It's now official This generation of Nvidia was a scam
nigga do i look like i know what the numbers and the lines mean? fucking explain that shit in layman's terms
>no 9060 xt
>>720632116well obviously, it's slightly worse than the 6800xt and 7800xt
>>720631940>runs like shit on all hardware>its the hardware that is at faultHave you perhaps considered that the game has just been programmed like absolute dogshit, and had 0 optimization put into it?
>>720633189Or maybe both the hardware and software are trash, what about that?
>>720631940>This generationDid you forget the 2000 and 4000 series?
>>7206319406800xt bros we still here?
>>720631940>5090 is marginally better than 4090 due to larger ramthat will be 2500 plus tip
>>720631940>9070XT better than 5070Ti and same as 5080AMDchads keep winning
>>720633342Except we know the hardware is better than previous gens by a measurable ammount, so the only thing that would drag it down would be the software. You can easily argue that the % of improvement is not worth the $ amount. But the new hardware is not worse than the old one.So, then we look at the software. Does the game look a lot better than older games. No. Its a marginal improvement, which means it failed at optimization. Where and how it failed, who knows, but hoping hardware solves your issues, is not a sustainable business practice. Since if you want to reach a wide audience, you want to apply the formula of old blizzard. Make games run well on the shittiest software possible.
>>720631940>borderslop 4
>>720632116
>>720633803Consider the increasing size and consumption of 5000 series over previous series. It's criminal they're asking so much money for a few more FPS and giving nothing in return
You will use the multi frame generation and you will be happy
>>720634101Sure, but compare it with older games. Comparing the frames a 3060TI got on Witcher 3 to 5070TI on Borderlands 4, doesn't say much. Here we clearly see that borderlands 4 runs like absolute ass on nearly all but top end hardware. So in this case the software is clearly fucked.But yeah, the current price per power ratio is absolutely fucked.
>the generation of cards is shit because developers can't make good looking and optimized games anymore so it's the hardware's fault
>>720633189it's ue5, what do people expect? for the 100th game with it to suddenly run flawlessly?you might be able to brute force this garbage in 5 years with the latest tech and even then I don't think you'll get rid of the micro stutter shitI remember shit wars: jedi survivor on a 3080ti had microstutters at 720p low settings, ue4/5 slop will always run like crap
>>720634650It's two different problems overlapping.
>>720632081It means you need to spend $2000 (+tip) on a GPU to get a framerate that doesn't look like a slideshow
>>720634684I really want to know how much its actually UE being UE and how much is it devs just letting UE handle everything and never applying some of the performance fixes of ye olden times. Like low poly versions of far away objects, baking in lighting into textures of certain objects, just little things that add up when you have thousands of objects.Sometimes it almost looks like the devs think as long as it "works" the engine should take over, instead of getting it to "work" being only the first step.
>>720631940BADASS
>>720631940>This generation of Nvidia was a scamYou don't say.
>>720634825how can that be if my old gpu i pissed out of my gran's old pc still runs well and nothing looks like a slideshowwtf kinda NASA Moon Landing Hoax Training Simulator games are you lot running for this to be an issue?
>>720634940I believe you can at least somewhat fix this shit engine but you have to fiddle so much with it you could just use another engine that's harder to use in general.Fucking hell I miss the days where most games had their own engine specifically designed for one (or a few) particular games.
>6950xt that lowHoly shit
I got a 4090 through sheer luck at a raffle, and I'm so glad I did, I think it's probably gonna be near-top for years, and it's def a worthy successor to my 1080.
>>720635107Games released in (god forgive me for saying this) 2025
How's the 9070 and 9070 xt for AI gen? Serious question.
>>720633958>the 3080 is 13% faster than the 9060xt 16GB>the actual difference is 4 frames on average and 3 for the 1% lowsI know it's two gens ago, but fuck me.>>720633428Yeah, we're still here.>>720633737Unreal has seen some great optimization for AMD, so console kiddies can play fortnite on it.
>>720631940Runs better than the Vulkanslop Indy game.
>>720633803There is a little bit of a point to what he's saying though. That VRAM on modern GPUs is just dogshit. 16GB should be the entry point, and the high end should be way north of 32GB.
>>720635550You have to get nvidia for AI.
>tfw 1660 superstill not downgrading
>3090 that low
>>720635796No you don't. Rocm has made it to windows. The usual guides work with a few extra steps for AMD.
>>720635849The 3090 was a shit card.
>>720631940>slowpoke.png
don't be mean to randy
>RTX 3070 cannot reach 1080p60 even on medium settings>The game at those settings looks worse than BL3, which runs at similar frame rates at 4k on max settings on the same GPU.
>>720631940I wanted to buy 9070 XT but then I realized before I get through old games I've missed out on they'll make a 10900 XT or something. So I'll just get that.
>>720635690True, I did find it puzzling that they still released 8gb cards at this point. Those are just not a consideration anymore.
>>720631940>[Badass]
>>720631940>TSR Native
>>720636453You could get away with 12 GB 4 years ago, but we're likely getting new consoles in late 2026, and those things will have a minimum, according to the leaks, of 24GB of VRAM. Gaming in 2025 on a 8GB GPU is just self flagellation at this point.
>>720633737And the game is Nvidia sponsored and comes free with 5070+
>>720636675Why would they need 24GB of VRAM when they render at 540p?
>>720631940>5080 can't even get 60 fps
>>7206369185080 is a shitty GPU it's barely faster than the 5070ti while costing $300-400 more
>mfw when boughted buyyed secondhand 4080super for $650Kek, eat shit 5080niggers.
I think the wild part is how Ampere compares to RNDA2 in this game.The 3090 gets outperformed by a fucking 6800 XT on medium, that's fucking insane.This game is an absolute fucking mess.
>>720636918>16 GB $1500 card>Some people boughted this scam>just to perform the same as a $600 amd card
>>720636771For the next gen FSR maybe. AMD has made huge leaps in efficiency for their APUs. Their next top APU is estimated to perform between 4060Ti and 4070 levels. Which isn't great, but considering they were performing at a 1060 level previously, the difference is astronomical. AMD's improvements to their RT technology also places it at better RT than the 40 series, and more on par with the 50 series. Considering how much they can push the envelop on a console, compared to a laptop APU, we could be looking at 4070Ti performance. With FSR 5, I presume, it could run games at 1440p 60fps, or 1080p 60 natively.
>>720637105Again, Unreal has been very well optimized for AMD. That can depends on the amount of nvidia gameworks stuff that get injected into the game, but it is highly likely that AMD will perform better on an UE5 game.
>>720631940not really, it's just that they can't outprogress the devs incompetence
>>720637105>>720637286even in non unreal games amd has the better gaming architecture. nvidia is shit for games on a driver and architecture level since they went full "rops are not important"
>>720634940UE is secretly being funded by Nvidia to run like dogshit but I can't prove it
>>720638757Now show the 9070 vs the 5090.>but the price point!!!!!!Stop being poor. Top end vs top end.
>>720636675>24GB of VRAMof total ram you mean. Consoles don't have vram and normal ram like PC's. They have one and it's shared
>>720631940Well you need the RTX 6090 OverCucked Edition (6GB VRAM ofc) if you want to play modern games brokie.
>>720638865Yep. Ignore the 720638865 faggot.
>>720631940>5080 equivalent of 9070xtNever felt better about a gpu purchase.
>>720636771textures
>>720639102>1080pAt least try.
>>720634940>I really want to know how much its actually UE being UEHave you read Pitchford's twitter posts? These people are so out of touch they actually assume DLSS/FSR should be the expected setting for everyone.
>>720639157
>>720639225How many of these images do you have at the ready? Do you actually play games?
>>720631940>This generation
imagine paying thousands of dollars to play dogshit, unoptimized, boring, and patronizing AAA garbage
>>720639102https://www.techpowerup.com/review/ratchet-clank-rift-apart-benchmark-test-performance-analysis/5.html>min fpslollmao
>>720639102god damn a ps2 game runs that badly?
>>720639401Imagine being so jealous of people that can, that you shitpost angrily on 4chan when you could be improving the air flow in your favela shack.
>>720631940>3090 to 4090 is almost 100% faster>4090 to 5090 isn't even 15%Disgusting.
>>720639501None of you faggots even bought this shit you just come here to company worship.
>>720639697Post Windows regional settings. You won't.
>>720633428reporting in
>You need a top of the line GPU with 24GB of VRAM to run at ~50 fps a glorified corridor shooter that looks like Borderlands 2/3 graphically.I don't even get it, developers are just shooting themselves in the foot. It's like when Creative Assembly argued that Attila Total War runs bad because "it's designed for future hardware bro" despite being a 32bit game hardlocked to use 4GB of RAM. Then they acted shocked when the game failed to meet sales expectation.
>>720639756I'm not a dumb nigger who uses windows.
>>720634940An anon who seemed to have some knowledge once commented that many of the features of Unreal Engine, especially version 5, are geared toward industrial applications that don't have much to do with games. For example, 3D rendering of animations and movies, sometimes in real time, sometimes not.I think it makes sense because I've seen comments about photorealistic animations that are rendered in Unreal Engine 5, which is extremely fast compared to traditional rendering, and obviously in these renderings you don't have any of the problems you find in games.So I believe that yes, Unreal Engine 5 sucks for video games, because many of its features aren't even for games in the first place.
>>720633461>5090 just a bit better than a 4090Uh sweaty... it's MUCH better than 4090 for VR, and quite a bit better for AI too. But yea especially the VR part is where it shines
The 40 series was so shit most people skipped it, not expecting the 50 series to be even worse.
>>720639814so why are you on the gaming forum?
>>720639814>I'm brown, and therefore use linuxThanks for being honest.
>>720640002Which company uses more jeets to make their code? I'll wait.
>>720631940Just don't play on max settings. Or better yet, don't play Borderlands 4.
>>720640163LinuxCorp.
>>720633342What are those manhands? Yuck.
>>720640361Imagine the fistpogging.
Sirs where to buy 5090?
>>720640361https://files.catbox.moe/2v4pr1.mp4
>>720639850I think it just might be the crossing of fields then. When the game devs are using features designed for animation or 3d renders, so it ofc won't work well.Tbh seems kind of like a nightmare to have a single platform that is designed for multiple purposes and if you are not knowledgeable in all of them you brick your shit.
>>720631940At medium it runs a lot better.Benchmarkers should know better than to bench everything at the highest settings and then present that as representative of the game's performance. The reason you bench at extreme settings is to avoid any risk of CPU bottlenecking and give yourself room to cover future GPUs. The numbers are only suitable for comparing one GPU to another, not for deciding how to play the game.Game devs should also know better than to include these settings because it's been many years since PC gamers have actually appreciated having currently-unplayable "futureproof" settings in the menu. Both players and reviewers just ramp everything to extreme/badass/whatever and then act shocked and amazed when the game runs like shit.Just change the menu options so that the highest settings still run decently well, then expose INI tweaks to go higher.In this case, the highest menu setting should probably have been the setting that's currently called "medium". Obviously don't call it that, just rename "medium" to "very high" and correspondingly for other settings. Then nobody knows any better and everyone is happy.I don't want to defend Gearbox/2K too hard though because this game is really unimpressive across the board in terms of both graphical fidelity and performance. But they could have really reduced the damage just by changing some strings in the menu.
>>720633342i trowed up
>>720641413>At medium it runs a lot better.see>>720637105It's still shit, and it already looks bad enough at max settings, it looks even worse on medium.The game is a mess.
>>720634684>>720634940a good portion of it is due to nvidia's drivers. nvidia just can't into UE5 for some reason. i've tried playing fortnite and some other UE5 games with some friends, i'm the only one with AMD, i'm the only one who never has any issues, whereas they are constantly facing stutters, bad performance, and a myriad of crashing, sometimes it works if they rollback drivers, but there's always some other issue that props up. can rarely play through a match without them running into issues. i was considering switching to nvidia for AI stuff, but it would mean trading reliability in games which i can't justify. nvidia is just really bad at the moment.
based randy
>>7206339582060 bros... it's over...
I just want to play at 1080@60HZ without fake pixels. Is that too much to ask for?
>nativeAMDUNBOPXED DOES IT AGAIN. DLSS is quality is superior to native at all resolutions so by not enabling it they are intentionally crippling nvidia a good 30% performance and giving worse image quality just to appeal to retarded radeon users. AMD users buy gimped hardware, complai nwhen software doesn't support it properly and then bully, scream and shout and techtubers to stack the deck as much as they can. Fucking typical.
>>720642013retarded nV shill
>>720637115>boughtedHello saar
>>720641614THIS is what's raping a 5090 at 1440p? lol lmao
>>720642102So you deny that dlss is better than native and better than fsr?
>>720642013Greenie mad he got beat in raster
>>720642184This is the biggest newfag filter. I highly recommend buyed boughteding in every thread.
>>720642346>dlss is better than nativeAre you retarded
>>720642346For majority DLSS is downgrade because they are still using 1080p displays.DLSS only makes sense for 4K monitors all the other nV tech is also worth it only if you have high end machine.FSR3 and older are unusable. I simply wish TAA wasn't so shit.
>>720642706>FSR3 and older are unusable. das rite
>>720631940>top of the line 1000+ dollar cards can't even get 60 FPS in new gameswhat the fuck happened?
>>720642809You mean how that has been the case for decades in pc land? Before you just had to buy 2 of them.
>>720642947Did this nigga just compare fucking Stalker to the ugly dogshit that is BL4?Go back to consoles.
>>720631940We have huge hardware running fuck huge unoptimized games. Just a big fucking waste of electricity for absolutely nothing.
>>720643013
>>720643154You're retarded, go back to consoles.
>>720642947I miss 16:10 monitors
>>720643206based angry anon - we ALWAYS hit 60fps before unreal engine existed, trufax
>>720643431 hahahahahahahhahaha imagine unironically comparing BORDERLANDS that looks like ps3 game with anythingyou need to admit to mental assylum
>>720643431Ironically, R6S looks better than BL4.
>>720642013Most retarded poster award.
>unreal now works better on amd perfect time to upgrade when udna comes out next year good luck novideo goyims
>>720638757I own a 6800XT, the best value/performance card of the past 5 years, in my opinion, and I do have a 7900X CPU, so I am a full AMD fanboy. Well, at least according to some people. That 5070 is getting bottlenecked by the 7700. As you can see, it's not even a vram issue. But that's only because of the nvidia driver CPU overhead. The thing is that nvidia has had the shittiest drivers ever for over a year and a half. I don't understand how nvidia fanboys call still shill their company.
>>720639102>it's the same incel schizo shitposting outdated benchmark with the buggy unfixed novideo directstorage version
>>720643975>next yearnobody tell her
>>7206339584050 bros we eating good
>3070ti
>>720631940damn, should've gotten a 4090 when I had the chance
>>720643975they're releasing RDNA5 still
>>720638898Part of the total ram get reserved by the igpu, which effectively works as the vram. RAM is "shared" in the extent that it uses the same dimms. A fixed amount of that total system memory will be allocated to VRAM use. Or, at least, it's the layman's way of putting it.
>>720639119The 9070XT is the new 6800XT. You're gonna get like 5 years out of that one. That's a lifetime in terms of GPUs.
>>720643982>That 5070 is getting bottlenecked by the 7700. As you can seeI can see 99% gpu utilization. nta
>>720637105Finewine is so back
>>720631940I now want that zoomer faggot to tear this game apart. How did they managed to make something this simple looking this bad performing?
>>720634825All of this is made worse by the fact that I can't even find a job.
>>720644876Finewine(tm)(c) was just AMD being late with driver releases for new games so they later improved performance. It's funny how now, nvidia genuinely has utter garbage drivers and the completely degenerate indian engineering 12hvpwr standard. They had a working design with proper current balancing on 30 series with 12vhpwr where if you even cut a single wire, the gpu doesn't let you boot, meanwhile with 40/50 series you can cut 11/12 power wires (excluding the 4 sense pins) and the card will still try to push 600w through a single wire.FSR4 is good which is making me switch to AMD in the future after my current gpu dies.
>>720635107>how can that be if my old gpu i pissed out of my gran's old pc still runs well and nothing looks like a slideshowWhat gpu and what games are you playing?
>>720631940it has been a scam for several generations now. even before the rtx branding it was already a scam.
>>720631940Is this because of lumen/nanite or is someform of ray tracing turned on?
>>720631940>huge studios have performance targets that INCLUDE FRAME GENERATIONIt is so over for talent or passion in this industry
>>720642706>For majority DLSS is downgrade because they are still using 1080p displays.Anon, this isn't 2021 anymore. Transformer model makes DLSS perfectly fine even on 1080p display. I'm playing on 1080p and up until DLSS4 I avoided DLSS like a plague, I kept testing each new version and could always spot picture degradation until DLSS4, now it's just free bonus FPS and decent anti-aliasing on Quality.
>>720631940>2k GPU and only 77 fps on a game that look worse than the Witcher 3 from 10 years agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR-Gj5C3dV4&t=95sNUKE THIS SHITHOLE INDUSTRY
>>720645792it doesnt even have ray tracing on
>>720631940Curious to know the rigs of playtesters/devs during developmentThe idea that they're like >this runs like absolute shit on my machine>let's ship itis bizarre to me
>>720631940real problem is these major AAA devs dont play their games. They spend a small amount of time playing the games they make, and thus the performance isnt a big deal to them cause their not forced to slog through it for hours and hours. They just build and play in compartments and never ever play the game in a dev state thus the "Not my problem" mentality forms. This doesn't happen in indie scenes cause the devs generally play their game over and over again because releasing a shitty product as an indie studio usually sinks you
>>720645792>>720646051lumen is enabled in this game, I believe "lightning quality" controls it (biggest fps gains iirc)
>>720645840this nigga is rendering his game in 540p
Should I buy a 5060 or a PS5? I have a 1660 Super currently but I want to play BL4 and Nioh 3.
>>720646210Literally>And here's why that's a good thing.A living joke.
>>720646265naaah dont buy a 5060, if you are trying to get into PC games you need to at least get 5070ti if you dont want to feel regret. and your CPU really does matter, so you cant skimp on that. Alot of games rape your CPU now and gaymers think their gwaphics card is the problem
>>720646210540p? based.
>>720646265PS5 locks you into the playstation online subscription stuff
Me?I have a 9070XT and a 9700X
>>720646378God damn, this looks like shit.I was going to say at least it runs well, but it looks like that's with FG, so I can't even say that.
>>720646265>I want to play BL4You are retarded, so go ahead and buy PS5.
>>720646157wouldn't borderlands 4 look fine even with lumen forcefully disabled due to its comic book art style?the fucked up lighting without it (due to devs probably not implementing any raster fallback in this) would look fine imho
>>720646361I have a Ryzen 5 3600 currently and I don't want to upgrade it yet because then I'll also have to get a new PSU and on top of a new graphics card that's basically a whole new rig and I don't have the money for that right now.
>>720646265Get a PS5, you'd have to be retarded to buy any GPU with less than 12 GB of VRAM (or buy BL4).
>>720646265>5060Did you even look at the benchmarks? If you're not buying AMD for gaming at this point you should stick to consoles.
>>720646497it looks 100 times better than TSR at 100%
>>720646648I did and I'm still not buying AMD.
>>720646558better off getting the console desu. PC gaming is becoming too expensive in general. Unless you dont mind putting 100$ to the side for a year. With 1200$ youll be able to upgrade your rig bigly
>>720646708And it still looks like shit.The fucking inconsistent texture quality is the funniest, you've got that good-looking ground texture and those decent rocks on the right, and then those dogshit PS3-tier cobblestone wall textures, just shit.
>>720646265>should I buy the GPU that runs at 10 fps for this specific game I want to playHoly shit do you mouthbreathers just immediately think of nvidia whenever you think of gpu? So tired of having to tell you idiots to stop buying 60 series nvidia e-waste, it's been several generations now.
>>720631940nvidia jumped on the ai train (after the mining train) which has now cost two generations of gaming cards to be treated as the unwanted stepchild and it shows in the cards, should ai slow down or god forbid crash these bastards will come crawling back to gamers as customers.Nvidia is a ai card company not a gaming card company.
>>720646648>the benchmarks>which conveniently disable Nvidia featuresImagine using Advanced Mechanical Dreidels in 2025.
>>720646816>100$Sorry, I don't take advice from third worlders or Europoors.
anyone try this?from screenshots the game looks okay without fagtracing
>>720646932i'm from the states you terminally online retard. Your pattern recognition "skills" are making you autistic.
>>720646797enjoy your shit drivers and 10 fps>>720646884all reviews show the same exact thing lol even with all upscaling enabled the AMD cards still have more performance and significantly less stuttering https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AJ2FXcBSLk
>>720647052>i'm from the statesNo, you definitely aren't, no one from America types $100 as 100$.
The game is not visually impressive and is hard to distinguish from Borderlands 3. I guess UE5 memetechs are to blame.
>>720631940isn't borderlands amd sponsored?I mean AMD is better but this is not the way to test it
>>720646882This is what people completely ignore and why nvidia cards dont have the same improvements over previous generations as before.We are currently getting shit under powered cards for a insane premium price.
>>720635690>>720636453>>720636675None of you have any idea what you are talking about. If a game requires more than 8GB for anything less than 4K native or path tracing, the game is fucking malware.
>>720647052>i'm from the statesHere's a little tip, eurobro. We Americans don't call it "the States" we call it America, which is the actual name of the country.
>>720647213>is the game that comes free with Nvidia(tm) GPUs AMD sponsoredI would wager, no, it is not.
>>720647213>isn't borderlands amd sponsored?To the contrary, you fucking retardhttps://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/campaigns/borderlands-4-bundle/
>>720647213Nope, nGreedia even gives it away for free if you buy some of their GPUs.
>>720647294>>720647312BL3 was AMD sponsored so that's why he's confused, no need to be mean.
>>720647273>>720647160holy fuck bros, im literally posting from west burbs Lafayette Louisiana. Im a fucking swamp gamer.
>>720647213never has, did you forget that borderlands 1 got physx and that was a big thing for it?
>>720647294>>720647312>>720647364my bad my bad3 was
>>720647394You absolutely 100% without a doubt are not at all American in any way, shape, or form.Stop it.
>>720646837prob a bug tbhdesu
>>720647472I sure am, you little faggot
>>720647486Yea, the bug called "UE5 being shit."
>>720647394Why yes fellow Statesbro I just took a trolley down to the good ol' Mcdonald's and had a burger and chips! I sure do love being American!
>>720647294>>720647312>>720647364>take $$$ from Nvidia >make the game run below garbage on their GPUsRandy Godfork.
>>720647658kek I went to QT this morning and bought coffee and some beef jerky, cost me 6.00$. Then I drove my car to home depot to buy tiles for my laundry room, cost me 26$ for the box. How is your sunday going at mom and dads?
>>720647668Either Randy didn't keep his part of the bargain; because game runs poorly on 5xxx cards, or he is double agent for AMD.
You can make a game look like a ps2 game and also make is so badly optimized it runs at sub 60 fps on a 3070.I plays some obscure Furry porn games so i should know.A badly made game does not bad GPU make.Tell me Borderlands 4 looks anywhere near as good as Cyberpunk, FFXVI or Wukong all games that will run on mid range cards like 2060-3070
>>720647924>I plays some obscure Furry porn games
>>720647868no it's because nvidia is fucking trash at gaming now unless you're buying the absolute highest end gpus, this game isn't the only game where a combination of their dogshit jeet drivers and underpowered gaming specs start to rear their ugly heads. People are just too far up nvidia's ass so they buy it anyway then take to review sections to whine about optimization when their e-waste silicon landfill reject 60 series GPUs can't run any game decently and they wasted 400 dollars
>>720647843sounds based, hope you go to church today anon
>>720635690You already know this but Nvidia is intentionally limping their Vram so you need to upgrade sooner.
>>720648131xDRandy is trolling hard.
>>720647924uh what game is that? asking for a friend
>>720648131and then one day, for no reason at all
>spend $1000 on a card>can't even get 50FPS on a 2k monitor>new games aren't even good most of the timeI love modern AAA gaming.
>>720648182I think Randy might have the Idubbz thing where he gets off on being made fun of and hated.
have you tried lowering the settings instead of complaining though
Have you tried playing around with the graphics settings for a balance of performance and quality instead of just trying to max everything out beyond your current hardware's means?
>>720635647What's that? Or are you referring to the graphical API which has nothing to do with OP?
>>720648418Except you can't go lower than low.
Wait chads stay winning
>>720649179dlssframe genuse themstop being retarded, the game devs will never capitulate to your retarded demands
>>720649242>Fake frames >UpscalingNo.
>>720646948>>720649179try this, kek
>>720636592yes, fuck DLSS, I can run games that look amazing with DLAA 1440p 100+ fps on a 4090 I should be able to run this cartoony garbage too
>>720649242>dlssNo, I am not buying your nvidia slop ever
>>720649242>Just accept awful performance goyI'm not buying your game anyway.
>>720649606then continue shouting at the top of your lungs about things that won't change, i guessdie mad etc etc
>>720640186afaik dropping to medium barely improves performance, that's how unoptimized this garbage is
>>720649650Nah I'll just stick to FSR 4, Nvidia is trash
>>720644308I got one on april 2023 right after the crypto crash and prices went back to normal for a bit
>>720637105It really isent Nvidia dosent like medium settings an will work better at max settings.I'm not joking there's something with the drivers.
>>720645840>Transformer model makes DLSS perfectly fineI can see fucking visual artifacts on weapon sights and blur everywhere at 1440p dlss QUALITY you fucking NIGGER
>>720638898That means at least 20gb vram
>playing without framegenNGMI, AMD bagholders in shambles (fsr and lossless are borderline unusable and exist only to help you cope)>>720650271Explain 6gb cards still being usable for 1080p when the consoles have 16gb
>>720637105>people telling you to just upgrade and stop being a poorfag>5090 only manages 120 maximum on medium nativeholy shit the absolute state of it
>>720650437>nativeLiterally doesn't matter, you should always use dlss + mfg
>>720647273America is a content, you live in the united states and you are unitedstadian
>>720650547>you should always use dlss + mfgI warned you anons.I warned you that this is what the future would be, and you didn't want to listen.Enjoy your shit optimization.
>>720647273I'm from Arkansas and sometimes refer to America as "the states" when I'm talking to euro-sissies on the internet
>>720650423>this fag jeet is actually using an image ripped straight from an nvidia slidelol there actually are paid shills on this board
>>720650547>SAAAR do the needful and use the DLSS SARR
>>720631940told you day one
>>720649193>grandson... my only regret is never buying a GPU and playing video games...>*BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP*
No generation is a scam if you wait long enough to upgrade. Personally I'm a once every 3 generations kind of guy
ITT seething AMPOORS
>>720650437>holy shit the absolute state of itUh sorry you need fake frames to run the cartoon looking game Borderlands 20 because fuck you? This is a good thing actually
>>720650776Why would people with AMD cards be 'seething' ITT when their gpus outperform Nvidia's lol, if anything it's the other way around and you're shitposting ironically to mask your poopy rage
>>720650623Good :)Just target 40fps with dlss and fg off, that way every game can just have rt/pt out the ass.>>720650673>>720650702Seethe. Pc gaming belongs to us BLACKwell gods>>720650902>Enable framegen while still lowering latency with reflex>Now play everything at 400fpsProblem?
>>720650902>outperform>in a test intentionally gimping nvidiauh-huh
>>720650760If you are buying low end you are getting scammed more than ever before. But at the same time there is no point in upgrading so you can spend the money on booze and hookers. Not advised.
This was the best purchase I maked in my life. My teacan died the other day but at least Nvidia brought me back to life with this amazing product.
>>720633737not that im complaining but why did this happen? is unreal 5 really just that dogshit
>>720638898TRVKEpisser 5 has 12.5gb of addressable memory for developers and 13.7gb on pisser 5 pro (thanks to separate 2gb ddr module)
>>720650990>Now play everything at 400fpsNot Borderlands 4 though clearly, pajeet retard
>>720631940But the top 3 GPUs are all nvidia? Retard
>>720650997There's upscaling tests done too you faggot, AMD cards still perform better >>720650990>400 FPSNot in your wildest street shitting dreams, you also forgot>299ms latency>4 fps 1% lowsThe way it's meant to be played
>>720634650>8GB cards have been around since 2013>jewvidia is still releasing 8GB cards 12 years later
>>720641614THIS is the game on medium settings? Are you telling me the current gen flagship GPU struggles to render THIS at >120fps? LMAO
>>720650997>>in a test intentionally gimping nvidiaif not using upscaling is gimping that's an issue with the hardware
>>720650997>REEEE IT'S NOT FAIR THEY DIDN'T RENDER THE GAME IN 240p IT'S RIGGED FOR AMDholy shit the absolute fucking state of nvidiots
NVIDITROON SEETHE THREAD HAHAHAHA
>>720651105>Uses more optimized settings>am now way over the refresh rate of 360hz monitorProblem radeon-tard?>>720651239>299ms latencyName one game that would be over like 60ish ms on any recent low end or mid range card with max settings at 1080p+4x mfgTip : You literally can't. Stop coping and just upgrade from your 470 or 6600 already
>>720645792No, other lumen games run fine. I'm guessing it has to do with their anti-cheat that they added for a singleplayer game for some fucking reason. I also wouldn't be surprised if they're hiding spyware somewhere, considering their history.
>>720651239>There's upscaling tests done too you faggot, AMD cards still perform better *with vastly inferior image quality.
>>720639850Cracks of this were showing as far back as Unreal Engine 3, everything looked amazing for the time but the moment you tried putting too much into a dynamic environment than the framerate would go bananas
>>720651383>THIS is the game on medium settings?Anon, I have bad news.That's the game on max settings.So is this.
>>720651326So whathttps://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-5050-mobile.c4239There are people who only require a 8 GB GPU and nothing more
>>720651383to be fair, they have to calculate every individual particle of the anti-soul gas
>>720651473Why does the ground texture look worse than SM64?
>>720639850it doesn't help that a lot of developers just straight up don't read the fucking documentationI don't know if this is outsourcing indian pajeet problem but holy fuck, how do these people even get jobs?
>>720651489If the hardware is going to use 2013 specs, the game should be able to run 60FPS (no framegen) on a 2013 PC.
>>720651571It's probably the classic Unreal loading textures feature.
>>720651473gosh what's up with that piss filter when you look towards the water, this looks horrible
>>7206339583080 bros, we wus kings...
>>720651571Good textures aren't #BADASS
>>720631940At this point anyone who buys a gpu BEFORE GTA 6 releases is an idiot. That game will make most current day gpus obsolete. Upgrade after gta6 comes out on pc unless you can get a great deal on an AMD card or something.
>>720646879The 4060 laptop version is kino.Same performance as pc runs cool barely hits 75c ever.Amd has nothing better or cheaper
>>720651767I bet they're forcing you to render every single blade of grass.
>>720631940damn bololands 4 really must look like no game ever has, to demand such graphics cards
>>720651767pardon my tits in BL3>anti sovl gas>still can't hide that atrocious ps2 draw distance in the backdid they even try?
>>720651767>blue woke filterwhoever is advocating for this shit IN EVERY GAME needs to be shot
I still remember the days when buying the best gpu of a generation meant you'd be able to play at a very high fps with all settings at maxed for all new games that come out during said generation and even the next
>>720651767This shit looks worse than Borderlands 2
>>720651441>lyingIs this the new "muh drivers" now that you can't use that one any more since Nvidia's drivers are significantly worse? FSR4 is on par with DLSS now, particularly after the latest driver and particularly in this game due to its art style.
>>720651947here's another BL3 screenshot, textures look more detailed than BL4 desu
I can't stand BL weapons designs. I know it's not meant to be a game visually appealing but come on.
>>720651427>Buys a 5070-5090 to run a modern game on low-medium WITH fake resolution Holy shit you're genuinely retarded
>>720652096>FSR4 is on par with DLSS now
>>720642947>has to pull jankware engine games to try to keep the narrative going that this shit is normalthe 60 cards could run games at max settings in yesteryears
>>720652186>modern game on low-medium WITH fake resolutionYou have to do the same thing on amd, except then you have to use fsr with no framegen
>>720633958>3080 is the official reccomended spec GPU>That performanceIncredible
>>720652343Holy CPU bottleneck.
>>720651056>4090 performanceI almost forgot about that lmfaowhat a shitty marketing tactic
>>720651441Why do you fags always exaggerate to the point it sounds like marketing, FSR4 is not 'vastly inferior' to DLSS because RDNA4 has machine learning technology and has improved by leaps and bounds to the point your average person can't even tell the difference between the two anymore. There's plenty of tests done on this already. While DLSS offers a slightly improved image quality over FSR4, the gap is closed and closing faster by the day to the point I wouldn't be surprised if FSR4 were better than DLSS by next year especially since Nvidia no longer cares about making gaming GPUs or even any decent drivers.
>>720652386They genuinely stated that the 3080 is recommended for 1080p60 on medium settings.They're absolutely fucking incompetent.
>>720652468Did nV stock went up or down after this presentation?Because in the end it's all that matters.
>>720652343oh no no no, dont look modern devs, there's a $120 GPU running a game max settings at 1080p
>>720652343>max quality>with physx obviously disableduh-huh
>>720652461here's higher res
>>720651326being realistic 2-3gb was the norm in 2013
>>720652517>I wouldn't be surprised if FSR4 were better than DLSS by next yearlets not get ahead of ourselves
>>720652589>even the older gen 560 is gets 50fps
>>720652530>recommended for 1080p60 on medium settingsIsn't that even worse because the current standard resolution is 1440p?
>>720652887the current 60 FPS standard resolution is 720p
>>7206528871080p has a higher market share than 1440p and is actually increasing
>>720653019Steam survey should have an option to filter out Asian countries from the results.
>>720653019as more and more people from pakistan gain internet access?
>>720652530At first they stated it was for 1440p medium with dlss on, now they made a chart for every res to cope.https://borderlands.2k.com/borderlands-4/news/nvidia-optimization/
>>720631940Will the RTX 60 series be the next generation of "big leap" cards like how the RTX 30 cards were a blatantly obvious great upgrade point?
>>720652570>GTX 970I miss my shitty memecard
>>720652696>1600p in '12>majority are still using 1080p in 2000 + 25grimI love how little difference there was between the most expensive and cheaper cards.
>>720633958works on my machine >t. 3060ti
>>720653223given that nvidia is dedicating less and less die space for gaming specific components and filling it up with AI I wouldn't count on it, you'll buy the 60 series anyway for your 5% performance increase(with DLSS, with FG)
>>720653223probably yes, considering they'll have to switch to the new 3nm die this time
>>720653351wtf is that UI? Why do you need a map and a compass?
>>720653191>2080 Ti>1080p>Most settings on medium or low>PLUS DLSS quality, so not even native 1080p>30 FPSAre these cunts for real?
>>720635849>3090 that lowRemember that it was the 4090 where Nvidia decided to say "FUCK IT" and throw huge silicon in the consumer level cards.
>>720653351this is like that UI overload meme lmao
How many years do you think it'll be before I can reasonably replace my 3060 Ti? Keep in mind, I'm staying at 1080p for the rest of my life. 8000 series maybe?
>>720653351>FG'd 20 fps upscaled from 240p with everything on lowgod damn the 3060 ti aged like ass
>>720650776>same price as a 9070xt>out performed by 9070xt in all casesOh yeah im totally seething at better performance for less cost. Fucking retard.
>>720653442Yes. The charts are all retarded, take a look at AMD charts where they have 60 fps for every gpu, even a 6500XT and 5700XT but with framegen on.Btw a 2080ti is 3070 equivalent but with 11gb of vram so it was obvious that they had some intern make this, probably used chatgpt.https://borderlands.2k.com/borderlands-4/news/amd-optimization/
>>720653613it's aging like wine tho? this game is destroying 5k dollar GPUs and the old trooper still keeps it playable and clear visually
>>720653351holy slop, I'm so glad I stopped at TPS. Anyone with a brain could have seen the decline coming.
>>7206535273090 had bigger GPU die than 4090, so try again.The same die that 3080 used as well.After crypto panic they simply realized they can charge more for less.
>>720653668lmao your 9070xt isn't getting 4090 performance.
>>720653749Anon, you're on the lowest settings, that environment literally looks like something out of a PS2 game.In fact, that might even be generous, that "grass" reminds me of the original fucking Outcast from like 1999.
>>720653749you and I have vastly different definitions of 'playable', this looks worse than the ps5 version
>>720653527>7900xtx>above a 4080 superYou ACTUALLY believe that blatant lie? lmao
>>7206536689070xt costs $700 for the low end models though, for the good ones you're paying more than a 5070ti ($750)9070 basically the same thing, starts at $600, while the 5070 is below $550 now
>>720653351What the fuck is using all of that horsepower? Because it looks exactly like Borderlands 1
>>720653749that is some of the ugliest grass texture i've ever seen, looks like the planet is coated in astroturf
>>720631940> 9070 competing with 5070Ti> 9070XT equal to 5080Shit, this card must be the best value for money GPU in almost a decade.
>>720653749>Poorfag bragging about how a poorly optimized game that runs like shit is fine for him because he has lower standardsA tale as old as time itself.
>>720652558they said AI like 400 times, so it couldnt have gone down
>>720653351This webm reminds me of cyberpunk + doom eternal incident
>>720653842neither is the 5070 you retard lol you fell for nvidia marketing
>>720653418I've had my 3070 8gb (fucking hell) since late 2020 and it's still serving me well.>>7206534192nm die when? Waiting for the 70 series it is
>>7206538173080 had a GA102 die because samshit 8nm was atrocious and they had to make a x80 gpu worth its name.It's been historically 104 die, a 3070 ti wouldn't have been a good look as x80 gpu. They profited massively thanks to samshit and crypto.
I have a Ryzen 7 9800X3D with a 5080 and can brute force any poorly made game BUT THAT IS NO GODDAMN EXCUSE fuck you developers.
>>720653907 >>720653941 >>720653994 >>720654018meh, good graphics get boring after 30min, and then you want good input feelif i could get 110 fps with max settings i would reduce all settings to low to get 120 fps + quieter system
>>720653950Depends on what market you are in chump.9070xt are $600 here. 5070s are $700. Literal no brainer AMD buy.
total nviditroon deathwhy are they so mad?
>>720653817>3090 had bigger GPU die than 4090, so try again.Different process nodes. 8nm Samsung versus 5nm TSMC. Look at transistor count instead.3090 - 28,300 million4090 - 76,300 million
>>720654208>if i could get 110 fps with max settings i would reduce all settings to low to get 120 fpsOkay, but you can't do either in BL4, which is why you're struggling to maintain 60 FPS even on the lowest settings.You poorfags are disgusting, bet you're a thirdie too.
>>7206541902xxx series sold like shit after the huge success of Pascal. Also AyyMD had very good showing with RDNA2. nV still cared about selling GPUs to gaymers back then.
>>720654301he's struggling to main 30 fps, that 60 is 2x FG, he probably tried 3x but Nvidia's drivers crash in this game with anything higher than 2x
>>720654185>2nm die when? Waiting for the 70 series it is80 series*
>>720654301even if i had rtx 99999990 and i could max the game at 400 fps i would turn graphics to low and limit fps to 140 and play the game on 2D clocksdo you not understand the conversation?graphics =! matterful
>>720654214>In my irrelevant country that probably in total buys like 300 gpus over a generationWho cares? America is all that matters.
>>720654429>that 60 is 2x FGGood fucking lord, I hope he's not doing that, going from 30 to 60 with FG sounds fucking awful, no wonder he can barely aim in his webms.>>720654465>matterfulOh yea, definitely a thirdie.
>>720653956Cool it with the antisemitic remarks.
>>720654429Framegen isn't on ampere?
>>720654429nah im maintaining 60-70 fpsampere doesn't have frame gen, and even if it had i would not enable Nvidia Input Latency Generator even if I was paid money to do it
>>720654545he is definitely doing that, the 3060 ti can't run this game at 60 fps even in performance DLSS with the lowest settings
>>720654465>matterfulgood morning saar
>>720631940>9070 XTwtf is it really that powerful?
>>720654545>>720654614again, ampere doesn't have frame gen, and even if it had i would not enable Nvidia Input Latency Generator even if I was paid money to do it
>>720650547Kys retard.
>>720654190>8nm was atrocious8nm is a marketing name for 14nm++++ it's exactly where it needed to be. It wasn't ever realistic for it to compete with TSMC 7nm
>>720633428Still here and rocking solid on the games I play, honestly. I'll probably upgrade not for the generation that's coming but the next (when Nvidia will go 6000 and AMD I just don't know, they'll restart counting at triple digits I suppose now that we're at 9000?)
>>720654465>graphics =! matterfulGOOD MORNING
>>720654575>>720654597you've been able to use FG on ampere via optiscaler for a while now, just not nvidia's cause they're jewish
>>720654614>>720654545Ah I get it, this is a coping AMDjeet butthurt the 3060ti is still handling a game that is destroying 5000 usd GPUs :)cuz u don't know what framegen is..... or that 3060ti doesnt have it....
>>720654832>>720654621graphics don't matter, yes.also it's evening.
>>720654668It depends on the game. On average, no. It's a little slower than the 5070 ti.
>>720654881>>720654465Good morning saaarPlease do the needful for the day to be matterful.
>>720654545>>720654614>his 5 year old GPU needs "EFF-GEE" to run this game at 70 fpsbro............
>>720642184>newfag from /pol/good morning sir
>>720654965> ER faster on a 5070 than 9070XTWhat the fuckity fuck is that?
>>720654285Transistor count is only half of the story, 5nm TSMC runs at much higher clocks. Even with that in mind 4070 has both higher transistor count and higher clock but performs worse than 3090.Ampere was quite impressive overall, Ada was just meh.Now imagine if nV simply didn't use the most expensive node to make mid and low end GPUs. Instead make bigger chips using older tech.I can see how they will switch to two tier system where cheap cards will stay on older node and they will use bleeding edge for their enterprise and high end cards.
>>720655161techpowerup never updates their charts to reflect drivers, the 9070 xt performance has been increasing with each driver release while the 5070 ti is somehow losing performance from nvidia drivers
>>720653998I have it, I was running 2 980tis prior.Hilarously the game I said "Ok it's time to upgrade my system" for Oblivion Remastered, runs like shit, but apparently it also runs like shit on a 5090, so the game is just shit.
>>720641614that really doesnt look better than thiswhere are all the frames going?
>>720655428Negro just wants to be left in peace.
>>720655446wonderlands has static lighting
>>720631940more like Gearbox is a scam
Don't care. I'll be keeping my 3060 for another 5 years and by then AI will have wiped out society.
>>720631940>Can barely do average 60 fps at 1440p>With a 2.5k GPUI remember back in 2015 we were talking about games getting to a point you could run them at 4k 60 fps.And the top end cards were capped at 1k.
>>720655739>3060Why do third worlders love this gpu so much? It wasn't even the best value when it released and it's gotten so much worse over time. You'd think if you were poor you'd be a lot more careful with how you spent your money.
>>720655237Something I have noticed is that by the time a game is fully patched NOBODY GIVES A FUCK ANYMORE.Except the fine men and women of r/patientgamers. Funny that.
>>72065585212 gigabyte of VRAM made it last- you can thank DLSS for that.
>>720654839Nvidia fg is the only one worth using though.
>>720655549And?
>>720655898ok reddit
>>720655852>why do people not want to give half their pay check to big techyou tell me, nJudea rep
>Game soooooooooo trash it's used for benchmarkingI've seen this episode before
>>720655237It's the best way to comparison test since you have a stable target driver release for everything. They do update every now and then. But of course at that point everything needs to be retested. Anandtech (RIP) did the same thing.On a related note I always loved the seething Anandtech caused by adhhering to JEDEC speed/timings for RAM in their test rigs. People bitched about [their brand] losing performance because they refused to use any overclock, even guaranteed stable overclocks like XMP/EXPO once those were established.>>720655428>>720655517>the only person doing any work in the second pic is the only man there
>>720631940May a see the programmer credits for the game Saar?
>>720656292He lools like he's on his phone.
>>720655549lmao it has the exact same lighting as all other open world ue4 games. just because it doesnt update every 32 ticks doesnt mean its static
>>720631940Using 1080p cards on a 1440p benchmark is really disingenuous
>>720656437it has static lighting and bl4 has dynamic lighting
>>720656652Retard.
>>720633958what the fuck are those niggers over at gearbox doing?
>>720656514Ahh yes, notorious 1080p card, the $2000+ RTX 5090.PC gaming has been ruined by autists who think their computer is a fucking status symbol.
>>720656514Yes, 5090 is clearly a 1080p card.
>>720656795>>720656845See>>720633958
>>720656791whatever they want, retards buy it
>>720656514So the most expensive graphics card on the market is only ment for 1080p?
>>720631940its so bad its ASS
>>720631940>5000 series complete nothing burger in terms of real gains for $3000+tariff+tax+scalper feeseveryday i'm thankful for the 4070 ti super only costing $650 back in august 2024
>>720656514>1080p cardsThere's no such thing, you just bought into the marketing. Even the 5060 and 9060 aren't "1080p cards" they're just weak and overpriced.
>>720656695go google what is static vs dynamic lighting
>>720657128Retard.
>>720633342black girls and their brazenness make my pp go hard
>>720656946could this be why so many studios are trying to appeal to nigs now? like 2K they have nailed the fuckin scheme and they have NBA and some wrestling games, all made for the dumb niggas who just consume. now they're luring the gay niggas with borderlands 4, because that shit is 99% africa and 0.1% white, and it worked, the gay nigga cattle made it sell 2m copies instantly. they dont care for the optimization, the mtx, the fact that the game has an entry price of 80 bucks, that theres been blatant content removal to be sold as dlc, that its a downgrade of the previous 2 games.... god damn. imagine being someone as lucky as NBA when you got gay niggas like these slurping over your diarrhea. fuckin gay ass niggas.
>>720657460No, BL4 is definitely enjoyed by lots of autistic white people who use their PC as a status symbol, right alongside the autistic third worlders on their 3060s like the one ITT.
>>720657460jesus christ see a psychiatrist
>>720657460
>>720656912Devs will simply stop putting Epic settings in menu of UE5 titles to trick retards into thinking those games run better.You can gain around 40% FPS by using High preset instead of Epic/Ultra, but you rarely can spot the difference without pixel peeping. Or they can simply release the patch to add those in later on after all the benchmarks are done.But that doesn't change the fact those games will still run like shit on low end hardware because you can't disable nanite or lumen in many of them.
>>720657906That won't fix much because the lower presets also tend to run like shit in UE5 games.
>>720631940>current gen is demonstrably faster than prior gen in all cases except for the 4080 super beating the 5080 plain and the 5070 plain losing to everything but amd ewasteDo you get off to revealing to the world that you can't read anything?
>>720658129There is simply very little performance to gain once you go lower than High.But it's possible to include potato settings, Chronos has a Switch 2 port and PC version has very low preset which is nearly identical.Does it look like shit?Absolutely.But for handhelds and 10 year old PCs it's good enough.
>>720639401Imagine engaging in a hobby when you could frogpost on 4chan.
>>720635647No it don't.Borderlands 4 is the heaviest game ever made.And it don't look much better than zelda BotW.It's just trash.
>>720658302>5080 ($1000) the exact same as 4080 and 9070 XT ($700)>5070 Ti basically the same as 9070 ($550)>5070 barely beats 6800 XT from five years ago and has less VRAM
>>720658783>the heaviest game ever made.Silent Hill 2, Cronos, RTX remix mods
>>720653351There's no way the game looks this bad right?
>>720658825Consoles are rdna. Games with little to no pc specific optimization by default are going to be marginally better on amd
>>720651383>benchmarks are visibly stated to be at max settings>see screenshot that is explicitly stated to be at the second-lowest setting>be so illiterate and so full of liquid feces in the portion of the head the brain is supposed to be you actually think the max settings benchmark is how the game runs on the second-lowest settings
>>720658862Checking SH2 it seems to be as heavy.However it does look the par for it's graphics unlike ADBL4
>>720631940>Scamvidia putting a new number on a box with the old GPU>Sloppers lap it up>Trilly dollar companyThe AI bubble can’t pop fast enough.
>>720658862>SH2runs on my GTX 1060, a ps4 tier GPU, with consistent framerate everywhere.Cronos is also pretty optimized but you need a vram tweak command (see Benchmarking channel). E33 was very heavy though and I think it would be a better example.
4090bros how we feeling?
>>720631940>only the two most expensive and highest end GPU can hope to even achieve more than 60 fps at any given momentHow about instead of claiming the GPU is the scam we admit that retarded studios that can't properly optimize their trash games are the real scam.
>>720652343>it's le jankware because it's not an engine explicitly made for notoriously and infamously weak and shitty 7th gen consoles
>>720659463>xray isnt jank because i said so!lol
>>720659431Why not both?
>>720633958I thought the 3060 was poopoo but it's not placed that badly actually, a lot higher than the 3060ti too, guess a lot of it really is in that higher vram.
>>720660000Wasted quads.
>>720659379Both of those games on max are roughly as heavy as borderlands 4, especially with hardware rt + ray reconstruction (which you don't have on borderlands 4 but still)Yes they scale down, but they also look like ass when you do. Borderlands 4, at least it still mostly holds up on low.>>720660000Anon it's at 15fps even with it going over 8gb. The people who said the 3060 would be useless before more vram mattered were 100% correct.
>>720631940>You need a 600 watt GPU to play a modern game at high frame rateUE 5 was a mistake.
>>720634940A LOT of it is the devsOne thing I've seen a few games do now is they actually use UE5's blueprints for production. For those of you who don't know what blueprints are, they are basically fisher price UI "programming"; you have a nice looking blackboard you place nodes into and then attach and plug in various functions and so on. You've probably seen similar types of UI for 3D/art programs.So, this is pretty easy to use, and it's quick to work with, but it has huge performance problems and it's hard to actually maintain, because you can't just grep and replace lines of code, you can't have 5 different people work on the same file at once. Blueprints have to get compiled into larger binaries too, so when you push out updates you're not just updating a 5kb file, you've made a 5kb change to a 1.5 gigabyte file and that entire 1.5GB has to be uploaded to all your customers.So it's a fucking nightmare when it comes to maintaining the codebase, AND it has poor performance vs just writing all your shit in C to begin with.It ostensibly exists as a "brainstorming" tool, where you just throw ideas together quickly and prototype and test instead of using it in your production build.In reality, these companies are staffed by DEI hires - minorities and women - who cannot wrap their heads around actual programming, so they rely on blueprints, because that simplifies it down to something they can kind of hack together even if they don't have a clue what they're doing. What's supposed to be a niche feature for prototyping is now becoming the defacto method to build games with, and the results are utterly disastrous for game performance.I guarantee you, that's one of the problems with Borderlands 4. They used blueprints for everything instead of coding it properly.
>>720659592Its performance wasn't affected by "jank".
>>720633958Just slap on some frame gen to hit 30, it's fiiiiine.
>>720648131You just know randy is the kind of guy too stupid to understand anything past the surface level.He even looks mildly retarded
>>720631940>borderlands
>>720658506Nah, at that point it just means the engine isn't a good fit, if you have to nuke the visuals to look like a PS2 game when running hardware from 2018 that becomes a problem.
>>720660334>Borderlands 4, at least it still mostly holds up on low.I mean, insofar as it looks like shit on all settings, sure, but that's still awful.
>The engine is bad>The developers are also bad at their jobs>Everything runs terribly>Every big game is using this engine>In almost every single case, there are performance issues unless it's Valorant or Fortnite>Everything that runs badly keeps selling>And selling even more>And still sellingYou can't even fix or adjust the timeline because people keep buying it anyways. There's no breaking away from this, we're just stuck like this and it's gonna keep going and going.
>>720653956double DRM
>>720661994it has never been more over. either be rich af and buy a 90 series every generation or suffer at 1080p 60 fps low settings KEK
>>720661613Even high end from 2018 is below minimum spec, and those 1080Ti were the minority. RTX2xxx didn't sell well and those cards also didn't improve the performance that much.7 years is a long time when it comes to PC hardware. From my perspective you can't expect for new software to run well just because old software had lower requirements.My first PC had 32MB of RAM, now I have 32GB.You cannot completely avoid the bloat. Sure it would be nice to not have to worry about retarded publishers cutting corners just to make investors happy, but game has to come out before financial quarter so shit is never finished. But as long as money is the only God on this gay planet it will stay that way.
>>720662303I think I'm just going to keep playing stuff on my 3060, ignore new games (I seriously haven't seen a new game in the past 5 years that was worth a damn) and if I buy a "GPU" in the future it'll be some ASIC or something with 512GB of VRAM for me to run a local AI with.
>>720661994But I don't see the problem, there are more games I want to play each year.Very few AAA games were worth even downloading for free.How long did it take for you to realize that normalfags will turn anything they touch into shit?
>>720662465>You cannot completely avoid the bloat.Sure I can, I can just not buy the games.The only UE5 game I've bought thus far is Black Myth Wukong.Look, it's simple, either optimize your games or produce a game that looks beautiful enough to justify the shit performance.If you're some indie or AA dev and you're using UE5, I'm 100% not touching your game, since I know you won't be able to produce a game that runs like shit but looks beautiful OR a game that's well-optimized. That's why I'm not touching Cronos or Hell is Us.It's insane to me that fucking Stellar Blade looks and runs better than almost every UE5 game released this year, utterly fucking baffling.
>>720662752>SBworst part is it supposedly runs on ue4
>No, it's the 109 countries who were wrong!
>video games still exist>graphics card company shifts focus away from video games and into AI>said company makes one okay AI card and shits out the rest of the garbage onto video games world
>>720663042>People rush to defend this because they think burning money and bragging about it is something rich people do.
>>720662752I don't buy AAA games in general, last one was ER.UE5 is often a trap, feature creep is a deathknell for many smaller studios.I often download UE5 games just to see how poorly they run given their gameplay and graphics. When UE4 was the default AAA engine games also ran poorly but for different reasons, you could mostly bruteforce your way.With UE5 there is not such option.
>all those dumbasses that bought a 5070
>>720639930Super kings won
>>720663207Mind that this mentality is purposefully encouraged by the PR marketing firms that companies like nvidia hire to shill their trash.They want to make brands into religions, they expressly and purposefully encourage retarded and self destructive behaviours that involve giving your money to the big corporation. Nvidia doesn't give two fucks if you spend your entire life savings on their consumer crap and then can't make rent. Nobody gives a shit about keeping the exploitation sustainable, let alone considers that maybe exploiting people is bad.They just go full on pedal to the metal exploitation. They'll advertise, brainwash, gaslight, scam, and fraud their way into money; by hook or crook. That's why sensible governments, like Hitler's Germany, put controls on many corporations, and forced them to be clearly benefiting the German people, not shareholders, not executives, the German People. They made the economy work for Germans, and not Germans for the economy.
>>720631940I knew I made the correct purchase. Greencucks got raped hard this year.
>>720663265>When UE4 was the default AAA engine games also ran poorly but for different reasons, you could mostly bruteforce your way.Oh yea, don't get me wrong, EVERY iteration of UE since UE3 has been shit in some way, but man, it's gotten REALLY bad with UE5.With UE4 the main issue was the terrible stutter before devs realized they need to have a step to compile shaders at launch and the ugly, soupy default TAA.The issue with UE5 is that it has all of those exact same issues PLUS some of its own issues from lumen and nanite being half-baked shit designed primarily for offline rendering for movies that have started to replace actual work being put into a game's lighting.It's just crazy to me that they've fixed pretty much none of the issues the engine has had for the last decade now, instead Nvidia, AMD, and Sony all had to come up with better solutions for UE devs to drag & drop into their game instead of the horrible default TAA, and somehow even with shit like shader precomp, UE5 games STILL have stutters out the ass sometimes.
>>720663612>AyyMD didn't name it Radeon RX9700ProGay.
>>720634989
>>720663714That naming scheme is for CPUs (this is mine)
>>720631940A stable 30 fps used to be an acceptable standard and 60 fps was perfect performance. Then all of a sudden high refresh rate monitors became a thing and gamers started expecting to get 120+ frames in new games with cutting edge graphics. It's unreasonable.
>>720663823AMD changes their GPU naming scheme each generation so don't give me that excuse.
>>720664092>generationDude that shit is ancient no one cares.
>>720663645Somehow UE5 TAA is even worse than UE4 TAA, I don't know how is that even possible. All those performance issues just because faggots wanted to not see loading screens.
>>720664034The standard was only 30FPS because nothing better existed. Not because people were OK with 30fps. People were constantly complaining about 30fps, that's one of the reasons we GOT 60fps, and then very soon after, 120fps and onwards.Because the biting reality that dipshit retards like you can't fathom, is that 30fps is NOT enough.You can go fuck yourself btw, retard.
>>720661272Or don't play on the retarded highest setting. It's like the people that cried about Ubersampling in Witcher 2 buck breaking dual titans.
You want to push the boundries of techology and game development.You want to hire masses of jeets who vibe code with AI promptsYou see now, you cannot do both
>>720664467turns out you get lower FPS on the lower settings
>lets release a game where only 2000+ USD GPUs can achieve playable framerates at a normal resolutionAnd even with sacrifices the game is barely playable at all on just your average hardware. What makes one think this is a good idea? You are locking out so many potential buyers - And it's not like the game looks great to make it a selling point
>>720664576BL4 doesn't do either of those.It's just made by retards.
>itt poors mad it sold 5mil+ already
>>720664665What's even worse is you aren't getting anything for this performance cost.It looks the fucking same as borderlands 1
>>720664984>you aren't getting anything for this performance cost.Every day i pray for the collapse of the western AAA games industry
>>720664984Thats what i am saying yes. Sure - the game has a larger than BL1 which makes it way more demanding but devs need to realize that this sloppy ass UE5 engine isn't good for those type of games. Even if the framerates are better you get constant stutters and frame pace issues.
>>720639328HOLY COPE BATMAN
How does a game that looks this bad have such terrible performance? And why are people still buying it anyway?
>>720666036>how
>>720666138?
>>720666138You can throw billions of polygons into scenes now, it's not much of a performance hog.
>>720666419>misses the point>defends bloat because "muh hardware">wonders why games run like shit now
>>720666518I didn't say any of these things you're quoting, that's all you.Polygons are not the problem, if you want to point at the problem, it helps to point at the actual problems, not things that are not problems.
>>720666581>STOP POINTING AT THE TREES>WHERES THE FORREST YOU FAGGOTHow would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning?
>>720666651you are inbred moron nigger
>>720641614What an ugly game. What a waste of electricity to have this rendered on any screen...
>>720666724>jeet melty
>>720666784amazing argument subhuman niggerkill yourself nvidia troon nigger with your shitty sponsored game
>>720666138>>720666518that's a high-poly model only used in the menu where it's the only thing being rendered. the in-game models use lower-poly models.
>>720664313The 4.26-4.27.2 TAAU (algorithm 1 + taa upsampling 1) is unironically better than DLSS. Bet it got scrapped because nvidia is so invested into epic. And yeah, TSR is shit in UE5. It's only good for stills, but if you have moving fog or vegetation that has lumen ambient occlusion then it's gonna look fucked with TSR@100% with no way of fixing.pic *slightly* related as i didn't capture dlss.
>>720666882how about just raw dogging it without shitty filters? why is this hard for faggots?
>>720666862>Pete ruining someones fun again.I'LL GET YOU ONE DAY, HINES!I'LL GET YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU~
>>720653749I've seen better looking games on a PS3 what the actual fuck is this? Did you fuck with the .ini files to create some sort of potato mode or is this really how the game looks like?
>>720632081You could start by reading for 10 seconds.
>>720653749>It looks and runs fine if you turn down a few things>It:
>>720667085rawdog it champ
>>720667447it looks better? developers need to work on little sticks more tho
>>720646265Avoid any nvidia 50 series card.
>>720667447>blurry shit vs jagged shit
>>720633958>shit like this is allowed to be released on Steaminstant refund
