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You got me hooked on this.
Now tell me if Amazon or Assassin is superior
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>>720667746
Druid you stupid cocksucker.
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amazon
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>>720667746
Zon needs more gear than sin does
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>>720667746
Assassin is pretty casual and boring because she is so easy to play. I would go with Amazon.
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>>720667746
Blizzard Sorc is the only character you need
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>>720667923
Fuck off, Broteam.
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There are only 2 classes in D2: Sorceress and Paladin.
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>>720667746
>You got me hooked on this.
You make this thread every single day with the same lazy picture of box art, janny. Why can't they hire a janitor that plays actual video games?
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>>720668083
What about the humble lootgoblin barb with find item?
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>>720668279
what?
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>>720668373
The better killing power supersedes that
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> looking for a fun build that doesn't mean i accidentally pick a barb tier character who gets permastuck at duriel again
> every single build includes a fuckton of grinding
what happened to just playing a game for fun?
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>>720669381
>He doesn't enjoy the grind
You're not a real gamer.
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Playing Amazon after going intonact 1 a fair bit with Assassin, I don't like javelins being consumables or the lack of any real AoE. Her exposed ass is about the same as the ASSASSin's. The real killer are the abilities. They fucking suck. A shitty multi attack that takes mana and "passive" abilities. Just ugh.
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>>720667906
Amazon seems way too straightforward right now
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>>720667746
Play Fire Sorc and Farm TZ Andariel. The game will never be the same again for you.
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>>720669381
Reevaluate how you're playing the game. Just run through it with whatever you like, stop at the end of Normal or when you get stuck or bored, and play again with something else. It's even better if you have a homie or three to play with, if you can find people of like mind. If you get stuck at Duriel, do some of the side stuff or accept that this run ain't it.
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>>720667830
>one who covorts with beasts
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>>720672809
more like dogfucker
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>>720667746
First, you must complete the game one time with each class. Then this >>720668083
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>>720669604
No, you're a broken autist.
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Amazon. Can wipe whole screens with lightning fury and kill bosses faster than any other class with charged strike.
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>>720669381
anon, d2 is all about grinding for gear
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>>720667746
Amazon is superior to assassin, but the assassin is more fun to play.
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>>720674353
>>720674321
Unless we are talking specifically Mosaic Sin which is retardo busted unless it was recently patched.

>>720667746
Both are really heavily equipment-gated to have fun with, though both are decently fun to do ghetto builds if you know what you are doing. Kicksins especially on a budget are fun, but they get sloooooow later on. I did ubers with one back when ubers were new and it was a lot of fun using shitty gear and being mostly successful. AR is the gatekeeper. Java are cookie-cutter, as are mosaic sins. Bowas have several routes but feel so underpowered. They were gutted by 1.10
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The spinning blade skill is op as fuck
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>>720674681
I should have specified, trapassins are fun as hell, but not everyone likes the passive gameplay.
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>tier 1 classes
Paladin, Sorceress
>tier 2 classes
Amazon, Assassin, Druid, Necromancer
>tier 3 class
Barbarian
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Why cant any ARPG get ungabunga melee classes right?
Playing one in PoE1/2 is pure suffering
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>>720674681
>which is retardo busted unless it was recently patched.
It still hasn't been nerfed, and every patch that goes by (each one taking longer than the last) reduces the chance Blizzard will nerf it.
Every other top tier build? Hammerdin, Blizz Sorc, Grief Smiter? Looks like complete dogshit compared to Mosaic Sin. She can full clear chaos sanctuary in under 90 seconds solo on players 8. And the worst part is that it's not even expensive, it's two mals and two guls.
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>>720674928
Close but a bit wrong
Barb is still better than Druid solely because BO is the best buff in the game, and Barb has several niches that it performs best at (trav runs, horking in online games, key farming). Druid is better on no gear but doesn't actually do anything particularly well.

my tier list would be

Paladin (The king, never allowed to be bad, Blizzard arbitrarily gave him so many buffs in d2r for no fucking reason)
Sorceress (very close to Paladin though)
Assassin (purely because of Mosaic)
Barbarian (you don't need twink gear but you do need to know what to look for during a ssf or singleplayer run)
Amazon (Javelin only, bowazon sucks fat cock)
Necromancer (eternally overrated, he's not BAD, but he suffers massively on anything above players 3 and can never reach the sheer farming speed and efficiency of other classes)
Druid
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>>720669381
That's not true at all. You're retarded and got memed. Any build might want to kill NM/hell andy/meph a few dozen times but it doesn't take long for many builds to get strong enough to finish Hell.
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Waaaay back in the early '00s I got a little fed up with basically no interesting gear dropping by act 3 normal. Enough that I started looking into modding to turn up rates. But then I saw how big the probability table was and the lack of any global controls and ended up just using a save editor to throw some affixes around from time to time.

Now I have a nice D2MM setup with tunable multipliers for the rarities and for runes so I can do what I want in singleplayer. Still doing countess runs, though, which I never bothered with way back when.

Also managed to find a number of high tier builds that get to use multiple attack skills and support skills.
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>>720674928
>>tier 3 class
>Barbarian
Lmao this guy never farmed Travincal
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I just want a mod that makes Guided Arrow + Pierce work like it did in the old days. For those who don't know Bowazon with GA + Pierce was most OP class ever in any ARPG. It would cause your arrows to slice back and forth through enemies forever and bosses would melt. Every boss you'd just stand off screen and snipe it with a bunch of arrows that would swiss cheese that bitch easily.

They nerfed it somewhere along the line and I never played Amazon since.
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>>720676986
>Paladin (The king, never allowed to be bad, Blizzard arbitrarily gave him so many buffs in d2r for no fucking reason)
>Sorceress (very close to Paladin though)
Sorc is higher tier than Paladin. Hammerdin is pretty dated nowadays when Nova Sorc, Mosambic Sin and Javazon are both stronger and faster.
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>>720676250
>Playing [ungabunga melee] in PoE1/2 is pure suffering
melee splash and auras, swing big club, feel good
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>>720669381
>i accidentally pick a barb tier character who gets permastuck at duriel again
how does this happen?? do you just never stat up vitality and fight duriel at level 19?
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>>720676250
Devs are cowards who accept melee vs ranged is inherently imbalanced, but they refuse to have suitably imbalanced design decisions to counter that.
>"why do players keep saying melee is bad? with perfect gear they do 10% more single-target damage and have 15% more HP than ranged builds"
>every dev ever
They don't need magic screen-clearing effects to be good either, they just need BIG PHAT STATS and some splash damage to make horde killing not as miserable. I'm talking like 3x the HP and damage of ranged builds. Effortlessly one-shotting trash with mediocre gear and absolutely raping bosses.
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>>720677481
Hammerdin at least has the benefit of a very smooth experience, only a few monsters in the game have magic immunity so you can farm nearly any zone at a good clip. FoH is a super effective build for being on a budget - just get double spirit and you melt chaos sanc. Paladin still shreds ubers faster than anyone except mosaic sin, and in party play fanaticism is great for getting your party levelled up during a fresh ladder. There's just so many ways to play paladin and they're all good, he also remains the best character for Larzuk rushing, just...insanely broken.
Sorc is basically right next to him, she enables so much, but she can't clear ubers, she's reliant on infinity to farm a lot of zones efficiently (like keys)...the best class to roll first and one of the best MFers, but she doesn't scale as well as Pally IMO. Once a pally gets Enigma and Grief, the world is his oyster. Sorc is a bit harder to reach endgame since you need GED with 5/5, infinity, and whatever other options you aim for. Also a ton of skillers.
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>>720677481
>>720678103
Doesn't Hammerdin suck shit in tight hallways too?
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how do i stop playing barb all the time?
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necromancer is god
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>>720678689
hammerdin is only played with enigma, he doesn't navigate hallways
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I fail to see how anything is superior to corpse exploder Necromancer with his neverending army of skellies
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People only talk about endgame and it annoys the shit out of me.
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>>720679158
I tried to run a skellymancer build before. Duriel cast frost nova once and they all died. How the fuck do you prevent that?
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>>720676986
Idk necro is pretty branded easy with large parties of minions. Beating Duriel with barb for me was a money check because I had to use town portal and revive my merc and buy more town portals and thaws over and over whiddling his health down, then you're good through most of the rest of the game
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>>720678103
>Hammerdin at least has the benefit of a very smooth experience, only a few monsters in the game have magic immunity
Stopped reading there. This isn't 2010 anymore gramps. We have sunder charms now.
And FoH is a meme build that can never leave act 4 chaos sanctuary.
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>>720678103
>Sorc is basically right next to him, she enables so much, but she can't clear ubers,
Lmao of course she can

Please just stop talking. You don't know shit.
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>>720678103
>but she doesn't scale as well as Pally IMO
Paladin doesn't scale for shit. Try doing /players 8 cows or baal with a hammerdin solo. He is literally the SLOWEST build out of all the decent builds.
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>>720679324
resist for your skellies
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>>720679247
>>trying to figure out what items/stats to look for on magic/rare items while leveling for both player character and merc
><ENDGAME BIS HIGH RUNES HIGH LEVEL UNIQUES EXPENSIVE EXPENSIVE>
><ENDGAME BUDGET GEAR YOU POOR FAGGOT>
>game's easy it doesn't even matter dude just rush to 50+ and do the farms
>farm countess for stealth and just wear that shit until hell bro
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>>720679158
He is decent tier in /players 1 games, but all Necros suck on anything higher than that.

Also every single Necro build is just a Corpse Explosion build
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>>720679247
There is only
>playing through the game as fast as you can
>struggling a bit in hell
>getting basic gear
>farming decent areas
>getting endgame gear + farming endgame areas on high player count games
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>>720668373
>spending all your time grunting over a pile of corpses that the sorc left for you
who gets off on this shit?
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>>720679880
>>>trying to figure out what items/stats to look for on magic/rare items while leveling for both player character and merc
You get Spirit, Stealth, Lore, Rhyme/Ancients Pledge, Jewelry with resists ans boots with FRW

>b-but I'm a physical melee class
No you are not. Even Barbs play as singer build with double spirit through the game.
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>>720677242
this but with javazon lightning spam, you used to kite mobs into a big crowd then shoot your javelins into them that pierce multiple times and shoot a chain lightning each time, resulting in dozens of chain lightnings at the same time
it was glorious to behold, until they nerfed it because it was causing people's games to crash
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>>720677242
>I just want a mod that makes Guided Arrow + Pierce work like it did in the old days
Play Classic. It's better anyways
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>>720680243
rune words ruined the game
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>>720680359
I didn't make the rules
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>>720679158
CE damage doesn't scale with playercount so he basically can't ever go above /players 3, and even that can be a slog if you can't get the bombs started.
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>>720667746
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>/players
lol
lmao
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>>720680579
if you don't immediately /players 8 before entering the blood moor, you didn't beat the game
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>>720680243
>sees derisive quote of "farm countess for stealth and just wear that shit until hell bro" from someone who already said "trying to figure out what stats to look for on magic/rare items"
>unironically replies "just wear the rune words bro"
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>>720679880
>It's also worth keeping essences in order to gather a stockpile of tokens of absolution
>As for runes, it's worth keeping and cube-ing runes starting at IO and up. Keep at least 3 of each mid rune LEM to GUL, cube up the rest. Never cube VEX to CHAM...UNLESS you have enough pre-cubed high runes to make ENIGMA. After crafting ENIGMA, never cube high runes again. Don't make the same mistake I made in immediately cube-ing high runes as soon as they drop, only to be left with one BER then immediately dropping another BER from cows, and then a JAH from the Chaos Sanctuary, both in less than 10 hours of gameplay...
>After assessing your rune collection and after completing the above-mentioned Andariel, Mephisto, Chaos Sanctuary, Baal, and Cow runs, Lower Kurast is the most efficient high rune target farming location. Roll a good double campfire map, put on something to watch in the background, and make peace with 2000-ish runs.
>LK is also decent for charms, rare boots, gloves, and jewelry, as well as gems and jewels for crafting.
>Once you have ENIGMA, the entire rest of the solo self-found experience blows wide open.
>Hopefully at this point you've found at least one SOJ to get an Annihilus, but if not it may be worth considering target farming nightmare Andariel. The odds are still trash, but it's still the best way, try and stack at least 500 MF.
>You're next character should be a Paladin. Start as a Hammerdin and spec into a Smiter at level 90 for a dedicated torch farmer
>Farm up 30 of each key, hopefully you can 1 torch for each class and maybe a couple of high rolls.

1/2
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>>720680579
If you play on battle.net you just get a rush for your new char.
If you play offline SSF you use /players x for higher drops and XP. Basically the single reason why offline is better than online
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>>720679880
>>720680907
>You can start with any class you want, they all genuinely become interesting and fun to play, but the objectively correct choice is the Sorceress...
>Spec into a meteorb or fireball blizzard build, both can handle every area in hell on P3
>Make SPIRIT (Crystal Sword), STEALTH, LORE, and INSIGHT for act 2 merc
>Do some basic farming in nightmare (Andariel, Mephisto, and Cows); some decent caster rings, + skill amulet, Chance Guards, Magefists, Trang Oul's gloves, Skin of the Viper Magi, Silkweave, upgraded Goldwrap, 2 decent Nagelrings, a couple of resistance charms, and god willing a Stone of Jordan and Tal Rasha amulet
>Finish Hell
>Run terrorzones for a cold sundercharm
>Spec into ice blast blizzard
>Start hell farming for decent endgame Sorc gear; Oculus, full Tal Rasha set, War Travelers, Harlequin Crest, Arachnid's Mesh, Snowclash, a good Gheed's Fortune, a perfect cold sundercharm, maybe some cold skillers, MF small charms, and Andariel's Visage for act 2 merc
>Craft SPIRIT (Monarch), HEART OF THE OAK, CALL TO ARMS, an elite ethereal INSIGHT, and an elite etheral TREACHERY, as well as a decent 2 / 10+ Sorceress amulet once at level 93
>Utilize the maxroll valuable unique and set items list for what to be on the lookout for
>Keep in mind to come close to acquiring the above items, your you're looking at somewhere around 1000 Andariel runs, 1000 Mephisto runs, 100+ Chaos Sanctuary runs, 100+ Baal runs, and 100+ Cow runs, on Hell. Always immediately run these areas when terrorized on P3 for optimal clear speed / drop efficency

2/2
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>>720680807
What fuckin stats are you looking for on a magic or rare armor you fucking retard?
Defense?
Resists?
Stats?
That's all there is dumbfuck.
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>farming lower kurast like a bot
You didn't beat the game
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I want to get myself a Amazon. Playing SSF offline. Already have a Sorc level 90. What gear should I farm for my Amazon to share to make the playthrough as smooth as possible?
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>>720668083
YOU FORGOT SOMEONE
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Which version of Diablo 2 is best to try for a first playthrough?
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HOLY SHIT AN IST RUNE
>it's just an ITH rune

fuck this shit
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>>720681486
D2R
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>>720681074
>whether to basically ignore everything else in favor of fcr/ias
>whether life/mana leech provide sustain at low levels
>spell procs
>thorns
>an ass load of different properties on weapons
>etc
It's like you haven't actually played the game, dumbfuck.
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>>720681703
I've made the expensive mistake of substituting an Io rune for a Lo rune before and bricking the rest of the runeword
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>>720681703
HOLY SOVLLESS
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>>720680907
>try and stack at least 500 MF.
This is terrible advice to give to a new character.
At 250 MF on p8, NM Andy drops SoJ at 1:952 odds. At 500 MF, the odds only go up to 1:805.
The general consensus on MF is that you should always prioritize your first 150 MF, and then eventually scale up to maybe 200-250 top end, maybe a bit more if you're able to weapon swap to Gull or Ists. It's fairly easy to reach that without sacrificing kill speed, but past 250 you're going to end up hurting your speed too much for diminishing returns.
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Hybrid kick/trapsin is probably one of the most fun things in the game to play.
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>>720667746
Zon technically.
Javazon can clear entire screens but you'll have to completely avoid lightning immune enemies until you get that one expensive runeword with the conviction aura.

assassin is a bit better in the resists department but it involves kiting enemies around shitty traps all of the game. her melee builds are trash unless you start with endgame gear.
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>>720681821
>>whether to basically ignore everything else in favor of fcr/ias
There is no FCR on most rare or magic items. Weapons don't matter because Spirit makes everything obsolete. IAS is important. Get it on rare gloves. You can get +skills as well. Only Amulet with IAS is Highlord's which is unique. On most items it can't spawn.
>>whether life/mana leech provide sustain at low levels
No.
>>spell procs
Meme. Although Frost Nova sproccs at VERY LOW levels can be nice
>>thorns
Big meme
>>an ass load of different properties on weapons
Most rare weapons are outclassed by basic bitch uniques which are outclassed by rune words (Grief > Oath > Unbending Will). There are some nice rare weapons with ethereal, repair mod, huge enhanced damage and IAS. But good luck finding one. Better chance winning the lottery.
>>etc
etc what
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>>720682152
>This is terrible advice to give to a new character.
Most of his advice is terrible or half-true at best. I won't even bother replying.
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>>720677242
Pretty sure you can mod that yourself by editing like 2 files. Maybe even just 1 file I can't remember.
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>>720667746
You play Sorc to farm for gear. You build a new char with the gear you get. Zon is insane in og LoD while zin is insane in D2RE. You just need a ton of gear for zon to melt screens.
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>>720669381
easy leveling builds

>Holy Fire paladin
You can literally just max this and its synergy and itll carry you most of the way through Nightmare, then respec into your real build for Act 4.

>Summon Necro
Gameplay involves standing still chilling in max Magic Find gear. Later on you toss in some CE to speed things up

>Blizzard Sorc
Start maxxing everything into Charged Bolt until you're high enough lvl for Blizzard, then respec and max that. Its a 1-hit win button that'll carry you through most of Hell if you're patient enough.

>Fissure Druid
Like Blizz Sorc but you get the spell much earlier, 1-hit win button that'll carry you into Hell.

>Bonemancer
Like a less-good sorc but he kills shit pretty well so he gets a place too.

I always go one of these to Hell and use it to farm shit for other builds.
The Meta is obvs sorc but its boring doing Sorc every wipe after 20 years.
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>>720677242
>I just want a mod that makes Guided Arrow + Pierce work like it did in the old days.
Gotchu bro
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>>720667746
mosaic assassin (D2:R remaster only) > javazon > trapsin
both classes are A tier behind the S tier of sorceress and hammerdin
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>>720669381
if you want casual dadgamer fun, arpgs are not your genre.
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>>720683096
>sip beer
>music or a movie on another screen
>casually clicking dudes for an hour or so after work
D2 is quite literally the Dad game.
it requires no thought or skill, just "click cunts until they die"
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>>720680929
is there any reason to do this if i'm new and want to enjoy the game?
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>>720683531
The higher difficulty is offset by having much, much faster levelling and drop rates. You can end up being 10 levels higher than where you'd be on players 1, so even if it takes you a little bit longer to clear the game (it won't be that much longer), you'll be stronger as a result and can often go from normal->NM or NM->Hell without too much extra grind required.
There are times where you want to turn off p8 though, mostly for act bosses and some other superuniques that can be excessively tanky. Also turning it off once you reach Hell is perfectly fine, as getting to Hell is a major difficulty spike with monsters having more HP, resists, and mods.
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>>720683858
How do I set this up? Thinking of restarting with it
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>>720684292
You don't need to restart with it. Just type "/players X" (1-8) while in single player. You can change it at any time and will apply immediately. However it doesn't affect monsters which have already been loaded.
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>>720684413
I just want to go back to the beginning so I can get a proper feel for it.
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>>720684501
How dumb is that.

What class and build are you playing?
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>>720685035
please be patient
i might have autism
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>>720685662
Answer the question autist
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>>720685854
necromancer
so hiding behind skelly crew
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>>720686037
Just test out how fast your kill speed is with /players 7, 5 or 3. It will probably be too slow after anything past act 3 normal when you want to play on p1 anyways. Don't start over like a retard
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>>720669381
Fire Druid only needs Leaf and Stealth plus a mercenary with Insight

With Sundered Charms the only final frontier is giving all non-Sorceress classes unlimited Teleport
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>>720681369
pls reply
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>>720679751
>>720679575
>>720679430
I think people are being way too "well technically" with this dude. Sorc and Pally are tied because they absolutely shit on the game in different ways. Pally has smite and hammers. It is the safest, budget way to do a lot of shit in the game. Sorc requires a bit more knowledge and skipping shit until she gets up and running, but she is the best way to quickly get gear. Bringing up a sorc doing ubers or sunders is kind of beside the point-- sunders require good gear (infinity) to be good enough to be part of this conversation. It's expensive to do ubers with a sorc. Pally can put on literal dogshit-tier equipment and solo ubers fine. Ranking characters is stupid past a point because they do not take into account so much. Most people wouldn't rank assassin above them despite Mosaic and it's insane scaling into players infinity, for example. For all intents and purposes, Pally = Sorc unless you start bringing up specific roles or niches. You're more likely to recommend a new player start a pally than a sorc, and you wouldn't need to recommend a sorc to anyone slightly more experienced.
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>>720667746
necromancer
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>>720667830
>Cucknado twisters
>BG3 bear rp
Yeah no.
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>>720687552
Completely agree.
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I need an Um rune but countess only drops Tals
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>>720682887
>respeccing
Casual.

>>720687854
If you are solo self-found and have put in a shitload of time, I actually recommend looking up LK seed manipulation to save yourself a gazillion years. There's no point in spending 200 hours of mindless LK runs for decent runes. Anything else is you grinding, but solo rune drops after getting otherwise good gear is retarded.
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>>720685662
>>720684501
just ignore the minmaxxer and have fun doing basically whatever.
If you want unlimited respecs play Offline and use a save file editor with HeroEditor or something, or install classic D2 with PlugY mod.
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>>720688052
>recommending heroeditor
holy shit lmao
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>>720683096
>Now, you may find yourself saying: Crate, I am a single parent of six with three jobs, pickleball lessons, and also I volunteer at a cat shelter across town to which I walk through six feet of snow every day both ways. I love Grim Dawn, but I simply do not have the time to play on a difficulty like Ascendant Mode! We hear you, average human!
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>>720688553
I'm a video gamer, playing like 5 different video games at a time. Doing dailies, speedruns and challenge runs. Sometimes my friends want to play competitive FPS and MOBAs. I simply do not have time for a job.
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I like Bowzon.
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Why do items like this exist?
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>>720674928
>>720676986
huh I thought Necromancer was considered to be broken in D2
I still really like him anyway, most fun Necromancer for building an army I've played in this genre
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>>720690015
>huh I thought Necromancer was considered to be broken in D2
When?
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>>720690309
I heard a guy saying that once, before I played D2 some years ago, nothing much
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>>720667746
Play D1. It doesn't have much gameplay depth but the atmosphere is as good as D2, but darker and less mainstream.
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Say, did you know that these constant diablo generals on /v/ appeared the second the /vg/ general died due to inactivity?
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>>720690519
There is not a single specific aspect in the game where a Necro excels in that he can be considered broken. Far from it even.
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>>720690015
necro definitely has a lot of the most clickbaity skills, but you'll notice especially when you go into multiplayer that he's always struggling to keep up with other classes, and this often carries over into single player
who cares about corpse explosion when you have javazons, telestomp sorcs, or especially now mosaic sins who can blow up entire screens without taking 30 seconds to get the bombs rolling? who can do it all on p8 while necro can't ever go above p3?
curses are god tier but a lot of classes get access to them, lower resist wands are shopped, decrepify is common on a lot of gear and mercs can use Reapers Toll to proc it constantly, and amp damage is available on some pieces like Atma's Scarab
having a skeleton army is nice but if it takes you 45-60 seconds to get it built up, that's a minute that you spent in the blood moor while a sorc already killed andy once and is on her way to the second run
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>>720690819
>Diablo /vg/ general
I can only imagine the horrors
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>>720689217
Because
> You might not want to min/max with a Stormshield or SpIrit
> It might be your first run
> Self find runs and Ironman runs are fun
> Durability last a ton on shields, even if it's ethereal
> It looks cool
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>>720691034
>Yeah man I always wanted to let monsters HIT ME IN THE FACE 20 times to summon a fucking LEVEL SIX BLIZZARD instead of getting resists or skills or other useful things on a shield.
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>>720687659
>he doesn't want to be a furry
Why are you on /v/?
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>>720691034
>> Self find runs and Ironman runs are fun
You wouldn't use this shield ever in a solo run
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Should I make a Peace armor for my merc?
Another valkyrie sounds funny
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>>720691273
Peace is pretty fucking good for an Amazon. But get your Merc a Treachery if you have a Lem
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>>720691273

unless i am mistaken, only the player character can cast the valkyrie portion
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best rune I ever found playing the game off an on since the og was a cham rune
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>>720691520
>>720691713
>This armor is sometimes used by other classes for the Valkyrie proc, although it does not activate if it is worn by their hireling.
Oh nevermind then
I was planning on giving him Duress for his actual armor. I just wanted Peace to summon a valk then swap armor around
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>>720690938
It's the same exact thing as these threads, just a handful of casual blizzdrones pretending they're intelligent for playing offline loot treadmills. This is 100% honestly the absolute worst game you can play.
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>>720691754
If your Amazon has even a single point in Valkyrie, then the Valkyrie from the procc is permanent
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QRD on "mosaic" assassin?
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>>720691945
I just do ssf runs of fun builds with as little farming as possible
I've never cast teleport in single player in my life
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>>720691258
>Delusional to the point of thinking he owns the place
It's a straight white ubermensch palec, just like with shit skins, mental ill troon and other subhumans trash, you are not accepted, you are tolerated here, out of the goodness of our pure porcelain spirits.

Don't ever think we are bodies, and the second the day of recording is upon us, you will be first in line for the fire of incineration.
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>>720667746
recent d2 thread are making me want to pick it up again after almost a decade
hows the remaster? is it worth it, or should i just stick to my old d2 copy
don't really care for ladder or trading since i usually play solo
can you still host locally? might get a few friend in on it
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>>720692257
also forgot to ask
what is with the recent d2 threads
there's been an uptick the past few weeks, something happen?
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>>720667746
the only iteration of d2 worth playing is pd2 and maybe median XL. it boggles my mind people actually play vanilla or d2r
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>>720692257
D2R is an upgraded visual engine running on top of the old game similar to the recent Oblivion remake. Same maps generation, enemy spawns, item drops, etc.

Some backend and QoL improvements come with it too, and there's a little bit more content in the form of runewords and maybe uniques I don't recall, plus terror zones, but it's basically it. It's worth it imo
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>>720692257
Don't buy D2R, get Project D2 or Path of Diablo. PD2 is more actively worked on. D2R is censored tranny garbage. pic rel
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>>720667746
Burizon was ezmodee

lvl 9 poison assassin was a fun griefer tho
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>>720692178
> It's ok. Visuals are and effects are nice, there were buffs to make lesser played builds viable, but everyone got beat with an ugly stick to suit the current playerbase
> Pick it up sale. Not worth the full price.
> No
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>>720692257
Modded D2 is better than the demake (which is online only). If you want some QoL like infinite stash get PlugY
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>>720669381
>tfw you've played so much d2 the concept of being stuck on duriel is inconceivable to you
>tfw you can beat duriel on all classes on all difficulties in blue gear
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>>720677662
They dont know the power of stacking thaw potions
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>>720692257
Median XL is a good shake up if you've played it already, it changes a bunch of stuff in the game while still being D2
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>>720683531
Its much more enjoyable because you get to 30 faster and start using your build earlier.
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I am actually having fun on players 8 as an assassin. There is an actual reason to use the dragon kick before mosaic and against things other than bosses now.
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>>720692051

When you dual wield the claw runeword Mosaic, your combo charges have a 100% chance to not be spent, meaning that you can infinitely spam combo finishers as long as you don't let your charges drop, dealing absurd DPS exponentially higher than any other build in the game

This is especially effective with Dragon Talon which hits up to 6 times rapidly at skill level 30
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>>720667830
Fury Werewolf druid is way more cool than Zeal Paladin
Wind and Fire Druids are more fun the Sorc and much better at dealing with immunes in Hell
Druid rules.
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>>720668083
Only if you're a faggot that only cares about using top tiers in every game.
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>>720692257
>hows the remaster? is it worth it, or should i just stick to my old d2 copy
Very good. They uglified some models but you will literally never notice in regular play.
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>>720692325
>what is with the recent d2 threads
>there's been an uptick the past few weeks, something happen?
D2R just launched in China
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>>720693009

Honestly being hard stuck on Duriel in modern D2 / D2R is only possible if you spread all of your skill points into every single skill in every single tree by level 12 or something

it mainly became a meme in the early days of the original D2 because by the time your computer finished loading and finally displayed the game again, you could be nearly or completely dead
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How do I increase my loading times?
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>>720693935

underclock your CPU, install the game on a HDD or usb2.0 thumbstick
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>>720693935
slower hard drive
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>>720692659
>>720693081
funny thing is i actually have played both mods, and of the two i did prefer pd2 over median xl and the original
not sure if anything's changed between the two since it 'has' actually been a long time since ive playd either
also im not even surprised how og d2 is not in blizzard's gay launcher but the remaster is
hell it even has d1
have to go out of my way to the actual website and get my shit there
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>>720692080
>I play in the dumbest most casual way possible while never learning the game
Maybe if you did it proper you would have stopped and moved on by now
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>>720690857
The only thing necro "breaks" is enemy resistances with lower resist. Its incredibly broken if you are playing mp, but alone its just very helpful.
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>>720693491
holy shit
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>>720690857
its the best cow killer in the game.

>javazons

javazons can't attract packs of cows from across the map with bonewall
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>>720694019
>>720694027
Okay, I mean DEcrease
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>>720694786
>its the best cow killer in the game.
lmao maybe on P1.
Java eats P8 cows like breakfast
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>>720695314
>p1

who the fuck plays single player
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>>720667746
How come Diablo 2 is the only game where I can raise a fuckhuge skeleton army to crush my enemies with?
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>>720695887
Because you haven't played Heroes 2/3.
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>>720667746
I hate runes so much.
> have to look on 3rd party sites for combination
> have to grind specific combination
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>>720694160
>Never learning
Of course I know how to make a better character. I've got a hammerdin with enigma and most of the other well known best gear for the build. I've made my share of sorcs for multiplayer grinding as far back as LoD
It's more fun for me to do ssf gimmick builds or casual shit with my friends. It's not like we're in an mmo that's going to get massive content releases
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>>720696152
Having an army of skeletons representrd by like 3 units doesn't hit the same as having all my little skeleniggas running around stabbing people.
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>>720695887
Because you haven't played Total War Warhammer.
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>>720692659
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>>720695501
If you do cow runs alone in a game on battle.net you're doing it wrong.
You do cows while you join a P8 Baal game.
Farming cows on P1 is stupid anyways
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>tfw it's been long enough that i'm feeling nostalgic for d3 ros
some crusader builds were admittedly kind of fun
but it's still kinda gay how you're kinda pigeonholed unto using set items
as well as the way the grind treadmill is setup
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>>720696763
Every build in D3 feels the same.
>press your 3 buttons
>everything explodes on screen
>use your movement ability to go fast
>find the next champion pack and explode everything again
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqSFu3IU_hI
hehehe
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>>720695887
I once had fun with Vaal Summon Skeletons in PoE with periods of 50 onscreen boners, friend complained about FPS so it must've been doing something right. Wonder if it's still feasible.
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Im doing Nightmare for the first time ever and I've gotten up to Diablo but I feel SO weak. I can probably beat diablo by tping to town 12-20 times but I really dont want to have to do that. I know I need a new bow but cant find anything better and all my runes are low level runes.
Any ideas? I've been farming Nightmare Andarial for the last 3 days trying to get anything good
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>>720667746
>paladin
>one point into zeal
>max sacrifice
>max fanaticism
>two handed maul
>some gems for HP on hit
It's gamer time
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>>720697024
NTA but what bothers me about PoE Necro is that most of the summons are temporary, still fun though
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Assassin has busted shit like cloak of shadows and a trap that comes with corpse explosion on it. Amazon shits on monsters that aren't immune to lightening with fury.
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>>720667746
Summazon is probably one of the best buyilds in the game.
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>>720697112

a TRVE hammerdin
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>>720696890
How old is that
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>>720697112
add a merc with might aura, or stick a pride on one for conc aura and you're really gaming
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When do I start getting non shit runes
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>>720697046
A good portion of your damage is fire based, which isn't good considering most mobs have high resistance to it.
Wait until you get ot Hell, and find out a third of the monsters are immune to it.
You need a better bow (pay attention to physical damage), and maybe change your main skill to strafe and guided arrow (not many mobs are resistant to magic).

See if you can make this bow.
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>>720667746
>trapassin
>wind druid
>lighting sorceress
>javazon
>bonemancer
>hammerdin

Best and most fun classes.
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>>720697518
when you get to hell and do chest runs in lower kurast.

or you could cube your runes together and make better runes.
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>>720697518
>runes cant stack in d2r
holy fuck what absolute dogshit lmfao
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>>720697046
A little trick with Diablo is that in Nightmare and Hell difficulty his lightning attack cannot hit things right on top of him. In normal it can
It's a little cheesy, but it does work
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>>720697572
Dont have the runes for any good Runeword weapons. But I will try farming them
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This is as good as it gets for charms right?
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>>720697046
why would you need to go to town for diablo? you have a bow, buy a few stacks of arrows and shoot him from a distance.

if you're trying to get gear you need magic find stuff on, you should be killing mephisto at minimum for better gear.
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>>720679880
Depends on your class. For melee a strength or black rune word is good due to crushing blow. With nightmare countess just farm her for any of the good rune words like a spirit sword, smoke armor, rhyme/ancients pledge shield. With belts you want to find one with resistances and/or life, you can potentially be getting 30+ life belts in Act IV normal. For shoes just get something with resistances, run walk, and faster hit recovery. If you're doing poorly on resistances then get a three socket helmet and jam whatever ral, ort, or thuls into it to make up for your weaker resists. You can jam topazes in your Helm and body armors for some early good magic find. Farm nightmare Meph, drops way too many good items (level 42 class specific items, the best exceptional armors, gore riders and war travs, and so on).

This is for pre-busted shit like Enigma, Infinity, Grief, Fortitude, Call to Arms, Deaths Web, ect. Everything above will make it so you won't immediately fold in Act 1 Hell.
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>>720697894
He just takes SOOOOOOOO long to die
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>>720697868
yeah thats the hot shit. 5all res smalls are also good
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>>720697046
You basically play Bowazon twinked or you really know how to scrape by and understand it'll be slow. The biggest things you need to focus on is enough pierce so you can take advantage of stacking explosions as your shots rip through mobs. What's your pierce %? At your level, the best upgrade to your bow is going to be Harmony. Personally with SP and shit gear I would have likely specced cold just because Act IV even in NM gets slow with fire untwinked, but you do you. Act 2 merc with Insight should be able to poke most shit to death, but you should consider blessed aim or act 3 fire (for enchant) if you feel your AR is low. Your base damage is pretty shit which is why you are feeling the pain.
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>>720697046
Respecc into Java you fucking retard
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>>720697195
Zambies, Spectres, Animate Guardian, and a bunch of others have a bit of permanency unless they die or you lose the skill, but yeah Skeletons and some others operate more like totems. I'm trying out a bit of PoE II mostly blind and skeletons in particular are persistent and follow you around, but use up a resource in Spirit, of which auras also reserve, and boner warriors require a specific kind of wand to carry. I don't get the impression that one can get a giant minion army yet.
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>>720697927
yeah well you have shit damage and half of it's lightning and fire. He's fucking diablo. He has heavy resistance to fire.

you should just try to get some good unique javs and respec to lightning. It's way cheaper and easier to find those than the higher end bows.

Some builds only work when you're rich.
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>>720697968
Im at 65% pierce. Ive finished Act 4 pretty much im RIGHT at diablo just have to activate the little beacon things
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>>720697750
Meanwhile, show us your skills, maybe you can improve those too
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>>720696890
SOSARISU
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>>720697750
Ko is the only one of those difficult to get at all. Countess runs will get you the rest in no time flat. She can technically drop up to Ko in NM, but you're going to be doing quite a few runs for one. You want players 1 for countess runs. If you aren't using an insight polearm on an act 2 merc, it's a good stopover for that too.
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>>720697868
Nah, needs life as well
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>>720698149
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if you play hardcore as summonmancer, you didn't actually play hardcore
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>>720697868
you could also pull a life suffix on it, potentially a 15/40 or 15/45 charm
other good charms are skillers with life and 3/20/20 small charms or 10/40 grand charms
basically life is always good especially as a suffix since it doesn't conflict with much
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>>720697304
At least 20 years old, LoD wasn't even released, and yes, youtube didn't even exist
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>>720669381
Duriel filtered you?
I defeated him without good gear or talents (i used 2.1 branches because i had no idea about minmaxing)
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>>720698221
Valkyrie and decoy are musts for bowazons, and should also give importance to your pierce skill.
Passives are the strongest point of the Amazon, since most of its damage is just raw damage.
Should spend a third of your points on passives.
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>>720697750
Insight is a cheap bow rune word in Ressurected.
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If I do 99% damage to a boss with a regular weapon than switch to a magic find weapon for the last hit does that count towards getting better loot?
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>>720698549
It's unlikely to outdamage his current bow without the poison-- he's better off keeping what he finds for a harmony. That would have been a better choice when he was 27.

>>720698672
Yes. Also your merc killing stacks his and your MF together.

>>720698538
Agreed, though with his shit equipment he may want to slow on that until he gets a better bow as his skill damage is carrying what little momentum he has right now.
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Curious what the remastered online economy looks like. Is it still basically identical to old D2, with sojs and bigtime runewords like botd and enigma plus 3/2/20s?
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the lack of a skill level cap makes my head hurt
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>newfags discussing diablo 2
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>>720698672
Yes
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>>720699971
hello
i like the amazon and assassin's exposed ass cheeks
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>>720699634
not really. now that there's been years of cracking mechanics high runes aren't worth what they used to be
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>>720699857
Why? You're capped by +skills and most don't scale well after a certain point unless it's something that causes % increase to damage, hence why stuff like jmods+facets are better than spirit.
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>>720700075
What the fuck are you talking about.
Prices are still measured in Jahs and Bers
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>>720688138
for a casual single player rpg? yes why the fuck not.
do w/e you want.
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>>720700262
then i need to find out the softcaps for some skills
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>>720700393
Use a skill calculator and figure out what gives you the best bang for the buck. Most true best in slot items are crazy specific. What build are you even looking at?
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Where is the best place to get socketed weapons?
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>>720700976
Take off mf -> p8 cows. You can look up where the best places to find specific bases are though. Countess runs aren't bad either due to mf not mattering and so many armor stands or weapon racks.
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>>720700976
Charsi
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>>720700976
There's also a cube recipe which is sometimes worth it, but you need to understand how socket rolling works and the max sockets your item can get. You can use specific areas and the monster level to get items more likely to roll certain socket amounts. Lower level item levels (based on monster level when dropped) have fewer max sockets.
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Play as barbarian, equip MP/HP recovery/stealing gear, spam whirlwind repeatedly, and win.
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>Run solo self-found / offline
>Mod the game for double stash capacity
>Bump all rarities by 10x
>Maybe bump highest rarity runes by 20x
>getting a jah or ber rune takes 70 lower kurast runs instead of 700
just get it out of your system
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>>720701716
Dont do anything this retard says
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>>720667746
trapsin all day every day
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>>720695887
>>720697024
>>720697195
>PoE 1 permanent minions are zombies
>PoE 2 permanent minions are skeletons, but the meat of the better minion builds are ranged skeletons or spectres

tfw no undead melee skeleton legion
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>>720690015
other classes clear content faster, but most need good gear or they shit themselves on hell difficulty, you can comfortably clear everything with a self found necro and don't need to get your hands dirty for the most part
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>play via d2r for the extended patching
>there are mods to expand inventory space
>they only have ui implementation for the nasty ass new graphics, nothing for the legacy graphics
reeeeeeee
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>>720676250
>>720677785
I actually just saw the most insane take ever that melee is overpowered in Poe2 because loot drops at your feet instead of half a screen away
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>>720677193
pit ,travincal,pindle if pindle perhaps take some other uniques along the line near wps too
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>>720667746
amazon has bigger tiddies and ass
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>>720667746
The fact that pot juggling didn't kill this game within 2 months of launch is a sign that people were either insanely starved for good games back then or that design standards have the ability to enter peoples dna
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>>720705989
>were either insanely starved for good games back then
>back then
People still play it today, kid
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>>720706091
And would they still be playing it if it failed to become relevant back then mr retard?
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>>720667746
I wish werewolf wasn't so reliant on items to become good. And melee not sucking in general.
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>>720681703
ass cancer level without blink
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>>720667746
Zon is more fun.
I feel like the martial art or w/e assassin would be more fun in a Nioh-like arpg with the elemental on-hit stuff but it's not that strong. Trapsin is just boring, might as well play sorc.
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>>720706325
>what if good games was bad game?
>would people still play??
shut the fuck up man :D
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For me it's Act 2 Prayer Merc + Insight + Cure
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If 5 then I'll roll my Enigma in this
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>>720692659
dnt you need to own D2R to play mods ? thats the only reason i havent played them
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>>720707932
What lead you to think that?
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>>720692659
You can just play with original graphics though?
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>>720681703
I've been playing this game for 25 years and I will never remember which runes are better than others.
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>>720708012
it said so on the website of pd2
https://www.projectdiablo2.com/download
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>>720708342
that doesn't say resurrected
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>>720708342
you only need a legit copy of diablo 2 (not d2r) to play on PD2's custom battle.net
which is super gay admittedly, but you can still play singleplayer or multiplayer over tcp/ip
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>>720708274

Easiest way to tell is the level requirement for using the rune, except for Hel which is technically level 33 but has no actual requirement
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>>720708274
>I've been playing this game for 25 years and I will never remember which runes are better than others.
You can wake me up at 2am in the night and I can tell you every single rune from lowest to highest
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>>720708417
How do they confirm if my copy is leggit?
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>>720708417
i have never given money to blizzard ever , but i was looking for a sale on d2r , if i get d2r will that let me play mods like pd2 median etc ? frankly its not rly that important to me which is why i didnt research much, i can always play d2r copies that i found on the net , or play the other 100 games in my backlog
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>>720708660
She was too young to die...
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>>720708614

There are some D2R specific mods but the biggest and well known projects so far are developed specifically with the original D2 in mind
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>>720708681
The aesthetics and overall feel of D2 were something else. It was so chilling entering the Monastery and discovering all the carnage and naked bodies with signs of torture in the aftermath of Andariel's takeover
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>>720709148
ADVERTISERS, GET DOWN.
I CAN SEE A NIPPLER
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>>720709283
It was a different time
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>>720697518
Lower Kurast chests
Level 85 dungeons
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>>720667746
play barb bitch. I managed to beat the game with him but later on good drops became scarce, I was just strong enough to not get oneshotted, in later acts every encounter became a potion drinking contest. it was fun and nerve wrecking.
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real niggas play throw barb, resurrected fixed it
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>>720677785
Barb in D2 is top tier farmer class with gear because of find item. Once you get teleport and BiS for barb he is as good or better than sorc for farming lvl 85 caves. Blizzard screwed over melee in D2 by making them WAY more gear dependant than other classes, at release they had an advantage of not needing much mana but then blizz added mana pots to vendors because lol imagine expecting casuals to manage mana on caster without being able to buy mana pots.
>>720676250
just get good at the game. warrior in PoE2 is a good class
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Thoughts on MedianXL?
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>>720712073
its gay
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>>720710890
You didn't beat the game
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>>720712684
But why? I was thinking about playing it.
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>>720711690
Build?
Singer barb works okayish well.
WW? Without shared gear? You are fucking hardcore mate.
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>>720712015
>Barb in D2 is top tier farmer class with gear because of find item. Once you get teleport and BiS for barb he is as good or better than sorc for farming lvl 85 caves.
Update your knowledge bro. Nobody does pit runs + horking anymore. It's all about TZ Andariel and Mephisto now. The amount and quality of drops don't even compare.
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>When you keep reverting back to Barb and like to self find gear on him
It's the simple things.
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>>720667746
depends if you have balls or not, and depends on which patch you're playing, but generally a kick sin is better than any zon, but zon has the added safety of being a pussy, so it's better for bad players with no nuts, like you
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>>720667746
Make a shout barb and call him better_man
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>>720679158
skeletons are less than paper in hell, you have to be able to at least generate 1 corpse in order to corpse explosions and in hell everything is fucking immune to physical so your summons do next to not da,age before being evaporated, your only options as a necro are poison or, preferably, bone magic
bone magic is magic damage which shit is rarely immune to, plus bone spear hits like a truck
back in the day necro poison was god, but they nerfed it
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>>720712015
>>720712882
Also need to add:
If you want to play your old school way of zerking uniques and horking, do TZ cow runs and ONLY kill the cow king.
He has TC87+ drop table on character level 91 (literally better than Baal) and 5 (FIVE) guaranteed drops. With a hork that's 10 (TEN!) guaranteed drops.
It's fucking crazy man.
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>>720667746
Javazon, go.
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>>720713030
underrated
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>>720713030
now if only there was a way to mod "where'd my wife's son gone" into sound files
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>>720693504
How is elemental druid better at dealing with immunes than sorc? I never did try ele druid. As for fury werewolf, that is pretty based and one character i remember fondly was a fury druid with Windhammer. Personally though, after having played both that and zealadin, I prefer the latter, since you don't need to constantly resummon heart of wolverine/oak when it dies, and my own personal preference leans towards paladin, only in D2 for some reason though, never did enjoy other interpretations of the archetype. But both builds have a lot going for them to the point where it doesn't just feel like playing the same "attack multiple enemies fast" type of build.
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>>720667746
>Now tell me if Amazon or Assassin is superior
depends what for and what build
generally, amazon is overall superior for a variety of content whilst assassin is only really good on content that traps are good in
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>>720697518
when you play ladder, retard
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>>720711690
What do you mean beat the game?
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>>720701716
>dies to iron maiden
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>>720712073
played it years ago. it was fine, nice crafting autism before PoE.
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>>720713572
Does it even exist in the game anymore?
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>>720713169
>and in hell everything is fucking immune to physical
You literally have amplify damage that is -100% physical resist.
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>>720679324
by not being in normal
skellymancer is not good early, it does not get great until much later with many more skillpoints invested
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>>720713606
doesnt matter to physical immunity
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>>720687248
you didn't specify what amazon you wanted to play, so it's impossible
the obvious is farm out a titans (eth is best if you get it)/buriza/windforce. can't really help you off the top of my head i only remember the java stuff, the helm with minus lightning res, thundergods
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>>720713169
>he doesn't use amp
>he doesn't use confuse
>he doesn't use attract
>he doesn't use merc with might aura + obedience
>he doesn't know corpse explosion is 50% physical 50% fire
>he doesn't use revives on blunderbores that have a crushing blow attack

my nigger what the fuck are you doing, learn to play necro
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>>720713657
It does. You can break immunities. What matters is how much you're lowering the resist and that monsters total resistance. Can some be unbreakable? Yes, but that doesn't mean all immunes are unbreakable.
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>>720711865
Throw barb is literally the best build to level a barb to 99
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>>720713030
WE MUST BE BARB MEN
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>>720713169
>skeletons are less than paper in hell, you have to be able to at least generate 1 corpse in order to corpse explosions and in hell everything is fucking immune to physical so your summons do next to not da,age before being evaporated, your only options as a necro are poison or, preferably, bone magic
Necro is the hardest class to play in D2 because you have to juggle Bone Spear, minions and curses all at once. Its very effective but it also means you have to press more buttons than most other classes. Corpse Explosion is a great skill because its damage depends on the HP of the corpse, not as much on the level of the skill, so even CE lvl 1 can clear mobs efficiently.
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I like to play multiple characters concurrently for a sort of SSF-lite. Odds of getting decent rolls of class-specific items from true SSF are too low, man.
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Nowadays I only play D2 with a cheat that gives you infinite skill points to 20/20 max out every skill.
I'm really sick of ultra specialized builds that spam a single spell over and over and over and over and over and over. I want to use the whole class, damn it.

The patch that added synergies ruined the game for me. Before a 20/20 skill was full power and you could actually afford 5 different skills at max for variety. Since the synergy patch you need 60-100 points to max out a single skill, with most points being useless in crap skills.
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>>720667746
>Now tell me if Amazon or Assassin is superior
Amazon, because she's hotter.
Only in LoD though.
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>>720714203
>White men dead or dying
>Tyroneadin Chad striding into battle to save the bitches with his BBC (Big Blessed Cudgel)
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Starting a new character and gearing them up is way more fun than endgame boring trash.
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>>720677242
This nerf was baffling because bowazon (ESPECIALLY physical) fucking sucks to this day and endgame single target damage is only useful against ubers anyway. I think it was a PVP issue? They should've just nerfed it against players in some way. Just like nerfing cows for leveling and forcing people to do Baal runes for the rest of eternity, it feels like a lot of changes were no fun allowed while they ignored egregious bugs like NHAM that persisted until D2R. It's one of my favorite games of all time but man did it sometimes feel like obtuse weenies were in charge of maintaining it.
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>pick up D2R
>was during covid and wfh, had infinite time to play
>grinding trav runs on my hammerdin during the 1st ladder
>backtobacktobacktoback games non stop
>see for the very first time in my entire life (i've played the original LOD on and off since like 2002) a Ber rune drop in hell Trav
>nearly fell off my fucking chair
>hocked it on .jsp for like 8k fg since it was only a week into ladder
it was a high that i've been chasing ever since. saw some Lo, Cham and Ohm runes drop but never another Ber and never a single Jah
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i fucking hate how dogshit melee is in general in d2. like my favorite build the zealot is just straight trash unless you have ultra endgame gear
then they completely break the assassin for some god unknown reason and it shits on literally everything else at a fraction of the budget. just insane
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>>720716318
What did you do with all that fg?
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>>720716416
the only melee worth playing is frenzy barb
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>>720716318
After D2R came out I got gear worth dozens of high runes (godly circlet, Enigma, near perfect CTA, life skill charms, etc.) and I still to this day have not gotten a single rune higher than Lo to drop. I traded for everything I got with a near perfect Griffon's Eye I found by complete fluke, high demand skillers, key sets, and tokens. The drop rate for tons of stuff is just intolerably low and I can stomach maybe 20 minutes of Lower Kurast runs before quitting.
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>Median and PD2 new patches are months away
Bros... I'm bored
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>>720716318
I found a Zod rune 3 days into my SSF playthrough in ancient tunnels.
The next day a Ber rune in arcane sanctuary
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>>720716428
i spent pretty much most of it putting together a Last Wish which wasn't fucking worth it at all
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>>720717337
>Last Wish
kek
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>>720717426
i wanted to stack auras on my pally and go for a full zeal/melee build with might/fana/defiance from exile/conc from pride but i spent everything on the last wish and it was total fucking dogshit, at least compared to grief
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>>720717517
>it was total fucking dogshit, at least compared to grief
At least you learned something that day
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>>720717615
for sure
i had never made last wish before and always wanted to, desu i was pretty burnt out from all the rune grinding that i thought fuck it why not
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>>720717337
>>720717517
>>720717426
>>720717615
>>720717650
I think Last Wish may have found new life in recent patches with dual wield barb mercs. I've seen them around in game and online here and there but never tried it myself.
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>>720676250
Grim Dawn do that
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Kicksin is my favorite build in the game. But Javazon is a very chill experience, and kicksin absolutely MUST have crushing blow to be useful at all.

>>720667906
t.rapsin
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>>720667746
Lol the left picture looks fucking gay compared to the right one. Blizzard artists sucked before most of their staff became trans or women of color. Straight white males are the worst game devs and thats probably why gaming is getting insanely good graphics compared to back then when they just wouldn’t hire you unless you had a polo shirt on and were 5ft8
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an effort was made
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>>720717967
if you're at the point where you can build a last wish and just slot it on a merc, you've been done with the game for a while
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I now understand the beauty of kicksin with the cobra strike
she's a perpetual motion death machine, her exposed pussy being the last thing her enemies ever see
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>>720716318
I had a Zod and Death's Web drop at the same time from Andariel
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I stopped playing D2R when I made a mosaic assassin, it felt like playing with cheats on
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For my recent build, it's the rancid gas potion.
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Should I just go full skelly mancer for a normal game or does it actually have any useful combat spells?
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>>720724028
A lot of people play summoner necro like some sort of idle game, but that fucking sucks.

You're supposed to be using amplify damage and corpse explosion.
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>>720716798
Try playing a real video game instead of garbage for once
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I enjoy Wind Druid because throwing tornadoes at monsters is cool.
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>>720676250
>swing at enemy
>it moves one pixel
>miss
>swing again
>fail hit roll
>miss
>swing aga-
>stunned
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Are there any other RPGs with a vaguely Christian setting like Diablo? ie Angels, Demons, Heaven and Hell etc?
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>>720682887
>charged bolt
Inferior to just using leaf until spirit.
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>>720726258
In Might and Magic VII, halfway into the game you have to pick between siding with Heaven or Hell and genocide the other.
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>>720697654
>everything is a le currency
fuck off with your modern shit
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I've been playing with my brother, "self" find only. Ladder, but we only enter each other's games.
Dclone seems to be extremely common (4 anni in just a week of play) I assume the ladder season is reasonably deep atm. We are building a smiter for ubers.
The only downside is that we can't up the player count, but it's still way more fun this way.
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Has anyone played the project d2 mod? Opinions?
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>>720696167
runes are almost like a cheat code, nothing else in the game can compete
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>>720700976
cows, getting runes is lower kurasth and the blood countess, but cows can give good runes too
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>>720728015
It's fun. Fairly configurable and enjoyable in single player too.
Default drop chance is about as much as with 5 players in the game, so solo is viable. Has usual quality of life features like shared stash.

You might want to read the class changes, because they did a full rebalancing and added new spells too. For example Necromancer now has a teleport spell like Sorcerer does, which makes summonmancer actually fun before you get your 'nigma. You can also have 3 curses on enemies at the same time, so a heavy Curse focused playstyle in multiplayer is viable. AND you can have like 5 golems out at the same time, if you invest a lot of skill points into them, making it an alternative to skeleton summons. Of course all of these are exclusive to each other and require lots of skill point investment.
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I remember going over to my friends house in junior high and him showing me rune words for the first time. It totally blew my mind it felt like I was uncovering some really hidden secret shit. It's funny his very religious mom wouldn't let us play the game originally because it was so violent, but we convinced saying the game was about killing satan. Pretty sure we showed her the Paladin too to really seal the deal lol
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>>720693504
>dealing with hell immunes
A non issue if you actually played the game instead of parroting something written 20 years ago.
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encountered my first real challenge on players 8, that fucking gigani*ga guarding the magic hammer enchanter
goddamn i had to kite him into my whirly blades because i couldn't set up my kicks
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Is trading still alive for D2R or is still tied to gay P2W forum gold?
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>>720725357
CE is pretty mana-intensive with a small radius early on. Skeletons scale fairly well if you focus on them for Normal -- remember to add Amp and Decrepify in combat as needed, as well as a Clay Golem point for the extra slowing effect on bosses. Once you hit A2NM, a Might merc will make your crowd even better. Late Nightmare and Hell are good times to toss points in CE, as you'll take a while longer clearing groups.
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>>720667746
Project Diablo 2 is so much better then the normal game.
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>>720729171
Will the mod work with a cracked copy? The website is really adamant about having a legitimate copy but I'm not going to give Blizzard 1 fucking nickel. I only plan on playing it over LAN with my roommate and not go online at all.
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>>720712782
Thought he was sporting a massive dick at first kek
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>>720730361
idk, never played it. Some Modders are such cucks for corporations holy shit, you wont get hired by blizzard bro
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>>720728482
I still prioritize uniques over runewords whenever I play D2. I first played the game with my father back when it came out, so this was before runewords and shit and rares were honestly the best gear you could get. To my underaged mine uniques were the best of the best because they were unique, and the gold text meant they were better than those shitty yellows.
I remember clearing Diablo on normal and getting my mind blown that there were other difficulties beyond that.
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>>720730361
yes
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Which new runewords and charms can you get by playing non-ladder?
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>>720667746
I went blind in Offline as Zealot Paladin. I beat nightmare but once I reached hell I realized I needed to do a lot of grinding to get my resistances and DPS up to snuff to even beat Den of Evil. I kind of gave up there.
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I got the shadow clone assassin skill and it is absolutely carrying me right now
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>>720679247
That's because there are like 5 pieces of gear before level 50 that are almost universally the best and they're all really easy to get.
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>>720737842
how did she turn evil? the canon stone carrier was the warrior
same thing with the mage negro
meanwhile the d2 characters all became gigachads and gigastacies when they returned to their original homes to the point that d3 and d4 characters fellate them
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>>720737842
her ass is straight up just out
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>>720669381
>/v/ when you have to play a game
>:(
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>>720669381
Jesus christ nigga, the thawing potions are right there in the shop.
No class can get hardstuck at duriel. You could probably just keep spamming potions into your merc and res him a few times to get through it.
Holy crap
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>>720676250
>PoE1
>when boneshatter: a literal walk up to monster and smack it over the head, was one of the strongest builds for years
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Duriel is such a classic noob trap it's honestly so nostalgic. I remember calling a classmate on our landline phone and asking him for advice :')
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>>720740262
>arpg
>game
Where is the gameplay
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>>720677785
hot take
melee should be the only classes to do aoe damage. high risk -> high reward
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>>720709427
indeed
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>>720740262
Wtf is this real?
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>You got me hooked on goyslop
skill issue
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>>720709148
i didn't see much :(
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>always wanted to make a smite paladin
>always sucked shit
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jesus christ
andariel fucking annihilated me
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>>720746524
andariel is a good use case for antidotes
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>>720748328
she just spams her AoE poison explosion
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>>720748997
what difficulty? I think there is something specific that triggers her to do poison nova
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>>720749403
normal
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>>720720440
i told you
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>>720713821
i did all of that and i've always been painfully aware that ce is 50% worthless physical and usually worthless fire, probably before your dumb ass was even born, i'm telling your dumb nigger asses from firsthand experience, if you're playing sumkons then you're the one who needs to learn necro
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>>720713882
even if you can break their immunity you're still doing a fraction of the damage, retardo



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