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Do you have a gaming basement, /v/?
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>the chairs facing the wall
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yes i want to watch blue filter piss the show whilst getting drunk
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No.
I have a gaming 'under-the-stairs' setup
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>>720626318
>I'm just gonna take a seat on the bench.
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>>720626318
Wife made it into a guest room, so I made a new mancave
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>>720626391
kek
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>>720626318
why are those chairs facing the wall?
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>>720626803
It's where the men are placed and they are only allowed to speak when adressed.
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>>720626691
>logitech boxes displayed on wall
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>>720626318
what a downgrade
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>>720626691
Sorry honey, but she needs more room to store shoes.
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>>720626953
That's so he can return them when they break
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>>720626803
The men sit there while the women at the table discuss their latest cuckold session
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why is it always people who say "the wife"
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>>720626318
that room is probably collecting dust now after the wife got bored, why would you do this when you could just go to a pub
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>>720626318
i don't believe this
that pub does not look like what a woman what do
can you imagine her down there drinking Heineken and watching sports with her gals, trying to hit bullseye with a dart while being completely drunk?
X FOR DOUBT
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Escape the house and build a shed.
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>>720626691
more like man alcove
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>>720627132
>literal cuckshed while the wife's son takes his room
Lmao
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>>720626318
no basement but I have a gaming garage
got a fuckhuge plasma screen from a thrift store for $150 and hooked up a couple consoles and a retropi to it
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>>720626318
No, I have a home office that's equipped for vidya as well as work. Mancaves are the most normalized cucking tools there are. My wife laughs in the faces of bitches who force their man to have one.
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>>720626691
Ah, the goon cupboard.
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>>720626318
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>>720627776
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>>720627776
every time
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>>720627132
Why is it always a Playstation?
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>>720627776
nice
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>>720627950
Xbox players are dudebros and Nintendo players still live with their parents.
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>>720628025
What show?
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>>720627132
I honestly don’t think this is so bad, but if I was banished to the cuckshed I’d at least turn it into a small home of sorts
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>>720627776
kek
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>>720626318
I wish I had a barbell bench and one of those bikes.
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>>720628025
>Guy slaves 12-hour a day to provide for the family
>Gets home and wants to unwind with video games
>Bitch wife nags at him for it
No wonder incelism is on the rise.
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>>720628342
found a brown person
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>Own a fucking house
>Can't even get one room for a
somekind of hobby activity.
Fucking vipers
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>>720628342
It really is like that. You have to put on a little show when you get home so everyone feels seen and validated. For in depth discussions, yoyu book a dinner out a few times per month, and pitch it as couples' time but allow any chat about practicalities anyway. That's all that you have to do. If you can't muster that, then something really is wrong. Goes for women, too.
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>>720628554
>piling shit on top of the scanner
trademark woman move
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>>720628509
Found a big nose.
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>>720628025
>>720628342
Women love to believe that they are not hard work, that dealing with them should be enjoyable and fun and relaxing.
Nothing could be further from the truth. They are hard work to maintain.
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>>720628172
>t.cuck
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>>720628961
>Women love to believe that they are not hard work, that dealing with them should be enjoyable and fun and relaxing.
Fuck no women don't believe that. They know how much of a pain in the ass they are. They just believe they're worth it. Hence the "If you can't handle me at my worst, you don't deserve me at my best!" bullshit.
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>>720626318
>men VS women playing The Sims
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>>720627132
Thats actually cool as shit.
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>>720626318
The orange wall and removing the carpet are good changes but the fake brick wall is awful. Furniture placement is awful also idk why people say interior design is feminine since women are fucking awful at it.
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>>720628873
When I lived with women who weren't my wife, you had to move 2 things to access 1 thing and put the 2 things back after.


Got sick of it when I had to constantly move their USELESS FUCKING CONSUMER W O R T H L E S S TRASH out of the way of things that SHOULD BE ACCESSED EVERY DAY. I ended up just shoving the shit over and leaving it there.

Eventually it did bring the message across.
>>720629487

Nailed it.
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>>720627132
I miss carpet floors.
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>>720629487
Your mistake is in thinking the furniture is there to be used.

Men approach design from a utility and maintenance perspective. Women approach purely from aesthetics. This is why, for example, a man will never have 20 pillows on his bed. He just thinks "I only need one pillow. Am I really going to move all of those every single night?" whereas a woman cares only for the aesthetics of having all those pillows piled up and will put up with the increased maintenance of it.

So whether you think women are good or not at interior design depends on whether you're a woman or not.
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>>720627776
Keky
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>>720629904

Women are also notorious for Executive Dysfunction, so men are stuck with their piles of shit everywhere and are usually the ones who have to move them.
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>>720627132
Perfect for fucking prostitutes while your wife takes care of the kids and makes dinner in the kitchen
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>>720627132
>>720630182

I'd say you need a bed in there, but the wife will get sus.
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>>720626318
>hear me out honey, what if...
>what if...?
>what if we took your only personal space in the house and made it an empty, meaningless social space for me, my friends and extended family to use maybe 4 times a year?
>Sure, you know the best, darling!
After the "renovation"
>Haha! I'm so proud of this, won't you post it online and make them jealous of me? also make sure you give me all the credit and tell them how I fixed your shitty mancave

I hope their relationship is authentic, that's all I can say, because this does not feel like something a loving wife would do
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>>720626365
>>720626803
I'll give the benefit of the doubt and assume that they're just spares.
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No-one in my country has a basement but Im considering building a massive loft room in the roof space in the future. We managed to get a nice 4x2 so we both have an office and the nursery is big enough to be our kids room once she's older. Mines full of vintage toys which my partner doesn't give a shit about. Luckily I partnered with someone who doesn't feel the need to homogenise interests/lifestyle so Im free to be a nerd.
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>>720629867
>When I lived with women who weren't my wife, you had to move 2 things to access 1 thing and put the 2 things back after.
THIS
FUCKING THIS
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>>720628342
>noooo why am I not allowed to alienate myself from my loved ones and live in complete egocentrism
I mean, you can, but don't act like a victim at the results, retard
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>>720630292
no need, the carpet looks thick
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I'm.40 years old and never got married.
Being legally tied to someone who will make your life miserable is not my style.
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>>720631740
The trick is having a wife that loves you bro
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I have made many many retarded decisions in my life. But getting married and having children is not one of them.
I feel giddy just thinking how free I am.
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>>720628342
Currently going through this with my soon to be ex, when I come home I have aprox 1 hour to actually do something like watch a show or play vidya before I have to go to bed. Already do "fun" stuff with her on the weekends. Fucking women, energy vampires
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>>720628342
>Incels bitch about women only caring for money
>find a woman that doesn't only care about money but wants to spend time with you
>Incels bitch about woman not caring enough about money
retardation is on the rise alright
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>>720628786
>expecting /v/aggots to have above 79IQ
jej
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>>720631768
Ironic post given how /v/ is always very vocal about how women are evil creatures unable to feel love.

People married due to social pressure; now people can simple say "wait a moment; I don't need to eat shit, like, at all" and save themselves from being tied to a hateful enemy. At least that was how it went for me.
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>>720626318
cool pub, how many customers does it see per day
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>>720626318
>always trust your pinterest/instagram influenced wife
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>>720627062
probably one of her friends husband did something similar and she took it upon herself to get "inspired".
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>>720627132
Just like living with your parents except you pay for the house.
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>>720631924
So you're telling me being single is actually good?
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>>720626318
outside of masturbation/sex, is there anything women improve?
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>>720628786
>Goes for women, too.
you and i both know damn well it doesn't for 90% of them
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>>720632057
i can see what you mean anon but spending time usually involves spending money
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>>720628342
Yeah man. If you have a relationship, let alone a family, you need to give them some engagement.

And yeah, it fucking sucks. It sucks that once you finish your work day, you have to not do something you'd enjoy doing to be a partner, husband or dad (ESPECIALLY being a Dad.) But what's what you signed up for. This is part of it.

Even with the lowest possible stakes, where it's just you and your partner living together with no real legal commitment besides MAYBE sharing a lease: you still owe it to your partner to try to spend some time with them. Even if it's not much, you still need to put some effort into the relationship - you can't maintain it if your routine is "work, video games, sleep."

But you said family. And that implies kids. And you know what - your kids fucking deserve a father in their life. Sorry that your job is hard, but you're the one who created a new human being and you're responsible for that human being's development. In the meanest way possible: you made them exist, so they are your problem. So yeah, it's going to suck that you're going to have to skip playing Silk Song tonight or what have you - but your kid needs their dad more than you need to beat bug souls II.
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>>720632674
You can spend time with people without spending money.
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>>720626691
who the fuck invited Harry Potter?
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>>720627776
got a dry chuckle out of me
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>>720628554
Based ngl, but this tranime slop consumer does not deserve a gf
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>>720626318
Basements are extremely rare here
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>>720632970
>>720626391
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My dad worked all the time and used his free time to drink and play billiards with his friends so he never spent time with me.
On the other hand instead of a Chad, manly son he had me so I can't blame him.
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>>720632884
Having a kid has made me appreciate my free time and gaming time immensely.
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>>720627776
Thanks for the chukle.
Honestly the brick wall staring stools are my favourite part of this redesign.
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>>720633124
I want you to consider something, Anon.
The reason you are like that is because your father spent time drinking and losing money at the pool table.

If your father had been in your life, you would have been a better version of yourself.
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>>720629487
Hard disagree on the carpet. They are more effort to maintain, but they are comfy. I also like the brick wall or rather I am neutral about it.
The furniture is absolute garbage however.
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>>720631924
If you value your relationship communicate your troubles now. Shit won't fix itself if you are not both on the same level.
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>>720633340
You would have a point but I've always been a little coward, worthless shit, even when I was a little child.
If dad had spent time with me I would be the same worthless fuck but with drinking problems and a billiards addiction instead of a videogame one.
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>>720633562
Not really, if your dad keeps positively reinforcing your bravery as a child, and ignores the times you fail as to not reinforce them even trough negative reinforcement, you might have been more of a brave kid later on in life. You might not have become some grand general that is charging the frontlines with your guts spewing out, but positive reinforcement of a father figure can do a lot.
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>Trusting your wife with decorating your own space
No. I pay the mortgage. She has a Period Dungeon that I banish her to when she gets on my nerves.
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>>720628554
this guy literally died the year after by the way
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>>720633742
lol

thinking just because you pay for the house that means it's yours

rofl

courts will snatch that home right out from under you and give it to her without a second thought

lmao

she's just allowing you to stay in what will soon be her house
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>>720633667
Again, why would you pay attention to your kid when he's an idiot?

Sometimes parental abandonment is justified.
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>>720633851
>What is a prenuptial agreement
Are you one of these niggas who has never even seen a pussy or have you been sleeping under a rock since 1995?

My money.
My house.
My rules.
My world.
She's just living in it.
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>>720626365
All and all I'm just a chair facing a wall.
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>>720633851
If you trust your mom/dad then put the house in their name, devs haven't patched that method yet.
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>>720626318
She ruined it.
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>>720628025
This reminds me of Rose bitching that Raiden didn't have Funko Pops and anime posters in his room.
>>720632884
If the man comes home and the woman's ass and titties are hanging out she'll get plenty of engagement. Not his problem she doesn't want to meet him halfway.
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>>720634495
You have to do that first. It'll never be your home.

If you try to do it when the wife decides she wants a divorce then because it's property subject to a settlement dispute you can't do anything with it anymore.

And this is assuming your parents are still alive.
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>>720632884
If the dude is working 12 hour days I am going to have to say the woman can take them to the park during the day and leave it to the dad to take them out on the weekend. Nowadays they pretty much try to get the man to do everything.
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>>720633562
You're a normal person, you're just holding yourself up to a higher standard because you have the ability to think and aspire. Many people don't even consider their faults and never change, while other thinks too much and never change either. Just enjoy your life and worry about what is within your ability to change
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>>720632884
If the dude works 12 hours and we assume he sleeps at least 6 hours every night then he has a whopping 6 hours of free time. Hopefully the woman has seen to it that the chores are done and food is ready to eat when he gets home otherwise that is another hour gone.
They could easily chat and engage for 1-2 hours and then let the poor man have some gaming. Then when the weekend comes they can do more family activities.
Or are men simply not supposed to have anything to do for themselves? Machines entirely dedicated to someone that isn't themselves?
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>>720634962
You forgot commute time, shower time, etc. Working 12 hours a day you probably have 3 hours or less if you sleep 6 hours, which isn't enough for most people, and have 1 hour if you sleep 8 hours. Whoever wrote that movie is either retarded or wanted to make that woman look retarded.
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>>720633963
>Again, why would you pay attention to your kid when he's an idiot?
NTA but again, when your child needs guidance and support, you provide it.
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You can't have basements in Florida.

>living in Florida
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>>720628342
>>720628025
Just wait until you experience weekends after moving in together. No gaming for more than 20 minutes before she feels attention deprived and either starts finding random bullshit for you to do or just suddenly starts being 40db louder at rest. I can always tell when she wants attention because she'll go from just quietly reading or being on her phone to doing really loud fake laughs at random pinterest reels or by sneezing. But she doesn't sneeze "Ha-chu" like a normal person, she'll go "Ha-chuuuu-mimi-miimimimimi-chuuu" loud enough for everyone in the house to hear.
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>>720628873
Just leaving shit in random corners in general. Women will accuse men of being slobs and then build a fucking nest of once-worn socks behind their bed, piles of clothes on the couch and use put spoons dirty-side-down right on the tablerunner after taking a single bite of yoghurt.
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>>720626391
NICE!
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>>720634513
>If the man comes home and the woman's ass and titties are hanging out she'll get plenty of engagement.
>He thinks your libido will stay unchanged throughout life and you'll always just want to fuck 24/7
lmao
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>>720627132
>she took the bedroom
>(we) is sorely present in "had a baby"

is this guy a LITERAL cuckold to the ultimate realization of the concept or is he just such a retarded manchild he can't even view himself as the father to his own kids and sees turning a space in his home into a nursery as nothing more than "she took the game room"
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>>720633340
>If your father had been in your life, you would have been a better version of yourself.
Citation fucking needed.

>inb4 it's common sense!!
No. Show me proof.
My dad "spent" a lot of time arguing and shouting at me over things I didn't even do or had anything to do with. Claiming that me being born was the cause of the family divorce and so on. After I matured, I understood that I was simply the outlet for his anger, and we now have a healthy relationship, but the damage is already done at that point. Who knows how I would have turned out if that didn't happen.

I fucking wish he went anywhere else when he was drinking.
So no, my naive friend in anonymity, simply having the father in your life is not a guarantee that you'd turn out better.
It also needs the father to be a responsible and sensible human being.
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>>720628961
it is possible to meet someone who you enjoy being with all the time
but you have to be gay lmao
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>>720635884
>we now have a healthy relationship,
I would have never forgiven him. "Offer the other cheek" is such a fucked up mindset.
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>>720635285
Only if the child deserves it. Otherwise having fun on your own or with your bros is a preferable choice over spending time with the little waste if flesh.
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>>720636497
It's what I developed out of necessity due to all the verbal abuse.
I try to be braver in all aspects of life and I'm definitely better at it now after many many years, but it's a difficult step whenever I attempt it.
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>>720626318
i have a dedicated VRroom that can easily be changed to sex dungeon for when I have swingers over(i am the bull)
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>>720628786
>Just pretend you love your wife when you don't

Wow great advice retard
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>>720628103
It's Don Jon and it's a movie
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>>720634007
HEY
WIFEY
LEAVE MY DEN ALONE
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>>720633975
>>What is a prenuptial agreement
something that isn't legally binding because the woman can just say "i signed it under duress" and the judge will throw it out every time
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>>720626318
Went over to my brother in laws house, he used to have his ps5 set up on their giant tv in the living room but last time he was there he had this little corner and little cheap tv in the kitchen with a wood kitchen chair in front of it, back smushed into the table, hardly even and room for his legs, he was huddled into it playing when I left lmao
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>>720626318
>deletes mancave
That fucking whor-

>but gain bar
This is just confusing. I kinda want this.
Talk about mixed messages.

>no bar with gaming shit and gym
Missed opportunity.
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>>720628025
>plays games
>has gf
This doesn't exist.

Only anime watchers have gfs.
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>>720637061
>doesn't want him to play video games
>wants him to socialize with real people which builds a support network
Not complicated
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>>720633158
lol
I know many like this.
>Nothing but regrets.
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>>720635339
Kek, based
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>>720636656
So you just knelt to your abuser?
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>>720637169
>wants him to socialize with real people
>but not through games
This is stupid. They have things like darts there in the pic. That's a game.

I honestly do not get why gamer bars aren't more of a thing.
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>>720637061
man
>nice thing for himself and family/close friends
talking rib
>LOOK AT ME HAVING USELESS THING LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME
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>>720637268
VIDEO GAMES
A lot of women are just allergic to them.
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>>720637252
Reestablishing contact is kneeling?
You have an interesting view of the world.
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>>720635791
Fine granpda, if the man comes home and she has the Welchers and plum juice hanging out, she'll get plenty of engagement.
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>>720635884
My uncle used to neglect his child and never was around.
He became a faggot.
Then again, my other uncle nurtured his son's faggotry.
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>>720637268
>>720637307
Plus the whole point was to socialize in real life, with real people, to actually be able to build real a social/friendship/support network.
Let's be honest, that hardly happens with games, especially not today.
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IF my father was a better man and HAD corrected and GUIDED my mistakes growing up, I would've turned out well. Instead I have to learn from my own mistakes without reference or wisdom, only cringey thoughts.
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>>720637307
>A lot of women are just allergic to them.
After a certain age because they socially ostracise girls that game and consider it a gross thing. If you actually isolate them from other girls or they hang out with sporty types or tomboys, they game hard.

Seeing a sister go from hard gamer, then overseas, then back and hard anti-gamer was an eye opener. Girls are fucking retarded in groups.
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>>720628342
What are the upsides of being married and having kids in 2025?
>have to deal with someone else's wants and needs
>lose your freedom
>have to care for a dumbass suicidal parasite for 18 years
>while still having a full time job
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>>720637061
every white person thinks they need a bar in their basement with exposed brick, but who the fuck are you actually going to entertain down there????
I'm not going over to your stupid basement bar. If I want to go out for drinks with friends, we'll go to a real pub and get some dinner their too. What, you think I want to eat your wife's terrible cooking?
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>>720637398
Women use social networks to be whores, real life and online, it isn’t some innocent thing in your best interest, if she cared about your culture and community and a strong support network she’d be happy with you being a nazi.
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>>720637329
Sincerely? Yes it is.
You're telling him (and telling yourself) that he was in the right when he abused you.
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>>720637398
I literally used to go see friends to play games with them. The fuck are you on about? People meet people through games nowadays.
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>>720637516
Enjoy spending $400
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>>720637398
Bullshit, I was able to make and meet my 2nd friend group online. We even hung out in Japan together.
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>>720637516
Home bars used to be a staple of entertaining guests, especially in American homes. A lot of American homes are built around entertaining guests. For example, porches in the Southern US were made for this explicit purpose.
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>>720637307
>VIDEO GAMES
>they're not the same as table top or sports games! it's completely different!

Delusion.
You even have esports nowadays.
I used to go to snooker lounges and shit like that to find friends to game with.
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>>720637598
Yep, lower quality knockoffs tend to be cheaper, don't they
It's because they're undesirable and no one wants them
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>>720637532
>You're telling him (and telling yourself) that he was in the right when he abused you.
Again, what a fucked up way to see the world.
I wanted to give him a second chance, to see if he changed at all, and so far, he did.
But I see you've already made your mind up about this, and I'm not here to change your opinion on these things so I'll leave this topic as is.
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>>720637647
>That fuzzy ass carpet
>Stepping on it with your shoes

Do white people really?
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>>720628342
if you translate what the bitch is saying from woman to human it means "rape me immediately"
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>>720637598
Yeah that kinda puts me off too nowadays. Only rich people go to bars. That's why they're all wine bars now.

>Government literally criminalised making beer cheap to prevent lower income earners from socialising and organising at bars
Australia is hell.
Then again, they just steal beer from stores and houses and drink in the streets instead now. Or do meth. It's cheaper.
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>>720637307
I think the reason a lot of women are apprehensive about video games is because the stereotype of the lazy NEET who neglects everything around them to play games still exists. There’s a stigma attached to it, which makes it a red flag for a lot of women.

The genderswapped version of this is how men see women who are obsessed with TikTok and Instagram as a red flag. Both concerns are natural, since people who get addicted to these hobbies tend to be shitty people, but the stereotype also hurts people who engage with these things in a healthy way.


There’s also a social stigma thing surrounding it. A lot of women are worried people will look down on them for having a gamer bf/husband, and a lot of men will worry people will look down on them for having a gf/wife who’s a social media junkie.
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>>720626318
She is then going to blame him for getting out of shape
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>>720637791
Fuzzy carpet is so gross.
I miss it. I love those gross 70s townhouses kek. Way more soul than today's bland ikea shit.
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>>720637846
>The genderswapped version of this is how men see women who are obsessed with TikTok and Instagram as a red flag.
I see it is as dumb and boring, not a red flag.
She's gonna come to stupid conclusions no matter her source of distraction, she's a woman.
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*tink tink tink*
i HATE women
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>>720637798
>Government literally criminalised making beer cheap
Huh, the fuck did they do?
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>>720637794
That's what you think until you realize what she really means is she wants you to listen to her nonsense, have you clean the house and cook dinner, have you do shit like paperwork and other things, and then she can just fuk around.
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I live alone in a two story home. Innawoods and I have no friends, family or interest in romantic or sexual relations with anyone. Every inch of my house is dedicated to gaming, or not. It really doesn't matter because the only person here is me.
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>>720637791
No, only Americans wear their shoes indoors. Also Americans are not white.
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>>720637716
Probably a thirdie who sees everything in a black and white; "Win or lose" situation. They are incapable of understanding nuance.
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>>720637169
Men don't have support networks you retard
Neither do woman really, they have frenemies and dudes who want to fuck them
The only 'support network' you have is family.
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>>720633158
>>720637187
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
YOU MUST SAVE THE WHITE BY PROCREATING SO YOUR SON DIES FOR ISRAEL
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>>720626318
I just know they sit there wearing hipster shit drinking fruity IPAs that taste like piss
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>>720638279
Not for most of human existence.
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>>720627132
This is weird because I have a three bedroom that was our bedroom, my office, and her office. So when the baby was born he got my room since it was upstairs with our bedroom and I just moved into my wife's office. What does she need it for now that she has a baby to raise?
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>>720638279
Men and women usually both have at least one good friend who sticks with them through thick and thin, and 9 times out of 10, that friend is usually a childhood friend.

I do feel kind of bad for women in the sense that alot of their friends in particular have ulterior motives. Imagine not knowing if a friend really has your back or if they just want to either fuck you or backstab you later on. There’s usually less drama in make friend groups, unless ironically enough, you get two guys fighting over a girl.
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>>720638141
>I live alone in a two story home. Innawoods and I have no friends, family or interest in romantic or sexual relations with anyone
Do you have a VR room?
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>>720638014
Yeah, that confuses me as well. All you really need is a bucket. Hell, it's even easier to make hooch. Just a bottle juice, some sugar and yeast, throw in a dark closet for a month and you got yourself something to drink. Alcohol is literally the easiest thing in the world to make. I don't understand how you could make it illegal, like; physically... how would you prevent someone from making it when the ingredients and tools needed are literally everywhere?
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>>720626318
perfect representation of men's and women's approach to decorating. his version of the room was utilitarian, where everything gets used and there is little concern for aesthetic. her version of the room is almost primarily concerned with the "vibe" and how the aesthetically pleasing it will appear to others, but will barely ever get used for even half of its potential.
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>>720638657
Yeah, I have a few empty rooms.
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>>720633789
Reminds me of the famous guy who never once bathed or showered in his entire life but someone gave him a bath when he was 80 and he died a week later
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>>720626318
imagine getting married and falling for the love meme instead of just busting a nut and go take a nap
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>>720626691
KEKCAVE AAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
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>>720638263
Parents exist to protect and guide their children, with severity if needed. Instead that anon's father was a miserable piece of garbage who used his own child as an outlet to vent his fury or for his own sadistic pleasure.

Why should someone like that be entitled to a "healthy relationship" with that person he used as toilet paper? People should pay the consequences of their mistakes.
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>>720626953
you don't do that?
I got the packaging our toilet paper comes in always displayed above the shitter.
The KFC bags hang proudly above the kitchen table and the placenta is majestically ornating the crib.
Get your shit together and show off your stuff too you sad dweeb.
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>>720638063
You are being a total fucking retard. You're a man and when you're unhappy with your partner you'll think that the reason is because you don't get any practical help from her, and then you'll project that onto your partner. But we've already well beyond establishing that women are fucking useless. You want to nut in a cunt and if you get that you're willing to fly to the fucking moon purely on your own effort. No you're not going to rely on women for this, fuck you, you know you can't and even if you could you would rather kill yourself.
The bitch is upset that the man isn't deriving his pleasure and unwinding and motivation from her, but because she's useless, she will not take this problem as her own responsibility. You have to be man enough to force her. Why is it simultaneously a problem, but only for her, that the guy is depressed but does exactly what he wants? Why is it a problem that he must fix for her, despite the problem being with him, despite him doing what he wants to do? Where the FUCK did you get the idea that him doing the FUCKING DISHES would fix his problem for her?
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>>720628342
Yeah, you're supposed to have sex with your woman, why else would you even want to wife her?
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>>720638670
They tried it during Prohibition. It didn’t turn out well. The truth is that booze is one of the few things keeping the working classes sedated and preventing a revolt. Governments know this, so they keep drinks regularly available, but encourage bars to become more middle and upper class to prevent the commoners from gathering and colluding.

>>720638709
I feel a middle ground is best. I go for pragmatism and utilitarianism, but if there’s an opportunity to spruce it up a bit, I’m down for that if there’s cash to spare.
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>>720628342
>all the roastoids and simps responding in defense of w*men
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I wonder if anyone who makes home bars/pubs use them more than maybe twice a year? I bet that basement gets far less use now than it did previously.
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>>720627132
>giant A/C unit
>building clearly made out of cheap materials
>18cm off the ground for some reason
>bleach-green grass surrounding it
>cheap wooden fence surrounding the small yard, surrounded by other properties
The only thing it's missing is giant American flags everywhere
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r8
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>>720631768
Do they even exist?
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My dad has a 28" CRT, Wii, and N64 downstairs. My CRT and consoles are upstairs.
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>>720632196
It's usually smart people who think like this, which means the only children available will be descendants of idiots.
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>>720626318
I just noticed the chair near the table and the ones facing the wall are connected together, so you can't move them without moving them all, like in some fucking corporate lobby lmao
lmao
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>>720628342
>muh providing
you really don't need to work 12 hours to "provide". it's escapism can't you see it's not health?
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>>720627132
I wish I had my own cuckshed.
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>>720639073
>The only thing it's missing is giant American flags everywhere
anon, did you not notice the popculture shit all over the walls?
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>>720639148
shill why do you put wuthering waves even in random unrelated filenames?
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>>720633562
>I've always been a little coward, worthless shit
holy internalized self hatred. i'm sorry you went through that but i hope he is gone from your life now so you don't have to hurt yourself any further
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Ryan Gosling posters should be forced to lurk these threads so they finally understand they aren't missing anything.
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>>720632884
This is why I'm going to abandon my girlfriend if I get her pregnant.
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>>720628554
My ex moved back into my apartment, and with in days everything was put away all over the house.
Except the bathroom, where every single surface was suddenly covered with some sort of product.
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>>720639526
I forgot to remove it, sheesh...
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>>720626691
Imagine if a cockroach appeared in this room, between you and the exit
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>>720628342
>a wife wanting to spend time with the man she loves is actually a terrible thing
incelism is on the rise and it weirdly correlates with a drop in average intelligence
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>>720630502
They got too excited to post the picture before the counter was built
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Bros, I sincerely can't understand why I should get into a relationship, have a family, and such. Like why? I just can't wrap my head around it.
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>>720635884
>and we now have a healthy relationship
cope. do the right thing anon and don't deny yourself
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>>720627776
Top kek
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>>720637169
In their basement? You stupid fuck. That only works if you already have a group of friends that you can invite over to your basement pub.
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>>720632551
For about 2 weeks until you start to get lonely again.
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>>720632674
Handholding, long walks, cuddling, talking, sex - all free!
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>>720636650
You're supposed to make that waste of flesh not a waste of flesh.
Who do you think will teach your kid how to be a man? Your woman? Hah!
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>>720633789
>this guy literally died the year after
what's the story?
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>>720639728
It gets lonely being alone, and it’s nice to have children to look after you when you’re old.

Your parents are going to die eventually, so having a family is how you maintain a support network after that. Plus it’s nice to have people who love you almost unconditionally.
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>>720639728
It's support system, a family can help you in old age. It's also a communal duty that contributes to the health and wellbeing of society. One of the best ways to shape a society is through the family. Lastly, your spirtual and mental health. Interacting with those close to you can be helpful in maintaining a sound mind and body. In a side note, I do not care about any of this personally, it's pointless and not actually required for life. I'm parroting what I have been told about the importance of family amd cannot relate to or confirm anything I just wrote.
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>>720639301
>smart
You mgtow types are a fountain of laughs
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>>720633562
Seesh dude, you know there’s this thing called therapy right. Oh let me guess, you don’t “believe in that crap”.
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>>720626365
They're obviously not going to stay that way when in use.
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>>720639747
And a lot of adults do have that, but eventually one way or another there is distance created between them and their friends and then they stop meeting. Creating a space like that in your home intensives you to actually get off your ass and socialize with your friends before you lose them.
Obviously though most of the people here never had friends or any resemblance of a normal life, or/and are just too young to know any of this.1
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>>720637647
>For example, porches in the Southern US were made for this explicit purpose.
No, large porches down here were made because we used to sleep on them in the scorching humid summers before AC was a thing
Entertaining space was an extra benefit
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>>720640083
NTA but therapy and psychologists are the current century's version of snake oil salesmen.
That fag simply needed to go to the army.
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>>720635883
"she" in "she took the game room" is the baby.
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>>720639728
Because being lonely is like le depressing and muh dick.
That's about it. If you don't mind being alone and gradually getting more and more isolated then there really isn't any benefit.
But watch out, normalfags will immediately try to gaslight you into thinking you are actually depressed just so they can be right in their assumption that people who choose to be alone are depressed and one step away from sudokuing.
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>>720637791
>>Stepping on it with your shoes
You see, in the first world we have concrete and pavement to walk on outside, so we don't need to step in dirt and mud and shit when we walk out the door.
Our shoes are cleaner than what you eat your curry off of
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>>720633050
Hi tranny, did aryanime wound break your neovagina too much?
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>>720637516
>but who the fuck are you actually going to entertain down there????
My friends after Bible Study
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>>720628342
Such is life for the retard who gets his worldview from a 5 second webm on /vee/
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I don't get any of this.
No woman would ever want to spend any time whatsoever with me.
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>>720626318
>Wife
Why are men still dumb enough to get married?
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>>720640250
Even if you're someone who prefers to be alone you need to build a social network due to how society works.
Of course that doesn't mean you need to become a parties-every-weekend social butterfly but you still need to have acquaintances, even some friends for purely pragmatic, business reasons.
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>>720626318
it's both fucking gay
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>>720639843
Masturbate to extend by two more weeks
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>>720627776
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>>720626391
>yer a gamer 'arry
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If a woman puts more focus on the kids' needs over your own, leave immediately.
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>>720640114
It’s kind of obvious a lot of people don’t have normal lives here. Otherwise, they wouldn’t turn to vidya.

Still, it’s not always their fault. Some people missed the boat of making lots of friends when they were kids due to either mental illnesses or other life factors, so they have to try and make friends as an adult, which is 10x harder than it is trying to do so as a kid. I would genuinely have no friends if it wasn’t for the fact I happened to make one or two friends in school.
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>>720639073
I like the laminate flooring on the walls
Really adds to the retard vibe
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>>720628025
>>720628342
Seriously what would you do in this situation or how would you solve this problem?
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>>720640070
Idiocracy non-believer
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>>720640638
I hope you’re being sarcastic. I agree a woman shouldn’t neglect your needs entirely, but once a kid enters the relationship, that kid is the priority.
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>>720627132
I can't imagine anything more depressing than not having natural light. that would drive me insane
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>>720626318
>>720627132
how does someone get this broken? letting your wife wear the pants and make decisions is one thing but then to post about it online to share your shame with strangers is what I don't understand at all.
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>>720640272
Struck a nerve amerimutt?
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>>720640047
Imagine spawning into this gay simulation just to take care of some dying boomer. Fuck.
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>>720640742
>I agree a woman shouldn’t neglect your needs entirely
That's what I meant, anon.
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>>720640663
Those "30+ gamer" threads are so depressing for this very reason.
It's a bunch of people who have no connection to other people so they desperately want to make friends here.
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>>720640663
>Otherwise, they wouldn’t turn to vidya.
Video games are is the most popular entertainment industry, especially among men.
You can game with bros, but you can also easily do it without them, which is a door to loneliness.
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>>720626691
That's the best flavor of Ghost at least.
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>>720640896
The fact that so many /v/ users are so genuinely unhinged and unwell makes it sadder. They desperately want to connect to each other, but I've seen it all too often. The people who add each other do not find solace in their shared suffering and similar experiences, they drain each other of all they are worth and both parties leave feeling further embittered about humanity.
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>>720626318
top
>something you can use daily
bottom
>only going to be used maybe once or twice per year

>>720640272
Insane cope. You don't know what was set on the concrete or pavement btw. while I was living in the US I had neighbors that would let their dog shit and piss on the pavement because he was too lazy to actually manage the litter. Thank god I live in Japan now away from the savages.
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>>720635546
My wife and I get along better after we got divorced. Try that
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>>720640896
I have a best friend, but he's been an asshole to me lately. He lost his job, feels stagnant, and his ADHD makes him take it out on other people (and he won't fucking take his medication).
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>>720640813
All kids are made for selfish reasons in one way or another, and you can’t escape that.

People who say you shouldn’t have kids because it’s selfish are retarded however, because once the kid gets older, they’re free to make their own decisions. Anti-natalists are just bitter projectionists who blame their parents for the fact their life sucks.
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>>720640434
>Even if you're someone who prefers to be alone you need to build a social network due to how society works.
You don't, money can easily replace everything social network can offer. Improve it, even.
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>>720627776
jej
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>>720641038
Exactly why I say women and men are not meant to co-habitate together. We're just too different mentally and biologically. I literally got along with my ex better when we downgraded to FWB's.
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>>720641050
I don't know man, I don't think money can replace the joy of gaming with bros
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>>720641194
You were talking about someone who prefers to be alone.
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/pol/ tradtards are starting to get into the thread, I see.
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>>720640143
Sleeping porches came way later in Southern US architecture, what are you talking about? If these came before, why would porches be placed in the front of the house and not back?
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>>720640239
babies aren't put in basements
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>>720640984
My ex-gf was actually a femanon and it was honestly depressing because while we could relate to eachother in our brokenness, she was honestly even more dysfunctional than me and it made her so emotionally distant that after awhile the love just disappeared from it and we were just talking to eachother because we were scared to be alone. Even now, I only seem to be able to attract BPD women, which means that no relationship works.
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>complaining about your women to anons online
why don't you go communicate with your girl you failed normaltroon?
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>>720639073
it's a shed bro.
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just find a gf that likes vidya
not hard
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>>720626318
Basement definitely feels cozier after the remodel. It doesnt really make sense to me to clutter your home with gym equipment instead of going to the gym, but a basement bar doesnt make sense either just go to the bar lol. They also cluttered the basement with too many fucking chairs, stack these fucking things and put em aside
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>>720641540
There is no such thing as a mentally sound woman.
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>>720628025
is this. bad?
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>>720637513
Boomer mentality, are you sure you're not posting from 1965?
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>>720641540
>BDP
If there was a reliable, easy method that was accessible to everyone for fixing this shit the world would be a better place. It's too fucking common for how debilitating it is to yourself and everyone around you. It's such a fucked mental disorder because it's hard to tell what's BPD and what's someone just being a fucking asshole for no reason, then there's those with it who put in NO work to get through it.
I've been through the ringer, so I don't blame you if you don't want to try again, but there's still a chance you'll find the right one.
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>>720639073
>18cm off the ground for some reason
I mean the usual reason are flood risk or insulating
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>>720635546
This is the kind of cuck who shows how to videogame threads telling you unprompted how great having kids is. Then he goes back to his sad existence with his fat blown out wife and empty days full of nothing that he enjoys. But hey he did the "acceptable thing" TM.
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>>720641675
I sometimes wish I were gay just because of this fact
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>>720641624
>just communicate! surely everything will be perfect after your jedi mind tricks!
go live real life my dude. If people want to vent, let them vent, that's what your ass is doing when you post
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>>720628025
I'd rather wageslave for 12h, play vidya games at home and fall asleep, all without a whiny cunt screaming down my ear
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>>720642136
how are you any different than bitches you despise if you are talking behind them like this instead of talking the truth to their face like a man?
>BUT I NEED TO LIE FOR THE PUSSY
that's why you are a normaltroon
your entire life is a lie
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>>720628554
>astolfo figure by his printer
he deserved it btw
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>>720642285
>he doesnt lie by default
>he doesnt ESPECIALLY to get pussy and money out of it
im afraid youre just retarded sadly but i forgive you because it couldnt be helped
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>>720639728
If you're gay, then you should think that you evolved towards wanting those things.
If you're straight, then you know that the Lord has made you to want those things.
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>>720640869
Should have written it then.
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>>720642618
How did that work out for you pencil neck?
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It always startles me that so many men understandably want a relationship but they're so insecure they put up with a spouse who turns into a sister that lords them around, just be single jesus murphy
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>>720640579
This guy is a jew btw.
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>>720642764
>he thinks im the same anon
i won
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>>720641302
You are a mentally ill male.
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>>720641904
Where the hell does everyone meet these BDP Women? I have never seen a BDP woman in my entire life.
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>health
>games
Based!
>now I only consume the brewed jew and neither health nor game
Cringe!
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She removed all his exercise and entertainment
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for me?

it's the chairs facing the wall so i can avoid looking at my wife and think about killing myself in peace
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>>720639073
The fact you think building it off the ground is a problem tells everyone you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
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This thread makes me appreciate that my wife is autistic and into the same shit I am. She hates when there's stuff not organized, and we've set up several shelves for our figmas, model kits, Kamen Rider toys, multiple jigsaw puzzles, and personal items. We have so much free space, it's very comfortable.
The only complaint I have is her obsession over gacha games, but she refuses to spend money on them, so I just tease her about liking gacha.
She may suck at playing vidya, but it's worth it when she sits on my lap and watches me play.

She's the needle in the haystack and I really recommend you fags ITT to not give up hope.
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>>720629904
I actually have many pillows on my bed
2 for rotating to the cool side 1 small one for small elevation adjustment
1 body pillow one to put under my knees to for good posture
2 more to sandwich my penis to stimulated paizuri
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>>720641039
Didn't ask.
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>>720627132
>Capeshit and Onions Wars
Why is this so prevalent? And it's the awful modern shit too.
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>>720631740

you are supposed to marry someone who is not gonna make your life hell bro
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I'm statistically never going to have a wife so I might as well enjoy myself with my video games.
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>>720643245
Yes anon, I also like to make up fantastic stories on the internet.
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>>720641904
>>720642932
Bidolar Pissorder?
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>>720643407
I just took a massive diarrhea shit and didn't flush. Check your toilet.
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>>720642003
>If your wife needs a lot of attention she must be fat and ugly
cope and seethe harder
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>>720628342
if all youre looking for is a hole to stick your dick in then just go find a hooker on the weekends, starting a family means sacrificing alot of your free time and energy, no one is forcing you to do it
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>>720640678
I would just ask for divorce or leave, im already slowly killing myself at work for 12 goddam hours just to get home and be received by bitching, woman im not asking for a blowjob or a handy when i get home, just for a couple hours of rest before starting the bullshit cycle all over again.
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>>720643407
>woman plays gacha trash
i dunno man, it checks out
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>>720636650
>Only if the child deserves it.
Your child didn't ask to be born. They're your responsibility.
If they end up a fuck up at least up until their late teens when at that point they're their own person, then you can only blame yourseld.
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>>720630827
this nigga lives in the nether s.mh
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>>720641820
90% of Boomers got married, imbecile. Millennials are at less than 60% right now. I'm guessing people of our generation will end up at less than 30% at this rate.
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>>720626691
>star wars wallpaper
every time
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>>720633050
>/a/ chad manages to land a gf
>/v/ermin cries out in jealousy and proceeds to call him names
Thanks for the chuckle anon, i hope you never procreate.
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>don't breed
>wonder why the country is importing millions of browns
grim.
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>>720644407
>can't afford to breed and get a house
>millions of browns get free housing and gibs to raise their kids
grim indeed
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>>720627132
>sony cuck shed
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>>720640293
homolive is NOT aryanime
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>>720633557
>Shit won't fix itself if you are not both on the same level
That would mean the other person wants to accept your own troubles, most of the time they believe they do everything for you (they do nothing) and you're just avoiding them or don't want to do the bare minimum.
I've had countless arguments with my ex because he wanted me to go meet him every week, it takes a literal hour in a train to go to the city, 2 hours to go to his city since I've got to go to the city and take the metro back to his.
Last year there was a literal tsunami that came rolling down the mountains and destroyed all train tracks, roads and basically everything in its path, the government put a bus line to go to the city, it literally took over 2 hours to go there and 2 more to go back, he wanted me after being on a bus for 2 whole hours, that I waited half an hour for him to come, because he only gets out of his house once I arrive at the city.
I told him I wouldn't do a 4 hours trip and still wait for him 30 minutes to come and then go see him off, he threw a massive tantrum
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>>720626391
Must be better gamers
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>>720644407
>Can barely afford to take care of myself
>Demanding me to take care of a wife and children
>Act surprised when i turn into a poorfag deadbeat dad with rural looking children
That is how brown people and /v/tards are created you moron, if you can't afford to have kids then don't, just be happy with your own income and don't do retarded shit like having a kid then sacrificing yourself 15 hours in the wagie cagie just to have enough money to afford your spawn or asking for credit to shekelberg.
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>>720643332
There is no such thing.
Boomer culture and humor revolves around how much they hate their wives for a reason.
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>>720626318
no this is gay and allowing a woman to have complete control of the home is basically being a cuck
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>>720645216
The reason is them being the generation that destroyed marriage.
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I'm a gay furry who has fursuit sex with my biological female furry wife
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>>720645363
See? This is the kind of shit that might happen when you are out 12 hours a day working and got no time to be a parental figure or do stuff like here. >>720645125
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>>720645312
It was always like that, naive-kun.
You know that "Can't live with them, can't live without them" meme boomers use? That literally comes from ancient Rome. Women were nagging cunts even in a turbo-masculine patriarchal society like that.
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>>720645216
boomers generally were of the opinion "take what you can get"
they also werent inundated 24/7 by what kinds of options and specimens exist around the world like everyone is today through social media websites
they were only concerned about who they could speak to directly within their little pond of everyday life
(today especially) some people hold out on having kids or even just starting a relationship because deep down they are of the opinion they can "le do better" or "le get something better than whats on offer" so they spurn or ignore the interests of those they interact with regularly thinking mr of mrs perfect is right around the corner
then there are the "other people" who just fuck around freely without care for the feelings of the person they fuck around with
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>>720645312
Cope tradcuck, marriage is garbage, but keep believing in coca cola ads with happy blonde families making barbecue instead of real opinions
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>>720643115
how big is your ass you need more than 1 chair to sit and stare at a wall
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>>720646329
>cokeCHADS out of nowhere
sit down, drpepperKEKOLD
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>>720640678
dont work 12 hours, fuck it dont work 8, too much
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>>720646419
i sit vertically
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>>720629359
yea if you live with your parents
if you live with a woman she has no right to push you out of the house like that
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Boomers and millennials hate single people because they don't want to acknowledge the fact they could not spend 40 years with a person they loathe and living 40 years of hell but still choose to.
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>>720627132
>3 bedroom house
>One main bedroom for adults
>Second bedroom was a game room taken to be a baby room
So what is the third room being used for?
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>>720635546
blood just dick her down to shut her up
you should know bitches do shit like that because they are coy as fuck
its unseemly for a woman to be forward about her wants
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>>720646817
"Guest" room of course, because every women has delusions that she will have constant overnight visitors from her friends and family like she's some kind of English royalty with an Abbey
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>>720628509
found the relationship cuck
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>>720647013
This, you have a perfectly plappable wife that's indirectly saying "PLEASE PLEASE PLAP ME" and you're too fucking stubborn to go "HMM YES. I WILL PLAP MY WIFE AND THEN SHE'LL BE HAPPY" for [unknown fucking reason]?
/v/'s retardedness knows no bounds.
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>>720646817
>>720647180
Maybe they have another kid?
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The actual elephant in the room is adults, with families, still playing videogames. No different from a 30something sitting on his room playing with action figures.
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>>720647475
No different from a middle aged man sitting on a lumpy couch watching young negroes playing sportsball until bedtime, eh?
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>>720647475
>you cant have any hobbies or interests of your own you MUST work every day and tend to all your wife's needs and be overbearing to your child to the point where they resent you
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>>720647357
>>720647013
Have you considerd that I'm simply to tired?
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>>720626691
nice sauna
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>>720647475
The jew fears the adult video game enjoyer
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>>720647571
>>720647583
There are plenty of adult hobbies and pastimes; some of them are even productive in the long run.
Videogames are for children and teenagers and you should leave them behind when you're old enough to drink and drive.

Adult videogame fans being mentally ill on many levels is no coincidence.
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>>720637169
>doesnt want him to work out and be healthy
>wants him to consume poison and have generic boring conversations with vapid normoid losers

FTFY
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>>720647712
If you're not a prideful fuck you could just let your wife ride cowgirl.
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>>720647927
>There are plenty of adult hobbies and pastimes; some of them are even productive in the long run.
Name them. I want to laugh at you.
The whole point of a pastime is that you enjoy it and PASS TIME. None of your arbitrary boomer restrictions apply.
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>>720626318
This is just awful.
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Every boomer and gen x I work with despises their wife.
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>>720626318
For me it's dart board right above a little bench.
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>most relationships are miserable or slowly turn miserable over time
>being a KHV saps your motivation and brings on chronic stress and weird health issues only seen in zoo animals with PTSD
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Women want to sit at home and have tea parties and talk shit about each other to each other

Men want to go camping and play war

Why can't we just accept this and build society around it instead of pretending we all want the same thing and can be satisfied with it?
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>>720648105
Off the top of my head:
Exercising
Metalworking
Woodworking
Gun collecting and shooting
Playing an instrument (in a serious way)
Practicing martial arts (real ones, not meme posing ones)
Voluntary work for your church
Voluntary work for your political party
Fishing
Maintaining and fixing cars and other vehicles
Studying the bible
Writing, both fiction and non-fiction

Videogames are to current culture was TV was to post-war culture: a worthless time waster that enslaved people in front of a screen.
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>>720640896
All people on this website are always searching to connect with others. Not just 30+ gamer threads. That's the whole point of posting.

When you type shit into that little box you are hoping someone else will read it and acknowledge it. You are searching for a moment of human connection. If you weren't you'd be off reading something, playing singleplayer, whatever.

I don't find that sad. It's human. It's normal. And the people who want validation and meaning from others are so, so much better than the freaks who don't.
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>>720648330
>Men want to go camping and play war
Speak for yourself, nigger
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Once a woman told me this.
"We grow up"
No matter how much your wife\gf is nerdy or interested in hobbies, she will grow out of them. She will fell to the hormones that sounds like "tick tock tick tock" after the 30s. Nothing will come before or over having kids, preparing you and your house for them, and they will become her first priority. You can't do anything about it. You don't want kids? She will leave. She doesn't want kids? Congrats on passng the rest of your life with an apathetic and sad wife.
>Muh my wife let me play one hour a day \ She gives me a night out with the boys
Yes, that's the pocket change that gives to you to keep her living what she wants to do. It's a trade, she gives you some free time so you don't go crazy and she still have you.
>Muh my wife let me keep my mancave
Yes, you have a doghouse, you still have to go to the kitchen to feed and pay taxes for the house she lives in. And by principle it means she never wanted to see or participate in your hobby

TLDR, if you want your hobbies and your time stay single. Your nerdy wife\gf will not be like that forever.
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>>720626318
>always trust your wife
This part always gets me. It's like his wife forced him to write this post as an apology for doubting her.
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>>720648425
>Voluntary work for your church
>Studying the bible
MIGAcels are the worst thing to happen to the internet
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>>720648604
Because there was a post before that in which he asked if that was a good idea, probably the wife saw it.
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>>720648454
>validation and meaning from others are so, so much better than the freaks who don't.
Given how their own worth is dependent on strangers, not at all. At least the freaks stand for themselves.
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>>720626691
soi and the implication aside, this kind of looks comfy tbqh
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>>720642820
All the smartest people are
This guy is a white btw.
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>>720648691
All they do is spread misery. Thank god I know the signs and can avoid them now
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>>720636717
How long you been married?
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>>720648425
>consuming fiction is bad but writing fiction is okay
Things like church work and giving back to your community is respectable but you have holes in your logic.
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Today is Sunday morning.
While I shitpost I'm playing videogames and washing my clothes. And in 30 minutes I will start cooking my lunch for today, Monday and Tuesday.

I can take care of myself without needing someone to give me shit for playing videogames.
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>>720647712
while i understand that perfectly, try drinking more water on your days off
tiredness during the day is usually not just because of lack of sleep but because of dehydration
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>>720626691
No man needs more. Based is on a belcave where small spaces that fit all your recreation needs like this are based and so are big studies with real wood furniture, anything in the middle like a gaming corner in a bedroom or living room is on a spectrum because at least you have the space, but worse than these 2
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>>720639901
>>720632942
yes once in a while but you can't spam it every day. do you really think modern day dating is that simple that you can have that? i wish it too anon. social media comparison and consumerism is so in-grained into city life i wish i was joking.
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>>720640678
Let me give you some personal insight on the matter.

I've been with my wife for 10 years now. We met in high school, and I got her pregnant. She is and always has been a lazy person and a shit cook. I wouldn't even mind eating shit food if she at least made it on time. But she rarely did.

We'd get into screaming arguments constantly about how lazy and worthless she was. I felt like an asshole for it, but goddamn she was a real piece of work. The only reason I dealt with all this was for the kids, and also because the sex is great.

But one night, I got fed up. Not only did she get drunk, neglect the kids, and made me top Ramen for dinner, but she decided to give me attitude too. She was being real fucking bitchy. So I told my grandparents to keep an eye on the kids and told my wife we were going to go out and have dinner together. I drove maybe 3 blocks to a quiet area (we live in Oregon, it's not hard to find a quiet field) and I got out of the car, went around like I was going to open her door for her and let her out, and I just beat the shit out of her while she was still seatbelted. After a few punches, I asked her if she wanted to go back to her parents. She started screaming and yelling and said yes, so I beat the shit out of her again. Then I asked her what she wanted to do. She finally got smart and said she wanted to go home. So I took her home and dared her to start trouble. I even handed her my cellphone and dialed her mom's number on the drive home. I made her talk to her mom, while daring her to fucking say something.

Before that incident, I had never laid a hand on her. But I had always threatened it. I told her "one of these days, if you don't straighten up, I'm going to lay hands on you."

All my meals have been on time, and she just recently tried to make a meatloaf. It was mediocre, but I was just thrilled that she tried.

Do with this information what you will.
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>>720648856
You can use fiction to spread your ideals and helping others to see things like you do.
It's not the same as the empty consumerist fiction.
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Got a gaming attic.
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>>720627776
This is very inteligent picture and me as an intelectual have laughed at it
Hello, fellow intelectuals. :)
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>>720648425
>Voluntary work for your political party
Holy shit my sides
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>>720627776
should be a bunch POWs lined up against or facing the wall and a firing squad aiming at them
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>>720628342
Women legitimately do not appreciate men working for them.
They want money and attention, they don't care how you get the money or what you have to give up to constantly attend to them.
I love my wife, but that's just how women mentally work.
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>>720648750
Nigga I see that nose
You might be fooling Jamal, but you ain't fooling me.
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>>720649149
Do... Do you not know the allegory of Plato's cave?
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>>720626318
>GOOOOOOOOOOOOOODS
>GIVE MY WIFE A CUUCK BAR AND MY LIFE IS YOURS
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>>720648505
there are video games for that so he isnt wrong
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>>720635659
>Spoon dirty side down on the table
Is this some quintessential femoid thing wtf you're dead on
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>>720649316
There are video games for raping women and assassinating people too
What's your point?
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>>720649221
it was just a suggestion for another edit
fyi i was the one that had to inform all the retarded zoomer babies on v about the cave
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>>720642854
What's your prize?
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>>720649073
She probably loved it and came a bit. You know what women are like
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>>720648425
>Goyboomers legitimately think these are respectable things to do with your single life on this earth
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>>720649083
>spread your ideals and helping others to see things like you do
There's plenty of games that accomplish this. MGS2 is one such example, and is quoted by tons of people to this day especially with recent AI developments. It being a different medium doesn't take away from its merit.
You say empty consumerist fiction but I can name as many horrific ao3 fanfics as you can name competently written books with a good message. It's a problem with the people in charge of making the games, not the existence of games themselves.
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>>720649430
people will play the video game simulation of the activity they are interested in if they cant actually do said activity irl
make sense?
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>>720649146
What's the issue? You're making your country a better place while actually improving your social network.
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>>720649492
MGS2 is pretty much the only example people cite and still it's a very shallow view coming from a miopic Japanese man.

As long as videogames need to make a profit, they will never be more than a consumerist vapid medium. It's like wanting TV or Hollywood movies to be more than entertainment.
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>>720649073
i find this imaginary scenario to hilarious every time i read it
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>>720649556
>You're making your country a better place
No
Participating in mainstream politics in any 1st world country is cucked behavior
You can make your country better without supporting compromised institutions or networking with jews or jew-adjacent people
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>>720648425
Excerising is mantatory to live. Unless you're doing CrossFit, it's also an anti-social behavior. Unless you think the Del Ray Misfits were the pinnacle of humanity.
Metalworking, woodworking, gun collecting all require very expensive initial investments that are likely unobtainable for most. They are also exceedingly dangerous when starting out and uninformed.
Playing an instrument in a quiet room is the same as playing a video game. It yields nothing but an occasional party trick else you try (and fail) to make if a full time job.
Martial arts are often snake oil as alluded to by your post. Finding "not a meme posing one" often means bouncing around gyms to seek whatever pointless validation. And, no, it won't help you in 99% of violent altercations if they ever happen at all so it's pointless
Voluntaring is often the for the weak and easily manipulated to do free labor.
Fishing is fine though the result is moot if you don't like fish
Again expensive initial investments and requires space to do so
Fuck off religious cuck I'm not reading about how unjust God is for my free time.
Writing is an incredibly useless skill to hone unless you find well written birthday cards something to achieve for

Every hobby is intentionally idle garbage. Because it's not "digital" suddenly amplifing its value is a fallacy driven by old men who have lost touch with society. Go build birdhouses and get off of basket weaving forums, grandpa

>>720649073
Cool LARP. You should still go to jail pussy.
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>you're making your country a better place
Participating in and perpetuating the distraction of fake politics is actively undermining your society. Playing into billionaire Jewish stage plays for the cattle is not helping anyone but them, and you're even pushing doing it for FREE, you must be a jew.
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>>720633789
No way, source?
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>>720649073
Why did reading this give me a boner?
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>>720649717
>As long as videogames need to make a profit, they will never be more than a consumerist vapid medium.
And you believe books are safe from this?
How many of them have been pulled for arbitrary reasons? Not even government-mandated ones, but because the owners simply didn't want them there anymore?
It's up to you to decide if you think any specific piece of media or literature is contaminated, to do any less is handwaving away a whole medium of storytelling because you wanted to "stare at a book" for hours instead "staring at a screen" for hours.
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>>720649073
you love her enough to give her the ass kicking she needed but never received while growing up
sometimes love is crazy
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>>720649761
here comes the moralizer
why not just kill yourself now so you dont have to put up with being alive
the point is idle hands are what lead to negative outcomes
if one is going to do anything at all it might as well be beneficial in someway even if it just amounts to, in your opinion, wasting time
the alternative is casual malevolence and darwin awards brought about by minor to extreme boredom as exhibited in third world shit holes
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>>720649987
>And you believe books are safe from this?
They are, because they aren't dependent on profit and they can be distributed freely.
Elliot Rodger was able to distribute his manifesto; he wouldn't have been able to express himself if he had tried to make a movie or a vidoegame.
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>>720626318
>all that useful equipment
>all that comfortable space
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>man cave
what's next, dude wipes?
black riffle coffee?
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>>720650216
Manifestos are not free or freely distributed, they are paid for by your taxes.
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>>720627132
He is absolutely pussywhipped that this couldn't be done inside his own fucking home... but at the same time, that looks pretty comfy.
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>>720649761
>Excerising is mantatory to live
I don't exercise and I'm still alive; I'm not young either. Meanwhile the god of fitness Zyzz has been dead for, how much, 15 years?
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>>720626391
I kinda want an angled chair + keyboard setup like that, but obviously in a more open ventilated space
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>>720650329
>Manifestos are not free or freely distributed
His was. Same with plenty of "controversial" or "forbidden" books.
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>>720628342
Women are like children, lacking object permanence. When a man is out of her line of sight, he doesn't exist. She's only thinking about herself that entire time.
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>>720640047
>>720640061
>>720640434
>>720642656
Don't listen to these fools >>720639728. You should enjoy the time you have to yourself in your own home instead of being a slave to others. Most people jump into a relationship too early, and it usually bite them on the ass later. Your own peace and quiet should come first before potentially starting a family.
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>>720650325
Literally what is wrong with Dude Wipes? Why are you walking around with a crusty butt?
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okay that caught me off guard
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>>720635791
sounds like you're just fat and/or an alcoholic. you dont need booze to "cope" unless you're pathetic. You being 40lbs+ overweight and in poor physical condition is whats actually causing your lack of sex drive.

fun fact: most of the "haha just wait until you're older bullshit" has little to do with age and everything to do with getting fat and out of shape.
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I for one find super funny how most anons let politics dominate their lives to an extend where even something as intimate and personal as their sexuality is dominated by them
>"I want to COLONIZE that black girl"

They're no different from those crazy extremists who strap bombs to their bodies and blow themselves without giving a single fuck.
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>>720626318
>face the wall, scum!
based wifey
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>>720649717
Ah yes, if only MGS2 had the deep insight of le anime site contrarian. Let us look to books, which are magically immune to needs for profits or popularity, and ignore the fact that producing written works was created as a way to spread an agenda, same as the printing press was, and the fact that games were invented to just entertain people and make money through doing so. Don't even get me started on music which was standardized by Bach to push the message of certain churches, then pushed by funders of Mozart to push an agenda, then pushed by record companies to push their agendas.
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>>720650492
Just because you didn't see the charge doesn't mean it was free.
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>>720650558
just buy normal wet wipes you fool!
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>>720626318
this shit is so annoying and bitches alwasy do this. they will choose aesthetics over function. i guarantee the before version of the room got used all the time. the bottom does look nice (minus the weird wall facing chairs) but i bet they use it once every couple months at most for a date night in or whatever but outside of that its now a wasted room with no purpose other than looking nice. not enough space for it to be a proper party/social room and not comfortable enough to be a relax or chill space.
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>>720650787
>and the fact that games were invented to just entertain people and make money through doing so
Let's not jump ahead of ourselves, video games were always and still are an arm of military tech development
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>>720650546
Lol, you should find a decent wife and experience the wonder of raising a family instead of wasting years doing nothing but seeking 'entertainment' to fill a void which can never be filled. You can play all the games you want or consume all you want when you are old, or even enjoy it with your family.
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>>720650861
Why did this make me laugh?
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>>720650982
I'm not saying videogames are pure or some shit, but the first 30 years of them are nothing compared to other mediums. For example, anime was spearheaded by the Japanese government to create an alternative to foreign works, and the Japanese government publically stated that if they lose the war in animation, they lose the war in influence in the world
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This is unironically what I want from a rented unit. Small space for my battlestation + a bed, a kitchen and bathroom and luggage space. Yet all the fucking apartments I find have a shitton of other furniture and useless space, charging me hundreds of dollars extra for things I don't need. It shouldn't be so hard to find a small space to live in but I just can't. I wish I lived in Japan or something, I heard they got all that covered.
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>>720651238
All media is created by the powerful with the intention to push the masses in one direction or another with easily-digestible and memetic information.

However, books remain one of the more accessible mediums for a single person with no connections to utilize, while video games require a much higher level of skill and dedication to create even now with all the tools at hand. I can see his argument for writing being easier to find free of outside influence.

Any literate person with an idea can write a book with no extra skills needed. That same literate person would have to find solutions to artwork assets, musical assets, coding, debugging, etc etc to take their same idea and put it into videogame form. Which opens them up to needing help from outsiders who want to put their own spin into the original idea or message.
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>>720650546
>Consuming and looking for entertainment
At what point did I said anything like that? I made no mention as to what a person who doesn't have a kid or in a relationship should do with their free time. They should simply enjoy it and only sacrifice it once they're ready. Maybe they could do activities that may improve their skills or whatever?
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>>720651008
>the wonder of raising a family
Oh yeah, >>720649073 truly sounds wonderful.
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>>720640434
Just work dude. If you go literally insane from not enough social stimulation after having to spend 8 hours with co-workers every weekday then I don't know what to tell you.
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>>720643245
it's a tossup. my ex was also high functioning but I got the shit end of the stick. she was both aware acutely aware of her autism, but also didn't care to compensate or "fake it" when it was REALLY necessary.
>struggled to hold normal jobs for longer than a few months because she would unknowingly piss coworkers through micro aggressions due to lack of social awareness. especially women.
>she went through ~4 good jobs in the 2 years that we dated.
>she wouldn't communicate with me until situations blew up. this happened multiple times, especially with the being demoted/laid off/forced out of jobs.
>her excuse was that she was scared of me getting mad at her (gaslighting me), but would happily start arguments about pointless shit, bringing herself to tears and having a full autistic meltdown including punching her own head.
>complained about me being distant and boring when she knew full well that my goal was a 1yr sprint to save money because were were both broke and in debt and had no savings.
>would talk in a baby voice despite me repeatedly asking her to stop. I finally told her that this was really serious and that I intended to date a fucking adult and not a child. She had a full meltdown that lasted 4 hours.
>got really into anime and was straight up antagonistic that I didn't enjoy it. She took it personally and used it as ammo when criticizing me. Anime gives me a headache due to the shitty framerate and audio, and I tried many different ways to remediate that. I can't force myself to be interested in something I'm not.
>ended up emotionally cheating on me with a large group of men, and then soon after proceeded to actually cheat on me and dump me despite me almost completely financially supporting her.

and many more adventures that I could talk about for hours. Unfortunately western women are fucked.
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>>720651495
that image looks uncomfortable as fuck
id suggest just buying land and dropping a prefab on it so you get your privacy and what not
or buy a high rise condo 1-2 bedrroms would be good for one person
you can sell it later for profit for whatever reason
most of the utility bills will be consolidated under maintenance fees
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>>720651592
Yes, at the end of the day anyone is free to make their own works and potentially get their image across, although they are at a disadvantage to major corporations who can dramatically increase visibility and promote said works. The point is that claiming written media is any better is asinine in that it only has a lower barrier for entry but that also balances out in market saturation etc. At the end of the day claiming one kind of media is supreme is a pointless endeavor
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>>720652161
Agreed
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>>720626318
>Ozark
>series where protag literally accepts his wife cheating on him and then being a complete bitch to him
>3 episodes in and the protag is a side-character
the pozzening in that second picture is far greater than you'd think
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>>720628786
>Goes for women, too.
No it doesnt
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>>720651972
okay but why are you on here if you don't like anime....
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>>720652806
sir this is /v/
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Anytime people do these le ebic basment reworks they almost never end up using it. Fucking waste of time and money because some guys bitch wife hated that their husband did something that was solitary
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>>720652840
yeah /v/ for video games not fucking vegans
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>>720644207
That attitude towards having kids is very boomer.
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>>720652932
anime is gay and you are a manchild for enjoying it
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>>720648750
Lets do it!

PUT
YOUR
PANTS
ON

https://files.catbox.moe/tk3rk4.mp4
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>>720652806
A lot of people on /v/ don't like anime, it's not that weird.
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>>720628342
is it really women's fault? or the society (jews) that make you work like a slave?
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>>720626318
No, I live alone so I don't have to set up my house around what other people want. My married friends are jealous.
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>>720652840
>>720653491
Go away.
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>>720654210
please stay
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All of this talk about what being in a relationship is actually like is cool and all, but how does one even get a girlfriend? I don't even know where to meet women, let alone get one to like me
t. zoomer
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>>720647475
Hi /pol/fag feel free to rope
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>>720654613
I'm a dork so the only place I've seen men and women meet and get together has been anime conventions. the friend group has 4 active relationships going all from just mutual meeting and hanging out at cons
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>>720636650
>Only if the child deserves it.
Children are born with a clean slate. They deserve to be loved and fought for unconditionally. There is no scenario where that isn't true. It is the responsibility of the parent 100% of the time.
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>>720654821
Would this actually work? Can I just look into going to one solo and I'll somehow find friends there? I've wanted a weeb gf my entire life. Aren't the gender skewed for men a lot though? I don't want to compete with all of the other guys if it's like a 9:1 ratio.
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>>720649073
>Multiple replies
>No one points out this is an ancient copy pasta
Shameful display
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>>720655050
>second reply points it out
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>>720654949
>Can I just look into going to one solo
Won't work. You will look awkward and desperate when people realize you're trying to get something from them.
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>>720655140
So what are my options then?
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>>720654949
Depends on how good you are are striking up conversations. And no walking up to a group of girls and just starting to talk is almost always going to end up with you being the creep unless your cosplay is extremely good or you fairly charismatic but if you were fairly charismatic you wouldn't be asking this.
Pro tip try and find balanced groups of men and woman to mingle with. The second you get an in group try and stick with them and expand use the group to mingle with other groups
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>>720655205
Go with friends.
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>>720654949
>Can I just look into going to one solo and I'll somehow find friends there
absolutely but you will NEED cosplay, and an instagram. alot of connections come from two people being like "whoa i love your [character] may i take a picture?" then adding on insta, then talking later after the con if the vibe is right

just this year i've met people who I've never seen before, hungout with at cons, talked later on discord, and eventually went to and roomed together at 2 separate cons I was not originally planning on going to, and with more plans for next year. Have a cosplay, try to be social but not too weird, and you will do it
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>>720654949
>I've wanted a weeb gf my entire life. Aren't the gender skewed for men a lot though? I don't want to compete with all of the other guys if it's like a 9:1 ratio.
it's tough, most weeb/gamer girls are already taken, they're in very high demand by both nerdy and non-nerdy guys
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>>720647180
your family doesn't stay with you sometimes?
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>>720652496
>series where protag literally accepts his wife cheating on him and then being a complete bitch to him
This is not portrayed as a good thing in the show and both characters are indefensible murderers.
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>>720626691
Anon, mind hiding in your cuck r... I mean chilling in your mancave for a few hours tomorrow after 7? Me and your wife are about to have our usual fun and she feels better when you're not around.
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>>720626391
i hate that i like this it would fill my need to be underground and game
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>>720653124
qrd?
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>>720655386
I really appreciate the advice anon, thanks. Is there anything else you could add? Could you give me a personal story? How did you meet your friend group? I have an instagram I post fanart to sometimes, and I could definitely do cosplay. My social skills aren't the best but I can hold small talk with normalfag coworkers so I don't think I'm bottom of the barrel either, this really might work out for me, I never even considered this. I'd appreciate some more pointers.
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>>720654949
Cons are honestly almost 60:40 and by having a decent cosplay you will easily be able to get some good conversations going. As long as you aren't a ham planet at least but if you are stop fucking eating fatty and work on yourself first
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>>720628342
Incels will actually defend the women because they've never been in a relationship and don't know the constant attention seeking and drama for nothing.
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>>720655668
>i hate that i like this it would fill my need to be underground and game
Fucking this. I am digging a cellar underneath my barn because I have an autistic desire to be underground
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>>720648425
>Studying the bible
Retard moment.
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>>720637169
>socialize with real people
>in their own fucking basement
no she wants to sip her margaritas scrolling her phone while a braindead show plays on the TV and show him social media posts while he stands there staring into the wall
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hell yeah bros
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>>720649073
>Do with this information what you will.
fake and gay
kys
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>>720648425
You forgot shitposting on a Venetian basket weaving imageboard on Sunday.
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>>720643769
Nobody can afford hookers anymore
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>>720626318
for me it's the chairs facing the wall
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>>720626691
>wife lets me have a cuckshed at home
Waow
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>>720656648
>Hookers become too expensive
>No one goes to hookers
>Hookers become devalued
>Hookers cheaper
>More people use hookers
>More relationships blow up
>More single females
The whore cycle should be studied more
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>>720628342
You mean "volcelism"? If you're voluntarily celibate, with one of the reasons being that relationships (especially with petty or bitchy women) are a ridiculous hassle, then you aren't an incel.
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>>720626318
got a room for it. Pic is a little old though.
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>>720626318
runed
>>720626691
stop posting you're making me sad
>>720627132
based
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>>720656914
>They lay off more people, they gonna be out here sucking dick! It's gonna be a buyer's market!
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>>720639073
Youre retarded
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>>720657015
I recognize that sky.
I'm coming.
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>>720637647
>Home bars used to be a staple of entertaining guests, especially in American homes
that's some upper class retardation for people that need a constant flow of drugs to be able to hold a conversation. normal people just sit in the living room or their garden.
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>>720626318
L m ao.
She literally ruined it lol.
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>>720639728
You, much like me, will be found dead a month after your actual death when a neighbor complain about the smell.
Not that I should care as I'll be dead, but maybe I should do something about my 2TB loli H mangos collection, maybe encrypt it
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>>720655790
Look into your area to see if theres discords for the cons or just groups in the area, like 'east coast con losers' for a made up example, but alot of it will come down to just being there in person and meeting people from the fandoms you like.

Definitely have a nice cosplay and actually make it look good, iron it and whatnot, because the effort will show. Normal clothes are NPCs that go unnoticed. A nice cosplay from something you love will be an icebreaker itself as people come up to you because of it. A story involving that since you asked

>At anime central cosplaying Gorou because its his birthday weekend
>Run into other Gorou cosplayers and we take pictures together real quick
>Insta is the default con app for connections so we add eachother, btw no one will feel offended if you ask for theirs if you were just chatting and taking pics
>Later the con is over, i message him the pics we took, talk a bit, mutually agree to move it to discord because thats easier
>Talk about future cons ensues, weeks later I invite him to come to another local one, he invites me to come to others
>I end up flying out and rooming with him and his friends at Katsucon because of it, he comes to some local ones rooming with me, he meets my friends, our social circles grow
You will not make friends at every event. its random. the perfect person could be at the same event and you just never run into eachother with how big a building is. But you will by random chance meet people you vibe with so long as you can talk and have a nice outfit
i want to post a pic but this is really off topic as it is but you can do it
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>>720644915
The opinion of fags do not matter
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>>720648425
I can guarantee that this nigger MAYBE exercises
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>>720626318
>Soul vs soulless
Lol.
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>>720653491
It is. They would feel perfectly at home on /v/era, not here. They can and should kindly fuck off.
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>>720648425
What the fuck would you "study" the bible for? Its just telling you to verbally suck off some Jewish 'god' you need to study that
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>>720657549
Who cares when your dead it isn't your problem anymore. If your PC is password protected they will likely format the hardrive anyways since it isn't worth trying to get around
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>>720648425
>hobbies anon recommends: 12
>hobbies anon practices himself: 0
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>>720637360
Im in my mid 20s and i want this
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>>720633975
>prenuptial agreement
Oh my niave little 14 year old. You have absolutely zero idea what your talking about
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>>720657327
Cool, we can play MK9 when you get here.
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>>720638279
>Men don't have support networks you retard
Im sorry youve never had a true friend
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>>720638279
t. Dickbag who everyone hates but tolerated because society or something
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>>720627132
That's actually comfy.
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>>720651972
Anon i think you might just have awful taste in women
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>>720657327
go get a towel then you slob
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>>720626691
The aroma.
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>>720649073
@FBI
@NINTENDO
DO SOMETHING
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>>720657565
Thanks anon, I really appreciate it. Do post the pic though, I'm interested
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>>720648738
>>720626691
This
Peak 90s
The PC was either in the living room or somewhere hidden
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>>720628025
Depressed is not a good thing
You need some other hobbies as well, especially when slaving for 12 hours you need some fresh air
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>>720627132
First it was the game room, next it will be the cuck shed, when will his wife come for next?



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