>"RAYTRACING IS BAD BECAUSE... BECAUSE I'M POOR OKAY"
this marketing tactic is so tiredsome up with something else
>>720513571>FPS>116>44
>>720513571"you're poor" is the "git gud" of marketers
>Real time RT:20fps>Baked RT: 200fpsyou know you can just bake that right? Someone post the batman game screenshots or something.
>>720513650>>720513796yep. so tiresome.
>>720513842You know this game has a day/night cycle and weather systems right?
>>720513571Considering RT is about pushing the cost of running games onto the consumer it's the devs admitting they are too poor to pay employees.
>>720513571Left looks better plus artistic intention
>>720513571>fuck-all to do in both scenesYAY
>>720513571>PS1 had raytracingWhy is Nvidia so behind?
>>720513571Contrast of the overall image is better with pt off
>>720514535HL2 was even better Anon.
>>720514535Reflections != Raytracing
>>720513571Imagine being an obsessive immersionfag. Sounds taxing>>720513694YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO NOTICE THAT
>>720513571was getting laughed out of /g/ not enough for you?
>>720513796they're not wrong though.
>>720513571>poorfag seethe thread
>>720513842Name a single game, dynamic lighting or not, that matches the quality of games with path tracing
>>720514847*daily
rasterfags don't understand the technologies involved with lighting and reflections and the limitation of those technologies so it's pointless to even discuss the issue with them
>>720513571>44FPS with path tracing onMan your build is FUCKED. My 3080 Ti plays at 4K with full path tracing at 58FPS. Get better mods.
>>720513571with good lighting artist all of that is achievable other than the "perfect" reflections
Left looks better.
>>720514535gba had ray tracing
>>720513571silky smooth 44fps
>>720513571left is more pleasing to look at even if right is more realistic
>>720513571
more like gay-tracing lmao
>>720514321yes we really need realtime day/night rather than 2-4 baked settings
>>720515372You using the one mod that was on digital foundry? Assuming performance dlss? Are you able to use transformer rr?
>>720513571Both look nice. Different moods. Why do the lobby windows turn green in the brighter image?
>>720515550>5090 is struggling to do what a GBA did
>>720513571No, raytracing is bad because it takes a very large toll on performance in return for a negligible return on visual quality.>y-you're just poor!It doesn't matter how good your card is, there's always a better use for your card's power than rendering lights and reflections in the most performance intensive way possible.
>>720514321So games without d/n cycle don't need baked in lighting?
>>720514610>1998 ps1 game>2004 pc gameno shit it looks better
>>720513694OY VEY, STOP NOOOTICING OUR NJUDEA TRICK
Left looks better
>>720513571Damn that looks impressive! So does it make the game into a proper serious gritty RPG like promised in marketing?It doesn't?Then what's the fucking point.Come back with a Nvidia plugin that makes the gameplay better.
A real comparison needs to equalize fps. So you would need to compare no rt at 4k max settings to 360p with rt and low settings for everything else. Then you can see if the rt image looks better.
>>720515864>more like gay-tracing lmaotrue look at the ads on the right, very jewish
It's bad becsuse of noise
>>720515913Why not 100 baked settings?
>>720513571Left has more sovl.
>>720513842>>720516276>>720515913>>720518309>muh day/night >muh bakeduuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhOcarina of Time is both and completely mogs.
>>720518309Computer graphics has always been a balancing act between computational and memory requirements.
>>720513571>4080>44fps
>>720513571>Scene looks far worse stylistically>"But its better because it's more REALISTIC
>>720513571lol why doesn't the glass have reflections in non rt like the trimming around it does? also it would be painfully easy to achieve a similar effect with those pink lights if they weren't completely shameless nvidia dicksuckers.
>>720518973Nah you're just poor bro! GET SOME CHEESE BRO
>>720513571>artist's vision>"nvidia told us to sell gpus"
>>720515973No? Go on nexusmods and look for the ray reconstruction/path tracing mod.
>>720513571another thing the njudea shills never tell you is how fucking awful PT looks in motion (especially with ray reconstruction). it takes 0.5s for the image to stabilize itself after turning into a blurry, muddy mess with any sort of camera movement going on. That's why you only ever see static screenshots with very obviously little to no movement going on in the scene showcasing muh path traycing>t. 4080 super owner
>>720522479>4080 super ownerYou're poor. That GPU is massively outdated. I'm so tired of retarded poorfags like you shitting on ray tracing, when everyone who has a half decent GPU knows how good it is.
>>720513571Raytracing has basically nothing to do with why those look entirely different. They just changed the lighting totally, independently of the raytracing being enabled or not to make it seem like its having a larger effect. Ray tracing wouldn't up the brightness or increase the intensity/saturation of the pink lighting. That is an independent variable from the lighting simulation.
>>720513571I don't need anything more than pic related. a smooth 4k 144hz and looks better the art style looks better than any game out there
>>720522748HOLY SHIT! PT+RR is flawless now that I have 100fps instead of 60! All for the reasonable premium of +$1500!and madarchod to you too, ranjeet.
>>720513571Okay, now post some old games lighting and color palette
>>720513571RT is a crutch
>>720513842A 5070 can run cyberpunk with RT
>>720515842anon dont you know how warped plexiglass warps reflections? also glass in general warps because of the sunlight exposure over the years
>>720523229>turns on DLSS Quality at 1440p>Suddenly that 4070Ti gets 80 fpsAnd this is without any frame generation bullshit. And it somehow looks better than the TAA smear.
>>720525648>spend 2 grand>play at 720p>still worse looking and feeling than non rt would
>>720513571How does this affect gameplay?
>>720526156Makes the controls feel worse and fucks up your timing.
>>720513571>left>realistic lighting>right>literally everything is a mirrorNice gimmick for 30% the framerate, retard.
>>720513571This terrifies the brown third worlder
I love how PCfags are crying about how there's nothing like Crysis 2.0 out there to test the capabilities of their $5000 RGBT shitboxes but the moment any demanding technology that has huge impact on visuals comes out and is utilized in modern vidya they just shit their pants and cry over framerates and how it's just a useless gimmick and anyways graphics shouldn't have evolved beyond Duke Nukem 3D.
>>720516276They can bake lighting but it's bound to increase their size. Dead Island 2 has great baked lighting (one of the best looking games in general) and it's an Unreal 4 game.
>>720514743yes they are faggot. they should git gud at making this junk run at higher frames than 30
>>720526587lol lmao, you think that's scary i can't tell the difference between RTX and RTX off anymore
>>720526775Maybe in the next 10 years you'll be able to afford a dedicated GPU and play your childhood games with raytracing turned on in frames higher than 30.
>>720513571i literally cant play without full rt or pathtracing. just look at this. the baked version looks so bad and unrealistic.
>>720516579RDR2 is extremely polished art direction, it's not technically advanced. GTA V Enhanced is unironically more advanced than current RDR2.
>>720527051...so what you fucking retard
>>720526657Yes, it has a huge impact on visuals. A negative one because rt makes shit look worse.
>>720526893>ignores the point to talk about moneystupid nigger
>>720513571i like the left one better
>>720513571>Lost 70 fps for this when the first pic doesn't even look badNo thanks
>>720513571>116 fps>44 fpsSee, it's about cost/benefit analysis. Yeah it's a neat feature sure, but is it worth the tradeoff? It's not. It reminds me of when The Witcher 3 first came out and it had that hairworks feature that gave the hair of the main characters a bit more of a realistic look. Yeah, the difference was there, it was immediately apparent. But it also fucking killed the performance of the game at the time and cut the framerate in half. It's not that the feature is "bad", it's just that it simply isn't worth what you're sacrificing to implement it.
>>720513571I mean whoever that guy is, is indeed poor by your standards because their hardware is unable to deliver playable performance with it on. I might accept that kind of frame rate on a portable toy, but for gaming pc or home console that's too low.
>>720527051>bwo gtu5 is more advncud bcuz tehy added single bounce rtgilowest iq in the room award goes to ((You))
>>720513571what if you just had good art design and didn't need ray tracing as a crutch?
>>720527086It shouldn't be the benchmark standard. If a game had a lot of technology thrown at it like Cyberpunk, then it should be treated as such. even if I find the artstyle to be quite ugly in some areas.
>>720527151Why should technology wait for the consumers? Some things are ahead of the times... For PC faggots, all of them.
>>720514610HL2 unironically looks better than most modern games.
>>720527250i want the end result of good ass graffix, rdr2 mogs cp and gta:ee
>>720527238Two bounces now and yes, the indirect lighting makes all the difference. RDR2 can fuck itself because everything it's known for is already done better in Flight Simulator.
Its just a massive performance cost for little visual gain.Sure if I could turn it on and my FPS wouldn't drop by 100, I would probably turn it on.But thats not the case so I won't be doing it
>>720527250We are measuring visuals, not technology. Only people with skin in the hardware race put technology over how the fucking end result looks.
>>720513571That does look pretty good. The people who are shocked that cutting edge technology has cutting edge requirements are a bit silly.
>>720527401Plus already existing games already do better. Fallout 3 has great day/night cycles.
>>720527451If that's the case then we should all put Journey as the great benchmark for GPUs.
>>720527458People are shocked at how bad the cutting edge technology is not that it is new.
>>720527576Games. Not gpus. If your game doesn't look better then it shouldn't require more expensive gpus to run.
>>720527673You're judging the artistic value and not the technology these games are pushing so you shouldn't hold the GPUs accountable. The devs are at fault for not having such talents.
>>720513571>over 1k GPU>lose 60% of your fpshahahah, kys OP
