>get abandoned during time of need>seek help elsewhere>"NOOO HOW FUCKING DARE YOU FUCKING URKS TRAITOR SHORT UMGAK FUCKS AAAAAHHH BOOK BOOK GOING INTHE BOOK"Chadi Zharr did nothing wrong.
God even video game lore discussion is subject to this retarded way of speakingIt doesn't make me wanna discuss video games it makes me wanna put you back in the baby pen you actual child
>now worship a god that hates them, get turned to stone for being retardsI like Chaos Dwarves, but let's not pretend they aren't self destructive.
>>720630548Does Hashut hate them? I thought he was just mostly indifferent
Quick reminder that Hashut used to be an ancestor god.
>>720630532someone's a little angry today
>>720630548That whole stone thing is because the ancestor gods are autistic faggots.
>>720630548>Hashuth has Ogres, Ratmen, humans, elves, orcs to pick from.>finds the most magically resistant race instead, and literally saves them from chaos and orc invasions while teaching them how to fuck up daemons enough to use as power source instead.Hashuth is an asshole, but you cant say he doesnt cherish his favourite subjects. Also CDworfs made a pact with Hashuth, it wasnt just "Lol, u slave now" type of deal the main 4 offer shitty humans.
>>720630479i dont see a dwarf here i see only a SHORT SHORTS
>>720631620we like short shorts
>be oldest ally of the dawi>dawi never warn you about their insane psycho cousins until they start bombing your citiesThank fucking Sigmar we can outrange them
>>720630479Need more Chorf shortstacks to step on me,
>>720630548Hashut is based and doesn't fuck over his worshippers like the other four Chaos gods.
>>720632743Even talking about the Dawi Zarr to the Dawi is a grudge causing offence.
>>720630548Do you think Chaos Dwarves get the short end of the stick (heh) because they're so deeply tied to a chaos God that ISN'T one of the big four and GW doesn't want to fucking try to think about developing a non major chaos entity and it's relations with its primary benefactors?
>>720632776
>>720633754This.Gotrek once tried to dunk on Teclis for Dark Elves existing, then nearly had a meltdown when Teclis mentioned he knows about the Chorfs.
>regular Dawi population is dwindling>Dawi Zharr population is slowly increasingTurns out not adhering to grudges bullshit and the slayer oath is a recipe for success, who knew
>>720630479Worshipping evil gods is bad.
>>720630548>aren't self destructive.Literally the only dwarf faction that is actually growing and had a chance to survive Endtimes in their obsidian super-hive. Also one that wont force its members into a suicide cult, since you can redeem yourself in the Infernal guard, instead of just charging a troll shirtless.
>>720633892I think Chaos Dwarves are not developed since it was written in the same age Pygmies were, and once someone notices a race of big nosed, slavering, greedy and evil race that worships "Tottally not Hashem" called Hashuth, the Oy Veying will cause them to be canceled.
>>720633892GW has had a weird relationship with the chorfsThey released the models back in 4e (which were ugly as sin), but only released the army lists piecemeal in copies of White Dwarf and then seemed surprised that nobody was buying themSame thing happened with the Forgeworld models. They were much better quality, but lol Forgeworld prices and also hope you kept those copies of White Dwarf around, because we're not republishing that shit.What I'm seeing is it is took CA doing their DLC to bring the chorfs back to life and give them a substantial fanbase
>>720633892>and GW doesn't want to fucking try to think about developing a non major chaos entity and it's relations with its primary benefactors?Anon, Chorfs just got brought back in AoS with their Hashut worship fully intact and celebrated.
>>720633892Weird shit to say in the middle of GW releasing stuff with Hashut 's name on it while also doing some major shake ups to his lore in relation to dwarfkind
>>720633937>>regular Dawi population is dwindlingThat's not the case, though? The previous age was called the Age of Silver precisely because their empire was slowly rebuilding itself, followed by the current Age of Reckoning.
>>720634190>What I'm seeing is it is took CA doing their DLC to bring the chorfs back to life and give them a substantial fanbaseWarhammer Fantasy in a Nutshell. GW have been consistently doing dumb shit to try and squeeze more money out of not only the fanbase, but CA as well. Most recently they put the squeeze on CA to try and get them to give up the publishing rights for Total War Wahammer, because GW is scared that people will play that instead of buying their incredibly tabletop stuff for The Old World, which they have collosally mismanaged with terrible rulesets that require anyone playing to homebrew half of it.
basically every chaos aligned faction gets to be fucking op because they can ignore needing food and survive endlessly off nothing with no explaination (skaven are the biggest offenders)
>>720634401It's legendary how after knowing full well bad rules killed wfb and taking over 5 years to develop it they still released ToW in a borderline unplayable state with whoever's big expensive dragon dies first loses
Based Dwarfs
>>720633937>Survive the Cataclysm, trapped in Uzkulak tunnels with eldrich beast they to this day dare not touch, their numbers dwindled.>Manage to build Zharr-Nagrund and explode their population in extremely quick time>Black Orc rebellion nearly kills the entire city and the race is reduced drastically>Get their numbers back extremely quickly to once more regain control over Dark Lands.>Meanwhile, regular Dwarves just jerk off in their intact holds and still manage to slowly wither away.Say what you will about them, Chorfs are right on how retarded Ancestor cult is.
>>720634536I wish the K'daai Destroyer was better in the game because what a fucking design
>>720634230necron chorfs is they real
>>720634651The roar of that thing in the chorf trailer goes so fucking hard.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTFywoAXuQU
>>720634401Wait... They did what?!
>>720634401Source: It came to me in a dream
>>720634439Tbf in the case of chorfs, the part that can survive off nothing is the non-chaos greenskins. In a way they're sorta a crop.
>>720634813Not him, but in the wake of TWW2's success, GW announced they were bringing back tabletop Warhammer Fantasy as The Old World, which they then went quiet about for a while.A few years later, in the wake of TWW3, Old World launched with Bretonnia v Tomb Kings and a ruleset that was, honestly, a bit lacking.This was followed with several major missteps, namely;>Confirming several Fantasy factions wouldn't be returning (Particularly; Dark Elves, Lizardmen, Skaven, and Vampire Counts)>Massively gouging the prices for models, something that killed OG Fantasy>Many factions that were coming back were only getting token releases with less than a handful of new models, and most retaining ugly and overprices old models>The ruleset was a customized version of a divisive edition of Fantasy, one which encourages heavy leaning into wizards and big monsters who can both wipe units out on a whim (thereby making the expensive mandatory line units useless)>The infamous Cathay releaseTOW isn't in danger of dying again, but that's now mostly just due to GW having more income rather than a huge popularity boom.
>>720635215>The infamous Cathay releaseqrd?
>>720635215>The infamous Cathay releaseWhat was infamous about it? People seem to be into the models
>>720635215>A few years later, in the wake of TWW3, Old World launched with Bretonnia v Tomb KingYou forgot the part when it was announced before TWW3 and showed off re-done Kislev as it's brand new selling point along the hype for the game.ToW was delayed several years after TWW3 came out instead of being a tie-in and Kislev hasn't released
>>720630479do chorfs have any friends?i want to roleplay a little in my campaignwho would make a good faction to make friends with
>>720635369>>720635380He probably means all the Chink dick sucking lore changes that i don't think anyone has liked.
Is Old World still popular? All I see people playing at my lgs are 40k and AoS
>>720635512They don't really have any friends, but they have healthy business relations with the chaos warriors given they make all of their armour in return for slaves and gold
>>720635547>>720634586stop bullying skaventhey didnt do anything wrong wrong
>>720630479Reminder that chaos dwarfs turn into normal dwarfs when they dieCan't even go into the book of grudges, it'd have to be the book of disappointments otherwise.
>>720635512Mostly other chaosfags and ogres.
>>720635369>>720635380Not so much the models or rules, but the lore behind Cathay was so laughably awful and biased that it almost defied belief.>The Dragon Emperor is the greatest wizard ever>Cathay invented gunpowder and traded it to the Dwarfs. Cathay has much better gunpowder weapons.>Cathay has the strongest wizards on the planet, including the High Magic that Asur use>Cathay is essentially a utopia compared to the Empire. There is no political strife, every village has a bounty of volunteers, and Cathay's base militia are as good as the Empire's elite because of standardized training>Cathay has the best craftsmen and smiths on the planet. The average Cathayan soldier is better equipped than even Dwarf and Elf soldiers
>>720635215What infamous Cathay release? Cathay faction and figures look great.
>>720635582Was it ever? Only Cathy models i saw in the wild was the big statue guy being a proxy for a giant in an AoS army
>>720635484More fantasy properties need to utilise crazy Babylonian/Assyrian aestheticsPure kino
>>720635512As a race? No. They deal with everyone however, and are still dwarfy enough to honour contracts and promises. And they will return debts and help.Ikit Claw was trained by Daemons-smiths in exchange for a favour he did to them, and that pretty much started clan Skryre that they are sorta-neutral with.There is an Ogre tribe called Ironbellies that is friendly with Chorfs.Despite the Black Ork rebellion, it only failed because there were Black Orcs still loyal to Chaos Dwarves during it. And there are still BOrcs in Zharr Nagrund, if not in same numbers as pre-rebellion.Only ones deeply hostile are High Elves, who keep them from dominating the seas with their steam ships.
>>720635723Dude, Dude listen to me, read any army book from time of fantasy and you will learn that every faction is best in everything, at least according to they army book. Army book and journals are written from faction stand point and propaganda and always say that that faction is the best of the best. People this day learn about things only from YT of redit instead of source material and don't have their own opinion as yt tell them what to think.
>>720635879>steam shipsfuck that sounds cool
>>720635981Whats cooler is that High Elf fleet manages to still sink them with wooden ones routinely.
>>720635723None of this is true>The Dragon Emperor is the greatest wizard everHe was canonically scared shitless of both the Old Ones(hence the hiding in Cathay) and Nagash. Canonically, Lord Kroak is still the strongest wizard in the setting.>Cathay invented gunpowder and traded it to the Dwarfs. Cathay has much better gunpowder weapons.Ok this one is true, but that's because Dawi are super traditional and invent something only every 10 thousand years.>Cathay has the strongest wizards on the planet, including the High Magic that Asur useFalse>>Cathay is essentially a utopia compared to the Empire. There is no political strife, every village has a bounty of volunteers, and Cathay's base militia are as good as the Empire's elite because of standardized trainingFalse>>Cathay has the best craftsmen and smiths on the planet. The average Cathayan soldier is better equipped than even Dwarf and Elf soldiersIncredibly falseI don't like Chinkland either, but let's not lie.
>>720636048how do they do it?are high elves actually amazing at naval combat?
>>720636049>/v/ lies about Warhammer to cause outrageWow. Welcome to every warhammer thread ever, get used to it Cheng
>>720635723>The Dragon Emperor is the greatest wizard ever>Cathay has the strongest wizards on the planet, including the High Magic that Asur useThese are the most egregious points. The Slann are the strongest magic users, no question. Second should be high elves. Fucking Chinese fellating garbage retcons.
>>720636143Magic, Dragons, totally explored all seas, "friendly" sea god. Only reason other races can explore the seas at all is at the behest of High Elves.
>>720636237I think, at least on average, Lords of Change are the strongest wizards in the setting.
>>720635582It was never really popular. Not particularly unpopular, but it's definitely the weakest of GW's 'main four' games, in part due to price of entry and model quality.
>>720636318No thats Slann
Watching this cathay discussion, I think there is a severe rift between written canon and gameplay canon. Where cathay units need good stats to be fieldable, so some players see this as canon, while others adhere more to books and other written canon, where its not as clear cut.
>short races are evil and stupid>tall races are good and intelligentNoticing
>>720636237WRONG.Skaven are the strongest-best wizards in the setting. Strongest-best warriors too, yes-yes.
>>720636390Only writen canon is like 1 book that came out few months ago. That's why tabletop purists didn't even consuder them a real faction with its roster being made up on a spot.
>>720634536these hats are miniscule
>>720636392We all know (((they))) are behind it
>>720636392>>tall races are good and intelligentOgres and Giants.
>>720636447Skaven do have the best assassins
>>720636447Wrong
>>720636481Well yeah, that is doing them no favours either. I think people tend to also forget that factions took years of novels, short stories, army books and other media before they got well fleshed out, so people had little things they could latch on. I doubt its possible to just launch a new faction and have it compete on the same level as decades old ones.
this thread is making me want to reinstall Warhammer 3 and play another Astragoth campaign
>>720636573If they die-perish they were never proper skaven to begin with
Is Morgan Bernhardt good in this series?
>>720635913>you will learn that every faction is best in everythingdoesnt the empire canonically lose against beastmen in their army journal scenario? or was that wood elfs idk
Fuck chaos, dwarf, humans, spaghetti idc fuck chaos always and everywhere.
>>720636491Animals aren't races.
>>720636737
>nuCathay is a gay and uninteresting mishmash that refuses to risk offending the chinese in any wayit could be worseit could be nuKislev
>>720636938dude bears dude ice dude kvas lmao
>>720636447I like the funny rat men. They are like Saturday morning cartoon villains if said villains were actually capable of achieving lasting successes.
>>720636938is it supposed to miss?
>>720636938At least Kislev is still a shithole where everyone is miserable or dead. Cathay is literally sunshine and rainbows.
>>720636769Wrong.
>anti-China Americans seething that notChina's lore is a bunch of goofy propaganda that makes literally 0 sense if you think about it for longer than 5 secondsactually unironically acquire media literacy
>>720630704No, it's because their bodies have been designed by the old god to resist chaos. Casting too many spells will do that to them because that's how the Old Ones designed them
>>720637064Its not, yet it does constantly. To extreme heartache.Worst is that its a targeted missile spell, not a "point at ground and hope enemy stays still for 6 seconds" spell. You target a unit and let it loose. Yet for some reason the "Limited" bear-shot just fucking veers off occasionally.
>>720636982
>>720637341does katerin corruption mod still worki should make a loverslab account
Total War 40k or Total War Age of SigmarPick your poison. Not choosing is not an option.
>>720634190It's what happens when your army isn't popular, but someone still wants to update it.
>>720637471The one with the big chungus bears
>>720637341At least Catherine did not get hit with the ugly stick like Isabella Carstein, Aranessa Saltspite or that Nuln wizard.
>>720637471Total War Tamriel
>>720637471Age of Sigma because it has chorfs
>>720634401>Most recently they put the squeeze on CA to try and get them to give up the publishing rights for Total War Wahammer, because GW is scared that people will play that instead of buying their incredibly tabletop stuff for The Old WorldIt's comical how long it took them to realize people into vidya will not by default move into minis.
>>720634230the color-scheme is disgusting-repulsive
>>720636718Losing a battle is one thing, saying that x unit is best of the best of the very best is another thing. For example according to VC blood knight are the best cavalry in entire world. Also according to Bretonnia, grail knight are the best cavalry but acroding to HE the best cavalry is... You see where it is going?
>>720637471AoS because 40k is shit and the fans are insufferable
>>720637572It's comical how you believe that made up bullshit
>>720637590They're trying to keep each Chaos God separated by color, so Red/Gold can't be official for Hashut when Khorne already has it.Khorne is RedTzeentch is BlueNurgle is GreenSlaanesh is PinkHashut is PurpleGreat Horned Rat is Shit Brown
>>720636718Maybe the anon is confusing that an army book glazing a unit to be the best ranged unit in the army book does not apply across all units in the game period. Like if handgunners are considered the best ranged unit, its for within the empire faction, and not compared to all ranged units.
>>720637709It's very real. Reason why Mark of Chaos got lobotomized army painter was precisely because of GW's fear.
>>720637471age of sigmar at least works fundamentally because of the scope of combat40k is retarded because the combat scale is not suitablea 40k game is more likely because its currently hip on reddit and twitter so they'll have a lot more initial buyers who don't care about quality
>>720637558Just wait for chaos votann, normal votann is halfway there already
>>720637720>the great horned rat looks like a fucking beastmanthe lead artists need to be leaded
>>720637720Why not black with red highlights?
>>720634230>female chorfsthey just can't help themselves
>>720638024Black is Archaon's color.
>>720634190Well the Forgeworld models were basically Drahzaoth the Ashen's Infernal Guard + K'daai units, which is why they look completely different from the rest of the roster.
>>720638024you always have to keep in mind how the color scheme actually works for painting. black base is always difficult to get fine details out of.
>>720638024Black is Undivided
>>720630548Ironically Hashut doesn't fuck his subjects over (much) because he's too weak to afford it.The big 4 do not give a shit about their worshippers because they don't matter in the slightest, while Hashut and Belacuck are both just daemons with ideas above their station.
>>720638076at least there's no gay dwarfs for now
>>720638154I'm sure its just one supplement away
>>720638127>black base is always difficult to get fine details out of.This. It took me a while to realize that priming with black is a colossal pain on heavily detailed models.
>>720638154Its a weird oddity that the canonically gayest character Fantasy got was Queek Headtaker
>>720638024Black is Archaon and White/Silver is Belakor
>>720638142>while Hashut and Belacuck are both just daemons with ideas above their station.Don't all daemons and warp entities exist in well, the warp? What's preventing something like Khorne from just warp killing a much more minor warp entity like Hashut?
>>720638290Mannlet gives him good competition
>>720634651what are you saying? it's pretty good with some hellforge upgrades. mine once soloed the slayer legendary lord which was kinda surprising
>>720630479>get abandoned during time of needMore like due to all the Chaos shit that was happening, the Ancestor Gods couldn't answer because they were too damn busy keeping the hordes of daemons at bay.>seek help elsewhereOh yes, I can understand that they would be in a situation so damn bad that even Ancestor God worship and their traditions were not enough.I mean for them to start to worship a minor Chaos God...one can imagine what they went through that broke them. Dwarfs. A folk you'd think that cannot be broken.>"NOOO HOW FUCKING DARE YOU FUCKING URKS TRAITOR SHORT UMGAK FUCKS AAAAAHHH BOOK BOOK GOING IN THE BOOK"Pragmatism for the sake of survival. That could be understandable with the OG Chaos Dwarfs that started to worship Hashut. Buuuuut...>Chadi Zharr did nothing wrong....yeah no. While I can understand their ancestors, the later generations did everything wrong. While the OG 1st gen Chaos Dwarfs worshiped Hashut and did horrible stuff, it was all for the sake of survival.Current gen Chaos Dwarfs however took it all, cranked up to 11 and did everything wrong.>>720638076Female Chorfs are a thing. There are also troops called Harridans and they are essentially berserker zealots who hit menopause.>>720634651Should've had some of its upgrades from Monstrous Arcanum. Stuff like metallic wings for flight and damage reflection.
>>720638249It's kinda hilarious how Stormcast are Marines without the actual popularity. Nobody at GW really wants to work on them but executives mandates force them to, so they either get lazy and do the bare minimum or they hand it out to some intern who tries to make it 'special' while having no clue about what they're doing.
>>720638352Nothing. Just like nothing stops all the minor warp entities from running to Slaanesh for protection and helping him kill Khorne in an uneaven battle and loot his domain for their own minor godhoods.
>>720638290old manfred was really fucking gay but thats what you get for being a lahmian slave. if you mean gay but also having a model then yeah I cant really think of any but the empire did have a multiple shitty books that tried to cover lgbt stuff.
>>720638290There's also Khalida and Neferata being weirdly /u/ in ET
>>720636049Don't forget that there are a ton of Tzeentch cultists, the Onyx Crowmen spy on people non-stop and the Dragon Emperor's family is all dysfunctional despite all loving one another.Oh, and
>>72063835240k and Fantasy warp are different. In 40k, 4 big ones are surpreme and devoured/subsumed all other god-constructs so much that Emperor just tried to ban any worship since they are all simply masks to main 4.In Fantasy, human and Elf gods still hold their ground, Dwarf Ancestors are somewhere in Glittering realm, Great Maw is some cosmic horror, Cathayan dragon gods still walk the earth and Hashuth is locked underground somewhere, trying to get into mortal realm. In Fantasy, Big 4 are not as dominant that they get competition from Horned Rat.
>>720638249It's always with that fucking haircut tooIf you're going to make a trannoid xim/xer abomindation at least stick a cool helmet on it so I don't have to look at it
Chaos dwarves are just manlet Iron Warriors
>>720638715Vashtor's existance and goals directly disprove your post
>>720637071Lie.Cathay is fucking dysfunctional.With Onyx Crowmen spying on people due to there being a ton of Tzeentch cultists.Hell, one city, no matter how many time they purge it, gets re-infested with cults.And the Imperial family? Dysfunctional as fuck.
>>720638474Main AoS rules designer has an army of them and wrote the 3e rule book to make spamming his favourite unit OP
>>720638715>In 40k, 4 big ones are surpreme and devoured/subsumed all other god-constructs so much that Emperor just tried to ban any worship since they are all simply masks to main 4.Nah, other Gods still exist.Gork and Mork only care about fighting each other because they're far above the Chaos Gods.The Eldar Gods still live on within Slaanesh, and were even regaining power until the Ynnari debacle.A Goddess of the Greater Good is in the midst of being created by the Tau Empire's auxillaries.
>>72063871540K still has post-chair big E himself, Vash'torr and Cegorach among others.
>>720637162>that pic
>>720637902But they both have horns and they both have fur. It's a bazingalicious reference. They're connected like in that evolution thing it's good lore yes-yes.
>>720630532many toursts think you can't have a honest discussion thread so they always need to act retarded. it's sad being ashamed
>>720638474funnily enough I think modern marines are in a similar state but they have the advantage of being in an older, more entrenched game system and being part of a long running poster boy faction so their rules will always be strong and the faction will always be popular to playprimaris designs and lore range from bland to ridiculous and stupid but their greatest sin is stripping out all the character that marines are supposed to have as an ancient esoteric warrior orderhaving a suit of power armor pieced together from different marks and designs that represents the character's history as well as the chapter's, the prestige of being able to bear such relics into battle, while also nodding to the notion of older marks of armor being better because of millennia of stagnation?weapons from the chapter's armories that carry much of those same qualities?nah fuck that everyone gets shiny new standard gear from cawl that's just as good or better with barely any of the downsides and limitations that made playing marines even half interesting we aspect marines now
>Fantasy is a planet in a warpstorm cut off from the rest of the galaxy in 40k>40k is wholly contained with an orb forgotten on some wizard's shelf in Fantasy
>>720638906idgi
>>720638965Someone should post the original.
>>720638965It's a meme you dip
>>720630479>>720632743So how much of a Chad was Sigmar?
>>720639076what's with the pizza then?
Daddy
>>720639146Pretty chad, but less of a chad than Settra
>>720639146zeromore like Nigmar
>>720639146According to the Cathy tome, he needed to be taught everything by the Chinese who traveled West and found him
>hashut is the chaos god of tyranny>chaos god of tyrannyIsn't that an oxymoron
>>720639146a barbarian warlord who united human tribes and kicked everyone's ass so hard he laid down the foundation for the empire. dwarf bros helped him along the way and, most importantly, sigmar had the good sense to actually die and write himself out of the story.
>>720639275The nipple-rings of Hashuth are a very odd detail.
>GW tried to do the End Times before the End Times>But it was player battles that determined how things went >GW's golden boy, Chaos, lost every battle in a stomp of epic proportions >Said none of those counted and then let the people vote who would win the final battle>Chaos lost again by a landslide >GW throws a fit and deems the whole thing noncanon, forcing the End TImes to happen later and had to make everyone a retard for it to happen.
>>720639146Last I interacted with Fantasy in any serious way there was some peasant who they thought was Sigmar Reborn and he kicked the shit out of Archaon to stop a huge ass invasion but the Empire decided they really didn't want Sigmar Reborn so they shanked him with warpstone in his bed and told everyone he died from his wounds like a martyr
>>720639275BARA BARA
>watching a video about hulk ending up in 40k>the nanosecond he hits an ork world, it triggers a fucking cataclysmic WAAAAAGH!>khorne sends a daemon prince and spurs hulk to turn orks on chaos
>>720630479I'm surprised the jews aren't angry about this. The chaos dwarves worship Moloch for fuck's sake. By the way, is TW:Warhammer III adding more armies in the future?
>>720639365Zhuvassin is/was the Chaos God of Atheism
>>720639146Turbo.Everything he did was as a baseline human, including giving Nagash an impromptu retro phrenology session, and unlike Nagash all he had to work with was a bunch of barbarians.
>>720639527warhammer 3 is in a odd fucking state and I wouldnt be surprised if it dies before 2026
>>720639487link? sounds kino
>>720639435>GW's golden boy, Chaos, lost every battle in a stomp of epic proportionsThis is just blatantly untrue, it was like 60/40 in favor of order.
>>720639435I know people bitch about marinewank nowadays, but god damn the chaos shit got obnoxious before the BL writers got forcibly 'tard wrangled.
>>720630637Doesn’t hate em’, but he’s not a benevolent benefactor either.
>>720639365Chaos are emotions, wanting to rule others is one of them
>>720639527What can they meaningfully still add? Dogs of War?
>>720639621What are they doing? This game came out 4 years ago, and it has jack shit.
>>720636573I want to fuck that bratty elf so bad bros...
>>720639435what GW could not understand is that during the time they were running those campaigns the rules for Chaos were mediocre at best
>>720639642>but god damn the chaos shit got obnoxious before the BL writers got forcibly 'tard wrangled.You have no idea. 5th edition chaos in fantasy was written to be more fucking apocalyptic and inevitable than anything.
>>720639435It was the right call just in a very spiteful and retarded way. GW weren't competent enough to make fantasy battle good.
>>720639694it's clear they're working on the next big game whatever it actually is
What's the most fun campaign in tw3 in your opinion?
>>720639686Araby was the big meme pick, right? Did they add that yet?
>>720636318It's a bit inconsistent.Sometimes Greater Daemons are treated as walking apocalypses. and the fate of entire factions can be altered by a single one manifesting into reality.And also sometimes a random slayer beats like 3 of them in a fight.
>>720639365Chaos isn't chaotic, it's just a name
>>720639813>TW:Age of SigmarOh god no...
>>720630532But think of the children anon!
>>720639275so, is hashut just the inbetween khorn and tzeentch?
>>720639686Araby, pygmies, not-japan, the Tong, the "Man beast" armies of southern chaos waste.There are factions within existing races that could be fleshed out and made distinct more.
>>720639829Ikit Claw
>>720630532Awww is the wittle huggy wuggy angwy? Come here my little schumpkin I've got hugs for ye.
>>720639829GolgfagJust fightin and munchin round the world for whoever, wheneverr
>>720639880Nah, he's his own thing
>>720640025>golgFAG MANeateryikes...how im gonna make my youtube shorts with this name?? hello geedubs??
>>720639829Ikit for pure nuke magic.Gorfag is fun time of just smashing shit and not worrying about capturing settlements.I enjoyed Vampirates in 2, but they have been so overlooked in powercreep that you need decent mods to make it enjoyable.
>>720639880He's not even a Chaos god anymore
>>720640093i mean philosophy wise
MEATRITUAL
>>720630532relax it's fun
>>720637186No they're just boring and too sanitized for Warhammer, they need a layer of grit. I compare battle panoramas of the Empire and then Grand Cathay and it makes the latter look like a fake AI fanfic faction.They desperately needed the Monkey King in WH3 to add the negative side, which sadly seems to be not happening after CA's big fuckups.t. Britbong
>>720639275IZ DA GOCKSUCKA DA?
>>720639365>chaos god of perfectionnow riddle me this
>>720637186its because I liked Chinese history that I hate modern cathay. They made it super fucking boring nad barely adapted its historical dna with fantasy elements that its just whatever. Its working with raw fucking materials.
>>720640224Not really. Hashuth acts like a Daemon Prince, not a God. Meaning he has concrete goals and objectives he tries to archive in material world, not just gather worship and conquest for the sake of it.His alleged domains are tyranny, industry and fire, but his goal is to materialize into the setting and so needs Chaos Dwarves to help him out and power him with sacrifices. He also does not seek out other races to spread his corruption/worship to.
>>720640224He's really neitherHe's big into tyranny, greed and subjugation, basically a lawful evil type who is perfect for the naturarlly industrious dwarfs
>>720640474Also continuing from this, Hashuths goal is conquest of the Material world by Chaos Dwarves, and is opposed to the big 4 just tearing reality asunder. Its also why he had the chaos Dwarves build a big fucking city made of anti-magic obsidian, taught them to catch and bind Daemons and generally kept them alive and tinkering. Its very likely he is a fallen Ancestor-God of Dwarves who just drank the coolaid to survive the arrival of chaos into the world.He is to Chorfs what Sigmar is to the Empire, in a way.
>>720640420Slaanesh, duh
>>720641070not really. that would be nurgle
chaos demons of law are cool bring them back
chaos demons of harmony and friendship when?
>>720640469reminds me of when we were still speculating on what was going to be 3 on /twg/ before it releasedcathayfags would get unimaginably buttflustered when you told them whatever roster they get is going to be unrecognizable from their old unit entries and probably a complete mess if Cathay was actually added and were adamant that it would be true to Cathay's sparse rootsI wonder where those fags are now with how tonally inconsistent the entire faction is
>>720641143Slaanesh gets all the followers who used to be excessively talented perfectionists, striving toward perfection is part of the whole "excess" thing
>>720641269Peak soul artwork.
>>720641261horned rat duuh.
>>720639829repanse or alberic
>>720641326they're all just selfabsorbed narcicisssssts
>>720641070noooooooo that's not what i meant!!!!!! hmpf hmpf
>>720641261Shallya
>>720630479>Total war warhammer games sell like hot cakes>Get 2 left for dead clones also set in fantasy>Thats itWhere are all the fantasy games? Does nobody know how to strike while the iron is hot?
>>720641598suits are still trying to cash in arena shooters
>shills unironically defend the only release for the year (btw big celebration 25 anniversary year) being a lord pack level dlc, and one that they had to delay by 4 monthsCA is in its utter death throes. This isn’t sustainable. You have to be an absolute retard to be expecting a TW 40K to come out at all, let alone be good.They will tease nagash in december but put out future of wh3 and future of CA before it comes to pass.
>>720641598>bg3 but in warhammerIts literally free billions
>>720641598Owlcat should make a Fantasy game, would be kino.
>>720641598my dream game is chivalry or mordhau but in empire have it be just reikland vs middenland and some pve events where you fight beastman or orks
>finally buy warhammer 3>all the factions suck>want cdorf but they're a separate dlc>half the units to chaos gods are locked behind dlc>end up playing factions i already owned
>>720641669We know why CA has been enshittified
>>720641598striking the iron that's hot would be shitting out 40k games which is what everyone is doingWarhammer Fantasy interest is rekindled thanks to total war and vermintide but it still pales in comparison to 40reddit in the normalnigger gestalt
>>720641780I'm shocked nothing WFRP was ever adapted.
The real move would have been to delay ToT by like an extra but shit out the neferata solo dlc really quick.At the minimum it woulda been a ‘well they put SOMETHING out’
>>720641815this but beastmen vs skaven and some pve events where you fight-rape empire and bretonnia
I picked this up like 2 weeks ago and got all the orc and chaos dlcFirst win was with Azhag with only me, goldtooth, skulltaker and fateweaver on the map I didn't even realise i'm up to like 90 hours alreadyThis shit is like crack man
>>720641912wfrp wouldn't make for a good game anon. No matter how you try to adapt it. Not even when it was good in 2e.
>>720640025>take contract>be a roving asshole for a few turns>dodge all responsibility and fuck off to the far side of the globeI like his style.
>>720639146Sigmar was so cool Dwarves decided that humanity as a whole cannot be put in the book of grudges so instead they go by individual. They don't tend to do that for any other race.
>>720641883Sadly this is trueNorms cream themselves over space marine no. #5734590 model on sale now so more slop for the slop pile it is
>>720641598?there's plenty AoS games :^)
>>720641860>making more monsters would cost too much we can only release so many at a time please understand small indie company>btw we're going to waste 200 million bongbucks on an irony poisoned nostalgia tranny shooter we're not even going to release because we're so ashamedcompletely deranged
>>720641976I think it would be a great CRPG where you cannot use combat for filler content because every encounter is deadly.
>>720642061funny how the not-jews, the not-germans, the not-russians and the not-french get along in this world
>>720641750bg3 was kinda shit albiet
>>720641598they should re-make Warhammer Online. Only instead of slotting into Warcrafts "only 2 factions" shit, have every faction a separate entity that could fight any, including itself.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JglnSrfJtyQ
>>720642225>mmos >in 2025 Culturally, the world can not accept that as it is rn.
>>720640025>>720642031propping up minor factions against LLs that usually get very strong is fun as fuck. I love getting an early contract with the minor that's meant to be like the central government of Cathay or whatever and kicking Vilitch, Snikch and Lokhir's teeth in for 10 turns
>>720641780Supposedly GW whores out 40k to any indie that asks, I don't get why they don't do the same for fantasy. There are so many different types of games you could make.
>>720642324I like saving Hochland from Festus early on then claiming The Brass Keep as an extra 'reward'
>>720642137I would not be so offended if it wasn't being excited for fucking primaris designs
>>720642216ok it's free money after you pay for a $300M advertising campaign
>>720642305True, but ideally it would be such a fresh grimderp setting to balance out the kiddyfication of Warcraft online.
>>720630479why are chorf threads the only warhammer fantasy threads that stay alive?
>>720642374they have to be careful with how they handle the fantasy license because they're still trying to patch together aos and the old worldthe 40k license is more free because there's a pretty simple list they have down of new marine units you need to shill to qualify for the license
>>720642374It's because it's not as popular, that's itTW and VT (more the former than the latter) forced their hand into making The Old World which they've done in the most half-arsed way possible because they've got no faith in Fantasy
>>720634651fucking monki
>>720641883Games workshop brought back tabletop fantasy for the first time in decades. This is as good as its going to get, and devs should capitalize on it.
>>720642510HashutGODS stay winning
>>720642510They are not plagued by furfaggotry that skaven threads generate or the fetish posting Settras do or blind vietnam posting Gelds threads generate.
>>720642626>mold lines thicker than my cock on these boys
chorfs and ogres are my favorite factions
>>720642628>hobgoblins larping as chorfslmao
>>720642510>>720642628It's very appropriate a meme army would keep chugging along.
>>720642510tranny jannies don't recognize chorfs because they're not popular on twitter as a really grade A evil to the core faction that has been obscure longer than it hasn'tthe new chorfs for AoS may change this eventually if they catch on but I wouldn't hold my breath
>>720642225Like other anon said MMOs are dead genre. Even if it was 10/10 best game ever made it wouldn't matter. You would be better off making an arena shooter.
>>720642438yeah that's another good one, wiping out Festus and then just occupying the northeast of the empire in his place is fun
>>720641883Fantasys interest also plummeted when old world released and they borderline sabotaged it with how dogshit the rules are.>Okay so you spend 2 grand on your near mandatory core troops>They all suck ass and just die to your lord on a dragon/big monster>Oh also movement is STILL dogshit and you can functionally only push your units in a straight line until they awkwardly bump into the unit the other guy put down in front of themIts like someone got hard for 5th edition herohammer (except wizards are kinda shit) but also said "hey lets jam the worst parts of 6-7th in too.
>>720641976If VtM could have good games anything can
>>720642726BasedWish they'd add this big lad in, he gets on well with the chorfs
>>720642879Anon I regret to inform you
>>720642879vtm got two good vidyas, enough to make it plural but definitely not enough to form a reputation around
>>720630548All things considered Hashut is incredibly chill, the stone thing is just what happens when dwarfs try to use magic outside of runes
>>720630637>Does Hashut hate them?He hates everyone and everything.
>>720642879Anon, I........
>>720643104literally me
>>720630479Yeah well, maybe you can stop being evil now that you've got things sorted out? Stop using slaves, maybe downsize a little and chill out.
I don't actually like Immortal Empires and I hate the trend of dhoving so much crap in one campaign. I much prefer total war when it's a small map with relatively few factions. However I also heard RoC is somehow worse than Vortex. Do DLC factions help improve things like they sometimes did in WH2 or is the base campaign just fucked?
>>720643385>Stop using slaveschaos dwarves don't use slaves
>>720642731>how black?>none more black
>>720638715I want the Great Horned Rat in 40k.
>>720637471AoS would work better because Total War really isn't suited towards ranged warfare in 40kAoS does have a problem that it might be difficult or CA to milk it for DLC units, which for some might be an upside!
never used cream installer beforeis there any chance using it for wh3 dlc will get me steam banned
>>720643406I've never done the base campaign in TWW3. I imagine there are probably mods to fix/downsize the number of factions in immortal empires, if thats your issue.
>>720635723I wish the Cathayan Dragons didn't have human forms, even if it is a common trope in Chinese myth. It'd be cooler if the faction just owned the fact they were ruled by Lizards
>>720643406RoC as DLC factions are quite good since they don't have to do the whole realms thing
>>720638715Fantasy generally has much more nuance. I, for one, never got over the absence of the Wizard College in 40k.
>>720643604no, but I think creampie stopped working with last updateuse smokeapi
what sort of person seriously gets into a setting like this
>>720643638Okay Good. The main thing I'd probably want out of it is Conquering the World as Archaon anyway.
>>720643703People who think that Universes Beyond in MTG is good
>>720643703>Tolkien has orcs and bigger uruks>GW steals orks and makes bigger orruks
>>720643689creamAPI is working for me with the blood DLC disabled, haven't put it back in to test
>>720643703Merging Gork and Mork into a singular entity undermines the very fucking concept of Gork and Mork as gods
>>720643851it used to crash on launch, idk maybe it got updated to work
>>720643703>Orruks>Duardin>Aelves>Troggoths>OgorsIt's all so fucking cynical and tiresome
face it, the time of warhammer fantasy games is overtotal war as a trilogy is nearly complete and just needs a few more characters addedvermintide 2 is starting to show its age>well why dont they just make a vermintide 3 or something else?you honestly think GW would let a developer make yet another game in their dead setting compared to AoS?GW needs a big win with AoS that isn't the game itself (which they've been ruining even further...) and quite frankly nobody else wants to touch ittheres no AoS fan animations or anything, its all 40k or fantasy
>>720630479>get abandoned during time of needAll Dawi were "abandoned" during that time. All their communication and trade routes have collapsed. Chorfs are just the only Dawi dumb enough to trust chaos. There are Dawi holds on the border of the Chaos Wastes that suffered much more and remained faithful. Chorfs were just weak.
>>720631461The Great Horned Rat would have fucking suplexed Hashut into oblivion if he tried to steal the Skaven.
>>720643703I do, because Ironjaws have the big pig, and I like the big pigGW copyright names are cancer tho
>be a bad guy faction>discover a sliver of a donut on accident because lmao cults>now i have elvish UN boats sailing towards me 24/7
>>720643856i assume it's a trinity type of situation
>>720643946>Eldar>Ogryn>Squat>DaEmonGlass houses
>>720643960Fat Shark is also sadly inept.
>>720644006High elves will be super weak in a few turns when the dark elves start invading and taking them over.
have they made this look less retarded yet?my bets are on no but I have to ask
>>720643992Despite the shit lore I have to admit Age of Sigmar has some fantastic models. But why the hell did they pick Averland Sunset to be the Orks primary color in the marketing? You put them in red or black and they look way better
>>720643960All Fantasy licenses will expire in 2026. No more Fantasy games will ever be made past that year.
>>720644106what does this even do?
>>720644046>implying I give a fuck about 40K
>>720643960you now remember that this existedcue laughter
>>720643703>Age of smegmar
>>720644046its aeldari and drukhari now CHUD
>>720644046>>Squatwhat are those? russians?
>>720644106idk what that is but the cows are spinnin it. that frozen dude probably just pulls the cord when the lark is ready to gorp.
>>720644178drum go bang for big bombad buff
>>720630479>get abandoned during time of needThey weren't abandoned>seek help elsewhereAnd betray their ancestors along the way?
>>720644223This could have been good, but holy shit did they just make a nondescript game.
>>720644158My personal theory is that no one is buying piss yellow and so GW keeps stuffing them in as much stuff as they can in hopes that someone does, see also enforcers in necromunda I much prefer the red one, Evil Sunz I believe it was called but I might be confusing them with ork klan
>>720630548What makes you say that? I thought Hashut was one of the more symbiotic gods in the setting. Chorfs would probably be long dead without him
>>720643703>Age of Shitmar
>>720644312Kino rino and totally not le unbased 40k rename of dwarfs
>>720644482they actually made a model of this thing?
>>720644413>This could have been good,>rts game designed for consolesNyeeet. It looked pretty and the story that I saw on youtube was okay, but if dawn of war 4 learns nothing from it then its gonna be the bigger flop than dawn of war 3.
they should make a necromunda game, its 40k but goodyes I know necromunda has 2 games and both are pretty shit (one has SOVL though) but come on, a decent game at the very leastlike imagine something like a co-op shooter and your character can be from any gang
>>720644572I don't know which came firstI'm sure there's a surplus of them though
>>720644597>they should make a necromunda game,they have >yes I know necromunda has 2 gamesthere were like 3-4
>>720644572das RITE
>>720644652I know of hired gun and uhhhh...underhive wars? I think it was called
>>720644597>they should make a necromunda game, its 40k but goodThey did, but it's like Mordheim so bitches couldn't handle it.
>>720644482dont worry, the old world stars a Nigerian lady of the lake too now.
>>720644597think she'd step on me if I asked her?
>>720644482>miniature lord of change on a black trannykek
>>720644737Goddamnit
>>720644482I like this guy, personally speaking
>>720644807depends where from the hive you're from
>>720644824glad you could steal it uther
>>720644824He's actually alright, giga nigga with glowing white eyes and beard at least looks cool, not so much the ugly black tranny
>>720644597the problem is that the mordheim/necromunda/gorkamorka formula doesn't work off the tabletopwhen you're against a computer its just a faceless AI that doesn't have its units tracked along the course of the campaign throwing fresh mooks at you every roundits just not fun compared to goofing around with friends at a table where everyone is taking risks and facing consequences
>>720644814Wait. Is that just rebranded WFRP, latest edition or new game altogether?
>>720644824>mfw gw made that article about this model and some black father and how its great theres a model that looks like him for his kids or some shit
>>720644729>van SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR gang
>>720630532Even video game lore discussion?!
>>720632776>Knights of McDonalds
>>720644910It's apparently a new game, I don't know how much of it cribs from WFRP though (I'm sure it does)
>>720644824is this the same black guy?
>>720644902necromunda is a setting in of itselfhired gun had the right idea with an FPS, just that its a eurojank game with a lot a soul
>>720644886Yeah there is some cool stuff, this guy's my favorite, even if assembling and keeping him assembled looks like a nightmare, giganigga also comes with a cool helmet, dunno about the tranny tho, can't find her in the store probably a limited release thing for their shitty shows
>>720644910it's not supposed to be a replacement. just like how 40k has multiple rpg lines so does fantasy/tow now. it does borrow a lot from wfrp and soulbound aka age of sigmar rpg, though.
>>720644814Is that a fucking black Talabecland swordsman/woman/troon?
>>720645182Forgot the pic like a dolt>>720645048Think so, no clue what GW was doing with these strips
>>720645026I would be very surprised if it isn't effectively just a new edition of WHFRP but with the setting's clock turned back a couple centuries.
>>720644824His lore is kind cool>one of the 13 human rulers serving under Sigmar in his battle against Archaon>distracted Archies demon-dragon-horse while Sigmar and Archaon 1v1ed>is the last person to escape back to Azyr after Sigmar lost to Archy>becomes head of Sigmar's anti-Chaos Gestapo stoping demonic incursions into Azyr>dies of old age and gets StormcastedToo bad he basically doesn't do anything in current day outside of technically being in charge of the basic gold guys
>>720645209yes chuddy southlanders are cute and valid
>>720645048No. Comics basically never get real characters
>>720638770Vashtor is a literal baby in the fantasy setting with how behind tech progress is comparatively. Be'lakor took over the forge of souls with no fanfare.
>>720639487hulk in w40k?give me the name, link, anything
>>720645481Be'lakek controlling the forge means nothing. The strength of the forge comes from all the daemon souls that Trashtor owns not from it's production. Even if it was taken over every single Soul Grinder it produces only strengthens Trashtor.
>>720644178>BANG BANG BANG BANG> "COMOOON, CHINKS, SCORE SOME FAAKIN KILLS" >BANG BANG BANG BANG
>>720644423How do you catch all the edges on the armour like that when you highlight? Is it drybrush?
>>720645670morale boost? is it good?
>>720639487Hulk is weak to magic. He would get bodied by a Weirdboy if he Hulk killed enough orks.
>>720645670pic related>CAAAAMAAAAN CAFFAY
>>720644178You know how dark elves have that magical blood cauldron that makes them fight better from the blood sacrifices they make to it? This is the same only it's a cow with a gong. Yeah it's GW running out of ideas.
Reminder that China actively watches over the Cathay army design progress in TOW to make sure no blacks or lesbians are in it (along with "correct" depictions of their culture)
OFFICIAL GW SETTING RANKINGMordheim>WHFB>Necromunda>Horus Heresy>TOW>>>>>>>40k>>>>>>>>>>shit>>>>>>AoSsleeper pick: Gorkamorka you CANNOT prove this wrong>but [thing] wasn't on the list!it's an irrelevant setting then
>>720646085>horus heresy above anything but age of sigmarfound the marvel fan
>>720646085>Horus Heresy at the topAway with you, secondary!
>>720646085>ranking Horus Heresy anywhere but dead last
>>720646085I need to see how you are wired
>>720646085>Horus Heresy that high
>>720639628>make Tomb Kings ally with Chaos for the flimsiest and most retarded reasons>only wins for the Chaos side come from TKshahahaha
>>720646085blood bowl>>>all
>>720646151>>720646182>>720646209i'm talking the horus heresy black book kino, not the cringe daddy issues fanfiction SLOP of black library
>>720646409based
>>720646423So you like blacks, okay, we get it.
sorry /v/ but i like my reddit steampunk skydwarfs, if it makes you feel better i don't call them duardin everi have 2000 points of em with like 600 painted so i need to get painting again
playable ind when sirs
>>720646294>Tomb Kings ally with ChaosIsn't the whole being undead thing a direct response to surviving Chaos?
>>720646619Like others have said there are some fine aesthetics in AoS.
>>720646693Would it be an Empire colony?
>>720646693After I impregnate Miao Ying.
>>720646409>female orcsBloodbowl is woke
>>720646294>Ally TKs for chaosDid they really? Fuck them.
>>720646619I like the idea of the Kharadron but so many of their models look the same I can't get into themGood on you though
>>720646793t.imrik
>>720646693>CA adds ind to the map>filled entirely with nurgle factions
>>720646619>2nd or 3rd largest port got knocked down by Skaven few months agoNot like this skybros...
>>720646746Not really. Undeath was self-inflicted by Nehekharans, it was not a chaos plot. It also fucks up the souls so the gods cant eat or control them(as easily, Blood Dragons are practically Khronates in denial).
>>720646887they got a mini 2nd wave of sorts with their 4th ed release with kind of scrappier looking dwarves with harpoons which helps to kind of pull away from the armored stuffthey're also funny because in-lore they're the broke and desperate kharadrons
>>720646906
>>720638371>Mannfred is Mannfred-sexualFitting.
>>720644069AHHHHHH
>>720646619sunless skies are kinda warming me up to the idea of them
>>720647097you'd probably get a kick out of the drekki flynt books, lots of air nautical travels combined with fights against knowable and unknowable horrors
>>720646746Not really, it just started with Settra wanting to live forever
>>720644413>takes place in the realm known for being full of literal shit>main factions include the sneaky orcs instead of the cool armored ones, ghosts who all look the same, and tzeentch demons instead of khorne onesit's like they wanted the game to be unappealing from the get go.
>>720643604No one has been banned for it yet afaik. Probably not worth the hassle to enforce, and if you're using CreamAPI it means you at least bought the game. On that topic, has anyone ever been banned from accessing their Steam account for some reason?
>>720644006>Be empire>Avoid northren coast like hell, since the assholes in Norsca start invading you the moment they discover you and its a worthless conquest.>some random Norscan Werewolf wanders down for no reason, Norsca discovered>have to conquer Norsca>Discover northren chaos wastes>even more pointless and unvaluable conquest.I both enjoy and find frustration from Norsca. Best course is to just send out occasional invasion armies to just burn their harbors down and focus elsewhere.
>>720647067I'm a fan of the new Khemist taking the sailor+power armor to its logical conclussion of a full on Big Daddy diver suit
>>720644069It can go both ways
>>720647520Ghur is cool when done right. Gnarlwood was on steroids with the crashed spaces ship thing and 2 side games about it, but Wintermaw with its ice wyrms and frozen souls was cool (heh) too
>>720646619>if it makes you feel better i don't call them duardin everAh yes, the trend of using legally distinct names. I'll be dead before I call the IG Astra Militarum.
>>720646081Don't you think GW does that on its own?
>>720646209>>720646275What's wrong with it?
>>720630637No, but he doesn't love them either. He's a pitiless King
>>720648078It's a series about watching bald old men LARP as children
>>720648078>gay>sell out>monothematic>corporat bullshit>doesn't even have good rules anymore
>>720648325>doesn't even have good rules anymoreThat's all modern GW settings, sadly.
>>720648386AoS at least has Spearhead.And i'm guessing 40k will copy it with Combat Patrol 2.0.
>>720646423As it should be.
Ok faggots, recent leaks point to the next Warhammer Quest having Nurgle as the main villain. What do we expect between an elite Blightking and a Rotmire/Poxwalker chaf
>>720635215TOW one of GW's better rulesets right now, it's why it's still seeing more players coming in, whereas the current 11th edition of 40k and AoS 4th edition are struggling to grow
>>720648078daddy issues, bad retcons, plain dumb shit like the Cabal
>>720648625It gets like 30 players on Adepticon, 1 more guy showing up is a "huge" increas
>>720648601i hope the new festus model is good
>>7206480782nd Ed rules were debatable and 3rd Ed seems to just be straight up terrible. And then there's the BL series, which has long overstayed its welcome, going from okayish to unbearable. 1st Ed and Black Book 1-7 were fantastic though.
>>720636143High Elves have the best fleet and ships in the setting
>>720648625>TOW one of GW's better rulesets right nowUnless you happen to like one of the factions on the "fuck you no fun allowed" list, of course.
What the fuck was his problem?
>>720646085Necromunda is better than Mordheim.
>>720649180>be king>palace is made from mud brick>palace (along with the entirety of your kingdom) needs to be remade from scratch every time it rains
>>720641976It would, but it would just end up being a mashup of Disco Elsyium/Darklands with shitter writing and more combat.WFRP 4e could be pretty easily adapted into a CRPG system-wise, so the main issue would be story and tone
>TW thread on a comfy rainy Sunday morningSometimes you're still good /v/
>>720644910No it's different mechanically as it uses D10 pools instead of a percentage system like WFRP
>>720648078its not supposed to be examined as closely and thoroughly as it is and doing so actively hurts the settingbut who cares? I want my big resin brick with a statline that's all 7s
>>720639146One of the weakest legendary figures in the lore. Short list of (born) non-gods that were stronger or achieved more than Sigmar:>Kroak>Anaerion>Nagash>Grimbrindal >Archaeon>Settra>Gotrek>Teclis
>>720649062Supposedly he rides a big monster now, so he'll be at least impressive
Still hoping that edge elves will get some rewrok and DLC in TW3.
>>720650201Demystifying the Heresy and turning the Primarchs into dumb soap opera characters was lame but tolerable, but then going on to make 40k revolve around Primarchs as well was completely fucking stupid and should never have been allowed to happen.
>>720650321>SettraHe didn't achieve anything in his entire lore outside of seething and jobbing.
>>7206490823rd ed RULES are good3ed army lists outside of marines are mostly good
>>720650675He put up a fight against Nagash which the entire old World didn't manage to do
>>720650675t. arkhan the blacked
>>720650935Against a human Nagash. That jobber would get bodied by Teclis just denying him winds of magic from his warstone.
>>720650935when?Settra was long dead by the time Negash rose to power, and they didn't fight until the End Times, at which Point Negash bodied him
>>720650935Nagash isn't an existential threat to reality until AoS when he combines End Times buffs with eating several minor gods
>>720649082Have the books even reached Siege of Terra yet?
>>720650935Settra didn't fight Nagash. He was defeated by a exiled prince of Nehekara. Settra was awoken to bring control to the warring factions of Nehekara into control by Khatep.
>>720651337Yes, but it's shown through the lens of 2 gay lovers having avcrusis in their relationship
>>720644106I like the guy on the front
>>720650613>over a century old demigod super geniuses>most of them act with the maturity and comprehension of teenagers despite each having more experience and intellect than any human has ever had in real life
>>720630532want me to pat you on the back too, snowflake?
>>720651420>but it's shown through the lens of 2 gay lovers having avcrusis in their relationshipQRD?
>>720650613What kills me is 30k has some interesting shit in it.
>>720644069>implyingThe NPCs collude to play in a way that fucks the player over the most. If you ally with them, they will get ran over. If you oppose them, they will be allowed to leave their capital cities undefended with no consequence.It's like this with every faction because they all have an anti player bias.
>>720634230Those aren't chaos dwarfs (only faggots say chorfs), they are some garbage dickless knock-off of chaos dwarfs for a stupid dead game for worthless faggots like you. Literally any 3rd party attempt over the years has been better than that
Hashut bless all of you wise enough to follow him. Do not play the boring ass regular Dwarfs>>720635512Not really, but they trade with everyone and caravans going through their territory pay tolls. In exchange, they make it as safe as possible to go through their lands. Drazhoath patrols those.
>>720653253>Anon talks about GW doing stuff>other Anon posts GW doing stiff>retarded faggot talks about 3rd party shit when that's not the topic
>>720651279Only reason Nagash did not curbstomp the entire world is because rats are spawncamping him religiously.
Nagash was weak
>>720653847I know, it was glorious. Seeing the 4 Chaos gods shit themselves was cathartic after the years of chaos wank
Why didn't GW make any fireglaive chaos dwarfs in the new line Literally the coolest fucking unit, was amazing in TW
>>720640093The only thing he has in common with Khorne is aesthetics. Philosophy wise Hashuts biggest thing is hierarchies and the only Chaos God who cares about those is Nurgle, but where Nurgle believes in a family dynamic based in love, Hashut believes in dominance hierarchies. Also instead of preaching change for the sake of change like Tzeentch he preaches change for industrial progress.Hashut would view Khorne as a mindless barbarian and Khorne would view Hashut like he views everyone i.e. a blood filled pinata.Hashut and Nurgle would despise each other.Hashut would view Tzeentch as a pointless schemer wasting everyone's time and Tzeentch would view Hashut as he views everyone else i.e. a pawn.I don't think Hashut and Slaanesh would really care about each other enough to have strong opinions on each other, their philosophies are different but not necessarily antithetical.
>>720654246I'm mad Shartor doesn't even get a mention, despite technically being the newest named Chorf character and there beign no other Bull Centaur hero with 2 different bulltaur units.Or Horns of Hashut (Chorf human slave/enforcers) being squated despite like 2-3 years old and directly tieing into one of the new subfactions
>>720654408>Hashut would view Khorne as a mindless barbarian and Khorne would view Hashut like he views everyone i.e. a blood filled pinata.You're ignoring the fact all the demon engine tech bullshit was originally Khorne and Hashut used Khorne's stuff like he ued his colour sheme.Khorne is the god of industry from the 4
>>720654246In interviews, they explicitly wanted to do something different with the new AoS model line, not repeat what GW did in the past
>>720654762>getting gifted a suit of armorVs >building all your shit yourself in endless factories dotting the land Khorne has little if anything to do with the physical act of building. Its the polar opposite
>>720654246Elite unit, gw only wanted to do the basic stuff where the only elites are the bulls.
>>720655010Bullshit, it's very by the numbers. The only controversial thing is the base colour sheme being purple and green
>>720655010Sounds gay. Leaning into the "evil gunpowder" aspect of chaos dwarfs is a winning concept in my book. "Evil sentient trains", "demonic artillery" and evil musketry all play into the same thematic strengths, where dark dwarfs simply falls flat as a concept
>>720645737Hulk isn't weak to magic. He's weak to people like Doctor Strange who would curbstomp the 40k universe.There is a fuck all the average psyker could do to even slow the Hulk down.
>>720641750I'd rather have the Warhammer version of Neverwinter Nights.
>>720655068Khorne being a soccer mom that gives his boys everythign they need to murder without rest is AoS thing (technically fem-Khorne is in 40k now, but that's even more recent), he was industrial back when plastic wasn't a thing
As it turns out, seeking help from forces that literally want to destroy the world is not a very smart move.
>>720655425archaon is the only one in that picture that wants the world destroyed thoughever
>>720655197It's by the numbers, but it's not the same as previous model lines
I feel like giving this game a try, where can I torrent it along with any meaningful addons?
>>720655543>bull centaurs>demon smiths>hobgoblin chaf>cannon>demon engine monster>less elite melee unit>elite unit with big gunsOnly thing they're missing is the weird fire djins Forge World Chorfs
>>720655698And LammasuAnd choo choo trains
>>720655489Who gave him the power to do it if not the gods?
>>720655698But they don't have the same aesthetic as they once did, that's the main point
>>720655342Yeah but even when he "was industrial", it's an ancillary thing that has nothing to do with core Khorne themes, which are berserker rage, seeking close battle and slaughter. There's zero cross over from this to industrial policy. An industrialist needs to pay attention to geography, have an interest in suitability of slaves, infrastructure, mathematics, research. Curiosity, autism, ruthless desire to progress and make number go up, often arriving at weird places due to striving towards optimization etc etc Let's also not forget that the Metropolis Moloch scene essentially created the chaos dwarfs and that has zero to do with khorne by itself, on a cultural level - instead having to do with a Briton's imprinted genetic memory of Viking conquest and of being buck broken.
>>720655774Ok so they didn't cram everthign Chorfs ever had into 1 standard releas (trains are a thing already, but art only). Everythign they did get wasn't controversial at all.It's not like when High Elf were re-imagined as Asians practicing Avatar element banding like Lumineth were
>>720655868Science is the opposite of magic. Khorne being the god of technology placed him in the opposition of the wizards he hates.Khonre brought gunpowder to a wand fight
>>720656004I believe main grievences stem fromA.Default color scheme being even worse than Ironjaws oneAnd B.Change in aesthetics, with them being more symmetrical and less, uhhh, mesapotamian looking, which might be a good thing if GW ever decides to bring Chaos Dwarfs to the Old World, which may not happen and if it does its gonna take a loooong time
>>720655425where's slaanesh's face...nevermind.
>>720656759Slaanehs gets to be the only one with canon family tree instead, double hilarious because it lists Morathi as a (parent) with her both being the mom and NOT being the one giving birth and randomly making Malekith a half-sibling to demon gods
>>720639178that was later on when they became friends.
>>720656112There's simply no way to be a khornate industrialist, factory worker or overseer and get anything done. Hence, all the khorne tech stuff is simply magicked from thin air and gifted in a little bag to his cute acolytes by their sugar daddy Hashut is different. The act of being devout involves raping the earth and extracting minerals and working them and so on and so on
>>720654246Because it was a unique penal unit tied to the Black Fortress.
>>720658635What I'm saying is that it's unique and really cool and they should use "dark, heavy armor musket man" to sell miniatures instead of "slightly different regular dwarf with weird colors"
>>720639829I can't stop replaying Ku'gathLove him so much
>>720658920All the Black Fortress units were resin. AOS is allergic to resin models.
>>720658920>slightly different regular dwarf with weird colorsI find it funny that all it takes is more "heroic" colour and they look like good guys. I guess it sort fo fits with their "i use Chaos, but i'm totally not Chaos" lore now, but i doubt that was intended>>720659015He says they should have been directly updated, not that they should have kept the resin ones
>>720639365Chaos isn't chaotic at all, it is simply all emotions and sensation. The Dark King, the greatest of their number, is literally just blind destruction and dissolution. Zhuvassin is fucking Atheism - as in, he's a God who is the belief that Gods do not exist.
>>720659585>The Dark KingRetarded nu-lore
>>720659297I think they won't touch them as they were some of the last things in Fantasy Alan Bligh worked on so there is that respect for his work they won't touch.
>>720651412>He was defeated by a exiled prince of Nehekara.Forgetting someone?
>>720659643Don't reply to me.
>>720659585Maybe in 40k, not in fantasy
>>720659818If they are so great they should have do it themselves. But we all know they lived i fear at the bottom of his fortress fearing he will annihilated them one day.
>>720637692AoS is literally exactly the same but for dumber faggots. Like you, for instance.
>>720639435Didn't Grimgor kick Archeon in the nuts during that event or was that later?
>>720660307That was the funny outcome of the rigged vote. GW later wrote a different story ignoring the vote.
>>720660307He headbutt him
>>720630637>>720643104Why is Hashut the god of hate when Khorne already exists?
>>720638737(And that's a good thing)
>>720660489cuz corn is the god of wrath
>>720660489He is a minor god of tyranny not hatred.
>>720630532If the opposing sides entire argument or point can be broken down and quickly explained by babby speak then what you stand for or point is retarded lmao
It took them decades but they finally nailed chaos voice lines.https://youtu.be/uwmtrDE2WWU?si=peEDHMZ0KHGKnoJ0
>>720660623>ZhatanNah, he is a Big Guy.
>>720659585>getting the atheism god's name wrongYou honor him in this endeavor
>>720660930I love all the Tzeentch voicelines.
>tfw no 10 foot tall mongolian ogre gf
>>720639487>the nanosecond he hits an ork world, it triggers a fucking cataclysmic WAAAAAGH!Hulk leading an Ork WAAAGH is genuinely endgame material for 40k. Not only is he baseline strong enough to beat the shit out of pretty much anyone in the setting, Ork belief and Gork/Mork favor would put him at the same level of juiced as Siege of Terra Horus, if not more. Plus, Immortal Hulk lore would have TOBA essentially eating the chaos gods like Slaaneshi did to the Eldar gods.
>>720661718fake. catay girls are flat in face, chest and butt. that's why ogres don't eat them in the first place
>>720660307STOMP EM IN THE NUTS
>>720639829Skulltaker’s campaign is all gas no brakes the whole way through, zero brain cells required.
>>720634536https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HUWUtTZvK4
>>720634536https://youtu.be/MG4JUS7vGusWhy are evil dwarves so kino?
>>720661718Is there a uh.. Continuation of this?
>>720646085Where is Gorkamorka, Space Hulk, Battlefleet Gothic, Man O' War and Blood Bowl? Fake fan.
>>720660489Spite is mildly different from just hate
>>720663352That anon does mention GorkaMorka
