I liked some of stuff here but I think this direct failed at convincing the general audience to buy a switch 2year 1 of switch we had >3d zelda >splatoon 2>3d mario>mario kart 8 deluxethe Wii u selling -units certainly helped because for most people BOTW and MK8 are switch games im sure Z-A will have huge sells but the people who'll get the switch 2 version were always going to buy a switch 2 and most sales will come from switch 1 this is Nintendo's first direct, we needed zelda, 3d mario, animal crossing, smash mario kart world is the only mega hit title nintendo has revealed/ released so far
>>720569596Shuntaro Furukawa and Doug Bowser are profit-oriented presidents and dev costs are getting higher, expect to see less AAA games from them and more non-game IP expansion stuff like the movies and merch.
>>720569596Why would a movie production company care if you buy a console?
>>720569596I mean, this year will have>3d metroid>3d donkey kong>mario kart world>pokemon legends za>kirby air ridersSo it’s still pretty good>prime 4 and legends za are also on switch 1>botw and mario kart 8 were also on wii u
They will buy for mario kart regardless on how you feel of that game's quality
>>7205710317/10 that could easily be a 9/10 with more options
>>720569596the switch 2 has stock issues, they don't want to sell more of it, they barely have stock for this christmas
I'm amused by the fact that people don't seem to know that legends ZA is specifically a switch 1 game. You don't need the switch 2 to play it, it will just have an upgrade patch available.
>>720569596>this is Nintendo's first direct, we needed zelda, 3d mario, animal crossing, smashno we didn't
>>720571272Most people are aware of this fact.
The weirdest thing to me is they seem to have zero faith in Prime 4. Just like "fuck it, here."
>>720571310This. The direct was disappointing but we don't need every major nintendo title announced at once, although they could've at least said something about splatoon raiders since they announced the game a month ago and haven't said anything about the game since
>announced 1 hour Direct>20 minutes of Mario shit
>>720571494As beloved as the series is people tend to forget the IP isn't really that big of a seller, it has legacy but no really a system seller.
>>720571548This, honestly outside of the prices, I think that the biggest problem
>>720571494I have little faith in them too, which is why my expectations are kept low. None of the original Prime developers are still at Retro and Remastered was made to give replacements experience on a proper Metroid Prime title. Prime 4 will be their first Prime title built from the ground up.
>>720569596It already sold 6 million at launch, why would they be in a rush to sell more?
>>720569596Nostalgia. We have it way better nowSeptember 2017 direct was basically nothing in comparison. Xenoblade Chronicles 2 new Spotlight trailerXenoblade Chronicles 2 Release date 01-Dec-17Xenoblade Special Pro ControllerSplatoon 2 new level - Kelp Drome & Snapper CanalFire Emblem Warriors - Lyn announcedSnipperclips Plus Cut it out together 10-Nov - available as DLCMorphies Law - Winter 2017Rocket League - Holiday 2017Arena - Battle Arena MOBA - Beta version Winter 2017Skyrim - Zelda gear (Tunic, shield and sword) - November 17Doom - Winter 2017Wolfenstein II - 2018Flip Wars - free update on eShopZelda BotW Champion Amiibo - 10-NOVNBA 2k18 - 15-SEP and 17-OCTWWE 2k18Fifa 18 - 29-SEPPokken 22-SEPProject Octopath Travelers - 2018 - Demo available today!ARMS update version 3.0 - New Stage and new fighter LolapopDragon Quest Builders - Spring 2018Kirby Star Allies - Spring 2018eShop - nindie direct titlesLost SphearSonic Force - 7-NovResident Evil RevalationsLA Noire - 14-NOVSuper Mario Odyssey Spotlight
>>720570601No one brought a wii u besides hardcores so a game being on Wii u doesn't matter
>>720571979Mario oddessy sold 30 millionNo game in this direct will sell close to that
>>720571272Based on how Scarlet and Violet ran on the Switch, the Switch 2 version is a must.
>>720569596The direct was the next 6 months, not the whole lifetime of the console. Nobody expects everything at once and the consoles only been out for ~3 months.Whats actually bugging me is why did you capitalise the first letter of most of the title but then apply little to no punctuation or capitalisation to the rest of the post?
>>720572265It had 2-3 Pokemon games and Tomodachi Life
>>720571272Interested to see just how bad the Switch 1 version runs.
>>720572173That’s a dumb excuse
>>720571979>the only good game there is octopathyeah you're sort of right but it also doesn't help that the recent direct was also filled with dlc
>>720571310Not all at once, but you DO need at least one of those within the first couple years if you want serious sales
>>720572470If a game is on one console, why does it matter that it's released later on another if you only own the console it's moving to?
>>720569596Honestly i didn't even know the switch 2 was already out.Then again i stay clear of this board for the most part and only came back briefly for silksong.I genuinely have not seen a single person talk about it aside from here, and nobody i know bought one either.If it wasn't for the hordes of brainless fanboys this shit would've ended like the WiiU too.
>>720571686It's just too weird for the general audience:>believe me - there's sexy big-titty lady inside that bulky faggy armor!
>>720569596>year 1 of switch we had>>3d zelda>>splatoon 2>>3d mario>>mario kart 8 deluxeTwo Wii U ports and two Switch exclusives?Meanwhile in just 6 months of Switch 2 there's >Mario Kart World - actual new, exclusive Mario Kart>3D Donkey Kong made by Odyssey team>Kirby Air Riders>Hyrule Warriors Age of Calamity.If you want to include last gen ports (like you did with BotW), there's also>Metroid Prime 4>Pokemon Legends Z-AAnd also, let me laugh at you>Fastest selling console of all time>failed at convincing the general audience to buy a switch 2
>>720570404spoilers all the nintendo presidents about making profit.
>>720569596Smash2 when?
>>720573007Not the same as no one owned Wii U.
>>720573010Anon, please stop ruining our narrative that Iwata's Wii U "one game every 6 months" era was much better than today.
>>720569596What the direct really failed at was shoving dlc in everyone's faces not the games
>>720572265Over 5 years, while the Switch 2 isn't even 6 months in the market. You should know by now that Nintendo plays the long term game.
>>720573174Even if we go with your cope it's 4 games for Switch in 12 months vs. 4 games for Switch 2 in 6 months
Pokemon Pokopia 592k (US), 570k (JP). This will probably do big numbers
>>720572841>I live under a rock>therefore nothing ever happens unless it happens under my rock
>>720573259There were 40 games shown in the Direct including like 5 Switch 2 exclusives.
>>720573259Funny you say that because GameFreak really thought it was smart to announce Day 1 paid DLC that paylocks new Megas.
>>720573398I see this happening too. Seems like one of those games that will launch with little fanfare but will top charts. Women and children need something to occupy that Animal Crossing shaped void.
>>720571272>people don't seem to know that legends ZA is specifically a switch 1 gameyou're an absolute idiot if you get ZA on switch 1 after how badly SV didi wouldn't discard the game bricking the consoleand even if it didn't, you're an absolute fucking idiot because it's running even worse than SV given that one was just an barren environment with five pokemon moving about and the other a city with roads, props, buildings, trainers and pokemon
>>720573465I was today year's old when I found out Gallade's helment is transparent
>>720573174>doesn't count because I said so
>>720569596I certainly don’t feel a pressing need to buy one still, but I’m probably not their target demo. I do think Nintendo is being short sighted with their prices. They still have a lot of 25+ adults who will pay top dollar for their stuff but they should have more cheap options for families with small children again like when they had handhelds. This is what creates new long term fans.
>>720569596it failed to convince YOU to buy a switch 2, maybe. why are you autists so obsessed with anecdotal evidence? the switch 2 is one of the fastest selling consoles ever?
>>720573775Animal Crossing gotta be 2027 or something so they decided hey you know what, we got Pokemon. Let's do Pokemon Animal Crossing. Really shows Playstation can't win no matter what they do. What really matters is having exclusives and huge IPs. I've never even bought a Pokemon game in my entire life and I'm gonna buy it
>>720573630yeah that's what I said. Announcing dlc one month after game release and then announcing dlc before the actual game released was the real kick in the nuts.
>>720574210They can bring the price with Switch 2 Lite when that comes out
>>720569596Convinced me to sell mine and wait for a special edition oh and for actual switch2 only games not budget horrible parent daycare digital rattlers.
>>720570404>see less AAA games from themNintendo doesn't really do AAA.Zelda and Smash are pretty much their only AAA franchises.
>>720574210the only games that would make me buy the system are a 3d zelda or a new monster hunterand maybe dusk bloods if it doesn't suckbut other than that the switch 2 is a worthless system when it comes to exclusives.it could be good as a handheld for third parties but the battery is horrible
>>720569596wait, didn't you hear that paid DLC is on the way?
>>720574821AAA means "safe bet" "guaranteed seller." Nintendo got more AAA than Sony does
Still can't believe neither of these have gotten Switch 1 or 2 ports yet
>>720569596Who do they need to convince to buy a switch? It’s selling just fine, something you ignore or downplay but as is right now is fact
>>720575065wind waker is on switch online
>>720571979>xeno2>splatoon2>octopath>super mario odysseyThis is an amazing direct the fuck are you smoking
>>720575026When people talk about AAA, they refer to games with Hollywood-tier, hundred million dollar budgets.What you're describing is evergreen titles in which the budget is not directly related.
>>720571979>September 2017 directThat's not the first Switch 1 direct, and even that is miles better than yesterday's literally nothing.
>>720575194NS1 was still stuck 8 years with "ooooh boyyyy we got Skyrim!"Even in terms of first party things are way better and bigger now. Switch 1 didn't even get its own Mario Kart game>>720575368lol."uuuuh actually only GTA 6 could qualify as AAAAAAAA, everything else is indie."
>>720575554Even if more expensive, GTA6 is still AAA. Just like Assassins' Creed, Call of Duty, Resident Evil, Death Stranding, Zelda, God of War and Halo.Hope you learned something.
>>720575759Blacked posters are so annoyingWhat does this even have to do with the thread
>>720575554AAAAA game is such a retarded concept and something no one should be proud of, it only means that their game is overbudgeted as fuck, and all of this just to release Florida Man Simulator.
>>720573465ye-yes?that's how everything works, isn't it?
>>720569596I'm not feeling Switch 2 so far and that's ok.MKW fun but hardly groundbreaking.Metroid- WEird open world motorcycle, empty looking too. Maybe it will impress later.DK Bananza- MEH- not a deep game, one mechanic really. I was READY to sell this thing long before I got to the end.Cyberpunk- I am impressed with this one, but could play it on my computer or PS5 already.OVerall thje S2 graphics looks JUST like the Switch 1.And believe me I drank the KoolAid and lined up on day one to buy the Switch 2.I am actually gravitating back to Steam games on my computer, Switch 2 is not doing it for me currently.
If it was an actual Hyrule Warriors 2 I'd consider it.
>>720569596>only real exclusives were Mario kart, Donkey Kong, and that one Fromsoft game>people already lost interest in the first two>no 3D Mario, no Zelda, just a mountain of switch 1 games, paid dlcs, ports, indie shovelware, and other shit no one cares aboutI’m genuinely shocked by how badly Nintendo screwed this up
>>720569596Nintendo's big game next year will be the new mainline pokemon games. It will sell gangbusters, and they'll just coast off of that. What if you don't you care about Pokemon, Nintendo says go ahead and buy our Fire emblem nigga(er) simulator or fuck off. Looking grim
the GameCube is more high specs than any of it
>>720579286>Only Zelda and Mario should get games.>Every other IP they own should just stop being made or sold off.
>>720569596The current line up is meh but I'll eventually get one for rpgs and stuff that I feel like playing portably and Smash (if they make a new one) anyway, and I got rid of my Switch 1 a while ago so I am can catch up with some stuff. So I personally don't care too much.
>>720579286>ignores Kirby Air Riders>ignores the Switch 2 exclusive Forgotten Land DLC>ignores the Switch 2 exclusive SMB World DLC>ignores the new Yoshi>ignores the new Mario Tennis with Adventure Mode>ignores the new Fire Emblem>ignores the fact that the Switch 2 WILL have its own new 3D Mario and Zelda>ignores the fact that Nintendo rarely if ever announces games years before their releaseBut sure, keep complaining.
I've been a tendie for 27 years. Mario All Stars, Mario 64, and Mario Paint are my first video games and set the stage for my view on games. I've been enamored with the 64, I played the fuck out of the Wii when everyone else clowned on it for being a baby waggle console, and I even have paid consistently for Pokemon Bank and Pokemon Home subscriptions to keep my collection together as I played competitive VGC since 2011. When I need to destress I pick up Mario 64, Banjo or DK64. This direct, and by extension this console generation, is dogshit. Long since are we past the days of "we couldn't finish the game in time, let's just lauch the rest later as paid DLC" and are now baking DLC into the buisness model. You have to pay for software upgrades that should function already with your Switch 2, or inscentivise peoppe to buy/rebuy Switch 1 games; you don't do that by slapping another price tag on it!If that wasn't enough, between the game key cards and absolute hebrew Switch Online sub packages, Nintendo has proven they don't fucking care and are trying to milk the chafed tits of their customers to the bone. I want to play Bananza, I want to play ZA, and I really want to play Air Riders. I don't want to play badly enough to financially support them while they fund patents over "summoning creatures to fight" or "swapping mounts" to make sure nobody else can do it. They can eat my whole ass. I'm pirating if a S2 emu comes out, I have purchased like 25 games on the Switch and they already have plenty of my money. Fuck them. I am Obi-Wan screaming at Nintendo Anikin that they were the chosen ones, they had it all, and yet they chose to walk down this path of greed. Well just like Ubisoft, 2K, and Gearbox they get my middle finger, just with a Mario glove on it this time.
>>720573010>Iwata's salary cuts block your path
>>720569596I watched new yoshi island island trailer and it wasn't bad, but yoshi island is not normalfag game and no way normalfags will buy their children new console for one game when old one is good enough.
>>720569596I'm not getting one for awhile or ever because of how insanely expensive Nintendo is getting, and they're still using tech from 10 years ago. The game key card shit is the most anti consumer bullshit they've ever done too.
>>720580562Agreed 100%
>>720569596The Direct had a bunch of DLCs and games that weren't Switch 2 exclusives, why would it convince more people to buy them?
>>720570601>>3d donkey kongIt plays nothing like donkey kong and "donkey kong" doesn't look like actual donkey kong, he looks like grown up baby kong.
>>720573010You are wrong. This is why Iwata's death killed Nintendo (See pic rel) He was the last in a line of company leadership that had boots-on-the-ground experience as a developer.
I'd be happy if they made a bunch of performance patches. Pikmin 3 and 4 need them.
>>720580562I dunno I still ask why Square Enix decxided to not put fucking bravery default of all things onto an actual card.It's like half Nintendo and half whichever developer decided it would be a good idea to use the game key cards to save money.Knowing our luck they would just make it downloadable only or a code in a box which is basically the same thing.Even in Japan game key cards don't sell that well.
>>720571548splatoon raiders absence was odd but I guess it's because it's further out, probably Q3 next year
>>720580136I really don’t get the price gouging. I mean I understand *why* they do it, but with digital software the costs are all upfront during the initial development phase. It costs them next to nothing to rerelease some Wii roms, but yet they’re still going to charge $40 per game.Would they really lose that much extra cash if they were $10, sold vastly more copies, and actually generated some good-will and exposure from people who may not have played the original Galaxy games or just wanted to replay them? Would be a great way to market and segue people into a future Galaxy 3 or something.
>>720580562>and they're still using tech from 10 years ago.
>>720581267I can't help but think the same thing. It would ballpark net you twice as many consumers to slash the price to $20, equivilant profits, and you'd hook twice as many kids on a good game you made a decade ago. What kills me is the fact that if you are a big enough fan to actually have bought 3D Allstars then you'd already have Galaxy 1, so the physical Galaxy bundle having 1 and 2 on it means to buy physical you have no choice but to pay full price for half the value. This is a gangbang because there is no shortage of cocks to find an ass to stick them in.
>>720573010
>>720582005As much as people like to rag on Nintendo fans for gobbling up whatever they shovel out of Japan I have to think even they have a limit. It’s not hard to throw the consumer a bone once in a while to keep them loyal. This MBA spreadsheet autism they’re employing now has backfired on thousands of companies before, and Nintendo is in a time where piracy has never been more easy. Switch 2 will be a success no doubt but I wouldn’t be surprised if people just stop buying nearly as many Nintendo games outside of Smash, Zelda and Pokemon.
>>720575554Are we really reaching the point where underaged tertiary faggots are pushing fake history on the fucking Switch1?
>>720570404The merch part is so weird to me. The talking flower toy doesn't get talked about enough, that's beyond cringe.
>>720571124>Stock issuesPretty much every store has a ton of these available and they are making a whole nother bundle for it. They are more likely to have too much stock for Christmas This will likely be one of the worst Christmas seasons since the Great Recession. Most companies have noted in their earnings that the consumer is tapped out
>>720570404>movies and physical merch have a brighter future than gamesidk about that
>>720579915>the Switch 2 WILL have its own new 3D Mario and ZeldaIn 5+ years, maybe. Towards the end of S2 lifecycle.The Odyssey team was 100% on Rogen Kong this whole time. If Odyssey 2 is happening, it entered real development only recently.
>>720583667bananza dk inspired movie dk
>>720569596Honestly, I now want Kirby Air Riders and the new Fire Emblem. But I'm not buying it for Kirby alone and Fire Emblem doesn't even have a release year yet. So I'm gonna continue coasting.
>>720583009What is this MBA you speak of?>but I wouldn’t be surprised if people just stop buying nearly as many Nintendo games outside of Smash, Zelda and PokemonMy major fear is a lot of this, especially with the game key cards, how bad its going to dick 3rd party publishers. We might see another era of multiplats backing off from Nintendo after slaying the golden goose of console powered handhelds (mind you Switch came out before Steam Deck was announced). It will sell Pokemon and Smash. Hell its the parents buying games for their kids that will no doubt drive the biggest userbase. I remember my parents thinking gaming was a scam when I was a boy and that didn't stop them from buying, I wanted them that badly lol. >As much as people like to rag on Nintendo fans for gobbling up whatever they shovel out of Japan I have to think even they have a limitWas enough for me to back out, but I know there are those who are so entrenched. I have a friend who spends money on like every major Nintendo game, online +, DLC, everything. Even likes rebuying games for the current console. I don't even know where he gets the money, he's unemployed and lives with his mom.
>>720571272I know early on they were using Switch 1 footage and it looked like it was running fine. I'm still gonna wait until I see some kinda deep dive on Switch 1 performance before I get it though. I'm not getting another fucking Scarlet/Violet.
>>720583009>Switch 2 will be a success no doubt but I wouldn’t be surprised if people just stop buying nearly as many Nintendo games outside of Smash, Zelda and Pokemon.That's an industry wide thing, people are flocking to the f2p games on every ecosystem and not buying as many games anymore. Silksong probably just did insane damage to the entire industry and E33 did as well by offering good games for cheaper prices. $20 for DLC vs $20 for Silksong, $50 for E33 vs $70 for some slop game that's way worse. Consumers are getting conditioned to want more for less and the f2p games being higher quality now also factors into that. $80 for a 15 hour Nintendo game just isn't going to look lucrative in comparison.
>>720583634Eh, I don't mind those much, they're like Alarmo, just Nintendo-branded toys/collectables that won't sell that much, but will still give the company some healthy profit. I would even dare and say that the Virtual Boy accessory was underproduced because even Nintendo knows how much of a failure it originally was and knows that it's being released just as a novelty.
>>720569596I sold my switch 1 and have no intention of picking up a switch 2. The only thing I really miss is Splatoon, I wish there was a PC port.
>>720569596>year 1 of switch we had Xenoblade 2, which is the main reason I bought a Switch Meanwhile on Switch 2:>No new Xenoblade announced >No new Monolith Soft project announced, period>Not even Switch 2 performance boosts for the past Xenoblades, even though X has a secret 60 fps mode in its codeSo 0 reason for me to buy a Switch 2.
>>720575187Wind Waker I can deal with not getting its HD version since it arguably looks worse and the QoL isn't THAT big of a deal, but if they just leave TPHD to die on Wii U, that'd be unfortunate since it has one entire extra button for items, expedites the wolf transformation, looks like 10x better than the original, and runs at 60fps.
>>720571548>>720581054the game was announced without even a year attached why the fuck did people think it was coming out soon?
The switch 2 will keep selling and you will keep copingYou need to stop caring what third world phoneposters on social media have to say about things, they couldn't buy a nintendo console or game even if they wanted to
>>720583009>Nintendo fans for gobbling up whatever they shovel out of Japan I have to think even they have a limitDespite the memes, tendies do have a limit and have demonstrated their refusal to buy on multiple occasions. They refused to buy 3DS for $250, forcing Nintendo to lower it to $170 and they refused to buy Wii U for $350 forcing Nintendo to launch Switch for $300. $70 for games that get $20 DLC two months later, or for a collection of two ROMs is certainly at my limit.
>>720571494nobody played metroid prime
>>72056959680/20 rule. Their most dedicated and hardcore fanatics will not only buy the Switch 2 but do the ground work for Nintendo themselves. All Nintendo needs to do is not confuse the public like they did with the Wii U and they'll get at least PS5 numbers.That said, Nintendo can focus on making money through their toys, merchandise, movies and now theme park profits. Of course for now video game sales are their big thing, but Nintendo's Switch 2 hardware could come to a complete stop one year from today and Nintendo would barely be hurt since the people who'd have one are the ones who buy all the shit Nintendo drops at whatever price they ask. They have ridiculous amounts of money streams so "HERE'S WHAT NINTENDO NEEDS TO DO TO SELL A SWITCH 2" means almost nothing. They don't NEED to sell Switch two at Switch 1 levels all the time to survive. They can sell a nice amount and they'll be just fine since their video game division will be just a portion of their cashflow once they get established in the movie scene (which does more to help with merchandise than console video games do...especially for kids). Finally, they can use the movies to get kids interested, get the kids to want their toys, which may lead them to buying their video game hardware and lock them in to being a "Nintendo kid" that way for many generations to come. Nintendo didn't fail at anything.
>>720571494Metroid Prime fans are fairly vocal but the series isn't that hugely popular. They know it wont be a title that will convince many people to buy the console.
Nintendo directs feel like they're for investors, not gamers now.
>>720585526https://youtu.be/lOfEfcxQY6c?si=y6fUaeU5G_5LoS74
>>720585546They're for checking out upcoming PC games at best, Dr2x2 was a very pleasant surprise.
>>720569596the direct didn't do much for me even tho there are a couple of games i could get, should i buy a switch 2 just to run switch 1 games better for now?money are not a problem
>>720575187With a nonfuntioning Tingle Tuner. No thanks I'd rather plug my GC back in.
>>720582439Fairly sure that Furukawa would be forced to do this by law too if they were in deep shit like they were back then.
>>720583634Nintendo was always a merch powerhouse and Mario is a kids game. It was always like this. If anything, it's appalling that so many people remembered about that fact only after the My Mario line was revealed, especially after these same people bought plastic Nintendo figurines a decade earlier.
>>720570601metroid and pokemon are releasing on switch 1. so you can emulate those for free on pc.
>>720583437NS1 with TW3 was considered a freaking miracle and now we'll get everything. Great exclusives, basically best console ever but for third party it was garbage outside indies.
