Why don't JRPGs sell?
Perhaps they should make better games.
>>720661524didn't know modern FF was THAT bad
>>720661269cause they are not rpgs
>>720661620japan is basically dead, they mostly play mobile/switch only
>>720661620>>720661741It's retail sales, even if Japan is stuck in the past the vast majority of games is sold digitally these days.
>>720661269Because they're not woke enough, the west has anti woke fatigue
Not enough lolis in them
>>720661269Because the J in JRPGS was the reason they sold a ton back in the 90s and early 2000s. The Japanese market is where their biggest consumers were, but Japan stopped giving a shit, and the market share for games dropped like a lead balloon.
I'm tired of jrpg.
Pokemon does
>>720661269Not enough uncensored dicks and bear fucking, literally
>>720661269???
>>720661524ff8 confirmed best mainline ff
>>720662051>The best one sold the leastthat's why pokemon died.
>>720662051Pokemanbabies will buy literal shit just because it has a Pokemon trademark on it.
>>720661269Jarpigtrash has 0 roleplaying, that's why.
>>720662051the fact that both nintendo and pokemon fans view palworld as a competitor means that nobody plays pokemon for its gameplay genre
>>720661269
>>720662649i've played pokémon for 20+ years and i can tell you that the jrpg portion is my least favorite part of the games
>>720663272weird 20 year cope
>>720663272I agree but only because the modern engine/battle system is fucking awful for no reason. Menuing is slow and unresponsive in inconsistent ways and battles take way too fucking long to do anything (even just sending out a Pokémon and running away), even accounting for not being able to turn off battle animations anymore because go fuck yourself.
>>720661269What do you mean, exp33 is this year biggest hit
>>720663440yeah that's how jrpg fans feel after getting mogged by pokémon for all those years
>>720661269outdated graphic outdated gameplay outdated story telling
>>720662128But it sold the most??
>>720664119tell that to pokemon
>>720664010Pokemon IS a JRPG
>>720662329>What is FF5
>>720665453
>>720665467what the fuck does rpg even mean at this point if we're going to act like dragon quest and elden ring as the same genre
>>720661269Modern JRPGs are otakuslop, or even worse, fujoslop. They only appeal to the most pathetic dregs of society.
>>720661524I would've bought Rebirth week one if it was on PS4. I'm not buying a PS5.
BG3 is fun from start to finish. Most JRPGs are a slog to get through. The few ones that aren't are received well and also sell a ton.
>>720665845>Japanese>role-playing game>not a Japanese role-playing game
>>720665467Elden Ring is an Action RPG, more similar to games like Diablo or Monster Hunter.
>>720665898This. There was a time when it wasn't a loser core genre.
>>720661269Shallow mechanical gameplay that makes people fall asleep compared to BG3's flashy field interactions
>>720666082So Final Fantasy isn't a JRPG anymore?How about Kingdom Hearts?
JRPGs aren't RPGs normalfags are finally waking up to that.
>>720665103All he said applies to pokemon, except the gameplay itself is extremely barebones and it's still the biggest media franchise in the world, so it'll sell no matter what.
>>720665845>>720666082all rpg means is being able to level upan rpg fan is pretty much the same thing as general enjoyer of all video game genres
>>720666246Modern FF is a jarpig that tries really hard to be an RPG but failing to do so.
>>720661269E33 might have actually made more money, seeing as they had a much smaller budget/team and don't have to pay Hasbro for the license. It's a retarded comparison either way, because one is made by an established studio with a major IP and the other one is a completely new title from a completely new studio.Loved both games, btw. Loved expedition 33 more.
>>720663272The battle system in these games is the best part which is VGC and Showdown are so big. It's a deeper and more complex system than 99% of JRPGs but retards sleep on it because they never engage with the games beyond the main story.
>>720666421>all rpg means is being able to level upVagrant Story doesn't have that.
>>720665981>BG3 is fun from start to finishBG3 falls off a cliff after act 1The larian special
>>720666246Action RPG isn't just that the action is in real time, is that the emphasis is in clearing dungeons, collecting loot, and defeating difficult bosses.For JRPGs the emphasis is on linear storytelling with long dialogues, tons of cutscenes, character drama and visual grandeur. This while still having some RPG elements like leveling and maybe a party system.
>>720661269>>720666524Why is /v/ so obsessed with this game?Every day I see people on here arguing about it constantly, I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere else in months
>>720666421>Devil May Cry 3 is a RPG
A lot of newer ones have shitty anime art styles
>>720666246FF16 definitely isn't an RPG
>>720666421except FF2 doesn't have levelling
>>720666572You didn't even play the game. On launch threads everyone who parroted that the game is front loaded refused to post screenshots because none of them played the game. There's a fuckton of game left after Act 1 and you don't even see any major plot development until Act 2.
>>720666561>>720666802They both have stat growth.
>>720666579It's not an "Action RPG" if it doesn't have "dungeons" and "bosses"?
>>720666609/v/ hates good new games because it goes against its favourite narrative of old good new bad
>>720666863Larian games are front-loaded. They spend 70% of their development time working and reworking on act 1 in their early access phase and then rush the rest. You have played the game, but you are too stupid to notice obvious things.
>>720666609>seen it mentioned anywhere else in monthsthere are 20 video essays already on Youtube you live under a rock
>>720661269As long as they sell enough to continue to be made it's OK.
>>720666904Deus Ex is an Immersive Sim FPS RPG Stealth Action Adventure game. ISFRSAA for short. It also has bosses and levels could be seen as dungeons.
>>720661269Pokemon is the highest grossing media franchise of all time.
>>720666863>>720666953Act 3 > Act 2
>>720666894wow it's almost like RPG is a nebulous term and why terms like jrpg, crpg, srpg, action rpg and plain old action adventure exist
>>720661269Not enough sex with animals.
>>720666960Why would I watch faggot Youtuber video essaysWhy are you watching faggot Youtuber video essays
>>720662230Still destroys Baldur's Shit in sales with 1% of the budget and effort while being a single platform exclusive. Ouch.
>>720661269Why don't WRPGS?
>>720666994>Immersive Sim
>>720666953It's verbatim the usual /v/ spiel about Larian. Why the fuck do you see the need to share your opinion on games you have never played? Have you ever played Divinity 2? You aren't even introduced to major mechanics in the game until halfway through.
>>720666863Nigger act 2 is okay but is blatantly missing hidden areas compared to 1 as well as the quest design falls off a cliff and you stop getting alternate ways to do shit.Act 3s entire structure can be essentially be summed up by the fireworks shop quest>Discover dude is putting bombs in kids toys>Your only recourse is to go in and murder everyone, no real clever or alternate way to resolve thingsThats also ignoring the narrative issue of >HAHA ADVENTURER YOU HAVE THE THING I NEED, WALK AROUND MY CITY AS YOU PLEASE AND FIGHT ME WHEN YOU ARE READYAnd the entire act 3 being centered around gathering allies that are mostly pointless since if you use them in the final battle its a joke of a fight with your entire army of bullshit which just annoys you for doing it.All Larian games are super heavy in the first area you go to then everything else didnt have nearly as much time in the oven.
>>720667124How does it "destroy" BG when the entire industry (gamers and devs alike) clown on Pokemon and its manchild fanbase?
>>720667075Ok what do you mean by anywhere else then faggot
>>720661269why did DEI sell?
>>720667185>until halfway through.And what major mechanic is that?Source? The shit thats the end of act 1 and the start of act 2?The fact you think the start of act 2 is half way through the game kind of shows you agree act 1 is half of the game lol
>>720665224pokémon is a monster catcher first, world explorer second, jrpg thirdpokémon sells because it avoids being a jrpg as much as possible
>>720667258>the entire industryExcept people who actually play games since they buy pokemon games.
>>720666953That's not unique to larian or even uncommon sadly
>>720667124Why be so prideful when you know that your trash is trash and only gets carried by the name that is attached to it?
>>720667172>WRPGSYou mean RPGS?
>>720667176Just thought of another one.>Stealth Action-Adventure FPS Immersive RPG (SARIF)
>>720666421>all rpg means is being able to level upYes, that's what it means to japs.Thankfully not everyone is as retarded as them or you.
>>720667258Elden Ring and Monster Hunter sell more than your zoophile game too, tranny.
>>720667315>world explorerThat's not a genre
>>7206670403 > 1 >>> 2second act has nothing going for it and there are only like two important events happening I'd go as far as saying it feels like an intermission not an integral part of the gamethe last act resolves all the plot points started in the first act and builds upon what made the first one good
>>720667339palworld is not a jrpg and thus not a competitor to pokemon
>>720661269Shallow gameplay and no sex.
>>720667124Go back to playing with cardboard.
>>720661269>Why don't JRPGs sell?Because JRPGs are basically ps2 level of quality games being sold at AAAA prices, hell baldur's gate 3 was fucking 60 euros, all JRPGs are fucking 70 or 80 euros on steam, why would someone buy that shit at those prices?
>>720667328>peopleI wouldn't call literal shit eaters "people" myself. Pretty sure all of them are excited for pre-release DLC lmao. GF just keeps cucking them and they gladly take it.
>>720667382Correct, RPGs are about having gay sex and fucking animals like in westoid filth.
>>720661524>100k+ only>no Lightning ReturnsWhy did Toriyama allow his waifu's game to flop this hard?
>>720667315You have stats and experience and restore your HP with PotionsIt's a JRPG, your baby brain getting tricked because it's not a high fantasy setting doesn't make it not a JRPG
>>720667472If you only played lariat filth.
>>720667391>immediately pivots to other franchisesReminder that Wilds flopped :)
>>720667405Agreed act 2 is shit butAct 1 is still better though and is one of the strongest rpg beginnings.
>>720666953>They spend 70% of their development time working and reworking on act 1This is objectively false because we know the development timeline and they spent more time on Act 2 and 3 than Act 1. The absolute strongest argument you can make is that Act 1 was like 40% of dev time and 2 and 3 were 30% each.
>>720667472All optional, jarpigtroonslurper.
>>720667530All modern WRPGs have gay sex as an important feature, you simply can't avoid it
>>720661269The sub-genre's popularity in the west is limited to Pokemon, Final Fantasy, and now Persona. Final Fantasy has been declining since FF12, and Persona releases one numbered entry per decade. The majority of JRPGs were never popular outside of Japan, and they have abandoned just about everything that isn't a first party Nintendo game or some kind of mobile gacha game.
>>720667625All modern games are shit so that's pointless drivel.
>>720667369Stealth Action RPG Immersive sim FPS*
>>720667472Anon sorry to burst you bubble but your spiky haired hero Cloud is a crossdressing degenerate too.
>>720665845RPG - game where the character's statistics decide the outcome rather than the player's ability. It's really not hard to understand.
>>720667634Elden Ring is a JRPG
>>720667625Put that in your genre definition and smoke it
>>720667472by that standard, real life is about having gay sex too. you should alt+f4 in protest
>>720661269Americans simply won't play games without gay sex in them.
>>720667525>restore your HP with PotionsLook at this scrub.
>>720667625>as an important featureJarpigtrannies gaslighting again. Show me where gay sex is in E33, tranny
>>720667587tb|h I don't really care for the placement of the first and last act I'm just glad people recognize the second one for how shit it is compared to the rest of the gamein DOS2 it was the oppositeI don't really remember DOS 1 for how forgettable it was and their older games were just slop
>>720667725>JRPG; while it's an Action RPG developed in Japan, it deviates from the typical characteristics of the genre, which usually involve turn-based combat, linear narratives, and preset protagonists, and instead is more aligned with a Western-style action RPG or Souls-like design. The term "JRPG" refers to a distinct style of gameplay and storytelling that developed in Japan, rather than simply a game made in Japan, and Elden Ring's focus on player freedom, intricate combat, and open-world exploration doesn't fit this style.
>>720667789From its players
>>720667678There's only 1 romance options in FF7 by the end of the story and it ends in straight sex, the cross dressing is played for laughs just like it always was in the west until Jews like yourself poisoned our culture woth tranny shit.
>>720667725JARPG*
>>720667886>non-answerI accept your concession.
>>720667895Trannyshit have always existed in Trannypan.
>>720667789You, the player.
>>720667789>>720668003fThen jarpigtrannies take the cake on that.
>>720667980Then why do most Japanese games have straight relationships and not degenerate LGBT shit like you see in Bioware or Larian ganes?
3NIAR is the correct term for the genre.
>>720667258I said "destroy in sales", retard. Baldur's Gay 3 fags get so buttblasted they rush to reply without even reading what they're replying to properly.
>game funded by china>"IT GOT TEN BAJILLION SALES but there's no dlc or sequel coming out and the devs aren't going to work for the publishers ever again"lmao
>>720667789E33 is influenced by Japanese games dumb kike
>>720667895>the cross dressing is played for laughs Pretty sure a lot of faggots like you liked that... Oh yeah also weebsona 4 has it too... Its wild to me how weebtards accuse wrpgs to be gay while living in a glass house.
>>720668084Why does optional homosexuality triggers you so badly? Just don't be gay bro, it's really hard not to be one.
I'm really curious how trails in the sky 1st will do. Seems prime for like a possible chance for better jrpgs to get some better sales. >renowned game series that had no easy entry title>was not available anywhere but PC for a very long time>demo of the first 10 hours that lets anyone try it>good port, looks good, good gameplay/storyProbably still too weeby to do that well but it actually does rather well in the westThis is regional sales graph Blue is JP, orange is the west, and red is Asia so the western appreciation is actually their primary source of growth.The series has a natural fall off due to games just building on previous ones but yeah as I said this is the most "primed" to break out jrpg in a while.
>>720665103Not jprg, it is a monster catcher game for kids and manchildren
>>720668230Baldur's Gay 3 pushes you into gay sex with Gale, you can't avoid it.
>>72066811515 mil sales figures are from 2024. It sold even more by now considering how many people still play it. But keep coping about your irrelevance.
>>720668229Persona 4, you mean the gane with no gay romance options?
>>720667703This definition is worthless when you got games like nu-Assassin's Creed having stats and level gated areas
>>720665453>>720665559Here let me fix it with superior Western writing:>"Do you know how many fucking deaths there are by car? In this fucking country, about 5000 every year. 5 fucking thousand! That's a fucking lot, huh? Well you can thank capitalism for that! Nobody fucking cares because cars are fucking convenient!"
>>720668313>pushes youLmao no. Just get out of that closet anon.
>>720668385Instead the character you play as has a forced crossdressing segment. So "straight" anon.
>>720668385>entire main cast are cross dressing faggotsYeah anon I don't think it gets worse than that.. also there was cut faggit romance from what I know
>>720668246Also other thing interesting about falcom. Atlus cucked and started using unreal because they fucked up their own engine. Squeenix failed at doing their own engine and went to unreal.Falcom did their own engine, it works great, they did their own in-house pc port and it also works great. falcom just mogs these shitty studios w/ more money than sense. anyone deserves to blow up a bit it's them.
So what caused this round of anti-japanese demoralization posting
>>720668181Then why do jarpigtrannies hate E33? Is it because it was not made by trannypanese and yet ended up saving the genre from irrelevance?
>>720661269Because westerners like niggers and fags more than cute white girls
>>720668313I am loyal to my wife shadowheart you closet faggot
>>720668670>westerners like good games that does not depend on sex appeal to sell, unlike japtrash fansFixed that for you.
>>720668586malding chinks seething they cant take over japan
>>720662649Kek op btfo
>>720661269How many people have finished each respective game?
>>720668670Most normal people arent hardcore /pol/fags if the game is good they will play it regardless.
>whoa b…but pokemon Nitendo fans are a special breed, none other franchise has this, even in the west, and must not be taken as a general example of the industryIt is for a fact that japan games are stuck in the 2000s, even chinese are beating them, using anime style with superior graphic
>>720661524>ff>jrpg
>>720661269People are tired of E-tier movies (i.e. JRPGs).
>>720668786> that does not depend on sex appeal to sellSex was one of the main marketing pillars for BG3.They sold bear sex, the ability to undress characters, and Shadowheart's pubic hair.All people remember about the game now are the romances and pornographic images.It's a hollow game. Want a real RPG? Play WOTR.
>>720669115> if the game is goodBalls hurt gay 3 is not a good game though. It's pretty mid and worse than RT and WOTRBut full of niggers and fags and because of the it is LOVED by westerners
>>720669207Lmao if only the whole world is /v/ echo chamber
>>720669207Fuck off owlfag dos2 > wotr... I wouldn't even bring bg3 as it would destroy your shitty game with 0 thoughts put into encounter design and buff fest gameplay...
>>720668801Nah it seems like a seething slav wanting to shill his ‘people’ game
>>720661269What will they buy exactly? Octopath? Rebirth? Yet another DQ remake? Low-budget low-quality VNs masquerading as JRPGS? There's nothing appealing on the market right now.
>>720669325>webm unironically looks funMaybe you should use a different one
>>720669339BG3 is objectively a forgotten game. Guides and videos about it don’t get views on YouTube, unlike guides for RT and WOTR. What does get views? Shorts about character romances.Likewise, the main fan content for the game is pornography to some degree, rather than discussions about builds, gameplay variety, or the moral and ethical aspects of different choices.
>>720669508>Guides and videos about it don’t get views on YouTubeProof ??
>responding to dragqueen
Seething slav i wont reply to you or your delusional rant lmao Owlcat games are mid as fuck
>>720669394Gr8 b8 m8, but i've played them all and all larian slop is fucking trash in comparison with owlcuck's games. And owlcucks are not even that good of developers, they are just OK. But larian shit is somehow WORSE than WOTR and RT despite having like x30 times more money on development
>>720667587And the game suffers from them focusing so much on improving act1 according to beta feedback.
>>720669508>unlike guides for RT and WOTR.That's because Pathfinder is a broken mess of a system
>>720669572
>>720669576> dragqueen
>Screenshots are in slav tongueConfirmed a butthurt slav or a troll Sorry but russian ‘game industry’ is literally non existence now
>>720669726>>720669647Holy shit you are the Larian schizo Dragonarian
>>720669672It's a great, comprehensive system with a huge amount of variety.On the contrary, 5e is a terrible system for people with an IQ of 85, and Larian took it and made it EVEN simpler, turning it into an utterly ridiculous clown show with no build-crafting in an RPG, damn it.>>720669494> >webm unironically looks funThen you should play some shit like marevo, zelda or another agusha gaming, fag. CRPG is not for you
>>720669890> Sorry but russian ‘game industry’ is literally non existence nowAtomic Heart is the best game of 2023 year. MiSide is the best game of 2024
May be in slavland lmao Anyway i think you are just a troll
>>720670184>Then you should play some shit like marevo, zelda or another agusha gaming, fag. CRPG is not for youRtwp was developed for low iq diablo niggers like yourself don't lecture me owlfag
>>720661269>Go woke go-ACK
>>720670798None of these games are woke
>>720671021
>>720671021> None of these games are woke
>>720671021>>720671021
>>720671131the exact sort of goofy shit that should exist in every character creator>>720671226>faggots play game>faggots say game is about faggotswhoa who could've predicted thisneither are evidence of jack shit, do better
>>720671226Bg1 has a trans character, it isnt woke then and it isnt woke now
>>720671497> Bg1 has a trans characterIt is not, faggot>>720671459If game has faggots and landwhales as their target audience then this game is gay and lame
>>720669458>Yet another DQ remake?Every game is the exact same shit, so it doesn't really matter
>>720671497You mean BG2 when a companion gets cursed and later uncursed and it's played off as a joke and not a gender affirming whatever?
it's a good game
>>720667176The world is interconnected in a way that other games' worlds aren't. That's what the immersive sim moniker is trying to convey. Characters and the world react to your choices. No area is truly off limits until a certain point.
it's a homosexual furry sex sim, take the porn out and this game would have done as well as Divinity did.
>>720661524> Sales cratered and never recovered after 13Is it really as bad as people say?
>>720667703It's just D&D or not. If you have a blank slate character with stats it's more Western. Japanese typically have defined characters. The only blank slate is your style of play. Dark Souls is the closest to a Western RPG. Western RPGs always lean towards making your own character and story. JRPGs have more well defined stories and characters.
>>720661524>Flawless deep combat >Great characters >Great story >Great art direction >Great OST>Waifus >Good graphics >Lots of content >Memorable moments that stay with you long after the game ends This is a 10/10 game
>>720665898>>720666098Modern WRPGs are wokeslop that only appeal to Tumblr troons
>>720668084Because Japan isn't infested with liberalism in the way the West is you fucking retard. How many times does it have to be said. The game industry got too big. It's super corporate and has been taken over by social justice types. Most people complaining don't actually care about Western games, they just want Japanese games and use the Western games going to shit as an excuse. You never liked Western games. You were always obsessed with Japan. Go move there and shut the fuck up. You don't want to fix the West you just want to move to Japan, but you're too much of a loser to accomplish that. You're all disingenuous. You don't give a fuck about anything Western. You don't want to fix it, you just want to run away to Japan. So shut the fuck and go move there. Go be Japanese fucking dork.
>>720673507"WRPG" is just a term jarpigtroonslurpers have been desperately trying to push for years, and yet it still didn't take off.
>>720668786>>720669115>WRPG>GoodPick one, those are the fast food of gaming
>>720673674You are confusing it with discount moviegames with toddler-tier gameplay and 0 options (i.e. JRPG).
>>720673507>>720673674>deflection is all he can doEmbarrassing.
>>720670298How to make Atomic Heart actually good:-remove all melee weapons to force devs to balance the game around guns only-remove the hub areas and side objectives to improve the pacing tenfold-change Larissas Tumblr design to a hot sexualized female character with coomer outfitThis would make Atomic Heart a 9/10 atleast
>>720661269>baldurs gate 3 is multiplatform, 20 bucks cheaper, and endlessly shilled>still 8 million less totk did in a single week on physical aloneLOL
>>720661269There is literally no jrpgs in your image though
>>720674226>implying anybody bought it on anything but Steam>implying its sales have not grown since 2024>implying BG is as much of a popular franchise as Nintendo's cash machine>implying CRPG is as popular of a genre as an open-world action adventureBG3 did exceptionally well for its genre, and won both GOTY and Player's Choice.
>>720661269Lack of gay bear sex.
>>720661269They're just bad movies.
>>720674507>BG3 did exceptionally well for its genre, and won both GOTY and Player's Choice.>goty>from the dorito's pope marketing event>and the literal gay pride gamer awardsyou are a jew.
>>720674507> GOTYYou know that this thing is given to whoever pays more, right? A great example is GOTY 2024, when Astrobot won. Do you even remember that trash existed?))But in reality, the best game of 2024 was Black Myth: Wukong.
>>720674849>>720674901It was so good that even gamers chose it as the best game of that year, but keep coping. I know you do whenever BG3 gets mentioned.
>>720667226>All Larian games are super heavy in the first area you go to then everything elseI really wish they could break out of this habit.
>>720667304He didn't say "Original Sin 2", he said "Divinity 2".
>>720667226>>720675776>All Larian games are super heavy in the first area you go to>I really wish they could break out of this habitThey know how to keep you from hitting that refund button.
>>720662114You are reading the graph wrong. It is first time sales, not lifelong sales.No time for each game to perform on its own merits, in this graph the sales of each FF reflect how good the previous one was.
>>720676467*first week sales
>>720675052> even gamers Yup, those gamers who are either like, 'I haven’t played the game, but everyone says it’s good, so it must be good,' or 'I played for a couple of hours and got bored, but I’m too weak to go against public opinion,' right?Unlike these so-called gamers, I PLAYED this game to the end, and besides this game, I also have experience with OTHER CRPG games. So, I can confidently say that BG3 is a bad game.
>>720675052> even gamers
>>720661269People have realized that many JRPGs don't have much of the role-playing part of the term.
>>720661269BG3 was to crpgs what FF7 was to jrpgs. Cultural phenomena that were popular, not because of the intrinsic nature of the niche genres they occupy, but due to some other marketing/word of mouth push from the normie sphere. tl;dr, don't expect another BG3 to ever happen again
>>720661269My normalfag friend boughted it and he plays it in co-op with his normalfag wife. Maybe that's what makes them popular, co-op. Can't imagine why else anyone would play that shite over Wrath
>>720677270It's really hard to make a good CRPG.
>>720661269the industry at large took the stuff people actually liked about jrpgs for and slapped them everywhere else. If they stopped this retardation about pretty women and appealing artstyles then the whole nip industry might collapse
>>720677526Not THAT hard.
>>720677270>>720677526>>720677720Only whites can into programming crpgs
>>720677878True. That's why balls hurt gay 3 is shit - more than half of it's dev team are chinks
