What are your top 5 CRPGs?
Bg3Wasteland 3Divinity original sin 2Disco elysiumAll the rest are boring
in no order >fallout 2 >atom rpg>underrail>age of decadence>arcanum
>>720509661Planescape: TormentBaldurs Gate 2Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous (modded)KOTOR 2Arcanum
>>720509661I don't know about top five, but Arcanum is definitely my absolute favourite. Can't tell you how many times I've played it. In fact I'm going to replay it right now. I'll speedrun to The Void with a minmaxed tech build, my last playthroughs have all been magical.
crpg is such a terrible genre
>>720510096the community edition (reverse engineered open source version) released this month. don't think it's worth playing currently but it opens up cool possibilities for modding/porting if people are dedicated enough
>>720510093how do you slog through pathfinder wotr? even when i modded out the god-awful homm clone that is on the map ive only gotten as far as the demon city and just quit out of boredom, its just endless encounters of trashmobs and dull dei characters, feels like the game is a job instead of an enjoyable experience
>>720510374Link? I couldn't find anything about this on Google. Are you not thinking of the ToEE Steam release?
>>720509743Man Divinity is so great. I love how when I enter a town where the entire population was brutally tortured and ritual murdered in the most dick, gruesome way by psychotic orcs and not-vikings, the very compsnions who gleefully carried out vengeful murder on these cultists call me a demon with a wretched, rotten heart the moment I suggest we blackmail two of these cultists who happen yo be an interspecies gay couple. Called the most evil piece of shit alive by the cynical misanthropic necromancer who sees all life as expendable tools towards his end goal, even. Because no matter what, respect and veneration LGBTQI+ goes above everything, even such silly concepts as "roleplay".Larian truly are the masters of their craft. Their craft being talentless, deranged, mentally ill retards.
>>720510563https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/arcanum-reversed-engineered-ce-is-released.154346/
>>720509661tyrannyTorment Tides of Numenerakotor 1kotor 2bg3
BG2DO:SDeadfireBG3Icewind DaleHonorable mentions:EncasedKingmakerTyranny
Bg3Bg2Ps:tRogue traderDeadfire
>>7205096611. Age of Decadence, my beloved depraved fetish RPG built for me and me alone, it's a shame that Colony Ship is trash2. Fallout 1, had been my favorite until AoD3. Baldur's Gate 3, main reason I'm saying 3 over 1 or 2 is because I've played those so much already and even though I've done 4 full plays of BG3 with a 5th in progress I will probably be re-playing it more than the first two games for at least the near future, similar reasoning with Fallout 1 getting the nod since I replay it the most4. Morrowind, it's mostly up here due to TR because I'd still rate Morrowind highly but TR is what pushes it into the best5. Neverwinter Nights, played it a ton at launch, made modules and did scripting for other people's modules, first game I ever bought DLC for, still play it a lot now. This is another one where it's the modding that boosts it up here since the Wailing Death is garbage even if the expansion campaigns are fun, but as janky and messy as the game is it's still absolutely one of my all-time favorites
>>720510096Just got my Vendigroth Device yesterday.It's amazing how even with a mod buffing guns greatly, they still manage to suck for a little while.18 Perception requirement feels like 10 levels of gaining absolutely nothing of value, unlike the dexterity req of every other single combat skill in the game.
>>720510492>Modded outYou do know you can set it to skip in the options menu, right?
>>720510798>>720510874Never played Tyranny. What makes it stand out?
>>720509661i played underrail, fallout 1, and geneforge... idk i don't play a lot of crpgs.
>>720509661Fallout 1Icewind DaleWizardry 6Might and Magic 4+5Baldur's Gate 2I don't like them anymore. Dropped the genre after I flushed:Divinity OS 1Wasteland 2Pillars of Eternity 1KingmakerBaldur's Gate 3
>>720509661>Planescape Torment>Deus Ex>Fallout>Arcanum>Underrail
>>720509661BG2NWN (Hordes)WotRDeadfireUnderrailI don't know how to evaluate the "best" but if i search my feelings, these are the CRPG games that gave me the most enjoyment.
>>720511719Cool brutal bronze age setting and mint spellcrafting system.
>>720511719Not those anons, but it's got a neat spell system (You find runes which can be combined to customize and make spells. So you get to customize your spells AND it gives casters something to be excited for when looting since new runes means new magic) and a neat semi-bronze age early iron age setting with some cool wrinkles for how shit works, and it's very reactive and choice-friendly and lends itself well to replaying. The two biggest weak points (For me at least) are it has relatively boring encounter design for how common combat is since enemy variety's very limited and not used that creatively, and it's extremely easy to spread your skills across the party so you'll have a 100% chance to pass any skill check that lets you make a party-roll rather than PC-only>>720512014>don't know how to evaluate the "best"General rule of thumb is come up with the names that first come to mind, then for ordering just think about what you'd most like to play among them and sort it that way
>>720509743Peak normiecore
dude sexarcanumfallout 2vampire bloodlinesjackie chan adventures the game>>720510105is right though the genre is kind of fucked. the fanbase is mega autistic and extremely demanding while also having no clue what they actually want from a game.
>>720512389the whole genre is "normiecore"
>>720512309>>720511719Also the companions tilt too female, Lantry and Barik are the only bros you can run, I get that the setting is a matriarchy but I still think it was the first sign Obsidian was being gay. At least Siren is accidently erotic.
>>720509661If we talking about only isometric/party based then:Fallout classic and its modsBG2Dragon Age OriginsUnderrailArcanum
>>720512548>Oil in the quick items
ArcanumPlanescapeUnderrailNeverwinternights 2Fallout Sonora (mod)
Baldur's Gate 1Neverwinter Nights 1those are the only ones I really cared for, but I didn't play many and I don't particularly like the genre.
>>720512546Not really. Normalfags can't stand "UGH LE CLUNKINESS, THE LACK OF QOL" of the older games. So they just play the entry level reddit tier games like the ones you mentioned
>>720509661Knights of the Old Republic 1 Pathfinder Wrath of the RighteousUnderrailPillars of Eternity (on hardest difficulty; I only like that game for its gameplay systems and dungeon/encounter designs)idk maybe Fallout 2
>>720512548SHE'S 16 YOU SICK FUCK
>>720509661KOTOR2Icewind DaleMorrowindBaldur's Gate 1Baldur's Gate 2
soier is a retard. best part of rpgs is dungeon crawling and waifus>muh quests bro! muh politics!yeah i totally care about the slightly different cutscene im gonna get bro
>>720513196I actually restart if I don't get the cutscene/story outcome I want on second playthrough
>>720509661WOTRBG3NeverwinterDOS 2Planescape
>>720511719Girlbosses.The setting is kino but the game is really pozzedI really find weird how lefties somehow combine Grimdark settings with 0 human rights and yet manage to put modern world social messages like you would give a fuck when no life is worth a shit in the game.
fallout 2kotor 2bg2poe 2 (deadfire)pathfinder 2 (wotr)
ArcanumShadowrun DragonfallVampire The masquerade (does it count?)BG3I can't say I like CRPGs that much.
>>720512859it's mostly how boring the games are to actually play and it's not like they are particularly deep in any way to compensate, combat is mostly memorizing and a knowledge check about some shit D&D system, stories adn NPC interactions are genuinely cringe most of the time, sometimes they have a cool setting like Fallout, but the game itself is still a chore to play.
>>720509661>Quest for Glory IV>Wizardry 8>Horizon's Gate>Lands of Lore>Dark Sun: Shattered LandsPlanescape's pretty dope, though.
>>720509661KotOR 2Neverwinter Nights 2Pathfinder Wrath of the RighteousNeverwinter NightsDragon Age Origins
noxdiablo 2arx fatalisdark soulselden ring
>>720510798>Tides of NumeneraIsn't that Monte Cook's gayass minimalist system?
>>720509661Fallout 1Fallout 2UnderrailArcanumWasteland 2Wasteland 3AtomI don't enjoy Fantasy/DnD CRPGs. I dunno, I just hate the setting and characters. They feel more like a storybooks with less player agency.
>>720513913If you've got QfG so high I assume you've played some of the modern homages, right?https://store.steampowered.com/app/283880/Heroines_Quest_The_Herald_of_Ragnarok/https://store.steampowered.com/app/270610/Mages_Initiation_Reign_of_the_Elements/https://store.steampowered.com/app/375440/HeroU_Rogue_to_Redemption/
>>720514038none of those are crpgs
>>720509661>Baldur's Gate 3Things i like about it: 1.Level Design 2.Combat 3.Writing & Gameplay Reactivity/Interactivity 4.Character Performance (aka acting) 5.RPG mechanics>Might and Magic 6Things i like about it: 1.Exploration 2.RPG mechanics/Character customization 3.Addictive loot and spell systems 4.Aesthetics>FalloutThings i like about it: 1.Atmosphere 2.Perks 3.Dialogue 4.Faction systems>Deus Ex (i dont think its one but its getting listed)Things i like about it: 1.Level Design 2.Themes 3.Music 4.general Gameplay >Divinity Original Sin 2Things i like: 1.Level design 2.Combat 3.Narrator 4.Music 5.Co-op
>>720509661There are no good rpgs.
>>720514443I've played Hero U and liked it just fine, but I haven't seen the other two. I'll definitely check them out.
>>720514968what games do you like?
>>720514165Arcanum is a fantasy RPG, though. It just happens to be a fantasy world that hit the Industrial Revolution.
>>720509661TyrannyDisco ElysiumUnderrailPlanescape: TormentPathfinder: Kingmakeriso CRPGs are the epitome of old bad, new good.
>>720514443>>720515075you missed quest for infamy
>>720515196Oh yeah, felt like there was one I was missing but I couldn't remember it
>>720515139Planescape came out in 1999, though. And you really prefer Kingmaker over Wrath? Why?
>>720514867If Deus Ex is disqualified then i replace it with Ultima 7 or Temple of Elemental Evil (modded)
>>720515309I haven't played Wrath
>>720515309>>720515383Also Torment def stands the test of time. Shows that a phenomenal world and story can't get as outdated as graphics and gameplay can.
>>720515462>Also Torment def stands the test of timeNot for people who play games for game design though.
>>720515506Get it together, game designers!
>>720515138i think its called steampunk
I need more games like Age of Decadence, Colony Ship barely hit the spot.
>>720515106Every single genre except for rpgs
>>720509661kingmakerwrath of the righteousrogue tradergeneforgeavernum
BG2BG2 with modsBG2 with no companionsDeadfirePlanescape Torment
>>720515506RPGs are the whole package and I'm willing to take some combat jank if exploring the world and discovering things through other types of rolls is fun. Almost all of these games have ways to cheese them anyway if you look hard enough.
>>720515941>RPGs are the whole packageExcept for the whole gameplay bit
>>720515885>deadfirehuhhow
>>720515879Geneforge and Avernum are pretty underrated. I like the Exile versions more, but it's a pain getting those games running on modern computers.
FalloutFallout SonoraFallout 2Fallout NevadaOlympus 2207
>>720513786I will never get why people like Dragonfall so muchThe plot twist was cool, but the hub area was lame and your party members are literally all annoying faggotsHong Kong wasn't the best game ever made but at least I didn't want to shoot everyone and do missions by myself
>>720516250>olympus over resurrectioni shiggy
>>720509910>age of decadenceIs it actually good? I see anons talk about it every once in a while but I ignore it because the title sounds like one of those generic MMO flash games of old.
Tides of Numenera is an interesting setting and the story is told quite well, but the gameplay is just awful.
>>720516336I haven't played resurrection yetOlympus has excellent art but the dialog and story is ass
>>720516113>only one steam friend owns queen's wish 2>only one steam friend has it wishlisted>only 64 reviewsvogelbros...
I spent a bit over an hour making my party in knights of the chalice 2 today just saved and quit immediately at the start for next session.seems promising so far but i hear it's difficult and i'm bad at vidya
>>720516410yes, it's short and highly repayable with tons of choices and consequences. just about everything is impactful, there's not really any trash encounters or busywork quests. great combat system and a cool world with lore and politics to get invested in
>>720516665Sounds interesting, I might check it out. I don't think they did themselves any favors using the generic "Age of X" naming template.
>>720511815No I lied, it's actually>Planescape Torment>Deus Ex>Mass Effect 2>Fallout 3>Shadowrun (SNES)>>720511719More ancient setting gives it a bit of a barbarian vibe. It was a woke game, but at the same time the team was trying to make an rpg with evil choices. It results in a lot of entertaining characters, dialogue, and choices imo. If I was going to replay a crpg, it would be at the top of my list because it's also short (it's unfinished).That said, watch how you spend your money on it. Again it's unfinished, and all the dlcs are pretty much nonessential except for the biggest one which barely makes it.
>>720510874>DeadfireI keep trying to get into Pillars but I just can't. I can't into the classes
>>720516318Even the razorgirl waifu?
>>720516457Everything about it was awful. I'd rather replay a spiderweb game like Geneforge again for the story than re-play ToN. And I'm not even sure if the Geneforge games have stories. Maybe I should've paid more attention while playing them. But at least you can choose mostly non-retarded dialogue choices in them. I'm *still* mad that one of the first people who talks to you, after the tutorial area, in ToN is some guy advertising to you that he's a criminal and recruiting to free the dude being executed like 5 meters away, and you can't react to this guy telling you this by e.g., turning him in to the guards standing right fucking there. In a spiderweb game, you'd be able to do that. ToN was such a fucking atrocity, man. Lots of other gay shit like that in it too, like when you bring the little slave girl to the slaver, there's no skill check to keep her from escaping no matter how dexterous or strong or whatever you character is. Legit garbage game.
>>720517000It has some cool shit desu. I like the ranger class that gets a free beast pet, even though all the subclasses have some kind of potentially fatal drawback, the concepts are neat. Still agree I couldn't get too deep into the meta. I actually finished PoE1 and I don't even remember what I did with my MC, it was psyker and I just got whatever.
>>720517000I can't either but I think the classes are cool as hell.Chanters are the coolest shit.
>>720515708gacha?
>>720516924>the same time the team was trying to make an rpg with evil choices. It results in a lot of entertaining characters, dialogue, and choices imo. If I was going to replay a crpg, it would be at the top of my list because it's also short (it's unfinished).I shut it off and returned it after the first dialogue encounter. That chick walks up to you and starts immediately giving you sass, and there's no option to actually be EVIL in response to it. That right after the retarded intro section making you make choices with no context so they mean nothing. Fuck off.
>>720517217I did literally nothing wrong and you are a sissy
>>720517000unless you're playing on POTD difficulty, builds don't really matter all that much at the end of the day. prob will have some challenge if you're playing hard and fuck things up somehow completely, but otherwise it's not a tough game.lot of good builds on youtube, etc. if you get lost along the way and don't want to give up on it.>me (paladin tank)>bird lady (paladin dps)>chanter (buffs + light damage)>priest (heals, etc.)>ranger (pet build sustained dmg)>wizard (cc+dmg)bretty easy
>>720517515faggy homo game for faggy homos. don't talk to me.
>>720517654>Paladin DPS>With Pallegina's statlineHow're you turning that 12 MIG nerdbird into a DPS, anon?
>>720509661In no particular order>BG2>Divinity: Original Sin 2>Fallout 1>Arcanum>Olympus 2207But if you'll indulge me just 2 more>BG3>Underrail
>>720517935oh you're right, she was off-tank. i can't remember if i changed companion stats in 1 or not, i know i did for deadfire since those are fucking horrible.love my lil' bird
>>720509661Baldur's Gate 2Dragon Age: OriginsMass Effect Trilogy (or just the first one if I can't lump all three together)Planescape: TormentSWtOR (no expansions, just the vanilla experience)
>>720516029NTA but i stopped playing deadfire as soon as i have to pick faction to support, it had neat system, i like ship exploration but the pick your poison story is meh because i lose companion and it's too convoluted for me
>>720517654deadfire pissed me off because it felt like they were intentionally trying to sabotage the flavor of the setting they chose. I wanted to be a pirate ranger with a parrot pet but it wasn't an option.
>>720509661>/v/ is better than rpgcodex-
iirc this month or next month they gonna release temple of elemental evil on steam? it's old dnd but turn based, is it good?
>>720510105Arpg is much worse
>>720520395You don't have to pick a faction, though. You just need to make sure you've purchased the best hull and sail upgrades for your ship, and you can pass through Ondra's Mortar on your own, without triggering any loyalty conflicts among your crew.
>>720520560It's not our fault that there aren't exactly any obscure classic CRPGs. Like wtf am I supposed to say, Anachronox I guess? Mistmare maybe? At some point you just start saying obscure shit to feel special. Popular games can be good, it's not mutually exclusive.
>>720520720It's a pretty decent dungeon crawl.It implements D&D 3.5e really well too.I wonder if the Circle of Eight mod will be compatible.
>>720520560Isn't Knights of the Chalice 2 so blatantly targeted towards minmaxers that you genuinely can't afford to play certain classes in the default campaign?
>>720521012EYE divine cybermancy
>>720520560>GrimoireMute the soundtrack, otherwise you'll be slowly driven mad by blaring MIDI trumpets while trying to roll up your squad.
>>720521025i hope it's not as punishing as wizardy though, i enjoy playing wizardy but i just too invested in my character and when one of them die i just push to resurrect them
>>720521189Not obscure at all
>>720520560Based taste
>>720520560Disco Elysium, no Nioh, and BG3 ruined this.But otherwise good
>>720514968based
>>720520919>pick the faction that gives you a submarine because that's fucking awesome>it's actually not awesome>it's the worst ship in the game pretty muchwhy? how? it's like they did everything possible to disappoint me.
>>720521874What did you expect, anon? It was built by the PRC. You can find a boat crewed by literal dead people that works better if you choose the pirates.
SkyrimOblivionMorrowindDaggerfallArena
>>720520395you stopped playing at the literal end of the game? kind of a weird place to stop, but i know what you mean.just a general problem with the game, the factions are largely dumb and it's hard to care about much going on with their politics. i still supported VTC in the end, they were better out of the 3 IMO. sucks losing my fucking companion at the end of the fucking game, but is what it is. so much wasted potential to build off of what PoE1 did right & wrong.
>>720520560>no Siege of Avalon
>>720521965I thought it would have a torpedo weapon so you could sink ships without having to surface. I tried the ghost ship too in another save but it was also underwhelming. the pirate faction kind of sucked in general even though you would expect them to be the coolest.
>>720516457Yeah I've tried to get into it multiple times and end up giving in after an hour and a half.
>>720523328You didn't miss much. I thought the Rydia knockoff was neat, though.
I think I hate videogames
>>720509661Dungeon Siege 2Neverwinter Nights with addons
>>720522180i'm still in mid-game when i decided to quit, because i hate that pick your poison part in deadfire, generally i'm pretty much open/welcome to picking your poison part in game but in deadfire i'm kinda overwhelmed factions choices and the dilema presented in game is borderline stupid like the pirates hates slavery but VTC support them
>>720509661Fallout 1Pathfinder WOTRDeadfireBG3Age of Decadence
>>720509661BG1&2 with SCS installed is the absolute number one and I feel like nothing else can ever top it. Of course normalfags are unaware that SCS is what truly elevates those games to the realms of perfection but oh well. I genuinely wish anyone who puts BG3 into this Top 5 CRPGs could be banned from ever posting about CRPGs ever again.
>>720523734You're surprised? VTC is just the EIC but black and Italian. Besides, only half the pirates hate slavery, the other half peddle flesh so they can make money for nation-building.
>>720520560There's really only a handful of stinkers in this (shit like Mass Effect has no place on a CRPG list), otherwise it's very good.
>>720521757Nioh isn't an RPG and Disco Elysium does some things pretty well. I agree with BG3 though, total slop for retards that don't like CRPGs to begin with.
>>720509661>normal play>Good story, lame combat>speed run>Not much story, excellent game playEven the game's existence itself is a puzzle>Fallout 2>Arcanum>Ultima 7>TES Skyrim (still modding and playing to this day)>Alpha ProtocolDeus Ex would be in over Alpha Protocol, but it seems more like a stealth action than RPG. Otherwise, HR is near perfection (the bosses were dumb).>>720520560Not bad, but JA2? That's more of a strategy game than RPG, even with a levelling system. FOT was regarded as a strategy spinoff by the devs and press and plays similarly.
>>720524178More of an RPG than fucking Skyrim.
shit genre enjoyed by boomers the fact that the most relevant cRPG - Baldurs Gate 3 was largely fucking dropped by players after first act and relied mostly on bear sex for relevancy says it all
>>720524285BG3 is closest to an actual table top rpg. Most people in this thread are just looking for super casual story/adventure games or destitution simulators.
>>720524454That's solasta if you're referring to 5e tabletop, larian create their own rules for push and weight
>>720523734>pirates hate slaveryuhhh no i think they actually love it>VTC support themi'm pretty sure it's just the one dude in charge who does. you can oust him and use this against him, the higher brass are taken aback he went that far Big on innovation and technology, the best path forward.Huana - tribal faction really only cares about themselves and their way of lifeVTC - Euro colonizers, essentially. Willing to work with pirates, but you can wipe them all out so i'd like to headcannon that by the end this changes their approachRDC - Authoritarians who want all freedom squashed, this faction is so fucking stupid.Not much really changes in the end desu. VTC were by far and away the best, even if they do have flaws. But the flaws seem so small in comparison to RDC/Pirates (who gives a fuck about Huana)
>>720524454>BG3 is closest to an actual table top rpg.Every time I see this claim I just know for a fact that the person typing it only knows about DnD from watching CR or other fagshit.
>>720520560>Diablo on the list at all>NEO Scavenger on the list at all>TOME as the sole representant of roguelikes shit listnigger list
>>720524560No, solasta mirrors the ruleset, not an actual campaign. It's horrible at emulating a campaign. Really it's not even great for emulating encounters, which should be quite lengthy affairs.
>>720524285I've played through it 3 separate times and am convinced beyond doubt that most CRPG players on this board are secondaries who only play this genre to circlejerk being in a cool kid's club, hence why stuff like this >>720520560 is even a thing. Simply contrarianism for the sake of it, never ever actually judging something on its own merit and forming your own opinion.
>>7205247165e encounters are only lengthy because they sound like this.>I cast a spell!>Alright, which one?>...>Which spell do you cast?>Um...>Where is that on my sheet?>The section that says "spells".>...>This one here.>Um...>...>...>...>I cast Earthbind!>Okay, on who?>...>Um...>I want to cast Earthbind on this guy.>He doesn't fly, you know.>What?>That guy can't fly.>...>You know what Earthbind does, right?>It traps them and keeps them from moving, right?>It keeps them from flying.>...>They can still move, they can't fly.>It doesn't stop them from moving?>No.>I don't want to do that, then.>Um...>...>...>...>I want to cast Hypnotic Pattern.>Okay, where?>...>Um...>...>I want to cast it on that guy.>Centered on him?>...>I want to cast it on him.>It's an AoE spell, you know.>It is?>Yes. 30 foot cube.>Oh.>In fact, you could probably get some of the other guys if you aim it between them.>Um...>...>...>...>Okay, I do that.>What's your save DC?>...>Your save DC?>...>Um...>Should be written near your spells.>Where are my spells?
>>720524723Codex is basically a black isle fan club so it's inevitable that they're retarded. You can't be both le ebin hardcore grognard and a fallout fan, it's simply not possible.
>>720521189Calling EYE a CRPG is a stretch. It's barely an immersive sim as it is.
I want to play Underrail but I have seen comments that the game is impossible to play without looking at a guide all the time and that your build can become completely useless after a little while??
>>720509661Might and Magic 6 and 7Deus ExBaldur's Gate Morrowind
>>720524796If this is like a constant thing, you should kick this guy from your group.
>>720509661Planescape: TormentBetrayal at KrondorLands of Lore 1Deus Ex (yes it's an RPG)Dark Souls (yes it's an RPG)
>>720526360I'd say that if System Shock 1 and 2, Deus Ex, and Thief are CRPGs, EYE might as well be too. Regardless, it's kino.
>>720509661>arcanumloved the reactivity and the sandbox style gameplay.. conspiracy story was also a good surprise>planescapegreat characters, great story>jagged alliance 2best gameplay with destructible environments>fallout 1pretty much the same reason i liked arcanum>divinity original sin 1i really liked being able to manipulate the environment, but disliked some parts of it too
>>720516410its the most reliant on holding skill points and savescumming to pass skill checks out of any other crpg
>>720528684>yes it's an RPGThis is a thread on cRPGs you thunder faggot. Don't make me bust out the text adventures.
>>720516410It's garbage. I made a full-social character, and literally just walked around and selected the skillchecks and murdered my way through the world with speech checks, it was retarded. Well, I dropped the game after my guy killed an entire dungeon in like half a dozen speech checks. Felt like playing a point-and-click without any of the things that make those things at least a little entertaining.Colony Ship is pretty good, though.
probably the first two fallout games. I just prefer turn based combat in those old games (even though some fights in fallout 2 could drag on forever). I also had a good experience with arcanum but kind of broke the game by the end. still need to play the first two baldur's gate games.
>>720518058I've been meaning to give fallout 2 conversion mods a try. Is Olympus better than Sonora.
>>720528942Text adventures aren't RPGs. Every game I listed is a CRPG (computer role-playing game).
>>720516410AoD is aimed at a niche within a niche. It will not appeal to most CRPG fans, let alone everyone else.
>>720529054>game lets you actually play the character to the strengths he has>this makes it bad somehowif you wanted to murderhobo you can do that with a fighter
>>720529310I didn't put a lot of time into Sonora (or Nevada) because they didn't really pull me in, but Olympus was great from start to finish. It felt to me like a completion of a perfect trifecta between Fallout 1 and Arcanum where Fallout 2 should have been.
>>720529446if the game plays itself for you, it isn't a game
>>720524027be nice, its their first exposure to the genre
>>720524027>I genuinely wish anyone who puts BG3 into this Top 5 CRPGs could be banned from ever posting about CRPGs ever again.most people who played bg3 and raved about it probably never even bothered checking out any other crpgs
>>720528385you're a faggot zoomer. Try something on rails instead, like subway surfers
>>720529889Judging by this thread, and the post you are replying to, this seems to be enormous projection
>>720528798whats your favorite attribute and class in Thief?
>>720528684kek this illiterate retard thought he was cooking (yes it's a boomer reference)
>>720516318I liked the bald uncle companion.
>>720510625Mindbroken
ArcanumFallout 1Planetescape TournamentKOTOR 2 Bloodlines if that counts. Otherwise Disco Elysium
>>720509661Remake when?
>>720509910>>atom rpg>>underrailWtf, I thought they are the same. Which one is the reload fest?
>>720532714that's underrailatom rpg is a fallout 2 clone with russian memes instead of american ones
>>720532714i think underail, atom is much forgiving with skills since you can farm xp from encounter while underail iirc is make or break
>>720533107>>720533135I see. Fo2 clone doesn't sound too appealing either. Might wait for swordhaven iron clone of bg1.
>>720533135you can farm xp in classic mode. less unique than oddity but I think it's better designed >>720533179funny enough that game is also from atom rpg devscheck out serpent in the staglands btw
>>720509661Planescape TormentKing's Bounty LegendSpace Rangers 2The Witcher 1Disco Elysium
>>720533467I know that the dev is the same. Hence me mentioning it. Serpent in the staglands looks decent enough. Never to find while searching online for crpg.
BG3ArchaelundFallout TacticsEscape the Mad EmpireAdventurer's Guild
>>720533179I also waited for swordhaven but it's still 3 months away from full release, EA so far is enjoyable but they need to fix some weapon accuracy
>>720534090It's better to wait a year for bug fixes. Buying first day doesn't work well imho.
>>720534489i already bought it for EA though
>>720509661FalloutFallout 2Fallout NevadaFallout SonoraUnderrailATOM RPG
>>720533107It had american ones too, at least before the big rewrite, I haven't played it after that so I don't know what they added/removed
Also if you like ATOM RPG you should play Planet Alcatraz, it's great
>>720534904some of the worst rtwp i've experienced setting is cool and english voice acting is so bad it's good though
>>720533107>>720534852>russian memeit have Drake's face?
Wizardry 8
>>720512934How do you manage early game sections in PoE on the hardest difficulty? Do you need to hire party members? I find it too difficult, but later on it gets easier as you find more of the named party members.
>>720509661Baldur's Gate 2VTMBGothic 2Might and Magic 7Wizardry 8
>>720509661PSTFallout 1BG 1KOTORI guess Disco but it felt more like an isometric adventure game with dice rolls so I dunno, otherwise, Fallout 2
>>720536059I like VTMB as well, but is it really considered a CRPG?
>>720515708It is pretty much the very definition of steampunk meets fantasy (steampunk doesn't need fantasy elements like the classical fantasy races, or magic). On the box it says>Imagine a place of wonder, where magick and technology co-exist in an uneasy balance. A place where great industrial cities, factories, castles and keeps are home to Dwarves, Humans, Orcs and Elves, alike. A place of ancient runes and steamworks, of magic and machines, of sorcery and science. Welcome to the land of Arcanum.So it's steampunk inspired. I have the box here if you want more info.
>>720536284Arguably not, but I don't know. Deviates from tradition but doesn't really fit another genre that well. If it has to have party management then perhaps Arcanum replaces VTMB, and Underrail would replace Gothic 2 but that has no party either.I just like RPGs, really.
>>720536384>I have the box here if you want more info.Played the game, do like the fact that you have the box.
>>720536284well if BG is considered CRPG then VTMB is CRPG too since it's stand for computer, while the system is different it's still based on rulebook like DnD. Also i think i fucked up with crossroad keep minigame in NWN2
>>720536596>I just like RPGs, really.Same boat really, never cared that much about the CRPG or RPG distinction but I know they have their differences and all that
>>720536642i suppose cyberpunk 2077 is also a crpg by your logic
>>720509661The ones I've made in my imagination.
Wizardry 6, 7, and 8 (yes, I lump them all together)Might and Magic 6Icewind Dale 2Dood sexMorrowind
>>720537146Why do you prefer Icewind Dale 2 over the original?
>>720510625
>>720509661fallout fallout 2mask of the betrayerkotorBG3I only actually beat the fallout games, CRPGs never hold my interest all the way through
>>720537318>fake scenarioHunter's Edge, retard.
>>720533635>King's Bounty Legendbruh
>Party-based, turn-based with real-time pause game I fucking despise this shit like nothing else.
>>720537592yes?
>>720509661BG2FO2PoE1PoE2Tyranny
>>720537062Which llm can do this? Why can't grok make vids?
>>720509661BG2ArcanumNWN2+MotBWrath of the RighteousRogue Trader
BG1BG2Planescape TormentIcewind Dale 1Icewind Dale 2basically all infinity engine games
>BG3I fucking hate nu /v/ and zoomlennials so fucking much.
>>720537592you already know posers will slip in games that don't even fit the topic for internet rep
>>720538572>NWN2 and not NWN1you are NOT my nigga
>>720510625This literally happens in the game: https://divinity.fandom.com/wiki/The_Star-Crossed_LoversYet you already have two people calling you a schizo.
>>720538665Um, it's super close to the tabletop because, get this, you roll dice! Oh and also because it's constantly about sex just like when I play DnD (we use a homebrew with way less rules so we can focus on roleplaying!!) with my fat furry friends.
>>720538665sorry most of this genre sucks. go play icewind dale while crying or whatever
>>720533467>check out serpent in the staglands btwHas atrocious ratings online, why?
>>720538726NWN1 doesn't have Mask of the Betrayer.
>>720538665Seethe forever in the contrarian hell you've built for yourself, cock gobbler
>>720511416What makes Colony Ship trash?I only played Dungeon Rats and liked it a lot, encounter design is brutal but great
>>720538905because it's hardcore (read: unintuitive) also bit buggy and clunky, but worth a try if you like infinity engine games
>>720539009Looks much better than hk.
BG2, Planescape, Arcanum, VtmB, Deus Ex I might have liked Fallout but I don't care about the setting so I never gave them a try.I don't know how people can rank BG3 that high, the gameplay is a downgrade from D:OS2, the story is a downgrade from BG2. Maybe cause they played it alone or something, but the final fight with my friend took fucking ages, I would regularly wait 5-10 minutes for my turn and just miss the attack anyway or something. I really don't recall this happening in DOS2 which I still wouldn't rank in my top 5 cause it had other flaws.
>>720530005im 30 you fat loser ;)
>>720509661Only played DOS/DOS2 and BG3. All because they are couch co-op. Not much in the CRPG realm for couch co-op enjoyers.
>>720539103If I was going to include first person action rpgs like vtmb and immersive sims like deus ex in the CRPG genre then BG3 wouldn't even break in to my top 20.
>>720511719It has a pretty fun magic system but that's it. Combat is pretty simple and the game ends at what feels like 60% of a story.
>>720516410no lol its shit. the dev's idea of difficulty is to put skillcheck deathtraps everywhere so youre forced to hoard points and savescum.I paid 2 bucks for it and still felt ripped off
>>720539029nta but I don't like how combat focused it is, and there's so few approaches to the encounters, your party have to start at certain tiles in like half of them
>>720539226Yeah I dunno, it's kind of an iffy term. Some people refer to Diablo as a CRPG. If I had to give up those spots I guess I'd name Neverwinter Nights and Dragon Age: Origins instead. Although a bit rough it was Bioware's last good medieval RPG in my opinion, and I can tell they still tried a bit.
>>720509661Pathfinder WOTRPathfinder KingmakerUnderrailAge of DecadenceNWN1
>>720509661This game is pure slavkino, and it takes place entirely in a city which is a pretty fresh setting for a CRPGIt also has the classic Fallout's OP power armor that you can unlock half way through the game
>>720539629I bought it and transfered saved from first game, but apparently my character was too high level and unlocked everything from the start, so I dropped it almost right away. Not sure I want to play it without transfering save and I don't want to finish first game again.
>>720512389>can't like video games because don't like the people who like thempeak low iq
>>720509661In no particular order…BG3BG2Rogue TraderDivinity Original Sin 2Dragon Age Origins
>>720509743>Wasteland 3can anyone sell me on this, haven't played any of the wasteland games
>>720539829Basically, you play as a party of roving problem solvers in post-apocalypse America. WL1 was the inspiration for Fallout, way back when.
>people unironically posting console shit and piss easy normalfag garbage like OS2 and BG3
>>720538665There is nothing more pathetic than begrudging someone else his taste in video games out of a desire to appear refined. No one gives a shit that you prefer Planescape: Torment or BG2. You’re a fag.
>>720539829It's pretty good, but a bit easy and humor sometimes is cringy. Play on Supreme Jerk difficulty from the very start.
>>720539734It doesn't make the game that much easier since no gears are carried over, and you start at a high level anyway even on a fresh character because this is meant to be a sequel. You can also import the choices but respec to an entirely new character.
>>720539829Feels more like a DLC than expansion. You go to snowy Colorado and fight conservatives. That's literally it.
>>720540080I had 30 level. When you start with 15. Did a cheevo in 1st game.
>>720539829Best gameplay in any Fallout clones to date. Plenty of impactful choices throughout the story. The writing is kinda a hit or miss though.
>>720539829It's a somewhat less memetic Fallout where you play as a bunch of lawkeepers. In this particular game you go to Colorado in the winter to broker a deal for supplies with the local patriarch who then sends you all across the land before you get anything from him.
>>720539009wrong thread
>>720539413You can cruise the game solely on speech but it's kinda boring though when all you need is talk your way out of problem instead shoot first ask later
>>720539829Play Wasteland 2 first so you can see what the game's all about. Wasteland 3 is pretty heavy handed on making fun of post-apocalyptic RPG tropes from the very start. It's not one of the "le serious grimdark" games but the series does have it's own style and it does it well.
>>720540080The perk where you spewing one liner from action movies is pretty funny though and iirc it also carried over if you transfer your savegame
After playing Pillars of Eternity 1 again, I am ready to admit it into the National Gallery of Pretty Good CRPGs, as long as it's recognised that the final area, Twin Elms, is so boring it seems to have been designed by a sociopath as a mental torture device for the player, and this is probably a consequence of the game's modular, Kickstarter-goal development history. Oh, and the DLC seems to be an uninspired knockoff of Icewind Dale, so I didn't bother with it. But the main campaign before Twin Elms? Pretty good.
>>720509661I dropped this game after a few hours. I liked the voice acting but it was just too slow.
>>720539829Compared to wasteland 2 the combat in my opinion is pretty unbalanced like AR/SMG got their groove literally on end game where you got the strongest SMG, while in wasteland 2 every weapon class have nice power hike
>>720511416>Morrowind>crpgRetard.
>>720540152Just play it anon, it's much more enjoyable than the first one for me. The pacing in particular is 200% better since the map isn't so big and spread out for no reason.
>>720521082Only Sorceror is that bad anymore.
>>720540448>while in wasteland 2 every weapon class have nice power hikeThat's not true, there is no reason to spec for sniper rifles when you can spec for assault rifles instead.
>>720540448SMGs dominate like half the game compared to ARs it's not fucking funny. The one weapon category that is super cucked are shotguns. Might as well call them shitguns. Until you get the x2/x3 burst weapons by the end of the game they're fucking pointless.Then again the game is plagued by balance issues in general. Armor quickly becomes useless because everyone just bypasses it or deals a gorillion damage. To counter that you can just keep reviving your people all the time with barely any repercussions. Weird fucking system.
>>720509661Is this one any good? From the clips I've seen the voice acting options are either incomprehensible Polish or a low effort English dub, which is kinda shitty for a dialogue heavy game.
>>720540536Why the fuck would Morrowind not be a crpg if Fallout, AoD and NWN count?
DOS 2UnderrailDeus ExStarsectorRouge TraderUnderrail would have been my favorite game but I just hate DC so much
>>720541082DC is cool though, especially the lore drops
>>720541051action combat maybe being an xbox game if the C is that anon's point of contention
>>720541051For one thing, the peculiar way in which Morrowind handles its dialogue is unlike the games typically classed as CRPGs. In those games NPCs are usually individuals, written uniquely and presenting the player with branching dialogue options that affect your relationship to that NPC and may also determine your path in the larger narrative. Morrowind has a handful of NPCs like that among hundreds, and even these grand luminaries of Morrowind have their weighty conversation topics listed in the usual database format alongside mundane topics like "latest rumours" and "little advice."
>>720539125>30 with the mentality of a zoomeronly a retard would be proud of that
Any Diablolike/CRPG hybrids?
>>720539829>haven't played any of the wasteland gamesNeither the ones who only played 3.
>>720524108>shit like Mass Effect has no place on a CRPG listNew Vegas is also an odd one out desuIt's so overwhelmingly similar to 3 that there's no real justification for having one present on a list like this but not the other
>>7205096611. Realms of Arkania HD2. Realms of Arkania HD3. Realms of Arkania HD4. Realms of Arkania HD5. Realms of Arkania HD
>>720509661In order:Fallout 1ArcanumBaldur's Gate 1Fallout 2Baldur's Gate 2
>>720513196Based and trueAlso loot in pillars is atrociously boring
>>720540969It's solid. Historical Polish setting is the real draw and if you want the best ending you have to give up power over the course of playing game so it's counter intuitive.
>>720529568that's every game with heavy speech skills, though. you can't really make it GAMEPLAY engaging.
>>720513196Sawyer is absolutely right about romances in RPGs, though. They just end up being another reputation bar to grind until you get the best reward. Sex, stats, abilities, etc.
>>720509661Planescape Torment is a shit video game. Does it have amazing writing, story and worldbuilding? Yes. Except it's like a 3/10 as a game, every time you have to actually do things beyond dialogue, you just wish you could skip it all. Atrocious. If it's more fun to watch a video on youtube rather than play it, it sucks. It's obvious they got a good story and just slapped whatever game they could onto it.
>>720539735Yes, unironically. Your taste is shit and you're offended about it. Kill yourself thin-skinned faggot.
>>720509661I always thought PST is phenomenal, but also the sort of game that doesn't appeal to even most CRPG fans. Disco Elysium is in the same camp, but in those 20+ years the needle had moved way more to the "we just want the story" crowd which made it more accessible.
>>720509743Peak follow the herd taste.>>720509910Peak taste.
>>720509661Baldur's Gate 1Baldur's Gate 2Icewind DaleMorrowindFallout
>>720541958Divine Divinity.
>>720544028I dunno playing a mage is fun. Flashy animations and magic missile feels great.
>>720509661I only play RPGs for romances and companions / side characters, I'm a true Septemberite and Biowerian, if it doesn't have a good romance and a companion / cast it goes straight into the bin, refunded and I email death threats to the developers and daydream for weeks about them suffering the most egregious humiliations and tragedies. I also don't care for low effort copy-pasta excel simulator top-down or isometric games without fully realized 3D models and animations for characters, if I wanted to play a low effort low ambition mobile game I'd play subway surfers.>The Witcher III: Wild Hunt (2015)>Dragon Age: Origins (2009)>Baldur's Gate III (2023)>Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (2003)>Kingdom Come: Deliverance II (2025)
>>720539103>I might have liked Fallout but I don't care about the setting so I never gave them a try.have you checked out space wreck? short crpg based on replays and various approaches. heavily inspired by fallout.
>>720544190you clearly have a type, anon
>>720509743Peak taste>>720509910Peak poser taste
>>720509743>>720539829WL3 was a decent game most did not bother with after WL2.
>>720545452iirc they patched the exploit for this fight
>>720541129Morrowind uses dice rolls. It's not action combat. Perhaps you are thinking of Oblivion and Skyrim,
>>720540969It's okay, the concept is interesting and the setting as well. Gameplay is fine but can get boring, main issue was the long walks from A to BYou're some kind of medium that sees evil spirits with daddy issues, moral choices feed the ghost thingy powers and you use them to solve crimes in Poland. Combat is turn based excel meets card games, not entirely badI uninstalled it after I got tired of MC's "mmmm certainly so!" personality but I acknowledge it's a decent game
>>720513196Mostly agree, though waifushit led into faggotry like romance and actual faggotry.Story: BIG BAD IS DOING BIG BAD THINGS, IF SUCCEEDS WILL BE BIG BAD. GO KILL BIG BAD. YOU MIGHT NEED THE SHIBBLE-DIBBLE OF NIGATRAZ TO STOP THE BIG BAD RITUAL.Then, just focus on making the character building and game mechanics allow for a variety of gameplay styles. That should be the RPG genre. This modern focus on muh story is asinine.
>>720509661Disco Elysium is my 1 and only, don't you agree my commie xisters?
OblivionSkyrimFallout 3Fallout 4Fallout 76
>>720509661FalloutDeus ExVampire: The Masquerade - BloodlinesFallout New VegasDisco Elysium
>>720544054The lack of a combat layer in DE makes it less interesting to me. PST combat might not be the best but it brings some actual peril and challenge to the table, and remember that the combat system also allows you to attack any NPC in town, expanding the role-playing possibilities for your character. I do think DE is the better written story, though, or at least it's more mature.
>>720543097Genuinely on that list because of "muh story" and Sawyer deepthroaters. It could be a CRPG if it was VATS-only and everything was reliant on character skills, not player skills.
>>720520720Why do you specifically care about it being released on Steam? It has been available on GoG for years, and the Circle of Eight modpack works flawlessly with it. Did they pull it from GoG or something?
I finished BG3 loved it till the end but 2 weeks after when my initial hype for it started to cool off it wouldnt even be my top3 favorite crpgs.
>>720524454Temple of Elemental Evil is the closest to an actual table top RPG. They implemented 3.0/3.5 rules almost exactly.
>>720534904Krai Mirai too
>>720524668>>720520560what's so bad about neoscavenger
https://youtu.be/XReurK9akWE>mfw the combat music transitions into this song
>>720509743>Bg3Shit, barely a crpg.>Wasteland 3Good, but short and shallow. >Divinity original sin 2BG3, but slightly worse. >Disco elysiumI-Want-To-Be-Torment-So-Bad, the game. fpwp.>>720509910Much better. >>720510093This is peak. Good stuff, anon.
>>720546124action RPGs typically use dice rolls. from Diablo to Grimrock
>>720547004Disco's actually Torment-but-well-written, the game.
>>720546774I would rank BG3 among the best in the genre, but I also had some disappointments from it. On a first playthrough, much of the game's appeal lies in its suggestion of a world of possibilities where choices matter, where one decision saves the day and the other leaves the villagers in darkness, and in either case your soul will be judged and the world will shake with the consequences. The game presents itself this way and this is also how it was marketed. But anyone playing through for a second time and testing the extent of player freedom by making the opposite choices, or by trying to make the worst and most destructive choices, will soon find out that the freedom is largely illusory and most routes circle back to the same destination. A good example is the sequence where Vlaakith sends the PC inside the prism. You can be the most obedient bootlicking clitflicking slave to Vlaakith in this endeavour, but she will always contrive a reason to order your death at the end. The game posits the situation as a Big Choice, but it's all a sham.
>>720509661jackie chanfuck
>>720547276I feel that's almost inevitable though
>>720546848it's a good game but it is not an RPG
>>720516505hi anon, if u need someone to help you through 3.5e, or KOTC 2 in general, lmk.
>>720509661I like the one where you can befriend a giant magical spider.
>>720546774I wrote up a bunch of shit but my post got eaten so I'll just do the TLDR variant.It has great presentation which is why normalfags love it but under the hood it's pretty shit. It was also incredibly fucking broken on launch when you tried to play it in MP but no one ever mentioned that for some reason. Choices are basically nonexistent and you either play as a good fucker and get content or you're evil and they're just giving you less of it. Great. And I don't even want to get into the 5e systems with concentration and the like because that would be an endless tirade of hate.
>>720509661KotOR 1/2EncasedColony ShipSector UnknownStar Traders: Frontiers
I'm RPG-Pilled right now. I'm only playing cRPGs.I'm currently playing Pathfinder:WotR Modded, and I recently beat Pillars 1 + 2, KCD2, Pentiment, Rogue Trader, Citizen Sleeper, and Wasteland 2.I own Planescape Torment, Age of Decadence, NWN, but never got around to playing them.I love RPGs.
ArcanumFallout 2Fallout: SonoraPlanescape: Torment7.62 High Calibre as a wildcard due to borrowing a lot of CRPG elements despite formally being an RTT game. I don't like fantasy unless the premise/setting is actually interesting, so I'm not a real CRPG expert. Played all the classic Fallout total conversion mods, though.>>720547227IDK why people compare Torment to Elysium so much. Torment will plunge you into paragraphs after paragraphs of text with an entire quest or two being "hey talk to all of these people in the building, dipshit". The writing is consistently very well-written, though, and there's always a combat sequence that breaks it so you can fling ball lightnings for a while if you're feeling a bit encumbered.Elysium, on the other hand, will feed you Twitter post-sized bits of information that have a 50/50 chance of making you go "alright, that's a nice sentence" or "why would you reference *this* Twitter user all of a sudden?". Of course it's less exhausting, but I don't need to be reminded of whatever was the rage back in 2016 or what 90s techno group were you listening to. The game's "true" point (drowning sorrow and resentment in politics) doesn't hit well unless you're a fucking loser, so what you have is a pretty nice overarching detective plotline, great graphics and an amazing OST. Writers had needed some heavy wrangling to make moment-to-moment writing better, though. Shame that Torment's Lustmord collab didn't go through, Metavoid was a nice album. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGh0e8JkgbYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg3WMvt_GNo
>>720547276Illusion of choice is practically what defines the genre. The question is more how easy it is to penetrate the illusion and I don't think BG3 is particularly bad about it. I think it might just be a consistency issue where they almost overdid it with Act 1 being so open ended yet tightly interwoven that you get caught off guard when you get increasingly railroaded as you get further into the game.
>>720548731People forget PS:T is what it because of technical constraints. They went for tattoos as armor for the same reason as opting for evocative writing - because they didn't have the budget to create all the asset they would need otherwise.
>>720514867MM6 is so fucking brutal, are there are HD patches for high resolution?
>>720548731>"why would you reference *this* Twitter user all of a sudden?". Of course it's less exhausting, but I don't need to be reminded of whatever was the rage back in 2016 or what 90s techno group were you listening toLiterally what the fuck are you talking about? There's no references to any Twotter users, nor 90s techno groups. Did you made it all up in your head?>The game's "true" point (drowning sorrow and resentment in politics)The game's true point is about moving on and stop losing hope and it went over your head.
>>720510093>Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous (modded)what mods?
>>720509661Dragon Age OriginsDisco ElysiumBaldurs Gate DosKotOR DosPillars of Eternity
bg1bg2dos2pillars1 pst
Was the golden age of CRPGs the 90s to early 2000s or the past 12 years
>underrail>fallout sonora>fallout nevada>arcanum>morrowind
>>720524285It's true in some ways, a lot of these games are unfinished. That's the norm, like Troika games wouldn't even run without players fixing them and Arcanum is still one of the best.
how do i fucking sit down and play a game? im always slotting back into a rotation of multiplayer games i play for like 2 rounds or more depending on their length then i go watch some youtube and doomscroll a bit, find some games i want to play, maybe open up a new game ive bought like helldivers or space marine 2, play that for the rest of the night if im lucky then not touch it again for a monthi fucking LOVED pvp games since playing cod4 on shit 2 bar internet and still fucking cunts up by just running in and being better i cant stop wanting to do that, overwatch cs rivals for honor and to a lesser extent streetfighter and MK thats my shit, but i get to the end of a night and im like i cant share anything from that. but these slow arpgs ive tried to play and i just cant fucking stick with it, like at allwebm related the cow is everyone who can enjoy anything other than shooters or pvp shit, i just feel like why bother if im not shitting on someone is that a syndrome or someshit
>>720552652cow
>>720509661Fallout 1Planescape TormentNeverwinter Nights 1Icewind Dale 2WotR/BG3 interchangable
>>720538728>why does the game call me a piece of shit for committing war crimes in a warzone???You are autistic. You probably don't understand why people were upset about the train stabbing because thousands are dying in Russia/Ukraine weekly
>>720509661Fallout 1Avernum re-remakesMight and Magic 3MorrowindDungeon HackOne day I'll get around to playing Underrail and Atom RPG, they look fun.
>>720510105It definitely has the worst fansGo into any CRPG thread on /v/ and there's always one narcissist who thinks he's extremely intelligent and knows everything about game design but they will completely fold if you challenge their beliefs and start schizoing out and calling you namesThen go to RPG codex and that's every poster
>>720546774It's a game that subsists entirely on the online hype train and its high production values. Once you actually rip off the veneer it's not as great as people make it out to be.In about 3-5 years time people will start to actually look at what's there and not the smoke and mirrors.
>>720548427You got 700 hours of kino modules waiting for you in neverwinter nights.
>>7205472271.5/10 you tried.
>>720553135Fuck off back to your containment thread.
>>720510105Nah. Problem with CRPGs is that the more casual or ignorant players want to sort them all together. Your Baldur's Gate 3, Age of Decadence and Gamedec are three VERY different examples of CRPG.
>>720552718What a terrible wife.
>>720547227Reddit is down the hall and to the left.
>>720553378>t. NarcissistYou are not as smart or enlightened as you think you are.
>>720553643I was talking about other people not myself
>>720516318thisI hoped I could get everyone in the bazaar killed by the dragons, nothing of value would've been lost
>>720516318>I will never get why people like Dragonfall so muchIt's the most standard CRPG out of the entire trilogy.
>>720539070Ye, people tend to cry hard if games aren't you can win difficulty. Unfortunately devs tend to go with artifical difficulty as often as possible, it sometimes seems.
>>720552718Should have trained his cow better
>>720553694Acting smug and above it all falls under narcissistic traits. Try to argue with facts instead of your self-aggrandizing headcanon, thanks.
>>720552718/v/aca bros...
>>720539829Plenty of replies show you the game. Is OK. Has few 10/10 moments, the last 1/6th of the game is a sloggity slog. I miss the radio guy from 2, he's maybe the best radioguy in vidya.
>>720545452WL2 is pure sovl and I prefer it to WL3having the weird pseudo followers like the robot and the roman guy with the pistol was fun
>>720554017theres nothing smug about that post
>>720554093"Heh, you see everybody is dumb and full of it, instead of myself who's clearly smart and enlightened not like people on /v/ and those troglodytes at RPG codex."You lack self-awareness if you can't see how your post comes off as especially since it's just wrong.
>>720554080Provost was in 3 too. He even had a little quest attached to him if you kept him alive long enough.
>>720509661There aren't even 5 good CRPGs.
>>720554313>everybody is dumb and full of itNo just the schizos who shit up every RPG thread
>>720551862The original golden age was so meagrely supplied with games that it has always been a large exaggeration to describe it as an "age." But the few games that comprised this, uh, period, duration, timeframe, whatever you want to call it, were excellent.The New Wave CRPGS, which I suppose began when Pillars of Eternity was Kickstarted into being, is generally agreed to be a good and encouraging feature of the modern gaming marketplace, but because it is more abundantly stocked, it has more shit on its shelves. Downmarket stuff like ATOM RPG, for example, but also the better funded and hyped-up disappointments like Numenera. You also have a lot of things that are "okay" but miss the mark in important ways, like Wasteland 3 and Tyranny. The "golden age" might look better by comparison as it didn't have a mediocre-to-bad range, but that's only if you overlook how small that library was.
>>720509661PlanescapeBaldurs Gate 2Fallout 2KOTORKOTOR 2Anyone mentioning BG3 is a huge faggot btw.
>>720509661Planescape : TormentMight & Magic 6Baldur's Gate 2Temple of Elemental EvilArcanum
>>720509661Gothic 2Pathfinder: KingmakerBaldur's Gate 2Fallout 1Arcanum
>>720554901Gothic isn't a CRPG, it's more like a Todd Howard game.
>>720554595ToEE in your top 5 is interesting.With or without the CoE mod?
So many love for NWN1 but NWN2 is barely mentioned here
>>720555032>Inferring morrowind isn't a crpgGaylord
>>720555238Because besides mask of the betrayer it's a dog shit game.
>>720555238Yeah. It was basically me and another anon.I really love that game, but it is worse than the first game in a lot of ways.I do think it's generally a better single player experience.
I only really loved BG2 and Arcanum, these are so, so good
>>720555032>it's more like a Todd Howard game.You deserve the fucking rope for that statement alone.
>>720555474Meant to post an image, fuck.
>>720555158ToEE is such a weird game. It's like your party got waylaid by one big side quest and the main story never begins.
>>720551862Depends. Did you like SSI or IE games more? Because the modern idea of what a CRPG is goes back to Baldur's Gate 1.
>>720555238most people talking about nwn1 were not around when it released originally and basically talk about it from the perspective of 20+ years worth of mods. taken at face value for official content only I think nwn2 is the superior game.
I treat trilogy as one game, yes it needs QoL mods to elevate it and make enjoyable in current year (scs, anthology tweaks, EEex UI, ascension etc) but with them its my favorite rpg.
>>720509661There are 5 of them?
>>720509661Divinity Original Sin 2Neverwinter NightsPlanescape TormentPathfinder KingmakerKotOR 1Shout out to Neverwinter Nights 2 for being a janky piece of shit that I somehow remember fondly despite being objectively garbage>>720513786I'd say VtM counts
>>720544054commie fuck
>>720555158Without, dunno what it does. I think ToEE has the best turn-based system ever made. It's mostly an AP based system but much more complex and realist.
>>720552718I love cows
>>720558108I wonder if people who bring up communism with DE even played the game.
>>720509661fallout 1 nothing has hit ever since yes i tried most of the "fallout inspired" crpgsthey suck
>>720510105Kill yourself immediately retard
>>720558951yeah, its clearly made by commies.Even if it does make some kind of half hearted attempts at neutrality.
>>720546560You managed to list 2 CRPGs, the other 3 are standard RPGs, congrats retardo
>>720558617>I think ToEE has the best turn-based system ever made.That I can agree with. It's a perfect implementation of the basic 3.5e ruleset from what I remember. It's pretty cool how it models the standard action + move action as a gauge.The CoE is mostly bug fixes but there's the opton of adding extra content too.
>Planescape Torment>Geneforge>Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire>Baldur's Gate 3>Rogue Trader
>>720559574I played it on computer so it's a CRPG :^)
>>720556262Do you like salt and sanctuary?
Which crpg has the best or rather the most unique elemental/status system?
>>720558951they didn't, the retard here >>720558108 doesn't even know there's fascist questline in it
>>720509743Zoomiest zoomer post of all time. Also incredibly wrong.
>>720509661BG3Wizardry 7Icewind Dale 2DOS2TOEE
Kotor 2VTM:BFallout: NVDisco ElysiumBG3
does kenshi count?
>>720561683Thank you for showing us your retard certificate
>>720552718God I wish that was me. I bet the drool doesn't even feel bad.
>>720509661I don't think I like the gameplay in any of these isometric CRPGs. Unfortunate because I like everything else. I guess Fallout is ok since it's turn-based.
>>720561683based af until you listed reddit elysium and bg3 LMAO
>>720562507Baldur's Gate 3 has the best gameplay in the genre, followed by Divinity Original Sin 2 but its a distant second. Most of the Crpgs play like shit and have awfully shallow world design.
Why do contrarians pretend that BG2 is better than BG3?
>>720539103>I still wouldn't rank in my top 5 cause it had other flaws.Dude Arcanum has more flaws than any game in the genre, its objectively very flawed, you're bad optics for crpg fans, either a fake poser shithead or an actual dumbfuck. lmao
Wasteland 3WotRBG3NWNFO2
>>720563653We get it, you have no dick anymore because you cut it off. Woke retard.
>>720563537Maybe not everyone is a blue-haired non-binary faggot who loves fart humor like you? Ever thought about that, Mrs. Queer?
>>720563537BG3 fanboy arguments:I like the game because it has dynamic combat, reactive dialogue, good looking environments, production values, i enjoyed interacting with the characters, the encounter design is great, exploration is meaningful and rewarding, you have freedom to roleplay...etcBG2 fanboy argumenthurrr durrr its better than bg3, suck it casualfags hurrrrrirenicons is serious omg im gonna cum heeheheits olddd remember bioware? hmm i m'emberYou know the game's worth from its fans, if the selling point they are offering is its better than X then you know they have nothing.
>>720563750No u
>>720563094This.People can shit on the plot and roleplaying but like there's a total of 1 other game that I can even compare it to and it's wrath of the righteous but even then wotr is so much more clunky feeling. The fact that BG3 runs so well on controllers is amazing too
>>720509743Either the most idiotic normatranny NPC ever, or cunning troll.
>>720544028I wouldn't call it shit just because at least its well written, but yeah its not the peak of this genre and never was.
>>720563874That's nice, but nobody really cares that you are trans and hate white men.
>>720509661>Divinity Original Sin 1>Powergap>Divinity Original Din 2>Powergap>Rest>Powergap>Dogshit>BG3
>>720563986Why are you seething at him?
>>720564087Weakest bait i have ever seen.
>>720509910>correctly rating fallout 2 above fallout 1my nigga
>>720564198Sure, tranny
DOS2 is better than BG3
>>720562856I appreciate atmosphere
>>720537259Sorry for the late reply, went to sleep.https://youtu.be/1Sgkg8LhJzQ?si=2nGmun2uMnD9aOB7
>>720563630>Dude Arcanum has more flaws than any game in the genreAnd it has more highs than other games too, to compensate for it. Retard route, charisma route that lets you talk the final boss into killing himself, etc. And a very unique setting to draw you in, while Divinity is just another D&D clone where roleplaying is nonexistent compared to Arcanum. It's still a fun coop game though all things considered, I don't regret playing it.>you're bad optics for crpg fansCry me a river, I don't give a shit about the fans and community.
>>720566053I hate how Arcanum presents its dialogue as floating text like an early MMO game. That looks like shit. Why didn't they use a stylized dialogue window like Fallout and the IE games?
>>720509661Wrath of the RighteousBaldur's Gate 2 Planescape Torment Baldur's Gate 3 I can't think of a fifth CRPG that I really liked. I need to play more games and actually finish them.
>>720566996Did you play BG1?
Wrath of the RighteousDOS2Wasteland 3SolastaStill playing through a bunch of games, finishing off DAO before I move on to finish off the playthrough of KOTOR I started. Finished BG3 and I do like it but I wouldn't put it in my top 5.
>ctrl+f>BG2 20 results>BG1 5 resultsAlright fine, I admit it, you guys can be based sometimes
>>720509661Ultima Savage EmpireAngbandDCSS
>>720559308Seething that your sodomite simulators got called out, huh.
>>720552718cows are so funny
>>720509661Divinity: Original Sin 1Baldur's Gate 2Planescape:TormentNeverwinter Nights 1 solely for its moddingKnights of the Chalice 2
>>720560214I really liked pillars 1 but pillars 2 has optimisation issues out the ass. Have tried special k and every guide under the sun and still get stutters. Anyone got the secret sauce that lets it run smooth or is it just a lost cause?
>>720514135nta but setting is super interesting. It's basically eatrh so far into the future it might as well be a different planet.
>>720568041At this point it's just one guy replying over and over to bump the thread
>>720567323Does Solasta have anything resembling a story? When I looked at the steam page for it, it seemed like it was just a sequence of combat encounters with shit graphics
>>720568542>Ultima Savage EmpireBullshit. That game is a hollow soulless version of Ultima 6 no way it's anyone favorite game.
>>720524454BG3 feels nothing like an actual tabletop campaign.
>>720509661>>720509743>>720509910>>720510093>>720510096notably, nobody said crime
>>720509661fallout et tu'nuff said
>>720568914Yes but the story is light and exists mostly as a vechicle to move you between combat encounters which is where the game actually shines, and there's also the infinite replayability provided by custom campaigns of which there are some that tell good stories like A Business for Monkeys or just provide good combat encounters like the Temple of Elemental Evil recreation or the one that adapts the old Attack against the Cult module
Almost all CRPGs are not worth playing. If someone tells you they like any fallout or bioware games, including bg1 and 2, this person does not know what they're talking about. These are extremely casual point and click adventure games pretending to be something they are not. The only decent rpgs are toee, grimrock 2, kotc2, bg3, pool of radiance, (only the first game, rest of series is truly awful) and dawnsbury days. You can just play those and leave this awful genre behind and go play real video games, and even then you arent missing much. Stuff like BG2 and fallout is just an awful power fantasy WEG simulator, and stuff like NWN, owlcat, and underrail are amoeba brained feat stack stackers. This is the only genre I deeply regret playing. I've never been like "oh man wish I didn't waste time on 1ccing this shmup or beating this platformer" but I deeply regret playing rpgs and interacting with the awful people who play them.
>Mahiro Tranny JannyLike clockwork.
>>720509661Dunno if it qualifies, as it's technically combination of CRPG and RTS, but the original Spellforce triology is in my opinion more soulful than any game in these genres released.
>>720569829>how dare you post your honest opinion at the tail end of a thread I've been dishonestly bumping for 20 hours, kurwaaaaa!Watch out for Russian drones
>>720569829Obsessed
>>720569784Nobody asked for your blog you narcissistic faggot.
>>720569784>an interactive narrative with a cast of developed characters is a waste of my time>arcade bing bings and autistic reflex tests are a worthwhile use of my time
Don't feed the tranny janny attention it craves.
>>720570121OP quite literally asked. Keep seething, we'll go straight to bump limit in a flash.
>>720568935VI is harder to get into, I played the SNES version but that is on the SNES so its a jrpg. thats why I went for a spinoff.
>>720569784ToEE is mediocre.Grimrock is not fun at all.KotC 2 is good if you can tolerate the dev's extreme autism.PoR is okay.Dawnsbury Days is boring because PF2 is boring.Your taste is trash.
>>720570158>arcade bing bings and autistic reflex tests are a worthwhile use of my timeIndeed, challenging my ability to learn patterns, routes, and improve my motor control is something far more stimulating than an "interactive narrative." (Movie game) It feels good to learn, I love to think and learn things when I play games.
>>720570317>the game is mediocre/not fun/boring/autismTake notice that none of these are objective criticisms, as the rpg brainrot has made it too difficult for you to articulate your thoughts. If I go to rpg codex right now, one of the busiest threads is just a straight up WEG. This is the end game of "rpgs", it's just watching a porno without any actual porn and people will sit here and try to intellectualize it.
>>720570768I can articulate my thoughts I just refuse to waste the time on a retard like you.
>>720570839>I can articulate my thoughtsI bet you've forgotten what it feels like to have any real thoughts.
>>720509661I don't think I've completed many CRPGs.Alpha Protocol (not sure if this counts, Fallout 1 if it doesn't)VTMBKOTOR 2Deus ExFallout New Vegas
>>720566053But your argument was not like that, you criticized good games that do things spectacularly and dismissed them out because they are flawed, applying your logic to Arcanum it should never be even in the top 50
top down only>Planescape>BG2>Fallout 2>Kingmaker>WotRfirst person pc>Deus Ex>FNV>VTMB>KotOR2>Witcher 1
>>720564828I didn't like that I was punished for having talk to animals
>>720569784>toee, grimrock 2, kotc2, bg3, pool of radianceBased taste
>>720570768>>720569784Mahiro would never say something like that.
Surprised to see so many Wasteland 3
>>720510492For me it’s worth it because the mythic pathes let you play characters that pretty much no other game lets you play
>>720569784>but I deeply regret playing rpgs and interacting with the awful people who play them.Bro some of us appreciate your insight, without your Crpg experience i wouldn't have played some great games and i benefited a lot from your criticisms, you can always influence someone like me and change their viewpoints, you don't have to become a little bitch and hate an entire genre, just keep spreading the gospel
>>720572642My genuine suggestion is to not play any more rpgs and move on.
>>720509661>>7205097431. Wrath of the Righteous2. BG2 + Throne of Bhaal3. Planescape: Torment4. Kingmaker5. Fallout 2
>>720572587I just finished it recently, honestly a 6/10 game, it has some good aspects but it has a lot of issues, people who sell it as a top tier crpg are delusional.
>>720509661Diablo 3
>>720572770There are some RPGs worth playing and they are great games too, there is a point where interacting and roleplaying with a game and its stats can bring special kind of fun that cannot be found in other genres.Giving up on a genre because of some awful games isn't reasonable.
>>720571940>you criticized good games that do things spectacularly and dismissed them out because they are flawedI literally said it "had other flaws". That's all I said. Those flaws are at least for me, way worse than the flaws of the games I named favorite, which pushes it past my top 5, maybe even 10. At no point did I said my favorite games don't have flaws, you picked a 5 word sentence and made some giant strawman out of it and assumed things I didn't say.Now we can keep squabbling over irrelevant "you said I said" or we can talk RPGs. If you don't wanna talk about the RPGs I named, or you don't wanna talk about your own favorite RPGs either then I'll stop responding here.
>>720572974>There are some RPGs worth playingNo there isn't. The best rpgs are not even half as good as mediocre games in other genres. When I look in 30+ threads I see a lot of people that just play these and only these, and it's really obvious it's only because they just gave up on video games and don't really like them any more.
>>720569784>including bg1 and 2,Whats the argument that Baldur's Gate 2 is bad?I get 1, but 2 is considered by many to be one of the best games of all time! What do you think?
>>720569784Incredibly stupid tranny. Only had to read one sentence to tell this poster is utterly worthless and loved by no one.Why do people who watch cartoons for Japanese kids pretend they have a clue of anything?
>>720572550Everybody's having fun tonighthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrRxNPt_lfY
>>720572783making demons shit their fucking pants in WoTR feels so fucking good, every single time
>>720573218Name a mediocre game in another genre.
>>720573196You are trying to backpedal, the simple fact is that you are inconsistent and thats ok, but that eliminates your credibility completely.
>>720573228He has good taste, but recently he is on a crusade against the genre and its fans for some reason lol.I get it, a lot of retards and posers play this genre, a lot of games are janky and play like garbage, but some games prove that you can make it good, it just needs the right formula. Instead of talking about that he just takes the easy and lazy way out.
>>720573225>Whats the argument that Baldur's Gate 2 is bad?There is no real encounter or module design in bg2. It's all>soapy melodrama about vampires for an hour>go to vampire dungeon>guy gives me a +17 amulet of vampire slaying right before i enter the dungeon>I cast prebuffs and insulate my self from all damage while doing 10 billion autoattack damage per turn then speed to the end of the dungeonThat's the whole game. And about 2/3s of it is super unfinished. Like the drow village in the underdark, every single house has the same copy pasted interior. You'll see mansions in an overworld map, and go in and it's just 2 tiny rooms. It's all shit and people who think this is better than bg3 are literally insane. If this is what people want to fellate every day then just kill the whole awful genre.
>>720573343Muchi muchi pork
>>720573819I fucking hate bullet hell. No.
>>720573747I think people concede that gameplay wise Baldur's Gate 2 is a mediocre rpg, but its the story people consider to be one of the best, isnt that true?
>>720573909Not my problem, this is an objectively deeper game than any rpg
If action-rpgs count>Mount&Blade Warband and its derivatives such as WFAS and VC>Morrowind>Underrail>Deus Ex>Planescape: TormentIf not then add F1 to the list
>>720568914The story is basically>lizards want some crown>go gather the gems for that crown>now fuck youAnd then there's a finale and the game's over. Apparently there's DLC that expands the story? I don't know, I never bothered with it.
>>720509661BG3Jagged Alliance 2UnderrailPathfinder:WoTRPlanescape Torment or Arcanum (both have ass gameplay and are overrated)Simple as.Most classic CRPGs fucking SUCKED from a gameplay perspective and no amount of nostalgia cope will ever change that.BG1-2 (mods included), Fallout 1-2, NWN, all pure dogshit. Gameplay so braindead a fucking pomeranian could sleepwalk through the game.
>>720574426>Most classic CRPGs fucking SUCKED from a gameplay perspectiveAnd JRPGs too you think FF7 is peak gameplay?
>>720574169>but its the story people consider to be one of the bestThe story, as I have already said, is just a generic fantasy weg without the porn. If you are playing games for the story then you don't like video games. There's nothing to argue there. Why would I "play" a story when I can just pick up a book and read about Caesar's first hand account of curbstomping the gaul or something. I don't care if you played some crappy game you can't defend any more when you were 12 and have an unnatural and irrational attachment to the characters, that doesn't make a video game good and it's shameful that supposed boomers harass and try to force that same behavior on young people with constant spamming and astroturfing. Seems a lot like astroturfing to me. Really grievous behavior.
>>720574426>Gameplay so braindead a fucking pomeranian could sleepwalk through the game.WotR is also that.
>>720574627>Why would I "play" a story when I can just pick up a book and read about Caesar's first hand accountCan you make choices in Caesar's first hand account of curbstomping the gaul or something?
>>720574352>>720569423Sounds lame. I gotta have story AND gameplay in my RPGs, unfortunately.
>>720574169>but its the story people consider to be one of the bestNigga please
>>720543965That's because developers, for God knows what reason, refuse to ever actually elaborate on the impact a personal relationship like that would have on the overarching story. You grind the bar, you get the rewards, you get the personal quests done, and boom, the reward is the only lasting impact. If devs bothered to make romances as important as any other choice in an RPG, that wouldn't be the case. The best you get is a slightly different ending, most of the time. They sequester off the entire system, refuse to let the characters interact with the story/other characters out of fear players would be "missing out" by not doing one romance option over the other, or just pure laziness because it's slightly harder to implement that way. We barely get choices in RPGs now anyways, so this is never gonna change regardless.
>>720574807No worries my nigga, I don't expect the game to appeal to everybody
>>720574738I'm not the biggest fan of WoTR, and no, they could't. Even just on Core rules, the game will pound your ass consistently unless you know what you're doing.Meanwhile you can pump through the entirety of Fallout just by maxing agi, or BG1 by picking up a single pair of speed boots and a bow.
>>720524027Anon not everyone likes eating shit like you pls undestand
>>720524027>make thac0 low and watch swings>make thac0 low and watch swings but there's more enemies and they cast spells morekill yourself
>>720574807Story in RPG is not important, the dialogue/writing however can be important since it should react to your inputYou can have the dumbest story ever, as long as it respects the rpg roots and has reactivity its instantly superior to whatever linear pseudo-intellectual garbage you praise.
>>720574749>Can you make choices in Caesar's first hand account of curbstomping the gaul or somethingYou aren't supposed to self insert in an rpg. The gameplay is filling the role of the character in the party. To think this heavily relates to narrative is profoundly wrong and a horrifying misunderstanding of what rpgs were supposed to be. RPGs are not CYOAs and CYOAs are essentially shallow Facebook personality quizzes with a lot of set dressing.If I want to re-enact caesars campaign and make my own choices I can do that in Field of Glory 2, a war game, and the choices will be "why didn't caesar attack at this hill here or use these units", not something like "oh I'm a fedora tipping moral arbiter who will settle this argument over whether or not owning slaves is okay". What kind of subhuman thinks this sort of thing constitutes gameplay?
>>720524027Feel free to post your BG3 honor mode clear.Walk in the park compared to SCS, right? Surely you've done it.
>>720575058>no, they could't. Even just on Core rules, the game will pound your ass consistently unless you know what you're doing.Feat stacking is not complexity. You are the reason rpgs are terrible and do not deserve discussion.
>>720575231>What kind of subhuman thinks this sort of thing constitutes gameplay?The same people who sit down with a DnD group every week. 90% of the "gameplay" is just talking.
>>720575231Player agency is important in games like this whether you like or not.
>>720575459Choosing to attack at a hill and getting flanked by cavalry as a result is player agency. A lot deeper player agency than choosing an answer in a dialogue box.
>>720575459nta but i agree and you have far more agency in character building and combat encounters than what dialogue trees and narrative decisions allow for
>>720575629BG3 does both
These threads are the most concentrated form of retarded /v/ contrarianism, to the point where you'll see contrarianism against other contrarians just for the sake of feeling extra.
>>720575695BG3 is the extreme minority and it won't ever happen again.
>>720575394>Feat stacking is not complexityCorrect and I also hate how reliant Pathfinder games are on this, hence why it is low on the list.It is also why I never mentioned it, and why you'll still get destroyed even if you manage to stack your AC/tohit to stupid levels. You clearly haven't actually played the game longer than half a dozen hours and should thusly shut the fuck up.
>>720575801And New Vegas? I mean it lacks strategy but you can solve quests in multiple ways not just dialogue, have you seen Beyond the Beef?
>>720575710it's just a handful of autistic fallout/bg spergs. They're (rightfully) ignored basically in any thread they crop up.Just 0 self awareness or ability to judge things based on merit.
>>720575174"Story" is shorthand for not just the main plot, but also the dialogue, branching/reactivity, companions/NPCs, and the quests. My apologies if you couldn't infer that.
>>720575807>I agree b-but you haven't played itOwlcat generals are the worst thing that has ever happened to /v/ and you people are mentally ill.
>>720575884Hahaha no Story is the plot, the StoryWriting is the whole thing.
>>720575930>no argumentStop posting at any time. If you think feat stacking is all it takes to beat the game, you haven't played it long at all. End of story.
>>720575930I agree the generals do suck, Reddit is even worse, i made the mistake of going to RPG subreddits, its filled with Owlcat trash, even the owlcat devs post there and try to cool the salt from their retarded fanboys who can't write a post without seething about Larian.
>>720575863>And New Vegas?Jesus christ no.>walk 20 miles to point of interest>do 2 skill checks (the 2nd one doesn't even matter>quest done>walk 20 miles to next point of interestOne of the most terrible games I have ever played in my entire life. Beyond the beef is a perfect example of this, as despite the quest forks appearing large, none of them actually matter and the quest only has 2 true outcomes, both of which are inconsequential for the player. You're not making hard choices in NV that one might expect in an apocalypse scenario, like betraying a faction you like because you desperately need food or ammo. It's all braindead obviously synergistic feats and Facebook quiz tier dialogue choices.
>>720576216New Vegas isn't an apocalypse scenario. It's not even post-apocalypse, it's the step after that. What a retarded argument.
>>720576024>If you think feat stacking is all it takes to beat the gameIt literally is. It's just stacking the correct feats then you prebuff and smash your overinflated statbricks into owlcats overinflated statbricks. This design philosophy even carried into rogue trader despite being turn based and you just stack a buff 20 times then 1 shot a boss. These games are for total idiots.
>>720576315>New Vegas isn't an apocalypse scenario. It's not even post-apocalypse, it's the step after that>uummmmmm actuallyIt's supposed to be a post-apocalyptic setting about the collapse of human society, that was all just gutted because it's too harsh and gets in the way of being a glorified bethesda bandit killing simulator. It's crap.
>>720576216You have to agree that Beyond the Beef is a great side quest, i mean it can be completed in 4 different ways technically, it has branches and it reacts to your perks like when you are a Cannibal, thats neat and its not all dialogue focused, you are sneaking and fighting or talking your way through it, come on have you seen the average side quest in Jrpgs and Wrpgs? this is way above the usual level, you are being very harsh for no good reason now.
>>720576491>You have to agree that Beyond the Beef is a great side questNo I'm 100% when I say it's really bad and everything wrong with modern rpg design. It's a perfect summary of why rpgs are bad and you are cancer for liking it.
>>720576626Is there any side quests that you consider are good? I want to see your pov
>>720576626>100%*seriousFallout can never be good because no rpg should be a single character and you can't design an interesting quest that can be passively solved with 2 simple skill checks in a dialogue window. It's so obviously garbage and wrong.
>>720576472No, dumbass, it wasn't gutted, the setting progressed from Fallout 1 and 2.
>>720576731especially when the skill checks in new vegas are completely transparent. you just put the square peg in the square hole
>>720576315If you want to be pedantic then by that same logic you could say that Fallout 1 is not post-apocalyptic as it doesn't take place 5 minutes after the bombs dropped, instead skipping decades forward in time to show us stabilised communities alongside an attempt by The Master to rebuild society in a new form. "So it's actually post-post-apocalyptic you see!" You could make that argument, but it would be a waste of everyone's time including your own.
>>720576684>Is there any side quests that you consider are goodBG3 has improved quest design over NV because quest can be solved non-linearly and both forwards and backwards. All quests in the game work like this, where you're basically picking up pieces of the puzzle in any order you see fit. This is, fundamentally, how most old pre-bioware rpgs worked, just in a much simpler capacity, and it's also how a lot of the quests in ToEE work, again in a much simpler capacity. And even then it's really not that impressive and your time would be better served playing any other genre.
>>720576757Fallout was supposed to be wasteland 1 for people too dumb to play a video game. You're shitting your pants over crappy lore like it's sacred when it's really some of the most shallow crap ever uploaded to a wiki ran by a fat brony.
>>720576909Your butthurt over RPGs is not going to stop me playing them or considering them one of the better genres. You've still yet to give me a game I would even remotely consider playing over a good RPG.
>>720577152This it was megasloppa from the start
>>720577248>playing themYou aren't playing them. You're making the same endless threads over and over to pedantically argue over badly written wiki lore. My faction is better than your faction tier shit. It's been the same thing over and over for over a decade now. Your behavior is the biggest evidence that this genre is poisonous and should not be played.
>>720576909I enjoy:Immersive SimsRPGsAction RPGsHorror gamesMetroidvaniaRoguelikesSometimes i can enjoy action/adventure games like Zelda but most of them are shallow and too casual like Ubisoft games or Rockstar or Naughty DogI dont like sport games like Fifa or Racing games like NFSI dont like war games like Call of Duty or strategy war like Company of HeroesI can enjoy some RTS and i can enjoy some tactical stealth games like Commandos But mostly my favorite genres are the above. RPGs give me satisfaction because they have progression elements that feels rewarding, this is instead of skill ceiling to master, i get it you care about skills, but progression and player agency are more of my kind of thing, when it comes to skill based games i tend to enjoy multiplayer more.
>>720577535>Immersive Sims>RPGs>Action RPGs>Horror games>Metroidvania>RoguelikesAll of these are extremely casual brainrot.
>>720577535Oh i forgot FPS too, i do enjoy some FPS like Half Life, Doom and Unreal Tournament 2004 but sadly most FPS today are shit, i hated Titanfall 2 for example and a lot of FPS from Xbox are pure garbage. FPS peaked in old school PC era
>>720577418The only threads I've made in months are a couple of RTS threads. Get your shit straightened out.
>>720577535>Immersive Sims>Action RPGs>Horror gamesThis can all be summed up as push crouch to be invisible games. This is all the same shit lol
>>720576909You can finish quests "non-linearly" if it nakes sense in fnv though lmao
>>720577576We can just agree to disagree :)
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>>720577597Post sunlust clear poseur
>>720577712try again man i think it bugged
>>720577576that doesn't negate the fact that immersive sim is the best genre in all of gaming
>>720577712Uh oh, the bot broke. Imagine how much /v/ would improve if this particular IP was permanently banned.
>>720577576This the only real games are point and click adventure games
>>720577798>I pressed crouch so I'm invisible and insulated from all harm now, im..I'm... gaming...
>>720577816lol true, what the fuck was that post.
>>720577837>point and clickcasual shit. real adventure games use parsers
>>720577816Imagine how much /v/ would improve if you were rangebanned.
>>720577798There is nothing in immersive sims that requires learning or mastery, go 1cc a shmup, see what that takes and you'll see. I don't think you've ever played an fps competitively either.
>>720577935I kneel to the Collosal Cave Explorers among us I had no idea you distinguished gentlemen were our boardfellows
>>720577902immersive sims are good because you can take almost any approach you want, and because of the depth they have
>>720578046I've 1CCed Gradius 3. It doesn't fucking matter. I'd rather play RPGs.
>>720578094>immersive sims are good because you can take almost any approach you wantYou can do that in any game, but in most games you are punished for making the wrong choices.
>>720578046so shmups and CS:GO are the best videogames? not deus ex, SS1 and 2, or any of the thief games?
>>720578094Yeah this, I like Deus Ex, Dishonored, SS2, Prey and Hitman, great games imo
