Stop Killing Games succeededEU is going to stop the destruction of video games
Even if it succeeds I don't think I'll play any of the games it saves
gamers won/v/ lost
>>720632974You can't cry about governments censoring games if you're rooting for this btw
>>720632974>97%Wew lad.
>>720633160yes you canI am
>>720633160Yes I can and I will
>>720633160>Support government to do things I want>Shit on government for doing things I don't want.Simple as.
>>720632974Good.
>>720633160Game preservation and censorship are two different things
>>720632974yeah but did any of those losers work for 8 years at blizzard?
>>720633173Doubtfags btfod, I always believed
>>720632974anon iam all for it but please for your own sake stop posting cancerous reddit threads quoted by fucking xitter of all places, man this decadence in your bones
>97% of a million>threshold was a millionso it's a failure then?
>>720633225The big brain democracy enjoyer.
>>720633225>>720633202>>720633178>give absolute powers to the state>surprised pikachu face when the state becomes so powerful, it no longer needs your approval to do things
>>720632974>Rat Software simps were crying about fake votesOH NO NO NO NO NO
>>720633160>if you shut down a live service game, you have to release the server binaries so people can keep playing>NOO!! THIS IS CENSORSHIP SOMEHOW
>>720633359>>give absolute powers to the stateno, the power is in our hands. That's why we vote for things we want and don't vote for things we don't want. That's what a democracy is all about.
>>720633359So what, don't ever use the government as a proverbial gun when needed?
>>720633359I don't careI'm glad this is happening and I think it's stupid when they try to censor stuff.I don't think any government outside of the fourth world is even bothering to censor anyway, that's all just payment processors, which is, well, we all know who's behind that.
you know what was the most enjoyable thing about all this?getting into dozens of those skg threads and calling out as many corporate shills as possible
>>720633359>vote and petition for specific thing I want>this means I give absolute power to the stateOk retard, sure thing
>>720633353they got over 1.4 million at the end
>>720632974>No all signatures have been counted yet
>>720633359>that's right, you should keep absolute control in the hands of corporations instead, they're looking out for you
>>720632974inb4 the guy who started all that shit gets the Kirk treatment
>>720633160>if you're against scams you cant complain about censorship??? anon?
>>720632974Excellent. Cue the seething shills and brown subhumans below.
>>720633359>>720633178>Citizens initiative pushing for laws past politicians means you give power to politicians.
>>720633353Can american subhumans really not read?
>>720633835This isn't an issue that divides the population, the only detractors are corporations and their plants.
>>720633225NOOOOOO YOU CAN’T BE A MODERATE!!!YOU HAVE TO EITHER SUPPORT TOTAL ANARCHY WHERE UNTOUCHABLE MONOPOLIES SELL YOU WOOD DUST FOR CEREAL, OR SUPPORT TOTAL AUTHORITARIAN GOVERNMENTS THAT THROW YOU IN FROZEN LAKES FOR BEING CHRISTIAN!!THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A MIDDLEGROUND!!
Reminder that corposhills were seething so bad about this they resorted to spamming SKG threads with CP.
>>720633850I'm happy they're gonna block companies from doing shit that's deliberately harmful to end users and strips them of the property they are choosing to spend money on.I'm not happy for censorship in any form.This is not censorship, it's common sense! Hope that helps, sweaty.
>>720633835Wouldn't be surprised if the kikes tried something, luckily Ross is forewarned by the mycelial network.
>>720633990Piratesoftware is a spokesperson for the ordinary gamers, so I trust his opinion over a government shill like Ross
Great, let's hope they actually do something about it
>>720633160Man sometimes I wonder what yenkees think government is supposed to be.
The government is just a big corporation with a very peculiar shareholder structure that sometimes kills people
>>720634087an institution to collect and send money to israel
>>720634224They're not wrong, but it currently only applies to the US government.
>>720633160>NO YOU CAN'T USE THE GOV POWER IN YOU FAVOR YOU MUST KEEP SUCKING COMPANIES COCK!!!>>720633353>American school system moment>>720633359>NO YOU CAN'T USE THE GOV POWER IN YOU FAVOR YOU MUST KEEP SUCKING COMPANIES COCK!!!You lost billion dollar company shill, keep crying.
>>720633528It was fun while it lasted, at lest we'll get round 2 when it gets to the deliberation part. I've got my popcorn ready for the dumb arguments made by the industry considering what the lobby group put out.
>>720633528The disturbing part is all the retards that aren't shills but simply contrarians that moan about skg anyway.
>>720633359>>720633160>heh you like when the government does good thing but you don't like when the government does bad thing?>to me, an intellectual, this seems a little... hypocritical... it's okay, I didn't expect a lesser intellect to notice the contradiction here he-he...
>>720633437>>720633438>>720633446>>720633530>>720633727>I give my permission to the state to force companies to offer a better service>I'm also giving my permission to the state to force people to treat animals with respect>I'm also giving my permission to the state to stop other from smoking and drinking in public>I'm also giving my permission to the state to force people to protect kids from the dangers of the internet>I'm also giving my permission to the state to provide accesible housing/apartments by any means possible>...>wtf, why I can't have pets now? Why taxes are so high now? Why companies are leaving? Why they are censoring my online content? How could this happen!? This is literally nineteen eighty-four!!!
>>720634805>>I'm also giving my permission to the state to force people to treat animals with respectThe fact you are trying to paint this in a bad light shows you are brown.
>>720632974quick reminder that retarded discord fags were using this line to get people to lose heart and not bother signing.Instead signatures skyrocketed and made it one of the most successful initiatives
>>720634805are you okay anon?
>>720634805No, see, I'm giving my permission for the first, not the others. Sorry it's so hard to understand.
>>720634805Clearly, the solution is world government (lead by me and my allies)
>>720634805>>wtf, why I can't have pets nowBut I can have pets AND the state DOES force people to treat animals with respect. Animal cruelty is a crime but I still have a dog.What the fuck are you on about?
>>720632974>hearing>is going to stopNiggers can't read? >stop killing gamez, plz>no>thank you for hearing me out
>>720632974>government is going to fix thingskek. this is going to backfire badly
>>720634805>Why companies are leaving?ESL detected, post discarded as worthless
>>720634805absolutely hilarious that most of these so called gotchas you listed are either private people forcing them(like landlords), or corporations(like online censorship)
>>720633160they're quite literally on the same sidewanting all the functionality from the game is the same as wanting it uncensoredhell, the corpo cope for wanting to kill them is that they can't censor games after eol
Yes now FFXI can never close down.
What a pathetic thing to get worked up and waste time over.
>>720633528I've never been called a communist more often than I have been in these threads
>>720633160If there's one right I wish libertarians would exercise more often, it's the right to remain silent.
>>720633160I can and will.>B-But that's hypocritical!I know. I'm going to do it anyway.
>>720634674I just figure that most of them are either trolls trying to get yous or unironically corpos
>>720635001he has sex with animals
>>720635697There are a lot of actual AnCap larpers on 4chan
>>720633359>>give absolute powers to the state>>surprised pikachu face when the state becomes so powerful, it no longer needs your approval to do thingsAnd what face are you doing when you're giving absolute power to corporations? Fucking hell dude.
>>720632974Consumer protections coming to the rest of the world soon.if Nintendo tries to remotely brick your switch we'll put them in jail for vandalism.
>>720633160Retard
>>720632974>EU is going to stop the destruction of video gamesHopefully its the other way around, and over regulation destroys the industry. You fuckers need to stop playing games like fucking babies, go outside, get married, have children. Dont waste your youth on fucking games.
>>720632974EU won't do shit, and if they do it will be a harmless token measure at best and anti-consumer at worst.but hey, we got more than a month of drama content out of it, I bet plenty of people lined their pockets with ad revenue.
>>720633160You can't pretend you're a human.You're rooting for people that hate you by the way.
>>720633359I still have the power to not buy the game
Your constant baiting is meaningless.You WILL own your games.You WILL be happy.
>>720633160>supporting the government doing good things = supporting government control>simultaneously opposing the government doing bad things = hypocritewhy are /v/tards so stupid
>>720633160I swear the average IQ on this board must be around 60
>>720633359WHAT DUMB NIGGERGOD DAMN
>>720633359>give absolute powers to the stateI'm sorry I wasn't alive to prevent Emperor Maximilian I. from unilaterally abolishing the Faustrecht and replacing it with the Allgemeine Landfrieden in 1495 A.D. Really, my bad.
>>720635908Youtube keeps recommending me 1 or 2-day-old PS drama vids every time I watch a game dungeon, people are still milking it.
>government blocks sites I want to buy games from>have to dox myself to even visit half the internet soon>a lot of games still not avalibe despite age verificationHaha we sure won EU bros...
>they start verifying votes in the order they were made>97% of the early votes are valid>they get to the last month video surge where hundreds of thousands of votes were given in a few days>10% are valid
>>720633160This has nothing to do with censorship, plus your shitty companies already censor all the content I care about so get fucked in the ass, troonoids.
>>720636405
>>720636281If age verification is an EU thing, why do I not need to do it?
>>720636281non sequiturhere's the (you) you so desperately crave
>>720636483It's coming next year
>>720632974Only in the EU though, not like America is going to do anything for this, just look at how they allowed Nintendo to patent summoning during a fucking on-going lawsuit.
>>720636564It uses anonymous tokens, I expect them to be reusable or hackable to be able to fake id with faken tokens. Though they are "anonymous", I'll still use hacked tokens instead.
>>720633160the government restricting the freedom to take away freedom (good) ≠the government restricting freedom (bad)
>>720635891Normalfag.
>>720633160They hated him because he told the trvth
>>720632974Based
>>720633126basedlive service is sloppa
>>720635124All europeans are ESL, retardGOD
>>720633909Or write, or think, the list goes on.
>>720633160Of course you can.You can even start an initiative against it!
>>720632974>mold man kills video games in europe Kinda based to be desu
>>720633359>givePro tip, we never ever in position of deciding to give them power or not. If you don't like your government being factually almighty then try a coup or something. Good luck.
>>720635608Then stop typing like a faggot.
>>720638242to get 'commy commy commy' thrown at you in these threads, you just have to be for any kind of government regulation whatsoeverExcept copyright, they LOVE that one
>>720637369I thought EU education was supposed to be better?
>EU
>>720637369Bongs...
>>720633160Unironically one of the most braindead takes I've read in a while. I really hope you are shitposting.
>>720633359You are 100% correct. Go grab your freedom gun and go kill the government right now.
>>720632974We did it reddit! Now the EU can control our games!
>>720639257Yes, now the EU can start whipping corporations properly. Just like how Nintendo can't nuke your Switch if you live in the EU.
>>720638609An average european has better grasp of english than an average american, regardless of being ESL
>>720633160On what grounds?Also, the government censoring games isn't the institution you need to worry about.
>>720633160What are you going to do, stop me?
>>720633126fpbp and /thread
>>720633359>give absolute powers to the stateThe state already has those powers. They could do what the petition wants them to do, even if no petition was ever made in the first place>surprised pikachu face when the state becomes so powerful, it no longer needs your approval to do thingsThe petition wouldn't work if the state didn't already have the power
>>720638609what do you think ESL means?
>>720632974im sure the same eu that is suffocating every industry with their retarded regulations will save gamesjust dont worry about chat control and id verification that is coming goys, eu has your back
>>720633359I don't listen to tossers
Isn't it kind messed up that if you get 1 million signatures on the dot, some of them will be invalid making the whole thing fail despite you getting the stated amount of signatures? Can't they do something in this situation?
>>720639257based
>>720635908Yeah, basically. The other initiatives went the same. >initiative gets the votes>gets talked about>do nothing for a long-ass time>finally do a half-measure>instead of fixing the problem, either nothing really changes or shit gets worse
>>720641201I get where you're coming from, but "isn't it messed up that if you don't get 1 million signatures, you don't get 1 million signatures" is still a bit silly.
>>720635908Here a small sample of the EU not doing shit:> Forced Apple to use USB-C on iPhones.> Forced Apple to open up iOS to third-party storefronts.> Forced Apple to open up iOS to sideloading apps.> Forced Apple to drop the restrictions on in-program payments having to go through the Apple Store.> Forced Apple to drop the commission on transactions not going through the Apple Store.> Forced Apple to offer browser choice.> Forced Google to offer browser choice.> Forced Google to be clear about their privacy policies.> Forced Google to stop connecting data about users across multiple services.> Forced Google to drop the restrictions on in-program payments having to go through the Play Store.> Forced Google to drop the commission on transactions not going through the Play Store.> Forced Meta to be clear about their privacy policies.> Forced Meta to stop connecting data about users across multiple services.> Forced Meta to not be able to press tracking ads on users under the legal grounds of 'legitimate interest' or 'necessity of contract'> Forced Microsoft to offer browser choice.> Forced Microsoft to loosen their hold over Windows Update and when it installs updates.> Forced Microsoft to respect users' browser choice and not try to weasel in Edge everywhere.> Forced Microsoft to make Edge uninstallable.> Forced Microsoft to turn down the level of telemetry sent by Windows.Faggots like you have been doomposting SKG for over a year, and you will keep doomposting until the end.
>>720641117Do you think that this gives the EU the power to fuck with games that they didn't before?
>>720640891Some kind of slur. I think. Has to be.
>>720641434>go to jailMore like >"Did you turn of that server?">unapproving finger wag>"You shouldn't do that, now pay us ÂŁ50k or we'll... uh... just pay up!"
>>720633160>you can't use guns for your means because bad people use guns for their means Just hand over the server files buck.
>>720641639it shows them that you WANT them to fuck with games
>>720639782>Laughs in Project 2025
>>720632974where are the shills that claimed it was all bots now? I guess they are busy making bloodlines threads
>>720641869EU approved most bots to not make their silly platform be an embarrassment
>>720641634It's funny how all of this either didn't happen or only applies to those in the EU (and didn't happen anyways).
>>720641805Based HyperboreanLionHis hapa daughter will not become a whore
>>720641937don't you have a bloodlines thread to create
>>720641634>and you will keep doomposting until the end.You aware that literally nothing stops EU from saying "you own games you buy", right? They don't anyone random who to ask them to
>>720633160You got a better idea on how to take power away from corporations?
The biggest entertainment industry in the entire world stood against him and he still won.Mold is too powerful...
>>720642160Who is this and what he did?
>>720641805>EU did it
>>720642254His name is Mr World Wide, he took out Captain Kirk because he's part of Team Picard.
>>720632974What can we in the US do? I already shilled the SKG to every European I could. They didn't want to try a SKG movement here because of how our law is structured. I'm not going to pretend to understand but I do want to take action to help things here in the states >>720641805>>720639782What can we do about this? Do we need to escalate our approach?
>>720633126me either but it is fucked up to just take away games.
>>720632974It'll get shut down the moment EU commission realizes that a lot of multiplayer video games can be used as entirely uncontrollable and censorship-proof private chatrooms
>>720641962>It literally never happened... except w-when it did... and even then it didn't happen lalalalala I can't hear you there are cocks in my ears!!!!either get help or kill yourself already
>>720633126I just had a really fun MMO that had no equivalent shut down. :(
>>720633160>NOOOOOOOOO CONSUMER RIGHTS ARE LITERALLY CENSORSHIPwrongcompanies are not people btw
>>720633126Same here but it's the principle of the matter. Today it might be online shooters and MMOs but the game industry corporations will be given an inch and take a mile. Nintendo is already rolling out paid DLC package announcements before a game has even launched like Legends ZA or games that just came out like DK Bananza. At this poi t they are transparently gutting out content that could be added in the game later like its some (paid) bonus.
>>720633126would've been nice if this could've kept Chromehounds multiplayer servers up
>>720633126Same. I only signed for the seething.
>>720642527Nothing sadly, our legislator is corrupt as hell and are much more likely to pass a law that further protects companies than something like SKGs.Best plan at this point is vote the bums out, especially the anti consumer ones.
I give my permission to the state to cut off this niggas >>720634805 balls.
>>720643036forcing publishers to have EOS strategies that don't just erase games from existence isn't giving them anything. publishers want live service games they can just delete from existence so they won't be competing with themselves next quarter. read: their new games don't need to compare to their old games because their old games don't exist anymore.
>>720633160Post foreskin.
>>720633359>the stateThe European Union is not a "state" nor is it a "country", fuck off retard.
>>720633359Stop fucking ferrets
>>720643229I want to be cured of my nihilism, but anawe me honestly; I feel like anyone we vote in then takes the mask off and becomes anti consumer. Is this ever not the case?
>>720633160I can. In fact, if you things to work in your favor you have to have power, in the government or over it.
>>720632974Yeah you won, congratulations, when the fruits of your labor come back to fuck you and the rest of us in the ass I hope you have the ability to recognize it, but I don't think you will, it will be everybody else's fault but your own
>>720642395when that happens i'll leave the internet, EU iare such cocksuckers,
>>720632974great, can we stop killing porn now?Germany already killed chat control thankfully
>>720642909Peria Chronicles?
>>720643336I comprehend your statements yet somehow am missing the point you're getting at. Are you saying a stronger definition of the conditions a proper EoS plan needs to have needs to be made? Because I would agree there.
>>720643832You need an actual economically left candidate since they have the best track record for enforcing Consumer Protection, but those get destroyed by the uniparty that push corporate interests. so I can see where your cynicism comes from.
>>720642686They will just force games with chat capabilities to have backdoors for agencies to monitor shit you post.
>>720633126ThisAny game that needed to be contained by these measures was never going to make a good game in the first place, and WILL find seven other scams and several other sophisms to sidestep their obligationsYou killed always online? Well, how do you like this timegated campaigns with purchasable boosts? Hey, while we're at it, have you seen these chinese gachas doing absolute numbers? Maybe they're onto something, quick, tell the devs to put gambling mechanics in this, we'll figure out the path to the E ratings
>>720635891Juice hasn't been worth the squeeze for a while
>>720634805>Government, do your fucking job and fix this gray area that enables corporate abuse>This somehow enables gubmint to install a dildo on your bike's seat dont you see you've gotta let this goSmells like judaic misdirection at work
>>720632974Well, video games are dead now
>>720633225I reality it's>support government to do things they think you want>get shit on by government because they're doing things you won't want.
>>720632974Game Industry's already in a race to the bottom. I don't see a thing like this even having hope of getting legislature in this kind of economy.Besides, Europe is going to be at war soon, so this shit's hardly going to be a concern.
>>720634002>THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A MIDDLEGROUND!!I think you found how the average amerinigger thinks, they've been so utterly brainrotten that they can't understand middlegrounds, it's either black and white for them.And I fucking hate this shit because my country is literally like this thanks to the communist garbage the left imported here to force a dictatorship here, although the judicial system is so good that the current government isn't finishing their term without being all in prison, hell they probably won't finish the year since the judge going after them will retire next year.
>>720633160Yes I can you retard.
>>720644265>corporations will be given an inch and take a mile>this isn't giving them anything, as its an attempt to block one of their anti-consumer business models, live service games they can just delete when they want to make a new one. do ya get it now?
>>720646070Problem is skg never blocked any of that. Not to mention it erased the greatest weapon of the consumer, a legal grey area. Companies have people who find loopholes so extra rules don't matter to them.
>>720632974NO NO NO YOU'RE RUINING EVERYTHING!!!
>>720635001It's not about dogs, it's about ferrets.
>>720646327now you are the one spewing incomprehensible babble.
>>720646379Where do is fans come from? I see Twitch suggesting this fag and he still has like 3K viewers. I know that's not the most viewers ever, but anything over 1K means you're getting enough to make a living off just streaming. No wonder he doesn't bother developing a game that will probably make him less than a week of Twitch streaming does.Was there at least a drop in viewership after the WoW thing, the half-assed game release, and the STG shit?
>>720646685>Where do is fans come from?YT shorts, heavily edited to take the parts he seems smart and they were in everyones recommended because he shat out 10 per day
>>720646425Oh right, corporate shills such as yourself don't understand consumers.
>>720632974Fun fact, advocate for removing patent and IP and copyright laws and you will see the pro-corpo crowd suddenly start telling you why government regulations is good.
>>720646685Honestly you can make a living in most parts of the world with just like 300 viewers. 1k viewers you're earning a good salary anywhere especially if you take sponsors.
>>720646848>accuse others of your actions to beat them to the punchok. you could've just elaborated, but apparently you cant, because >>720646327 means nothing.
>>720646327>>720646425>>720646848>>720647032We should remove laws related to patents, IPs and copyright as they clearly are a form of government overreach.
>>720647032Not that there's anything to elaborate on that isn't already explained in the post. Your objective on the other hand was to explain how it benefits the consume more than the company and you failed to do so.
>>720646952>remove IP and copyright laws>corporaptions become more powerful because of trademark laws and all their puny competitors works and R&D is up for grabsremoving copyright and IP laws would be heaven for corporations
>>720633835Literally only one spore has to survive for Ross to propagate again
>>720634805holy mother of brown, you are BROWN100% lel
>>720646685anything over 1K means you're getting enough to make a living off just streamingyou're underrestimating how much streamers make, 300 viewers are probably enough already
>>720633160arrowbrain moment
>>720647210>forcing publishers to have EOS plans that aren't just "get fucked" is giving them the inch that will allow them to take a mile>forcing publishers to have EOS plans that aren't just "get fucked" isn't giving them anything what the hell are you babbling about>uh gray area or something you're a corpo shill... not sending their best
>>720646685or the eceleb is just being pushed artificially because its supporting corporations against regulations
The shills are still trying?You guys are still being paid after your disastrous attempt to stop this?
im not making multiplayer games now
>>720647231Imagine thinking that when companies sue the shit out of people for fan content, and Disney lobbies to extend those laws.Without those laws things would be hell for corporations because no one have to buy their stuff anymore, and anyone can use their brands and IPs.Also by removing those laws you basically give gamers and fans the ability to do whatever they want with their games including brining old games back to life.Get ride of those laws and their lawyers are powerless.
>>720647706Until its made law that you cant just kill a game whenever and not provide any way to keep playing it these corporations will try to stop SKG.
>>720647706judging from the post-rate, the actual paid shills are gone and all that's left on their side are the people dumb enough to believe their bullshit.
>>720647431At least you admit you're not very good at shilling because none of this is what was mentioned here >>720646070In addition SKG doesn't actually stop any games as a service from existing or being shut down because it was aimed at games with DRM that could be disabled and not games that you don't actually purchase so now companies have a loophole that can't be contested by the average consumer. Good job! Then again that's what you wanted, you were paid to push this as a good thing.By the by there's still the issue of game still having DRM but being "playable" through some mediocre single player like a training mode or challenge mode.In other words SKG has fucked the consumer.
>>720647231bro the concept of intellectual property was forced by corporations because they didn't want others to just copy "their" ideas.
>>720647706Why do you think? Companies still want to make use of the average dumbass to gain support for anti-consumer legislation.I would too in their position to be fair, people are fucking stupid and it only takes one person to rally them for the wrong cause.
>>720647992The concept of intellectual property in the modern day was created to stop a corporate monopoly.
>>720647945>get called on babbling incoherently>babble incoherently even harderhere's another quick rundown of this conversation so far>corporations losing the ability to just erase games is bad for corporations>no it isn't its good for them you're a shill
>>720647231>only person can hold ip or patent>it goes public domain after deathThere i just fixed the whole thing, thank me later.
>>720647992If you're that butthurt then make something of your own. >>720648181You've fucked everything. Now only one person of a team can own something and it's "freed" when they die. Put two and two together.
>>720648162lol. lmao. rofl. wtf. its literally a concept to create a limited (or functionally limitless) monopoly on any idea or concept invented for profit. IBM tried to patent and copyright the concept of a BIOS, so they could be the only company making computers at all, even though a bios ios only a few dozen lines of code
>>720648181but anon, I have case full of shekels, won't you reconsider your statement?no? it's fine>anon commit suicide by falling on knife 33 times>new anon elected into positionanon, I have case full of shekels, won't you reconsider statement made by your predecessors?
>>720648170In other words, because your interest is corporate led you don't have an argument that wouldn't incriminate you.
>>720642160
>>720648346no, you. as you can't make any argument as to why preventing publishers from deleting games when they want to sell a new one is good for corporations. all you have is buttfucked mental gymnastics
>>720648181literally a world of corporate Ninjas taking people out, and yoinking IPs
>>720641634Based EU raping Microsoft, glad for them
>>720647157I think it's really funny the tantrums some of you throw when you're losing an argument.
>>720648306>IBM tried to patent and copyright the concept of a BIOSThe keyword being "tried" as in their failed to because you can't patent a concept and you can't copyright a function.Anyway, no modern IP law is based on the staute of Anne which was created to dissolve the monopoly the Stationers' Company had on the printing press and publishing.Also don't forget, IP law has existed throughout history in different forms. It's almost like individuals want to ensure their ideas are theirs and can't be stolen by others.
>>720648279>>720648612From what? Public domain? Who gives a shit if few people get yonked early to make their ips free for everyone to use. Problem with ips is companies sitting on them forever without ever using them.
>>720648429>as you can't make any argumentSure I can, it's right here >>720647945Ignoring it doesn't make it go away. It just means you couldn't give a shit about the consumer.>when they want to sell a new one is good for corporations. Even if it worked the way you think it does it wouldn't save games from being delisted so they can still do that.
>>720648732they did take competitors to court for having a bios, with the claim the only way they could have a bios is by copying IBM's bios, which was pretty solid legally as you can't prove a negative. the accusation is stronger than any attempt to disprove it. the only way around it was to have it on pen and paper.
>>720633126same, but i still signed it just to spite big corpo. Fuck them all to death
Bismillah, the kuffar shall suffer our righteous wrath, alhamdulillah
>>720648906>pls red mah mentral gymantsics dey wuz rly hardyou manufactured a situation in your brain and instantly decided it was real because it suits corporate narratives. you're accusing supporters of SKG as being corporate shills (read: of being (you)) because it puts them on the defensive.
>>720648181>>720648845anon, you fool.corporations will kidnap IP holders and keep them out of the public, they will keep multiple IP holders in a secured bunker with armed guards, protecting the IPs (whom the IP holders "willingly" work exclusively with said corpration) from other corporations either kindapping or killing the IP holder to make it go public domainthere will be entire mountain forts of IP holders in iron lungs being kept alive for decades.
>>720648845Anon, you know that's how Disney got to where it is, right? They abused the public domain.Not to mention paying someone to off another dude is going to be cheaper than trying to negotiate a several million dollar deal.>Problem with ips is companies sitting on them forever without ever using them.Not really because it doesn't stop anyone from making things that are conceptually the same or someone asking to use that dead IP. For example is pretty much Gunvolt is Megaman Zero and while Zelda isn't dead they gave the necrodancer devs permission to make Cadence of Hyrule.So basically if you create and just fucking ask there's no issue with how things are now.
>>720649029You can just admit you're in it for corporate interests and that's why you can't argue why these exceptions don't exist.
>>720649162>if intellectual property laws are simplified then corporations will commit other crimes to maintain them... this is almost as pathetic as "we can't tax the rich because they'll just leave"
>>720649292the "exceptions" you imagined don't exist because nothing has happened yet.
>>720649401So you're just defending corporations for no reason then.
>>720646070The >inch given and will take a milecomment is stating that they are willing to erode customer good will and duck them with anticonsumer practices when unregulated.>Mario 3d Allstars had 3 games on it for $60>now they're selling the Mario Galaxy bundle for 70$ or each 40 individually, but one of those games was already in the 3d Allstars bundleThis shit is just like Ubisoft's special edition tier charts, somewhere along the line you're getting dicked. The notion that SKGs hasn't specifically laud out methods for legislation to identify a specific strategy on how to regulate EoS plans was necessary but opens the door to them lobbying the most fluff nothingburger method that can exist, which I feel you're also expressing. But it seems like your saying despite the fact this won't kill the enire hydra but just remove a head, this still needs to happen, and I would agree because a game bought still needs to function even if the servers don't, but I'm feeling some contension I still haven't figured out yet.
>>720649454>SKG is supporting corporationsyou really need to elaborate on how government regulation of corporations is good for corporations.
>>720649562Anon, you do know you're comparing native ports to emulation, right?
What's wrong with killing games?
>>720649607Good thing I already did. >>720647945Still waiting on that argument. Again, ignoring it doesn't make it go away.
>>720649624anon the switch is basically a pc. they're selling emulation.
>ITT glowniggers trying to damage control
>>720649704Making up a situation and instantly deciding it is real is not an argument.
>>720649723That's like saying every game on steam is emulated.
>>720649815sure, if you don't know what words mean, i may as well be saying a dog is a galaxy.
>>720649803Which brings us back to. >>720649454You've reached a dead end haven't you. Doesn't your flowchart have an answer for this?
>>720635509They can just make an offline client like what they started doing with FFX...or they can just officially release hosting files so that people can run their own private servers like what's already happening you retard.
>>720649317>we can't tax the rich because they'll just leavethis unironically what happens unless every single country in the world does so
>>720649691we are putting a stop to themdon't interfere
>>720649624Which one is the native port, 3d Allstars?And even then, I don't really care. The game is the game is the game. Or are you saying me comparing how greedy a corporation is in selling you old emulated games isn't comparible to their other greedy practices like apples and oranges? Because >bitch, you can compare fruit
>>720649873Anon, you're the one claiming native ports are emulation because the switch is a PC.That doesn't make any logical sense to say but you did anyway
>>720649894The "dead end" is "governments regulating corporate behavior is good for corporations." There is literally nothing you can say to validate this claim, leaving you with inane mental gymnastics. the absolute most you can possibly claim here is corrupt governments will implement regulations that benefit corporations.
>>720650017>There is literally nothing you can say to validate this claim,Except for the argument which you still have yet to address.
>>720649974they aren't native ports. they're roms wrapped in an emulator. we've proven this.
>>720633160>>720633359>>720634805How many years did you work at blizzard?
>I WANT TO PLAY LE CREW (2014) BY UBISOFT TMThis really is all just going to backfire on you. You think you have some sort of power, but you don't even have the self-restraint to not give corporations your money for these so called 'anti-consumer' games.
>>720650092making up a situation and deciding it is real is not an argument. the absolute most you've said is "SKG bad cuz it might not accomplish its goals"
>>720650104>we've proven thisWe aren't talking about all stars.
>>720633528I think the only people I dislike more than shareholders/suit and their shills are the people responsible for this shit working in the first place.Fun moments
>>720632974The most tyrannical assembly of bureaucrats who want to control the world through their regulations and who unironically want to introduce mass surveillance of all human communication every couple of years will surely protect the interests of people.
>>720649691>>720649948Is 2x2 wven made by Kodaka or is this another "non Kojima Metal Gear Solid" situation again? I could see DR going doen the FF7 remake rabbit hole but I don't know if I want us circling the drain for it to go nowhere or for the same ending to be achieved.
>>720650252>okay that's emulation but not all of them are emulation
>>720650184Jesus, maybe you're just a bot. You're looping like you've run out of memory.
>>720650332We're "looping" because you can't substantiate the claim that regulations are good for corporations. All you can do is make up bullshit and decide its real.
>>720650324Yes, exactly. That's how it works, some games are emulated and some games aren't. We are talking about one that isn't. You finally got there in the end
>>720650452and we're talking about "ports" of games that are actually emulated.
>>720633160all these /v/edditroons seething at this post of truth
>>720650417We're looping because all you have left is deny. You could have argued your point of you had one instead of floundering about
>>720633160this is aimed at corps not the content int the first place
>>720650507No, we aren't talking about 3d allstars
>>720650170>Miss understanding what the Lawsuit around The Crew was aboutA game company prior to the lawesuit could revoke your access to single player games too and make it so that you are no longer able to access or download the game ever again. Games are sold and treated as a product therefore they should be subject to the same protections regardless of the type of game.
>>720650598What am I denying?
>>720650882Denying your denial huh. Talk about mental gymnastics
>>720650996I accept your concession.government regulation of corporations is bad for corporations. period.
Good, I hate video games. You fucking niggers deserve this.
Media preservation is just the most natural thing in the world.Every book, movie and song is out there as a file. It's so obvious that nobody questions it.And so is every video game, until corporate vipers found a way to spit on it with central servers.So no, I won't listen to corporate excuses on the subject. I want them to burn until they yield.>but I think that game is bad and not worth preserving!Irrelevant and not your place to decide.
>>720640891what it practically means is 'poor english'
>>720651125You can't really accept a concession when you haven't provided an argument to gain one.Meanwhile I'm still her waiting for your answer to the earlier one.
>>720651125>government regulation of corporations is bad for corporations.How is this a downside?
Jeez-ow, 97% validity rate on something that 1.5x exceeded its goal? Amazing
>>720651213just keep dancing for me monkeygovernment regulation of corporations is bad for corporations
>>720649940>need to physically live in country to own real estateFixed that too.
>>720651231the shill is trying to claim government regulations of corporations (read: SKG) is good for corporations and bad for consumers.he can't substantiate this claim so he's just going for the last word
>>720633909They indeed really can't.According to the US government's official census numbers, something like 70% of the US is functionally illiterate. For those adults that actually CAN read and write, the average reading and writing skill level is about equal to those of a 5 year old in western Europe.No I am not kidding. The US is literally actually that far down the shitter. If their current generation working R&D and high-tech dies off or reaches retirement age, the entire country is fucked. And they know it. Why do you think the tech sector is hell-bent on importing more migrant workers?
>>720638496>you just have to be for any kind of government regulation whatsoeverNot exactly, you just have to be against the idea of personal control.
>>720651492the worst part is it's nonfunctional education standards, the moving from phonics to teach reading and writing to newer systems that focus on teaching the actual words themselves straight up does not worktexas effectively controlling education was a mistake
>>720651551corporations are not persons.
>>720633835The "guy who started all that shit" is a figure-head only. The real people pushing the Citizens Initiative, the ones that will be appearing before the EU during hearings, have been kept out of the lime light all this time.
>>720651231It's not. Problem is this isn't for real regulation.If it were it would be a campaign for a flat out ban on drm and service games but it isn't.
Someone with brown skin the same color as poop made this >>720639589 post
>>720651665good thing the EU doesn't recognize corporate personhood and doesn't consider corporations citizens.
>>720651730if i call him brown it will save america's flatlining literacy rates
>>720651603PersonAL, not person, aka private ownership and control.
>>720651712feel free to substantiate this claim
>>720651665Then this shit is going to go horribly.
>>720651712>flat out ban on drm and service games but it isn't.Why would they be a ban on drm, a technology that only exists to curb piracy and not punish legitimate purchasers, and always online games, a game that requires some sort of server functionality but can be hosted by private individual which is something that has been happening since antiquity with games like Neverwinter Nights and MMO private servers?
>>720635810>if Nintendo tries to remotely brick your switch we'll put them in jail for vandalism.They already cannot do that in the EU. The clauses present in the US terms of use that allow for that to happen are absent in the EU version.
>>720651864again, corporations are not persons, are not people, they are not entitled to the same rights as a person. regulations on corporations are not regulations on citizens in places that don't recognize corporations as citizens.
>>720641720Individual member states will ultimately end up passing their own laws on this but in the meantime, it will work like this>EU Commission finds you guilty of committing a fineable offense>orders you to pay the fine>choose to resist paying the fine>EUC begins upping the amount you'll have to pay via extremely high late fees>continue not paying the fine>CJEU says you're liable for the fine and interest >CJEU compels any EU member country in which the company operates to freeze assets, seize property and potentially make arrests>if your company is operating outside of the EU and only selling within it, licenses are revoked and you're banned from selling games in the EU until you pay the fine (pressuring steam, MS, sony, etc. to geoblock the EU from certain features is not hard and has been done before)
>>720635959Anon, that is an insult to those of average 60 IQ.
>>720651948You do realise it's the drm that makes it always online, right?
>>720649924Nah private servers aren't the same. They have to always foot the bill for servers.
>>720652043>corporations are not personsPersonal =/= individual anon. You Indians are retarded.>regulations on corporations are not regulations on citizensWhen it pertains to ownership it affects everyone, not just corporations because the rights they have are the rights you have. You could do the exact same thing they have if you really wanted to.
>>720651948>Why would they be a ban on drm, a technology that only exists to curb piracy and not punish legitimate purchasersAnd people think skgfags aren't pro corporation.
>>720633126Hopefully it will convince companies to stop dumping money into shitty live service ideas (looking at you WB games) and start making good standalone games again.
>>720652240You're not responding to the argument that corporations are not people and therefore should be regulated because of what corporations can do and what people can't.
>>720633225Wait, that's illegal!
>>720652240>the rights they have are the rights you haveplease be baiting
>>720652240Corporations aren't people, they are entities made up of multiple people. At absolutely no point should a corporation be considered an individual person and enjoy the same privileges and legal abilities. If Noseberg wants to sue me so goddamned bad, he can do it himself and not cower behind his company name.
>>720633909not. american
>>720633160Thread/
>>720652621American here, the conservatives courts here have ruled corporations are not only people here, but are given all the rights of a person.Please save us.
>>720642395That wave of news articles was debunked the day after it broke.All of it originated from one particular outlet pushing out a misinterpretation of an official EU publication.The official publication was one of a set of guidelines for the interpretation of Article 28 of the Digital Services Act wrt online protection of minors and was accompanied by the standard 12 month period after which the EU Commission would re-evaluate the efficacy of the guidelines in question and whether they needed further adjustment.Absolutely nothing anywhere signified anything wrt mandatory age verification, and actually the guidelines in question -- if anyone would've bothered to actually read them -- stated that no means of age verification that involves the exchange of personal data should ever be deemed as proportionate or admissable.Cherry on top:The firm that first put out this bogus misinterpretation probably did so intentionally. They have a branch that specializes in offering aid for legal compliance with legislation; and chances are high this was part of a deliberate scare-mongering campaign to start framing a narrative capable of funneling other firms into taking them up on their services.
>>720633126I would have liked to continue playing Overwatch 1Signed it as a fuck you
>>720652854I have the misfortune of living in a red "right to work" state (union joining is not mandatory) and courts are notorious here for siding with businesses pretty much every time, I hate it.
>>720653014Is that like a Commonwealth state? I know those have "at will" employments where they can fire you for little reason.
>>720652951 (cont.)Interesting sidenote though:What those guidelines DID contain is a blanket ban on all forms of lootboxes, battle-passes, daily login rewards, and other forms of coercive means tempting potential underage users to enter into transactions they otherwise would not have done; or aiming to bind them to spend disproportionate and unreasonable time with a game.
>>720652854the only solution at this point is to start shooting the politicians who wrote such laws, support such laws, etc, until other politicians rescind said laws.it might also be possible to have a corporation on trial for murder and then acquitted because a corporation can't be put in prison, therefore is not a person.
>>720642527>What can we in the US do?You wait for the EU to do its thing.Then once it has, you can start a grass-roots effort of raising awareness among your peers, which will assist the Brussels Effect kicking in - heigtening the odds of companies bringing to US consumers similar affordances that they would already be legally required to offer to EU consumers, if for nothing else than to avoid losing face to US consumers.
>>720633126Should also apply to denuvo since if the server check in ever goes down, the game becomes unusable
>>720651730Amerisharts don't even speak english at this point, they speak ebonics
>>720652854European here, it's much the same here.
>>720653169Close, Indiana, also an at-will employment state yeah. Only perk is at-will employment also means I can quit with little or no notice and they can't do shit about it, though that's not really different from how any other state works.
>>720653536the EU does not recognize corporations as people/citizens. some countries do though, but they're corrupt shitholes.
>>720653603Can employers still blacklist you or something in retaliation?
>>720653629>the EU does not recognize corporations as people/citizensYes, yes it does. Probably not in some corrupt shithole like Poland but that is how it is in civil countries like Spain for instances
>>720652951That article hasn't recanted, recalled or added an addendum correcting the record. Show me an actual article with something to lose for getting it wrong and not words.EU is also planning chat control.
>>720653402Americans in general really deserve to have it rubbed in their faces how absolutely cucked they are in terms of consumer rights. There's such a culture of corporate cock sucking over there that I doubt they'll change if not blatantly shown how others have it better than them.
>>720653687Probably, though unless you're a notoriously horrible employee to the point you're known in the region, it's highly unlikely any other company will care about a blacklisting.
>>720633225The kikes fear this
>>720644053>great, can we stop killing porn now?That's the UK, not the EU.Platforms like X like to lie and state they have to perform age verification in the EU to view 18+ material because of the Digital Services Act - but the DSA specifically doesn't require them to do so where the means available involve transfer of additional personal data. (Art 28.3)(Basically; the DSA's legal text is written such that it will pigeon-hole the private sector into using zero-knowledge proof techniques such as the upcoming EU digital wallets, because those don't transfer personal data and don't rely on persistent identifiers that could allow for reidentification and/or tracking across the web.)What the DSA does do though, is oblige them to avoid aggressive personalized advertising for any user they should know could reaonably be underage. (Art 28.2)In short platforms like X like to state that this is all "to protect the children" when really, what it's about is goading you to verify your age so they're legally in the clear to bombard you with fucking downright malicious ads again.
So what's the latest rebuttal?Last I saw this it was something along the lines of:>third party elements which are required to run the game won't just go open source/release their stuff for free for this to work
>>720653958>not the EU.It's going to happen there by the end of the year.
>>720654019I don't think that was ever a rebuttal as much as it was a strawman.
>>720653760"the EU" and "europe" are not the same thing
>97% being validMore proof that the EU is incompetent.
>>720645094>tell the devs to put gambling mechanics in thisThat's actually already illegal across the EU under DSA article 28.1The EU Commission considers all forms of coercive game mechanics aimed at pushing consumers to enter transactions they normally would not; or aimed at binding consumers' attention to a title through disingenuous means that do not constitute genuine engagement (e.g. the daily grind consisting of login rewards and action cooldowns) as harmful content to minors.
>>720653958Anon, the UK is not part of the European Union, sure, but its still part of Europe. And Europe wants more online control.
>>720654213You don't know what countries are the EU, or how the EU even works do you.
>>720654291>ESL baffled by the idea there's a distinction between the european union and europe. SKG is an attempt to have the european union regulate what corporations can do in all the member nations, which will override any nations that have allowed corporate personhood to become a concept due to corruption.
>>720647706You ever consider most of the shills are just trolls because you guys act like total faggot dorks about this?
>>720654515That's a no then. Unsurprising.
>>720654639I accept your concession.
>>720654601Look at the post above you and tell me he isn't some kind of Indian shill.
>>720635949buying games will be your life support, prepare for that or rebel.. you're fat anyway naur/qa/ard
>>720654212Is it? Some games require resources developed by a third party to work properly and they can't really be expected to open all their products to be freely available just because it was used in a single licensed product, which they don't see any profit from amounts sold.
>>720633528I hate it so much that we won by luck. The only message that was send to teh wretches on this website was that their circlejerking every day over some random online retard somehow "helped" the campaign instead of going outside and actually campaigning for votes. We got lucky this time
>>720651575>texas effectively controlling education was a mistakeTexas effectively controlling ANYTHING is a mistake.Did they ever fix their utilities' problems btw? Or is the official line still "tough shit, just freeze your nuts off" come winter?
>>720632974Where are the anti SKG trannies now?
>>720654748what caused ESLs to start trying to call native speakers ESL?
>>720633126same, I gave my vote only because of maldavius
>>720653786The original EU publication:https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/library/commission-publishes-guidelines-protection-minorsPlease, do point out via citation where it states any due deadline of 12 months at which age verification becomes mandatory. (Hint: you can't. It's not there.)
>>720633160>expect what I buy to be playable and usable in the future>this is supporting censorshipShut the fuck up nigger.
>>720653786From what I read, it seemed they only postponed chatcontrol for an indefinite amount of time, i.e. it was the same as the last time. There will absolutely be another state which brings it up again, with little modifications. And again. And again. And again, until it eventually passes.
>>720655467>he boughted
>>720654283>Anon, the UK is not part of the European Union, sure, but its still part of Europe. And Europe wants more online control.And the original statement being replied to >>720644053 was "great, can we stop killing porn now?" - i.e. was addressing the same entity where the Citizens Initiative is (as is now evident) going to pass, which is the EU and not the greater Europe.
>>720655130out of arguments. their biggest gun is corporate rights and your rights should tots be teh same yo das freedom!
>>720655571can't find the "dude riding on an apc" reactionimg, so have this instead
>>720653786>EU is also planning chat control.More like:> Some nutjobs within local EU member state governments, which more or less all belong to the same power block at the EU level, time and again try to get a legal proposal accepted and time and again fail because the greater part of the EU tells them to fuck off.
>>720655383show me an news actual article that counter argues all the other articles (i.e. debunking them):https://www.techradar.com/computing/cyber-security/after-the-uk-online-age-verification-is-landing-in-the-eu
Reminder that anyway voicing the argument that this is somehow going to lead to authoritarian interventionism into the "Free-Market" of video games fundamentally misunderstands the situation.The reality is that video game companies have been subsidized on masse in almost every major country, ESG in the states, cultural efforts in places like France, and covert government ownership in Asian countries through conglomerates or outright dictatorship(China when it feels like the free-market trade-offs aren't worth it anymore and their power is threatened). Stop Killing Games however runs totally counter to these mechanisms because it's kicked the hornet's nest on IP. These control mechanisms can't work if people are allowed to create their own Pokemon and sell it for example and that's why you'll see such large pushback against this. Never mind that SOME property rights is always better then NO property rights. Libertarian idealists who don't understand strategy are essentially controlled opposition.
>>720655953https://fightchatcontrol.eu/
>>720656015What part of "it's nowhere in the original source" do you not understand, anon?
>>720656015>I'm gonna ignore the actual legislation>show me an article that addresses my tabloidsNot the anon you're replying to but wew lad
corporate software must be seething right now.
>>720633126Same, but I signed anyways
>>720655935Exactly. I have lost all trust in the EU in the past 10 years.
>>720633126The industry has killed so many games I love that I seriously just want to fuck them over. The only modern game I'd like to be preserved is probably Helldivers 2. I'd say Hunt Showdown but that game has been ruined by all the new updates and crossovers they've added.
>>720656087>Stop Killing Games however runs totally counter to these mechanisms because it's kicked the hornet's nest on IP. These control mechanisms can't work if people are allowed to create their own Pokemon and sell it for example and that's why you'll see such large pushback against this.That has absolutely nothing to do with skg nor would being able to make your own game using someone else's idea stop anything. It would just give corporations more control as they muscle out smaller developers.
>>720656214I didn't sign it because I don't support the government micro managing software, and I wanted to encourage people to do the same, but it was impossible because of that retarded maldavius figtree.
>>720656178>>720656205That says they're guidelines for compliance.They're not 'guidelines' to opt out of the entire thing or not.
>>720656445>The industry has killed so many games I loveYou shouldn't have been playing shovelware then.
>>720656541except its about preventing the holders of intellectual property taking said intellectual property with them when they die
>>720655953>greater part>literally who leech states are against>everyone else is either for or neutral>including frogs, PIGS and germsfuck off kurwa
>>720656015>is given the actual source to verify for himself>either can't or is too lazy to do so>asks for other news outlet references instead>personal opinion is probably wholly reliant on tabloid gutterpress for formative mattersBurger gonna Burger, I suppose.
>>720632974>OH NOOOOOO I CAN'T KILL VIDEO GAMES ANYMORE THIS IS GONNA DESTROY THE INDUSTRYhow about you learn to stop scamming players?
>>720656719It doesn't affect that either. It doesn't have anything to do with actual game properties. You don't know what SKG is about, do you.
>>720656087I mean you’re right about companies just being accessories for governments, but SKG is about preventing games from being sold while the devs have the ability to shut it down.
>>720633160you jews are both censoring and killing games. you get no sympathy from me.stop killing games. stop taking away people's ability to play the games they paid for. you don't get to steal people's money because it's convenience for you.>>720633225>>Support government to do things I want>>Shit on government for doing things I don't want.OYYYYYYY VEYYYYYYYY. BAD GOY BAD. YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SAY THE STATE IS INCAPABLE OF GOOD AND WORSHIP CORPORATIONS YOU FUCKING ANTI-SEMITE
>>720656735>everyone else is either for or neutralThe entire picture presented by the 'fight chat control' site is predisposed on the fact that any one public statement from any one political figure in any one EU member state that does not have an outspoken position, signfies the position of their entire representation in EU Parliament. Which is of course patently stupid nonsense.Half of Denmark's delegates are against, and Denmark fucking reintroduced the proposal.
>>720634008>corposhills were seething so bad about this they resorted to spamming SKG threads with CP.I remember
>>720656541>It would just give corporations more control as they muscle out smaller developers.Already happens unfortunately.Nintendo and other companies will file for patents, trademarks, and copyright in order to quash developers if they get to big while smaller developers don't have the funds or connections to assemble a legal counsel to defend themselves, let alone defend their own "Intellectual property".It's a one-sided system that only protects people who can lobby the government for more arcane laws to inflate legal fees.>That has absolutely nothing to do with skgIt has much to do with it, because when we talk about video games, most are "licensed" or you're buying a license to own a license to own the game. There's a lot of legal webs in place, and the reason you never see them tested is because if you sorted everything out, then it would start the question: "what are you buying when you purchase a video game?" which naturally leads into questions regarding intellectual property.Even if you don't think so, these companies, who lobby the government for unfair advantages, do and will fight tooth-n-nail to stop the topic from being broached. >>720657078Your absolutely right, but what I'm saying here is that the government already has their hand in the video game industry, so SKG is not some new 'invitation' for the EU to give themselves more power, because they already have that ability.
>>720656541that has nothing to do with SKG retardyou want to kill games and steal people's moneyall that we ask is the ability to keep hosting and playing games after you shut the official servers down. just like you can spin up a terraria server and play with your friends
>>720657027>it doesn't have anything to do with what its explicitly stated goals arenot sending their best
>>720633126I just want to play Hitman Freelancer offline.I will say yes to any legal action to make that happen.
>>720657282>government regulation of video games is pointless because governments are already involved in video gamesbrilliant
>>720632974Does this mean death to censorship, ugly women and bad localization? If it's only to counter live service slop, then I don't care because who the fuck buys live service slop anyways
>>720632974reminder they will just make every game a service with temporary access you will own nothing
>>720649212>Anon, you know that's how Disney got to where it is, right?they also were the ones that lobbied the goverment for more strict IP laws and patent laws, they WANT IP laws to exist. because without it their lawsuits cannot work.
the real reason the industry opposes SKG is because they earn a fuckton of money from microtransactions. then they shut down the game and launch a new one to repeat the cycle anewby letting people continue to play after shutdown, they'd be forced to compete with their old games, something they absolutely don't want.
>>720657680they already do that with live service games and game pass
>Corpo-shills argument collapses and becomes pure nonsense the second IP and patent laws get brought up and that the corporations are in favor of those
>>720657680the goal is to prevent thathence why the corps are shitting themselves so hard
>>720656087just say that free market capitalism doesnt exist anymore
>>720657636>Does this mean death to censorship, ugly women and bad localization?yes because if then they cannot shut down games that do not have that stuff.
>>720657231member-berries status: clutched
>>720641634It's ironic that the people in the country of freedom protect apple that not allowing third party storefronts and sideloading is apple protecting them. I guess you have to freedom to give your freedom away, but it is quite ironic that your basic murican trusts multi-billion company over their government.
>>720657863they're in favor of being able to do whatever they want with their IP. this is about establishing regulations that state they can't.you aren't allowed to publish a book with a self-destruct device. why should video games be treated differently?
>>720657910it never existed. its like anarchy. once two "free market" entities start working together against the market, its no longer a free market.
>>720657883>outlaw service modeltry to thinkif you have brain at all
>>720649212disney got where it is by>pillaging and ransacking the public domain>kicking the ladder by pushing for draconian IP laws (pushed copyright to author's life+70 years, or 95 years for joint works)>suing the pants out of everyone else who dared follow their footstepsif the laws disney pushed for had existed when walt disney launched his company, his movies would have been illegal to make>So basically if you create and just fucking ask there's no issueyou're delusional if you think it's as simple as make proof of concept->make pitch->permission grantedif the company isn't interested, you're shit outta luck. the system sucks. just look at the holmes and tolkien estates being bloodsucking parasites without contributing a single thing to their legacies
>>720658113I accept your concession.a "service model" is not possible for any other product. why should video games be allowed to be both products and services?
>>720633160I do not see the correlation between these. A company charging me for a product and then deciding that I can no longer use the product I purchased and a company being forced to oblige by regulations set by the government don't seem particularly close to me.
>>720658102its still exists in the countries where not everything is overregualted and stiffed by the taxes
>>720657282>Nintendo and other companies will file for patents, trademarks, and copyright in order to quash developersOkay, give an example.So far we haven't had any instances of IP being used to quash developers that's are being original, just the ones who have been stealing from others which is why IP law needs to exist.Pocketpair is a good example of this since they've basically built their entire company on making clones of more successful games and selling their product at a premium.That said the instant you remove IP law you'll see bigger entities doing the same, just downloading games and distributing it through their services without the original owner seeing a penny or being able to defend themselves.>It's a one-sided system that only protects people who can lobby the government for more arcane laws to inflate legal fees.IP law is incredibly simple to understand and there haven't really been any major amendments in how it functions other than length and that benefits the smaller creator too.>It has much to do with itNo it doesn't. skg was never about anything to do with IP.>most are "licensed" or you're buying a license to own a license to own the game.Yeah, that's how it works worldwide for every piece of media physical or digital. You buy a licence and you own that copy legally and can use it privately and the reason it's like that is to differentiate between owning the copy and owning the property. You can do whatever you want with your copy within the privacy of your own home.
>>720658259palworld stole nothingnintendo's patents are bullshitSKG will triumph and games will stop being killedcase closed
>>720657986becasue burgers are literally mindbroken over corporations being the saints and ANY goverment gibs that are not about bailing corporations out being literal communism. a honest to god nations of corpo cucks, nothing else
several billion dollar companies are against this they will successfully lobby against this just getting lawmakers to talk about it isn't going to go anywhere
>>720657986>but it is quite ironic that your basic murican trusts multi-billion company over their government.i don't trust either because in murican, because the goverment plays favorite to companies with big money, hence why we have that awful DMCA thing because the film and music industries lobbied to have it be bias in their favor.
>>720658259>conflating ownership of a copy with ownership of the franchiseYou have the literacy skills of a 4th grader. There's no need to debate you.
>>720657282>if you sorted everything out, then it would start the question: "what are you buying when you purchase a video game?" which naturally leads into questions regarding intellectual property.Again, no because when you "sort it out" it's extremely simple people will know exactly what they own and will basically nod their head and say "yes that's reasonable they made it after all" rather than "no I don't like this I should be able to do what I want" for the simply fact that it wouldn't apply solely to them.>these companies, who lobby the government for unfair advantages, Anon, they don't have any advantages that you wouldn't have if you did the same, that's why you can't name any.As IP law is right now they can't just steal IPs from under someone's nose, nor can they register something that already existed contrary to /v/'a poor understanding of how IP law works.A good example of this equality was the Super Mario Supermarket case.Nintendo's ownership of the trademark in that region had expired, someone had registered it before they could reapply, defended it and Nintendo lost. If the world worked the way you think it does Nintendo would have won and they would have gotten the trademark back.
>>720658239no, it doesn't. absolutely no place on earth has a equal balance of government regulation (read: consumer protections) and corporate power. its either one way or the other.corporations will say the places they own are ancap paradises though.
>>720658209you are clearly not thinking, you are not even aware of the world where digital/online service the the main model nowyou really need to look around more and start using your brain
>>720658441i don't fucking carei'll keep obstructing corpo rats until my body is an empty husk
>>720658259nintendo is suing plaworld with patents that the goverment gave them AFTER palworld came out.>>720658370also fun fact Nintendo cards legit have nothing on them, and the games will be dead once the servers for the SWITCH 2 goes down
>>720657732>they WANT IP laws to existYes, yes they do. They did so to prevent people from using their original ideas to do what they did.It's almost as if IP laws prevent entities like Disney from expanding freely and pushing people out.
>>720658731>nintendo is suing plaworld with patents that the goverment gave them AFTER palworld came out.They're being sued in Japan.The Japanese versions of the patent were registered in 2021 three years before the release of Palworld. That's why I used pocketpair as an example, you know they developed Palworld, right?
>>720658739IP laws exist to enrich the rich, retarddisney was able to get where it did because of the public domain>inb4 abolish the public domainif you think this you should be castrated by having boiling mercury poured on your balls
>>720657680my faith in normgroids is low but it is not so low that I believe they'd ever actually be willing to switch to what is essentially cloud gaming
>>720658607I accept your concession.the closest thing to an argument you possibly have here is most games are live services and... they'll be affected? and that's a bad thing?
>>720658739ip laws didn't stop disney from expanding into star wars and ruining it for everyone forever, neither it stopped microsoft and ea buying up everything not nailed down only to sit on their ips and do nothing
>>720632974between this and indie games having to lower their prices because of s*lks*ng the game industry will collapse, good job chuds
>>720658441>they will successfully lobby against this It's the EU so that kinda stuff doesn't work anywhere near as well as in the US.You're going to learn the hard way that the US is not actually the center of the planet and that things don't work the same in other places.They made Apple kneel and adopt USB-C globally because they were tired of the bespoke fucking cables and ports on devices where it was not necessary at all.
>>720658927Shittendo amended the patents after the fact, something fucking abherrant and preposterous.>>720658998Remember they also pushed for longer copyright terms (so-called Mickey Mouse Protection Act) to fuck over everyone else.
>>720658739>IP laws prevent entities like Disney from expanding freelyyou mean prevent them from just stealing other people's ideas and calling them their own?
>SKG is done, signatures are collected, it's out of the public's hands now >demoralization campaign still in full swing What are you shills even doing at this point?Go home and do something actually useful for your masters.
>>720658259>just the ones who have been stealing from othersIf having creature animal friends, using them as mounts to traverse, a HUD icon showing me that I can interact with an object, or using a device to store a beast in for convinient travel is "stealing" then that's exactly why we need to change the systema and its meanings. Everything you love has been iterated on and defined by your predecessors. Art styles themselves have evolved from the tutelage of classical artists. Same for movies, writing, film, and video games. Without Quake we wouldn't have TF2. Without Dragon Quest we wouldn't have Pokemon. Without Ace Attorney we wouldn't have Danganronpa. Without Mario we wouldn't have had Sonic. Some games take ideas and evolve them, others polish. This is how the bar of standards in games are made and raised. And like art, writing, and movies, games NEED that evolution to prevent the "old money" of games from becoming too stsgnant at the top, that's exactly how you get Pokemon allowed to be in the sorry ass state its in giving a fuck about plushes and trading cards than the actual flagship games they are all centered around when they have no threats to contest or prove better than in the market. Reminder despite how many comparisons you can draw between Palworld's designs and Pokemon's it isn't on copywrite they sued over, it's patents.
>>720658998>IP laws exist to enrich the richClearly not if the rich can take more advantage of a IP lawless world more than one with it. I mean, think about all the things Disney has paid for over the years, do you think they would have bought marvel comics if they could have just taken the IPs that would have been in the public domain by then?
>>720659169>prevent them from just stealing other people's ideas and calling them their own?that falls under plagiarism and fraudplagiarism (passing off someone else's work as your own) is illegal regardless of copyright statusyou are a dumb lawlet
I feel like if such a thing happens it would just incentivize companies to create games in ways that let them exploit loopholes or to employ malicious compliance. You can't actually get companies to act 100% in accordance with how they should with their consumers.
>>720659196Like what
>>720659316>that falls under plagiarism and fraudyou mean laws that existed before disney started trying to erase the public domain, despite the public domain being their original source of profit?
>>72063335397% of 1.44 million, not 1 million
>>720659304And everyone else could take them too and if disney version of those ips suck they will be laughed out of the room. Why are you anti competition commie again?
>>720659304>IP laws exist to stop others from exploiting the work of others! you have to be original!>public domain? oh hey uhm...>forking over money to snatch up licenses and rehash shit over and over? ahaha yeah uh... about that... you see...god you're too dumb for words. if copyright was about fostering originality then it would be illegal to sell intellectual property and everyone would be required to create shit from scrtatchit's obvious that the system exists to favor megacorporationswhat's more, suing (and defending from a lawsuit) is so expensive most people go bankrupt.damages are so onerous (up to 150k per infringement) it's fucking ridiculous
>>720659398Telemarketing
>>720658739>It's almost as if IP laws prevent entities like Disney from expanding freely and pushing people out.except one thing, they would not be able to do that, as without IP laws, they legit cannot sue them for anything at all.lawsuits and other things corporations do to fuck over people require laws and the courts, without IP laws, their lawsuits would just get thrown out.>The Japanese versions of the patent were registered in 2021 three years before the release of Palworld. That's why I used pocketpair as an example, you know they developed Palworld, right?and Nintendo is suing them to keep their monopoly on video games, they at some point even wanted to patent jumping in video games.>>720659169>>720659304>you mean prevent them from just stealing other people's ideas and calling them their own?They won't be able to call it their own because they would not be able to own it at all, and there would nothing to stop people from stealing the company's ideas and calling it their own. Their entire monopolies would collapse as they can no longer sue their competition into the ground, and people can just make alternatives if a company ruins the original.>>720659402fun fact Micky mouse would of been in public dominion already if Disney have not been lobbying to extend IP ownership.
>>720633572doubt he would post this without having already counted nearly all of them
>>720658441read: >>720641634
>>720634050
>>720634050That nigga lost the Wikipedia article for Heartbound because he was the only person writing and maintaining it.
>>720633160>>720633359>the seething replies to these postsKek
>>720632974BUT AT WHAT COST?
>>720659895never would i thought I would see a worse dev then yanderedev
>>720643987Fuck off Jason
>>720659924massive deluges of autistic screeching from corpos every day
>>720659635>its the dex vs str except capitalist versionyou're not going to outmanevuer a massive monopoly with your plucky little upstart company. the only reason large corporations are "slow" today is because of all the regulations (read: red tape) restricting their movements. without those, and with modern technology, size would equal speed.so, without IP laws, which disney created so others couldn't profit off "their" designs/media, a massive corporation would be watching for anything remotely successful and immediately copy it and push it in their markets.fun fact: Behind the Green Door was the most profitable pornography film ever released, probably still is. the filmmakers didn't get any of that money because the mob just stole it and aired it without permission.
>>720633160I have lolbert fatigue
>>720660092>if it sucks they are laughing stock>if it succeeds we have a new high budget entry and everyone is happyI don't see any downsides for consumer.
>>720659223>If having creature animal friends, using them as mounts to traverse, a HUD icon showing me that I can interact with an object, or using a device to store a beast in for convinient travel is "stealing" then that's exactly why we need to change the systema and its meaningsSee, the problem here is that you don't understand no one owns the broad concepts or mechanics and whatnot, nor is what you mentioned even part of the case.Copyright covers creative works, ie stories, characters, music whatever. It doesn't mean you own the concept of a monster tamer.Patents cover the function of an invention ie how it works not what it is. Patenting the steam engine woulsnt affect an engine that runs on petrol or an electric car.Trademark is a logo, phrase whatever and that's the only particularly iffy one and that goes both ways since it's as hard to defend as it is to get one. Just look at the repeated failure of the monster energy drink company.None of these mean you can't iterate. In fact it encourages iteration and improvement without IP law you wouldn't have TF2, they would have just used Quake.You wouldn't have Sonic because they could just use Mario.You wouldn't have Palworld because they could just use pokemon.You wouldn't have Danganronpa because they would have just used Ace Attorney.See how that works? They wouldn't have their unique mechanics or styles because it's more cost effective to just make what already exists and slap a new story on it and sell it for full price.
>>720660092>the only reason large corporations are "slow" today isbecause they are failing due to completely ruining their IPs>>720660180honestly they should be treated the same way as communists because they are one and the same
>>720660314pretty sure you replied to the wrong post>>720660365non-sequitur.
>>720660314same, that guy doesn't seem to realize that consumers only care what benefits them the most
>>720659223>that's exactly how you get Pokemon allowed to be in the sorry ass state its in Completely different matter caused by the lack of competition. Despite the fact that there's a sea of monster tamers out there pokemon still sits at the pinnacle as a game regardless of graphics and performance since you're getting more monsters, more content, a wider world, multiplayer. Why would they try if their worst is still better than the competition? As much as shitposters are trying to latch on to time stranger it's just visually pretty it has less monsters, one battle mode, very small maps. Why would anyone into pokemon even entertain it when they could just buy a pokemon game for 10 dollars less and get more as a game?It wouldn't make sense would it, which is how you end up with Digimon and SMT being niche games for dedicated audiences and not being a threat to pokemon. That and the fanbase generally being neglected and taking anything they can getI would know I'm a Bandai whore and I'm going to grab that Kaiser Greymon to add to my Greymon collection and maybe another metal to paint blue. >Reminder despite how many comparisons you can draw between Palworld's designs and Pokemon's it isn't on copywrite they sued over, it's patents.Yeah.Patent infringement.Aka IP infringement.They both fall under the same banner of someone stealing an idea.
>>720660553people have been begging for a pokemon mmo for decades. pokemon had some weird internal rules that said "never." palworld delivers a "pokemon" mmo. its instantly successful and is competition for pokemon. instead of stepping up their pokemon game, nintendo tried to sue.
>>720659568>And everyone else could take them too and if disney version of those ips suck they will be laughed out of the roomThat's not how that works. Disney already have the money and resources to make a better product, in fact because of how many competing products there are they could further lower the quality because the bar is set so low that their worst stands out. Even in the event someone does make a good product they can just bury them under ads. >Why are you anti competition commie again?You're saying that while defending a world that would result in less work for more gain for corporations.
>>720660740they had plans for one back in gen 3 but nothing ever came of it
>>720659635>they legit cannot sue them for anything at all.Okay? And how are the smaller guys going to defend themselves when Disney steal their ideas and use their money to advertise the product they didn't make? They can't sue Disney either and they don't have the money or platforms to match their assault. >and Nintendo is suing them to keep their monopoly on video games, they at some point even wanted to patent jumping in video games. Neither of these statements are true.
>>720660778>Disney already have the money and resources to make a better productEvidently not with how Star Wars turned out under them.
>>720660969because shitting out "new" games every couple of years was infinitely more profitable.
>>720632974>succeeded>only thing the xitter screencap says is "maybe someone from the higher ups will probably look at this", something which has already been said previouslyWhy are you braindead morons so disingenuous?
>>720632974>600K BOTTED SIGNATURES THEY SAIDOH NO NO NO NO NO
>>720661047without the laws disney pushed into being, in 1977 disney could've just taken a film reel of star wars and slapped their logos on it and used their massive distribution network to profit off "their" movie, is the point you're missing. outside of IP law, there is nothing preventing this.it is exactly what happened with behind the green door.
>>720660740>nintendo tried to sue.Yes, not because they were popular but because they stole a patented mechanic instead of making it on their own.Let me ask you something though, why does it make you mad that Nintendo is defending themselves when pocketpair is a company that stole from indies in the past? Nevergrave is a copy of hollow knight and pocketpair is a larger entity than team cherry. Does that suddenly make theft of an idea good to you or does team cherry being smaller now make it bad?
>someone is actually attempting to argue how pro-corpo laws are actually bad for the corposthis guy must be trolling
>>720661047Anon, no matter how you feel about star wars now as a movie and visual experience it's better than say a small indie sci-fi film.
>>720661271>>720661390That is literally not what ip laws are for you disingenuous fucking nigger
>>720661617That's literally what IP laws prevent anon and why they were made.
>>720661402>what about this game in an intensely over-saturated genre that isn't out yet and is developed by a different company??
>>720634087alternately, not existing, a money funnel to Israel, or an tyrannically oppressive regime to everyone who isn't them
>>720660347>no one owns the broad concepts or mechanics and whatnotAccording to the patent office, they do. That is the problem. >Copyright covers creative works, ie stories, characters, music whatever. It doesn't mean you own the concept of a monster tamer.Correct, Copywrite is what defines the character Pikachu from being used or copied blatently by someone else. What we are discussing are patents which do preside over conceptual matters as mechanics and systems, which is what the lawsuit is over. I'm not understanding what the disconnect is, it seems like you properly understand what mechanical patents cover, so why are you for them?>They wouldn't have their unique mechanics or styles because it's more cost effective to just make what already exists and slap a new story on it and sell it for full price.That's presumptuous. Naka wanted Sonic to be a faster Mario. If you hold the rights to "2d sidescrolling running and jumping" than no matter what spin i put on it you'd have grounds to sue over me infringing your patent as I release Sonic. Doesn't matter if I want to use verticality, power ups, if I want to invent the ring health system, add grinding rails, Nintendo would, under this system, have grounds to sue. That isn't good. >>720660553>Why would they try if their worst is still better than the competition?Nobody said they were better than the competition. Pokemon already has a dedicated userbase of fans. Despite going to shit Star Wars and Star Trek are still the kings of scifi fiction, no matter how good other sci fi works that come out are you have to fight advertising, audiance capture, and the old series that people swear are still good that nobody else has. Pokemon is quite literally on eof the most lucrative franchises of all time and it's not because of quality. Competition getting quashed because they sue when feeling threatened shows me they can't and aren't willing to take competition on the maket.
>>720661705No it isn't and you know it. Do show me a big studio movie that was stolen that way before 1977 outside of that stupid porn movie you mentioned like 3 times already.
>>720661402What're they defending themself from exactly? Someone making a game that they refuse to? Like of all the angles they could've gone after Palworld from they chose to go the route that they didn't even pioneer by making insanely broad patent claims that they never should have been granted? I could see them going "this pal looks too much like a pokemon, change it" but "summoning" and "riding animals"? Fuck off.
>>720661878how about disney using public domain material while the original authors were still alive?
>>720661716>click link>takes you to pocketpair pageAnd if you go back and look at the page last year you get thishttps://web.archive.org/web/20240120201714/https://store.steampowered.com/app/2395770/Never_Grave_The_Witch_and_The_Curse/Seems like a certain company is being unnecessarily shady all of a sudden
>>720633126Same, but it fucks over big publishers so i'm happy.
>>720633359>another retard that thinks government is some mythodological creature obeying some arbitrary set of rules rather than being an institution composed of humans
>>720661402With patents they wrote up after Pocketpair already released their game in early access? Mostly because those concepts should not be "owned" by anyone, but also because they weren't the first to do any if those, and also because they are singling out Pocketpair when the entire world of vidya is, once again, founded on evolving ideas from others in their own way. Why isn't Harvest Moon suing for Animal Crossing? Why isn't Dragon Quest Builders suing for Pokemon Pokopia? Why are you defending Pokemon stealing ideas if you feel so strongly about this?
>>720661965So that is a no then. Public domain is called public domainfor a reason, reason being everyone can use it, like disney did. Only disney made sure nobody could do so with ip laws they fucking lobbied after they made it big. And you are still choosing to die on the hill of protecting them of robbing everyone else of having the same opportunity they had back then, holy fuck.
>>720633126it's a damn shame the vast majority of the games that needed saving were from the 2010's and everything being made now is unmitigated garbage
>>720662006that's nice and all, but why are you choosing metroidvania as a hill to die upon?
>Its ok when the big corporations do it and then pull the ladder up so that nobody else can.
>>720662250>goalposts launch into orbitdisney got laws passed that made their business model illegal to others.
>>720662363and that's a bad thing
>>720662461so why are you defending them?
>>720662552Why do you?
>>720662552>skg thread derailed to discuss palworld vs kiketendo lawsuitI'm nooticing>>720662362>>Its ok when the big corporations do it and then pull the ladder up so that nobody else can.of course it is you stupid racist anti-semitic gentile. how dare you question our methods you fucking bigot! you should be executed for being so intolerant
>>720662627so you concede that IP laws prevent large corporations from taking a small company's work and selling it as their own, and there are no other legal protections in place.
>>720634087Mutts think the constitution is literally a magic document describing the laws of reality that cannot be changed, despite most of the shit they care about in it being changes themselves (amendments). Then, they operate on vampire rules, that the government can't change (or ignore, like right now) it without the public "inviting" it in, like a vampire into a house.
>>720662767>ESL shitting on the constitutionwhat's next, going to malign the magna carta?
>>720662731no one defends IP lawif you think taking someone else's ideas and making money off them is bad then you should know the public domain exists for just that purpose and you should jump into a volcano.
>>720661863>According to the patent office, they do.According to the Patent Office, no, no they don't.This is how it works>Patents cover the function of an invention ie how it works not what it is. Patenting the steam engine woulsnt affect an engine that runs on petrol or an electric car.And that's paraphrased from their documents. It doesn't cover concepts, like I said, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of this.>What we are discussing are patents which do preside over conceptual matters as mechanics and systems, which is what the lawsuit is over.Fortunately I explained all three would you like me to post the patent one again?>I'm not understanding what the disconnect isOf course you don't, you don't understand it, period and you're not even trying to. It's almost as if you just want to be angry for no reason.>Naka wanted Sonic to be a faster Mario. Mechanically Mario is faster than Sonic but that also came out of the fact that they couldn't use Mario. And don't forget, eggman was originally a design for the protagonist and his design isn't that far away from Mario.>If you hold the rights to "2d sidescrolling running and jumping" than no matter what spin i put on it you'd have grounds to sue over me infringing your patent as I release Sonic. For starters you can't own the concept of 2d side scroller.Secondly if Nintendo owned jumping it wouldn't affect sonic because their jumping is completely different, Sonic turning into a nigh invulnerable hitbox upon jumping and the jump being affected by the incline is more than enough to set it apart as a unique idea that could be patented itself.Mega man's jumping could also be patented too since it does the opposite and you can't use the jump as an offensive option at all.That's how patents and originality work.
>>720662854>shill uses nonsense>nothing happens
>>720661863>Nobody said they were better than the competition.I did.That's exactly what I explained in that post even going so far as to mention the features.No matter how much you kick and scream about it being shit the fact is that everything else is much lower on the ladder and that's why they're allowed to be "lazy".>no matter how good other sci fi works that come outAnd that's the problem, nothing better has come out.You need to stop looking at these from the perspective of a pokemon and star wars fan and start looking it things as a whole.
>>720661390its funny how people don't realize this
>>720662943>calling people against copyright shillsthere you have it folks. a complete and total retard, or a corporate lackey
>>720641962>this only applies to the people that bought for itAnd? What do we give a fuck, get off your ass yourself and demand your rights or enjoy the corpo pegging faggot>>720632974
>>720662362Yes? Because it's a double edged sword you fuckwit.They pulled up the ladder but they also destroyed their tool to climb so they're stuck just as much as everyone else.
>>720663037yes. you are shilling for a world where the giant corporations have all rights.
>>720647336streamers shouldn't be paid at all, let alone enough to make a living
>>720662273Look at that goalpost fly.
>>720663037anyone calling for deregulation is a corporate shill, yes. anyone who fell for the free market fantasy is a corporate shill. anyone who thinks they'll be able to compete with a giant corporation because they're smaller is a corporate shill.
>>720663037Of course you're a shill you're advocating for a world where people who already have power are the only ones who can gain more.
>>720661965>how about disney using public domain material while the original authors were still alive?if it's in the public domain then it's 100% a-okholy shit kill yourselfcopyright was invented by the jewish london stationers company to force authors to sell their manuscripts (along with the rights) for peanuts. authors' choices were to either give away the rights almost for free or to forego being printedcopyright is trash. a garbage law made to fuck over the small guy and benefit printers and publishers. every increase in length further stifles creativity
>>720663147what goalpost? comparing a store-brand pokemon mmo to a metroidvania? where did you think this would go?
>>720663268>copyright was invented by the jewish london stationers company to force authors to sell their manuscriptsNigger what? The statue of Anne was created specifically to STOP those Jews.
>>720663070>>720663000You shills are richWell not literally, but I hope it pays the bills or something at least.
>>720663103>>720663184>>720663234you fucking retards, copyrights let corporations sit on treasure troves of IPs and do nothing with them for decades. by the time anything you saw while you were alive enters the public domain you'll be nothing but bones and dustthe system is shit
>>720663268>jews originally made thing therefore thing bad... such stellar reasoning. i didn't realize the concept of copyrights haven't changed since 1709
>>720662828Im not shitting on it. Im shitting on the retards that treat it like it's the word of god guaranteed to be upheld while trump is actively violating it right fucking now
>>720663276Maybe you should have read the post first.>Let me ask you something though, why does it make you mad that Nintendo is defending themselves when pocketpair is a company that stole from indies in the past? Nevergrave is a copy of hollow knight and pocketpair is a larger entity than team cherry. Does that suddenly make theft of an idea good to you or does team cherry being smaller now make it bad?
>>720663357>be stationer company>crown refuses to renew monopoly on printing>cry crocodile tears before parliament to earn their sympathy, cry "THINK OF DA AUTHURZ">they pass the statute>proceed to buy manuscripts and rights for like 2 pounds>print thousands of copies without giving authors a single pence>????>PROFIT!you are a retard
>>720663454yes, that is a problem that should be addressed. not a reason to discard the entire concept.
>>720663621every time you defend copyright another shitty rehash gets announced
>>720663454>copyrights let corporations sit on treasure troves of IPs and do nothing with them for decades.Yeah so? Who fucking cares?It's not stopping anyone from making things like spiritual successors and whatnot because no one can own broad concepts.The only reason you have to be mad about it is if you're attached to a fucking brand like a child.
>>720663562a corporation using legal bullshit to quash a product that threatens their business model... by competing with it in a form people have wanted for decades is simply wrong.making a metroidvania doesn't really compare to this. there's even the argument that some people don't like the bug designs and would like to play as a generic whore.
>>720634805The world's smartest conservative.
>>720663690i accept your concession
>>720663748Apparently it does, do name a single star wars spiritual successors that took of.
>>720663748>It's not stopping anyone from making things like spiritual successorsexcept those companies can just sue those spiritual successors for copyright violations for being "too similar" because of how bad IP laws are.
>>720659898>reply to yourself going "BRO EVERYONE IS SO MAD BRO XDDD"its like upboating yourself on reddit, peak cringeola desu
>>720663973guardians of the galaxy
>>720663872>starts pretending xe wonwow you shill trannies are delusional trying to gaslight people into thinking that copyright is goodif copyright were actually good then corporations would be working toward weakening the laws, if not repeal them outright
>>720663583Look at this Jewish cunt trying to revise historyMeanwhile in reality>be stationer company>>crown refuses to renew monopoly on printing>Statute of Anne is implemented to completely fuck Stationers over>>cry out loud about how they can't censor shit anymore repeatedly for TEN YEARS>get fucked over by the Statute of Anne which not only resulted in them giving proceeds to creators but also resulted in the creation of the public domainYeah that's right, you just called the public domain a Jewish creation.
>>720664243when you respond without an argument, you concede.
>>720663974>except those companies can just sue those spiritual successors for copyright violations for being "too similar" because of how bad IP laws are.Name one instance of a spiritual successor being sued.And that doesn't mean nonsense on the same tier "Slar Bores" with Duke Starunner and Dark Aider.
>>720664243>corporations would be working toward weakening the laws, if not repeal them outrightthey are. hence why you're here.
>>720664015>no equivalent of jedi, sith, lightsabers, ship design sucks and entirely different tone of the whole thingThat is not what spiritual successor is.
>>720664397>Name one instance of a spiritual successor being sued.palworld
>>720664542That's a clone you fuckwit.
>>720664542>its only a spiritual successor if its identicalyeah okay
>>720664591Spiritual sequel is a legally distinct clone yeah.
>>720664568Not a spiritual successor.Hell as a game it would have been fine if they didn't steal mechanics verbatim.
>>720664680its pokemon in a mmo form. which is what people have wanted from pokemon for decades, which nintendo themselves nixed because they preferred with "shit games out every few years" model.
>>720664314>xe is too retarded to recognize argumentspar for the course for a tranny corpo shill>>720664402>corpo shill accusing others of being corpo shillsnice projection
>>720664778Not only is it not an MMO but the only things it has in common with pokemon are the monsters and the stolen mechanics.Not to mention pokemon isn't an MMO so that still doesn't make it a spiritual successor. And no, no one wanted a pokemon MMO.If you don't know what a spiritual successor is then look at something like Spark the Electric Jester, that's a spiritual successor to Sonic.
>>720664865and now we hit the "no you" phase of debating with ESLs
>>720664971so we're back to >>720664591 >>720664651
>>720664673>hmm, how do i make a spiritual successor to star wars without getting sued>okay i'll drop the laser swords, the force, and the jedi
>>720665209You can have laser swords and space magic without it being star wars, otherwise phantasy star and gundam would be sued by disney decades ago.
>>720665209>get sued anyways because the company doesn't like competition
>>720665448>otherwise phantasy star and gundam would be sued by disney decades ago.only because Japanese courts have biases for Japanese companies.
if you want to know the man proof that copyright laws and IP laws are shit, just look at what happened with Macross for decades
>>720665209Question, do you consider Gundam a spiritual successor?
>>720633275Except that the EU has a track record of conflating that real fast.That guideline for games to not use fake currency as a way to disguise real money? That shit contains a provision at the end that makes games that glorify right wing ideologies illegal. At best this will sterilize games and at worst games will entirely turn into digital licenses because now you're paying for a 1 year subscription for new games.
>>720665556Based nips
>>720665556No its because they don't have grounds to do so. Bamco in particular would countersue Disney into oblivion.
>>720665448>>720665728i was wondering where you were going with that. the response is kinda obvious. no giant robots in star wars.
>>720665746>implementing regulations that prevent games from being treated as a hybrid of service and product will make all games subscription basedthese threads are always amazing
>>720665908Okay...But you have giant warshipsWars and various war crimes including the destruction of a planetLightsabersJedi in the form of newtypes who have an assortment of different powers including telekinesis which is the main ability of the force.
>>720666183and yet all anyone cares about is the giant robots
>>720666352What makes you think that the public opinion matters?
>>720666517because if it was internationally successful for reasons other than the giant robots, ie, its similarity to star wars, lucasarts would've sued. but since it was mostly unheard for for decades after star wars, no lawsuit.
>>720666649>if it was internationally successfulIt is.They have no grounds to sue.
>>720666649The giant robots don't matter. If they have even one thing that's infringing that's it, there's grounds to sue. That's why Nintendo can sue Palworld for 3 mechanics despite 90% of the game begging different.Why is it that no one here understands how IP law works?
>>720666740so now we hit an IQ barrier, where you can't map the idea that gundam wasn't internationally successful originally, because it became internationally successful later.
>>720666880you can sue for whatever reason you want.
>>720667157or worse, "internationally successful" meaning in a bunch of shitholes
