How did you react to Jak 2's tonal shift back in the day?
Worst game ND ever made. Worse than TLOU2. DMC2 tier, if not worse.
>>720593981i was hyped, got the game on day 1 and i loved ityou have to understand, as a lad that was born in the early 90's and had a psx as his first system, that loved crash to death and thought naughty dog were the greatest developers of all time that could do no wrong because I played all the crash games and jak 1 and they were gigakino, I blindly trusted themI was a teenager at the time so the characters kind of grew up as I grew up with themit's been 20something years however, and upon further replays and inspection, it's obvious that it's edgekino and jak 2 still fucking rocks
>>720593981It was my first Jak game, and I still haven't played the original. Also didn't play GTA until 5 so I thought it was really good and hadn't played anything quite like it. That said, I recently replayed it and 3 via emulator and they didn't hold up all that well.
>>720593981I reacted by killing praxis
>>720594371Same, 1992 fag here and I was literally the pinpoint of their target audience. All the edge, raunch and toocoolforschool was the hypest shit imaginableI still like the game a lot in retrospect but the city doesn't feel quite as alive as it once did, and some of the checkpoints are irrefutably bullshit
>>720593981I was like 10 at the time and had just seen revenge of the sith so naturally I thought it was cool as hell
Didn't play it back then because it looked like slop. Tried it a few years ago and I was right.
>>720593981I liked it. Still mad as fuck that they made Kiera a cuckquean, though. My wife deserved better.
what exactly is wrong with it other than the edge?
>>720594806I'm not too mad about the checkpoints despite the mech suit underwater missions sucking my balls. I agree about the city being lifeless and just being there because "it was the style at the time".mp3.I still don't mind it becuase of the vibes and because zipping through high and low lanes with the small vehicles to speedrun your way to your objective is actually fun, but it really serves no purpose. Haven city really was no GTA. The gameplay whenever you're not driving is good. Solid platforming, great combat, great guns. It's so fun.>>720595032Yeah we don't talk about Jak 3, the story is kind of all over the place. Jak X definitely fixes Kiera.
>>720594181Not even close. Game is fun as fuck despite being CBT tier as far as platformer/adventure games go.
>>720593981Dog I was like 8 years old I thought it was awesome.
>>720595070The worst city ever in an open world game, the worst vehicles too. Adds absolutely nothing to the game but padding.
>>720593981This is one of the best PS2 exclusives of that generation
>>720593981Most people were probably children or edgy teenagers so they thought it was awesome as fuck. I can imagine anyone that thought otherwise was a contrarian manchild.
>>720593981"neat."
>>720593981I think way less people played Jak II than the first one. I could be wrong. For 8 year old me, it was the first game ever where I hyped it pre-launch, going to its Shockwave Flash website every day looking at 240p videos of gameplay snippets and dreaming about how cool a GTA Game for Kids was. It was right down my alley. My friends always wanted to play GTA III but I thought the game was fucking boring. But the archeological fantasy vibe of Jak with a bit more dark and serious mood to it, really made me imagine stuff.I played it and it was just amazing. I replayed it recently and honestly it holds the hell up. Just a really good game where you get a little invested in some of the characters.
It's a shame that 3 didn't get the same amount of development time as 1 and 2
>>720595308It's not that big of a deal really. The game is roughly 15 hours long in your first playthrough. Maybe you spend upwards to one combined total playtime going around from place to play, 1-2 minutes at a time. I don't think it takes longer than 2 minutes to go from one extreme of the city to the farthest one.And sometimes you have to race or get to waypoints quickly or recover items or blow up vehicles scattered around as part of missions which gives it purpose as a wide free roaming obstacle course.It isn't great, it doesn't serve much purpose, but the complaints are overblown. Especially when taking into account the quality on display for the rest of the game.I'd rather take the Jak city where you can just instantly restart after fucking up a race to any of the PS2 GTA which require you to manually drive back to the mission start point every single time goddamn you fail any given mission that has you driving around.
I didn't play the first game since I didn't like 3d platformers, but I liked 2 and 3. the driving segments brought me the closest I've ever been to destroying a controller though.
>>720593981it was kino
>>720593981Didn't have one because I was a kid that just mindlessly consumed entertainment
The tone shift was the least of the game's problems. The problem was the half assed level design, lack of platforming, and padding by driving across the shitty town between every mission. Just Ratchet and Clank done worse.
>>720593981This is no innovation zone!
>>720595070Not much, it's easily the best game in the series.
>>720593981I loved it then, I hate it now. Had they made Jak edgy like Jak 2 but kept the game a scrimblo bimblo collectathon I'd probably be all about it. It being a mission based GTA ripoff blows
>>720594181Retard
That mission where you're like, coming from the sewers or some shit and you need to escape the cops in the shitty docked favela fucking sucked
i liked it because i was a bit of a moralfag i wanted to play gta but not gta because gta is like a nigger crime gameJak 2 was pretty og in that regard its a cartoon platformer gta
>>720595070I didn't really like the shooting aspect of the game. Jak just sort of auto aims at enemies because manual aim is terrible. It's funny because Jak has his whole moveset from the first game which was satisfactory in its own game. I wish Jak gained more movement abilities rather than gun attachments.
I liked it
>>720593981Edgekino. I cannot believe some people prefer the shitty city and the barren desert of Jak 3 over this game.
>>720593981What did Praxis do to make that nigga that mad?
>>720593981Only good game in the series desu
Realistically, how do you do a new Jak game with the mess that 3 left the story in (if we put X and TLF in the side-adventures category)? Start anew, move on and ignore the more egregious elements, or try to rewrite it?>>720598032I dunno, I like seeing Haven's destruction in the aftermath of the war coupled with that more gentrified sector we didn't see in 2 that establishes a more pronounced class division
>>720593981I played 2 the the first one later
>>720598436Jak n Daxter 2, it's the only way>Jak 2 is Jak n daxter 2, also Jak x and the lost frontierYou know exactly what I mean, Jak n Daxter 2
Reminder that you can still play Jak X online via Xlink Kaihttps://youtu.be/xtBqMXQWzzs
>>720598032I think 3 is also okay, but I don't get people who say it's "way better than 2".For me it's Jak 2 > Jak & Daxter > Jak 3. I still really like 3, but it's too short, and feels undercooked in the story-department. Errol had potential coming back, but he just straight up isn't the same character, and he really, REALLY isn't "archetypal bad guy" potential but they confusedly turn him into the mastermind at the end.
>>720598734Jak 3 ties up all the loose ends in such a gay way that it makes me think less of Jak 2
Should I play the Jak trilogy on PS3 or PS4?
where can I get the files for opengoal
>>720598958Emuparadise(con workaroundo) CoolromsLoveroms
the only thing really edgy in 2 is the fact that you inevitably will mow down dozens of hapless street elves.
I only ever saw the first game via a PlayStation demo disc and i think at the time i never even linked that the two were connected so i didn't care when my friend got jak 2 and we played though the whole game what really gets me is people bitching about its difficulty. nigga i beat that game when i was like 11
>>720593981never played 1, so I liked it.
>>720593981Born in 93. Was disappointed it didn't follow the original story with new sages and wilderness and ruins, but got over it. I've never left behind that initial sting but I like the new world of Jak just as much and accepted it. Its just a shame we'll never see the other locations from Jak 1.
>>720598734Yeah, they really fucked up Errol's character in 3. In 2 he was a cocky antagonist rival for Jak, but he was still all for killing Metal Heads and working within the establishment. Doesn't really make sense for him to suddenly turn into a megalomaniac villain hellbent on eradicating all life. Ideally they should've brought back Gol and Maia as Dark Makers, especially since they got dumped in dark eco as well and Samos even teases them probably being alive.
>>720595520yeah thats what people thought, if we didn't they would have course corrected 3 back to scrimblo blimbo
>>720597564I think the guns were mechanically a strict improvement over the first game's eco powers, since you could chain melee attacks and guns together. Shooting's not as tight as Ratchet & Clank, but having a lock-on mechanic would've probably turned the game into a similar strafe shooter.
>>7205980323's story was dogshit. Not only that but Jak 2 story is like x2 longer than 3. Jak 3 is only enjoyable if you were for being a game completionist and decided to do every single side-minigame the game offer (which were quite a few if I don't remember wrong)
>>720601928> if you were for being a game completionist If you are a game completionist* I meant
>>720594582WITH NO SURVIVORS!
>>720593981>Woah! Cool!If you were in the appropriate age group to be playing the games as they released, you had the same reaction.
>>720593981I was in third grade. I thought it was cool. I noticed that it was a shift from the first game's tone but I didnt find it shocking or anything. Had some friends who also had it and it was fun talking about it as we played through the game. Shit like finding out you got to keep the hover board eventually or that you got a peace maker was exciting news to share. Good times.
>>720593981It was so jarring, I wasn't sure it was the same game series when I caught glimpses of it in my friends' gaming magazines. It was fun but I always missed the wilder, more colorful world of the first game. Zooming around the ghetto and vaulting around sewage stations was a downgrade in terms of setting.
>>720593981I liked it. Jak & Daxter 1 at the time felt generic because there were tons of cartoony collect-athon type games where you are the good guy fighting generic bad guys.In comparison Jak II had a more interesting plot and world about being an antihero in a dystopia and defeating the evil overlord.I also hadn't played GTA at the time so I didn't view it from the angle of being a knockoff GTA.I like both but still overall prefer it to the first game and think it is a much more unique game. Haven't really seen anything else with the same kind of futuristic dystopian world and vehicles. Cyberpunk feels more like a regular modern world with some robots and neon lights glued on everything.
>>720602401Bro nothing phased kids what did i think when i was 12uh i didn't, i didn't really care. this new game is out and im playing it, so what?
>>720593981What tonal shift? I never played the first game.
>>720604685its probably the biggest tone shift from one product to its sequel besides like alien to aliens just look at videos of both games
>>720604685first game is an extremely generic platformer for kids2nd game is a bit more edgy and has more of an identity and is a gta clone with guns and vehicles.
the "ugh what's happening to meeee" stuff I was like uh okay but with the "i'm gonna kill praxis" line I laughed
>>720594371nothing but truth in this post1991 kid here
>>720593981"cool".The anger you see for it now is performative. Nobody gave a fuck back in the day
I’m gonna fuck praxis
traversing the shit city map killed the game
>>720604685The series goes from Super Mario Sunshine to Grand Theft Auto III.
>>720601928Jak 3 hundo is comfy. 2's rapidly turns miserable.
>>720604717Rayman 2 also had a massive tone shift from Rayman 1
>>720593981The beginning of "Modern Naughty Dog" and the studio's shift to a design philosophy that focuses on player engagement through story rather than fun gameplay.
>>720605773It's neat how Rayman did successfully make that transition into more "serious" fantasy while retaining its goofy artstyle by pretty much being a reboot
>>720605901Thoughts on Rayman 3? As I understand it was kind of a reverse Jak II situation.It's the only 3d Rayman game I played and couldn't really get into the humor of it.
>>720599273>Doesn't really make sense for him to suddenly turn into a megalomaniac villain hellbent on eradicating all lifeErrol gets dunked in a dark eco bath near the end of 2, so there’s some precedent for why he goes insane. I just think they should’ve fleshed out the dark makers more and made it more clear that Errol was a deranged puppet working towards their end than as a lone wolf actor.
>>720605901Rayman 2's serious tone was dropped after 3. Rayman Origins and Legends are like Rayman 1 in tone
>>720598032The first area was cool, but then it drops off hard as you progress. I expected more. I thought 3 was going to be a different kind of game than it was. 2 was good, but they probably could have gone about it differently. 2 had a great mix even with the shoehorned in GTA elements. Jak X Racing as cool. The first one was good and more like the old platformers. The series was not as good as Ratchet and Clank, but i still enjoyed it.
Should I play the Jak trilogy on PS2, PS3 or PS4? Do the PS3 remasters have issues like the Ratchet and Clank remasters?
>>720606074Confused on what it wanted to be and tried to become much goofier at the same time as retaining Rayman 2's characters and some plot beats>>720606182I do think it works better for Origins than it does for 3, though the connection that Polokus from 2 and the Bubble Dreamer in Origins are supposed to be the same character isn't immediately clear since it's a full redesign
>>720606710Each Rayman game may as well be set in different universes due to how inconsistent the lore and continuity is
I thought it was the coolest shit. I was also 6 at the time.
>>720593981It was my first Jak game and I loved it. I made Jak fall many times just because I thought his voice was funny.
>>720593981Hated it then, still hate it now
>>720607764what you thought was cool as a kid is still cool now, they lied to you.if they made jak4 right now every jak1 super fan would find excuses on why it's bad when the simple fact is scrimblo brimblo is fine but not exciting.its like how crash 4 is a perfectly fine platformer but we need to call it absoulute dogshit for some minor things so we don't need to go down the path that maybe devs were right to stop making these games
>>720608189and i mean of course if jak 4 played like 1 in this hypothetical
>>720597782>>720595753It took me a long time to realize this character bigly influenced my tendency towards skimpy dressed tatooed women with father issues.
>>720598436There are lots of things you can do with Jak still, the only thing 3's ending ruined is anything related to the Precursors mystery since that got solved.>Retvrn to eco related plots (without doing it as awfully as TLF). You can do another evil eco sage, eco bad guy that uses eco + technology, an industrialist that wants to control eco >What if Jak 1.5 where Metal Heads never showed up>Time travel slop>Mar focused game where Jak travels the world to find out more about his ancestry, that leads him into meeting new people, causing problem, getting new powers etc>Ancient civilisation trope of super eco users>Comfy adventure kino game where Jak just travels the world and gets in antics with his bro>Naturist game where Jak is defending something culturally important from big bad industrialists>Another industrial game like Jak 2 but set in a different city, can even have the Jak X ending be a side story or tie into the main thing.>Make up bullshit of there being another splinter group of Precursors like Dark Makers coming out of nowhere>Robot uprising game>Aliens (again)>Metal head revengeJak's world is incredibly underexplored, not saying any of my ideas are good but there's plenty of things the series never explored and touched on
