phantom of the opera, there is no run back for her. Get claw line or even feydown and you don’t have to do the shit part of the judge run back.
>>720389937I struggled with it, until I learnt to just bait the down slam which is free hits on it and stops it doing any other attacks.
>>720428907I thought Mt. Fay was boring and not all that hard. It literally just felt like the same platforming segment repeating over and over.
>>720391352Phantom has a bench in the same damn room, there is no runback
>>720390551The bosses, like all games, respond to your movements. If the boss is spastic it’s because you’re spastic. Widow, hunters march and Beastfly, craw lake, and phantom were all brain dead easy. If you aren’t a backwards retard who did it in the wrong order.
>>720387859>>720390462its even easier on keyboard you massive faggotjust press S and attack.on keyboard you can swap between A and D instantly, and press AS / DS at the same time whereas on controller you have to transition, which introduces user error of pressing things at the wrong time or over adjustingeither way you dont have to press a diagonal to attack, just hold downthe game even lines you up with them using the vines, as seen in the bottom right of OPicrel
>>720391158>>7203912802vents, one of them is safe.
>>720403723>so this is the power of metal gear
>>720426243>beastbro AND parrychadI KNEEL
>>720393026>>720394661I cant believe how many people (mutts) dont understand this simple concept>They're supposed to frustrate you so there are actual stakes to the fight.They are literally your punishment, its like falling down after a jump and having to do it all again.The point is to make you suffer from failure so there is a real, tangible penalty for said failure. Games with boss-respawns, like Elden Ring, prove this very concept is true and neccessary. look at how tourists took on bosses in ER compared to DaS or DeS. in ER theyre throwing themselves at it over and over like autistic headless chickens until they win through attrition, not being careful, just slowly learning to get hit less.Meanwhile in DS they are being cautious, slow, methodical, and dedicating time to watching, observing and learning. They fear death. In ER is mearly a frustration to whinge about, in DS its an actual punishment to avoid, because each loss means something tangible to the playerpeople who bitch about 'runbacks' are video game tourists, they dont want a game, they wont to be told they won.
I will say.I'm pretty happy to see such a big mainstream game without any iframe rolls and parrysloppa.
>>720410794>game provides you tools to deal with certain things more easily>refuse to use them because of some false sense of purity and pride>get mad when the thing designed to be frustrating without tools is frustratingthe souls community was the worst thing to happen to gaming at large
>>720430723>without any iframe rolls and parrysloppaare you sure about that one?
>>720401987Witch Crest has some amazing diagonal pogo, and if you miss it doesn't punish you like Hunters' does.
>>720401319meanwhile I'm seeing multiple people on 4chan getting absolutely dumpstered and tilted by the Last Judge lmao, nice work
>>720401319>>720401758>Anon overcomes a buzzsaw incident to become good at Hollow KnightPale King was right, its the best way to raise a talented child
>>7203980172D platformers are objectively better with keyboard, the movement is already 2-4 directional so a stick is useless and with KB you use 3 fingers for your movement rather than just your thumb meaning you can have faster and more precise movements. It's just that some people are so used to playing everything that isn't an FPS with a controller that they have a hard time switching
>>720401319incredible
>>720408986>he hasn't climbed back up the CradleOh man you have NO idea
>>720426243grappling hook looks so fun I wish I could incorporate it into my playstyle more, but I kept taking damage when I used it
>>720389948i literally just got to act 3 using laptop keyboard
>>720410594>>720424508Keep in mind that gaming journalists are also giving the game top marks. Meanwhile random 4chan gamers are melting down about 2 mask damage hits.
>>720430723>without parrysloppa>he doesn't know
>>720430136If cumguzzling cocksuckers like you actually played video games, you would know that in every single metroidvania that isn't this incompetent low-quality slop it is impossible to "go the wrong way" because it's immediately obvious you're going the wrong way from either the trash mobs being way too hard to kill, or the platforming becoming impossible.In Troonsong, the trash mobs are cancer everywhere, and the platforming is cancer everywhere, there is no actual wrong way to go.
>>720426050sometimes I'll get into a cul-de-sac where there's only an empty room with some enemies and no secrets (that I could find) and I wonder if I am tripping or something
>>720428596In Act 3 I just ran past every enemy aside from the ones I had to clear for the dark heart quest. Why the hell were you fighting them?
>>720431767>I am bad at the game so its a bad gamegit gud
>>720389948Put me in the screencap
>>720431767>there is no actual wrong way to gothen why is that a bad thing?
>>720426050>What really grinds my gears is how you get jack shit for beating any locked room encounters.its a combat game. your reward is the satisfaction of a job well done :Dyea it fucking sucks cock. thats why I like metroid more. its the king of power scaling metroidvanias, except I didnt finish rabi ribi so idk probably
>>720408986its easy as fuck. are you a homosexual?
>>720426050>What really grinds my gears is how you get jack shit for beating any locked room encounters.Seriously, It's baffling how they removed any Rosario gains from enemies in them. Worst design I have ever seen.
About to be done with the game so here's a random reviewThe game is not difficult but it is festered with a lot of cheap shit. This is more noticeable in act 2 than act 3, because in act 3 the devs stopped with the whole>arena is 20km from bench>long gauntlet over AIDS or lava>recycled minibosses that spawn flying shooterAct 2 is fucking horrible and I'm surprised that I enjoyed act 3. The overall difficulty, not counting the shitty minibosses, is average. Most of act 2 bosses die first attempt for no good reason. Act 3 bosses are harder but right now there are only like 2-3 memorable bosses. The game overall lends much of its famed "difficulty" from the shitty copypasted fights. One of the hardest fights for me in act 3 was ... double moss mother with black goo. It's just crazy lazy how they just copy the literal first boss in the game twice and makes it hard.Also thanks god there's no grinding in act 3. Surprised there wasn't a quest that requires 1 billion rosaries or something. God I hate act 2.
>>720411453Anybody try sawblades on these? I noticed it can hit the far choir bugs like 10 times, should be good on these as well.
A majority of you guys never played a Hideki Kamiya game and it shows. I LOVE the new rider kick down attack. I actually didn't like the down attack in the first game because of how floaty it was but accepted it.
>>720431767the one hard-ish section I've seen so far is the ants one and it has a big scary guy right at the entrance to make pussies fuck off, maybe you are just shit at games if you think that the normal trash mobs that slowly move towards you and die in 3 hits (1-2 seconds) are cancer?Like seriously where the hell is this hardcore early game difficulty /v/irgins have been crying about? I've got 3 crests and I'm pretty sure I'm getting close to completing act 1 and 90% of the game has been trivially easy so far
>>720432119I'm not reading all that
>>720432119I read all that
>>720432173>Like seriously where the hell is this hardcore early game difficulty /v/irgins have been crying about?They cant power level to curbstomp the early game and they seem incapable of learning new mechanics. So many people are just trying to facetank shit.
yesssss speedrun sisters how fast have we beat the game todayim already at 12 hours for 100% completion, if only TC made the game harderrrrr
>>720432645I'm going to go for the any% run achievement, the 100% run seems way too sloggy but I respect the grind. Seems like a fun speedrun game in general though.
>>720432383I bet they play the game like they are racing against time, weaving through mobs rather than killing them one by one only to get swarmed by them, and trying to speed kill bosses by attacking them as much as possible rather than making sure they can dodge the next attack.The game is much easier if you keep calm and take it slow, but I guess people are in a hurry to finish it so they can brag online or move on to the next FOMO
>>720398108if he does the mid height attack just reaper pogo of him, works on my machine. When it's too high you stay on the ground. It's only bad when flyers corner you which shouldn't happen with silkstorm and toolspam.
>>720403723Based desu
>>720432383 Exactly this. Most of these dudes treat every game like it’s Skyrim-spam attack, heal through everything, and cry when it doesn’t work. They see a new enemy pattern and their brain just shuts off. If you stop and actually learn the enemy tells, the game’s not even remotely hard, just demands a shred of focus. But nah, gotta try and brute force everything with zero movement and then blame the devs when it goes sideways.
>do all of hunter's march>my reward is getting kidnappedfucking rude
>>720387780How many of peoples complaints about the pogoing in silksong be attributed to modern controllers having shit dpads?
>>720433269I'm using a fucking xbox controller and I'm fine, people are just bad.
>>720433245wait what? I just came back from there and I thought I saw everything (except for the upper part that seems to require a wall jump), is it there or did I miss something?
>>720396643I'm going to though because I like pressing a trigger to shoot.
>>720433313Well right above the shortcut to deep docks there's a room with a guy carrying a jail, I got hit and that's where the naked Hornet part happens
>>720387780Already uninstalled because apparently the game is just not for me (i hate exploration game) but this section was actually fun. In fact, my only complaint about this section before you get the dash is that it's too short and doesn't make use of pogo jumping on enemies either>>720433269Probably a lot, I bet some people also play using analog sticksBut I also think a lot of people don’t even realize they’re just playing with high input lag, since the game has vsync enabled and runs in borderless window mode by default
>>720394597Maybe go play something more your speed like barbie horse adventures then.
>>720389320The game has an NPC that tells you that area is a dangerous challenge and yet you keep doing it over and over. I am convinced most of the biggest whiners are just trying to facetank hard optional content early and crying when they aren't being rewarded with free wins.
is there anything out there that could possibly make /v/ admit that a game can be too hard?
>>720401319Based. This BTFOs any complaint about difficulty from whiners. Teamcherry needs to put this in their next patch notes
>>720433529thanks I'll go check it out, this reminds me of the sack dude in Bloodborne, it should be fun
>>720389231>anything in e33>pleb filterYou can get so OP so easily I doubt anyone got filtered by anything.
>>720432786If you get an hour to play each night after work I can understand not wanting to fight every enemy individually on each attempt
>>720433923This place sucks dick at video games, its a board for getting mad at twitter posts and popular things.
>>720434105that's exactly what I'm doing (played since release and I'm at 10 hours) and I'm having a lot of fun, if I didn't burn out with ER in a 100h playthrough (before DLC) I'm probably not gonna get burned out on this game either.I understand why some people in a similar situation prefer chill games with guaranteed progression, but with the right mindset even just beating a boss in your daily hour of playing can be satisfying
It's fine for Silksong to have a skill ceilling. It's not even that fucking high.
>>720433747I'd rather replay Sekiro again, at least that game understands how to make hard fights satisfying and fun.
>>720433923They can be too hard, but Silksong isn't one of them. You're just bad at the game.
>>720389948No, YOU can't lol. I already finished the game on KBM.
>>720434303Silksong basically does have guaranteed progression, its not like you lose items or map progress or anything. You can lose your rosaries but you can get them back, and its better than Hollow Knight because at least you can bank them into a held item.>>720434359Silksong has fun bosses though. There are a few flubs but most are good to great.
>>720433812Optional content is intended to be beaten roughlt at the time you encounter it. If you play for 10 more hours and get more upgrades, you are too OP for that content and you didn't beat it.
>>720434402The guy is clearly dogshit at the game though
>>720387780i admit they made me rage at first but you get used to themshit like the environmental hazards in the sand zone dealing 2 masks of damage however is FUCKING dumb
>>720434440>shit like the environmental hazards in the sand zone dealing 2 masks of damage however is FUCKING dumbLiterally got patched out, all environmental damage except lava is 1.
>>720434382>Silksong has fun bosses thoughMaybe past Act 1, but I didn't make it that far yet. So far every single boss was irredimable trash. 2-3 moves repeated over and over with fuckhuge hitbox and optional area-denial minions up your ass for extra flavor. TC truly solved game design.
>>720434382yeah every day I felt like I had a bunch of progress so far (even took the time to farm a few rosary beads at times), but I can see things slowing down if the challenge will get significantly harder further on
>tilt down>goes diagonally>need to first press right or left to adust directionHornet's pogo controls are just bad. You should be able to tilt diagonally whichever way to instantly attack there, OR have another button for it instead of the joystick/dpad. The current controls are just illogical and clunky.
>>720434537>Widow>Phantom>Last JudgeSorry for your shit taste.
>>720434480oh hmmat least i beat the 'harder' moorwing and splinter
>>720434369Name a game that's too hard by any standard. You can't.
>>720387780MK2's arcade cabinet is an actual carny scam that's impossible to win playing normally.
>>720389948Thank god for me being in my 30s and having the experience with emulators with my kb+m. Thank you god for not making me a shitter
>>720434537anon i think you just don't like the game
I’m gonna be honest /v/ I started modding the bullshit out of this game like grinding for prayer beads and double damage on basic shit. The games much better now I can just explore without being locked out of basic mechanics like fucking bench’s and fast travel because I don’t want to seek out the specific enemies that drop them and grind
>>720434939Honestly that sounds pathetic but its a single player game so you do you.
>>720434939thanks for confessing you're a shitter. i hope you have fun
>>720393803I mean this is still the longest runback in the game by a good margin
>>720393803The Mantis Lords and Hive Knight and Soul Master and Traitor Lord runbacks were so much fucking worse, I feel legitimately insane. Did people just memory hole what Hollow Knight was like? You can get back to Last Judge faster than Charlie Kirk's death.
>>720434939Just beat the bullshit mount fay, pushing a button to refill my life. No regrets.What fast travel mod are you using? I hate the citadel.
>the board that hates video games is also terrible at video gamesI'm not surprised
>>720435050No fast travel ones yet but just having infinite beads so I can unlock them when I find them. I debated the Marika stakes mod but that felt a bit too far
>>720434359Does it? A frequent criticism I hear is that it turns boss fights into mere rhythm games.
>>720435210>>720435050You cheated yourself
My only complaint so far is that I didn't see a fast travel spot in Hunter's March so going back to the merchant was annoying
>>720435418And it’s a video game? I bought it to enjoy it not to appease you
>>720435631>pay for a game>cheat at itMight as well just watch the ending on youtube
>>720435631>he bought the game to ruin his own experiencelol
>>720435248If a fight reminds of a rhythm game, developers achieved peak game design. They actually managed to get you in the flow state and made you feel the rhythm of the game. This is a good thing. It's not a criticism.
>>720434939Based, this is how the game should've been from the start. Troon Cherry spent 7 years grinding Silksong non stop and it warped their perception of difficulty, so they had to add some artificial obstacles like paid bench
>>720435830this, only DMC fags who always bring up "muh player expression" and who believe that juggling passive enemies is aking to painting on a canvas would disagree.Sekiro feels amazing, and it has one of the coolest final bossfights in gaming
>>720435892You guys are mentally ill lmao
>>720435970>team cherry spends 7 years locked in an echo chamber of their own studio designing this thing>no player input and make a bunch of changes for the sake of it>you aren’t allowed to disagree with these decisions and improve your own play experience
>>720435892There’s nothing more troon than crying about devs not adapting a game to you instead of following their artistic vision. You’re just like the faggots asking for gay characters in straight-only games. You're the very thing you hate.
>>720436048And the game is getting rave reviews and incredible sales, and only butthurt losers who want instant gratification are seething. You people are fucking awful at video games, thank fuck Team Cherry didnt listen to people like you.
>>720436060Except these are people who still gave money and are now modifying their copy to make it more enjoyable to them. What’s the issue?
>>720436060What is a straight only game? It sure isnt Hollow Knight.
>>720436109The complaint was about fucking paid bench’s how is that a skill issue? If dark souls suddenly made you pay embers to light bonfires you’d be annoyed
>>720436159Its literally a skill issue, you're so shit that you want everything handed to you instead of using your resources wisely and celebrating a mod that makes the game easier.
>>720436192Hollow Knight didn’t have it and it was perfectly good, it was a pointless addition
>>720436228hollow knight had paid benches and fast travel too, you moron
>>720436192>uhh it's skill issue because... it's just is, okay?!Little NPC brain broke, no wonder you are bandwaggoning normalfags praise this game
>>720436292Its not my fault I'm a better gamer than you bro
>>720436292Normalfag sissies are complaining about the difficulty and dropping it, just like you
>>720436240It had 4 total in the entire game
>>720436348And geo was largely worthless beyond the start of the game.
>>720434989Bilewater,Hunters March at the enemy rush and Sinners Road before you hit the Benches all say hi dumbass. And thats all Act 1 shit. Bilewater especially makes Judges look like a quick breather.
>>720436159>If dark souls suddenly made you pay embers to light bonfires you’d be annoyedDark Souls has worse bullshit, like doing the long-ass hike back up from Blighttown only to fine the bonfire in Firelink Shrine inactive
>>720436192You dumb ape, the only thing paid benches add to the game is they force you to grind as if it's a 2010 korean mmo. There are areas with like 2-3 pilgrim enemies in total and benches that cost 60-80, the supply of rosaries is too low. There's no skill expression in running back and forth grinding the same enemies to get enough. You are disingenuous faggot and your mouth is full of TC's cock
>>720436579>he had to grind for benchesThis is telling me that you lost your rosaries and then died before getting your shade, skill issue.
>>720435965I like both, I love DMCs freedom to perform gorillion moves to dunk on bosses, I love Sekiro's rhythm combat and I love Hi-Fi Rush with actualy rhythm combat.Silksong is awkward middle ground, where enemies move erratically and don't have any rhythm and at the same time your toolset and moveset is too damn small and everyone is a damage sponge.
>>720436579>he needs to grind for 80 rosariestell me you're bad without telling me you're bad
>>720436693Nine Sols definitely has more fun combat, in Silksong I like exploring around and I view bossfights as mere obstacles
>>720436612Wrong. Who the fuck are you trying to decieve? You disingenuous cunt. Everybody here played the game. There are areas with less than 100 rosaries in total and several benches that cost 60-80. I lost only like 100-200 rosaries total in the entire game as of yet.>>720436697The same goes to you, nigger, who are lying to? Enemies drop like 20 at best and in Act 1 they drop ~10. And the benches are not the only thing that costs rosaries. You have to grind them and everybody complains about it.
>>720436481>blighttownDon’t remind me, I loved waiting for my poison level to go down whilst being gangbanged by mosquitos
>>720436829>Everybody here played the game.Most of the thread is people seething and being filtered like you.
>>720436829>admitting he lost rosaries because he diedLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OF COURSE ITS A SHITTER
>>720436880How am I "filtered", when I am actively playing and progressing the game, you brain rotten gorilla nigger?>>720436909Your concession has been accepted.
>>720436945>How am I "filtered", when I am actively playing and progressing the game, you brain rotten gorilla nigger?You're not going to beat Karmelita or Lost Lace, you lack the skill.
>>720436612>>720436697If you always have enough rosaires for every bench, it tells me you are a shitter who had to restart area over and over again. Uh oh
>>720436909>people dying in a soulslikeJust admit you’re trolling at this point
>>720436982>Silksong>soulslikeIts a metroidvania you mental midget
paid benches are based
>>720436969TC cock gulper got so uppity he is now writing fanfiction about me
>>720388315dark souls 2 is better on artificial difficulty than dark souls 3 onward and than silksong. Dark souls 2 has readeable tells and reactable timings. And infinite healing. And a lot more souls to spare than any other souls game in existence
>>720437032You're not good enough to beat the final boss dawg, Act 3 is going to ruin you.
reminder that the silksong shitposter is the same anti-E33 schizo spammer
>>720437073My cock is ruining your moms anus right now
>>720437089>Silksong and E33 both broke /v/God this place really is allergic to good games
>worms in quicksand now do 1 pitiful damageThe casuals won.
>>720436060>t. butthurt consolefag
>>720436060Not my fault their vision is objectively dogshit korea-tier game design.
>>720437364>>720437421>one minute apart
>paid benches reward bad players who die a lot and replay the same area over and over again>paid benches punish good players who complete that part of the area on first try>this is a good game design, apparently
>People nowadays confuse tedium with difficultyThis is why we told you to play an arcade game instead of some RPG variant no grinding, just playing
>>720437496Everyone but shitters love the game so yeah its a well designed game
>>720436979or alternatively I managed to kill 3 enemies in a row without dyingkeep coping shitter
>>720434431I'm better than you at the game I guarantee it.
>>720437528But you are a shitter and you love the game? That doesn't add up. How come I'm always short on rosaries, because I'm never forced to replay the area? Sounds like you have to restart a lot, because you are bad.
>>720436829>Enemies drop like 20 at bestsome drop more than that, also at 20 rosaries that's 4 enemies you need to kill for a benchif that's too difficult for you then I can't help youjust stop being bad
>>720437623I beat the game without buying all the benches because I didnt need them (I'm too good)
>>720437505I'd rather play fast paced fps like beyond citadel or ultra killThose games are both harder and more fun than Silksong because there is no bullshit at all
>>720437564You didn't play the game. 3 enemies is less than 30 rosaries.
>>720437496if you managed to complete an area first try you should have more than enough rosaries for a benchbut you didn't, and you died, and you didn't even manage to get your rosaries backshitter
>>720437630Enemies who drop 20 or more are very rare, in Act 1 they basically don't even exist. Most drop around 10 and less. And some areas don't even have 8 pilgrim enemies around.
>>720436693>>720436806/thread
>>720437672sorry you're stuck in act 1 anonmaybe play something else
>>720437703I coast through some areas, killing everything and not dying a single time and multiple times I was low on rosaries. You are a lying low skill faggot, who manages to complete the area on 10th attempt at best and that's why you always have enough. You are beneath me in skill and your opinion doesn't matter.
>>720437709they do exist, greymoor scissor guys drop around 20 rosaries iircwhen you reach the citadel most enemies give around 20-30
>>720437734Sorry you have to make shit up to veil your concession.
>>720437657Still good choice
>>720437791lmao I ran through the citadel without dying exploring and completing quests and I had +1000 rosaries on mein fact many times I lost between 400-700 rosaries because I'm a retard that runs around with his pockets full and not once did I have to farmyou suck, why is it so hard for you to admit
>>720437791Everyone in the Citadel drops a billion rosaries, you have a skull issue.
>>720437838wow you had to ask gpt for that retort? no wonder you're shit at the game
>>720437879>>720437908I didn't make it to the citadel yet. I stated that there are multiple areas that don't provide enough rosaries and your cope that some other areas do just proves me more right. You have no argument, you had enough rosaries in Act 1 solely because you played like shit and were forced to replay those areas with low rosaries supply.
>>720437958If you zoomers can't even conceive typing more than 3 words without LLM's, you are fucked.
>>720438051The better question is why tf rosaries are even locked to certain enemy types to begin with it just makes it irritating
>>720438051if you didn't die so much you'd have enough rosariesact 1 a bench is like maybe 7-8 enemies depending where you are, around 4 enemies around greymoor/sandblasted steps/sinner's roadif you're having trouble with benches now you're gonna get pissed once you get to the underworks, you're in for a big surprise lmao
>>720438238Dying doesn't take your rosaries away, though, what are you on about? Dying a lot is the exact thing that boosted your rosaries supply and the reason you could always afford a bench.
