why is he the only class to have 2 primary weapons?
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Heavy has a minigun and shotgun, which is the primary for two other classes.
>>720669214heavy does not primarily use a shotgun.
Spy has cigarettes and french attitude. Two things killing with as much efficiency as mosquitoes in africa.
>>720666832>implying that he has more than one weapon full stopWhile you made low-effort shitpost threads, I studied the blade.
>>720669368Hell he doesn't even secondarily use it either.
>shot at red demoman>it explores
lol ambutukam demo
In TFC he has those AND A shotgun so could be worse
>>720669524HP restoration is just too useful on a class that has boatloads of HP and is already used to being slow.
>>720666832soldier has 2 primariesheavy has 2 primariespyro has 2 primaries
>>720666832Because he's based
>trying to argue that the shotgun is a primaryThe scattergun is the shotgun if it was an actual primary. Engineer doesn't have a shotgun as a primary. He's a class with two secondaries. His primary is his sentry gun.
>>720669524Sanvich or Banana, /v/?
>>720669617What does he explore?
>>720669986>>720669524There is nothing wrong with heavy using shotgun, if he's using one of the slower miniguns.
>2025>People are still so stupid they don't realize the shotgun kills 7/9 classes in two shots
>>720666832the sticky launcher is the primary. the grenade launcher is just something you pull out when someone is past optimal sticky range or to spam crowded chokepoints from safety.
>>720670348Banana. The cooldown is too good and the extra health is so situational that it doesnt matter.
>>720670348>300 hp every 30 secs vs 200 hp every 10 secs Banana easily. I usually run for cover when I’m at or nearing 100 hp
>>720670648>pyro themed update>heavy ends up getting the better item (effectively a pre-nerf/food meter sandvich)
>>720670348chocoloate for extra 50 hp
>>720670360The bottom of the scrumpy. Wild demomen hunt on their territory for remaining droplets of moisture in discarded bottles to sustain themselves.
>>720670348Family business
>>720670504try 4 shots because because you are not fighting anyone at close range, and if that were the case literally every weapon kills in the time that it takes a shotgun to fire 2 bullets.
>>720670736Honestly if that's how it turned out, I prefer it to the nightmare alternative:>Heavy wins Meet your Match>Miniguns are reworked, damage scaling is somehow even worse.>Tomislav is nerfed to the ground for some reason.>Gains a shitty gimmick item for mobility/damage resistance that is reworked after a week and forgotten.>Pyro receives a ""joke"" weapon consolation prize that is actually busted and remains a reliable tool in his arsenal well into 2025+ and retains his pre-Jungle Inferno flamethrowers
>>720670496Well theres the fact that if hes running a slower mini hes liable to die from chip damage as people peek him.
>>720670496That's the real reason why shotgun heavy turned into a literal meme. Because between stock's spinup time and speed getting buffed and tomislav there wasn't a need for mobility option as a secondary. Heavy is possibly the one class to actually get simpler since his original design. Yeah sure you might have a need for shotgun when using brass beast but then you're going to be less effective than the tomislavs and minigunners overall.
>>720671194the way the update was structured i sincerely doubt heavy was going to win either way lolit seemed pretty blatant even at the time that the odds were weighted in favor of pyro to try and force his win, valve would probably have had to scramble and bench an entire pyro update if heavy won even against the odds, and/or they'd have just whipped a bunch of pyro points out of their assesthat said i do think the treatment of pyro's weaponry from the update is criminal, the fireball thrower nerfs in particular are grossly unnecessary for a pyro direct hit playstyle that's already niche and trades his crowd control/DoT focus for single-target
>>720671408>Pyro becomes fun/skill-based for a few weeks>'We can't have that', says Valve.>Shrinks the fireball hitbox and makes it wildly inconsistentTbf it was no fun getting two-tapped by the old Dragon's Fury, but I could never be mad at a death from that range. For a few fun weeks, Pyro could rival Scout as a viable flank class.
>>720671408I'm convinced both the pyro vs heavy and soldier vs demoman updates were semi-fixed from the start. It's really hard to imagine valve would honestly want to have given demo the gunboats.>but valve said they tested it and found it balancedThey already wanted to see demo use his nade launcher more. Why would they have wanted to make sticky-exclusive demo a thing? In the end the ideal version of "demo gunboats" happened with the sticky jumper. Where the more interesting weapon to ditch in favour of demo mobility was ditched.
>>720671705It is still fucking hilarious that they shrieked and screamed and shidded and farted for Pyro to "require aim" and in less than a day they were screaming about getting vaporized by pyros because they got 2x damage and a shittier shotgun for the primary slot.
>>720673009Once again, all of TF2's balance problems are the result of soldier and demo mains throwing a shitfit.
>>720673147Well no the issue is "balance" is a euphemism for "I don't like it".
>>720670097>implying the shotgun is a suitable second primaryBy this logic sniper has two primaries because the SMG is comparable to the syringe gun
>>720670348Dalokoh's
>>720666832why the FUCK did he shove those plushies in his ass?
>>720673752Unironically yes, the reason you wouldn't want to use the smg "as a primary" is because of sniper's limited mobility and low max health.Not because the smg is a bad weapon
>>720673752no class has the smg as primaryengie has the shotgun as primaryscout also has the shotgun as primary, but slightly buffed because he doesn't have you know a sentry gunthe SMG is hitscan, deals 8 damage (base) that fires 10 bullets per second, with 25 ammothe syringe gun shoots low-range arcing projectiles that deal 10 damage (base) at 10 projectiles per second, with 40 ammothey are not even remotely similar functionally besides the fact that they both have a high fire rate, the SMG is far closer to the pistol but with higher ammo and higher fire rate in exchange for lower damage
>>720674223>engie has the shotgun as primaryNo his primary is his sentry.
>>720670348If I hate a pocket medic, sandvich for throwing a bigger medkit.In all other situations the banana reigns supreme. By the time the eating animation is finished it’s already 50% recharged.
>>720674313the sentry is not a gun he equips and shoots with, it's an object he places
>>720674010the dude gets off to the idea of doing weird shit without people's knowledge. he's a pevert
>>720674315Going to be honest even with a pocket med, that 45 hp increase isnt going to be as much of a game changer as youd think especially when you count recharge time.Also heavies shouldnt be pocketed by meds they should be getting crossbowed every chance the med gets but other people who cant heal themselves should get priority.
>>720669524>trading a shotgun for a literal pocket medicmore powerful than you realize
>>720666832>>720674010
>>720675579It sure is.
>>720666832I wish I saved the video of the two mexicans getting trolled by his video. They were watching a video of a kid showing his rap skills only to cut to Dreamybull having that coin pop out of his anus. The Mexicans panicked but they immediately laughed hard. It was hilarious
>>720674379It's the weapon he primarily makes use of in the game.
>>720677420>manually eating the sandvich anywhere even remotely dangerousAre you just retarded or?
>>720677681You have a sandvich dummy, you having it is going to make it really obvious you have low hp and people should chase you.That is LITERALLY part of the tradeoff.
>>720673752The SMG is much more comparable to Scout's pistol.
>>720673935That plus fists of steel .
>>720677827>enemy heavy "chases" you unhindered by any other teammate so far that he gets to shotgun you pointblank while you eat somewhere unsafe ???What a fun fictional scenario that never happens.
>>720673359valve learned the hard way to literally never listen to outsiders for balance, every comp oriented balance decision made the rest of the game worse
>>720674994You say this, then complain about chokepoints. Only heavy has the sustained fire to take full advantage of defensive ubers, and is just as good at utilizing kritz.
>>720678270>um I noclipped into spawn so you can't get meThen I noclipped in there tooI can make retarded hypotheticals where I always win too.
>>720678357>Only heavy has the sustained fire to take full advantage of defensive ubersPyro. Technically a fully loaded demo.
>>720679740I did realize I forgot to mention pyro. Flamethrower in the face with no chance of dying is super strong. Demo, too, though I'd argue he needs the defensive uber less, because he's the king of indirect fire.
>>720681745demo is best at taking on sentry nests and longer-ranged clustered enemiesheavy is best at taking out spread out enemies and forcing a retreat (which requires coordination but is literally a tactic from Sun-Tzu)
>>720669524>>720670348the fuck's a banana?t. quit before 2012
>>720683186It's a fruit with an inedible but peelable yellow shellIt's healthy but not as filling as a proper sandwich
>>720669943he only has the single shotty in TFC thoughbut he does get grenades, especially the MIRV grenadesand the detpack for outplay potential
>>720683186You already know this because you're a fraud but Sandvich but 200 HP and shorter cool downStupid people who already think the sandvich is OP think it's double OP and the best weapon in the game.
>>720670276Brother you're talking to casuals. That's a lot more convoluted a discussion than most people in this thread are capable of having and requires a pretty crazy amount of game knowledge to verify.But yes. This is correct, the shotgun is a relatively ass weapon and should be considered a secondary not a primary.
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>>720683349Yes we're casuals who don't know better and not an enlighted 6000 hr gamer like yourself who can't hit two shotgun shots point blank.Clearly it's as bad as the pistol which you also think is unusable garbage.
>>720670868Same here. I know talking about weapon changes now is screaming into the void, but I think it really should have a short consumption speed.
>>720683485Thanks for proving my point. It's not just about the damage per second, but that is a very large factor, it has also to do with the rest of the loadout from the class and how it compares versus other primary weapons. Let me put it like this, two shotgun blasts to the face is not impressive. You telling me you can do that does not impress me in the slightest, it tells me you do not understand the argument.
>>720683676>It's not just aboutBaaaamp Times up you're dead
>>720684106>"If I don't read your argument it's invalid," he said smugly.Yeah verifiable scout main. Let me tell it to you like this.The shotgun is dogwater. Anything you want it to do, any other gun does way better. honestly this post isnt even for you anymore I just fucking love talking about TF2s design
>>720669214by that logic so do pyro and soldier.the shotgun is a secondary weapon, engineer's real primary is his sentry.
>>720683186sandvich = full heal, 30s cooldown, medium medkit when thrownbanana = 200 hp, 10s cooldown, small medkit when thrownboth have the same consumption ratebanana is objectively better unless you plan on exclusively throwing your sandvich at people and never eating it yourself
