Which cast would (you) rather stay with?
>>720673460Everyone on the top row is an asshole and most of the bottom row have aura
>>720673460When you put their designs side by side you realize how much better Undertale's are (also most of the UT cast is smiling while Yellow's looks depressed lol)
>>720673460bottom row, but undyne is built different once she gets over her desire to kill all humans.
>>720674227yellows cast has either smiles or decisively neutral expressions.
>>720673460so do they all just get away with killing six kids
>>720673460I wouldn't mind hanging out with Papyrus, Undyne, Napstablook, and Asgore. The rest of the group can go to hell. Bottom row has a couple cute anthro girls, even if they're both terminally retarded, and Clover is cool. So its a toss up.
>>720673460Go stay with YOUR cast on >>>/vg/
>>720673460How is this even a question? Undertale completely mogs.
>>720674503If the jannies did their job, every permanent general like this and DALL-E would be banned from /v/.
>>720674227Ironic considering six of the nine people on the top are depressed.
>>720673460I like Martlet and Ceroba
>>720674553Did Toby do anything for the 10th anniversary?
>>720674791Some new merch, a concert in London, special issue of Famitsu, a website where people could talk to an echo flower about what undertale means to them. I think that's it?
>>720674791Not yet. Even though it's the anniversary on nippon, I expect a newsletter only later on today.
>>720674491>>720674281I dont know how papyrus slipped my mind there, I guess its because its a default that he's just a real one. papyrus and undyne for me, otherwise the yellow cast, even taking my odds around syringes.
>>720674365it's OK they got better
>>720675043Imagine false pacifist Clover crawling out of his grave like Caleb from Blood.
>>720674503fortunately its ingrained into the rules of /v/ that just because a game is discussed on /vg/ it doesn't mean you aren't allowed to talk about it on /v/! hopefully you understand the rules of this site a little better now
>>720673460The bottom cast preformed an assisted suicide on a child. This alone disqualifies them. Except Dalv he gets a pass.
>>720674503>Silksong threads>Andry & Leyley threads>Slay the Princess threads>Dandy's World threads>/vpol/ threads>Dall-E AI slop threads*crickets*>Undertale Yellow threads>NOO WE CAN'T HAVE THAT ON /V/Why the double standard?
>>720675628In an ideal world jannies would ban all of this.
>>720675168>false pacifist Cloverimmediately kills Asgore upon waking up
>>720673460>have to choose between spider pussy and squirrel pussyfuuuck
>>720675691>ideally jannies would ban yellow threads that aren't a general because... I dont like it!what a world we live in.
>>720675043surely the six children they murdered won't be a problem, they won't tell anyone or come for revenge
bottom looks mid so top
>>720675691but this is not a perfect world
>>720675043>the human SOULs are still aliveWhat did they do in the timeline where this happens?
>>720673460Looking at this has made me think about how crowded my fangame's main cast is. Undertale has 8 main characters, while mine has 10.
>>720674365Asgore killed all of them and in Neutral he dies then has his soul erased. In True Pacifist you gotta assume that the Souls forgave him when they were released.
>>720675505The top cast just killed the kids manually though.
>>720675043The dead kids are dead. I really don't like revival theory.
>>720675784It's True Pacifist. The Good End. The one where everybody gets a happy ending except Flowey.
>>720675886I know it would be anticlimactic but I think they'd just straight up leave and forever let monsters be trapped down there. Pandora's box and all.
>>720676310That's literally what actually happens. They move to the afterlife.
>>720676229yeah but it's hard to suspend my disbelief when there's so many potential problems
>>720676159I like revival theory if only because Im a sap and I want clover to get a happy ending, and while he's a fanfiction character I simply cant seperate him from the story in my mind after going through yellow.
>>720676159and yet there is no alternative explanation as to why the coffins are empty
>>720676583is that supposed to be kanako
>>720676673no idea, I get a "dunebuddy" impresion but it doesn't look like the ones we see
>>720676583It's weird how this fanfic stuck to 4chan versus all other fancontent.
>>720676739because it gets very close to being perfect but the devs fumbled the bag in just a way where it tickles everyone's autism just right to want to fix it
>>720676583Clover will be forever canon in my heart. I did a playthrough of Undertale after yellow and killed Asgore with the empty gun and had the cowboy hat as my armor.
>>720676819It's far from perfect in my opinion, but it has to be something to get a permanent not!general.
>>720676819its pretty much this, and despite some cringy lines, its not filled with that self aware type of ironic humor, the ways in which they failed, happened while trying to make something sincere
>>720676618I just assume Toriel buried them when Frisk was knocked out.
>>720676449The entire ending demands you stop thinking about it and just accept you got the golden ending, everyone but one is happy, you won, good job. Realistic consequences are for Neutral. True Pacifist is monsters not just leaving their hole in the ground but integrating perfectly into human society like the Monster War never happened and people's paranoia over soul stealing fiends is no longer a thing.Dead kids having beef with Asgore is really the least of the issues you have to overlook to accept True Pacifist.
>>720677021thats reasonable enough, but I still stand by just wanting to believe that clover got to live a life on the surface with monsters that had a few years to realize how fucked it was that they let a child die.
>>720677082I get the impression when looking at the true pacifist is its not saying "dont think about it" and more "some way or another it gets resolved for the best in this ending". its a happy ending down to the bits and pieces
>>720677021That's too short of a time frame to bury five coffins and still be outside waiting for Frisk. You need to face the fact that Clover lives.
>>720675775>ideally jannies would ban yellow threads that aren't a general because... I dont like it!I look like THIS and I say THAT.
>>720675043Cloverbros we are so back
>Souls: How dare you kill us!>Humans: How dare you kill our kids!>Asgore: Eight kids fell down the same hole in the same mountain over the course of years and not once did anyone ever show up to rescue them. Me killing them was wrong but so was you leaving them to die.
>>720677405We don't know how long the time frame is. Burying people can be quick.
Hey pregnancy drawanon, did any of those requests from last time end up catching your eye?
>>720677639asgore would not be the one to say this because first he wouldnt say it to the souls due to his guilt, and second he wouldnt bother defending himself at all due to how he handled guilt. I could see someone else coming in and saying it but it really isn't much of a valid rebuke to the souls themselves
>>720677701NTA, but I feel like there would've been a detail about that if that happened.
>>720677838I can say the same about the dead coming to life.
>>720677639missing 411 cases are a thing anon
The reasons the monsters integrated so easily is that all the children were actually unwanted children purposely thrown down the unwanted child disposal hole.
>>720677639It's really funny how many dudes on here leap to defend Asgore when Asgore is so disgusted with his own actions that he kills himself
>>720678225its because to be fair he WAS in a really shitty situation locked in a holy for untold time as leader of the people locked in the hole. the game does put it on you after all whether or not to forgive him.
>>720677917Why would you introduce 5 brand new characters at the end of the story when you can just give a silent nod by having the coffins opened. The alternative is that someone opened a casket and pulled out a corpse, carried them to an unspecified point and buried them in the underground.
>>720678225That's why we defend in. The man had not a single ounce of malice in his heart. He just wanted to do what was best for his people.
>>720677917The details present point more towards the humans resurrecting than just being buried off screen.I'm not saying it 100% happened, but all the monsters came back to life when Asriel let their souls go, and we know for a fact that most monsters' bodies disappear and die as soon as their souls are taken, which means asriel reversed death for basically all of monsterkind when he gave them their souls back. I don't see why he couldn't use his power to bring the humans back to life on top of that.
>>720678407Because literally reviving the dead would be a very big deal, especially when Toriel is so pissed at Asgore. You would expect at least Toriel to mention that she has new kids to take care of if they really revived.
>>720673460>Yellow's cast looks better>Yellow's cast is also infinitely more insufferable and have a penchant for yapping when you aren't putting a bullet between their eyesI will choose Undertale's cast.
>>720676897What did you think of the original UT? Also directing this towards anyone else who didn't think Yellow was great or even particularly good.
>>720674715that would leave you with basically no threads lolsubcommunities and having a thread catalog are part and parcel, you cannot have one without the other without overbearingly enforcing a rule against itthe only reason anybody gives a shit is generational trauma from pokemon generals and homestuck general
>>720675727Mammalian pussy is just tuesday. It's not every day you get to fuck a spider.
>>720678518Fairness, no monster have true malice in their hearts (cause UT lore is kinda dumb). Asgore definitely put himself between a rock and a hard place so it is reasonable to not be sympathetic to him. But I also do think the games give him way too hard a time for a very rough moral quandary, especially given how few monsters are even capable of going to war. Even Undyne still dies to child.Toby really should have specified the raw power of BOSS Monsters compared to normal ones more. If he really want to say Asgore's indecisiveness is a sin worthy of raw contempt from even his ex-wife, it really needs to say that Asgore really could have curbstomped a good portion of humanity with any number of SOULs.
What would happen if Clover's body was injected with determination and he became a goner?
>>720678601It's stated you can take the SOUL of an alive monster with incredible power. Asriel didn't kill them in anyway.
>>720678675>You would expect at least Toriel to mention that she has new kids to take care of if they really revived.Maybe they didn't revive as children, or maybe they didn't run straight towards the nearest group of monsters given that each of them died to monsters just before being jar'd.Them being alive doesn't mean they'd run straight to Toriel, they'd more likely go off to try and find whatever monster friends they had before they died, or just head for the surface.
>>720675947>my fangame's main cast iswhich game?
>>720679015Toriel canonically took care of each child that fell in. I feel like she would at least mention that the children she took care were revived.
>>720678601Monsters barely have a soul and their bodies are 99% magic. It's not remotely the same. There's also the thing about SAVE/LOAD just rewinding time in the Omega Flowey fight to resurrect Frisk whenever he dies, it's almost certainly the same sort of thing happening at the end of Hypergod Asriel. Which means it doesn't rewind back far enough to resurrect anything but the monsters,
>>720678975Cool, way to misread that data entry.The point of that entry in the true lab is to explain the point of the experiment, that being to find a way to harvest the soul of a monster before it disappears when they die. Another one of those entries even states that the monsters' dust was supposed to be returned if the experiment was successful, since harvesting the soul would still kill the monster in the process.Asriel taking the souls of all monsterkind killed them, he just used his lingering power to put them all back together afterwards.
>>720678675The children coming back to live doesn't suddenly undo the years of damage Asgore has done. There also is no reason why the kids would want to stay with Toriel.
bottom row by fartotal toriel death, total toriel defender death
>>720678769I think Undertale is a very good game, and playing Yellow highlighted Undertale's strengths, like having the main cast actively participate in their area. That's why Steamworks is the best Yellow area, too.
>>720678867a large part of the ambiguity comes from toriel herself being an unreliable narrator where asgore is concerned, and it's incredibly vague why she even hates him and, more to the point, she knows as well as asgore does that a war plan against humanity is just going to result in monster extinction because he doesn't have the conviction to begin killing humans (and quite probably no monster in the whole of the underground does), so pressing him about that and calling him a coward for not committing to it is dumb on top of the hypocrisy of her also dipping outit's less boss monsters are strong than it is they're special with enough cohesion for their soul to remain a little while after death to enable a scrapped magic system for frisk and to enable flowey snatching the soul out from under you in the first neutral ending, one specific mongolian child that's really good at dodging and has rizz can solo the entire underground but it's pretty firm elsewhere that if asgore actually could kill he'd be more than capable of picking up as many souls as he wanted after absorbing the fallen humans'
>>720679154>I feel like she would at least mention that the children she took care were revived.If she knew about that, sure, but like I said, I doubt each of the fallen children would have made a beeline straight for her if they got revived. They more likely either headed straight for the surface to try and distance themselves from the people who killed them, or went off and tried to find their own friends.
>>720679212>data entry>True LabAnon... this is from Waterfall. It has nothing to do with any experiments.
>>720676583Flowey doesn't exist for any other human but frisk. Yellow is an au
>>720679392Whatever, doesn't prove me wrong.That textbox says that it would take an incredible amount of power to harvest a monster's soul, but the game explicitly makes it clear that actually doing so would still kill the monster in question.You're still wrong, end of.
>>720676819They did everything wrong
>>720679486Can we go a single thread without a floweyfag insisting his character makes no sense in UTY despite the fact that he's perfectly fine?
>>720679486irrelevant reply.
>>720679347I genuinely doubt they wouldn't notice the empty coffins, and they wouldn't notice they going to the surface when they were standing in the literal only exit to the underground.
>>720679494It does. It explicitly states that a soul of an alive monster can be taken by an incredible power, which is literally what happens. The game only says it kills the monsters when it's NOT done in this way.
>>720679579there are absolutely issues with flowey in uty, but they made it work overall well enough. >>720679645aren't the coffins downstairs out of the way from the throne room? toriel likely rushed to barge into the throne room when she made up her mind to stop asgore, and its reasonable that she wouldnt want to go to see the coffins if she didn't just magically know they were opened
>>720679321Not about Undertale Yellow but this post still has me thinking>Alternate timeline where Toriel says "fuck it", absorbs the human souls and goes to war with humanity while shattering the barrierWould it work?She would've killed billions...
>>720673460one that's canon according to toby.
>>720679494>the entire final fight against Asriel is reaching out to all that remains of the monsters to make them fight back against him the exact same way the human souls rebel against Flowey>"When a monster dies its SOUL disappears">"Asriel killed all the monsters"Bro the foreshadowing is literally right there that Asriel was the great power who could take a living monster SOUL.
>>720679265>knows that there are human killing death squads beyond the ruins >has the ability and the authority to stop them>lets 6 children wander off on their own >"also pls don't ever come back here"
>>720679579I haven't been in these threads for half a year so you are just seething and coping at this point.
>>720675043Is it actually canon that Asgore killed them? Or did they die other ways?
>>720679486True, but fanficfags don't like this. Nothing wrong with an AU.
>>720679645>I genuinely doubt they wouldn't notice the empty coffinsWe never see any of the other characters in the coffin room, so we don't even know if they checked in the first place, and even then, it's likely only Asgore would've checked at some point after the fact.>and they wouldn't notice they going to the surface when they were standing in the literal only exit to the underground.Unless the humans woke up before they did, or waited for the place to be a bit emptier before making their moves.Underground's a big place, they could've just gone somewhere else where the main cast wouldn't have followed them.
kino is back on the menu
>>720679867Wog but not canon
>>720679773It sure is something to think about
>>720679762All of the main cast wakes up in the barrier room, which is where they actually were. Just saying, if Toby intended for ressurection someone would at least mention it.
>>720679867Tobias "Radiation" Vulpes-vulpes himself said almost as soon as the game came out that Asgore was the one who got them all
>>720680054twitter is only canon when i want it to be canon btw
>>720679773I wonder about that, sure against 6 soul flowey frisk dies repeatedly, but when he has 7 souls equivalent frisk even when brought to 0 hp "refuses". I have a feeling that determination is the power to reach "an ending" and if monsters actually waged war on the surface whos to say someone in the wide world wouldnt have the power to refuse death like frisk did even against 7 souls?
>>720679927Okay, this is now getting too speculative. It's more likely revival theory isn't a thing rather than every single thing you said happening.
>>720679754>It does. It explicitly states that a soul of an alive monster can be taken by an incredible power, which is literally what happensThe game says the soul can be *taken*, but not that the monster would survive.The reason it specifies the soul of a living monster is because the souls of non-boss monsters disappear alongside their bodies when they die, making it impossible to harvest them normally. The game saying that an incredible amount of power would be needed to harvest a living monster's soul is the explanation for how it can be done at all, not the game saying that it can be done without killing the monster you're taking the soul of.
>>720679773doubt it, toriel herself is still just as much of a pussy as her husband when the chips are down; she backs down instantly when opposed by either undyne or the underground mobs in trying to ascend the throne, and her own response to asgore's war plan was to apparently leave so abruptly he thought she was dead (it isn't specified if she tried to talk him down or anything like that, so probably not)
>>720679849You're far from the only illiterate anon to misunderstand Flowey's character, I assure you.
>>720679773Not even Flowey could wield human souls effectively. I doubt you could get them to comply with killing 8 billion humans.
>>720680141Context, dude. If the above sentence is talking about monster deaths, and then talks about taking the SOUL of an alive monster, then it implies that monster wouldn't die in that case.
>>720680032the coffins were down the stairs to the right down another set of stairs not in the barrier room, thats where the souls were kept
frisk boy or girl???kris boy or girl????clover boy or girl???
>>720680149More of a pussy, given you have to manually run into her bullets for her to kill you. She might die of a ulcer if she dared to have real killing intent.
>>720680423Frisk - GirlChara - GirlKris - BoyClover - BoyPerfectly balanced.
>>720679820>Bro the foreshadowing is literally right there that Asriel was the great power who could take a living monster SOUL.Your inability to read continues to astound me.A monster's soul vanishes with their body when they die *under normal circumstances*. The difference with what Asriel did is that he was able to use his power to harvest their souls without them vanishing, but the individuals still died in the process. Asriel literally has hundreds of monster souls surrounding him when he see him give up the souls, separate from the monster's bodies.
>>720680376Yes, but that anon implied they went to the surface without anyone noticing, which would be impossible. Revival theory needs to many concessions to realistic work.
>>720680506Basado
>>720680032>if Toby intended for ressurection someone would at least mention it.Yes, if Toby meant for something to be canon, he'd explicitly mention it and not beat around the bush with interpretation or anything dumb like that.You just blow in from stupid town?
>>720680208No I'm correct sorry retardkun.
>>720680586>which would be impossible.It's impossible to sneak around a bunch of people passed out on the floor?
>>720680687This but unironically. Stuff he leaves to interpretation he makes blatantly clear, like why Frisk fell or why Chara hated humanity.
>>720680687Charration is indeed canon
>>720680772This is giving yet another concession and just assuming they're passed out instead of being awake. Like I said, too many concessions to work. You can still headcanon it, though.
>>720680852Why did Chara hate humanity?
>>720680245That text is literally talking about the soul, it has nothing to do with the monster surviving. The emphasis on needing a living monster is because the soul itself needs to not be destroyed, which always happens when a monster is killed. The point of that text in waterfall, as well as the experiment in the true lab, is to show the idea of separating a monster's soul from it's body in order to harvest it, not to show the idea of the monster surviving.
tony fox here to remind you that this 'chara' thing is no longer canon in any way shape or form, and the undertale update tomorrow will remove it from the game entirely
>>720680556Their bodies are magic and dust held together by a living soul. If the soul is alive the body is meaningless. They're not dead until the soul is gone.Again, this is in the game.
>one chance at making a fan game based on the yellow soul>doesn't have you shot Undyne in the eyeIt's so over
>>720680586all it takes is "asriel brought them back while he still had the power of the souls thus that would mean all of the monsters are still unconscious, they left in that time". its not really much of a reach
>>720680964Exactly. It's left for interpretation explicitly from the game by having Asriel directly ask it, lol.
>>720680921>Like I said, too many concessions to work.I feel like out of all the HCs I've seen people throw around over the years, this is easily the most plausible. All the humans would've needed to do in order for the main cast to not be aware of their revival is just not go into the same room as them at the same time. It's also possible Asriel used his power to just place them somewhere else in the underground, which we know he can do given that only the main cast wakes up in the same room as Frisk at the end of pacifist, despite most of the game's entire cast being in that same area just before the fight with Asriel. The various humans could've easily just woken up with their own respective friend groups after their souls were released, miles away from the main UT cast.
>>720681018undyne never met a human before frisk
>>720681056Nah. It takes:>Asriel having the power to ressurect the dead (not implied)>Nobody noticing they being revived>Nobody comments they being revived>They're nowhere to be seen>They're never mentioned in post-game content.Meanwhile Toriel simply burying them is actually implied since she did that to Chara.
>>720681018Why are her and Alphys even in Undertale Yellow? It seems wildly out of place to have every cast member be the exact same in the prequel, and it puts Yellow way too close to Undertale chronologically.
>>720681215It's fine as a headcanon but that is it. But to be fair, Yellow itself doesn't fit the canon either. So it's fine for people to believe both.
>>720681257I know but this was a very popular theory back in the day
>>720678942Goners are copies, not zombies.
>>720680974And I thought I SAID you own me another 20k bucks, Robert.
>>720681347the devs made UTY literally 1 year before UT, huge mistakethey also justified all kids disappearing close to each other cuz they all came from an orphanage built at the base of mt ebottneedless to say most people dismiss this
>>720681347Because the authors are retards who think flowey existed before first and that 201x was when frisk fell
>>720673460>Would you rather hang out with the real characters or gay fanmade ones?What do you think?
>>720680982>Their bodies are magic and dust held together by a living soul. If the soul is alive the body is meaningless. They're not dead until the soul is gone.Again, complete misunderstanding of the game's lore. The soul isn't the only thing that matters to a person's existence in UT, it's a combination of both the body and the soul. In monsterkind's case, the body is their dust, which is why Flowey has all of Asriel's memories despite not having his soul. Also,>They're not dead until the soul is gone.That's not how monsters in-game treat it. Flowey makes that distinction when he talks about not killing Asgore if you go through the underground without killing anyone, but he still makes sure to prevent you from taking his soul. A person's soul isn't them, it's a *part* of them, in the same way that an engine is not a car. A car doesn't still exist after being put in a trash compactor just because I have the engine in my garage, I just have a component of the car.
>>720681470and just like i told you before they're up your assnow where's that chapter 5 leak, seb?
>>720678867>Fairness, no monster have true malice in their heartsNo, they do. The upper limit for monster malice is just a lot lower than the average malicious human. Toriel, Muffet, and Mettaton are examples of monsters with a lot of malice.
>>720681347It has to be close because Flowey a major character and without him UTY falls apart
>>720673460Top cause they wouldn't let a kid kill themself.
>>720681504Frisk rather
>>720681396UTY can easily fit into the canon of UT, it's just slightly awkward is all.
>>720679074Oldentale. I've ended up with this weird situation where every Disk (what I'm calling chapters) has on average 2 main antagonists. It all works in context, but man there are a lot of these guys, so I'm kinda worried they'll blend together in the player's mind.
>>720681654It can't
>>720681580UTY could work without flowey, it would just need to be set earlier (don't include any UT chars besides toriel and asgore) and have better writing (lol)
>>720681704No, it can.
>>720681754Sorry but no.
>>720681737NTA, but there's no reason to exclude Flowey from UTY at all. He's a great character, but also his inclusion doesn't actually break anything either. Most of Flowey's plans completely fall apart even when everything's in his favor, he's just not actually a very good manipulator at the end of the day.
>>720679212The goal of the true lab experiments was to make the souls of already dying monsters persist after death. Alphys wasn't going around killing people to get their souls.
>>720681654but it isn't
>>720681856It breaks everything.
>>720681789Don't worry I checked, it works.
>>720679243What other damage has he done?
>>720681737you run into the problem of why a time traveler would just accept his death as an outcome instead of resetting
vgh i just hate that yellow fanfictionanyway im going to talk about my waifu that only exists in my headcanon for 200 posts now so fuck off
>>720681909Except it doesn't, because you can't actually back up your point in any way other than "IT JUST DOESN'T OKAY!!!1!".
>>720681578I already leaked the track of Assgore's battle, ASSWHORE. How about I leak "song that might play when Rudy is the Knight"?
>>720681581>Toriel: If you leave the safety of the ruins then ASGORE is going to murder you dead, you stupid little shit>Also Toriel: Well okay fine I'll let you go even though I still think ASGORE is going to get you like he did the last six kids
>>720681304>Asriel having the power to ressurect the dead (not implied)he has the power of 7 souls, the power that has been referred to as "becoming a god". this is not an unreasonable concession>Nobody noticing they being revived>Nobody comments they being revived>They're nowhere to be seenall handled at once by the revival happening while asriel still held the souls, so it would by default mean while the monsters were unconscious. these are a "gimme".>They're never mentioned in post-game content.we are given very little info on post game anything other than that "everyones happy yay, also toriels an alcoholic!"its really a pretty reasonable take on things
>>720682004where is the link then? go ahead, post it
>>720681654Even the Yellow devs disagree with you, bro.
>>720681959why did the other kids die if they could reset?the truth is even frisk only survive due to the PLAYER's determination, the kids all had lower determination and just gave up, like the hollows in dark souls
>>720681856Flowey doesn't have to be a good manipulator when he can just reset any outcome that he doesn't like. This inherently makes him OP.
>>720681959Undertale actually deals with this quite nicely by having the substance that gives people this power be called "determination". You can go back and try again for as long as you have enough of it, but as you keep going your determination gets worn down just a little bit more each time you reset, until eventually you're ready to throw in the towel.If you think you've seen everything and still can't find a way out, sometimes the best choice is to go out on your own terms.
>>720681976>Kanakofags out of nowhere.
>>720682074Inside Temmie's pussy.
>>720682147>when he can just reset any outcome that he doesn't like.Yeah, except having unlimited tries to do something doesn't actually guarantee success, it just means you can keep butting your head against a wall for as long as you like.Even if Flowey has the ability to explore as many different outcomes as he likes, if none of those outcomes actually lead him to where he wants to be, he's shit outta luck. That's why he can't win in UTY, the starting conditions simply aren't arranged in such a way for him to get what he wants, and after enough attempts, he's willing to try and wait things out and see if he can get what he wants later.
>>720682138>PlayerLegends of Localization headcanon. The determination is from Frisk only. She is the one filled with determination.
Cool discussion but we all know what carries Yellow threads.The bird
>>720682219that's still a gay fanfiction characterunlike my headcanon genoslide waifu who should take up 99% of every thread
>>720682378Forgot to take the name. Oops.
>>720682385she's what ruined yellow threads in the first place though
>>720682378Flowey literally makes an explicit distinction between Frisk and the player, play the game before talking about it.
Yellows endings bother me. Like either fate can't be changed or it can, pick a lane. You should especially not make the one ending where fate is change the genocide route. "The only way to break fate is through blood" as a theme could be interesting, just not in an undertale fan game cause it comes off like you missed the entire point.
>>720673460As much as I like Supermarket, Cerobert and Starsky, I have a mission to marry off Alphys to Asgore and then marry Undyne myself.
not once in these last 10 years has a chara fan ever made a single good post
>>720682403I like Chara (even though I prefer Frisk) and I love fanfiction. Heck, Toby is pro-fanfiction. Fanfiction caries this series. Nothing wrong with yellow at all.
>>720682592>marry off Alphys to AsgoreThere is no way that would end well for anyone.Literally, anyone, the collateral damage would be catastrophic.
>>720682385you have no power here birdbrain
Oh shit, is that what this is? I've heard tell of the charafagging from people in the /vrpg/, but I've never actually run into it until now.
>>720680556You're treating that as though its a foregone conclusion but nothing in the game says that. Its just as possible that the monsters didn't die when Asriel took their souls. After all the soul of a monsters disappears when they die, so maybe he has to use his immense power to keep them alive while taking their soul, and then keep them alive so the souls don't disappear.Sure it could be what you say, but it could also be that.
>>720673460Martlet, easy. Or Starlo,
>>720682568He's talking to Chara here, but I didn't even say the player wasn't canon.
>>720682656Shut up, they're perfect for each other. The only better option for Asgore is Roba herself.
>>720679935Someone hide Sadie
>>720682728I think it's just one guy dumping Chara images and one guy that absolutely hates Chara. Just discuss Yellow and ignore it.
>>720682791>He's talking to Chara hereWow, way to completely miss the point of the entire back half of the pacifist run pal.
>>720682691she has the power of being lovely
>>720682590This. Why make the route where you obliterate everyone in your path the one were you have the power to overcome fate.
>>720680116>. I have a feeling that determination is the power to reach "an ending"I really this interpretation. Especially when its added to the idea that the player always has exactly as much determination as he needs to reach the ending.
>>720682897I mean, that's what is objectively true. He is referring to Chara there by name, even.
>>720682956Because overcoming fate isn't the point of UTY, the point of UTY is seeing the journey the previous fallen human went through that made breaking the barrier in UT possible.
roba doing yoga
>>720673460Both looks super gay. But the bottom has better pixel art, so them I guess.
>>720681018If you shot someone in the eye, they would die.
>>720682065Too much "ifs" in my opinion to even come close to canon. It's a cool headcanon, though.
>>720683014No, he's referring to the name you picked, not the fallen human he knew when he was Asriel. Hell, "Chara" isn't even that human's actual name, that name is just a joke about the file names for the human's sprites in the game files.Flowey refers to the player by the name they chose in the "name the fallen human" screen because it's the only thing he has to go off of, but the game makes it pretty clear that he knows "Chara"'s already long gone.
>>720681693>but man there are a lot of these guys, so I'm kinda worried they'll blend together in the player's mind.It all depends on how long your game is, Deltarune already has a ton of characters in the "main" cast, but nobody minds it since the game is longer than UTSpeaking of fangames I just noticed my fangame Undertale Naranja also has a lot of important characters too, 9 to be exact, but only half of them are chapter/disk/act bosses, my main concern with the cast is that I feel like I have unintentionally recreated some characters from UT and DR, but I think I can figure out how to make them stand out by themselves
>>720683365toby making chara/the player's stand in its own character in the story was a huge mistake, and I really hope he doesn't repeat that mistake in deltarune (people are already coping saying the soul is dess or some shit)
>>720681576So who are you interacting with in the SAVE portion of the Asriel fight if all of the monsters are dead?
>>720678867>no monster have true malice in their hearts (cause UT lore is kinda dumb)You're taking a fairy tale at face value. Monsters are obviously capable of hatred and malice, just like humans are capable of love and compassion.
>>720683365Headcanon. Everytime that name is used is in reference to Chara, not the player. It's name the FALLEN HUMAN, not you.
>>720683494Their souls, the same way you interact with the six humans' souls in Photoshop Flowey's fight. The various cast members are literally referred to as "Lost Souls" when you select them to save them in Asriel's fight, they're their souls.
>>720683017Then why can you overcome fate? If all roads lead to Clovers death that's fine, but you can't then include one where he actually does change fate.Like this isn't hard, just have him loose to Asgore, young Undyne, Gerson, and Sans.. Either fate can be changed or it can't.
>>720682378>he didn't fill his waifu with determinationgay
>>720683871Because the genocide route in UTDR is almost always about breaking the game's story. The genocide route in UTY being the only route where Clover lives makes sense, because that's the route where you aren't supposed to play along with the "intended" path set out for you, including the idea of not being able to change fate.
>>720682590>The only way to break fate is through bloodIsn't that the theme of JoJo part 5?Anyways, the point was to make there be no good outcome for UTY. Call it shitty writing if you want, but that's the answer to your question.
>>720683751What are those physical bodies you're looking at and talking to then?
>>720684006DR doesn't have a genocide route.
>>720683880I mean, I do that too, BUT, I like my waifu being strong and strong-willed as well.
>>720683486He clearly learned from it and cut out the middleman. You can't get more direct than the SOUL being "Me," even if some contrarian schizos will still pretend otherwise.>>720682590>>720682956>>720683871>The will to keep living... The resolve to change fate.>Let's call this power...>"Determination."DETERMINATION is "the power to change FATE" in both Undertale and DeltaruneOur DETERMINATION controls the fate of humans and monsters in Undertale and is the reason ______ brought us to the world of DeltaruneClover is able to change their fate ONLY in the Genocide/Justice route because that's the only route where they develop sufficient DETERMINATION to gain the power to SAVEWhatever you think of UTY's endings, this is one thing they got exactly right
>>720683871I really wish this was canon to Yellow, honestly. And maybe true pacifist is a non-canon ending where he lives and is harder to get. https://youtu.be/_JZE7URQt5I
>>720684265What's that body "Chara" has at the end of the genocide route?Unless you're suggesting Chara got up and full-tilt sprinted to the castle all the way from the ruins, the logical answer is that it's just an apparition.Same story with the lost souls, just apparitions of their essence, albeit a different part of their essence from "Chara"'s.
>>720683394>also has a lot of important characters too, 9 to be exact, but only half of them are chapter/disk/act bossesA few of my ten either don't have fights or are route exclusive fights. Then again, Sans is a geno exclusive fight, and Alphys never gets a fight at all.
>>720673460Top has Papyrus, top wins easily.
>>720684348>He clearly learned from it and cut out the middleman. You can't get more direct than the SOUL being "Me," even if some contrarian schizos will still pretend otherwiseThese types of comments make me wonder how people would react if there WAS another middleman or player-insert character and he doesn't regret Chara at all. Reactions would be funny.
>>720684280The "Weird" route. Not as thorough as UT's genocide route, outside of chapter 2 anyway, but the general theme of the route is the same, doing terrible things and breaking the story because you can, and because you can, you "have" to.
>>720684451Chara IS SOULLESS.
>>720684280The weird route is its geno equivalent.
>>720684265Anon you're explicitly reaching out into Asriel's SOUL and trying to save the other SOULs that he's brought into himself, it's not a physical location with physical (magical) bodies any more than any of the other rainbow bullshit going on in that fightI think this is a stupid argument and there's no meaningful distinction in whether or not Asriel technically killed everyone but that is definitely not part of what's happening there
>>720684578I hope there is a subversion and you need to do the weird route to get the best ending (the weird route itself isnt said ending, just a step to it)would make deltarune the opposite of UT thematically where you HAVE to do everything to reach the end instead of just doing one route and be done
>>720684564There's been exactly zero evidence of this more than halfway through the story and plenty of reason to believe otherwise, so yes people would react strongly to that suddenly getting pulled out of his ass
>>720684348I think that anon was what the thematic reason behind including it was.
>>720684348I completely agree with you from an in-universe perspective. I am just salty from a narrative point of view that the power of vigilante killing is stronger then the power of friendship.
>>720684640I know numbnuts, that's why I said a different part of their essence. A person's being is divided into at least two components in UTDR, the body and the soul. Lacking one, a person can still exist as just the other, albeit in a very limited capacity. We see this with Flowey, who only has the essence of the dust his body turned into, and we see this with the human souls, who are literally just souls.
>>720684006OK but one of the main points of the Undertale is that the only way to free the monsters is by sticking to pacifism. Violence is literally not the solution, the only way out is peace. Genocide is yet another dead end. You cannot miss the point harder than to make it the only way out.
>>720684451I figured Chara was so powerful at that point that he just willed himself back into existence in front of you, after first erasing the whole world except you and him.
>>720684713Toby would literally never do that.
>>720684550this
>>720677639Asgore would never even bother defending himself because he feels wholeheartedly that people hating him is the right response.
>>720684564Disappointment, mostly.
>>720684895yeah and all those people that "figured out" deltarune before 3 and 4 were right weren't they
>>720684656>>720684578Weird isn't just "not genocide" because it doesn't require you to murder absolutely everyone, it's also because it hasn't had any significant impact on the story up to now. And because genocide is ultimately a meta-commentary on players who do things like that simply because it's an option, while weird is shaping up to be a conflict between in-game characters (Kris, Soul) more than it is about the player forcing themselves on the narrative.
>>720684578The Weird Route isn't about you doing it because you can. Its about you doing it because you need to make a real choice that matters, regardless of how horrible that choice may be. Its freedom at any cost.
>>720684760The story has barely focused on anything involving why Kris has the SOUL. Most of Undertale wasn't focused on Chara, either. You need to remember the "true name" Easter Egg wasn't well-know AND that first person narration also existed in Undertale. Even though I don't personally believe Toby will do it.
>>720673460What the fuck is the bottom row? Some kind of cowboy fangame?
>>720684818>You cannot miss the point harder than to make it the only way out.The point of UTY *isn't* for Clover to make it out alive, the point of the story is what they had to give up in order for the happy ending in UT to be possible. You kinda spelled it out yourself. "Violence is literally not the solution" is exactly right, it's a selfish way out that even Clover's having trouble with by the end. It's not peace, it's not a solution, it's just violence for the sake of violence. It's injustice.The alternative, doing things peacefully, is the actual main point of the game, the selfless route where you give up your soul in the name of others.
>>720684895That's why he'll do it.
>>720685084>Some kind of cowboy fangame?if only anon, the cowboy segment is very short
>>720684961Reverse Undertale theory was right on the money.
>>720684849>after first erasing the whole world except you and him.Ah yes, after that thing they explicitly only do after they finished talking to you, of course.
>>720680423Frisk - BoyChara - BoyKris - BoyClover - Boy>no verification required
>>720685125So is it a fangame? I've heard too much about this Undertale Yellow and I have no idea what exactly it is. I always preferred OFF, frankly
Still waiting for Hard Mode
>>720685003It is about you forcing a ship on the characters who don't want it.
>>720685061>Its about you doing it because you need to make a real choice that matters, regardless of how horrible that choice may be. Its freedom at any cost.So in other words, doing it because you can, and because you can, you "have" to. Maybe you'll develop self awareness someday pal, I believe in you.
>>720685247>So is it a fangame?you think tobias would have made a spinoff already when he is taking literally decades to finish deltarune?
>>720678856>One of which got its own containment board and the other is a skeleton>Generals minus a very select few actually remain talking about the game itself instead of sharing the same old porn images and ERP/vg/ was the most retarded thing they could've done in the long run
>>720679773Toriel would wind up starting a second human/monster war, she'd rampage around and come back to find every other monster wiped out in her absence. Monsters can be killed by just hostile intent and she would be creating it on an industrial scale.
>>720685163He erased your player character and save at the end. He already erased most of the world, Frisk was just the last part of it.
>>720685305No, but I've heard so much yapping recently about UT Yellow. Like way more than you hear about any other fan game.No one ever cared about HOME, the OFF fangame. I haven't even played it.
>>720685247>I've heard too much about this Undertale Yellow and I have no idea what exactly it is.Prequel fangame about the justice/yellow soul (the one who fell before Frisk), it has its flaws but its also pretty good if your are looking for more Undertale/Deltarune content
>>720685230The gayest option, desu. Or a furry.
>>720685270>So in other words, doing it because you can, and because you can, you "have" to.Its not because I can. Its because I need to, regardless of whether or not I can. I'm not doing it to see what happens. What happens doesn't matter, all that matters is that something happens.The motivation is the key difference.
>>720685247It's a fangame. It's fully complete, but it's not as good as the originals. Only play it if you REALLY like Undertale.
>>720685230This is obvious to anyone without extremely severe identity issues.
>>720685256Kris obviously has issues with the Soul from before the game begins and still has them even if you're not doing Weird Route. Kris is an established character who has lived in the Underground years before the player shows up, he's not a blank slate like Frisk was.
>>720685390Chara only destroys the world, not Frisk. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to sell her soul.
>>720685494To be fair. OFF really doesn't give you a motivation to want more at the end. If anything it makes you wish you played less so you hadn't killed everybody. Undertale's got that major appeal with its characters and world, so people do want to see more of it and hang around in it.
>>720685494UTY is the only finished full length fangame that isn't an AU/retexture so it stands above the rest by default just by existing
>>720685592I mean, none of the humans are (you). You don't need to share genders.
>>720685256>susellefag still this broken
>>720685635You sell (you)r soul. Not Frisk's. You were just letting Frisk use it.
>>720674717flowey is probably the only one in the top row who isn't depressed and even that is debatable
reminder that ceroba is fat
>>720685539>Its because I need to>all that matters is that something happens.So in other words, doing it because you can, and because you can, you "have" to.
>>720685702No. It's Frisk's soul. She isn't a soulless homunculus, and humans can't have two souls. Also, Chara controls her body once she has ownership of it.
>>720685318/vg/ was the prototype for /trash/, in the very long run, it is where mods threw every subcommunity they didn't want to have a presence on /v/ itself (if your game is big enough, like final fantasy 14 or the sonic series, then announcing bloody rebellion against the mods is typically plenty for them to back down; even pizza tower managed to resist a forced /vg/ move for long enough to fizzle out naturally with the completion of a gijinka mod for the game's collectibles)for reference on homestuck general the mods are so completely and thoroughly raped by that general that they stamp it out whenever possible no matter the board and no matter how infrequently that board is actually moderated, even /trash/ has homestuck threads deleted on-sight and that board receives almost no moderation at any time unless it's a US law violation global-report
>>720685648Yeah that's how I felt.I love OFF to bits, it's one of my all time favorite games, but its story is complete.Undertale, well I guess I'm not personally dying to see more of it; hence why I've never cared about Deltarune enough to play it, but there is a world there which you can see more of.
>>720685763Flowey hates his existence and is wholly incapable of killing himself
>>720684447Make true pacifist be Clover living at the end and then Flowey berates you about how it's "a nice notion but we both know this isn't how the story ends."
>>720685256>kris cactus theory>noelle wanting a ring from KrisOh, they want it. Just not in the way you are doing it.
>>720685494It's because Undertale fans are autistic and this game has furry OCs.
>>720685808actually the homestuck general is back due to the new cartoon announcement
>>720685230TrueTrueTrueTrueYou got four correct in a row, that's rockin'.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UNMgENyMUo&list=RD1UNMgENyMUo&start_radio=1
>>720685915thank god, i am eager for the mods to get bent over a counter again by organic shitposting that refuses mod intervention
>>720685890Undertale appeals to autists and gays.Deltarune doubles down even more, which is why I've never been particularly interested in it.Undertale still had some of the Yumme Nikki/OFF vibe of being weird, atmospheric, and not entirely friendly. Deltarune seems too 'safe' for a lack of a better word.
>>720685592Hate to break it to you but the people without identity issues just project whatever they want and aren't arguing about it online at all
>>720685621What does that have to do with my post?also>Kris>Underground
>>720686057I never really understood myself on why male humans are particular popular on 4chan and mostly here. This the only place where people genuinely argue male Chara. It always gave me insecurity vibes but idk.
>>720685686Nah. Krusie is probably what will happen if they don't all die by the end. Suselle is just a cope Noelle latched onto because Kris isn't willing to date her.
>>720686158>I never really understood myself on why male humans are particular popular on 4chan and mostly here.If you had to guess, what do you think this site's demographic looks like? How many women do you think regularly spend their evenings arguing on /v/?
>>720685763Papyrus and Undyne are doing pretty well all things considered. Mettaton was depressed, but now he's living his best life.
>>720685784You're trying to force a square peg into a round hole.
>>720686268I mean, there are plenty of men that waifufag the humans (like me). I just assume 4chan is filled with gay men and furries.
>>720686089It's not "you" forcing anything. It's not genocide. Your agency as the player is only enforcing the wills of characters who already exist and have their own motivations.
>>720686219I really don't care about the shipping wars, but I want Suselle to sink.
>>720685825Its mainly that Undertale is a nice world to be in. I wouldn't mind living in the Underground with Papyrus, Undyne, Asgore, and Napstablook. (provided the monsters weren't all trying to kill me). You couldn't pay me to live in any of the zones in OFF.
>>720686378You're literally saying that you're doing it "because you need to", and that you're doing it because "something happens". Frankly, I'd be surprised if you could even pass the mirror test at this rate.
>>720686454This.
>>720685872They like each other, but aren't willing to act on it. The rape allegory here is basically (you) grabbing them, shoving them together, and forcing them to just fuck already.
>>720686158it's something self inflicted by chara waifufags being usually like this over the last 10 yearshttps://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/text/1488.%20%20%20Chara%20did%20nothing%20wrong./here's a random charafaggot example
>>720686454i think suselle is gonna end up being the crux of their interactions with eachother, insofar as noelle is NOT subtle at all about wanting in susie's panties to any character BUT susie where she has some restraint, and she's still making a lot of moves against her that just go completely over susie's head (and/or susie is deliberately ignoring them, susie is awkward but not necessarily socially incompetent, small talk is within her capabilities)noelle is either going to crash out about susie having no interest in her but as a friend or she's going to get outright rejected i think, even worse if some attraction to kris is implied or stated on both girls' ends
>>720674281>they passed school without google>implying roba passed school
>>720686584So it's just 4chan related mental illness, then. I think people being influenced by mentally ill schizos is cringe desu
>>720686018Deltarune takes a lot of influence from Yumme Nikki and OFF. The central conflict of the game is heavily inspired by OFF, there's a smiling cat character which may or may not be a reference to the Judge, there's that 1225 room, which is very Yumme Nikki, Gaster is Uboa, and it has all of its own original weird stuff like deer rape or the Mantle games.
>>720686693I've seen some pretty stupid people make it through school.
>>720686708nah, you charaniggers did this to yourselvesit doesn't help that chara is barely a character in the first place so most of the shit you people attribute to the character is completely made up and not in the game in any way
>>720686584...but it's the retarded chara waifufags arguing that chara is female on /v/, though
>>720686410Just because someone has some dark desire in the back of their mind doesn't mean they actually want to act on it. I get intrusive thoughts all the time, but I damn sure don't want to jam my finger in a light socket, kick the wall a dozen times, smash every glass bottle I see, and punch every brick wall I walk past.
>>720686892i was explaining one of the reasons people will say chara is male, it's something that chara waifufags here inflicted upon themselves over the last decade
>>720686891Are you the anon that was seething over Chara during the thread? I think you need to take a break of 4chan or something. I think the mentally ill schizos might be affecting you. It reminds me of people that hate Undertale because we have a bad fandom.
>>720686791What degree did roba earn in college?
>>720687030first of all multiple people can think you're an annoying nigger you knowsecond of all i think you need to take a break from living but we both know you won't do that so i'll keep calling you an annoying nigger
>>720686578Anon, the genocide player wants to do genocide because its there and he wants to know what happens. He can't just leave that whole route of the game unplayed.I do the weird route because I want freedom. I wanted freedom before I was presented any chance at all. And I would still want it even if I was never offered a chance. I just saw my chance and took it.Genocide is because there's this thing dangling there, tempting the player. The weird route is the player lacking something that he desperately needs, then going out of his way to seek it out and find it.
>>720686892Honestly I don't understand why Chara attracts so many mentally illness in both haters and fans alike. I am glad I am a Friskfag, we are mostly ignored.
>>720686693>>720686791Roba dropped out so she could marry Chujin
>>720686932Which is a meaningless argument to make because, again, the established characters are Kris (Normal Route) and Soul (Weird Route). You can't get Kris to do anything bizarre of any lasting impact, you can only get Soul to interfere.
>>720687123?I was just saying you might have an irrational hatred for a fictional character because of mentally ill anons, but you shouldn't let them influence you to not be like the people that don't play Undertale/Deltarune because of bad fandom. Chill, man.
I feel the need to shill this channel>https://www.youtube.com/@sockmuppet568Although the theories he talks about seem insane, they do make a lot of sense.
>>720687241Well I got Kris to make Noelle murder Berdly, then got Kris and Noelle to rape each other. That seems pretty significant to me. Even if you want to count the soul as another degree of separation, at the end of the day, I still caused this change in the narrative.
>>720687312>Although the theories he talks about seem insane, they do make a lot of sense.Isn't that how Jevil and Spamton are described by the other characters?
Announcer:"Kris!"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCRFIeU8C-w&list=RDkCRFIeU8C-w&start_radio=1
>>720687312Hack theorist that regurgitates old 2016 theories for newage fans.
>>720687294most of undertale's bad fandom doesn't post here, they hang out on sites i avoid or containment zones like /vg/, so they don't affect meobnoxious charaniggers (and human waifufags in general) have been shitting up UT/DR threads for 10 years across multiple imageboards so of course that will annoy me and make me think that these non-characters are fucking dogshit, because not only are they non-characters but they attract secondaries who are legitimately obnoxious as fuck, a lot of them don't even like the games in the first place either
>>720687312peak kino but I'll never understand why he uses an anthropomorphic sperm as an avatar
>>720687596You seem to have anger issues. Sadly, we can't control who posts things we like or not, but we can control how much that affects us. Personally, I wouldn't let 30+ schizophrenic year olds affect me over a decade.
>>720673460As much as I love the original cast, I would have to choose Yellow PURELY for Martlet. Pure wife material.
>>720673862>most of the bottom row have auraenglish zoom zoom
>>720686018I agree. Undertale had this feel where you fell into this hostile everioment and had to escape, while Deltarune is an adventure with friends.
>>720687691and it sounds to me like you're trying to defend yourself while pretending to be a third party so how about you simply stop being an annoying nigger instead?
Just found this on youtube. Looks neat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WrOl-hrr6M
>>720686510OFF's world is deliberately designed to be unlivable. The only food is raw meat and sugar, the 'air' is just smoke and the water is just liquid plastic.I feel those are indicative to a thematic element about environmental degradation.
>>720687826they have skibidi rizz
>>720687979I will say this in no way to offend, but you speak like a rape victim of those charafags. I genuinely think you shouldn't let them have this much power over you.
>>720686778There's a difference between being inspired by something, or even referencing something, and being similar to something.While Deltarune still pays plenty of homage to OFF or Yume Nikki, it's very disimilar when it comes to tone and atmosphere. Which were the core components of both of those earlier games.Deltarune is very friendly, you play as these very defined characters who have their own friendships, you're never really alone.It's a lot more like Earthbound in that sense. An enormous, inseparable part of OFF and Yume Nikki is that feeling of isolation.
look dude im going to take a shit in your lawn every day from now on and if you say or do anything about it that means i raped you okay?
>>720688362>Treating 4chan as your homeKinda cringe. It's not that serious.
>>720686892Chara does sound much more like a woman's name.Kris also sounds like more of a boys name, but the spelling makes it more vague.>>720687183>Why does /v/ like the concept of a genocidal ghost loligee, idk Anon.
>>720688134I thought of it as being more to do with dream logic. People walk on metal, drink plastic, eat raw meat and sugar, and think nothing of it. Its clear those things, as horrid as they, are the proper way in that world. That's how things are supposed to be there, and how they've always been. To me, its meant to establish that this world has its own rules, and it doesn't matter what does or doesn't make sense to you, because this world works in its own alien way.
>>720688435famous first words
>>720688304I agree it takes more influence from Earthbound than it does from Yumme Nikki and OFF, but I don't think that ratio is any different in Undertale than it is in Deltarune.
>>720687410Oh yeah, while Deltarune wants to give the feeling that your choices don't matter, they totally do.>got Kris and Noelle to rape eachotherthat's really in the game? I'm new to Deltarune, and frankly that's the most interesting thing I've heard about the game so far.
>>720673460which one has that purple spider girl i'd like to fuck
>>720688443But /v/ seems to HATE loli Chara based on this thread, though.
>>720687727yeah, I dont know what it is but she fucking latched on to my very fucking soul like no character before
>>720688435oh so you're a literal tourist newfag, i seenow return straight to leddit, i don't care if you have things you want to post that are too spicy to post there that would get you banned or make you lose all of your gay leddit gold, you need to kill yourself then go back in that order
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>>720688570You don't know about the weird route?
>>720688542Undetale shows a lot more similarities to OFF at its core.I mean the theme of Undertale, every thematic element, is tied into the concept of player culpability and choice particularly within an RPG. Even most narrative elements of the game play into that.And that theme is also a very significant theme within OFF. Albeit only one of several core themes in that game.Deltarune's core theme about player choice, and therefore people's freedom or lackthereof in real life, is not featured within OFF.Combine that with the tonal changes, and Undetale is much more OFF-like than Deltarune.Which makes sense since Deltarune, I believe, was thought up a bit before OFF hit the Tumblr mainstream.
>>720679941>Oh cool, I love chainmail bikinis>Oh no, that's a penisI'm not sure why I expected anything different.
>>720688453>and how they've always been.Not necessarily, remember there is that book in the Zone 2 library which reads 'I have run out of oxygen' and the flashbacks in The Room show a world more realistically covered before the guardians (and probably even the queen) took control.So it seems, if you take OFF's world literally and not as an analogy, that the world used to be normal, but got transformed into the grotesque state it is at game start over time.
