>it's a prequel of a 2000s, game set decades before>technology level is more advanced than the game it's a prequel ofWhy do this?
>A bipedal tank, capable of traversing any terrain
>whyfag>retarded faggotEvery single time.
What happened to the parasites? Did they reeeaaally not use them to create futa-horsecock prostitutes?
May have something to do with modern hardware allowing to do more technical stuff in vidya. Besides, what's with the MGS5 threads lately?
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>>720533840Sahelathropus existed, but Venom's damaged mind made it more formidable and bestial-,looking than reality. In truth, it was a barely functional, crude attempt at a bipedal weapon.
>>720533948LEGS
>>720538746This. It was an overdesigned mechanical monstrosity that was repurposed to act as a deterrent since actually using proved to be impossible even after Huey killed his wife and tried to kill his son to get it to work.
>>720533840it was magic, actually
>>720536802not exactly untrueRAXA is in canon limbo and Sokolov is either MIA or still deadHuey made the ones after and Sahelanthropus specifically was supposed to just be a giant action figure since it couldn't be piloted, then he got firedconsidering Madnar's involvement with Raiden, he leans more towards cybernetics so that's why his MG had dinosaur legs
>>720533840because there was supposed to be a sequel that explained the anachronisms of TPP's technology>HURR GO AWAY SCHIZO, THERE IS NO CHAPTER 3it is literally explained in metal gear survive. cope all you want, TPP as a multirelease project was never finished and survive was konami making an extremely half-asssed attempt at releasing the final piece without understanding what the goal of the project even was.
>>720533984>NOOOO HOW DARE YOU QUESTION MY GOOK DEITY'S WRITING!!!You're a literal fucking cultist.
I like how everyone focuses on the one robot that literally doesn't work without literal magic, and not the ones that work without
>>720536802>look at an early cellphone: massive and clunky>look at current cellphone: tiny and sleekwhat happened?
>>720539429>AI slopI shan't be investing
>>720539524your loss
>>720539317What did Survive explain?
>>720533948I missed the part where he invented the iphone and wormhole extractions.
>>720533840The joke is Sahelathropus doesn't work without a psychic kid using telekinesis to move it like a puppet. It's essentially just a big doll that hasn't got the technology to make it work.
>>720539612where wormhole technology and other advanced technologies come from. it also explains the wandering motherbase soldiers. it also explains the prisoner in ground zeroes muttering schizo equations.
>>720539498>what happened?Keeping it to warfare alone :>look at first produced drones huge and clunky>look at current effective drones small and sleekA mature technology tends to shrink unless there is an unavoidable reason for it to stay larger.
>>720539240>Sokolov is either MIA or still deadHe walked off his shot kneecaps and groznyjgrad being nuked.
>>720540129Wouldn't even be in the top 10 of major asspulls in the series.
>>720540129skull face helped him obviously
>>720533840Because making the game fun is more important than stupid shit only autistics care about.
>>720540267>In one of the most autistic franchise done by autistic people
i loved how mgv did retro scifi. You have to accept a lot of the advanced tech is scifi from the perspective of a retro setting.and this>>720539976
>>720539240>Sokolov is either MIA or still deadCharacter viewer in Delta says that he was killed by Volgin>Sub Characters
>>720540316the amount of cope Vggers go through lmao.>Dood the Iphone was like retro
>>720540045yes, i know. the point is that the comic is making it seem like it is weird that it went from the (nonfunctioning) behemoth that was sahelanthropus to the tiny TX-55 despite most technology being made smaller/more efficient over time across the board.
>>720540367what does Volgin's entry say?
>>720540373Its retro SCIFI. if you are in the 1980s and someone showed you a prototype military iphone, thats future tech.
>>720540409ZEKE to TX-55 doesn't make sense though considering REX ends up looking like ZEKE again but with Sahelanthropus's head
>>720539913they use the same wormhole extraction in 3 fag.
>>720540631TX55 is just the next version of the MGSV Walker Gear
>>720540373all the scifi stuff in 5 is a mix of plausible one off prototypes not mass produced commercial stuff. A lot of it pretty retro looking too
>>720540792very interesting, I just played through Subsistence and Delta. I must have blacked out when big boss sent some tanks and people through a wormhole.I missed the part where they had wormholes in 1 and 2 as well.
>>720539240Volgin beats sokolov to death while the screen is black at the beginning of the torture scene in mgs3. I figured this out 20 years ago. how are people still missing this?
>>720540631design doesn't always make sense and people make mistakes. there are also different designers with different ideas of how design should go. designers also flip-flop on design, changing something and then reverting to the earlier design in a later model because they realized the change was for naught. it isn't that hard to understand. it's not like the metal gear development history is total nonsense because the models between sally and rex are so different from the rest of the line.
>>720541001Sokolov shows up in Portable Ops and Portable Ops stuff showed up in MGS4 so people are still split between whether or not its canon. Kojima has implied that it is not canon but then he went and made MGSV, the most irrelevant game in the franchise story.
>>720540909no no I remember that codec call in 1 vividly>SNAKE WATCH OUT THAT'S A WORMHOLE>wormhole?
i think mgsv is good. People get mad it wasnt "completed" and missing the lord of the flies part but the truth is you complete the game the first time. Everything in the second part is bonus stuff. It has to end at some point.The only thing thats truly BS is the battle gear tank not being playable
>>720541302of course it is, 4chan just likes to shit over anything that people enjoy
>>720541302>it has to end at some pointThat is if it has story to begin with
>>720541302I sure felt satisfied that the game that was advertised as the missing link of the saga adds tons of shit that it never follows up on and all that it amounts to is "actually MG1 BB is just a body double lmao"
>>720539385Let me guess, you are one of those millennials who unironically thinks MGS1 is "genius".
>>720542895The less there is the better.The best videogames have no plots whatsoever.In fact, MGS' sole legacy is convincing a Gen Xers who wish they were movie directors to polute the videogame industry, resulting in garbage like TLOU, The Order 1886 and David Cage's entire career
>>720543123It was the missing link, MGS is supposed to be a videogame franchise, and MGSV is thr first MGS that's an actual game and not a movie.Plus it has the positive of not bothering you with more shitty writing from the guy who thinks guys pissing themselves is the funniest thing ever.
>>720543123its loderally a sadam reference
Most amazing thing about MGSV is it looks great for an open world game and its around 20gbs hdd space
Do any of you play MGO2?
>>720543123There has never been any missing links, MGS3 was all that was needed.If you fags just believe and do whatever advertising tells you then you are just mindless NPCs.
>>720533840But the metal gear doesn't even work, they needed magic to pilot it like a puppet
>>720543678It's actually kinda funny and genius and filters most posters
>>720533840Sahelanthropus literally doesn't work, Huey mentions that he could never find a way to make it work because remote control was laggy and the head wasn't big enough to accomodate an adult.He wanted to make it work via AI, but he said that integrating it within Sahelanthropus instead of having AI pods like the Peace Walker vehicles would have required several years of technological advances.
>>720536802RAXA isn't canon
>>720533840meanwhile a few years earlier
>>720543864it does work since you fight it. it's got guns, missiles, a railgun thick thighs, metallic archaea, a whip sword, and they all work. there's just no way to get it to start. it's like a car without car keys.
>>720544141it can't move, it needs kid psycho mantis to move it around A mecha like that would need super advanced servos and ai controlling it. Nothing like that existed in the 80s
>>720544141There's no way to start or control it.It's like a car that's missing a keyhole, a steering wheel, pedals and can't fit a nornal sized person.
>>720543864>>720544228>spend actual billions building a giant robot>complete it>oops forgot it was supposed to be controlled
>>720544228skill issue
>>720539240Kojima ripped off RAXA for Sahelanthropus in V anyway. They both required psychics to actually work at all.
>>720544292Huey was building it under duress. Skull Face probably caught on to him just buying time and cut him loose after Psycho Mantis shows up.
>>720541117>MGSV, the most irrelevant game in the franchise storyMGSV with MGSPW are thematic sequels to MGS4. MGS4 ends with the paradigm of a La-li-lu-le-lo controlled world collapsing. However, MGS4 does not show how new paradigms can take an old's place. MGSV talks place near the end of the Cold War with the Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan. PW, which is directly tied to V, shows how new paradigms/world orders/ideologies spring up and gain momentum. V shows how misunderstandings, hatred, and revenge decays ideologies.Of course, I am not defending MGSV's failure to convey any of this outside of audio-only cassette tapes, its horrible pacing problem, and the canceled Episode 51 DLC that would have completed the spreading of the cycle of hatred that informs a member of the future generation's ideas.>>720541302MGSV has a horrible pacing problem. It's tone is dramatically different from previous entries. The decision to make it's protagonist have zero personality was extremely controversial. Lastly, because of Kojima's firing (Hideo Kojima was the director, writer, and producer), the game likely lost out on final moments to polish. However, it is unknown what this could've looked like, or if this even affected the game's end of development significantly.
>>720534282They were spread via the English language, resulting in the mass brainrot and psychosis of today.
>>720544292They didnt forget it, Huey ended up going for AI control but needed more time to develop it.What's with MGSfags in /v/? You fags are completely obsessed with its plot but you miss out even things that are straight up spelled to you.
>>720544415Because if you build an actual giant robot that you cannot operate you have built something utterly worthless retard, it makes zero sense. You don't build the most advanced contraption on Earth and just say "we'll figure out how to control it in a few years teehee" when it's not even the first fucking go at it
>>720544415Mgsfags are the lowest IQ people in /v/, you need a low IQ to take Metal Gear's retarded plot seriously.There's a reason a remake of their precious MGS3 came and went without much fanfare.
>>720544415They didn’t play the game.
>>720544489But you didn’t play the game. Huey wasn’t done building the robot. You would know this if you played the game. Which you didn’t. Btw.
>>720534282They were eventually used as a reference to create the FOXDIE virus and consequentially the GW worm cluster and FOXALIVE, due to its ability to isolate and target specific elements or individuals.
>>720544489>"Okay, this thing is really advanced, I'm gonna need more time to complete it">Skullface takes Sahelanthropus away from him anywayThat's literally the first fucking scene with Huey, that he complains about how he needs more time to finish it and after that he has no clue how Skullface made it work.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=arjnQQ5EkIc&pp=ygUTTWdzdiBodWV5IHNrdWxsZmFjZdIHCQmyCQGHKiGM7w%3D%3D
>>720544534oh it didn't have servos and a power source and wasn't armed?
>>720544415>"It needs to be AI controlled!!">"also I don't know anything about AI and I killed the one person I know that did"he was never planning on finishing it
>>720544606It didnt have any way to be controlled, its like saying a car without a steering wheel or pedals is finished.Play the fucking game.
>>720544586>I have completed everything except any method of controlling it. This makes logical sense somehow because I don't think about how things are made.Bro this is like saying "here's this 99% complete YF-23, we don't have a cockpit though but for some reason finished literally everything else except for the thing we need to actually test anything else we've built on it at any stage in development."It's retarded, man, completely fucking retarded.
Can you control mecha in MGS V?
>>720544606So you admit you didn’t play the game. It wasn’t finished. It discussed how it isn’t finished as soon as you see Huey. You should at least pretend that you’ve played the game you’re sperging about. As it is now you just sound stupid.
>>720540029wtf is wormhole technology
>>720544690And being as finished as it is without any way to be controlled is RETARDED, retard.
>>720544695the best one in fact
>>720544640>I dont know anything about AINot only he developed the Reptile pod of the vehicles in Peace Walker, he recovered the Mamal pod from Peace Walker itself to adapt both pods into Sahelanthropus.Play the game, all this is explained in it.
>>720544773Cute!Should replay then.
>>720544691Yes, and that's why he's asking Skullface more time to finish it here.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=arjnQQ5EkIc&pp=ygUTTWdzdiBodWV5IHNrdWxsZmFjZdIHCQmyCQGHKiGM7w%3D%3D
>>720544695D walker?
>>720544691>>720544761Behold, the IQ of the average MGSfag.You would struggle to understand even the plot of a Call of Duty campaign.
>>720544808>I need more time to... install a method of controlling it>I just finished everything else first and assembled it into a mech shape because ?????You absolute giga retard you don't realize how stupid building something this way is which is the entire point
>>720539498But they get bigger and bigger in the MGS universe, though. Look at the fucking picture.
>>720544761>finishedIts not.Its missing a way to pilot it.That's the whole point, Sahelanthropus is not finished, it relies on literal magic to work.
>>720544872No, Sahelanthropus was meant to be controlled by AI, and was built with that in mind.He simply needed more time to integrate the AI within Sahelanthropus because he wanted the AIs to be beneath the armor instead of having AI pods.
>>720544640!!! Huey is just like Kojima with MGSV. This is the missing link.>>72054484895% of MGSV is filler. It's expected that the audience won't remember much.
>>720544890The entire thing is finished except for a control method. That isn't how you fucking build something. You don't finish everything else then sit around with no contingencies for control. >>720544960So it would be built, at that stage, with an AI pod or a rudimentary AI because there is zero point assembling a frame of parts which otherwise works except for an inability to control it. That isn't how you actually build something. That's not even close to logical development. You have zero reason for it to be an assembled mech with every other aspect working and yet no fucking way to even MOVE it.
>>720544872All MGS threads have this one schizo having a meltdown over a single trivial detail as a result of obviously not playing the games.A few days ago some fag spent an hour having a meltdown over Ocelot saying that engravings are pointless in MGSV, something he learned in MGS3, because he still wore flashy clothes in MGS1 and 2.
>>720545052>That isn't how you fucking build somethingThe AI computer systems needed more time to be developed in a way that would fit within Sahelanthropus.Are you really losing your mind over this, that Huey met an obstacle developing a vehicle so ridiculously advanced?
>>720545063Every thread on 4chan has some schizo who labels anyone saying things they don't like as some constant thread schizo. I have no clue who you're talking about and don't come on /v/ much so I'm not your boogeyman.This is absolutely a trivial detail, yes, but it's all because having a more capable MG REX years before it is the fucking silliest shit.
>>720545052>with an AI pod or a rudimentary AI because there is zero point assembling a frame of parts which otherwise works except for an inability to control it. And Huey wanted to build it beneath the armor so they would be protected, which is why he asked Skullface more time to finish it.
>>720533948For what purpose does a tank need to climb over a mountain? Just make a helicopter or a jet.
>>720545149I'm not losing my mind over it, I pointed out it's retarded and got met with a ton of people saying "UMM SWEATY YOU DIDN'T PLAY THE GAME" because this is actually your important hill to die on rather than mine because god forbid something not just be kinda retarded in an MGS game.
>>720545149Yes, considering he built Pupa, Chrysalis, Cocoon and the Peace Walker platform (minus the MAD/retaliation AI part)
>it's not yet finished!>the iaea needs to do the inspection!!>I've never seen my child!!!>skull face killed strangelove!!!!>it's clearly a wolf!!!!Huey please go
>>720545052Realistically though you’d have no idea on how anything is designed from cars to subway systems to ai controlled robots you’re just a sperging autty who didn’t play the game(s)
>>720545162Metal Gear REX was meant to be mass produced, Sahelanthropus wasnt, it was meant to make the world shit itself, and even then it literally wasnt finished, because it was too advanced.You say that having tech more advanced than REX is silly while arguing that it makes no sense something so advanced would have a troubled.
>>720545228It’s a good hill because it shows you didn’t play the game, you didn’t watch the cutscenes or listen to the audiotapes. You are basically a schizo that has to get spooned waiting for someone to say something so you can go “ERM AKSHUALLY” lol fag
protip: kojima isnt as dumb as you think. The point of Sahel was it's like early man. Its head is too big and it can't maintain it's balance, it's a physics problem. It literally would not practically work because it can't balance itself. Early humans evolved to be able to balance on two legs and walk.So it's needs psychic powers to move it because no way it'd actually work without falling over
>>720545191>I just wanted to finish the last detail that is vital to its operation and would be a necessity to using it and thus the only reason to even have it be assembledYou don't build a giant robot without an ability to control it. If you can't operate it there's no reason to stick the parts together. That's development.
>>720545228Because you didnt, everything I said is mentioned ingame.
>>720545330>we built it wrong on purpose. I am very smart.actually he's dumber than you think
>>720545234He tried to use the Peace Walker pod to pilot it but it still has the Boss' will overriding orders to kill which is why it was still being developed
>>720545234>Wernher von Braun successfully built the V2 missiles, why did the Apollo 1 mission fail and lead to the delay of Saturn V's development?You have a smooth brain and a low IQ.
>>720545340Not a single thing I said is contradicting it. You don't get that you don't finish the fucking robot and sit around for a way to control it, you have to build them in tandem because there is no actual point to sticking the robot together without it being able to move. You don't just fucking blunder through an engineering project and hope shit works sticking it together with finished components. If you want to test balance or structural integrity you would finish it with mockup parts, not ones that are integrated with a transforming wire blade.
>>720545331>you shouldnt build what you have completely nailed down because of a single missing component even when you are being held at gunpoint to work as fast as possible
>>720541269I can hear their voices saying that. Even Snake low whispering repeating "wormhole".
>>720545515>a single missing component>the ability to make every other part movecorrect retard, absolutely correct. Because it's functionally worthless to stick functioning guns or moving arms on it if you can't pull the trigger on them or make them move.
>>720545470play the game
I hate helicopters on side-ops so so much
>>720545470>wtf why is this tech so much more advanced than REX>wtf why did this ultra advanced tech meet issues during its development
>>720545589think critically
>>720545359it works because of mantis.
>>720545374>Peace Walker pod to pilot but has the Boss' will overriding ordersIt's been sitting completely flooded in a lake>>720545424No u.Why did the guy who successfully completed multiple, more advanced projects a decade prior is now struggling to make something easier?Also, Sahelantropus was never meant to have TRUE AI that makes global nuclear retaliation decision but just moving around and responding to threats, something huey did 4 times.MGSV is retarded and you're a shit eating subhuman for defending it.I am a retard for even debating it.
>>720545618>meet issues>said issue: we didn't make a cockpit for it???? we didn't put one of those AI pods in for rudimentary control??? we just figured vibes would carry us through
Lore reasoning of putting the AI Pod out in the open instead of integrating it within the machine?
>>720533840so dissapointing the mgs3 remake is shit
>>720545576Yes, that's one component.If you are going to argue even that then its obvious you are the same schizo as always from MGS threads.Bye.
>>720545690>something easierHe literslly mentions in tapes the challenge that combining the mamal and reptile pod into something small enough to fit beneath its armor is.Play the game, last warning.
>>720545706argue what?argue that it's not missing?Because I haven't once made that argument. My argument is: that's really fucking retarded and not how it would be made.
>>720545690>Sahelanthropus was never mesat to have an AISo you are so schizophrenic you literally contradict what the game says.Schizo.
>>720545470Why don’t you play the game and get back to us little Timmy? Might answer some of your questions if you aren’t too autistic and can just absorb what’s being shown and told.
>>720545690https://metalgear.fandom.com/wiki/The_Boss_AIPlease play the games
>>720545827I did play it. Why did you build a combat-capable robot you have no means of moving?
>>720545804No, arguing that the drive system is one component.See? You have a smooth brain and a low IQ, and you get lost even in basic semantics.Even Call of Duty campaigns are too cerebral for you.
Hey guys y'all seem like passionate MGSV fans. I'm in the middle of a playthrough and just finished that awful rematch against the armored skulls in mission 42, how can I unlock the rest of the story missions? Also I killed Quiet way back when, is that going to be a problem?
>>720545697So the sneaky 1 man army guy can enter it and start pulling out modules
>>720545874It is one component.
>>720545884Act 2 story missions are unlocked periodically after doing side ops
>>720533840Misplaced desire to go beyond what the previous games did even if it makes no sense.
>>720545860You didn’t play the game. Idk why you’d lie about it when all this confusion doesn’t exist if you play the game. I know this makes you mad, but the answers are in that game you didn’t play. In cutscenes AND audiotapes. Crazy how the answers to why the robot didn’t work are in the game you didn’t play.
>>720545860The drive system AI was still in development.
>>720546039crazy how you can't say anything but that I didn't play the game because nothing in the game justifies building it as they did
>>720545926Congratulations, you are capable of understanding English
>>720546139>go to build under construction>have a meltdown because there's no electricity
>>720545206>well you, then you have a machine that could launch a nuclear intercontinental missile from any part of the world and not be tracked.Don't submarines already do that? With the extra advantage of traveling through bodies of water which is 71% of the earth, making submarines more effective that a land based vehicle?
>>720545978Alright cool, I guess I'll just keep at it then. Got me a nice horn yesterday so the game's looking fresh.
>>720546139I don’t have to say anything else. You’re sperging out over something explained in game and you know it. As to the why it’s designed that way? Who knows? Probably Kojima brained plot. I know you think that’s a gacha or something but it really isn’t if you aren’t an obsessed faggot. Kojima made the game and plot this way in the same way God made you a massive retarded.
>>720546226>doing a full lethal runOutrageously based
>>720546217But.....DUDE, ROBOT!
>>720546186>go to office building>entire thing has electricity and plumbing>everything's fully finished>but the doors don't work. in fact there are no doors. there are simply just walls without any ways to get through places. you wonder how they managed it, it's amazing.
>>720546217ICBM launches can be tracked from their exhaust, the railgun was vital for being untrackable.NO you cannot put the railgun on a ship idiot stupid
>>720546305None of this is explained in the game because it's completely fucking retarded to build a robot that way dude.
>>720546330I just built a nukeI am playing lethally but the horn barely budges no matter what I did
>>720546334>ask for ultra advanced doors that rely on nuclear power>be surprised they havent been added them yet
>>720546375The Shagohod in general is silly Sci-Fi >In real life, the Shagohod's Phase 2 as a concept would not be feasible at all, as firing a missile from a Shagohod-like launcher would have an utterly negligible impact on the overall velocity of the missile: starting from 300 miles per hour instead of 0 means very little when the weapon has to accelerate to around 14,000 miles per hour, and would certainly not save enough fuel to almost double the weapon's range. In addition, the guidance of ballistic missiles is inertial, based on a known starting location, and launching it at speed and at a non-vertical angle could not be done with the missile's existing guidance system. Finally and most obviously, Shagohod is said to fire the SS-20 "Sabre" IRBM, a weapon that would not be deployed until 1976. SS-20 appears to have been used because the equivalent period missiles, SS-4 Sandal and SS-5 Skean, used gantry launchers rather than a launch tube and were liquid-fueled, and thus would probably look rather silly on the Shagohod.>There are also several other problems to take into account for the Shagohod itself. Firstly, fundamentally the Shagohod would be detectable by satellites. The script ignores that all weapon systems have a logistical footprint, and the more high-tech, the bigger it is. A Shagohod would need specialised vehicles to fuel, maintain, tow and transport it, storage facilities for dangerous hypergolic rocket fuels, stockpiles of spare parts, workshops, support crew housing, communications to pass it targeting information, and so on. In addition, the vehicle needs a three-mile runway pointing roughly towards its target, and since it pulls itself with augers it would probably need either a special surface or to re-surface the runway every time a vehicle made a launch run.https://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid_3:_Snake_Eater#Trivia:_Plausibility_and_Practicality_of_the_Shagohod
>>720533840Why did it make monkey sounds? Humans were never monkeys and I'm tired of science and redditfags pretending that we were
>>720546485>but sir, was it necessary to build the building without any way to get inside until we get your nuclear powered doors? Seems like we jumped the gun putting this building up.>like seriously my placard is on the desk in my office, it's right there. that wasn't necessary if I can't sit in my office bro.
>>720536802INTRODUCING
>>720546548SEGA SATURN
>>720546531>okay, you'll get your ultra advanced doors at this date we agreed, until then the building isnt usable>REEEEEEBut do enlighten us with your expertise in mecha and AI engineering.
>>720546457Ok so let’s just wrap it up then. You never played the game, and you think that the way the robot was built is retarded. You can leave the thread now. You’ve contributed all you can.
>>720546812okay: you have no reason to put together functioning components of a robot you can't control
>>720541117>Kojima has implied that it is not canonPW treads all over PO. PO is also terrible all around, so who cares.
>>720546548THE CHOCOLATE STARFISH
>>720539385>>720533840So the game can be high-tech and filled with impressive fantasy technology, settings, enemies, weapons and menus without burdening itself with the relatively minor issue of these technologies not existing in reality You fucking retard. You act like such a smartass like youre some genius for hesitating and not understanding the absolute basics of media and special effect, when the answer is so blatantly clear in front of you yet you choose to ignore it because you confuse outraged lack of understanding for intelligent critique. Grow a fucking brain and quit taking magic realism as a plot hole just to try and get one over on shit you never thought about in the first place. That goes for all of you
>>720546846Why?
>>720546965>have an established world lore>throw it all out so the most recent game can be the most hi-tech game yet despite being a prequelKojima is just a retard who doesn't respect his own stories.
>>720547176No he doesnt, he has never given a single fuck about lore. MGS2 quite literally tells you to that Kojima just wants to convey a message, not build some kind of universe.
>>720541302I will never forgive Kojima for cutting the Battle Gear. Apparently it was functional but was removed due to being overpowered, as if the game doesn't have a hundred overpowered items on it.
>*removes Kojima out of the equation*
>>720541302Chapter 3 will unlock any day now
>>720533840>technology level is more advanced>metal gear can't even move without psycho mantis controlling itlol
>>720545236really wish they'd have shot this stupid fucktard, then again dying because your son cucks you is pretty funny.
>>720544141>it does work since you fight it.retard alert
>>720546984Because if you can't actually control it you have no reason to put it together with otherwise finished components. If you're at the stage where you don't know if the thing can walk, you're realistically still on paper but actually more likely at a disarmed, barebones prototype stage without functional weapons because part of the point of prototyping and development is figuring out flaws and iterating on them. And to do that, you need the controls of your giant robot sorted out to actually move and test the functions of it. If you cannot do that, you have no reason to put it together with any parts, let alone weapons-integrated deployment parts, because there's nothing you can actually do or test with it in that state. It is completely nonsensical.
>>720546139everyone knows that if you say "you did not play the game" then you automatically win the argument, you gotta hit back with one of these
>>720547176>secret black ops tech in a secret black ops cia war Easy explanation to what is still an incredibly negligible issue. Its an awful and unimportant reason to abandon the extremely successful and enjoyable use of high-tech in-game technologies in this series. Put your foot down all you want, this is the reason and you’re ridiculous for trying exaggerate your offense just to avoid understanding it
>>720533840not really, sally is more of a meme tiger and a ruse, and it can be just in venoms head how it moves or mantis moved it who knows its not the point, it "advanced" metal gear that pushed the arms race onwards.
>>720533840It was not advanced it was slow as fuck and could only walk if it had Psycho mantis puppeting it around.
>>720536802The TX-55 being tiny makes total sense though. Newer technology allowed them to make it smaller and more covert. Excellent for stealth deployments.
>>720547734You are too much of a faggot to have played any of these games because if we want to talk logic or what makes “sense” then mgs wouldn’t exist because the entire concept of a metal gear is retarded compared to what other technologies can and have done for decades, but do please go on about how crazy it is that the walking nuke tank was built before the AI pod was finished LMAO.
>>720545884Play side ops until the story continues. I believe you can redo the Quiet mission if you want her.
>>720545903The funny thing is even if you don't pull anything and just stand there until the time is up, the whole machine still explodes for no reason whatsoever, PW gameplay is nonsensical as fuck.
>>720546467Damn, you didn't finish the game and you already built a nuke?
>>720539317you are brainlet, everything was explained in tpp and mgs3.
>>720547930yet this is the only game to actually have this problem
they explain it as "suppression of technology", but the real reason is that Kojima can't help himself
>>720548013I'm only at chapter 42 so I don't think I've beaten it yet? I know it gets barebones after killing hamburglar but there's still some story left to do which I need to unlock. Noticed I had enough mats for the nuke so I just went for it.>>720547941I didn't want her which was why I offed her. Reason I asked is because apparently she becomes relevant to the story in chapter 2? If that's going to block me from being able to do all the missions then that's going to be a problem.
>>720533840Never played mgs 5?
>>720545884>Kojima put rape tapes in MGS V and got away with itWhy did he do it?
>>720544640Huey can make A.I, he's just a Roboticist first so Strangelove's A.I is better.
>>720533840>>it's a prequel of a 2000s, game set decades before>>technology level is more advanced than the game it's a prequel ofThat's the point. It's all smoke and mirrors. The only reason that Sahelanthropus even functions is because it's being manipulated by kid Mantis and Liquid together.
>>720548254and Strangelove was also contracted by Zero to make The Patriots AI but then she got whacked by Huey so Sigint had to step in and we get MGS2
>>720548375They still had walking nuke launching robots 10 years earlier
>>720533840 >Game literally tells you the MG is non-functional and a failure meant to scare other countries by only showing glimpses of functionality using an autistic psychic boy.Get mad at PW; that's the game that really fucked up what you're talking about with the AI shit.>>720544404This is the most sane V take I've seen on this site. The tapes wouldn't have even been an issue if they actually mixed them properly with other audio; as-is, you can't listen during normal gameplay because any radio comments or in game noises will drown out the tape.
>>720548080The only game that has a metal gear? Im sorry anon but if you’re going to sperg about Huey not making the AI pod yet then we should also sperg out about the nanomachines, ghosts, and metal gears too. Considering they’re all shittily explained and obviously make believe and so silly XD. Also you wouldn’t know if V is the only game with that problem.
>>720536802Sahelanthropus literally cannot function without Psycho Mantis using his psychokinesis to move itThe change to the TX and Metal Gear D makes sense too>high mobility>lower costs>can still launch a nukeHes like a D Walker without any of the weaknesses and much more resistant
>>720548513Actually most of them aren't as shittily explained, that's the point.
>>720544141Im pretty sure Huey says it also shouldnt even be able to walk
>>720540029>>720539913holy schizo. Kojima may be a hack but he's not a ludonarrative dissonance urinalist coping about yellow paint, the canon reason venom used wormholes in 1974 to carry jeeps to mb was pic related.
>>720548923His willingness to put a wormhole generator in a game just because its cool is what makes him so great
>>720545052Nigger Huey said it LITERALLY SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO STANDITS OWN STRUCTURE DOESNT SUPPORT ITpsycho mantis is the one making it move, like carrying around a cripple
>>720549060>like carrying around a crippleWait a second
why didn't Venom Snake just wormhole out of Outer Heaven? is he stupid?
Remember when Nikita missiles were the most advanced rocket system ever made and needed a CRT? Yeah now we know Russians had holographic displays 30 years earlier and before the invention of transistors too!
>>720549145Because he’s a self-pitying complicit savior-complex schizo
>>720533948Reminder that he gave BB the designs for Jehuty not Rex.
>>720549312Soliton radar and the Codec are nutty technologies in MGS1, not to mention they had full successful human cloning in 1974 according to MGS1, and a nanomachine that remotely causes heart attacks in other subjects based on their genetic code
>>720549342>the only reason he brought back Sahelanthropus and sank Mother Base a few inches was to flexpretty based desu
>>720533840>technology level is more advanced than the game it's a prequel ofIt's not, retard. Sahelantropus doesn't actually work as a machine, needs psychic magic bullshit to walk. It's a visionary attempt ahead of it's time.
>>720544141its Psycho Mantits controlling it
Such is the problem with Prequels. They'll often introduce more advanced and cooler tech and powers becajse they were made after the original, but they MUST cuck themselves out of it in the end because otherwise things wouldn't make sense. See the star wars Prequels for example
>>720549549>recovers nuclear platform and makes it a trophy for his allegedly anti-nuclear base that will develop nukes whenever it wants for the exact same reason all nukes are developed >’it shows our anti-nuke philosophy’ :)He really is like that. ‘Yeah i personally shot all my own men due to them falling victim to a preventable bioweapon leak, sigh im so sad though *rubs their corpses on his face* guys i think im actually like jesus to these guys’ lol
>>720533840Play peacewalker retard. You zoomers shouldn't be allowed to videogame.
>>720539240>since it couldn't be pilotedChibi Otacon was supposed to pilot it, that's why Huey killed Strangelove
>>720543967Yes it is.
>>720549939PW is a humiliation ritual not a game.
>>720550108Huey designed it that way because he’s a schizo and he killed Strangelove for catching him attempting to carry out his schizo machinations using their own son as a war machine.Lets consider how much Otacon wanted to avoid doing evil in MGS1, keeping Otacon from being a 5 year old nuclear weapon is good mothering by Strangelove
>>720536802https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftymFVLQ0DcMetal Gear TX-55 is more useful than the Sahlentropus.
Isn't metal gear just a shittier submarine?
>>720539317>invisible>tiktok cringe
>>720550219>Kojima made Peace Walker to appeal to Monster Hunter addicted youths including his son>"do you like my new game son">"no"humiliation ritual indeed
>>720550380Snake destroys it before it even got turned on
>>720550425They address this in MGS1 directly, the point is that Rex can fire a nuke across the world undetected because it uses a railgun fired nuclear artillery shell rather than a radar-detectable missile
>>720541117>>720546873No it doesn't.Snake is literally said to have been in San Hieronymo.
>>720533840Not so unusual. NASA lost the technology to go back to the moon for 50 years. Oh don't worry though we're definitely going back in 2027 for sure
>>720550829>NASA lost the technology to go back to the moon for 50 years.Why do people believe this when more advanced variants of the same technology is used for war in today?
>>720541117And mgs v is full of unreliable narration. Even shit in GZ doesn’t make sense and it’s implied that venom isn’t even remembering that properly. I’m pretty sure had mgs v been properly finished they would have fleshed out venom being mentally fucked up than what we got.
>>720550517Yeah and look how scary it would be if it could move.
>>720550275Brother, if you think the same person holds the same values at 5yo and at 30yo, you are the schizo
>>720550453actually part of why he made an MGS game on the PSP is because his son really liked Portable Ops.
>>720550548I think his point is that they should have put a railgun on a submarine. That way they could have the stealthy nuke delivery but also be much better at hiding. Like that submarine from Ace Combat.
>>720547930This is such a stupid fucking argument and it reeks of low iq psued. Just because everything in the series is over the top and the tech is too advanced as fake has nothing to do with the logistics of the tech actually being based in reality.
>>720538993mfw I see nice shoes
>>720550792That doesn't mean much. PW seems to go out of its way to contradict PO in major ways.
>>720551081Im not saying 5yo otacon had those opinions, im saying 30yo otacon had those opinions and if he had grown up as a nuclear-equipped child soldier who would have directly killed people in war at that age, he either would not be the otacon we know now, or he would be destroyed by this truth if he had come to the same opinions he ended up having.Its as simple as ‘im going to prevent my husband from turning our child into a nuclear child soldier so he wont be a child soldier and his entire life wont be fucked up’
>>720551802any examples?
>>720551192I accept your concession.
Why do you people constantly frame your own confusion and lack of understanding for intelligence and criticism? The answer is always right in front of you if you just look
>>720548923Kojima is obsessed with explaining everything. You probably weren't even born when MGS4 came out because it would install with a encyclopedia that explained every little shit detail in the game. You have no idea what you are talking about.
>A bipedal robot with nukes that can launch from anywhere and is nearly impossible to track, a perfect piece of deterrence >
>>720553649lore autism and ludonarrative dissonance are different things. and writing in the description "the nanomachines did it" is not an explanation. go back to memorize the fucking encyclopedia, since you are incapable of actual reasoning, and tell me if you can find an explanation for divine wind or why every soldier that sees a magazine has to jerk off on the battlefield, what's the explanation for that, huh?
>>720554574>why every soldier that sees a magazine has to jerk off on the battlefield, what's the explanation for that, huh?nanomachines did it
>>720552245Fair. And I accept that you’re a retarded faggot because I’m not even the guy you were arguing with.
>>720552181Everyone acting like Huey's work is the first time the Metal Gear concept has been used since Granin, Coldman in general, the fact Big Boss and MSF are broke despite all the supposed funds Gene gives him. You could argue that Naked Snake still took down a renegade FOX that maybe didn't involve a Metal Gear, but who knows. I really just don't think Kojima cared and wanted to make PW to replace it.
>>720533840Its a glowie prototype vs MG rex was army and MG ray was navy functional weapons in lore.
>>720543983Its manned by AI in 1970s. Now thats the most unbelievable part.
>>720533840That thing was essentially a giant toy model that couldn't function. It only moved due to magic bullshit temporarily.
>>720556024And it needed a kid inside and adults wouldnt fit because kojima
>>720556180Kids piloting mechs is the oldest trope of mecha shit. Nothing to do with kojima.
>>720539429Not MG, they dont carry nukes. Only Peace Walker counts as AI Metal Gear of all those.
>>720556267>get in the sahalontropus, liquid!
>>720553651Doesnt do fun anime tier battles. Only shoots one spicy boy and thats it.Is just a silly truck without the payload.
Literally nothing ever says the Sahelanthropus needs Psycho Mantis to actually move it. We know it has a childsized cockpit and the thing is functional. Huey never says it shouldn't be able to stand, he is surprised it's able to used because as far as he knew they had no children using the controls. Psycho Mantis isn't forcing the legs to move, he's just operating the controls externally. The idea the Sahelanthropus is some non-functioning shell is completely without basis.
>>720544875yeah, and then they decided smaller and sleeker was better. cope
I still have no idea why kojimbo went overboard with metal gear designs.Going "blah blah technical progression suppression" isn't enough The PW gear seems to be the "missing link" until MGS5 happened.
>>720554574>why every soldier that sees a magazine has to jerk off on the battlefield, what's the explanation for that, huh?They are straight. I know a hard concept to grasp for a troon.
>>720557427Get back in your boat Huey.
>>720555054>Everyone acting like Huey's work is the first time the Metal Gear concept has been used since GraninBecause the Raxa and IBMG are not true Metal Gear. They can't walk and are transported by air. They're much more easy to catch.>Coldman in general,>Gene: So... You never knew. Six years ago, during Operation Snake Eater, Volgin launched an American nuclear missile at Sokolov's research lab. This caused a change in plans, and the U.S. government had to assassinate its own operative, The Boss, to prove its innocence. And you were the assassin, Snake. Do you really think Volgin committed that terrible crime of his own will?>// Snake: What? // Gene: It was all a setup from the very beginning. Volgin launching the nuke... The Boss' death... Even your mission in Groznyj Grad, Snake! It was all the work of your country and a single, deviously cunning strategist.>// Snake: You're saying it was all a setup? By who!?>// Gene: The Boss gave up her life, even if someone else willed it.>the fact Big Boss and MSF are broke despite all the supposed funds Gene gives him.Because making a PMC from scratch is supposed to be cheap?
>>720536802To be fair Sahelanthropus may as well be a giant action figure. It doesn't work and needs Mantis' telekinesis to do anything at all. The wormholes you can write away as a noncanon gameplay convenience but the idroid is definitely too advanced
>>720560149>Because making a PMC from scratch is supposed to be cheap?By the start of PW they're a couple of thugs in a shitty beach house, that can't be enough to have depleted the funds
>>720560149>Because the Raxa and IBMG are not true Metal Gear.It doesn't matter. Even the choice of name revolves around Huey and his direct use of Granin's research. >ColdmanI'm not sure what your post is trying to prove. PO has Ocelot kill the DCI, with it very heavily implied to be the same one he was working for during Snake Eater. I don't think this one matters all that much and you can probably handwave it but you can handwave anything.>Because making a PMC from scratch is supposed to be cheap?No, but surely Gene's "equipment, personnel, and funds" he "amassed" would include more than a handful of guys, some cigars, and Big Boss's motorcycle? The whole inciting factor of PW is that MSF is fucking broke. They don't even have a helicopter.A lot of this stuff you can paper over if you desperately want to. Maybe Big Boss was just too embarrassed about how shitty Portable Ops is himself to want to mention what happened to Huey, and maybe Gene was just exaggerating and only had a few K-mart gift cards. Kojima isn't afraid to retcon things, but the way all of this shit was handled (or not handled) makes me think Kojima just didn't care. PO is very obviously the odd one out.
>>720539240>Sokolov is either MIA or still deadReplaying MGS3 made me feel for the guy. While he's depicted as pathetic and weak he's just a regular civilian in a world of anime characters, take that into account and he's just a normal guy that wanted to build space rockets and be with his family, grown so disillusioned that he resigned himself to death at Groznyj Grad just so he wouldn't be made to work on weapons anymore. He deserved better
>>720539429Cocoon was a neat fight, desu. I'm surprised Metal Gear hasn't made more mobile fortress fights
>>720540367>tfw no Para-Medic (Naked) entry
>>720541302>People get mad it wasnt "completed"Why is MGSV being unfinished such a contentious statement? We know it is
>>720536802>went from overdesigned piece of shit to streamlined simpler designthis actually happens THOUGH
>>720543983>>720543864Why didn't Huey incorporate a tiny AI pod like ZEKE's? Is he stupid?
>>720536802I say something that works, is more compact and cheaper to mass product is better than 1 shitty prototype that doesnt work
>>720540367>>720562474>tfw no Andalusian Horse (Naked) entry
>>720562913F91 is a manlet because the weapons surpassed armour in universe so mobility became the highest priority
>>720548026wormholes were not explained in mgs3 you absolute tardo.
The most unbelievable thing in TPP isn't Sahelanthropus, it's Strangelove and Huey getting together at all. She's the most obviously lesbian woman ever
>>720561947Do people not like him? He's like a less wacky Otacon, dude's a cool guy. What little there is of Zero's relationship with him is pretty touching too before and after his death. Kojima should've made it so that Zero made The Patriots in remembrance of Sokolov and it would made more sense than whatever he cooked up for MGS4.
>>720533840I actually watched 3 hour video explaining why MGSV is actually the best video game writing ever because some lore autist anon here recommended it.It was fucking hilarious, apparently Big Boss is Chico and Chico is Skull Face, and Quiet is Paz, and the game is set after MGS2.
>>720563236Lesbian x Cuck lavender marriage, its the perfect crime. He just wants to be joylessly milked and you can wheel him away when he gets to pissy, shame he built his legs back up though
>>720563695Why do people have to literalize this stuff when its pretty much a given that some enemies and allies are always reflections of the main character anyways? Yes it takes place after MGS2 because it came out after MGS2 and we live in that time after, but no its not in-universe after MGS2. It acts like its a game that came after MGS2 in 2015, because it is. Why do nerds take that feeling and abstraction and insist its literal in the game?
I used to literally have dreams there was a hidden third map in MGSV. I was never so delusional in real life, id just be asleep dreaming about Snake riding a motorcycle in an eastern european urban map and think ‘ahh so the game is complete then, this is perfect’
>>720563236>why would a lesbian who wants children get with a guy who’s fertile but cant fuckGEE I WONDER
>>720564295Would you say it was a sense of phantom pain?
>>720564295I recall there was talk before release of a winter Eastern Europe map
>>720564409In retrospect it was just a reconstructed memory of MGS4 Act 3 with the nighttime motorbike chase, though only snake was driving
>>720561691>By the start of PW they're a couple of thugs in a shitty beach house, that can't be enough to have depleted the fundsWhy not? There's no specific amount given. Assuming they fought multiple wars, then they would have had to use that their funds multiple times.>It doesn't matter. Even the choice of name revolves around Huey and his direct use of Granin's research.It does matter. Raxa is not an actual Metal Gear meant for combat, and the ICBMG is nuclear missile platform.>I'm not sure what your post is trying to prove. That Coldman is the one who is said to have caused the Boss' death.>No, but surely Gene's "equipment, personnel, and funds" he "amassed" would include more than a handful of guys, some cigars, and Big Boss's motorcycle?Do you know how expensive it is to get equipment in the middle of Columbia of all places? There's basically a reddit thread here:https://www.reddit.com/r/metalgearsolid/comments/1c8u7sy/genes_legacy_the_cost_of_a_pmc_and_how_portable/That talks about how much they'd actually have to pay for a lot of their stuff.
>>720564616Its really fucking funny how all of MSF and really Diamond Dogs is paid for directly by the Patriots/Zero. Like they are truly just the Patriot’s personal army. The Soros-ness of all the MGSV side missions and troop deployments is funny too. Like most all missions are cutout-funded philanthropic war efforts and deployments to recover rare birds for national zoos
>>720564056lmao are you the autist that made the video? Sure you could say MGSV was Silent Hill 2, MGS2, Fight Club-esque story where everything was "all in the head", but you know what those stories did that MGSV didn't? They integrated that reveal into the plot, and it was relevant to the plot.Even if MGSV was 200% confirmed to be "acktually it was all a meta narrative dream", it's still a retarded excuse for a disjointed, half-baked plot.
>>720564616>redditGo back and take PO with you.
>>720533840>>720533840To be fair Sahelanthropus is a downgraded piece of shit that can't operate as unmanned vehicle, and only child can operate because cockpit is too small.On top of that in order to be moved like a Gundam it requires psycho mantis, and without him only thing it can probably do is just awkwardly walk forward a bit.ZEKE is technically advanced than later Metal Gear in the series that I agree.
>>720564952No, im not. Im saying prequels are sequels in the real-life chronology. The Star Wars PT exists only after the OT, even if it can be watched without it. It wouldnt have been written that way from scratch and if they tried to write it as if from scratch after the OT it wouldnt have worked. MGS3, V and PW are the same way
MGSV AND GROUND ZEROES ARE THE BEST GAMES IN THE SERIES I DONT CARE WHAT ANYONE ELSE SAYS I LOVE D DOG > : D
>>720566043ah yes "every installment of MGS is virtual training" theory of MGS2 and MGS4, sure it's probably true as the concept gets shoved in your face in MGS4but that doesn't change anything about MGS3, PW, V because it's not relevant to the story and the concept has already been explored in MGS2, like so what if Big Boss saga was just Big Boss VR experience?
>>720562913The big monstrosity is clearly over-designed garbage. Like how crippling is it to cut off one of the leg wings? Might as well add final fantasy chains, straps, and wraps everywhere too.
>>720533840>the original technology was OP but too expensive to mass produce and too dangerous for most people to use without killing themselveskino
>>720545236>random line about getting cheated on>later turn character into absolute weaselHarsh. I'm honestly surprised he didn't make Huey a guy who kept getting dealt a bad hand and then reveal his suicide was actually a cover for being kidnapped, leading to him living into the days where cyborg stuff was really out there and so he finally triumphs by getting working legs. Like, even Skullface for a while is a cool villain. Huey being against you is just kinda annoying? I'd have preferred something cool and an ultimate triumph for him over that, going hand-in-hand with Snake's ideology of enduring and not giving up.
>>720566570Its extremely relevant because the theme of every mainline MGS game is ‘how can you manipulate a person into being another person’ and the further themes of identity and inheritance beyond that. MGS4 has the least to say about it because it is meant as a conclusion and the defeat of the systems that try to transform us, but MGS has a main theme of how genes, memory, environment, politics, brainwashing, will, and extensive psycho-comatherapy/consenting brainwashing can or manufactured consent, can change who you are. MGSV is about you living the lie of being another person, essentially knowing it, and the reality of when you just accept it as your duty or curse, or maybe just because you like doing good or evil. MGS3 is less about cloning but more about how people are created and made into who they are by the times.
>>720568445Sorry about my wacky typos but i imagine you get the point
>>720567659Huey is cool because he’s a deranged schizo who is also right in so many ways. The most dangerous and unhinged man on the base but oddly enough the most ideologically sane amongst these absolute stone-faced schizos who created a world where they are all right to be fucking crazy
>>720566570Also MGS2 was trying to tell you that all video games and simulated experience and even fiction carry an ability to manipulate your will, and that video games do this more than anything because they make you follow orders as if they were your own
I do not consider the Big Boss MGSs or 4 to be canon.
>>720564295>Kojima gives us a cool biker jacket>But not the bike
